Stick with the Archetype Navboxes - they're easier to do...DarkblazeHunter 2/5/08 12:33 p.m.


It is written in the official website,written in the individual rulings of every card.However,the TCG rulings don't have links or sources,unlike the OCG rulings of this wikia.PoirotH 04:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: errors with the template

I assume you were talking about the problems you mentioned here? I've replied there now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:new code for Cardtemplate

Again, I don't deal with that stuff. Talk to Deltaneos or TwoTailedFox - they seem to do most of the corrections to the Template. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 19:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


what? ... I do not understand what you said --Pipo Destruction 16:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

re: pictures

I changed the images because FortuneLadyFireyANPR-JP-C.jpg is a preview image of the card that will be released in Ancient Prophecy.

--Pipo Destruction 21:00, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: empty parameters

Parser functions should be excluded from substitute templates when possibe. In this case, adding {{subst:Navigation2}} causes {{Navigation||mode=otherGame|Other=}} to appear in the output. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The Duplicate Templates

They're separate for a good reason. I tried to use redirects, too, but the system needs to have them separate to fully parse them. The other Tips, Errata, etc templates, stay as they are, so we can see on the page what needs changing. You could go through the articles, and then change the links over to {{Mavigation}}.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 23:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


Sorry, I'm only after noticing your second message. {{CardTable}} is a project that's on hold. It's basically going to be a better version of {{CardTable2}} if it ever gets finished. One of the most notable differences is that it should be able to split up the sets section, so we can automatically add them as SMW Properties and Values in the factbox. Once it's done, we should be able to automatically generate lists of cards filtering them by sets. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

WC09 Token images

Absolutely. That'd be great. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:47, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's okay. The filename is wrong though. It should be MoonTokenVG-WC09-JP.png Same with other card images from the game, just changing the names and leaving out the spaces. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Idea for Card Rulings

You're suggesting we transclude rulings into the "Mentions in other Rulings" section from their original rulings page. It seems like a good idea, although the coding is kinda messy.

{{#switch: {{{1|}}} 
	| A = If "[[Peten the Dark Clown]]" is [[Tribute]]d for a [[Tribute Summon]], the last thing that happened was that a [[Monster Cards|monster]] was [[Summon]]ed, so the effect of "[[Peten the Dark Clown|Peten]]" does not [[activate]].
	| B = If "[[Peten the Dark Clown]]" is [[Tribute]]d for "[[Mystik Wok]]" or "[[Cannon Soldier]]", the last thing that happened was that those effects [[resolve]]d, so the effect of "[[Peten the Dark Clown|Peten]]" does not [[activate]].
	| C = If "[[Peten the Dark Clown]]" is [[destroy]]ed in a [[chain]] and not as [[Chain Link]] 1, his effect does not [[activate]]. (Example: "[[Pot of Greed]]" is [[activate]]d and "[[Ring of Destruction]]" is [[chain]]ed, [[target]]ing "[[Peten the Dark Clown|Peten]]".)

* {{:Card Rulings:Peten the Dark Clown|A}}
* {{:Card Rulings:Peten the Dark Clown|B}}
* {{:Card Rulings:Peten the Dark Clown|C}}</noinclude>

The above would be another way... although still kinda messy. I'm sure there's a much more efficient way.

I understand the advantages of your suggestion; The rulings would always be the same, which is particularly helpful when changing OCG rulings after an English name has been confirmed. However there are disadvantages... The mentions in other rulings aren't always an exact copy of the original. Unnecessary parts are sometimes cut out and replaced with elipses (...) It would mean effectively turning a vast amount of Card Rulings pages into templates... that doesn't seem advisable. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

RE:idea for Card Rulings

Pardon? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 22:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

thanks ^^

i tried editing the page on counterfairies cause i was i little sad there was so little info on my majorly played deck XP

i only put in dark volt cause the thing wouldn't link the page to normal voltanis ^^;.

hope i helped a little in making the page better.... i should do a more full one, cause half a paragraph was kinda pitiful XP

RE:autoadd navigation to new pages?

