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Annoying Orange

If you're him, then please respond with that account on that account's Talk Page, since I left a message there. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 21:53, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

Really?

Really a need to put "shame on you"?

Really? Only trying to help and I get that?

(Djstu25 (talkcontribs) 20:49, January 24, 2017 (UTC))

Sorry! :D I thought you were just a lazy guy, like many out there, and I only saw your edit summary after I wrote that. My sincere apologies.

GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 20:52, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

No problem. (Djstu25 (talkcontribs) 20:53, January 24, 2017 (UTC))

Sorry again and have a nice day!

GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 21:02, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

Card Tips clean-up

this card is so simple, straightforward and never-used..... no need for that shit-ton of tips. While the first two reasons may be true for "UFOroid Fighter", the third reason should not (never?) be a valid reason for essentially clearing a specific card's tip page. For example, look at "Wodan the Resident of the Forest". Its effect is pretty bad, so in general, it shouldn't be placed on other cards' tip pages. However, there can still be valid tips added for its own tip page... so long as they aren't gimmicky tips (and this is deliberately ignoring the possibility that the card itself is a gimmicky card). The only reason a person would be looking at that card's Card Tips page is if they're trying to use that card. (Or they have no choice, and must use that card... in a custom format, for example. Duel Links is a great example of this, making irrelevant cards relevant again.) --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 06:08, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

hm, seems fair! I'll pay more attention to it, thanks! :D GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 16:01, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

I also dislike when you remove tons and tons of content from a tips page. Sure, some bullets can be removed, but some don't need to be, like the Quillbolt loop with "Cannon Soldier". Some people might want to focus on that. It seems you just prefer to be lazy and wipe out the text rather than clean it. If you don't want to clean it, then don't; but don't remove it all as well, when it can be cleaned up. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 16:00, June 5, 2017 (UTC)

Hello! I appreciate your feedback! Since UltimateKuriboh warned me before, I tried to pay more attention when cleaning up some card tips page. I must confess that maybe I overlooked the tip on hedgehog, but I carefully read all the others. However, what I try to do is to clean polluted pages, rather than nuke them recklessly; for example, on my last edit on Crystal Wing Synchro Dragon, I replaced a long-winded tip on how to Summon it on a Blue-Eyes deck, by removing a long text and keeping the core tip, that is: a Level 7 synchro summoned by Spirit Dragon + a Level 1 Tuner. Anyway, Thank you again for your feedback, I'll be more careful now. ^^

GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 01:29, June 6, 2017 (UTC)

Edit wars are really annoying, because they clog up the page's history.
If someone is trying to engage in an edit war, please stop editing the involved page. If you haven't managed to convince the other party in at least 2 reverts, then it's clear you're not going to reach a consensus through the limited edit summary messages... at which point, you resort to posting on their User Talk page (or the article's Talk Page) to continue the discussion. I also don't see why you seemed so insistent on reverting their edits, since Card Tips:Cannon Soldier is not a high-traffic page; it's not like there's going to be a catastrophe if the page goes "unfixed" for 1+ day. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 05:39, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
Hi! All I did was remove the inconsistent tips, like the one revolving around Grandsoil and Dewloren, as if it was that easy to Special Summon them in the first place, and the ones that require intrincate and specific set-ups. But, anyway, I'll abide by your advice and stop editing them, even thinking that page is very polluted and even non-competitive players would have so much difficulty on achieving most of those combos.

GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 13:20, June 6, 2017 (UTC)

No, I won't let you keep doing this any further, no matter what you say to anyone. You don't even know what is "cleaning up" and how the tips pages work. All you do is removing everything that you think it's obvious or difficult to do, but the thing is that there are new players that are learning the game and don't find those thing obvious and they learn them here, they need detailed advices and the explanation of all the steps of every combo to understand how to do it. If part of a text is too redundant, then it can be cleaned up, but what you do is erasing every explanation and summarizing everything into 1 or 2 sentences. Not only that, you have a really flawed criteria about what is inconsistent or intricate, thinking that something requiring 2 or 3 specific cards is automatically impractical. If it was a full hand of 5 or 6 specific and unsearchable cards, then I would give you reason, but in todays game, when there are like 10 generic draw and search cards that increase consistency like hell (I expect I don't have to list all them), those things you thing are too inconsistent are actually quite consistent, even if they aren't used in competitive play because they aren't the best decks.

I requested you to search videos of people doing these combos consistently and repeatedly, but it seems you prefer acting like a kid and not appreciate my feedback, even when I gave you proves and reasons, because you only want to impose your flawed vision about the game. The "Grandsoil" combo is much easier to do than you think, because 5 EARTH monsters in the Graveyard with today's capacity of Graveyard control in most decks is not even a task, it has even been used consistently in some high tier decks. So before you try to impose your flawed criteria again, go and check to make sure if what you think about a play is right or not, which is what I do myself. And the fact that you find a tip unneeded doesn't mean that other people won't find it useful.--Feder373 (talkcontribs) 10:57, June 6, 2017 (UTC)

tl dr GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 13:20, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
The fact that you didn't bother to read my explanations confirms me that you are truly a lazy user, because if you had read them you would have understood why you are wrong. Anyways, I'll leave the Grandsoil and most of the other tips removed to stop fighting with you about this, given that you don't want to understand. I admit that some of your clean-ups are fine and justified, but others aren't.--Feder373 (talkcontribs) 15:38, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
You're not improving anyone's impressions of you. If you're unwilling to study the validity of some of the more complicated card tips (which could be simplified, instead of being removed entirely), then you should say "partial clean-up" and skip over the difficult-to-judge card tips. Or just ignore cleaning up that Card Tips page altogether. You're doing more damage by removing card tips en masse, as opposed to leaving the Card Tips page unfixed in the first place. Having some gimmicky tips mixed in with some valid tips is better than mass clean-up that removes some of those valid tips. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 18:54, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
I agree with that. You are all against me in this issue, so I must be humble and accept that I may be wrong. Not everyone thinks the same as me when it comes to removing unnecessary tips from a page, so from now on I'll be more careful when doing that. Really. But I request you to see the latest log from Card Tips:Ruthless Denial and see that my last edit was a proper cleanup rather than a blind mass removal and covered almost every tips before my edit and the page got less polluted that it was before. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 19:00, June 6, 2017 (UTC)

New Magical Scientist

Hey! GustaphMax!

I was thinking. Due to Catapult Turtle's erratum, Amazoness Archer would be a good substitute for it in a Magical Scientist OTK Deck. Good additions to this Deck would be 3 copies of Tri-and-Guess, since the Extra Deck would need to be chock full of Fusion Monsters. Can you think of any other cards that would be good additions to a modern Magical Scientist OTK Deck?RedEyesBurn69 (talkcontribs) 00:06, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

Hi, RedEyesBurn69! How's it goin?

