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Pitifulheartles

  • I live in United States
  • I was born on January 10
  • My occupation is Software Engineer
  • I am Male

Rename

Yeah, as people said, only admins can rename pages. You need a more solid proof to show why the page needs to be renamed. Energy X 21:42, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

Dude stop changing it. There's no proof that's the name it's been given. We don't accept renames based only on personal views. --MasterMarik (talkcontribs) 00:10, December 18, 2018 (UTC)
Guess I win. 16:10, December 19, 2018 (UTC)

Reply

Well, the new rule says you need to be active for a year. It sounds a bit too strict, but either way, you definitively need to spend some more tie here. Energy X 16:14, January 4, 2019 (UTC)

  1. I am the one responsible for writing those; just got a message from Energy X regarding this. While I understand you want pages renamed, you can start participating in it by using the {{Rename|New name}} template, and after discussion (if any), the mod will do it for you.
  2. And ADMIN cannot help you in getting CONTENT MOD, ony BUREAUCRAT can. To check the list of users, use Special:Listusers, and you can filter them by right with the tick box above the table.

0123456789 The Great 17:08, January 4, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, don't really know the "rules" on this wiki yet but I understand the 1 year thing. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 17:42, January 4, 2019 (UTC)
They are not "rules", just a "general requirement". They are always open for discussion, and anyone can always request the right. The requirement only serves as a factor that ensure more likeliness of success. 0123456789 The Great 17:53, January 4, 2019 (UTC)
Just some of these translations are just painful. アルマドゥーク is not Almarduk... And while I understand イドリース is Idlee to some since Iblee, but that monster is far more suited to be called Idolee after idolum just due to what she's become. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 18:20, January 4, 2019 (UTC)
If there are stuff on a certain page that should be fixed, you can always use the Talk Page of that page. 0123456789 The Great 02:50, January 6, 2019 (UTC)
EDIT: Typo and timestamp fix

RE: Your 'Pedia CC rebuttal

SALUTATIONS, Pitifulheartles!! We haven't met yet but you can just call me Ryan instead of my username if you'd like.  :)

I initially would of voiced my concerns regarding his Yugipedia post on Igor's page but I figure to put this here instead if that's okay because where I come from (Philadelphia, PA/Philly), we're proud to directly speak our minds about anything and defend out fellow Philadelphian if necessary, ("no one likes us, we don't care" after all!) >:}

About UltimateKuriboh's "laying down of the law" about Creative Commons (CC) 4.0, believe me, I sincerely wished what you said about keeping up with some of their content was true. I don't speak for anyone but Igor and I never meant any malice when we cited Yugipedia for some of our edits. In fact, au contraire--I would hope that we would all want Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia to stay up-to-date with all the YGO content coming out (namely the International content here, such as this) which I've recently tried to fill some of this void due to a creative lull I've had these past few weeks here. Both CCs were TL|DR all of it for me but unfortunately, per this page showing what's new in 4.0, the section "Enabling more anonymity, when desired" is what stood out to me the most, was the most layman's terms I read and what I think UK meant:

Version 3.0 included a provision allowing a licensor to request that a licensee remove the attribution from an adaptation, if she did not want her name associated with it. Version 4.0 expands that provision to apply not only to adaptations but also to verbatim reproductions of a work. Licenses now account specifically for situations where licensors wish to disassociate themselves from uses of their works they object to, even if their work hasn’t been modified or published in a collection with other works.