I have no idea. Try talking to Deltaneos or TwoTailedFox. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 17:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Then you're out of luck. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 17:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
No. I don't deal with that kind of stuff. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 17:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


The current template fails in comparison to the old one. Many of the names are repeated, many cards are left out as a whole, and the organization is messy. The old one made it obvious which cards were monsters, spells, and traps. It really does look irritating to see one name in the members box, then to see it again in the support box with the spells and traps.

here are the scans

Transcluding MioR and CT2 changes

Sorry, I didn't realise you had left me other messages when you asked me about the autoblock. No, don't change the Mentions in other Rulings. It's too complicated and messy, for something that is otherwise simple. And I've responded to the CardTable2 fixes on its talk page. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Moving pages

After moving a page, please click "what links here" and correct pages the point to the original title or at least make sure to move the other card information pages (Gallery, Rulings etc.) to the new title too. Thank you. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:51, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Iron Knight

  • What is the change you want to make? If it's changing the ATK to 1700, that is an animation error. Danny Lilithborne 09:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Done. Danny Lilithborne 09:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
    • By the way, please stop putting deletion templates on Limited Edition cards. They are not going to be deleted. Danny Lilithborne 09:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Those subpages

I don't think so. TwoTailedFox was really insistant on having them a few months ago, mainly so we could add properties for sets, set numbers and rarities to card articles. Another user and I did try to talk him out of it, as we thought it was overdoing things. I'm not sure if we got a definite "yes, we scrap that project" or not. I did start making another table, that could add such properties, but haven't had much time to finish it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I'm new to this wiki. Could you direct me to the policies on this wiki? I seem to be having trouble finding them. Also, are there any admins on the wiki? Thanks. C.ChiamTalk 09:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes that's what I meant. I didn't realise that there were so few policies on this wiki. How are admins selected btw? Also, could you help me with my signature? The template doesn't seem to be working as it should. C.ChiamTalk 10:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I know that works, but it creates a lot of unnecessary text which is not allowed on the other wikis I edit. It should simply show up as {{Signatures/Calebchiam}} 09:49 Any idea why it doesn't work? Also, how are admins selected? 10:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Excluding entries with the inline function

[[Summoning::!Nomi]] should do it, but Wikia have disabled that trick, for some reason. I think they said it was hard on servers. I don't of any other way of doing it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Er, I'm mistaken. The ! does work. [[Summoning::!Nomi]] will exclude monsters if Nomi is their only value for Summoning. Cards like "Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder", which have multiple entries for Summoning still appear. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

re: card list

the articles are updating into the new format. the old format is to list out the cards, while the new format is to list them under the cardlist page. most english cardlist are already created, so the old english cardlist is deleted. the japanese cardlist are not created yet, so most of the old japan card are not deleted -Lpoi 15:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


  • Yes. {{Card Table}} is already capable of doing so, (to a small degree) without having to create like a hundred parameters for the sets section. Copy the code from Template:Card Table/Test/Monster to a mainspace article and click "preview" to see. It's far from finished though. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Mmm, the UtR isn't showing up because it's not finished.
    • Help with it might be okay... but I get the feeling we'd be getting in each other's way and I don't want to rush into this. CardTable2 was rushed into and it's now a hideous mess.
  • A value to state monsters aren't Nomi or Semi-Nomi seems a bit hackish. It's like how some values default to No Entry or Not Present. I'm not particularly fond of those. But hmmm, it may be the only way.
  • You want something like [[Specific Tuner::{{{tuner}}}]]?


Yes, if you use Special:Ask, it will give you the number of reults to your query. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah I see. Yes that can be done. You use |format=count. For example:
{{#ask: [[Type::Dragon]][[Attribute::FIRE]] |format=count}}
Ps. Why are you leaving the timestamp out of your signature. You know, if you type four tildes (~~~~) it will produce both your name and timestamp? -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


That is no reason.

Adding that link is not against the rules, editing somebody's userpage without his permission is. The Horror'Speak if you dare 15:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: effects

Janime Forums Diehard Guy 10:31, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Page Images

I don't if there is any rules on images on card articles the only reason why I've been changing card images lately is because I find that the DR3 images aren't exactly brilliant so I'm changing them for TLM images as they are generally better. --Trivi-AM 18:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

RE:eu --> na

The reason why I changed them was because of the rarities I live in England and got an Europe version of WC09 and the 3 cards were in Super not Ultra so I divided them up so that a "editing war" won't occur between Users from Europe and other Users from America/Canada etc. --Trivi-AM 19:52, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

