Dinoguy1000

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Infobox character

Could you add a ko_trans_name in the Infobox character, since it not there. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 00:23, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Done. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:48, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 04:10, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Mobile Editing Difficulties

Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask, but I can't seem to do any edits from my mobile device. I edit the code, but when I click "Publish" it always comes up with the message "Something went wrong." I'm clueless as to what's causing it and it's been happening for almost a month now, do you have any idea what's wrong? Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 09:09, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately not, since I never edit from mobile. Are your edits actually being saved, even though you get an error on trying to save, or is nothing at all working? In either case, the only thing that can be done here is to report the problem to staff. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 15:11, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Nah, they're not saving. I click "Publish" and it pops up with the error message and grays "Publish" out and I'm unable to proceed.

All right, I'll just check with them. Thanks. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 20:19, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Affiliations

Hello! I'm from the FCB Wiki. I would like to request to be affiliated with your wiki. Here is our wordmark.

Thanks! J.J. Chambers 21:45, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

September 2012

I really don't want to start any fights or anything, but why did you undo my edit for the OCG's September 2012 Lists? I thought that, with the exception of the Japanese text I removed, would make it more presentable. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 02:02, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Bolding the changed cards is completely redundant to the "Changes" section. The practice of bolding is nothing more than a holdover from other websites that did the same thing without providing a concise summary of which cards were changed and how, as we do now.

The header level I'm a bit less certain about; while I currently lean towards the extra level being unnecessary, I don't feel particularly strongly about it and could be swayed in the other direction.

Also, to expand on the topic of Japanese names/text and the lists while I have your attention, it's not necessary to have Japanese card names on the TCG-only lists, since by their very nature they don't/didn't apply in Japan. I haven't gone through the lists systematically to remove them all yet, but I think I've done one or two; if you start working on the TCG lists some time down the line, though, feel free to remove them as you go. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:53, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

While your reason may make sense, I kind of like doing these lists the way I usually do them (though most recently, I've removed the Japanese text from the headers on both the OCG and TCG-exclusive Lists), mostly because bolding the changes would be easier to notice. Frankly, I blame myself; old habits are hard to break.

But in your honest opinion, should I remove the Japanese kanji from the TCG-exclusive Lists? --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 04:07, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Are you saying you'd prefer to keep the bolding, then, or just commenting on how you're used to it? Your comment kind of reads both ways, so it's not really clear. =X

It should be removed, but it's not critical - it doesn't really hurt anything by being there, it's just superfluous information, which is why I didn't say you had to remove it as you went. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 15:51, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

It's moreover a bit of both: Something I prefer to keep, and something I'm used to. But I think I'll remove the Japanese names from the TCG-exclusive lists, if you think it best. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 01:19, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Can you give any good arguments for keeping the bolding? As I said originally, it's redundant to the "Changes" table, which unambiguously shows which cards changed status and provides more detail. In addition, it's completely unnecessary for the "Unlimited" section, since we only list cards that were changed to Unlimited and therefore all of the cards listed there have changed status; if, because of this, we stopped bolding the cards listed there, but continued bolding them under the other headers, that would be inconsistent and potentially confusing. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:59, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I'll remove all the unnecessary bolding. But should I remove the Japanese names from the TCG-exclusive Lists, too? --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 17:11, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:26, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Adminship

Thanks. ^^ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 14:01, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Template:Sacred

What happened to the "sacred card" archetype thing? The one that listed the Egyptian gods, Exodia, Signer Dragons etc?

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Felix —This unsigned comment was made by NervousShipper (talk • contribs) 06:57, October 9, 2015‎

I think you're talking about {{Sacred}}, which was deleted a couple years ago (by me, though I'd forgotten I did that). All it was was a list of monster groups without any clear connection, just a vague sense of "these are really powerful". If you need the list for some reason, I can provide it to you, but the template won't be getting restored without some very good reasons. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:48, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Portable infoboxes

Heya :) I see you worked with DaNASCAT back in late July to try to work out a way to use portable infobox code here at Yu-Gi-Oh! Since development stopped soon after the last comment at Forum:Portable Infoboxes, I was just wondering if there were any problems that you couldn't figure out. We've made a lot of changes to the portable infobox code since the summer, so it may well be that you'll find making a second run at Template:Infobox/Draft will be easier than you remember.

I'll just point out, as well, that the time you stopped working on portable infoboxes was the high-water mark for mobile uniques here. On 1 August you had nearly a million uniques on mobile devices. That number is now about ~750k — a pretty big slide of around 25%. We think a part of this decrease can be attributed to pages that start with infoboxes that aren't really adequate to the mobile experience. People whose first browse of YGO reveals a somewhat unattractive infobox at the top of a page may well not be inclined to continue looking at the wiki.

Happily, we're in a really good period of development with infoboxes! We have established robust lines of communication with our core engineers. If we hit roadblocks, we'll therefore be able to get quick answers from the people who are actually developing our backend code!

So please don't hesitate to ask any questions at all! I think we'll be able to make some real progress with genuine speed. — CzechOut 17:29, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

I have to be honest, I more-or-less ran out of steam after the last comment in that forum thread, when I stopped receiving feedback and realized I would be working on the port basically on my own (not that I'm blaming Tim for that or anything; I don't do anything compared to how much he does =D ). At the time, I had three major concerns with PI: proper support for inline styles and classes on individual parts of infoboxes, an ability to work with PI via Lua, and an ability to emulate the child navbox behavior from our current {{Infobox}} using PI (which sufficiently robust interaction with Lua would allow to be addressed). As I mentioned in the forum thread several times, what I really want to be able to achieve with PI is to only do one conversion ever - Infobox itself - and then just continue to work on converting our individual infoboxes to using Infobox as a metatemplate. I do not, for example, have any desire to try to switch {{Infobox character}} from using Infobox as a metatemplate to directly using PI; it would be far simpler to allow it to continue using Infobox, and just convert Infobox directly, so that Infobox character automatically gets converted with minimal or no changes required to it (I believe this simplifies everything in the long run: because all the logic on whether and when to show a particular cell happens in Infobox character, and Infobox just displays whatever it's given for a particular cell, it means the meat of the processing can happen in Infobox character and whatever values fall out of that get handed straight back to Infobox, which plunks them right into the PI markup, and no one has to worry about how the various parser functions interact with the PI markup, since they've all already resolved; in addition, any such solution we develop here should be broadly applicable across much of the rest of Wikia (with or without some further simplification to remove features that only we and a scant few other wikis use), greatly simplifying infobox development efforts in the long run).

One thing I would like to see is the HTML tags that PI uses added to the parser's whitelist (looking at Help:Infoboxes/Tags, I think the necessary tags would just be aside, figure, figcaption, caption (which appears to be whitelisted but seems to currently just be silently stripped by the parser outside of tables) and nav) - there's a Phabricator ticket for them and a number of other HTML5 tags to be added to the whitelist in vanilla MediaWiki, with the blocker being IE≤8 support, but I'm not sure how much of a concern that is for Wikia, especially given PI is using the tags. This would allow for work on PI-compatible templates and modules without being limited to whatever the PI markup actually plays nice with (though, because the HTML would be hardcoded, it would mean that future changes to the HTML underlying PI's markup would have to be manually applied, so that wouldn't be a general solution for most wikis).

While I won't argue that our infoboxes are contributing to the drop in mobile traffic, they're definitely not the whole picture, as you hinted at yourself. I suspect that a bigger reason for the drop is our current implementation of {{CardTable2}}, which is just a single huge table. It's due to be replaced eventually by the {{Card table}} system, but there's a huge amount of work that has to be done before we're at that point and it's going to take a long time to get there. In the meantime, I've toyed with the idea of changing CT2 to instead use divs for everything but the actual data part, but haven't tried switching it yet because I'm a bit leery of the CSS work it would require. But I'd be willing to bet that even that small of a change now would help to recapture some of the lost mobile traffic over the long term (not to mention it should also slightly reduce the amount of markup CT2 generates).

I'm quite certain I managed to talk a lot here without actually giving many satisfactory answers, though, so please ask me to clarify or explain anything you might need. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:31, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Hey man! I just wanted to touch bases and let you know that you have not been forgotten. I was just working on your ticket today. Unfortunately, our guys in Poland got hella busy back in late October, and they just ran out of time before they could help you out. While I and some other people can help you build infoboxes, I'm particularly intrigued by your question about adding to the parser's whitelist. This seems an important observation to me, and something we definitely want to get an answer from Engineering about, since it is not within my personal power to actually make such a change.

So that question has been pushed again to them. I'm hoping for an answer soon on that. Their next window of availability comes somewhere after about the 7th of December, so hopefully we'll get an answer on that front before Christmas. But understand that we've never done this kind of direct outreach of engineers to communities before, so it's possible that our reach might exceed our grasp, just as it did in October. If so, don't hesitate to reach out to me and ask me what the hell is going on. :) See, the problem is that you and other power users like you are so damned smart that we end up spending so much time with each community that our schedule gets absolutely destroyed!

On other matters in your above post, if you had some specific questions about Lua/PI interaction, I could pass them on to our engineering staff. In the meantime, I encourage you to visit w:c:portability, if you haven't already. There, in the forums, you'll find a group of power users like yourself debating matters of Lua/PI interaction. They've found some highly intriguing solutions that might well interest you.

Finally, on the issue of a meta-template like {{infobox}}, I'm going to propose something that might not immediately strike you as sensible. Because PI coding is comparatively simple, there is no real need for the {{#switch}}-ed out meta template anymore. The faster route to success is really the opposite of what you'd do with traditional infobox coding. We actively recommend that you just break up your meta template into separate, specific templates. It's genuinely faster, easier and lighter on page load times. — CzechOut 02:36, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

If you'd like my opinion on the topic of whitelisted HTML, I think it's probably best for new features to try to stick with what's already on the whitelist, and if a new feature really needs to use a non-whitelisted tag for whatever reason, to take a good look at whether there's any reason to not just whitelist that tag as well. I understand it's out of your say, but you should at least be able to float the idea around a bit. =)

Seeing you say that got me curious, and I checked whether we're contacts on Skype. Turns out, not only are we, but we've discussed infoboxes a bit in the past! If I'm remembering the context correctly from the CC Skype group, I'd been bemoaning the lack of a Wikia-supported metatemplate, instead requiring everyone to work with raw wikitables; you then messaged me to encourage me to develop one and write a blog post about it. =)

I was aware of the portability wiki, but haven't been keeping up with the discussions there; I'll have to take a look at them and see what's been going on.

That's actually kind of what our {{Infobox}} already does: each of the rows uses {{Infobox/row}} for the actual rendering, which vastly cuts down the amount of code required in Infobox itself (especially given there's 80 rows supported). I'm also no stranger to the idea of using a modular metatemplate system; our older infoboxes use a system developed by Dantman back in 2007 or 2008 (I'm not sure of the exact dates since IIRC the system was developed on another wiki that no longer exists, and was ported to a number of different anime/manga wikis as part of a long-defunct collaboration that said wiki served as the hub for), and when I was active on Wikipedia, I helped to maintain and develop new features for the animanga infobox, which is also modular (though not a metatemplate). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:51, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Heya :) I sent your whitelisting opinions skyward on Monday, and they're being discussed internally. Obviously US Thanksgiving is getting somewhat in the way of full discussion this week, but hopefully I'll have something to report back next week.

On the matter of having something like a central {{infobox}} that then #switch-es its way into more specific infoboxes, or even specific instances that leverage the power of meta infoboxes (however people wanna play that), you're absolutely right to remember discussions we had earlier in the decade about that. Indeed, I think such things make a lot of sense — for the old way of doing infoboxes.

However, in the current PI system, it's massively easier to steer clear of all that. The major strategy of the old school wikitext meta-infobox was to basically make it so all of one's code complexity was within a single infobox, like {{infobox}}. The specific infoboxes could then be super simple, because all they had to do was call {{infobox}}.

Since PIs have #if structures inherent, as well as a number of other automatic features, it's less work to ignore {{infobox}} and just build new infoboxes. After completing a couple of PIs, one finds that the exercise becomes no more difficult than just cutting and pasting one's successfully rebuilt PIs. And let's face it, that's pretty much all one was doing in the meta infobox era, anyway. One grabbed the code of the, say, character infobox and plopped it onto the location infobox, and then one changed the variables as necessary.