So if I am interpreting this correctly, any such "licensor" (in this case, being the Yugipedia site itself) has near Disney-level control on not just their content but probable replications of it, whether we copy it or we add/upload ours from scratch, yet may resemble any of theirs. Clearly when it comes to this though, it's a catch-22 double standard. Content like say, card Trivia/Tips or descriptions/images of anime episodes, manga chapters, characters and settings are one thing (because they can be ambiguously worded out in a multitude of ways and multiple instances of such images exist in different forms) but content like say character Deck lists, card images, booster pack pictures, Structure/Starter Deck images, promotional posters, game mats, toys, instrumental compositions, book/manuscript covers and maybe even video game screen captures are much more rigid in terms of information and graphic examples of such. Given what I was doing to keep up with them because we account for all International Yu-Gi-Oh! aspects (not just Japanese/English,) consider this: If we're forced to either settle for say, lesser quality images than what 'Pedia has (e.g. the cards I found for this page compared to what astounding images 'Pedia folk have found,) or simply not acknowledge YGO items or updated/changed information not on here yet because 'Pedia folk beat us to it, then we'll always be playing second fiddle to them because of how so much more well-rounded they've been doing stuff and that should NOT be the case with us, for this is where it all started!

This being the Internet, I thought having TWO FREE COMPREHENSIVE Yu-Gi-Oh! information bastions would be better than one because we're all passionate and geeky devotees (to some degree) of this amazing overall franchise @ the end of the day. But I got incensed not only from this notion that this pretty much became a competition but how UK attempted to heel turn Igor over to them. One offer was more than enough and what Energy X said is all the truth there is to this--it's Igor's choice, NOT UK's where he chooses to continue his immaculate contributions to!

Personally, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. As FANDOM users, we can contribute to other FANDOM Wikias that we love under one account. Moreover, I'd never go to Yugipedia because I know I'm persona non grata there and most importantly, I felt I've done SO much more here in the past months that what I did here the 21/2 years here when I was formerly ArcadiasScholarly (back when a couple things in my life were prominently tougher than now.) There's no way in the bluest of hells that I'm gonna throw this second chance I have here out but there must be a way to easily keep up with some of the contents (including relics like this) that the much more experienced guard there are seamlessly uprooting (though these were MY proudest finds, of which some I used to read. What do you think of all this, how I feel and what we should best do? Thanks, be well and take it easy!  :))--May FORZA be with you, your loved ones and friends!! (talkcontribs) 19:35, March 21, 2019 (UTC)

So, what does all this specifically mean for us? Do we have to change our method of working? Or do we continue as what we were doing?
Sorry, i am not so good with these sort of stuffs.--Supratim1986 (talkcontribs) 19:56, March 21, 2019 (UTC)

SALUTATIONS, Supratim1986!! Nice ta meet ya too--As I said to this user, you can call me Ryan (my real first name) too if you'd like. No need to apologize about expertise I ain't no genius either. In fact, thank you for in-part, your voluminous "keeping up" with the anime and OCG/TCG!  :D
I'm in no position to dictate what we should all do and do not (and even if I was or more than a commoner user, I don't have such a bone in my body for that sort of thing) but to me, this is so pot meet kettle. UK doesn't want 'Pedia's content replicated yet not only did the whole of the old guard START here (hope they all remember where it all began) but are they all trying to foster competition for views by implying Yugipedia is better than us (mostly) because of a couple "kinks" FANDOM has? Personally I'm not bothered by a few pop-ups and I don't make edits on mobile devices but trying to Benedict Arnold one of this Wikia's most conscientious users in Igor several times went too far in my book and I felt I had to speak up! Let anyone who wants to stay here stay and more importantly, let's welcome any new good intentioned users here that wants ta help out!
To answer your main concern though, what say we append Energy X to the convo; I'd love to know what he best thinks we should do. But there's no way we should ever "lower" our doings here because YugDisneyPedia wants to 1-UP where it all began (i.e. if you look @ the above links I put to the Italian prints of the Structure Deck: Wave of Light on both sites, Yugipedia's finds look brand new and zoomed in whereas some of my finds either aren't forward facing or if they are, look like they've been collecting dusty bunnies for two hours. I had to re-upload some of them namely due to undercropping and sometimes finding better ones but it's been cumbersome for second-class images and 'Pedia's ITs for this set far eclipse my finds!)--May FORZA be with you, your loved ones and friends!! (talkcontribs) 01:24, March 22, 2019 (UTC)

Read. Please

Please at least read before you do this kind of edit.Whatever1234567 (talkcontribs) 08:42, April 3, 2019 (UTC)