New Earthbound

All right. Here. Look at this. It's an episode coming to air.!_5D%27s_-_Episode_063. It's called The Strongest Earthbound God! Wiraquchasca --Narutoheroes12 21:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: ask question again

  • {{#ask: [[{{PAGENAME}}]] |?Ruby Text= }}
  • {{#ask: [[{{#if:{{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|{{PAGENAME}}}}]] |?Ruby Text= }}

Either of the above, help with what you're looking for? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. I was away for the last few days and only noticed your message today.
  • First question. You mean if x is a value, it'll return 1? Maybe something like this?:
{{#if: {{#ask: [[{{PAGENAME}}]][[Letter::x]]}} |1|0}}
  • Second question: Very possible. One of its best features in my opinion.
{{#ask: add query here |?format=template |?template=ic }}
You might also need to add |link=none
In Template:Ic you should then use {{{2}}} wherever you want the values to be used. {{{1}}} will be the pagename of the page that uses it.
The Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's episode listing uses it, if you need to see an example.
  • Third question: You could use:
{{#explode: Cyber End Dragon| |0}}{{#explode: Cyber End Dragon| |1}}{{#explode: Cyber End Dragon| |2}}
The second section is a space, not a blank. You put whatever you're splitting it by in there.
-- Deltaneos (talk) 10:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't know what you mean... -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
You want to use #ask to get a list of values for one property from ne article, then apply the same template to each value individually, correct?
Yes, looking back my answer wouldn't work in this situation.
Hmm SMW doesn't seem to have many options for when there's multiple values for one property. Here's one messy way of getting around it:
{{ic|{{#explode: {{#ask: [[Cyber End Dragon]]|?Medium=}} |,|0}} }}
{{ic|{{#explode: {{#ask: [[Cyber End Dragon]]|?Medium=}} |,|1}} }}
{{ic|{{#explode: {{#ask: [[Cyber End Dragon]]|?Medium=}} |,|2}} }}
-- Deltaneos (talk) 17:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Card Gallery + Artworks

Sure, but can you give me a link to the page? --Trivi-AM 18:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Did you mean something like this? --Trivi-AM 18:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I've tested it out did you want something like this? --Trivi-AM 19:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

hey thx for the fix. Its amazing how evil people can be over a little site huh? --XD Master 22:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


sorry men!!--Modo assalto 19:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Gallery template

Does the gallery template you are using is the latest one? Personally, I think it's uglier than the current template that I'm using to edit --Blackwings0605 05:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The japanese card and the anime card name shouldn't be big --Blackwings0605 05:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops, I thought the japanese text in the template is the big text. Well, it's not the problem at all, I'm getting used with japanese text, but is this the latest template for gallery? If it is, I'll use it for my edit in the future. --Blackwings0605 15:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


Your page is very intresting.--Airbellum 07:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

No,I had no idea about that.PoirotH 07:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes.--Airbellum 01:44, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Too many anons


Some wikis at Wikia can be edited by registered users only, particularly ones that started somewhere else and moved to Wikia (e.g. Lostpedia.) It can be requested off staff. They've done it for a few personal wikis (Yes, people actually make wikis about themself). But since this is a community wiki, they prefer to allow for anonymous editors and consider it to be more welcoming. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


Hi, where are all the fake token cards I made? why have you replaced them again by images of the cartoon?

RE: Semantic ideas

Hi Hanmac, I think both those ideas are very good and would help out a lot. --Trivi-AM 20:26, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

I think this is something you should take to Deltaneos.PoirotH 03:46, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

I've replied on my talk page. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:13, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

yu-gi-oh card creator

Pharonic Guardian List

Why did you undo it? I am still working on it. --LordGeovanni 10:59, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Then why is there 53 cards on that page? On top of that, card PH-31 os linked to PH-32 by mistake, PH-32 onto PH-33, etc. why can I not fix this?