I'm not speaking theoretically here. I've been working on the Fallout Wiki a lot this past week, and that's exactly what I've done. Cutting {{infobox}} out of the action hasn't been painful or controversial, really. And I find that the code is generally pretty easy to read — certainly less dense than what you'd find in something like {{infobox}}.

Moreover, our engineering department is, at the moment, very easily swayed by the opinions of early adopters. So when you find something that doesn't work, sending in a Special:Contact — or talking to me and having me ticket it directly — actually does produce results. The answer is sometimes "no", of course, but we're actively soliciting and answering feedback in a way that I've never seen in all the time I've been using the Wikia platform. And that goes all the way back to the beginning, really.

So, all of this is to say that, while I was a strong proponent of the meta infobox solution a few years ago, I pretty much see it as unnecessary today. Speaking as an admin, and not as staff, I'd find it particularly objectionable to continue with a system whose history was as murky as the one your older templates currently use. Switching to PI code means that you'll know the exact origins of the code, and you'll be able to provide maintenance delivered with full knowledge of the history of the code.

Just stuff to chew on. Get it? Thanksgiving. Chewing. Ugh. Finding puns around Thanksgiving is easy. Finding good ones is as difficult as finding live turkeys. — CzechOut 15:41, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oh! Almost forgot. I just wanted to get some clarity on {{card table}} situation. I read your earlier statements as effectively saying that development on PIs was impossible without resolving the transition to {{card table}}. Was I right to have done so? Or could we possibly divorce the two things? That is, could we switch to PIs, leaving the {{card table}} component out of them until it can get resolved. And could you please better define the work that's necessary to make the transition? — CzechOut 15:51, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

While simplifying markup is one reason for using templates, they are used to centralise code. If an update, such as now, is necessary, is it not just as well to only have to change one thing?

Regarding metatemplates' parsers taking a toll on load times, {{infobox}} uses #switch: zero times, but does use #if: a lot. Although, wouldn't it use considerably less, if switched to using portable infobox markup? -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:58, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

I think this is something we're going to just have to disagree on; I simply can't imagine a scenario where things are made easier by not using a metatemplate where one was previously used (that is not to say there aren't other reasons not to use metatemplates in specific cases, but it's a case-by-case thing and, in my experience, ease of editing never works out to be in favor of such a switch). This is not necessarily a deal-breaker for me, and the rest of the community may in fact disagree with me on its importance, but as things stand now I don't see PI having enough benefit to outweigh the downside of loss of a metatemplate.

I also disagree with your comparison of reading PI infoboxes with reading {{Infobox}}; that is comparing article-editor-facing templates with a template-editor-facing template, and is not at all a fair comparison to make. {{Infobox}} by its nature is not meant to be edited regularly, since it has been rigorously tested via Wikipedia (meaning having to fix bugs should be a rare to nonexistent occurrence), is thoroughly documented (meaning editors should rarely if ever have to actually read its code to find out how to do something or why the template is or isn't doing what they want), and has a robust feature set that can support the vast majority of infobox requirements (meaning edits to add needed features should be rare); this is borne out by its edit history here, which consists of updating the template from Wikipedia's copy and fixing a single bug that doesn't occur on WP because of their use of HTML Tidy. By comparison, individual infoboxes are far more likely to be edited by people who are far less familiar with the obscure intricacies of wikimarkup, for any of the three reasons I outlined already, and when that happens they shouldn't have to worry about navigating through the code responsible for displaying the infobox itself in order to understand the code that handles the information the infobox is menat to display.

I may have confused you with my mention of our older infoboxes, and for that I apologize; I was not trying to suggest we are wanting to continue using them indefinitely, and in fact we have been working (gradually) on replacing them with {{infobox}}-based templates for some time now. I am right there with you in having little desire to use a system with a hazy history, especially when we have an alternate system which is pretty clearly superior.

Same for my comments on {{Card table}}: I'm definitely not suggesting that we can't do anything with PI until we get that sorted. PI and the card tables are entirely separate from each other, in fact, and it would be inappropriate to try and use PI for them, unless we wanted to completely restructure how our card pages work to begin with (and maybe we will at some point in the future, but I don't think anyone wants to do something that drastic at this point). What I was saying is that our card articles, most of which currently use {{CardTable2}}, undoubtedly account for a significant portion of our traffic, both on desktop and mobile, and that therefore improving that situation might have a better immediate return on investment than our infoboxes. However, updating that is somewhat slow going because we're not just updating existing templates, but writing entirely new ones and splitting pages as we go, and the final updating of CardTable2 to a {{card table}}-based replacement will be one of the final steps of the whole thing. I do have some ideas for further improvements to the new system, which among other things should make it more mobile-friendly, I just haven't taken the time to prototype them (but among them are a replacement for the current Tabber system which would allow mobile devices to only download one tab's worth of content (but which would require some custom JS to actually function, which is what's been putting me off of actually trying it out), and some ruminations on using a definition list instead of a table for the information shown alongside the image). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:59, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Removal of Anime Lore

I have a question Dinoguy1000. Why exactly do you remove the anime lore of each card under your Dinobot1000 account?

It should be noted, that the anime effects are interresting trivia as well as giving insight, why the cards in question needed to be nerfed in question for the OCG/TCG.

As such the anime lore should be moved to either a different section or to their own pages.

Also, there are players, which make use of the anime lore for DevPRO/YGOPRO and DuelNetwork for their own duels. Thus their existence is also a boon for players, which can experience what the anime originals feel like. Thanatos-Zero (talk • contribs) 12:53, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Nevermind this entry. I just found the anime pages. They weren't as visible as I hoped to be. Thanatos-Zero (talk • contribs) 13:18, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

If you have suggestions for improving their visibility, I'd love to hear them! That's a known problem, but we're short on ideas for how to improve the situation, unfortunately. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 13:52, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

There is one. We can add at the top following sentence: "If you are looking for the card with the anime effects go here "Name of the Card (Anime)"."Thanatos-Zero (talk • contribs) 16:50, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't scale, though; some cards have a number of articles covering a specific version, and that number is only going to increase. For example, Dark Magician currently has pages for its manga, Toei anime, NAS anime, DDM anime, Bandai, Bandai Sealdass, Labyrinth Battle Game, Forbidden Memories, Duelists of the Roses, and BAM versions, and there will be additional pages created in the future as we continue to split out individual release types from {{CardTable2}}.

There may be a case to be made for calling specific attention to "major" or very important versions of a card, but in that case we have the problem of deciding what the threshold for "major"/"important" is. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:54, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Asian Tournament Promos: 2001#Second National Conference

If you believe these cards are counterfeit, I urge you to provide proof for that statement (since Kevin Tewart hasn't done so). If these cards are fake what were the original prizes for that tournament? Thanks Fensterhoff (talk • contribs) 21:39, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

I think you're confusing acknowledgment with agreement. He said that Tewart claimed the cards were fake. He didn't say the cards are fake. The Wikipedia article on Hitler acknowledges that he believed the Holocaust victims were socially undesirable sub humans. That doesn't mean it's saying he was right. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:19, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know why you brought Hitler in this conversation, it's not like he is a trusted public figure who people listen to in our time. The facts are that Mr. Tewart hadn't provided any proof. And if there is no proof then I don't see why should this information even belong on that Wikia page misleading people (because people take his word for granted). There is a separate page for what Kevin Tewart had claimed for anybody who cares what he says: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Kevin_Tewart Fensterhoff (talk • contribs) 22:55, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

As Delt said. My personal position is that I simply don't know enough to draw a conclusion for myself whether the cards are fake or not. This doesn't change the fact that Tewart has publicly stated they're fake, and that he did so while acting as a representative of Konami. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:35, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

I understand what your position is, but what I don't understand is why should we further mislead people to believe a statement that is not proven to be true? Isn't the purpose of this community to form a realistic perception? Because what I see has the exact opposite effect. Thanks Fensterhoff (talk • contribs) 22:55, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

As written, the statement is perfectly clear that it's something that Tewart said and not necessarily objectively true by itself. If someone really doesn't understand that the phrase "[person] said that [thing]" means, literally, that the person said a thing, and that thing may not necessarily be true even though the person said it, it's their problem and not ours. As it is, Tewart's role in relation to the franchise, and the content and context of his statement, mean it is fully appropriate to make note of it there. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:35, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

Egyptian God

Sorry about that, I didn't realize that I'd zapped yours off the page. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 02:09, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Not a problem, it's not like it was a complicated edit or anything. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:22, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism report

Hi,
I would like to report vandalism by this user.

Regards,
--Memmon^{(talk)(report)} 20:04, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Completed by Jr Mime --Memmon^{(talk)(report)} 21:17, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Hide Factbox

Hey Dinoguy,

Thank you so much for your explanation. Initially, I wasn't sure what its purpose was; although I assumed that it did serve a purpose on some pages. Anyway, I'll be sure not touch them just in case. Thanks again for your help, =) --ToonPegasus (talk • contribs) 01:00, December 27, 2015 (UTC)

List "Template"

Hi Dino! I tried to use your template for creating Lists. I created this page, but it was a bit messy at first. For instance, Yang Zing Unleashed is a Continuous Trap, so it appeared Trap Card, Continuous Trap Card instead of only Continuous Trap Card. Did I do something wrong, or is this a problem with the template itself? Pendulum (talk • contribs) 14:28, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

It's a problem with the template, kind of; I'll have to do some work to make it work better. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:21, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

So, should I use the template nevertheless, or could I, say, copy the already existing SP NECH list and change the SP to FR and adapt it to create the FR NECH list? Is there any problem if I do that? I know the title would be a bit different than with your template, though. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 18:16, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

Copying should be fine, as long as you make sure to update all the relevant bits (for example, you'll also have to make sure you change the category from e.g. Spanish to French). As for the template itself, I should be able to look at getting it straightened out sometime in the next couple of days. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:26, January 16, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thank you, Dino! Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:40, January 16, 2016 (UTC)

Red Links on Lists

Hey. There are some red links on this page, leading to some deleted card galleries, apparently. Don't know if this is the best way to call the attention to them, but don't know how I should proceed and you seem to be here now. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:10, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

I've gotten both of the redlinks I saw; let me know if you spot any others anywhere. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:22, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Sure! Thank you very much. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:35, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Set Card Galleries/Lists Headers

Hi! I have a question: How should the headers/titles be presented?
Should they be:

Or:

I've seen both being used. I'm aware your Templates use the latter, but I've seen other users (including myself) updating old galleries/lists using the former, so I'm a bit confused with the one that should be used, because I don't like some pages using one and other using the other.
So, which one is preferred and should be used? Personally, I like the second one the most. It may have one more line, but the Wiki is majority in English. The names of the cards are in English and then, below it, have the name in their own language, so I think the second option makes more sense. It's more in agreement with the rest of the Wiki. It also prevents people from clicking on a link they can't be exactly sure what it means. Though maybe the font for the second line could be a bit smaller than 120%.
Here are two examples, respectively: Astral Pack Six French Gallery; Astral Pack Seven French Gallery.
Hope I made myself clear; English is not my first language. Thank you for your time! Pendulum (talk • contribs) 12:39, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

The second version (the one the boilerplate uses) is the one that's supposed to be used. The boilerplate represents the current preferred version, and when a template is eventually created to automatically format set galleries/lists (something I should really take care of already), it will be based on the boilerplate.

Good point on the font size of the localized name; would having it be the same size as the third line be acceptable, or did you have a different size in mind?

Don't worry, you're perfectly understandable. =) Out of curiosity, what is your native language, though? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:47, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I'll update everything I see to that version, when I have the time, then.

I tried at 110%, but it was still too big, I'd say. The same size as the third line seems fine. But maybe in bold too, because the italics makes it seem too thin, I think. Well, it would be interesting to see other people's opinions too.

My native language is Portuguese.

And thanks for your answer, Dino! Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:28, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I'll reduce the text size to 100%.

I'm a little bit worried about bolding Japanese, Korean, and Chinese names, but maybe that's just me. They don't (or at least shouldn't) get italicized, so that helps some, at least. Guess I'll just go with it and we'll see how it turns out.