I'm not into OTK Decks, specially those ones revolving around effect damage, so I think I cannot help you with that :/ I removed the tip on Decode Talker's page because it would be possible to summon fusions to the extra zones, without relying on the zones Talker points to. I suggest you to search for some video on Youtube and adding those tips on Magical Scientist's page, since he is the lynchpin of the OTK strategy you are looking for. Also, I would recommend you to do not write too intricate tips, that require specific and restrict set-ups, because complicated tips are counter-productive and hard to achieve GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 02:41, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

Extra Monster Zones

Umm, actually, each player can only use one Extra Monster Zone. So it would be harder to make a modern Magical Scientist Deck.RedEyesBurn69 (talkcontribs) 19:57, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

oh, really? I must read the new rules carefully. I thought the Extra Monster Zones were shared between the players and the player who would occupy both of them first would have the upper hand. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 02:29, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

White Aura Whale

Why'd you delete the Last Turn tip for White Aura Whale?

Look, if your opponent destroys White Aura Whale and sends it to the Graveyard, you can Special Summon it from your Graveyard by banishing another WATER monster from it. There's no limit as to how many times you can do that in a turn, either. So in most cases, you can expect the worst-case scenario to be a DRAW. Plus, it's already a 2800-ATK Beatstick. So what was wrong with the tip?RedEyesBurn69 (talkcontribs) 03:48, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

hm, you're right, i guess GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 04:09, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

RE:Outdated Tips/cleanup

Sorry for the late response (and wow, thought I submitted this, sorry for the even longer delay). There is a need for those tips though, for older games. This is why we have a Traditional Format section; even though no Regionals-level event (or higher) features that format nowadays, it's a convenient excuse for us to keep the tips for a banned card. The possibility of a custom format(s) that void the concept of Extra Monster Zones is very possible too, given the "Generation Duel" special side-event.
Of course, an appropriate section has to be titled for those tips. Wiping a card of its formerly viable tips is a shame, really. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 15:44, October 1, 2017 (UTC)


Thanks for your response! I assumed the tips were meant mainly for the TCG/OCG following the current state (that is, the Link-era rules), and that's why I removed most of them. Actually, I only manage to do those cleanups "inspired" by what Lightning Laxus did on the tips of how to Synchro Summon Shooting Quasar Dragon. I assumed that, since most of the tips here are centered around the main card game, it would be safe to remove them due to the incompatibility with the new rules. But I'll be more careful now.
And, what about the tips on Dark Hole? That other user only undid my changes out of stubborness towards me, because if he/she is so aware of the reasons of cleaning up a page like that, he/she could have clearly seen that most of those tips were unnecessary, given how generic that card is. But my last change were not undone, so I think he/she understood my reasons.

GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 16:36, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

Hey, That Reminds Me...

You got any other ideas on how to use Rival Arrival? I mean, it's good with Victory Dragon(Rulers) and all, but what about the Advanced Format? And I apologize if I sound biased here. Based on what I've seen and heard, the Dragon Rulers are what would happen if you took Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End, and cut it up into 4 smaller dragons. Eight, if you include the Baby Rulers. But yeah, can you yourself think of any ways on how to use Rival Arrival?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 22:33, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I think that card is pretty situational and there's nothing special on it. I mean, you could use it to make the Tribute fodders dodge an effect or to act edgy and attack a third time with the newly summoned monster. Or even to Normal Summon a monster whose effect would surprise the opponent, like a Dark Dust Spirit on the opponent's turn, or something like that. Ultimate Offering was a thing because it is a continuous trap that can normal summon monsters again and again, which can be combined with things like the Gadgets; Rival Arrival is just a Quick-Play, so you just use its effect once and I cant think on anything special on this trick besides the situations I mentioned above. And as a situational quick-play, I think there's no purpose on building an strategy around it. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 23:16, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

Little Help?

Hello again. After finding a bit of synergy between the Dragon Rulers and Victory Dragon, I decided to make my own Deck involving the Forbidden five(Yes, that was intentional). Because of Arrivalrivals, Victory Dragon can easily fulfill its win condition, especially in a Dragonsworn/Lightsworn Ruler Deck.

I'm trying to make a Traditional Format build with them, but I'm not very good at Deck Building. So I'm asking you for advice on this "Victory Dragonsworn" Deck, what it should consist of.

Obviously, the Adult Rulers, Victory Dragon, Eclipse Wyvern, Arrivalrivals, and Judgment Dragon are crucial to this build. Maybe Sixth Sense, Painful Choice, and Pot of Greed? I don't know. Perhaps I could include those too.

Can you help me?

PS: I'm also interested in what a "Twilightsworn Ruler" Deck would look like, especially since Punishment Dragon can recycle your banished Dragon Rulers(And other banished cards) and your Graveyard.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 16:48, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I don't know exactly how to help you, because I'm not into Dragon Decks. But when Rulers were around, there were hybrids with Lightsworns, so I suggest you to get inspired by deck profiles like this one, this one or this one. Maybe your strategy should rely more on the aggressivity of Dragon Rulers and the speed of Lightsworns and less on the victory condition of Victory Dragon. It would be tricky and unexpected to win a match with VD, specially if it is normal summoned by Arrivalrivals, but I think this (Victory Dragon + Arrivalrivals) would be a inconsistent piece of engine on a fast deck like Rulers/Lightsworn, even being possible to search VD with Tempest.

I'm flattered you considered my opinion and I hope you can get the deck you desire, good luck! :)

GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 17:01, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

Gofu

I checked here on the wikia not too long ago. Turns out you were right about Link Summoning. Some Link Monsters can be summoned without a specific number of Link Materials, but still need the correct ones. Two of the pages listed monsters that need at least 2 or 3 Link Materials. Now, here's what I have to ask.

I now know good a card Gofu the Vague Shadow is. Apparently, it and the Tokens it summons can all be used to Link Summon Firewall Dragon(2+ monsters), or Gaia Saber(3+ monsters). As an alternative, the two Tokens can be used to summon Proxy or Security Dragon, and Gofu and Proxy/Security can all be used to Link Summon Borreload Dragon. Gofu is a 1-card Borreload Dragon.

I can honestly say I know why it's Limited in the OCG now. Do you honestly think it will suffer the same fate in the TCG, if not worse(Ra forbid it gets banned)? Why or why not?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 23:36, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not playing the Link Format, because Ygopro havent updated yet and I dont have the cards I want in real life. Ive been studying how the mechanic works, but certain things are not clear to me. What I did understand is: A link 4 monster like Firewall requires at least 4 monsters to be summoned, period. UNLESS you are using Link monsters as materials. In that case you can use a Link 2 monster and 2 non-link monsters or a Link 3 monster and 1 non-Link monster or 2 link 2 monsters. Skulldeat, the Chained Dracoserpent (note: my favorite link monster so far) lists "3+ monsters" and assumes the possibility of being link summoned with 2 monsters. The only way to accomplish that is by summoning it with a link 3 and a link 1 or with 2 link 2 monsters. What I dont exactly get is why Konami made Firewall's recipe "2+ monsters" instead of "4 monsters". The point is: Gofu cannot be used to link summon Firewall Dragon on its own, it will need one more monster in addition to itself and its Tokens. I dont see Gofu being hit by the banlist in the near future, unless a link-reliant deck becomes popular and competitive, having gofu as an essential engine.

GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 23:53, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

"Borreload Dragon" requires 3+ monsters. "Gofu" + "Proxy Dragon"/"Security Dragon" totals 2 monsters. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 23:40, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but you can also treat a single Link Monster as a number of materials equal to its Link Rating. Proxy and Security are both Link 2, so they can be used as 2 monsters.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 23:47, October 15, 2017 (UTC)


No. They can't. This was explained way too many times now. To Link Summon a monster, the Link Ratings must add up. A monster is treated as Link Rating 1 when used as Material. A Link monster with a higher rating can be treated as that Rating. It does NOT mean that it is treated as that many materials. If a Link monster says 3+, it means you have to use atleast 3 CARDS. Physical. Cards. It's analogue to Synchros, but instead of Levels, you add Link Ratings. To summon Trishula, you need to add up all Levels to 9 BUT you can't use less than 3 monsters. To summon Borrelord, all Link Ratings have to add up to 4 BUT you can't use less than 3 monsters. Seriously. It's not that hard. Mofiz (talkcontribs) 00:04, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

(my bad: I said Skulldeat lists "3+" but it actually says "2+"). Surfinbird42, what Mofiz is saying makes alot of sense and how to Link Summon is more clear to me now. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 00:29, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

Dia De Los Muertos Deck?

Just had another idea for a Traditional Format Deck! I've also heard about Destiny HERO - Disk Commander. Supposedly, it can be a major Draw Engine, especially in Zombie Decks. I don't think Disk Commander was intended to have a musical connotation, but rap comes to mind when I think of it.

So I'm trying to make a Zombie World Deck that revolves around using Disk Commander as a Draw Engine, and has festive cards in it. Kinda like a Dia De Los Muertos Deck!

Wonder Balloons is a pretty good choice, since it lets you send cards from your hand to the Graveyard, and weaken your opponent's monsters. Plus, Disk Commander's effect can compensate for your ever-shrinking hand. Card of Safe Return, it's not festive, but it's terrifying in Graveyard-reliant Decks like Zombies. Do you know any other festive cards that would work in a Graveyard-based Deck?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 22:33, October 17, 2017 (UTC)

Card Trivia: Phantom Dewan

Why did you the delete tag on that page? --OnePiece (talkcontribs) 13:26, October 18, 2017 (UTC)

oi amore. Aquele adm reverteu sua edição na página do Gate Deeg dizendo q o google tradutor nao é fonte confiável. Então eu coloquei aquela tag partindo do mesmo princípio. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 13:33, October 18, 2017 (UTC)

Ah, eu te conheço '-' :v. Thanks --OnePiece (talkcontribs) 16:54, October 20, 2017 (UTC)

Clashing Souls

Why'd you get rid of the Traditional Format section on the Clashing Souls page?

I can admit that I was jumping the gun with Crystal Wing, awesome as that card is, but what was wrong with the tips regarding Clashing Souls?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 00:45, October 21, 2017 (UTC)

There were nothing special about them, I just think most of the tips you write are silly, situational, unlikely to be put in practice or simply weird. And it seems like you have a strange fixation with Victory Dragon and Last Turn. But anyway, you can restore them if you want to. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 00:57, October 21, 2017 (UTC)

Well, the purpose of the one involving Cyber-Stein was meant to be a new way to perform the Cyber-Stein OTK. I'm interested in the Forbidden cards, as well as the ones that are tournament-legal. That's why I previously asked you about Disk Commander. With so many new cards coming out, I'm interested to see how they'd combo with the cards that are banned. Is that weird?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 01:03, October 21, 2017 (UTC)

kinda GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 01:05, October 21, 2017 (UTC)

While we are on the subject, do you know any festive cards, other than the Token Holiday cards? I'm still trying to make that Dia De Los Muertos Deck.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 01:08, October 21, 2017 (UTC)

um, not really. Why dont u try Ghostricks? GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 01:10, October 21, 2017 (UTC)

Funnily enough, I am working with Ghostricks on YGOPro. Maybe I could try Qliphorts. What with Qliphort Genius being revealed, I'd love to see how a Towers Turbo Deck would do in the Link Format.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 01:14, October 21, 2017 (UTC)

Tzolkin tip

I'm sure you can summon 3 Quasars as well with that setup, but this wanst a tip in the yang zing deck page, it was a tip in the tzolkin tips page..
oh well whatever
SSCooler (talkcontribs) 17:49, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I restored and reworded your tip! (before I saw this message xD)
Merry christmas ^^

GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 17:53, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks mate! :D
Sorry for being mad ^^"
Merry Christmas to you too! :)
SSCooler (talkcontribs) 22:02, December 24, 2017 (UTC)
GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 05:04, December 25, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, Man.

I saw that summary. Sorry, I'm not exactly good at wording things. I do appreciate you rewording the combo involving A/D Changer and The Claw of Hermos, though. Thank you. Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 02:31, December 28, 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 09:12, December 28, 2017 (UTC)

About Dark Law

I wasn't trying to say it can be used in any Deck. It's just a really good HERO. Actually, I'd say it's a really good card in general.

Plus, with Mask Change II, it can be teched against Graveyard-reliant Decks, and summoning it with that card can set up your Graveyard.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 18:14, December 30, 2017 (UTC)

Ironically, it can be teched into Burning Abyss and Skull Servants. Sorry if I'm promoting that card too much. Again, I just see it as a very useful card.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 18:19, December 30, 2017 (UTC)

Frequent Editor

Since you're a frequent editor here, you'll probably be interested in this: Forum:Proposal to Fork to Yugipedia. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 21:22, January 1, 2018 (UTC)


Yo! I'll check it as soon as possible! :) GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 22:48, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

Your Complaint

I know that the tips are not intended to be personal, but I'm not the best with words. Your complaint is well-deserved; it is. The tips are supposed to be impersonal. My apologies for the frustration I'm causing.

But again, I like how you reword the tips I make to circumvent this issue. Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 15:52, January 5, 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. But you could at least make an effort on that matter. It is very annoying to reword tips all the time because you "are not the best with words". I recommend you to read carefully how tips are written and learn with that pattern. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 16:05, January 5, 2018 (UTC)

The Action Cards

Or should I say, "Action Magics"?

Anyway, the Action Cards seem gimmicky at first glance, but I believe they could see some competitive play. Believe me when I say these cards are not broken, but they are also not bad.

Let's start with Full Turn. It has lethal synergy with Amazoness Swords Woman and Daigusto Sphreez. That's nothing special, considering it just combos well with those two cards. But Dragons are one of the best monster types in the game, and there's already several plays that can be made with them! This includes Odd-Eyes Decks, on account of Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon's monster effect.

Then there's Double Banking. Again, pretty good in Dragon Decks. But in HEROs, Double Banking can be used to swarm the opponent(Especially if Malicious was discarded), heavily damage them, or draw 2 cards.