I'm sorry, I did not understand what you mean. --LordGeovanni 11:15, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Gravekeeper's Priestess

I don't think looks like Ishizu that much. However we can use this picture for it's page. Why not take it to someone who can cut out the card and have someone put it in there, maybe you can find someone at the forums. Sorry I can't help, I just edit things and put links where needed. --Azure Knight-Zeo 00:13, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Template talk:Approximate name/category

Right now, I'd say the hidden categories. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:58, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

It's because it doesn't make much sense.PoirotH 19:51, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

I do not get how that is possible, you need to remove 2 Batterymen from the Graveyard to Special Summon Industrial Strength.PoirotH 05:54, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

German Archetype Name

Hello. Can you take a look at this?, the german name for the archetype seems messed up. Thank's in advance.--Hydronic (talkcontribs) 22:58, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

"roid" vs. "Roid"

Hi. I see you've been changing "roid" to "Roid" on the card pages. The archetype name is actually "roid", not "Roid", so it's preferable to have it as "roid" there. And I'd like to ask you to go through your contributions and revert your changes, please. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 16:28, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Point me to a page where it's not working as it should, please.
Regardless, should work with "roid". You see, we're experiencing several problems with SMW. It has been really unstable since the update. The problem goes from there, I'd bet. So, again, "roid" should be used. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 16:42, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
"Necroid Synchro" wasn't appearing in queries, is that what you mean? If that's the case and you were viewing a query in a page containing it (not directly on Special:Ask), it wasn't displaying there mostlikely due to caching matters; you'd need to null edit the page containing the query. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 16:55, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
Even if that problem is with the template, that's where it should be fixed; not changing all "roid" to "Roid". I'll look into it, but I'd bet on glitchy SMW. Take "Speedroid", for instance. It's also broken, but the template looks fine to me. I'll look into it, to see what may be wrong with the lower/upcase thing. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 17:14, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
I think it might be a problem with SMW. For instance, {{Infobox archseries}} uses {{ #var: $pagename }} to check through SMW if there are lists for the members, the support and the anti-support for the acrhetype/series. If there are, show them. Simply, it's like that. The problem here could be that it would be checking through SMW if there are "Roid" members/support/anti-support. If that would be the case, then it wouldn't be displaying it, like you supposed to (hence why you decided to change the instances to "Roid"). However, if you go to Special:Browse/roid, you can see that it's storing the English name, and such, as "roid". Now, the way it stores the English name is through {{ #var: $pagename }} again. Besides, the page "roid" is displaying the list for the members, which uses the exact same "search-to-display" system as the support page. So I'd bet again on glitchy SMW. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 17:44, November 20, 2016 (UTC)
Check this and this. Before the SMW update, the pages were fine. And I can't find anything significant that may also have been changed that would break the pages. I may be wrong, though. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 17:50, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Card Query

The same goes for me. I suggest asking either Dinoguy or Becasita. --XBrain130™ (エックス) ブレーン130」 17:44, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

Should be fixed. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 19:51, May 20, 2017 (UTC)

Move rights for Crystal pages?

I don't have the rights sadly. (Rewas514 10:03, February 23, 2018 (UTC))

Cyber Dragon Link

Aaaaah! You're right hanmac-senpai. Also, I might have some dislexia >_> (ie vs ei lol) What do you recommend? Should either of us delete the whole page for now? SuperChecker (talkcontribs) 23:32, March 27, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Contradict notices and templates Why did you put these back up? Half of them a wrong, among other numerous issues these notices pose. Skulblaka98 (talkcontribs) 11:58, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for fixing the bug with the Yubel Archtype page, I have no idea why having "| name =" screwed up the list. Chimera-gui (talkcontribs) 05:41, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Card Evolution

  1. I did not realize that my edits created those nowiki tags, even if I do know that Visual Editor causes those problems. Thanks if you fixed that without using "UNDO".
    • The reason I used VE is that because I have experienced myself that while SRC Editor is better most of the time, it is not easy to use when you create table with merged cells.
  2. I am totally clueless about "World Chalice"

0123456789 The Great (talkcontribs) 13:33, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

Creating Cards

  1. Well, on creating cards, make sure you rewrite the lore so that it resembles the official style first. It don't have to be perfectly correct. Examples
    • "You can use this effect of "{{PAGENAME}}" only once per turn."
    • The "Effect No. Identification" is only used in OCG cards.

BTW I realized you use "{{PAGENAME}}". I used it so that when the page is renamed by MOVERs, they will not have to edit those parameters again.

0123456789 The Great (talkcontribs) 13:42, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

One more favor: It is very preferable that you add "ja_lore" parameter to your blank cardtable, and put the "ja_name" and "romaji_name" parameters on top of name parameters.