A quick search in the database and you can easily see there's been no use of the word "god" (and I mean "god", not "goddess") apart from the text of "Divine Dragon Ragnarok": names and card text. There's never been any problems with "goddess" because it is not considered particularly religious.Whatever1234567 (talkcontribs) 08:47, April 3, 2019 (UTC)

The Japanese name was shortened for a reason. It doesn't have to make sense in English

If the original name was intended to be "Natural", it would have been spelt "Natural". It doesn't have to make sense to you. Please don't touch anything unless you remotely know what you're doing.Whatever1234567 (talkcontribs) 08:25, April 6, 2019 (UTC)

Nachuru in JP is Natural. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 23:32, April 6, 2019 (UTC)
Oh, boy. You almost made me spit my coffee. Please stop embarrassing yourself. Nobody with "more knowledge of JP than you hope to ever know" would say "Nachuru is Japanese for natural" with a straight face. You do know that you can Google right? If you do, you know that "Nachuru" is something Konami MADE UP for Yu-Gi-Oh! alone ([1]), and it's NOT a real word ([2]), much less is it "Japanese for natural". At least get the admin discussing what should be a good translation. I'm open for discussion. Otherwise, I would not accept silly edits from someone clearly too overconfident for their ability.Whatever1234567 (talkcontribs) 06:27, April 7, 2019 (UTC)
Do join the talk at [3]. Hope we can work it out.Whatever1234567 (talkcontribs) 06:32, April 7, 2019 (UTC)

Reverting

If you have some fuss about the user, then try talking to them. All this edit war only worsens things. Energy X 15:15, April 7, 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what this person's deal is, but so far the best they offer is the claim that they have "more knowledge of Japanese", something that their own actions have proven not to be the case (unthoughtful edit, lack of evidence, overconfidence, refusal to cooperate). I know that fandom wikis have pretty loose standards, but this is too loose.Whatever1234567 (talkcontribs) 15:32, April 7, 2019 (UTC)
Nachuru is literally Natural in JP. Natul is not even a real word. Although not perfect, e instead of a, [[4]]. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 15:46, April 7, 2019 (UTC)
Google Translate is not a reliable source. You should try finding better, official sources to support that fact. Energy X 13:41, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
I'm trying to remember somewhere in the past that I heard Nachuru and saw translation as Natural but I can't pin it down. Possibly something along the lines of "All Natural" spoken in JP. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 15:03, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
I think I could literally facepalm to another dimension when the guy who claims to "have more knowledge of JP than you ever know" literally used Google Translate to prove his point, and end up with "Naturel", a FRENCH word, for what he claims to be "literally Natural in JP". You do realize that you could just click the "improve translation button" and change it, right? And so what what if "Natul is not even a real word", neither is ナチュル, there's literally no legitimate use of it as a Japanese word outside of Yu-Gi-Oh! [5] (almost all instances of ナチュル has something to do with Yu-Gi-Oh!). Seriously, please be self-aware and humble a little bit, you might not be as "knowledgeable" as you think.Whatever1234567 (talkcontribs) 05:43, May 11, 2019 (UTC)

Lightning vs. Varis

You don't get to unilaterally decide something like this, so unless an admin gives an official ruling on the decision, then I will go by the rules and that is to say, a duelist whose LP was depleted loses and the one who still has LP at the end of it won. (Hallowed Ground the Man (talkcontribs) 17:43, April 18, 2019 (UTC))