I'm not saying they will definitely be used competitively, but I will say that they are pretty good. I didn't expect Clashing Souls to be used competitively, but Trickstars proved me wrong. Honestly, can you think of other ways to combo either card with Dragons or HEROs?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 16:58, January 5, 2018 (UTC)

Are you really lecturing me about "Action Magic" cards? I just removed that tip because it was confusing for me how "Full Turn" would interact with "Swords Woman", but after reading it 3 times, I realized you were right about it. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 18:46, January 5, 2018 (UTC)
Actually, I wasn't trying to lecture you. I was just saying, the Action Cards(That we've gotten so far) are pretty good. HEROs and Dragons are personal favorite Decks of mine. My question was how would you use Double Banking and Full Turn in those Decks, apart from the tips I provided?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 01:31, January 6, 2018 (UTC)
I dont really know, sorry. I dont play dragons or heroes. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 03:27, January 6, 2018 (UTC)

Legendary Collection Kaiba

Well, if it isn't my favorite Rank 10 Machine!

Ahh, I'm having fun. Anyway, I've heard about Legendary Collection Kaiba. I'm personally not a big fan of the guy, but I'm excited about its release. Especially after seeing the new monster that can be summoned with The Fang of Critias.

I thought that Dark Magician the Dragon Knight would be good, but its effect made it better than I thought, since it gives you more time to summon Five-Headed Dragon with Future Fusion! So I hope Kaiba's new Legendary Dragon doesn't disappoint.

Well, I'm sure it won't. The ring on its neck looks very similar to Ring of Destruction, one of Kaiba's cards. So I'm guessing it'll also have a Nuke/Burn effect. That sounds like it'd be handy in a Dragon Deck, especially(And ironically), Red-Eyes.

Any hopes you have about LCK?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 18:36, January 11, 2018 (UTC)

I literally have no idea. I dont like to speculate about upcoming sets, because everything is simply unpredictable. Also, I always disliked anything too anime-attached, especially when it comes to certain characters, such as Kaiba, so meh. The only things that are getting me hyped right now are the "Troymare" archetype and the next SecretRare-HandTrap-Zombie-Tuner-0ATK-1800DEF that probably will be released on EXFO, if Konami keeps the pattern of releasing those monsters on the first booster pack of the year, like happened with Ghost Ogre, Ghost Reaper and Ash Blossom GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 19:18, January 11, 2018 (UTC)

Creative Much, Konami?

I'm not here to ask any questions or clear up any issues this time. I just HAVE to say this. I am really loving Konami's creativity. Seriously. After seeing the content Konami has been making since the start of the Link Format(Red Reboot, World Chalice, Akashic Magician, etc.), I'm amazed. The card art, card effects, names, Decks and archetypes, EVERYTHING. They're even making the Action Cards real.

Konami making satirical card artworks involving the banlist(Sangan's storyline, Summon Gate) was one thing, but the cards they made during the Link Format really takes the cake. Right now, I'm very much enthralled by Flames of Destruction, mostly on account of Red Reboot and Staredown. Although as you can imagine, my main priority is Kaiba's newest Legendary Dragon. I know you probably don't care much about it, but I'm really hoping Konami keeps up the good work. Their creativity is as sharp as ever!Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 19:56, January 12, 2018 (UTC)

A/D Changer

Hello again! I was looking over our edits to A/D Changer's tips. One of them was that this card could be used as a staple in Decks whose Ace Monster has an ATK-boosting effect. Some of those Decks are...

Chimeratech Overdragon OTK Graveyard Dragon Power Skull Servants Red Nova Dragon Turbo(Technically, Red Dragon Archfiend decks in general) Rage of the Sea Turbo(In the Traditional Format, just tech that monster in a Frog Deck including Substitoad)

But how was that tip invalid? Also, I was considering leaving a tip involving Painful Choice.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 01:02, February 9, 2018 (UTC)

It's not invalid, but that monster just has a funny effect, it's not like it was a intricate and meta-shaping card with a side deck-shaking effect, so there's no need to invest time and neurons on tricky tips on it. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 02:00, February 9, 2018 (UTC)

Prohibition

I also want to give a little food for thought. I'm honestly a bit surprised that not many people have Prohibition in their Side Deck. Since every Deck has a few key cards, Prohibition is basically a mini-banlist, and it hits Decks reliant on very specific cards(Spyrals are an obvious example) very hard. Just my personal opinion, but it'd be a sin not to Side Deck that card, even if your Deck is high-tier.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 01:13, February 9, 2018 (UTC)

a MST-vulnerable "mini-banlist". Next. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 02:00, February 9, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware that Spell/Trap removal is vital for competitive play. My reason for stating the above was that because of this card's splashability, it can work in any Meta. So it came as a surprise to me that it is rarely used competitively.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 02:16, February 9, 2018 (UTC)

Ventriloduo

Clara & Rushka activate both ABC pieces without the use of an additional summon, Decode talker requires you to go 1st into a Link 2 & then into a Link 3 after activating both effects in the GY, this requires you start with 2 monsters on the field instead of 1, Clara & Rushka allows for progress into ABC Dragon Buster via a single normal summon & hangar equip, then GY effect activation leading to a special summon & then summon of a Link 2 such as Underclock Taker to allow for the summon of Dragon Buster. This is also the only current competitive use for this card as far as I'm aware, deleting it detracts from the total resource this site provides.

Evol Kard (talkcontribs) 01:48, February 19, 2018 (UTC)
Clara & Rushka is an utterly irrelevant card for an ABC Deck. Decode Talker was an example. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 02:27, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

ABC doesn't need the card, no, it's already a good deck, it doesn't need anything other than Buster Dragon, but it makes the deck better overall, it opens up a line of play the deck previously did not have access to, you don't always get to go 1st, & you don't always have access to Destrudo or a Gold or Silver Gadget, it's nice when you do, but sometimes you don't, this isn't a card you play instead of the Decode play, it's a monster you summon when you do not have access to it, additionally sometimes you activate this card called Evenly Matched and make a board in main phase 2, which just happens to completely remove the 1 drawback of the card. The card isn't slow, it's situational, it speeds the deck up where it would otherwise be slow & where being slow is most costly, going second without access to an additional summon. That Clara & Rushka can activate 2 ABC pieces without any additional resources used from hand or deck is possibly the single best thing the card currently does, & certainly the most relevant thing to include in it's tips page. --Evol Kard (talkcontribs) 08:02, February 19, 2018 (UTC)


tldrGustaphMax (talkcontribs) 03:38, February 20, 2018 (UTC)

Last Will OTKs

There are a handful of OTKs that can be done with Last Will and Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End(TCG-Only, Traditional Format).

The Decks that can do this are...