0123456789 The Great (talkcontribs) 13:44, July 18, 2018 (UTC)


Duplicates have been deleted successfully. Just thought that there was some content on the pages that had to be moved. Energy X 14:49, September 15, 2018 (UTC)

Oh, could you correct the links? I get confused by all that. Energy X 14:52, September 15, 2018 (UTC)
Updated all links, it needed SW-Cache Update --hanmac (talkcontribs) 15:07, September 15, 2018 (UTC)

Infinite Ignition

Ok, now I see why you've recommended Cycroid. Looking through the effects of the archetype, none of the combo starters actually lock you into EARTH, and the Level manipulation doesn't specify EARTH either. The only use it has over PZ is for the Tribute effects, which isn't great, but the fact it could come up convinces me to leave it for now. As for the Rank 10 Fortress play... to be blunt you've just done with 3 cards what Trains do with 2 for no advantage. From there a better play would be to make the Link-1 with Harvester then manipulate the Levels of the other 2 and combine them into the Rank 5, searching/sending. That way you stay +1 at least, or enable a follow-up play. For instance, search Infinitrack Crab Crane, tribute the Link to Summon it (attaching it to the Rank 5), then banish the detached Machine for Outrigger Extension and go into the Rank 7 with targeting and card effect destruction protection. Much better than essentially a vanilla beater. If you're going to play II over pure Trains, you have to have a reason to. Hope that's a help. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 20:19, February 21, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I know the card can be played. The Lv 4 can only SS from hand though. But just because a card can be played does not mean it should be played. To enable the GY effects (which only 2/4 Lv 5s have, one of which only works with a loaded GY) wouldn't it be better simply to Link it away? For the convenient Link-1 that comes with the archetype? As an extreme example: Acidic Downpour increases the DEF of all EARTHs by 500, thereby it can work well with the archetype! Just because you can play Transmodify and Downbeat does not mean you should. They are terrible cards. But situationally, like in World Chalice they can be very powerful (Lee->AoC-V). In order to use the combo you described, you first have to Tribute an EARTH (-1) for the Level 5's Summon, then play Downbeat for a -2. That's two cards invested you may have problems getting back again, to bring out a searchable, on archetype monster. As with the WC example, these cards are best when you can grab powerful, unsearchable monsters. So unless there's a crazy +4/Instant boss monster combo with them, not worth it. Hope this helps. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 16:01, February 25, 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough. It's probably not optimal, but it could work. If there are any other circumstances this could work, great, otherwise it's too dependant on opening your best card. I'm adding it back anyway. Thanks. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 21:28, February 26, 2019 (UTC)

Since you now have resorted to reverting my edit without giving a reason, I'm going to take the discussion here, rather than just carry on this stupid edit war. B.E.S. Blaster Cannon Core is a bad card, end of. What are you expected to get from it you can't already get out of Urgent Schedule, Cyber Dragon, or a Level 10 Train? And before you say "Rank 9", as I've already stated, just opening the Rank 9 is a terrible play. Plus the only other monsters you could overlay it with are Flying Pegasus Railroad Stampede, a bad card to Normal Summon Turn 1, or Ancient Gear Reactor Dragon if you have the desire to brick your Deck with Ancient Gears. Besides, if you want to make the Rank 9, go via the Rank 7 and Outrigger Extension and blow up 3-4 cards, not 2. Look, its great to see someone else who likes this deck and wants to see it grow. Your Cyber Dragon Nachster + Infinitrack Harvester combo is one of my favourite opening plays. But seriously, if we are going to recommend every single EARTH Machine that SSs itself just because its Tribute fodder for a -1 that doesn't automatically open up any further plays, the list will get very long. The line of what's playable and what's not has to be drawn somewhere. And I think this card will never see any play in any good version of this Deck. I am willing to be proved wrong, again if there's a crazy +4 combo with this card or whatever it can go back on. But unlike Downbeat, which at least has situational uses and is a great extender if you've already got a combo, this card doesn't get you more cards. It doesn't hurt your opponent's game. It just exists. And not even that going first, which this deck can do, and should be built to be able to. You know where my talk page is if you think there's something I've overlooked. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 15:33, March 25, 2019 (UTC)