I'm not the only one that says it's a DRAW. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 17:46, April 18, 2019 (UTC)
Then who else did? Do you have links to any relevant discussion, because as far as I'm concerned, no one actually discussed this and came to a consensus. Unless an admin decides the matter or we all sit down and discuss this properly, then all that is happening is nonconstructive edit warring. BTW, Bohman absorbing Lightning doesn't mean anything where who won or lost is concerned, since for all we know, he could easily have absorbed Lightning anyway. (Hallowed Ground the Man (talkcontribs) 17:57, April 18, 2019 (UTC))
User:Energy X. He's the one who added the hidden comment next to the DRAW status.Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 17:58, April 18, 2019 (UTC)
I've locked the pages down, so nobody else but me (actually, only those with admin rights) can edit the page. Energy X 17:59, April 18, 2019 (UTC)
That's fine. I think the matter is of course, who won and who lost. By the rules of the game, Lightning would be seen as the winner since he still has LP. Varis lost all of his LP, so he lost. I don't think the idea of "cheating" factors into the duel record, since we have had past cases of cheating and there's still a clear winner or loser where the record is concerned. The Yugipedia wiki says Lightning won the duel and Varis lost, but I don't know how much weight this wiki will put on that opinion. I don't think Bohman absorbing Lightning is a reliable indicator of the outcome either, since for all we know, Bohman could've asorbed Lightning regardless of the outcome or even outside a duel. Lightning seemed like he was about to die anyway and Bohman absorbed him to save him. (Hallowed Ground the Man (talkcontribs) 18:03, April 18, 2019 (UTC))
I'll further add that the duel record for Yusei's first duel against Kalin states that it ended with "No result" and so did the one for Yuma's first duel with Kaito. Based on similar circumstances around those duels, do we then go back and say Yusei and Yuma lost their duels and their respective opponents won then? I feel that if you are going to alter the result for this duel, it sets a slippery precedent where personal opinion overrides what actually happened at the end of said duels. (Hallowed Ground the Man (talkcontribs) 18:10, April 18, 2019 (UTC))
Technically those would be reverse if this was like the real world, as Kite forfeited making Yuma the winner in the end. The circumstances surrounding Lightning vs Varis are completely different. As it seems the loser of the duel is absorbed by the opponent/Bohman, Bohman absorbing Lightning in the end is a clear example of how both lost. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 18:18, April 18, 2019 (UTC)
I wouldn't say Bohman absorbing anyone is indicative of the result, personally. As far as I'm concerned, it wasn't outright definitely stated that the loser would be absorbed by Bohman, and even if so, if Lightning won the duel less ambiguously and still got absorbed, then that throws the whole thing out the window. As far as things seem, Bohman did not clearly say who won or lost but simply absorbed Lightning anyway because he looked like he was about to die anyway. (Hallowed Ground the Man (talkcontribs) 18:29, April 18, 2019 (UTC))

Talk page

Despite the guy's rude behavior, you can't exactly force him to re-add his messages. What makes me more angry is when I proposed a rule three months ago, no person made any comment on it. Energy X 15:40, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Did not see that til now but I agree we should. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 15:45, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Why are you reverting my edits to the Varis and Lightning pages?

My edits were to use direct quotes from their duel's episode, and to rewrite it to be moe neutral as to what the outcome was, because the show had some ambiguity to it. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 00:05, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Please be scrupulous with your edits

Please be scrupulous with your edits. If you're not improving an article in any ways, if you're not adding anything that's not there, just leave it alone, don't make it more confusing with terrible phrasing and don't remove useful bits meant for clarification. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If you think it broke, fix it with more thought, provide evidence. So far all you've done as far as I know only resembles unproductive vandalism.Whatever1234567 (talkcontribs) 16:30, May 13, 2019 (UTC)

About the Pokemon analogy

I've already made it clear with the words "Types" and "Energy types". Those two things are NOT the same in Pokemon. Types include "Dragon" and "Normal", but Energy types do not (there's no such thing as "Normal Energy" or "Dragon Energy"). "Species" have no gameplay value in Pokemon (apart from that each species is a distinct on its own, a different Pokemon), and is akin to individual cards in Yu-Gi-Oh! As for Pokemon "categories", they're only decorative.Whatever1234567 (talkcontribs) 16:22, May 13, 2019 (UTC)

Reply

Well, I'll say only this: if you can't handle a piece of info, then search for official sources to support that fact. Adding Google as source does not count.