Cool, we definitely need more Portuguese editors. =) If you aren't already, is there any chance you could work some on checking/adding Portuguese card names and lores? Since Konami's card database doesn't list Portuguese releases (hopefully it will eventually), we don't really have any source for them other than card images, and it's a lot slower for someone who doesn't speak/read Portuguese to copy them than for someone who does. (Also, if you're interested, there's a Portuguese wiki that could use some more attention, too.) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:13, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I'm not aware of those technical difficulties. Yeah, there's nothing like experimenting. You're the man here, you know what's best.

What do you mean exactly with adding Portuguese card names and lores? You mean find official ones and add them only, or also translate them and add the {{Unofficial name|Region}} tag? Because I could try to translate them, but having official ones is hard for me too, since I don't buy Portuguese cards nor I have any ones. Ah, thanks for that link. I'm a bit busy at the moment to spend too much time around the Wikis, though. But I'll try to give a hand whenever I can! Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:13, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Preferably official names/lores, since we're still missing a fair few of both, though if it would be a problem for you, don't worry about it too much (it's not like I'm in any position to demand others do work around here, after all =D ). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:35, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Hahah! Ok, I'll see what I can do. Thanks again! Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:43, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Just to let you know I updated the DUEA galleries/lists and it seems the Japanese/Korean names do get italicized. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 14:04, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

It looks like you're using an older version of the boilerplate; be sure you copy from the latest version. If you're using the right version, the language codes used in {{Card table}} should be lowercase (e.g. "en", "fr", etc.) instead of upper case (e.g. "EN", "FR", etc.). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:04, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, oopsie. Ok, thanks for pointing it out. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:43, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Ebon Magician Curran summoning

Hi, I'm new to Yugioh wika and I'm hoping to find an answer as to whether or not the effect of Ebon Illusion Magician can special summon Gemini spellcasters that are in the graveyard as they are considered to be "normal monsters" when there? --CobraC13 (talk • contribs) 23:45, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the wiki, CobraC13~ Unfortunately, I'm not the person to ask for rulings-related questions, as I don't play the game myself and thus my understanding of some of the mechanics is shaky at best. If you haven't already, though, see if any of the rulings on Card Rulings:Ebon Magician Curran are relevant to your question, and if that doesn't help, try asking in the ruling queries forum. Sorry, and good luck! 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:35, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Toon World non-English name glitch?

Sorry to bother you again. There seems to be a problem with the application of the region name template (don't know the real name of it) on Toon World's name.
For instance: {{Card name|Toon World|fr}} should output: Monde des Toons. But outputs: Monde des Toons. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:45, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

It's a known problem; for quite a while Toon World has been acting up like this, and nothing we've tried has been able to fix it (some of our attempts have actually made the problem worse). We're going to have to ask staff if they can look into it, if they haven't been asked already. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:59, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Hum, seems really complicated. The same happens with Blackwing - Steam the Cloak.

Pendulum (talk • contribs) 12:02, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Oops, forget it. It was a small problem with the input. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:21, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Reply

I was just asking so calm down please

--Torimay24 (talk • contribs) 03:09, January 26, 2016 (UTC)Torimay24

I'm not upset or anything, I was just letting you know what the wiki's policy is. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:59, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

List

Yo there. Tiny issue, I'm not familiar with the coding for lists so I'm messing stuff up in my attempts haha, I think we should modify Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V The Strongest Duelist Yuya!! chapter listing a bit, mostly removing the "chapter name" parameters, since the series have no chapter names, and that's making the list come out pretty awkward. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:00, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

I'll have a look later, though the chapter/episode lists have always been pretty low-priority for me (though on the other hand I've intended to look at overhauling them for years). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:08, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Chinese and Japanese fonts

This isn't really a priority but it's something that has been something that has been bugging me for some years

The coding for Japanese and Chinese fonts isn't good, the fonts looks pixely and jarred, and pmingliu (the chinese font) doesn't blend well with the design of the wiki because it's a serif font. I believe that they would look a lot better if this was added to MediaWiki:Wikia.css

.cardtable :lang(zh) {
    font-family: "Microsoft YaHei New", "Microsoft Yahei", "微软雅黑", 宋体, SimSun, STXihei, "华文细黑", sans-serif;
}


.cardtable :lang(ja) {
    font-family: "HiraKakuPro-W3", "Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro W3", "Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro", "ヒラギノ角ゴ Pro W3", "メイリオ", Meiryo, "游ゴシック", YuGothic, "ＭＳ Ｐゴシック", "MS PGothic", "ＭＳ ゴシック", "MS Gothic", sans, sans-serif;
}

So yeah, this is just a suggestion, but it would make the text a lot more aesthetically pleasing. Thank you for your time :)
Mediarahan (talk • contribs) 21:20, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

I've made the change as you requested. I don't have most (possibly any) of the specific fonts installed on my machine, but have to say, even just the sans-serif fallback looks better than the old fonts did. Is there a source you pulled these font stacks from, and do you have any similar recommendations for Korean text as well? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:50, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

These fonts are all system fonts that should work on new and old versions of Windows and OSX. As for sources i used this for chinese. For Japanese i pretty much copied the font-family tag from jisho's css. Sadly I don't know much about Korean system fonts except for Malgun Gothic. Googling something like "Korean web fonts" should probably help though. Mediarahan (talk • contribs) 22:10, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

Several Stuff

Hey, Dinoguy. Me again to bother you with several stuff. When it's something more technical I'll come either to you or Deltaneos, probably. And instead of being boring you every once in a while, this time I assembled some stuff to throw at you at once, so here it is:

• As you can see here, Deskbot 005 French name won't display. I haven't been able to understand why yet. Something similar applies here for the Empowered Japanese names. However, their names appear here. They also appear on that table several times.
  I copied part of the tables to here, to facilitate visually. It's probably just something dumb that I'm not being able to see;

• If a booster pack has a Super Edition, for some reason, it won't be displayed. For example, "The New Challengers" booster has a Super Edition. If you click Edit, you'll see it has "| super_edition = true", but nothing will be displayed in the page;

• Another thing is I created this. Something is wrong with the link name on the Aether page. And I found the page for Aether members already existed.

• Last but not least, I expanded your Set List template into 300 entries (because I needed to use it with more than 200 entries) and provided it here. Do you have any objection on this? Do you want me to give credit in a different way? I shouldn't use it? Is it too much text to provide on a page? Am I providing it wrong? It's not necessary to provide this? If something is wrong/not in the best way, I would appreciate you to tell me. Thanks.

And thanks for your time. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 12:51, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and there's this. It doesn't seem very correct. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 14:48, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

You don't have to worry about only dropping stuff on me when you've got several things; if you notice something, go ahead and let me know. =)

The problem with Deskbot 005 is that for some reason, the French name isn't being stored by Semantic MediaWiki (SMW) - see Special:Browse/Deskbot 005, where you'll notice there is no "French name" entry. I'm not sure what's going on here, and null-editing doesn't fix it (and it's not an invisible control character causing this, either, since I tried retyping the name, which didn't produce any changes).

The Empowered monsters are also acting like that because of SMW, though not for the same reason. The difference between the set list and the Pendulum Monster list is because the contents of the set list are manually listed, while the Pendulum Monster list uses something called a query, which automatically finds and lists all the pages that meet a certain criterium (in this case, all pages for Pendulum Monsters). There's a way to fix this, but I can't remember for sure how.

I can assure you there's no shame in not being able to see the problem here. =) SMW tends to act up in several non-obvious ways that have the end result of information not displaying, or being displayed multiple times; we've had these problems with some pages for months now, if not longer.

Super Editions not displaying would be because the infobox doesn't have a super_edition parameter, since there're so few of them right now. For now, you can instead use the special_edition parameter, with the full name of the Super Edition's page (e.g. | special_edition = The New Challengers: Super Edition). If the page already has a Special Edition, you should instead use the other_sets parameter.

That's another SMW cache issue, though it usually happens after renaming a page. I've fixed it by deleting and recreating List of "Aether" cards.

That's fine, if you need it then don't be afraid to create/use it. =)

I don't see anything wrong there, myself; it looks like a redirect accounting for a punctuation difference. Am I missing something? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 15:13, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for all the clarifications. Thank you very much!

Yeah, the Aether page is working now.

I'll search for those boosters that have "Super Edition" and correct it.

The thing with the redirect is that the first link for the Japanese gallery at this page was using that redirect. That's what I meant with doesn't seeming correct. But I gave it a "fix", so I think that redirect can be deleted, no? Pendulum (talk • contribs) 15:37, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Aah, you meant the redirect itself didn't seem right. We do try to avoid redirects in the "extra info" namespaces (Set Card Galleries/Lists and the various Card namespaces), but really, the redirects don't hurt anything and there is no particular rush to get them deleted. You can tag those redirect for deletion, though, if you first make sure there's nothing linking to them (you can use Special:WhatLinksHere to check that). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:49, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Yep, already did it. Nothing links to it. I just felt it could have been avoided. It was created because a link was wrong in the first place, I believe. And I don't like redundancy much, that's all. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:45, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Infobox Set

Hi again! I think there's something not quite correct on the Template:Infobox set. When it displays the Spanish prefix for the set, it displays it as "ABBR-ES (sp)" instead of "ABBR-SP (es)" (example). Though I'm not sure what should be really displayed inside the "()". Pendulum (talk • contribs) 00:13, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, good catch! I've fixed it; it was originally correct but I accidentally changed it when I rewrote the code that handles set prefixes in {{Infobox set}}.

The question of what should be displayed in the parentheses isn't an easy one, and depends on whether they should indicate language, region, or some combination. When I rewrote the code, I chose to change it to region, since the tooltips displayed when you hover over them are the full region name (more or less), but there are arguments for languages instead, or for a combination. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:21, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it!

Hum, that seems a tough decision, indeed. But shouldn't it be the same as the "Yugioh-Card database ID" section of the infobox? Because that part uses ja and es instead of jp and sp. Or is it supposed to be like that because of the region vs. language thing? I really don't know. And, in the case of DUEA, shouldn't a prefix for "Japanese-Asian" ("DUEA-JA") be displayed as well? Or should it be added manually, since it's a very particular case? Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:37, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

The region vs. language distinction has caused a lot of trouble over the years, in no small part because no one really recognized it as problematic for quite some time. I've recently been working on separating their handling in templates, but it's slow going because of how embedded it is across the wiki (for example, all the parameters in {{Infobox set}} currently use language abbreviations in their names, with alternate abbreviations or extra tags for disambiguation; updating this will require editing several hundred set articles). Ideally, regions would be limited to release-related stuff (mostly release dates themselves and set prefixes/card numbers), and languages would be used for names, lores, etc., but the database adds to the confusion itself, at least a bit.

The JA-JP thing is a demonstration of this problem: until DUEA-JA was released, all Japanese releases used JP, and because the language code for Japanese is "ja", the two were used somewhat interchangeably for parameter names and the like, with a bias towards the language code (as can be seen in the parameter names for {{Infobox set}}, for example, which all use "ja"). After its release, though, no one bothered to add support for it in {{Infobox set}} (and doing so would have been quite difficult because of the JP-JA ambiguity), and it kind of got forgotten about, at least by me. In my rewrite, I made a start at finally adding support (you can use jp_set_prefix to specify the JP prefix, and ja_set_prefix for the JA prefix), but I haven't touched the reldate code yet, and finalizing support will also require an update run through all set pages, to switch JP releases to "jp"-prefixed parameters. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:54, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Hum, yeah, updating hundreds of articles would be really hard. At least manually. Couldn't a bot do the job, for example? And if the DataBase doesn't help... What would be the most correct criteria, then?

And there's something that confuses me, I believe it's because of that. I use "ko" and "es" for card names, but for the card table and the galleries' headers, "kr" and "sp" are used. It's because of that, right? Some should be applied in some situations and the others on other situations, right? Is there any place I can read more about that (like some manual, or something)? And what about the "ja" vs. "jp" (not the capital letter one)? "jp" is used in the galleries' headers for Japanese cards and "ja" for the card names. But what about the {{Card table}}? It shall be "jp", right? But for the Japanese-Asian card table should be "ja", right? Or am I mistaken? This gets a bit confusing since "ja" applies for both Japanese and Japanese-Asian in the {{Card name}} template. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 19:56, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

I have a bot I've used for stuff like this in the past, but I haven't been able to get the program I use for it to start recently, so I haven't been able to do any bot runs. There're a few other bot accounts floating around, but I think they all belong to retired or inactive editors.