P.S. My current experimental build: 2 Heavy Freight Train Derricrane 1 Infinitrack Tunneller 3 Cyber Dragon 3 Infinitrack Crab Crane 2 Infinitrack Drag Shovel 3 Infinitrack Trencher 1 Ruffian Railcar 2 Flying Pegasus Railroad Stampede 3 Infinitrack Anchor Drill 3 Infinitrack Harvester 3 Cyber Dragon Nachster 2 Downbeat 1 One for One 3 Cyber Emergency 2 Machine Duplication 2 Urgent Schedule 2 Outrigger Extension 2 Spin Turn 1 Infinitrack Earth Slicer 2 Infinitrack Mountain Smasher 2 Infinitrack River Stormer 1 Cyber Dragon Nova 1 Cyber Dragon Infinity 1 Gear Gigant X 1 Infinitrack Fortress Megaclops 1 Knightmare Unicorn 1 Cyber Dragon Sieger 1 Qliphort Genius 1 Double Headed Anger Knuckle 2 Infinitrack Goliath Feedback/suggestions welcome.

Ok, now I see the problem. You're falling victim to what players call "surface-level analysis". This is considering the card in a vacuum, without considering interactions between other cards, or cases where it may not work as planned. The comparison between Cyber Dragon and the B.E.S. is non-existent. Cyber Dragon is better, just because it's named Cyber Dragon, and that allows it to do a ridiculous amount of things. It's like Blue-Eyes White Dragon. Blue-Eyes and Cyber Dragon are infinitely better cards than the B.E.S. just because of their name tags. Cyber Dragon could be a Normal Monster and it would still be light years better. The fact it's not is just a bonus. The B.E.S. name tag is useless, and may as well not exist.

So, in the interest of fairness, I will instead compare the B.E.S. to Heavy Freight Train Derricrane, a card I'm currently playing, as you can see above. They both do similar things, and are in the deck for similar reasons.

● Summoning: Derricrane can be Summoned first and second. The only time its doubtlessly worse is when you open no other EARTH Machines, can't search any or get any out the Extra Deck, and are going second. If that's the case, you've lost anyway. The B.E.S. isn't good enough to win that.

● Incidental effects: The B.E.S.'s indestructability by battle doesn't matter anymore. If you can't get over a monster whose only effect is that, quite frankly you have to be playing a totally and utterly useless deck you built for a meme. And it's not even full protection. Derricrane's removal effect doesn't come up often in this deck, but you can attach it to Infinity, and it makes it work better with Pegasus into Gear Gigant X than the B.E.S. does. And there's even Super Express Bullet Train, who's even better in this area.

● Archetype: The B.E.S. archetype is so bad it can't even help search it. Totally irrelevant. Trains have a high amount of natural synergy with Infinitrack as it is, and Derricrane works well with cards like Double Headed Anger Knuckle, Ruffian Railcar and sometimes Urgent Schedule. All fairly fringe interactions in this deck, but at least they exist.

● Stat lines: The only area where the B.E.S. looks better is the least relevant one. It has superior DEF, which REALLY does not matter, and if Derricrane is Summoned by its own effect, much superior ATK. But it's not enough ATK to get over anything the Deck can't beat anyway. While it's extra damage on board, it's nothing to write home about, and certainly not enough to warrant a place in the Deck for no other reason.

● Level: The fact the B.E.S. is Level 9 not 10 makes it worse due to the Train support, and like I've said, what are you making the Rank 9 with, and WHY when you should be doing a ton of searching, not making one beater, killing 2-3 cards and passing. Before you say Pegasus, a. Gear Gigant X is a better play from there, in which case Derricrane works better for the many explained reasons above and b. Why are you opening with a monster meant to revive monsters? Pegasus is an extender/follow-up, not a combo starter. You never want to see it your opening hand unless it's already so amazing you don't need your Normal Summon. All this I already explained.

So I hope that clears up the confusion. Once again, if you can find a nuts combo with it, I'll add it back. But this time, I don't think there is one, unlike Downbeat, where there was at least potential. This is just bad. In every way. For the reasons above, and many more. Anything you think I missed, my talk page. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 12:58, March 31, 2019 (UTC)


The thing is that the page I deleted had no content. Some script went wrong so it displayed no actual tables. The latter page can stay, and you can recreate the list, if you know how to. Energy X 19:29, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

There, that's better. Energy X 20:46, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Template:Furigana

It's a simplified versionusing HTML tag. And I just created it just in case. It's not going to be used soon IMO, unless people found it.