Also, we don't include Pokémon info, I've seen a case like that before. Energy X 21:35, May 13, 2019 (UTC)

'Pedia Reply

LOL, not all of us are born into a family named Kaiba (after all, Yu-Gi-Oh! was still a ways off in 1990, the year of my womb emancipation) but we hopefully all have money right? (especially a certain U.S. President, and even a certain King of Rock 'n Roll!) Great to see some of us here can rock a sense of humor; I can every now/then and indeed, we need one on this uber-crazy Mother Earth more than ever!--May FORZA be with you, your loved ones and friends!! (talkcontribs) 22:12, May 15, 2019 (UTC)

Reply

Try asking this guy, he may know more about that. Energy X 20:13, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Edit

It wasn't quite fair that you removed the notice on the Bakura article without actually verifying it. Energy X 07:34, June 10, 2019 (UTC)

Page

I personally don't see much harm in that. But what is related to that is that some people on Twitter have been commenting on the quality of our articles. While most of what they said was just trash talk, it has some hint of truth in that. All I am saying is to keep some professionalism in mind. Energy X 19:47, June 26, 2019 (UTC)

Status

Remember, it is misleading to write the OCG/TCG statues that relate to a later date, since they don't currently have those statuses. What can be done is to simply hide the data like this. Energy X 21:01, July 15, 2019 (UTC)

Enough of reverting.

So you're now just going to revert my edits after I explained why I made them, without trying to refute my arguments. Since you clearly don't play modern yugioh (or at least not anywhere near competitive standard) I'll take some time out of my day to explain why these are all bad.


Card Tips:The Beginning of the End - This card is only played in Danger! FTK decks that aim to thin the deck as fast as possible to draw a win condition, like World Lock. Adding a card which thickens the deck and has no other use, like Acquisitiveness, is bad on at least 3 counts: 1. It's a useless brick before you draw Beginning, and you need to be able to cycle through your monsters to set up Beginning. One brick like this can cost you the FTK and the game. Just in general, even outside the FTK decks that use this, never ever run cards that only work in one situation where your deck is already working. This is referred to as a "win-more" card. 2. You're adding 2 net cards back into your deck. This makes it harder to draw your win condition, and whatever gain you make by "recycling" those cards is greatly offset by this. You then have to account for the fact that most monsters have HOPT effects and therefore recycling them is pointless in an FTK deck. Again outside an FTK deck, you're still looking to dig towards important cards with this card, so you'll be unhappy if you start drawing cards you've already gotten rid of once rather than why you actually want to draw. 3. Beginning doesn't force you to banish all the monsters in your GY so you just don't banish any you need. Reviving them later with Monster Reborn and World Legacy Succession is far more efficient than having to search them out again. Cards that are in the GY, or even banished cards, are much better than cards in the deck. Hence why no-one has played Acquisitiveness basically ever, outside of a few dumb Exodia FTKs that need it.


Card Tips:Wall of Revealing Light - Stall cards in general are garbage in modern yugioh. No-one plays this card with the intention to stall. The only use this card has (and why it's Limited) is to rapidly decrease your LP and hence setup cards like Life Equalizer. With this in mind, there's three big issues with the card you recommend. 1. Regaining LP defeats the whole point of playing this card in the first place. This is pretty logical if you actually understand why this card is being played. 2. In general, cards that gain you LP and nothing else are garbage. No-one plays Dian Keto the Cure Master. No-one plays Mystic Wok. No-one plays Life Absorbing Machine. No-one plays Solemn Wishes All these cards are garbage. 3. Playing a card which gains you LP under one exact situation when you draw a card that's Limited and is totally useless every other time.... If you can't see what's wrong here, please ask someone to teach you basic deckbuilding.


Paleozoic - The two cards are both bad, and one shouldn't be included on the list. Here's why. PSY-Framegear Gamma - This card is a Staple, and hence doesn't belong on the recommended card list. But it also doesn't fit the strategy of Paleozoic Frogs. (I'm ignoring other Paleozic variants, because literally none of them have seen any competitive play, aside form the Frog variant which is really good.) Frogs want to go first and set a bunch of Traps. Gamma is played in decks that go second to stop combos and allow plays to go through. See an issue? Cardcar D - This card... is utter garbage. Taking up your Normal Summon to do something that isn't make Toadally Awesome is terrible. Especially when you have Card of Demise, Pot of Extravagence, Pot of Desires and Pot of Duality to choose from, each of which could be justified in a Paleo Frog deck. So the deck has loads of draw power already. It doesn't need an extra brick that doesn't let you use the cards you draw and eats the Normal Summon. Don't believe me? http://www.yugiohtopdecks.com/most_used_cards_in_deck/Paleozoic. Just try and find Cardcar D on there. Can't? Well there you go then.