The database doesn't really change how we handle our own stuff, it's just an annoyance that we have to treat as its own thing.

Card names (and lores) should always use e.g. "ja", "ko", etc. These codes are actually taken from a standard, ISO 639, which defines standard codes for basically every language. So, anywhere you handle card names/lores (and assuming the template parameters you're using have the correct names to allow it), you should be using these codes, not the codes used in card numbers; in the case of parameter values, the codes should always be used (if you manage to come across a template that doesn't support the correct values, point me to it and I'll fix it). This means that gallery headers and {{Card name}} should actually use these codes, rather than the "kr", etc. ones, too; current usages use the card number codes just because many editors aren't aware of this change yet and many usages just haven't been updated yet.

If you're curious, this policy arises from the fact that different region releases using the same language don't have different text: card names and lores always match up between them (allowing for errata). This is probably most easily seen with the old English prints, where North American, European, and Oceanic/Australian English were all treated as separate prints; more recent examples would be TCG English versus Asian-English. (An interesting case is old versus new Portuguese prints: the old prints used European Portuguese, whereas the new prints use Brazilian Portuguese.)

Unfortunately, there isn't really a manual or documentation explaining all this; we're rather bad about proper documentation on this wiki, and a good chunk of that is my fault. The manual of style would probably be a good place to document some of this, though. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:33, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Yeah, that complicates it.

The problem with the database is it conflicts with the criteria here. For instance, on Special Edition pages, I've been using "<Set name>: Special Edition". But on the database, they don't use the ":". But the pages here use it in their name. So I confess I'm not sure if we should use them or not. I've been using them, though.

I wasn't very clear in one thing about the gallery headers. I meant like this. In that case, "kr" and "sp" are preferred, right? Or not? Sorry for asking this again, but this confuses me, because I guess you were talking about gallery headers like this, where "ko" is used, right?

Thanks for the info. I really appreciate it. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 12:21, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

My approach to the database has been to inform the information we present, but not dictate it; there have been a few cases where the database contradicts other sources on names (and rarely other information), so it should be treated with care rather than trusted blindly.

My reply was meant to apply to card galleries as well: the headers display the card's name, so they should use the language codes. Updating older usages isn't a terribly high priority, since the other codes are correctly supported and will be indefinitely, but I'd always intended to do a bot run to round them all up some day. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:42, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

Aaaah, ok, ok, understood.

Ah shoot!... I've been using "sp", "jp" and "kr" on the individual card's galleries... But wait... I have to use "jp" on the header, because "ja" will display "(OCG - Japanese-Asian)". Or is it supposed to display that instead of "(OCG - Japanese)"? Pendulum (talk • contribs) 00:11, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

Damn it, I forgot about that bit. That's a prime example of the language-region ambiguity. In that case, forget what I said, and keep using region abbreviations for the card gallery headers. >_< 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:32, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

Ratios Pages

Sorry for being spamming your talk page. Could you give a look at this, please? I don't know if I did it correctly, because the name of the set appears twice (I guess one is embedded on the Ratio template?), and I don't know if I missed something. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 14:45, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Set Card Ratios are a weird set of pages, whose ultimate future is uncertain - no one really seems to know for sure what to do with them. Personally, I lean more towards removing them in favor of "Breakdown" sections on the set pages themselves, but I don't really have much conviction behind that position. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:02, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Well, I won't give them much priority, then. That one already existed, so why not update it? That was my thought. A lot of packs don't have them and no one ever seemed to need them, since the "Breakdown" section exists, yeah.Pendulum (talk • contribs) 19:59, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Hey! I saw what you did here. Does it mean all the ratios links are to be removed? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:13, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

For now, just the redlinks should be removed. I already updated {{Set navigation}} several days ago to only show ratio links if at least one actually exists; I should probably change it to only show links to ratio pages that exist, and hide all red ratio links.

More generally, there is agreement among the other admins and myself that ratio pages should be phased out in favor of "Breakdown" sections on set pages, but I don't want to rush into anything just yet, in case there are people out there who have valid uses for the ratio pages that we don't cover elsewhere yet. So while I would encourage the removal of redlinks (as I said before), I would also say to not go out of your way to track them down just yet. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:27, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, got it! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:35, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

That BE01 problem

Hey Dino, this comes in the sequence of our talk at UltiK's page. I hope you don't mind me continuing the conversation here (though I still left messages there yesterday), I've bothered UltiK more than enough with my things.
I thought I should alert you to this and this. I had to fix it manually, because your template, somehow, wasn't able to get that. It's probably related with that red link in the pics, and maybe it could help you to understand the problem better, I don't know. Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:21, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

It's because of the "(2011)" in the page names, which messes with some of the logic there. I've never really liked that naming, but I don't think we have very many alternatives here. And since the problem only applies to two sets out of several hundred (other sets also have things in parentheses in their page names, but it's always stuff like "(Japanese)" that everything can safely ignore), I don't think it's worth any heroic measures trying to fix it. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:40, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds weird, but I'm still in the process of trying to find how this works.

And about this? I guess there's no way either (besides creating lots of exceptions in the codes, but, just like above, that's not worth it since these are very particular cases).

And the Limited Edition promos no longer are asking to be moved to the same name. Was it your doing on the {{OCG-TCG card image}}? Nice. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:51, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

One more thing: When adding lores, I found the German database uses some weird ". Example: „Magiebuch“ instead of "Magiebuch". Is there a preference to use " , or should I keep the „ “ ? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:00, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Actually, that shouldn't be happening at all; Japanese releases don't indicate edition (other than Duel Terminal, IIRC), so we don't indicate it ourselves in page names either. My prior fix of the set gallery links for certain OP images caused that, and I've (re)fixed it; thanks for pointing it out.

Yep, that was the whole purpose to my edit. And no biggie, I'm more-or-less the template guy around here anyways. =)

Those are the style of quote used in German; see wikipedia:Quotation mark#German (Germany and Austria) for more information. And yeah, we want to use them for German names/lores. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:45, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

Ah yeah! How come I didn't realize it? Damn.

Yeah, you seem to be the one more involved with templates. You've done a nice work around here (not only around here).
The Wikia came a long way from 2011 (when I started following it, despite not having an account).

I have one more problem for you (sorry man); This is a proxy for a pack that contains no First Edition. Is there a way to fix that red link?

Ah, I see. Well, I'll put those back, then. Thank you for the info, it's always appreciated. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 10:23, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, where else have you seen my work?

Tag it as Unlimited Edition. To be honest, I kind of think we should tag the edition on proxies as a rule, since (except for some magazine proxy images) it should always be easy to tell what the edition is. (Also, stop apologizing! If I didn't enjoy template work, I wouldn't do nearly so much of it, so I have zero problems with having needed work pointed out to me. =D ) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:23, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

I've seen it on Wikipedia.

Alright. But that would ask for a renaming. Does that mean all proxies should be tagged (with "UE", because, from the top of my head, there are no 1st Edition proxies) and renamed accordingly? (Well, I guess I'll keep throwing stuff at you, then heheh.) Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:49, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

One more question: Why does the English {{Card table set}} doesn't display the release date? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:09, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Do you edit/have an account there?

I was going by the assumption that there are 1E proxies as well (as was demonstrated above, there are at least a few LE proxies), but if the majority really are UE, then the default behavior of the template should be changed instead. (For that matter, I wouldn't be surprised if I've had this conversation with someone else at some point in the past...) Be sure to check the Eye of Anubis Hologram on them as well to make sure that there aren't cases where the hologram indicates a 1E print, but it doesn't have the "1st Edition" text for whatever reason.

The English release dates are a mess in general, mostly because the very early UDE releases were a complete mess themselves. I started some work to try to get that straightened out somewhat a while back, but got sidetracked and haven't gotten back to it yet. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 10:07, February 20, 2016 (UTC)

No, I don't. I just read it.

Ah, you're right, you're right. There are some 1st Edition proxies (like this, for instance). So yeah, it's better to indicate the Edition and rename them. I'll take care of that.

Ah, because the products' pages don't use | en_release_date = , so the {{Card table set/header|en}} isn't able to get the dates, right? Ok, I get it now (finally). ...And this was simple, sorry for making you lose your time explaining it. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 12:35, February 20, 2016 (UTC)

So, I've been renaming the proxies (I have all of them noted down, in case you want me to revert them), and I found one exception (until now). This one is an Unlimited Edition proxy, but I'm not sure if they'll release Unlimited WIRA cards. They did release THSF Unlimited cards, but not HSRD as of yet. Similar happens to BOSH, but Unlimited cards from there will be released in about six days, so I created the galleries already.

Long story short: Any special way to deal with that specific proxy? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 16:51, February 20, 2016 (UTC)

More or less, yes, though there is still quite a bit of complexity around the edges, and CTS should display the dates regardless. And it's not a problem; if you've peeked at my contributions at all, you'll note that I haven't been doing that much around here recently. =)

It's probably best to go ahead and note it as UE, as it currently is. The link isn't that big of a deal, but if it comes to it, there isn't a problem with creating the gallery just for the proxy, or it could be temporarily redirected to the 1E gallery, and if a UE release happens in the future, the redirect can then be converted to a proper gallery. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:43, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Well, you may not be here much, but when you are, you solve big problems, I think.

Alrighty, then. I'll leave it with the broken link for now. Maybe they'll release Unlimited Edition WIRA cards in the future.

Thanks for the help! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 12:19, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Several Stuff: Part 2

Hello again. I see you and Deltaneos fixed the date display on the {{Card table set}}. Nice!
So, I assembled several stuff to throw at you again (I hope this is not a habit). Here:

• This list, which came from here (the first one) :
  • Has two entries for Chicken Race, which is the obsolete translation for Chicken Game. I can't figure why they appear there. After all, it's just one (not two) redirect without any tags. And those two erroneous entries are a bit weird, sometimes they display the Japanese name, other times they simply don't;
  • Also, there's a red link appearing there too (Shouma Souchaku), another obsolete "translation", this time for Empowerment, which, coincidentally, has two entries there too;
  • Augmented Heraldry's Japanese name appears there twice on the same entry.

• I see there are card property icons as ".png" and ".svg". Why are the ".png" used in some cases and the ".svg" used in other cases? Why not going only with one? Any particular reason? Is it matter of resolution or something (I noticed the ".svg" are used in smaller cases)? I guess ".png" are preferred because they are more faithful to the icon that appears in the card, right?

• How are the "Set" pages (the ones that appear in the {{Navigation}}) supposed to be used?

• Finally, do you think it would be worth it to gather all the proxy pics into one gallery? Or, if not a gallery, into some list, or something?

Thanks for your time! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:35, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

That was pretty much all Delt's doing, actually. Truth be told, I'm still not happy with the situation from a technical point of view, but improving it is going to be a longer-ish-term project that will require a bit of thought, probably.

The list stuff all comes down to SMW's caching. There's a few things that can be tried to fix them, but I don't want to start anything like that right now; if no one else's looked at them, I'll do so later today.

It's more a matter of we haven't made any real effort to be consistent, actually. I think the SVGs are actually preferred, but I might be wrong. Even if we switched completely to one set of images, though, I think we'd want to keep the other set around, regardless.

We're not really sure. The Card Sets namespace was requested without discussion, and as a result no one's really sure how it should be used (and as a result of that, uptake has been minimal). I've been thinking for a while about just unlinking the Card Sets link from {{Navigation}} and {{CardTable2}}, unless or until someone comes up with a good use for the pages.

I think it would probably be worthwhile, though it might work better as several galleries, perhaps split up according to their source. But this is probably a discussion to be held on Talk:Official Proxy, not here. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 12:19, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

At least they are displaying info now, but I understand what you mean.

Alright.

Huuum... So should one be adopted right now?

Regarding the "Set" pages, I don't know what kind of information could go there. The sets the cards belong to are displayed on the card page anyway, with all needed info.

Oops, should have checked that page.

Thank you, man! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 19:04, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think there's any urgency in choosing one or the other, but it is something we'll want to do at some point.

That's the same reason no one else has offered any good ideas, probably. I have a feeling we're going to just end up removing all traces of the namespace from the wiki, and requesting its removal by staff, but I don't want to call it done just yet, in case someone does come up with a use for it. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:27, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

I fixed the query listings, except for Chicken Race, which won't go away completely no matter what I try. It is, however, down to just one entry instead of two, and now displays the Japanese name for some reason (so at least people will be able to tell at-a-glance that it's the same card as Chicken Game, without having to click to view the pages). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:34, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Alrighty, then.