I don't think the Ruby2 is used either. 0123456789 The Great 13:13, June 23, 2019 (UTC)

I see. TBH I am totally clueless at CSS/LUA/etc. (Any coding non-MediaWiki basically). 0123456789 The Great 16:04, June 23, 2019 (UTC)

PAGENAME in card page

I'll admit that I was the one who started it, but I would like to say that it's not the practice we should take; at least that's what Energy X gave me and I agree. 0123456789 The GreatだいなるNumbersナンバーズ 14:52, November 9, 2019 (UTC)

Re: Ruby vs Ruby2

Hi Hanmac, thanks for the message. So the problem with the Ruby text in the infoboxes is not actually an issue with {{Ruby}} itself, rather it's a problem with {{CardTable2}} being a very large mess and getting overloaded. If you write another template to do the same thing as {{Ruby}} then the issue won't really be solved, because the infobox will still be handling the same amount of data. FishTank's Ruby module has all of the special test cases needed for it to work properly in general, so I don't think there's a particular need for another such module! The {{CardTable2}} replacement is being worked on right now and will probably be done soon. I can't give an exact date, but it should circumvent this issue entirely.

I'm afraid I can't help with the card lore; that's probably where I would have looked too. Energy X or another local staff member might be able to help more in that regard! —Atvelonis (talkcontribs) 17:57, December 21, 2019 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for the crazy late reply. The number of template calls is probably a contributing factor here, but {{Ruby2}} still does not handle all of the edge cases for the input (e.g. maintenance categories and {{Ruby/split}}); the module is just incomplete. But as I remarked above, it won't be an issue once {{CardTable2}} is updated. We're looking to totally restructure the content of all pages using CardTable2 in addition to simply updating the code. It will function and display like a normal infobox (floated to the top-right), and a significant amount of the content that would normally be in the template (such as card rulings, set information, errata, tips, appearances, etc.) will be given its own section in the body of the article, with only the fundamental information (names, card properties, search categories, etc.) left in the infobox. —Atvelonis (talkcontribs) 07:28, January 7, 2020 (UTC)

Comment on Ruby2

I like the visual effect from Ruby2, but I think the coding is quite a mess. 0123456789 The GreatだいなるNumbersナンバーズ 12:50, January 4, 2020 (UTC)

Talkback 1

Well yeah. The coding is a one-template input. But the point I want to establish is that the way it creates ruby effect. It potentially can mix up with normal text.

I have no idea at all how to create or fix module. Cant really say anything here.

PS: No, so far it's manual input. 0123456789 The GreatだいなるNumbersナンバーズ 16:55, January 4, 2020 (UTC)


Shame, I thought it'd work without such bugs. But now I have a new idea how to adapt the template. Energy X 11:29, July 5, 2020 (UTC)

Actually nevermind. It just didn't work like the way we wanted. Energy X 11:33, July 5, 2020 (UTC)


I wanted to avoid getting Energy this time... Tried to help and build off of his edits even. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 16:49, July 17, 2020 (UTC)


Why did you remove the categories? Energy X 13:40, August 25, 2020 (UTC)

OK. It would've helped if you could've written in the edit summary. Continue, then. Energy X 13:45, August 25, 2020 (UTC)


I am not suitable enough to answer these questions as a professional. This system is something the old admin team used to handle, and it's not like there's a manual around that we can read to understand how the system works. You seem to be much better at this than I am.

At best I can answer is, if you think you can automotize the functions so we don't need to manually write, then I'm all for it. But before making any major changes, you could try doing a side template first to display the function, so you don't add code with a bug by mistake.

Since you have so much knowledge, maybe you could try to solve the thing about Rush Duel cards appearing in the card tips' tables, when they are not supposed to? Energy X 19:49, August 26, 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good enough. Well, since I don't exactly have the know-how, you can copy the template, edit it in a separate page, and let me copy the code. Energy X 07:53, August 27, 2020 (UTC)


That does sound legit, though it should be better to do all the pages together, since the lore has changed. I even noticed at one time that even a user replaced content on one of the pages to match Duel Links content. I couldn't revert that because we do not exactly have any viable strategy to split the two pages, to keep the two versions apart. Energy X 21:17, September 1, 2020 (UTC)


An interesting proposition. We do include pages that seemingly have no relation to the archetypes like Guardian - Mystical Elf or M-Warrior #1 - which are only related to the archetype because of earlier video games that have Fusion or Ritual Monsters that require specific monsters like that. In that regard, I would say it is fine to create the pages, but with an explicit mention that it is a video game only archetype. Energy X 22:57, September 4, 2020 (UTC)


For series / archetype, how about creating new categories like "Anime archetypes with X monsters"?