In conclusion, please learn about modern yugioh before "correcting" me again. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 13:08, September 20, 2019 (UTC)

Mind to discuss such issues on talk pages, rather then reverting each other's edits. It's why those pages are locked for a while. Energy X 17:28, September 20, 2019 (UTC)
Unfortunately there's nothing to really discuss as those tips should remain. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 17:30, September 20, 2019 (UTC)
I'm a strong believer of a "discuss until one side is out of reason" principle: That means, the only way to end discusiion, is for one side to ultimately run out of reason, if neither side will agree or "meet at half way".
What I'm trying to establish here is that you discuss it till the bitter end. Do not cut discussion. 0123456789 The GreatだいなるNumbersナンバーズ」 14:33, September 21, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Energy. That was needed. No sarcasm.
"Based on personal opinion?" I've just presented reasons why those tips are terrible based on these cards and decks long history of competitive play and general deckbuilding common sense. You're the one who's basing his edits on his opinion. And the fact you think you can use Gamma with Paleos on board 1. is hilarious (they're monsters!) 2. assumes those Paleos wouldn't have been used for an Xyz Summon (showing how little you understand Paleos) 3. Assumes that anyone in their right mind would play a card made for going second, in a deck made for going first (XD so dumb). Your other stuff is about as smart. Now refute my points, or I'll just ask an admin to step in, in my favour since I'm the only one who's attempted to discuss this, and you're edit warring because you disagree (wrongly and stupidly).
My point exactly. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 19:47, September 22, 2019 (UTC)
You're simply stating combos of the main cards in question. But you have not explained a decent reason as to why the tips with other cards should be removed. Also Cardcar D is quite useful all of your monsters are traps you won't be SSing much on the first turn. Your bias on Cardcar D is a little strong. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 23:23, September 22, 2019 (UTC)
Are you seriously that naïve? Do you not understand? I removed those tips because they're terrible and should never ever be tried, as doing so would cause your deck to be terrible, for the reasons I explained. And as for cardcar D.... HAHAHAHA. This honestly hilarious, you don't have a clue how to play Paleos, clearly. Two cards. Swap Frog. Card of Demise. Both do Cardcar D's job 100 times better. Hence why they are in every single Paleo Frog deck, and there are no non-Frog Paleo decks. Swap Frog is a far better Normal Summon than Cardcar D, and even gives you the potential to make Toadally Awesome on the first turn (BTW, because you don't understand Paleos, I'll just point out that making Toad is one of the key goals of a Paleo Frog deck). And Card of Demise draws 3 cards instead of 2 and lets you Set those cards for immediate use rather than having to wait a turn to Set them. Not mention, Swap Frog and Card of Demise work together, while Cardcar D works with neither of them. In short, go away and learn yugioh before reverting my edits, you just so clearly don't know what you're talking about, it's utterly hilarious. And it's not "my bais". It's entirely based off competitive data which PROVES that Cardcar D is bad, because no-one has ever topped with it. I'll ask an admin to step in, because you clearly don't have a clue. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 11:33, September 24, 2019 (UTC)
The existence of the tips pages is to make a card that is bad even slightly better. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 11:55, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