I see you just deleted all content from Augmented Heraldry and then put it back. When the Japanese name appears twice (or something similar), that's what should be done? I'm asking so next time I don't need to bother you.

Yeah, Chicken Game seems to be stubborn. And Empowered Armory still has two entries on the same table too, weirdly.

And thank you again. I'm always thanking you, but you're always fixing what I throw at you, so... You'll hear that a lot from me heheh. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:43, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that usually is enough to fix it, just be sure to null-edit an affected list and check that it's actually fixed afterwards, since there have been cases where blanking and unblanking didn't fix the problem.

Oh, I overlooked Empowerment. And just as well, since neither blanking nor deleting fixed it. We're going to have to just leave it for now and see if it decides to fix itself at some point, unless someone else has a different idea for how to fix it. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:33, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try to fix it for myself next time. Thanks for the tip.

Some pages seem to have their own life and be stubborn. Thanks for your time.

Well, that's all for now. See you in Several Stuff: Part 3, Dino. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 00:40, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Archive Table

Hey Dino. This time I'm sending you a message regarding a different matter.
Would you mind if I snatch some bits of your Archive Table to build one for me? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:24, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Not at all, go for it! =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:25, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I've thought a lot about how to organize my stuff, and dividing it by year and month seems the best way. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:29, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

List of deaths

I noticed that you protected the List of Deaths page on the yugioh wikia. I believe that it has been implied that Sergey has been "destroyed" in episode 95 after a group of nearby commons recognize him as the "duelist crusher" before picking up weapons. Jean-michel rogers screen of Sergey then received a "No signal" message which I believe implies that he was destroyed. I am sure this would count as a "death" and should belong on the List of Deaths page under the Arc-V category.

RitchUK (talk • contribs) 00:00, March 1, 2016 (UTC)RitchUK

I'm not familiar with that part of the anime (I haven't watched it for years, actually), but according to other users who've undone additions of it to the list, it's not completely clear that he actually died. Our policy is to avoid speculation, even if it seems like something obvious. There is no harm in waiting to see if his death is actually confirmed in a future episode. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:12, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Traditional Chinese Lists

Just today, I came across an article on YGOrganization.Com that posted an article on the OCG Forbidden/Limited Lists...for Traditional Chinese. Do you think I should make an article on this, even if there aren't any articles of the TC OCG Lists beforehand? --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 14:55, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, if for no other reason than that this list is specifically noted as differing from the current OCG list. If you find reliable info about differences between past OCG lists and TC OCG lists, you can create articles for them as well, otherwise it should be assumed that TC simply followed the OCG lists of the time. I hope Konami doesn't keep doing these special-case lists; they're really annoying - probably for the players just as much as for us. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:39, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Well, I did it. The question is, for the "Forbidden", "Limited", "Semi-Limited" and "Unlimited" pages, should I make changes exclsuvie to the Traditional Chinese Lists? Or is it best that I leave them alone? --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 04:58, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

I think it's probably best to leave them alone until we have a consistent way to note all of these specific-region differences (so if you have an idea there, go ahead and do it). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:56, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

I'm aware I might be repeating myself; but for the "Forbidden", "Limited", "Semi-Limited" and "Unlimited" pages, I could add a section including changes to the Chinese-exclusive Lists on each page. Question is, does that mean there should be a list of cards that are Forbidden/Limited/whatever in the Chinese OCG on those pages? I'm currently updating them to April's Lists; but I won't include whatever's in Chinese for now. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 13:20, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

It couldn't hurt, but as I said before, it would be best to have a consistent way of noting this type of stuff. If you have an idea of how to do it, I would say go ahead and try it out; we can make changes or revert later if it turns out not to work well for whatever reason. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:10, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

How about, for now, I add a notification like: "These cards are [blank] as of April 1, 2016 for the Japanese OCG, March 1, 2016 for the Traditional Chinese OCG, and November 9, 2015 for the TCG Advanced Format." Would that be alright? --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 00:46, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

I suppose, though it would help if you could change one page so I could see how it works out in practice. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:59, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, just did; that's how I intend for it to be. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 12:47, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

The "Japanese" header is misleading; the OCG list also applies to tournament play in Korea and other non-Japanese, non-TC regions. I'm not sure if simply removing the header is the way to go, though, or if it's kept, what would be best to change it to. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:00, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

You have a point. Maybe I should remove the "Japanese" header, based on your reasoning; but what should I change it to? --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 01:48, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

5D's manga's volumes

Hey Dino! All of the 5D's manga volumes title are written with "Volume" with a capital "V", with the exception of volume 8. In fact all of the manga's promotional card pages are written with a capital "V". Do they still need a renaming? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:36, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, because "Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Volume x" isn't a proper name (for the same reason, all the other volume articles and promo articles that use a capital "Volume" also need renamed). I've been aware of this for a long time, but haven't done any work on it because of the sheer number of pages to be renamed. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:37, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Ok. I'll probably go on a rampage on it when I have the time to do so. And undone the rest of my edits on the volume's French names, except for the fourth, since it's the only one to, apparently, have a promo card. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 10:10, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, though don't feel any pressure to do so. If I've been avoiding the work, after all, I'm hardly going to expect someone else to step in and do it just because I've pointed it out to them. =D

Sorry if my reverts came off a bit brusque there. That particular rule isn't really documented anywhere, so it's not your fault that you weren't aware of it. At some point I'll have to change the infobox so it doesn't display the name in a given language if a release date or set abbreviation associated with that language isn't also given. (And in the meantime, if you or someone else finds evidence of a French release for one of the sets I reverted you on, you can take great pleasure in reverting me in turn. =D ) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 11:10, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

It's something that will take its time. I don't mind doing it, but it's something really big, I have to fill myself with a lot of patience heheh.

Oh, no need to be sorry, man. I added the fourth volume name, and then I thought I should add for the others. I confess I wasn't sure on it, I should have asked. I've searched and searched and searched, and haven't been able to find any of the remaining volume's cards yet. But if I find them, I'll revert your reverts, yeah, but I don't think I will take that much pleasure on doing it hahah. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:21, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

To be fair, while my bot (or rather, AWB) was working, I could've gotten it done a bit easier. It still would've been annoying and tedious, just not quite as much so. (And, now that I mention it, if you have any interest at all in automating some of your edits, I strongly encourage you to check out AWB. It's a quite powerful tool, though a lot of that comes at the price of having to know how to use regexes at the very least. That being said, I basically taught myself regexes in the course of using it, and have developed a reasonably decent collection of rules that would give you a pretty good starting point, if you're interested.)

Don't drive yourself crazy trying to find them; if they do exist, they'll almost certainly turn up at some point, given enough time. That being said, you may like to compare notes with Ult or SnorlaxMonster, both of whom, I believe, have some experience with looking for card images and may be able to point you to websites or other resources you haven't found or thought to check yet. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 11:30, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, that would be cool! Though I believe I don't have enough knowledge for it. But I'll give it a look and try to learn. If you have some info you don't mind providing, I completely appreciate it!

Yeah, you're right. Ah, good, I'll ask them for more sources, then. Usually, finding French and Spanish stuff isn't hard for me, since I know bits of French and Spanish, but German (especially) really is difficult to me.

(If you reply to this now (or soon), just to let you know that I will take some time to reply back, since I need to leave.) Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:42, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

One question regarding the renaming; It will be a dumb one, but I prefer to make sure: I should leave a redirect behind, right? You left a redirect on volume 8, so I should leave one too, right? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:41, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

I've referred to Regular-Expressions.info a lot while working with regexes, and you may find it similarly useful. And of course, if you need help with a specific regex, I'd be more than happy to help out with it. =)

Yeah. Generally, when moving a page in the main namespace, you should leave a redirect behind; it's usually only the card and set info namespaces and the file namespace where we suppress redirects as a matter of course (and in those cases we make sure all links to the moved page(s) have been updated). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:19, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean. I have very small notions of it (or something similar to it). It's not something totally unknown to me. But I need to put some heavy practice into it. Thanks for your help, Dino.

Ah ok ok. Got it! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:39, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Just a parenthesis: Ceasefire's Asian-English table isn't displaying the release date correctly. It should be April 21, 2003. I think I did nothing wrong. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 19:53, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Fixed it, it was a problem with {{Card table set}} (so no, you didn't do anything wrong =) ). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:00, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Ah cool, thank you!

And also thanks for taking care of my talk page. By the way, are ".png" preferable or it doesn't matter? I changed those first three because they were recent and were in pages containing only ".png" (with one exception, being the one I changed on Lulu's page). Should I have left them in ".jpg"? Because, in that user's defense, I assumed we preferred ".png", since I'm more used to work with card pics. So I apologize if I took a decision I shouldn't have. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:50, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

PNG images are preferred, yes, though we don't turn down JPEG images if they're what a user happens to upload. This may change in the future, but for now JPEG uploads are fine. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 10:02, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

(resetting indentation) You replied and I missed it... Alright! In that case, I apologize.
And regarding the manga promo pages to be moved, I made a list of what needs to be renamed here. It only has the pages for the promos. It doesn't have pages like Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - Volume 003, for instance. Or should those also be renamed to "volume"? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:14, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

They should at some point, though it's possible we might decide to move the episode, chapter, and volume articles to their English names instead (I've discussed this with another editor who seems to like the idea, but haven't really mentioned it elsewhere). So for now, just moving the promo pages is fine. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:07, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I'll focus on the promo pages for now. I won't have much time during the weekend, though. So maybe only Monday. And I still have some things I want to read about the bot. It would be useful to change "Volume" to "volume", yeah. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 14:21, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that dino

sorry about that dino i guess when someone replaces my images i get little thick off that that damage my wikia reputation did it that wont happen again (The Twinke Star in the Skies 14:08, March 4, 2016 (UTC)) i wish i can try update my signature but i forgot how i did that

You can update your signature in your preferences. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:08, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

Pendulum Scale Monster Lists

Ah, I can't believe I forgot to remove the ratios on the {{Set navigation}}! Need to pay more attention.
Look, Lucafriz requested to Cheesedude and then to UltiK if the {{CardTable2}} could link directly to the lists of monsters by Pendulum Scale (example).
I believe Lucafriz didn't address to you, and since you are the template guy and, if I may say, I think that would be a good and convenient idea, I'm pointing it to you. What do you think? (In case you are aware of the situation, but you (or anyone) haven't had time to solve it, please just ignore this message.) Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 12:59, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

I'm aware of it, but ambivalent to be honest (though leaning towards being in favor of linking them). The main thing is that the Level/Rank and ATK/DEF lists are not linked from the newer card templates (such as {{Anime card}} and {{Manga card}}), and I'm not sure if their being left out was intentional. If it was, I need to find out the reasoning for it, but if not, I'll have to add the links to those templates as well. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 13:14, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well, if I may give my humble opinion, as an user, I would find it extremely convenient. More than once I found myself clicking on it, even though I knew it wasn't linked. The similar goes to the more recent templates. If one person could just click on the level, for instance, and be led into a list with all anime/manga (depending on the template) monsters with that level, that would be cool.

And regarding the bot, I don't know if you still encourage me, because I see I've been leaving some typos behind my edits, and there was that problem with ".jpg" vs ".png", so... Regardless, I downloaded AWB. But if you don't feel like I should use such tool, I won't use it. And do I need to make a forum thread or something, to ask for more opinions? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:23, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

And could you please make an if condition here? Or something similar, don't know if that would work. Because it's Millennium Box Gold Edition for JP and Millennium Deck for KR. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:30, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

Seriously, I don't know what's happening with me. I realized they would go separated on their respective prefixes. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:36, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I've had that thought more than once myself. I'll try to get an answer, but if I can't within a couple days or so, I think I'll go ahead and just add the links.

I'm not going to ask you to stop using AWB just because you've made some mistakes in the edits you've made with it. =) As long as you recognize when there are problems, fix them where you see them and update your rules to avoid making them in the future, it's fine. (And besides, if we made people stop using AWB just because they made mistakes in their AWB edits, I wouldn't be allowed to use it; I've made mistakes with it several times. =D )

A forum thread just to use it isn't necessary, though if you want to be able to run it in bot mode (meaning you don't have to manually click "save" for each edit), you'll need to have an account with a bot flag, which would require a community discussion. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:06, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Alrighty.

Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no. I haven't made any edits with it yet (And I'm cracking up now). I still don't know how to use this, and I'm just too afraid to try it. I'm afraid to make the whole Wikia go kaboom or something.

Ah, ok, got it. Hum, I might consider it, since I want to make those changes on the manga promos from "Volume" to "volume". But I still need to work a bit more on the regex and stuff. And to learn how to use the bot properly. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:00, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood you, then. =) Don't be afraid of using it; as I hinted at above, currently you'll have to manually save each edit it makes, which is meant to allow you to review the changes first. This means, if something goes drastically wrong, you can catch it immediately, and even if a few edits do slip through before you notice, they're easily enough tracked down and fixed/undone (and that is the absolute worst-case scenario, unless you're specifically trying to edit maliciously =D ). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 12:39, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

Hahah, no problem. I have to try it, then. Just want to finish some stuff I had on a To do-like list, first.

I see, thanks for encouraging me, Dino, and for the explanation too! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 18:27, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

"YGOrganization.com" to "YGOrganization"

I'd do this myself, but I have to go puppy-sit soon, and I usually don't bring my iPad with me when I do. But could you please do me a favor and, for the Forbidden/Limited Lists' references, could you change the "YGOrganization.com" to "YGOrganization"? I ask because I think the latter would be more official/presentable than the former. Thanks! --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 17:44, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

Card table set display & rename

I think I have another thing for you to fix: The "na" {{Card table set}} is not displaying the release date of Ancient Sanctuary, as it can be seen here.
And I left a message on BATT's talk page. Since I'm addressing to you, I thought about pointing it out, before it goes unnoticed. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:09, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Fixed it. As always, if there are other cases you see where a date should display but doesn't even after a null edit, let me know. =)

Replied there (before I saw this, actually). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:08, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! Oh, you don't have to worry about that. I will, since I have no other way to help.

Yep, saw it. I'll do it when I have time to do it at once. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:25, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Archiving & Boilerplate

Me again. This time I have two questions:

1. I see people archive their talk page stuff in their "User talk" space. I was thinking about archiving it into the "User" space. Is there any problem with that? I'm aware some templates/expressions require the archives to be on the "User talk" space, but I don't intend to make use of them, except this: <div id="archived-edit-link"></div>. Which won't work unless it's a talk page, right?
2. Just to let you know you list boilerplate works great. Though I would like to make a suggestion: for instance, when a monster is both Fusion and Effect, the boilerplate will make it display as Fusion Monster, when it should be Effect Fusion Monster. Is it something that could be easily done? Or is something that requires some heavy coding? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:39, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

I've just updated the archiving script to be usable on user pages as well, so as soon as it gets approved you'll be good to go. (Needless to say, this means there's no problem if you choose to archive your talk page in the User: namespace instead of the User talk: namespace, other than it just being an unusual choice and therefore not necessarily supported by templates and whatnot.) =)

I'm aware it does that, I just haven't taken the time to fix it yet. I don't think it'll be super-complicated to do, but it's not trivial either. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:30, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a lot! Sincerely, Dino, thanks a lot! And I just read Help:JavaScript review process. Didn't know there was such a thing, cool.

Ah alright. Don't bother much. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:59, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

I intend to at some point regardless, but it may end up being one of those things that don't happen until a proper template is created. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:07, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Hum, I bet that's something a bit harder, yeah. And what about if a monster is a Tuner/Toon/Spirit/Flip/Gemini/Union? Is it hard to make it display the corresponding type, instead of displaying it as "Effect Monster"? I know something like {{ subst:#show: {{ subst:#var: $card }} |?Monster type | link = none }} would fish it. But a condition would have to exist, verifying if that Monster Type would exist for the given card name. Which brings us probably at what you were saying...

What kind of template would you need, conceptually speaking? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:08, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

It would be a template to standardize the display of information on the list pages (perhaps even automatically listing cards with SMW, depending what direction we ultimately go with that). It's something I've intended to write for years, but have always found one excuse or another to put it off. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:12, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

That would be the most convenient template around. Man, you and Deltaneos are the ones who work the most on templates, so... You guys are the ones to do it. I support that idea (that's basically all I can do).

And the way you said that with that smile at the end just made me have a good laugh. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:41, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Deck's short names

I see you are shortening the prev/next inputs. And I'm also noting you're keeping the red ratios links. Is it because you just forgot (or something) to remove them, or are ratios important again? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 00:11, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

I just wasn't paying attention when I was editing, is all. You can follow behind me and clear the red ratio links if you want (they'll be gotten eventually either way, though, so it's fine if you don't). =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:14, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, right. Well, I might go on a rampage on it. But not today. I'm off for today. Too tired (it's late in my timezone). And when removing the ratios I also want to search for external links and missing release dates and other possibly missing stuff on the products. So it'll have to wait a bit. And I still want to rename the BATT pack. The rename is supposed to go through, right? I asked UltiK some hours ago, thinking he was here, but he wasn't. And I prefer having an answer instead of start renaming stuff when I shouldn't. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 00:20, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

There's no hurry to get it renamed, so it would probably be best to wait for now. I've asked some other editors if any of them have thoughts on the proposal, so hopefully we'll get some more comments. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:35, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, alrighty, then. Could you please notify me when you get news on it? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 00:41, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

New template idea

You or somebody else probably thought about something like this already. But still.
I thought about something that could be used in set articles. Something that would output the galleries for the set. That means, a template where given the right inputs, would output something similar to the content under the "Galleries" section on the set articles. Because that content is very... how do I say this... similar to each other. I mean, the link to a gallery, generically speaking is something like: "Set Card Galleries:SETNAME (MEDIUM-REGION-EDITIONABBR)". And after that, it has "FULL EDITION". And at the beginning of all of that, it has the pic and the region.
My idea would be something similar, in a way, to the {{Set navigation}}, where you would indicate the galleries for which country, and it would just display it. The pic could be inserted manually, since we don't have a very strict Name Policy for that kind of pics (but I'm trying to work on it).
I probably didn't make myself clear, so I'll try to explain it with an example; An input like:

{{templatename |
|ENpic.png|EN|1E|
|JPpic.png|JP|
|KRpic.png|KR|1E,UE|
|}}

Would output (if "subst" would be used (which is not my idea)):

<gallery captionalign="center">
ENpic.png | English<br />[[Set Card Galleries:SETNAME (TCG-EN-1E)|1st Edition]]
JPpic.png | Japanese<br />[[Set Card Galleries:SETNAME (OCG-JP)|Unlimited Edition]]
KRpic.png | Korean<br />[[Set Card Galleries:SETNAME (OCG-KR-1E)|1st Edition]]/[[Set Card Galleries:SETNAME (OCG-KR-UE)|Unlimited Edition]]
</gallery>

The SETNAME could be easily gotten, right? Just like the {{Set navigation}} does. Deciding if it's TCG or OCG could also be done with relatively ease, right? I guess the major problem would be getting the parameters. Note that I use || to separate the arguments from one region to the following one. That probably doesn't work like that, but I don't know how this really works, so this is some kind of pseudo-code. And, of course, some details would have to be added. Like, for instance, a condition to throw the "/" in case the same region has two (or three) different editions.
To conclude, well, something like this would automatize the way things would be done. That means less direct contact with the code, more abstraction barriers. And it could be useful (if possible) to automagically create links to other pages like TCG Set Galleries: Packs, by using some template that would read the info on that one, and adapt it to that page's style.
I probably didn't make myself clear. Just ask anything. Or just call me names if this is a complete idiocy.
As a final note, I tried to use the | name = parameter and its input of your Card image uploading fun, but if a card name has spaces, since in the link they don't appear, it won't be able to create them. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:42, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

Yep, I've had that thought before. It is possible, but tricky, because the <gallery> tag doesn't play very well with templates. Other than that, a lot of what you said about it is pretty spot-on, and your proposal is fairly similar to how I'll probably implement it when I try to write something for this.

There's no way to make that boilerplate work with cards with spaces in their names, because there's no way to tell automatically where a space should appear. It can still be used for those cases, but you'll have to either replace the code with the correct card name before uploading, or remember to edit the image description afterwards to correct the card's name (and if you look through my uploads, you'll see cases where I've done that). I originally wrote that to simplify batch uploading card images with Special:MultipleUpload, which is why there's code for the card name at all. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:42, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Well, in the worst case, we would have to introduce the tags manually and the template would just create what's in the middle of them.

Yeah, it couldn't guess where a word begins/ends. Though separating words with capital letter could work, but wouldn't solve the problem entirely for cards like Call of the Haunted. But this isn't something important, I just told you, because I decidedto try it. Seemed, indeed, fun. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 10:26, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

And I guess I still don't understand how the factbox works... I've seen pages where, after my edits, were broken by it, but after a while were good again. And I've seen the opposite too. I guess I'll just leave the factbox un-hidden for a while, next time. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 10:52, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Actually, that's the difficulty I was referring to: the gallery tag doesn't allow its content to be generated by templates (it's even finicky about using templates in the image descriptions; sometimes they just don't work). There's a way to work around this, but it's not very pretty; this may be something I end up just implementing in a Lua module instead (which would allow me to bypass all the difficulty).

There are also cases where multiple capitals appear without a preceding space, though these aren't nearly as common as cards with lowercased words in their names.

You can check to see if the breakage is happening very easily on a page by adding ?useskin=monobook to the URL (if the URL already has a question mark, like http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Foobar?action=view, use &useskin=monobook instead). This shows the page using the Monobook skin, which has a sidebar on the left side and a series of tabs across the top of the content; when the page is broken by the factbox, both of these instead appear at the bottom of the page. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:56, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Didn't understand at first. Thought using a template to generate the tags wouldn't work. Hum, that complicates it. Well, I support the idea, so if you ever have the time and patience, go for it.

Ah, so changing to monobook gives me a better impression of it? Alright, I'll do that next time. Thanks! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 10:17, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

Referencing it Right?

At least as far as the Forbidden/Limited Lists go, am I citing the references properly? Here's an example of what I mean. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 04:45, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, those look fine. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:49, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

Regex

Hey Dino. Could you just give me a little hand? Regarding the manga promo pages renames, when renaming, I think I have to look for "Yu-Gi-Oh! (R|GX|5D's|ZEXAL) Volume (1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9) promotional card" and replace it with "Yu-Gi-Oh! $1 volume $2 promotional card". Is this correct or am I missing something here? I tested it a bit and it seems to work, but I prefer asking for a second opinion. Besides of what that covers, there will still be three pages (and their related pages (lists and galleries)) left to rename, but I'll do those separately, I guess. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:24, March 20, 2016 (UTC)

I think that should work fine, yes. You can shorten the number bit by using the shorthand \d, though, which will capture any single digit (you could also use a character class, [0-9]; the two are functionally the same). If you want it to be able to match more than just one digit at a time, you can add + at the end (this is called repetition): \d+ or [0-9]+. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:51, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, Dino. Now I just need to fully understand how to use the AWB and I'm ready to go. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 01:51, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

One thing I didn't think of before: will you be using your current Becasita account to edit with AWB, or a different account? I need to know to add you to Project:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage, since otherwise you won't be able to save edits on this wiki with it. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:52, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, I haven't been able to log into my account using the AWB; It would redirect me to that page, saying my name wasn't there, but I thought only accounts with bot flags should be there (with their respective operators), so I thought I was doing something wrong.

That's something I haven't though much yet. If it was with a bot flag, an alternate account would be better, right? But since this is still me, but in a semi-automated way, I guess I'll use this account. What do you think? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 13:11, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

You can use AWB with any account, as long as it's listed on the check page; it doesn't have to have a bot flag (though if the account does have a bot flag, AWB can be run in bot mode, which allows edits to be saved automatically instead of requiring the operator to manually click "Save" each time).

If you do want a bot account, you'll have to request a bot flag for it. You'll have to start a discussion in the community discussion forum first to be sure no one has any concerns with it (I don't think anyone would, given the quality of your edits and your excellent communication to date =) ), and if that goes fine, you'll have to send a request to staff pointing to the discussion.

I'll go ahead and add you to the check page so you can start experimenting properly with AWB. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:25, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Well, I think for now I don't need a bot account. Let's see how I can handle this in semi-automated mode first. If I feel it could be useful to find me a bot account, I'll be sure to leave a request. And thanks for the compliment, feels great.