ABC/A-to-Z


Blue-Eyes(If Deep-Eyes White Dragon is in the Deck)


Brandish Maiden


Chaos Necromancer Turbo


Graveyard Dragon Power(Mostly Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon)

Rage of the Deep Sea Turbo

I was considering making an "OTK" section for Last Will's tip page, but I wanted to consult you first. Is this really necessary?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 02:20, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

I dont think it is necessary. Last Turn is a pretty straightforward card, with a relatively harsh activation condition. The go-to combo will always activate it while controlling a monster with some inherent immunity and high chances of surviving the battle, so i think it is unnecessary to point that out. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 13:35, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

I said "Last Will", not "Last Turn". Last Will was a key card in the Magical Scientist FTK. Last Will is practically the Spell card equivalent of pre-erratum Sangan.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 16:24, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, i misread. The text of Last Will is kinda confusing, I wish it get a PSCT errata in the future, but I still think that section would be unnecessary. Also, I know sometimes I may be kinda annoying by reverting your tips, but I do it because most of the times they are very intricate, or too specific or WTF-ish. It would be nice if your tips were more concise or applicable without needing 3 or more specific cards in specific places to work. I'm saying this because I'm no authority here, so you do not have to consult me before adding tips to a tips page, just bear that in mind before editing. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 20:22, February 25, 2018 (UTC)


Understood. And just letting you know, I never saw you as annoying. At times, I was confused as to why you reverted my tips. Nonetheless, you never did anything to annoy me. On another note, I think Konami has all but forgotten this card. Since it's only good for OTKs with Chaos Emperor Dragon(Maybe Black Rose Dragon too), and providing fodder for cards like Cannon Soldier, there isn't a very good reason to keep it banned. How much harm could Last Will cause in the Advanced Format?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 20:46, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

It's not (just) about the impact on the metagame, but the sheer power of a universal search card that enables a sequence of summons that could be used to perform insane combos, without mentioning the deck thinning itself. This card was poorly designed and will NEVER be unbanned. Ever. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 22:22, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

Actually, you can only summon 1 monster with Last Will's effect. The rulings said so. Why do you think I mentioned Chaos Emperor Dragon and Black Rose Dragon? It's mostly just good for making one last attack.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 23:13, February 25, 2018 (UTC)Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 23:09, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

Even so, the 'universal searcher with no cost' argument is still strong enough to keep last will at bay forever. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 23:46, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

re: clara rushka, that something is new is not a valid reason for deletion, read reason for change before deleting : " re-added same change as before, difference is now evidence of use in a topping deck is present as was expected from the theory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew0tZRsQFwo " , all your previous reasoning for deleting the tip has now been shown to be incorrect , also in regards to your last posted reason behind deletion calling a person better informed than you 'noobish' only reflects on your own understanding of the game or lack thereof. --Evol Kard (talkcontribs) 13:56, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Clara & Rushka Tips : The card is topping events, winning a Regional in ABC, topping Regionals & OTS Tournaments in Invoked, it is blatantly not an irrelevant card & so does not fall under the policy of removing irrelevant tips on largely unused cards, & you have failed to give a single reason the last 3 times you deleted the added tip, I can only assume you're only deleting it at this point out of spite because you dislike being wrong, & under those circumstances it's page vandalism not legitimate editing, stop. --Evol Kard (talkcontribs) 12:17, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Clara Rushka tip : Both MasterMarik & Energy X have standing messages on their Talk pages in reference to this with the latest information, both should have now been seen as evidenced by responses to other posts on those pages, the reasoning behind the addition of the tip seems to now of been accepted by them given there has been no further response to the contrary, if you wish to see in full the reasons for the inclusion of the tip please see Energy X's Talk page and read the compilation of them, if you do not understand what this play does specific for ABC please see MasterMarik's Talk page on which the full basic combo is explained. If you have some reason why in spite of all of this you still wish to delete it please feel free to actually make that reason clear either through the edit history statements or on my Talk page. If you have no reason for the deletion after reading all the latest relevant information please cease deleting the tip for no reason. --Evol Kard (talkcontribs) 21:11, March 19, 2018 (UTC)

Like What?

Hey, GM! Saw your summary regarding Crystron Needlefiber. I actually looked at the tip pages for Curse of Darkness and Chain Burst, and the tips looked so-so. I mean sure, you COULD use either with Prime Material Dragon, but if you want to gain LP while your opponent is damaged, you'll need a third card(Reficule or Simoichi).

Des Wombat does prevent you from taking effect damage, but it's generally easier to get rid of than Life Stream Dragon. So apart from setting up plays with Crystron Needlefiber, how could Curse of Darkness and Chain Burst be used in this format? Like, what are some ways you would use them?

Again, I'd be using them in Burn decks, especially ones that use Clashing Souls.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 02:27, March 21, 2018 (UTC)

I'm just saying, this was the best way to use those cards that I could think of personally.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 02:35, March 21, 2018 (UTC)

My point is: why invest two monsters (with at least 1 tuner among them) to drop needlefiber, then wait until the opponent's turn to trigger its effect to summon life stream dragon while chhain burst and curse of darkness are lurking, waiting to be activated? A Twin twisters can frustrate this delicate plan. A bottomless trap hole can destroy life stream... this combo is valid but very complicated and easily counterable. You put everything in a monster with continuous effect and that monster can be taken off the field with little effort. Also, I know that every combo in this game is counterable, but if you want to explore the interactions between LSD and those traps, there may be easier and less clunky ways to do that without investing so much in a such powerful link monster that will be ultimately used for such a poor purpose. Also, you could try faster and more effective burn effects that dont have necerrarily to be 2 continuous traps that can be removed from the field if certain quick effects respond to them. I bet even investing on a engine revolving around summoning Power Tool Dragon and then LSD would be easier. Maybe not easier, but more straightforward then waiting until the oppnoent's turn, sparing that needlefiber to a more profitable usage. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 03:04, March 21, 2018 (UTC)

Burn Decks

And since I've developed such a passion for Burn Decks(Thank MegaCapitalG for creating a Clashing Trickstars Deck), I should probably start experimenting with them. I mean, Trickstar Oppression(Traditional Format) or Clashing Red-Eyes? Those would be fun to play.Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 02:42, March 21, 2018 (UTC)

Card Trivia

Hey, GustaphMax?

After seeing the new name for Selective Reborn and its artwork, I started thinking about Number 41: Bagooska.

What's funny is after seeing Monster Reborn Reborn, I started thinking about its original counterpart's newest TCG reprint. So I kind of see the card now as a reference to how Monster Reborn became legal here.

Why am I bringing this up?

Well, I don't know if you've been to Bagooska's trivia page, but I kind of saw a double meaning in that card too. See, Bagooska can only survive for two turns without other cards. And due to its TCG artwork, I thought of it serving as a reference to sleep apnea. I just want your opinion, am I reading into this kind of thing too much? Because the artwork was changed when it came to the TCG. Originally, Bagooska's maintenance cost was a reference to alcohol poisoning. And I only saw this Monster Reborn goof today.

Finally, despite Destruction Dragon being one of Kaiba's cards to an extent, I actually see it and its related cards as splashable in Red-Eyes, which Joey Wheeler introduced.