As for the card set, well, I did think, too, it could've been possible to automatize it. But since it is quite hard to do that, it's for the best to use the new card set template that simplifies how the code is written.

More importantly, you could add the other properties that was proposed, like Rush Duel. Since we already put it under miscellaneous ("|misc=Rush Duel"), maybe that can be used to simply add the property by default? Energy X 08:37, September 25, 2020 (UTC)


  1. Can you review the template design I made here?
  2. Well, since you have a keen interest in this site's special version of MediaWiki, and have a lot of edits, do you have any interest in becoming a Content Moderator? With the requirement to simply be more active around here. Energy X 19:33, October 1, 2020 (UTC)
Very much late reply, but I'll second Energy on your mod nomination. WikiNumbers (talkcontribs) 08:24, November 8, 2020 (UTC)


Since Maximum monsters have been added to Rush Duels, do you think you could update the templates CardTable2 and Anime card to reflect that? It's about adding Maximum ATK (new stat) and a Maximum as a new secondary type (like Gemini, Toon, Fusion etc.). Energy X 13:03, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

How about making a sandbox, do changes there, and let me implement them on the actual template? Energy X 13:33, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Table template

I know you seem to be an expert in templates. Was wondering if you could recreate the old tables so we can use that, the new ones on pages such as Dragonmaid is messy with the lines breaking up columns and rows. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 15:37, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


I must applaud you for this. That's hardly something that could've crossed my mind - or anyone else's, for that matter. Energy X 20:59, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


I noticed that, but I was unsure what else we could've done. Sounds like there's tons of pages that use that.

What about using ? character for showing ? ATK/? DEF? Energy X 13:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Re: diff/set

To automate the card errata changes you would have to write a program whose input payload would be the card/article name and the errata, with some string manipulation logic to specify the formatting. That's conceivable, if challenging—the MediaWiki API at least is relatively straightforward—although I'm not sure where the data would come from. There would have to be a database or spreadsheet somewhere that included specifically what was changed, which a bot could scrape in order to update the wiki. It could probably be done, there would just be a ton of edge cases.

Regarding your second message, yes, that's my mistake, I was skimming the SMW documentation and overlooked that. I'm updating the missed :: syntax to the appropriate = where {{#set:}} is used. Thanks for the heads up. —Atvelonis (talkcontribs) 18:38, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

As for {{CardTable2}}, my understanding of [[{{ #iferror: {{ #expr: {{{atk}}} }} | ? | }}ATK::{{{atk}}}| ]] is that it evaluates to "if there's an error, return ?, else return an empty string." If ? is prepended to ATK then you get ?ATK. Property:NonNumberATK is a redirect to Property:?ATK, so if I replaced ? with NonNumber then it would ultimately have the same effect, would it not? —Atvelonis (talkcontribs) 19:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Noted, thanks. I've updated the template now. Let me know if any other specific changes are required. —Atvelonis (talkcontribs) 01:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Done! —Atvelonis (talkcontribs) 22:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Information removal

Hello, I just wanted to inform you that the reason why I removed the information form that page is because Fandom was notified about plagiarism from Yugipedia. I have full permission from Fandom and the Admins on here to work accordingly, so if you revert my edits again, I will be forced to temporarily ban you.

HumbleX (talkcontribs) 13:47, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you show me evidence of your claim? Also, for future reference, please direct any of your comments, concerns, etc. on this matter to the admins here. They're fully aware of this and are in communications with the Fandom Team over this.

HumbleX (talkcontribs) 14:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Very well, I'll undo the edits now.

HumbleX (talkcontribs) 15:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

The use of the <tabber> and everything else except the card query itself is deemed as fair for removal and needs to be rewritten. This is the explanation from the admin team. The admin also discourages the use of tabber at all when rewriting. Sorry about that. BlazeWu (talkcontribs) 15:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
How to rewrite "* Level 4 or lower [[Reptile]] monsters that can be Special Summoned from the hand or Deck" without making it sound stupid? Remember we did such Descriptions first! --Hanmac (talkcontribs) 15:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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