Thanks. I think I'll try it with that new Category you created, by removing the | medium = parameter. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 17:48, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

So, I tried the bot a bit. I was a bit nervous, but I think it went well. I started by removing the | medium = parameter, but then I realized I could fix other stuff at the same time, so I started changing | es_release_date = and | es-lat_release_date = to | sp_release_date = and | sp-lat_release_date = respectively. I hope I didn't mess up anything.

There's something bothering me; On the edit summary, a /*top*/ keeps appearing, and I have to remove it everytime (sometimes I even forgot to do so). Isn't there a way I can throw it away for good? I can't seem to find how. And isn't there a way to erase a line? Like, I'm cleaning the | medium = line, and that will leave the line blank. Isn't there a special character to erase the line? Like an inverse of the \n or something? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:51, March 21, 2016 (UTC)

You can remove the blank line by matching a \n at the start or end of the FIND statement, without inserting one in the REPLACE WITH statement (you may actually have to match \r\n to properly remove the line, but I don't remember for sure).

There should be a way to change the default summary somewhere in the settings, but I can't remember how to off-hand, and can't check since AWB hasn't worked for me for two or three months now. If you can't find it, though, don't worry too much if the default slips past you every now and then. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:58, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, that will do! Thanks!

Yeah, I changed the default summary. And the /*top*/ doesn't appear there, but appears in the summary. Well, I won't bother much with it. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 12:37, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Just to let you know I found how to get rid of the /*top*/. I had to enable the Do not use edit section summaries option. And thanks for all the support and trust, Dino. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 15:51, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Aah, that would do it. Though I would think there would be some other way to keep edit section summaries, while disabling an edit section summary for the top section... But, whatever, it's not a huge deal either way. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:57, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Weird edit glitch

Hey, Dino. I was editing the list for the Structure Deck: Dinosaur's Rage Special Set, because it was named incorrectly, I believe (though I saw you were the one creating it), and the correct link was redirecting to the incorrect one. So I edited the correct one to put the list there, and tagged the wrong one for deletion (nothing links to it now). But when I created the list in the correct link, and published, something weird happen. I have no idea why that happened. As you can see by the page history, I added 434 bytes, so I guess that proves I did not write that. So I don't understand how that phrase appeared there. I then just submited the same code, and it worked. And as you can see by the history again, I added 0 bytes that second time, which is true, since I submited the same code. So I'm really confused. I even had previewed and it was fine. I don't understand why that happened. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 15:43, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Jesus christ it happened to me too when I uploaded pictures... I thought my computer was infected :SSS Thank God it isn't haha.. I googled the random thing that was written istead of what I wrote, and it appears to be from another wikia.. wthSSCooler (talk • contribs) 15:58, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

There was a problem for a short period of time, around the time those edits were made, where some edits were replaced with the content of a revision from (I think) LyricsWiki; this problem affected all of Wikia, not just this wiki. Looking back on the edit you linked, Beca, it appears that after the initial problem was fixed, the content of affected revisions was also fixed to what was actually saved.

As for the list page itself, it wasn't actually at the wrong title, but rather was meant as a test for an alternate naming system that never got generally deployed. It arises from the observation that noting both the game (OCG/TCG) and the region (JP, JA, EN, FR, etc.) in the page name is redundant, and noting the region in cases where a set was only released in a single region, is unnecessary. It's something I would kind of like to see done still, but would amount to a lot of pagemoves (literally thousands), so I'm rather leery about forging ahead with it at all. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:33, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

First; nice to see you again! Second; I tried to edit your talk page as whole to avoid making three edits for each section, but it's too heavy for my pc to handle it. So sorry for splashing three edits in a row. Third; onto the matter:

Ah, indeed, it disappeared! Well, it's better this way, it didn't contain the most appropriate language.

Hum, yeah, it's redundant. Making such changes would be something really big. So I should have left it as it was? Because, we could really go in that direction. But it would be a reeeaaally big matter. Like, the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia would have to stop for several days to make all the renames and to throw some bots to correct the names. It's not impossible. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 01:18, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about that, I've been rather busy IRL the past few days and haven't really had time to do more than look at a few edits now and then. And don't worry about the successive edits; it's probably past time for me to archive this page again. =)

It's fine having been changed, actually, so don't worry about it. As for rolling out this change more generally, I think I would want to have a better setup template-wise to support it and help automate the change (at least a little bit), and probably wouldn't push for getting the whole thing done in one shot. At the very least, I'd want to have templates for the gallery and list pages ready to go at the same time. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:53, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Nothing to be sorry about, we all have our activities.

Yes, that probably would be more convenient. Support from me, removing the redundancy. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:16, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

MST page

And since this is about other topic, I'm creating a new topic header.
Mystical Space Typhoon's page seems to have exceeded the template size. I checked this, to look for solutions, but... I commented everything that would be less relevant, like the game's sets and the unofficial names, but that wouldn't work. The templates' use is the heavy stuff, and that's valuable info. So, what should be done? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:45, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

MST has been skirting the template limits for several months now, to the point that this isn't the first time it's exceeded them. At this point, probably the only way to get it back under the limits and thus displaying again, short of removing some of the {{Card table set}} transclusions, will be to convert {{R}} and/or {{Card table set}} to Lua modules, something I've been putting off because I still haven't done all that much with Lua yet. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:38, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea what you mean with converting the templates to Lua modules. What implications would it have (if I may ask, you don't need to waste your time with this)? Would it be softer for the other templates to handle? But would be faster/slower to load? I searched a bit on Wikipedia and found some templates there implemented as modules. When you say "I still haven't done all that much with Lua yet.", I guess you mean this Wikia doesn't have anything like that yet, right?

One thing I thought would be to make use of the "Set" pages that appear on {{Navigation}}, and then transclude that to the main page. But that would bring some complications with the Special:Browse feature, right? Or, if not, it would probably be has heavy as it is now and thus, not work, I guess. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 01:29, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Modules are a newer programming system for use on MediaWiki wikis (such as Wikia's wikis) which is intended to supplement, and in some cases replace, the older system using wikimarkup and ParserFunctions; Lua is the programming language that modules currently use. The reason this system was developed is because the older template system was not designed to be programmed with, and it shows: trying to do things like working with strings (which, as it turns out, is something a lot of people want to do when they're working on text all the time (who figured!)) is difficult, the code for it is overly lengthy and hard to understand (which means editing it to fix things or add features is even harder), and the whole thing is very heavy on the servers to run. By contrast, the module system, and the Lua programming language, are designed from the ground up for these types of tasks, and as a result, the code to do so is much more understandable and maintainable, and the servers have a much easier time running it.

Unfortunately, storing the set information on the Set pages and transcluding it back onto the card page isn't an option. In fact, it would actually make the problem worse: due to the way the parser works, when a page is transcluded onto another page, its weight, as measured by the template limits, is doubled, and this doubling applies to each "level" of transclusion. So if a page A is transcluded onto B, the amount it adds to the template limits of B is twice what its own template limits are, and if B is transcluded onto C, the amount A adds to C's template limits becomes four times A's template limits by itself (I hope that made sense; I've never really found a good way to explain this). So not only would this not fix MST, but there's a good chance it would cause several other card pages to also break. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:05, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

What? They intend to replace the parser functions? Entirely? But I just started to learn them! Though slowly. But I understand, looking at some of the codes for some templates (like {{CardTable2}} or {{Navbox}}), it is really hard to understand them, even for someone who has some minimal knowledge on them, I guess.

Yes, I think I got it. You mean the complexity of the transclusion is basically an θ(n²), right? In that case, my suggestion was pretty bad, just let's pretend I never made it. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:27, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

No, not entirely; the module system has a base amount of overhead that the template system doesn't, which means there are templates which perform simple tasks that shouldn't be converted to modules (doing so won't gain any performance benefits, and often would be a performance loss). And the template system isn't going away any time in the foreseeable future, either, both for that reason, and because of the sheer number of templates that already exist on so many wikis (and for several other reasons). Even if that was the plan, it would still require people knowledgeable enough to be able to write replacement modules for all of a wiki's templates, and we don't really have any editors on YGO who have that skill set and knowledge. So you don't have to worry that what you've learned about templates so far is for nothing. =)

I don't think the template limits can be translated to measures of complexity that literally, but that's the general idea of it, yes. And your idea is only obvious as being bad if you already have a certain amount of knowledge of how the wiki software works behind the scenes; without that knowledge it becomes a much more reasonable idea, and others have made similar suggestions in the past, so don't knock yourself for having made it. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:26, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, good. Yep, revamping everything at once would be too much for people to handle. Being a slow change gives me time to both understand the way things are today and (who knows) being able to understand what these new changes are, as I'm here to keep track of them. I'll try to keep myself updated.

Yeah, I guess. I'll try to learn more stuff as time goes by. Thanks for the info, Dino. As always, I appreciate it. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:42, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Redirects

I seriously don't get what the big deal is here. -- GROUCHMan (MY TRASH CAN) 16:49, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Region vs. Language

First, sorry to bother you this much, sorry, sorry, sorry. But I have a question regarding the last changes you made to the {{Infobox set}}.
You changed es_release_date to sp_release_date, ja_release_date to jp_release_date, ko_release_date to kr_release_date, etc.. Basically, you changed from language indexes to region indexes (not sure if this is the exact correct terminology), right?
My question is; shouldn't zh_release_date be changed to tc_release_date? I'm asking because "tc" is used in the same places "sp" and "kr" is used, like the {{Card table set/header}} template or the {{GalleryHeader}} template. Though on this last one, the indexes appear on the |lang= parameter, so I'm not sure here. I see from here that tc_release_date is there, and that you made some changes that used it, but if I go on a set and switch zh_release_date to tc_release_date, it won't display.
This is not very important, I know, but since ko_release_date got changed to kr_release_date, it got me wondering if zh_release_date should be changed to tc_release_date.
I looked to the source code of all those templates I mentioned above, to seek for an answer, but I can't be sure on it. And I really apologize if I'm just making you waste your time with some irrelevant matter. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 17:47, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

The truth is, I'm not sure myself. The whole reason any distinction between ZH and TC is present in certain templates at all is that, very early in the OCG's history (during Series 1), two Chinese-language promos were distributed in certain issues of Weekly Shonen Jump and V Jump in Japan. However, it isn't obvious if we should treat these as separate from the much later TC releases (especially since the early promos were officially distributed only within Japan, while the later releases have officially been distributed only outside of Japan (I think in Taiwan and Singapore, but I'm not sure)), or if they should all be handled the same (since there were only two promos, which is very little to justify the extra overhead everywhere). I lean towards handling them all the same myself, bu the uncertainty is enough that I haven't tried going in one direction with it, and it shows in the varying levels of support and approaches in various templates. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:06, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

So, if I got this right, if you were to make tc_release_date exactly the same as zh_release_date, nothing would appear broken nor wrong? Because, if I got it straight, since they were only released in Japan, they would use jp_release_date, is that it? So, where is that distinction explicitly made? Could you please point me to some template/page that differentiates it? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 01:34, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant, what I would like to do is make tc_release_date and zh_release_date the same, but it's possible that we may actually prefer to keep them separate, in which tc_release_date would be used for all modern Chinese releases (all releases that have "TC" in their card numbers), and zh_release_date would be used for the two old promos; jp_release_date wouldn't be used for any of them (since it's only meant to be used for Japanese-language releases released in Japan). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:11, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, you were clear, don't worry. Yes, I think that would made more sense, partially because of what I (tried) to explain on my first post. Using tc_release_date for recent releases, that is, since it's the region index. As for keeping the zh_release_date, might be useful, just for the sake of differentiating them.

As for the jp_release_date, forget my question, heh.