So, do you think I'm reading into the trivia too much?Surfinbird42 (talkcontribs) 22:43, March 21, 2018 (UTC)

"So, do you think I'm reading into the trivia too much?" umm, yes...... GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 19:34, March 22, 2018 (UTC)

Action Cards

Hey, GustaphMax. I've been experimenting with the Action Magics recently, and they are pretty good. Granted, I don't end up drawing them that often, but they're still awesome in OTK Decks. Well, at least Full Turn is. Double Banking doesn't work for some reason. Some Yugituber named Shark Ygopro tested Double Banking too; he encountered the same problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS-Z6r4vEAo&t=176s

I dont play action cards, so I dont know much about them... GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 02:22, April 6, 2018 (UTC)

Golden Castle of Stromberg‎

i don't think that would work with "Pumpkin Carriage" or "Field Barrier" because it is a Maintenance cost, also see Card Rulings:Clear World. --hanmac (talkcontribs) 13:50, May 13, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 14:44, May 13, 2018 (UTC)


Trivia

https://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:KrspaceT insists that their trivia on two card pages about it being "the first card used by a duelist" in Seasons 1 and 2" is a viable trivia. Can you please tell them otherwise? --MasterMarik (talkcontribs) 12:40, September 21, 2018 (UTC)

I added the deletion box but dont think it's gonna work. Some admin could come and help if he/she starts being annoying and disrespectful. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 00:04, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

Page

Page has been deleted. Energy X 08:45, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

Rename

If you want an article to be renamed, at least explain why the rename is needed. Otherwise, I could only speculate why someone proposed the change; I need the reason so I can evaluate if I should rename such pages. Energy X 16:07, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

I forgot to put the reasons. But here it is: https://ygorganization.com/soul-fusion-tcg-names/

GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 17:15, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

Page

I wouldn't say that I have to pick a side that's right. What I will say is that this sort of table is used on other articles, and therefore, it doesn't need to be removed. Besides, splitting information onto so many trivia pages is not necessarily a positive change, for the table shows the archetype's theme, too. Energy X 22:33, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

I understand your point, but I don't agree. There is a big difference between the intricate concept of archetypes like Zefra and Infernoid and the catchy etymology of the Sylvans; they don't even have a clear pattern behind their concept as a theme. Also, that kind of information is one of the specific purposes of the Trivia pages, so there's no problem in that etymology information being scattered in those pages. But, anyway, it seems like the quarrel has been settled. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 22:52, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 03:43, October 17, 2018 (UTC)


PLEASE, DO NOT DELETE TOO MUCH :)

Hello. I had a look to your contribution to the wiki. I noticed that you are deleting a lot of tips in many different pages because you consider them "obvious" or "not necessary". It is obvious that you are an excellent duelist, but allow me to give you a little advice: do not delete so much. Remember that this Wiki is not adressed only to expert duelist or elites like you, but even to newcomers. Only because something is obvious for you, it doesn't mean it is obvious for everybody. The more tips you find on the wiki the better is: a little more tips never hurt anyone. so, please, think about my words, put a hand on your heart and stop deleting so much. It is a shame to see hundreds of contribution and precious tips "destroyed" in two shakes. Thank you. B.R. Marco.tomesani.1 (talkcontribs) 03:51, November 18, 2018 (UTC)

First of all, I welcome you and your kindness. :)
Well, when I delete tips for considering them "obvious", I do it because those tips state something fairly OBVIOUS, so to speak (1), or because those tips could make sense when that card debuted a mechanic or interaction, but nowadays they doesnt worth pointing out (2), or when a page is too polluted (3).
Example (1): Evenly Matched and the edit you included: against a field full of cards and no means to counter it, a player with EM will instinctively enter the Battle Phase in order to activate it. Also, your addition just reinforced what already had already been said in the previous sentence, so I deleted it because of redundancy. Stating that is as obvious as saying "Raigeki is more effective the more monsters your opponent controls". See? Not necessary.
Example (2): Using tokens to summmon Link monsters. At this point, with the popularity and frequent usage of Tokens as Link Materials, it is pointless to include a tip saying "hey, scapegoat can provide link materials, but be aware of activating it on the opponent's end phase". Another example was the Tips page of Stardust Dragon: it had things like "you can use this, this and this card to get rid of this monster", as Stardust Dragon was a force to be reckoned with. Maybe at the time of its release, when there were no Kaijus, nor other ways of removal that would bypass its negation effect, but now it is not just plainly powercreeped but also forgotten by all players, since no one in nowhere uses that monster. Without mentioning that nowadays a simple Called by the Grave could prevent it from negating a, say, Dark Hole.
Example (3): the Frog page. I cleaned it up because it had so mush garbage, irrelevant information, with weird kanjis that only native japanese players or fluent japanese speakers could read, as well as long-winded, powercreeped, outdated decklists. This happened many times in tips pages as well, like Sorcerer of Dark Magic.
I know where you're coming from and I had arguments with other editors regarding the cleaning up of pages, so believe me: when I do it is after reading carefully and considering the present state of the game. But I'll take your advice and pay even more attention before doing that :) GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 05:00, November 18, 2018 (UTC)