1. Those cards are NOT bad. Beginning of the End is very competitive in Danger! FTK, Wall of Revealing Light is Limited with very good reason and Paleo Frogs are a respected rouge deck that picks up competitive tops to this day. 2. Your "tips" not only fail to make it better, they actually make it worse. 3. The purpose of the Tips page is to help newer players learn what a card does and point out its less obvious uses, as well as to help players new to a deck learn more about the cards in it. Not to mention some dumb "combo" someone who doesn't know what they're doing came up with in their basement because it comes up if you stack your deck with these exact two cards and your opponent doesn't exist. God. If you want to make a bad card better, stop recommending things that make it worse. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 12:04, September 24, 2019 (UTC) Ok, your talk page it is then. "write novels" lol All I'm doing is giving a properly justified argument, which you've failed to do once. And you don't run the best generic draw card allowed in the game? Sure, sure. Once again, you prove your incompetence. Please go away and learn to play yugioh. Can I recommend Dzeef's youtube channel, was great for me. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 12:17, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

Been playing since 2000, and I've come to learn that no card is a bad card and no combo is a truly bad one. They may not have their time to shine all the time, but they can surprise your opponent. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 12:19, September 24, 2019 (UTC)
1. Call BS since Legend of the White Dragon came out in 2002. 2. "No card is a bad card" Cold Feet says otherwise. A card actually designed to be bad. "No card is a bad card" is a myth used by people who aren't good enough at the game and/or can't be bothered to do card evaluation. So they hide behind the anime quotes, since that spares them from having to do work/having how bad they are at the game exposed. I've seen this before too. 3. Just because you've played for a long time (if you have) means nothing. I "properly" started yugioh basically in 2017 and I'm clearly a much better player than you are already. Stop hiding behind the façade that you know what you're talking about, and come and learn to actually play the game. Again, try Dzeef's channel. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 12:40, September 24, 2019 (UTC)
Lol Cold Feet combined with Mystical Refpanel is actually stronger than Cold Wave because it only affects your opponent rather than both players. Find a better example next time. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 12:43, September 24, 2019 (UTC)
Oh shock horror. Playing 2 terrible cards and praying you draw both of them is somehow meant to be good? The fact you think this makes it good and somehow proves me wrong... sums this whole trainwreck you've started up. If your aim today was to prove how utterly incompetent you are, you've succeeded. Calling you a casual player is an insult to casual players everywhere. You're just, in the words of Farfa, "a scrub". People like you being allowed the same say as people who are actually good at the game, with no moderation, are the reason this place is a mess. The whole point of helping is you should know what you're talking about before telling others how to do it, but you don't have a clue about anything short of the basic rules. And unfortunately, there's no way to stop you so all I can do is tell you to learn to play before making any further edits. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 13:25, September 24, 2019 (UTC)
Trap Trick can get you Refpanel. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 13:38, September 24, 2019 (UTC)
1. You assume I don't know this. 2. What a waste of a perfectly good Trap Trick. I'm done arguing with you about this nonsense because it's very obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 13:45, September 24, 2019 (UTC)
Let me intervene once again.
@Theo, you are certainly right about all of the tips, but you did it in a way too offensive and degrading.
@Pit, doesn't mean you are right either. He clearly has the better argument for this case.
This problem is, if I'm to sum it up, it's an argument between casual and pro. You each have different prespective of the game. "Meet at half way". Because if anything, you both are valuable editors for the wiki, and we don't want to lose anyone, anymore. 0123456789 The GreatだいなるNumbersナンバーズ」 14:03, September 24, 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I was getting tired of and fed up with repeating myself. Can I ask though that while less experienced players are certainly welcome to edit the wiki (since that is the point of a wiki, anyone can edit it), when they refuse to listen to what a more experienced player has to say, what can he do? My say is apparently of equal worth since he has made no attempts to engage in counter-argument to my points beyond quoting the anime and saying all cards and combos are good (which is inherently wrong if you even understand that there is a metagame and competitive play). I think that a recommended card list and a tips page both should not have suboptimal play/cards recommended on them for the sake of newer players and vaguely competitive players who are looking for help with a new deck. There's a difference between a card/deck being competitively inviable, and it being just plain badly built/used. As a long-term F.A. fan, I know this too well. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 14:26, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

Edit warring

I understand you want to keep the site in good place. But I have one thing: Please don't unnecessarily start edit war. If you undid something and someone undid your undo, contact admin or the mods to have them intervene.

