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Usually I clean this page deleting conversations after a certain time.If you don't want your message to be deleted,say it in the message itself.--LightswornLord 18:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Note: You're not supposed to delete messages. You're suppose to wait til there is about 30000 characters on your talk page (they can be see on this pages history), then you copy the messages, delete them, and post them in an archive. Dmaster (Talk Contribs Count) 18:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Am I forced to do this?--LightswornLord 19:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

hey whats up i like your lightsworns im trying to build them do you have any tips? Blackwingggys 21:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

well thanks but the expesive thing is what kindof got me there so im just going to stick with blackwings sorry but thanks for the tips Blackwingggys 21:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi uh, just an average duelist who's curious but have you really seen the real Orichalcos card? Since you're an expert on rare cards I'm just takin a guess that you've at least seen it to recognize it. If you even take the time to answer this thanks. --White Dragon Kaiser 01:19, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I saw it once in a picture taken by a friend of mine at an official event in US but I've never seen the actual card.I'm trying to contact this guy so he can send me this picture,but unfortunately there are really few chances he will.--LightswornLord 12:25, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

RE: 5200?

Well, his original ATK is 2600, and you double it ATK points up to 5200. Do the math and you could make it right, 5000 is double of 2500. --FredCat Ta.P.F.P.J.R.W.S.Th.P.S.C. 16:37, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

If this is the edit in question, I'm reading that sentence as saying, "the highest ATK literally printed directly on a card" - that is, the highest Original ATK - and if that is correct, it would be 5000, not 5200. This doesn't change how high a monster's original ATK would have to be to survive a direct attack from Cyber Ogre 2 (without any boosts but its own effect, at least), although technically, a monster with 5202 ATK could do it (while not likely, it could happen, there have been some really unusual original ATK and DEF values for monsters; I chose "5202" instead of "5201" because I can't remember how rounding works in cases like this).
So, all this being said, that specific statement could use some rewriting. Something along the lines of:
While this card is attacking, it is virtually invincible (ignoring other card effects); to survive its attack, a monster would need at least 5202 ATK, while the highest original ATK on any monster is currently 5000.
What do you guys think? ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:20, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
@FredCat100: What's with doubling Cyber Ogre 2's attack? He can go past 5200, but he's going to lose the battle.
@Dinoguy1000: When I wrote that(What I wrote was that the higest printed ATK is 5000, then FredCat, likely misunderstanding Cyber Ogre 2's effect - or my statement - , edited it to 5200), I was meaning the lowest ATK possibly printed: of course a monster with 5202 would survive, but there is no point in writing that because a monster will never have 5202 ATK(I suppose?). I'm editing it back to 5000(since the highest ATK printed on a card is 5000, right FredCat?)--LightswornLord (talkcontribs) 17:53, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
Seemed like you're right, I have not using that monster for quite a while. So only answer can be 5225, a legal number. I doubt that there can be 5202 or 5201 if anyone tried to fixing it correct way. I have no memory of any cards that can increase that such little number like that. --FredCat Ta.P.F.P.J.R.W.S.Th.P.S.C. 21:02, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
A more likely one would be 5210, actually - there aren't any cards with ATK or DEF ending with "5", though there is a manga-only token with 1 ATK, and an anime-only monster with 666 ATK and DEF. And there are card effects which could, in the right circumstances, result in ATK or DEF increases of only 1 or 2 (or of numbers ending in "1" or "2"). ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:58, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
Duh...? And you know you can Limiter Removal them then Shrink to make it have 5 points at end. --FredCat Ta.P.F.P.J.R.W.S.Th.P.S.C. 01:09, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
"Shrink" only manipulates original ATK (the value physically printed on the monster card). ;) And if you Shrink a Limiter Removal'd monster, you may or may not end up with "5" at the end depending on its original ATK (Shrink actually has a ruling specifically for this situation: "If "Shrink" affects a monster whose ATK is doubled by "Limiter Removal", that monster's ATK will become half of its original (printed) ATK." - that is, Shrinking a Limiter Removal'd monster has the same effect as Shrinking a monster without any modifications to its current ATK). On the other hand, if you Limiter Removal a Shrinked monster, it'll have its original ATK again (since Shrink halves it, and then Limiter Removal doubles that).
All that being said, though, I'm sure there are other cards with effects that could allow for even more unusual ATK/DEF values, though I can't recall what any might be. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:59, January 6, 2011 (UTC)


Both of you are right, but did you forget the (card effects apart) part? Of course, if Cyber Ogre 2 would have been invincible in battle including various card effects, it would be more used than it actually is, don't you think?--LightswornLord (talkcontribs) 14:44, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
No, I didn't forget, but I did get caught up in a rather interesting conversation... ;) It would also help Cyber Ogre 2's use if the ATK doubling happened during any battle phase involving it, as opposed to just when it attacks. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:49, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
Well, they wanted to make a monster always Metalmorphed(Metalmorph only activates if the monster is attacking), and they did it.--LightswornLord (talkcontribs) 18:46, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
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