Thank you for your kind words! I agree with almost all what you said and on second thought you did well by deleting my tip on Evenly Matched. My speech was referring to "BLS Envoy of the Beginning" and "Needle Worm", when you chose to delete so many tips (that's was what I was scared about, not my few words on Evenly Matched :)).
Thank you again. If you don't mind, since you are so active in this Wiki, sometimes I will write you to ask you for advice on rulings: even if I have beeen playing for 10 years, sometimes I still have some doubts in certain situations. BR Marco.tomesani.1 (talkcontribs) 10:54, November 18, 2018 (UTC)
Hm, I see. I'll review my edit history and try to unveil why I removed each of those tips.
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning:
As a Warrior-Type LIGHT monster, this card can be recycled with "Beckoning Light" and "The Warrior Returning Alive".
This kind of tip is unhelpful because it only describes with a certain card does. It is like saying "As a monster, this card can be revived with "Monster Reborn"." or "As a Winged-Beast monster, this card can be tributed as cost for "Icarus Attack". Also, when a player use BLS, they intend to make the most of its effect or finish the game, so a scenario where BLS would need to be recycled from the Graveyard is not considered, so this tip, specifically for BLS, is pointless, even for casual players.
Use "Honest" when attacking your opponent's first and most powerful monster, then use the boosted ATK to crush your opponent's Life Points.
I sorta kept this one, but reworded it. Editors should avoid the use of personal, informal or biased terms like "you", "your", "crush", "most powerful" (this is relative, the most powerful opposing monster could be a Borreload Dragon, that would be immune to this card's banishing effect and if BLS attacks Borrel, it could reduce BLS's ATK and destroy it).
Fairly easy cards to dump to the Graveyard such as "D.D. Crow" and "Effect Veiler" can be used to help Summon this quickly.
As fast-paced as the game is right now, it is so easy to send LIGHT and DARK monsters to the Graveyard that this tip makes no sense. Also, BLS is commonly used in Decks capable of providing its fodders, so it is not necessary to point that out.
Equip "Armory Arm" to this card to inflict damage every time this card destroys a monster and raise its attack to 4000. If your opponent controls an Attack Position monster that hasn't modified its original ATK, destroying it in battle will always cause 4000 damage (difference in ATK + the damage inflicted by "Armory Arm"). If your opponent controls 2 (or more) Attack Position monsters that fit this condition OR controls only 1 Attack Position monster (so your second attack can be a direct attack), the ability to attacking twice of this card can perform an OTK. / As previously stated, if "Armory Arm" is not an option, running Equip Cards like "Vylon Prism" can help a lot in making it 4000 ATK during the Damage Step.
This falls into a fourth example that I forgot to mention: too specific combos. To equip this card with Armory Arm, the player must invest on the Summoning of that Synchro and hope it doesnt get destroyed by a MST, for example; the gamble has a high chance of not paying off. Also, the tip stated that "If your opponent controls an Attack Position monster that hasn't modified its original ATK", like, WTF? If a combo depends on what your opponent controls or has in their Graveyard, that combo is just bad. Players should avoid considering too specific situations in which the cards the opponent has play an important role in the success of the combo. The "sub-tip" was also bad: assuming the player could not count with Armory Arm, they should use Vylon Prism, a monster that would be almost as difficult to use, and also as vulnerable as Armory Arm.
The effect of "Summoner Monk" can be used to Special Summon any of the following Level 4 LIGHT Tuner monsters: "Raiden, Hand of the Lightsworn", "Guldfaxe of the Nordic Beasts", "Hyper Synchron", "Vylon Prism" (do not activate its effect), or "The Fabled Rubyruda". Then use both monsters to Synchro Summon any Level 8 Synchro Monster, and if the Synchro Materials are in your Graveyard, banish them to Special Summon this card from your hand. If a "Road Synchron" is Special Summoned, they can be used for a Synchro Summon of a Level 6 Synchro Monster instead.
Again, a too specific setup. The player would need to have BLS in the hand and a specific Level 4 to Special Summon a specific Level 4 LIGHT Tuner monster, so that they could Summon a Level 8 Synchro, and finally banish the Synchro materials to Summon BLS. Clunky, slow and full of oppenings, as an Ash Blossom could ruin that plan.
This card can be equipped with "Light Laser" to combine both the effects of this card without any of the drawbacks.
Who in Florida uses that card? As I said before, this card is meant to be used as a finisher, not a monster that will last enough to be combined with weird cards.
Use the effect of "Armageddon Knight" to easily get a DARK monster in the Graveyard for this card's Summoning.
The same as the "D.D. Crow/Effect Veiler" tip.
==Preventing/Countering "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning"==
This is just a Special Summon monster with a nice pair of effects. There is a shiton of ways to stop it, from a Solemn Strike (both the Summon and effect) to Effect Veiler, that could keep it at bay until the opponent's turn. Monsters like "Raidraptor - Ultimate Falcon" or "Blue-Eyes Chaos MAX Dragon" may need a "countering" section, as they pose a real threat to the survival of their opposing player and the more they stay alive, the less chance of winning the other player has. BLS is just a good, straightforward monster, but not invincible or with any kind of built-in protection.
Use "Graceful Charity" to send DARK and LIGHT Attribute monsters to the Graveyard to make the Summoning of this monster easier.
D.D. Crow/Effect Veiler.
After using its first effect of banishing a monster, activate "Metamorphosis" to turn this card into "Cyber Twin Dragon", "Gatling Dragon", etc.
This doesn't even make sense on acid.
Needle Worm
Use cards like "The Shallow Grave", "Dark Cat with White Tail", "Penguin Soldier", "Book of Moon", "Book of Eclipse", "Desertapir", "Tsukuyomi" and "Spear Cretin" to recycle the effect of "Needle Worm".
The same as the "Warrior Returning Alive" tip for BLS.
If you manage to activate this card's effect on your turn, activate "Assault on GHQ" after its effect goes off. This puts "Needle Worm" in the Graveyard for recovery later on in the Duel, and forces your opponent to discard another 2 cards from their Deck.
The same as the "Armory Arm" tip; for this combo to go off, you must (1) activate it on your turn and (2) activate a specific card. The rest of the tip is just foolishness, as its considers the option of recycling Needle Worm later in the duel, and WOW THE OPPONENT WILL LOSE 2 MORE CARDS, SO OP, TOO STRONK!! Also, nowadays the Graveyard is a second hand, full of resources to be used as soon as possible. A player may even thank an opponent that uses Needle Worm against them.
Once "Needle Worm" is either destroyed or Tributed, use "Soul Reversal" to return it to the top of the Deck.
Not only a "Armory Arm-esque" tip, but also too slow. Flip monsters are slow by themselves, needing to wait a turn to be used, not to mention the advantage this card can give to the opponent, the shitons of negating effects, or the scenario where the other player destroys them without flipping them up. Using a spell card to place it on top of the Deck, for it to be drawn on the next turn, set, flipped on the other turn........? How many turns? 4? For what? 10 cards milled? The opponent would have won the duel before Soul Reversal could be activated.
Using three copies of "Needle Worms" and a "Sauropod Brachion" with multiple copies of "Book of Eclipses" is a sure fire way to mill the opponent's Deck to nothingness.
Use at least 2 copies of "Needle Worms" with 3 copies of "Skull Invitation" and/or at least 3 copies of "Paralyzing Chain" to inflict heavy damage to the opponent while also milling their Deck.
If I had rolled my eyes any further, I would be looking ahead again.
That's it. BLS is not that powerful and Needle Worm has been powercrept in so many ways that those pages NEEDED to be cleaned up. Also, feel free to contact me! My discord username is GustaphMax#9810 and on weekends I play Ygopro :B GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 17:26, November 18, 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, on second thought I see your point and I agree with you :) It is true that you deleted many things, but none of them was so useful after all.
Please, don't kill me, one more question: do you think that even the tip that I wrote about Needle Worm was not useful? :(
It was: "This effect is useful, but sometimes it may turn against you, as you may send to the graveyard cards which becomes useful in the graveyard (e.g. 7-8 level monsters, Treeborn Frog, Electromagnetic Turtle, Skill Successor)".
I put it because at first sight a newcomer may not consider that potential danger.
I am sure this is obvious for an expert duelist, but it may not be so for a newcomer.


As I like to say to my "students" (my nephews and my cousins): "A good player must perfectly know every card of his deck. Every card must be thoroughly analyzed in order to find all its weak points."
Yes, I may understand that it is more a "warning" than a "tip", but I thought that some players would appreciate it.
Could you explain me your point of view, please? :)
Marco.tomesani.1 (talkcontribs) 17:39, November 18, 2018 (UTC)
yes, it was useless. Like the "The warrior returning alive" category. A deck-mill effect can always potentially help the opponent. What if you set Needle Worm on turn 1 just to find out on turn 2 that you are playing against a Lightsworn Deck? This kind of backfire can happen with ANY effect, so I particularly dont think it is worth mentioning. You can teach that to your students orally, when explaining the basics of the game, without mentioning that on a tips page. But that's my humble opinion. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 00:03, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I see your point. Thank you, dear! Marco.tomesani.1 (talkcontribs) 22:42, November 19, 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome :) GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 01:32, November 20, 2018 (UTC)

Adding this under the same topic. I understand that you are probably one of the more experienced members of the same community, and clearly an experienced player of many years (I am neither), but I just wanted to point out with Card Tips:Scapegoat that you may have deleted a couple of tips which naturally seem obvious to you and me (eg:Activating during your End Phase), but a new player might struggle to pick up on. While I agree these tips are indeed 'obvious', please bear in mind who the Tips section is likely aimed towards. Is it going to be an experienced player of 2 or more years looking for tips on how to use one of the format's most popular cards or the new guy whose just bought the starter deck? If these 'obvious' things are not in the Tips section, then this community risks becoming elitist. Wikis are meant for everyone, regardless of their playing ability. Anyway, I'm not going to make any reverts as I don't wish to descend into an edit war. I'll leave it to you as to what you do with it. Thanks for reading, --Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 20:57, November 21, 2018 (UTC).