Now down to how you stand for yourself: You need good and solid logic to back your point up.(To be honest, I don't really have the right to tell you this part, given how I usually try my best to corner-kill the other side.)

You have had too many edit wars. Though, I do not mean to discourage you from editing.

0123456789 The GreatだいなるNumbersナンバーズ」 13:40, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

Eh I don't like filling up the comments on edits with too much. However I will say Pinpoint Landing is good in Fur Hire because the constant drawing and the highly likely chance that they will be SSing from the hand every turn. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 13:48, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Great, he needed to be told that justifying his point is needed, and not just reverting without a reason, which is what he does continuously.

This is the problem. You don't understand the card or the deck, and you just make a surface-level analysis without ever considering alternatives. The main weakness of Fur Hire is their reliance on their Normal Summon, and this card doesn't help fix that. It's just a win-more worse Upstart Goblin. The card is not going to last multiple turns because either 1. you bricked because of it and you don't get to the next turn or 2. Something called "the opponent" exists. And he has cards like Mystical Space Typhoon. Not to mention like I said you can only have 40 cards in a deck so you want to play the best 40 cards you can. A "recommended cards" list should therefore include cards that are at least good enough to be worth testing in a 40 card deck. Ever wonder why no-one who's any good at the game plays Supply Squad? Same reason. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 14:01, September 24, 2019 (UTC)

Talkback from Theo's page

I'm quite inactive here for the horizontal peace, but I found this on Theotherguytm's Talk.

The calm and collective win again.

I would like to say that you are incorrect. You may have won the battle, but it's very bad for the community, and thus, we all lost in the long run.

Don't get into edit conflict like that again if you don't think your reason can win. 0123456789 The GreatだいなるNumbersナンバーズ」 15:55, October 13, 2019 (UTC)

It's more about using the template, the code looks somewhat ugly, and it's not that difficult to substitute it with the actual card name. Moreover, you should ask yourself why people haven't used {{PAGENAME}} before. Energy X 17:21, October 14, 2019 (UTC)


Query regarding Satellite Warrior

Hello, I’d like to ask why my edit to the trivia page of "Satellite Warrior" was removed? I was under the idea that it made sense given the obvious satellite theming and presence of a destruction effect.

FiendishFaust (talkcontribs) 09:56, October 22, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Dragonmaid

SALUTATIONS, PITIFULHEARTLES!

Just got back from a planned hiatus--it's all good man, how've you been!?  :) After seeing that Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid was a shorter anime comedy (an archetype of anime I've never looked @ yet,) I gave the DUB a watch. It's crazy what Yu-Gi-Oh! pulls from for some of their card muses--this show was actually pretty funny. Since the show's creator endorsed the direct "Dragonmaid"'s inspiration, I gave the comparisons a shot. Unfortunately, try as I did with my might, I wish the appearances of the cards in respect to each "dragonmaid" in the said series weren't soo vague due to 1) Incompatible color schemes and "elements" each dragon took after in the show, 2) Not all of the dragon maids from the show actually acting like maids, nor showing overt signs of doing niched "maidy" jobs and 3) one of the dragon maids in the show happening to be male, let alone that the only time his dragon form is shown is within the opening credits!

Self-cajoling is what often pushes me to push for references such as this. Maybe these could be better served as Trivia points for each monster instead in the future but IF I ever try to go for this later, I'll be sure to nitpick my supporting views to evade possible caviling of these comparisons.

Other than that though, thanks for the constructive feedback and as always, give my Talk Page here a holler if anything's up. I'm glad to have these kinda two-way relations here; they didn't last long during my first "scholarly" existence! :)--May FORZA be with you, your loved ones and friends!! (talkcontribs) 04:24, November 1, 2019 (UTC)

Generaid

Well, i did change the name to "Generaider Boss", only to later notice that as per the TCG effects for the cards, the archetype should be named as "Generaider" (11118010). Guess i should have read everything properly before renaming.--Supratim1986 (talkcontribs) 15:26, November 14, 2019 (UTC)

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