Thanks for your contribution to this discussion and kinda I agree with you. I dont know, statistically, how many new players in fact come to the Tips Pages in order to learn in which situations to use certain cards. My point is that restrictions like that of Scapegoat or Pot of Duality are clearly written in the card text, so it is just a matter of reading carefully the cards from a starter Deck before starting to duel, instead of just blindly activating the cards without knowing what you're doing. Also, it is not the end of the world to make a mistake and learn from that mistake; a couple of days ago I, a experienced player that read the cards carefully, forgot that if a Spell/Trap card is activated in the same column of a previously set Infinite Impermanence, that card is negated. And it's ok. It's a kind of mistake that makes players dont forget a rule or restriction anymore and this just makes them grow mature and become more shrewd as they advance into the game. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 12:07, November 22, 2018 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I only really became aware of this as I had just added a "obvious" tip that Linkuriboh works well with it. It's things like that, little interactions between cards that are not immediately obvious to a new player. I was just using the End Phase thing as an example, perhaps a bad one, but my point is, a new player might well activate Scapegoat, Set 1/2 cards and pass, oblivious to something better. While it's "obvious" in hindsight, and clearly from reading the card and thinking for a while on the most appropriate timing, not all new players do that. A better example would be Linkuriboh. Yes, it's also included in the Starter Deck. But how many new players will reads the two cards and instantly spot a connection? There are loads of other examples out there, for instance Isolde and Equip Spells like Divine Sword or Cursed Bamboo Sword or using Knightmare Phoenix as a stepping stone for Unicorn to get 2 destructions. These combos are often "obvious" only in hindsight, and that is especially the case for a new player. Anyway, thanks for reading. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 18:15, November 23, 2018 (UTC)
There are loads of other examples out there. That's the core of the discussion. If we are going to include a tip regarding the activation timing of Scapegoat and its interaction with Linkuriboh, why not to include that Call of the Haunted can be used to revive a monster whose effect triggers when it is Special Summoned? Why not to say that generic effects that revive monsters are most of the times useless in Pendulum Decks? Why not to state that Twin Twisters can discard a monster whose effect can be later activated in the grave? Why not to say that Book of moon cant touch Link monsters? Why not to remember that Ash Blossom is a Tuner and can be revived by Mezuki to assist a Synchro Summon? All those interactions and possibilities can be easily infered just by reading the cards or after being introduced to the basics of the game mechanic as a whole (starter decks come with a rulebook), or to be more honest and blunt, after using some neurons: "— Hey, Ash is a zombie tuner and Mezuki revives zombies, so I guess i can revive my Ash after using its effect and perform a synchro summon!" "— I need that Destiny HERO - Malicious in my grave! how about i just discard it as a cost for my twin twisters and destroy 2 backrows in the process?!" It is not that hard for new players to have that kind of reasoning and if we are going to cover all the possible interactions some cards have, not only the pages will become polluted and difficult to read, but also the newcomers wont have the rich experience of learning from their mistakes and growing in the game, since all the information will be at hand in the wiki (assuming all new players come regularly to tips page). GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 02:22, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

Ok, this is getting a little stupid. While my edit to Card Tips:Heavymetalfoes Electrumite had some problems, as you pointed out correctly, just deleting it outright rather than correcting it just seems rude. The fact it's another "obvious" interaction to you, is irrelevant to a new player. How can they pick out Chronograph out of the 239 (and rising) Pendulum monsters that could be played with this card at the moment? The only way is read through the official card search, which could take a good 25-30 minutes at least. And trust me, I've tried it. You miss more than you spot.

And the reasoning behind why you are doing this? "the pages will become polluted and difficult to read". Agreed, such things can happen. But Elecrumite's page had NOTHING of relevance on it. Sometimes, a page can need a clean up (and for some older cards, that clean-up is overdue). Yes, I have seen examples where the page was 3 times screen size. Clean up those instead.

"the newcomers wont have the rich experience of learning from their mistakes and growing in the game, since all the information will be at hand in the wiki" That "rich experience" consists of spending day after day getting thumped while trying to learn to play the game. This happened to me TWICE, once in 2007, once in 2016 when I came back, since the game had changed a ton. I went from Pre-DAD format to running into Domain of the Monarchs lockdown. And how much helpful information could I have found here to get me up to speed with the current meta, if I had come back in mid-2018? Try none. How to put people off a game 101. People play this game, naturally enough, because they want to win. Teach them as much as you can, and they won't waste their time trying to figure out such basic interactions as Chronograph/Electrumite (and Linkuriboh/Scapegoat, but besides the point), and instead can learn the important stuff of what to do in the nitty-gritty of a tough game. All beginners will make mistakes there, and no amount of tips will change that. Let that be the "rich experience" of losing a closely-fought game, rather than struggling to make it to Turn 3.

"(assuming all new players come regularly to tips page)" And this is why they don't. Let me tell you a story. It's February 2018. I love the design of F.A.s and decide to build them. I go straight to the wiki. I find NOTHING, except irrelevant advice that made my build worse. So I went on YouTube, found dezeef's F.A. deck, and was playing a low-tier meta standard build (and not just a copy-paste) inside 30 minutes. You might argue that's because F.A.s are an unknown Deck. No-one puts effort into pages of bad Decks. but when Altergeists, Gouki and Sky Strikers have nothing useful on their page, there's a problem (which I think I made some progress to solving). And your response to that problem is to "declutter" pages of important cards with nothing on them. Why? The Tips pages aren't for you! There're not for me! Unless you've just seen a card for the first time, you'll never go to the Tips page of a card. New players go to those pages.

So, if you want to carry on deleting tips, I have 2 suggestions. 1. Offer up your own replacement advice instead of just deleting tips saying "They're obvious". If you take something away, add something better to replace it, else everyone's just worse off for no reason other than your personal viewpoint. 2. Alternatively, carry your dogma to its logical conclusion, and blank the wiki. That way beginners can have more rich experiences trying to learn what to do when Extra Linked. Or learning about how not to lose to Reincarnation/Droll&Lock. But in that case, they won't. They'll just do what I did, and go watch YouTube.

Anyway, have a nice day. Hope I gave you some food for thought. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 18:56, December 13, 2018 (UTC)

hm i agree with you, thanks. I took my dogma too seriously and went too far deleting the Chronograph Sorcerer tip, sorry. :) GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 01:18, December 14, 2018 (UTC)


On Pot of Indulgence

Please see Card_Tips_talk:Pot_of_Indulgence. Theotherguytm (talkcontribs) 13:37, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

Tip

I've noticed this bickering for some time. I'll leave a message on that talk page. Energy X 19:44, January 23, 2019 (UTC)

Now he is being annoying on Card Tips:Zoodiac Broadbull. GustaphMax (talkcontribs) 17:22, January 24, 2019 (UTC)
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