If you happen to change that, could you please notify me? Thanks. And thanks for your time and explanations, Dino. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:35, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

I will make sure to let you know (probably by replying here). =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:28, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Sure, I check the Wiki activity frequently, so no problem. Though if I fail to notice some message, there's always the {{Talkback}} template. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:46, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Several Stuff: Part 3

It's me again, Dino. Here's some stuff again:

• Some of Megamorph release dates are not displaying. I reset the {{Infobox set}} on those sets, but it didn't work, hence why I'm pointing it to you;
• CXyz Mechquipped Djinn Angeneral is member of the hidden Category:((CardTable2)) transclusions with anime parameters. What does that mean exactly? I've been looking for days (since I last edited it) for any anime parameters on it and I can't find them;
• Last but not least, I would like to know how difficult would be to create a condition on the {{Infobox set}} that would shorten the prev and the next parameters either automatically or semi-automatically, maybe by giving it an argument through another parameter as the reduction reference. I'm trying to not write a wall of text on it, so I'm not sure if I was clear. A very quick example:
  • If the product is a Structure Deck, the parameters would understand that and remove both "Structure Deck" or "Structure Deck:", while still link to the respective product. Hum, probably not worth the effort, right?

Thank you for your time! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:05, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

• I'm guessing you're talking about the SKE and MRL/SRL releases. I'm not sure why the SKE date isn't showing; I would guess that it has to do with the particular SMW properties being stored for it, but haven't investigated. MRL/SRL is (at least partially) because the releases noted as "Magic Ruler" are linking to the disambiguation page instead of the actual set page, and are also trying to pull information from there. But since it's a disambiguation page, there is no information to be gotten from it. This helps to illustrate something that's been on my mind recently, namely that we probably don't have as much fine-grained detail in the {{Infobox set}} release date parameters as might be desired (at the very least, separate parameters for 1E and UE releases might be useful). But without good sources for specific release dates for a bunch of sets, I'm not sure we could justify trying to add more fine-grained parameters.
• That is a tracking category for pages that use {{CardTable2}} which have anime-related parameters on them, as it sounds from the name. However, not all the parameters it tracks are obvious from their names; for example, the yugioh_site parameter is one of them, since it was used to correct the URL names of cards in links to their yugioh.com anime site pages, but the parameter name itself doesn't give any indication that it's related to the anime. Note that you shouldn't just blindly remove these parameters, though; at the least, for yugioh_site, you should make sure that the newer anime card page links to the correct yugioh.com page and, if not, copy the yugioh_site parameter over to it. (There have been some cases of editors reverting card pages to versions before the anime parameters were removed; in these cases it is generally fine to just undo their edit(s).)
• It actually already does this for a selection of common text: mostly "promotional card(s)", but also "participation card(s)" and "prize card(s)". I have thought about adding handling for other common text, but the prev/next links aren't the only place in the infobox where trimming such text might be desired, and in any case it's probably not a good idea to just blindly start stripping random strings from names without very good reason (as in the case of the strings I mentioned before).

「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:53, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

• Regarding the MRL/SRL, it actually occurred to me it could be something like that, because Magic Ruler and Spell Ruler are, in the end, the same page, but not directly. But at the time I was already in classes and when I got home I had already forgotten about that, so I didn't check. Could have avoided making you spend some time on it, sorry. As for the SKE, yeah, I had no idea, besides the typical SMW glitches, but it could also be something similar to when those AE or NA dates weren't displaying, and you just fixed them, so I decided to ask you. It's really hard to find Unlimited Edition release dates for some sets, Dino, indeed. And that leads me to another question: Some sets have a separate "gallery frame" on their main pages for the UE gallery. Like CSOC, for instance. Should this be made for all sets where we have pics for both the 1E and UE set cover? Or should it be a common practice? Or should we only go with the 1E cover (like in the majority of the articles)? Well, there still is that idea of yours, so I guess this question is not very relevant for now. But just in case.
• Golden Key deleted that parameter from it, so I understood that was the one. Ok, I'll make sure of that next time! Thanks for the info.
• Aaaah, I had a vague idea I've seen something like that at some page, but I wasn't sure if it had been just a dream hahah. I asked because I was going through the Decks and wasn't sure if that could (and, if so, would) be made.

Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:35, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that we should indeed show both 1E and UE separately when we have both images, but I don't know what others' thoughts on the matter are. And I haven't forgotten about that discussion, I'm just weird about checking things without going through the email notification for them, and the enotif for that discussion got buried a while back and I haven't managed to uncover it again yet.

I can't think of any template we have for that (though you could use {{Repeat}} with a space for the string to be repeated), but there's a Template:Spaces on Wikia Templates that you could copy here if you wanted. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:33, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, if a conclusion on the matter arises, someone please notify me (or some admin/trustworthy editor just needs to start doing that and I'll get it).

Regarding that discussion, I don't quite get what you mean with "I'm just weird about checking things without going through the email notification for them, and the enotif for that discussion got buried a while back and I haven't managed to uncover it again yet.", but don't waste time bothering to explain, I'm not familiar with that enotif thing, so I have to check that more than just quickly. But I'm still interested in your idea, Dino! It would be convenient to have a place to store that kind of pics.

So can I just copy a template from there? And is it ok to copy this "Space" template? Do I have authorization to do so? I actually could have made use of it a while ago for another matter. But I could have used the {{Repeat}}, if I was aware of it. I need to look better, next time. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:52, March 30, 2016 (UTC)

I have my preferences set up so that I get an email when a page is edited, and this is the main way I keep up with changes to pages on my watchlist. However, I get a lot of email notifications from several websites (mainly Wikia and Youtube), so if I don't stay on top of my email, it's easy for things to get buried quite quickly. And I don't like checking pages without going through the enotif I have for them (hence why I said I'm weird about this), which means if something gets buried for me in that way, it can end up being a while before I can get back to it.

Yes, though if you do, be sure to note where it came from. My preferred method for doing this is to link to the source in my edit summary; you can link between wikis on Wikia with the code [[w:c:wiki:Page name]] (as you probably saw with my above link to the Wikia Templates page). If you do copy it here, let me know since there are some improvements I can make to its code here. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:20, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I see, I see. I guess you "being weird about that" means that's your way to keep yourself organized. As someone who likes to be organized, I can understand that.

Done! I see you made some changes there. Thanks! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:37, March 31, 2016 (UTC) -last edited at 11:06, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Pics with alternate card numbers

I swear I don't make it on purpose. This will be brief:
Any idea on how to take care of this? If the name parameter is changed to "Dark Magician", all the links will point to Dark Magician instead of Dark Magician (Arkana), like on this one. The same happens to Polymerization (Fusion) (gallery). Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:59, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Ignore them for now. {{OCG-TCG card image}} is rather badly designed (it never occurred to me to allow for these types of things when I wrote it), and has been overdue for a complete rewrite for years now; I don't think there is any way to make it properly support that situation and some related ones without a more-or-less complete rewrite anyways. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:01, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

Hopefully this Works

Earlier tonight, I've changed the "Forbidden" page, wherein I changed "Japanese" to "Japanese-Asian", unless you want me to change it to something different. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 02:27, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

It still doesn't work, since it now implies that the list doesn't apply to the Japanese or Korean regions. I think the best thing to do would be just removing the header altogether. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:11, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Does that mean I should remove the "Japanese-Asian" header? --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 13:16, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:56, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Several Stuff: Part 4

Hey! Ready for another round? By the way, if you think this section title is not very appropriate, feel free to change it. Here goes:

• Could you explain me the difference between {{TOCRight}}, {{TOC right}} and {{TOCright}}, please? They all have the same template type and the same code.
• One other thing is: how do I place the TOC wherever I want, but without forcing it? Because if I use __TOC__ or any of the templates mentioned above or {{TOC}}, I will always force it.
• This is a bit by curiosity: why do you have #Top on your sig on the part linking to your talk page? In what instances the page would not open at the top of the page?
• Now a bit more related with the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia: The French and Portuguese headers at Card Gallery:Limiter Overload are displaying the English name. I can't seem to figure why. Something similar is happening with the German header at Card Gallery:Release from Stone.
• The template {{Set navigation}} isn't generating the TC gallery's link properly. It's generating it with the edition (Set Card Galleries:SETNAME (OCG-TC-UE) instead of Set Card Galleries:SETNAME (OCG-TC)). Here are some examples: SD24#List; SD25#List.

     Thanks for your patience, Dino! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:20, April 3, 2016 (UTC) -last edited at 01:16, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

• There is no difference, and in fact they're also all the same as {{TOC}} (given that they were only transcluding it, this isn't a surprise). Given that, I have no idea why I didn't create them as redirects to TOC to begin with, and have redirected them (needless to say, this means you can use any of them, depending on which one you happen to remember whenever you need them).
• I'm not sure what you mean by "forcing" it; using __TOC__ should only display the TOC if it would normally appear on the page (by default, only if there are at least three section headers on the page). If this isn't what you were talking about, it would help if you could explain yourself a bit better, and link to an example showing behavior you don't want.
• I have that so the link will appear normally when I sign a comment on my talk page. Without it, the link would be unlinked and bolded to show there's a link to the current page (for example: User talk:Dinoguy1000). "Top" is just a section title that's unlikely to be used in practice, either as a section header or as the name of an element in the page's HTML source. It's also very short and accurately describes its intent (to link to the top of the page).
• I'm not sure, but am going to guess that it's an SMW cache issue (as so many problems like that end up being). Hopefully they'll fix themselves after a while.
• Fixed.

「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:11, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

• Yeah, my question was why weren't they redirecting to the one with different coding. I was about to do it, but it's better to ask, just in case.
• I mean kinda like this. Using __TOC__ will cause the TOC to appear even if less than four headings exist. Example.
• Aaaah, I see, it bypasses the bold thing, nice.
• Alrighty, I'll give it time.
• Thank you!

     Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:37, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I was mistaken about its behavior. Unfortunately, there isn't any way around this; the only behavior switches related to the TOC are __TOC__, __FORCETOC__, and __NOTOC__. But looking at your example, it doesn't look like you're doing anything special with the TOC (like floating it to the right), so is there some reason you can't just remove the behavior switch? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:37, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

I've read Wikipedia's and MediaWiki's pages countless times in search for this hahah, so I decided to ask you.

Yep, in my example, it was redundant. But was just for you to see it. My idea was to throw the TOC followed by a div style = "clear: both;" under my archive table, to keep the text aligned (I think this would work). But if any of the pages transcluding it happen to have less than four headers, the TOC will appear. Hence why I was looking for a simple solution for it, without the need to make a condition verifying if at least four headers exist or something. It's not a big deal, it was just by curiosity. Sorry if I made you lose too much time with it.

Thanks, Dino! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:25, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

No worries; most of the time I spent was just rereading my previous reply and double-checking the documentation on that page. All together, it only took me a few minutes to get it written out and saved.

Unfortunately, there isn't any way to automatically check how many sections there are on a page. (You could do something with Javascript, but that wouldn't apply until after the page was already rendered in the browser, and in any case that goes beyond my ability.) The only real options here are to live with the TOC always displaying, to manually specify when you want it to display (which would be a bit annoying for new archives, but is realistic since archive contents are (should be) static), or to just let it do whatever it wants. If it was me, I would just go for the first one, but obviously since it's your talk page archives, you should feel free to do what you like. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 09:39, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I'm going with the TOC always showing. Just to define the concept, you know? I think it might work.

Thank you so much for your patience, seriously. Thanks, man! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:56, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Improving Attack name article

Sorry for bothering you Dino, but I want to ask if it is possible to implement the idea that I proposed in Template talk:Anime card#Attack and effect name and potential technical issues from that change. Basically, I want to add new parameters (like |attack_name; |effect_name; |ja_attack_name and so on) to Template:Anime card and Template:Manga card to track the attack/effect name of cards in the anime/manga and have the Attack name article to list and update them automatically similar to Special Summons from your Pendulum Zone article. --Blackwings0605 (talk) 16:29, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

If you recall, {{CardTable2}} used to have an attackname parameter; it was removed because of editors adding non-attack names and even fake attack names. In addition, attack names in general aren't really something that lend themselves well to being added via parameters; proper implementation would require at least four parameters. Given this, and the earlier consensus to remove the parameter from {{CardTable2}}, I think it would be best to have another discussion in the forum about potentially re-adding this functionality in templates. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:07, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Chinese Translations

If you don't want me to, I completely understand. But I was kind of thinking about trying to attempt to figure out the Chinese translations for certain cards, namely the ones that don't have Chinese translations on the March 2016 Lists, using something like Google translate. From what I saw, I would have to translate such names into Chinese based on the original (Japanese) names of said cards. If you were to allow me to do this, would you? (And don't worry, I will assure you that I'll include disclaimers that say the Chinese translations are unofficial.) --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 15:24, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

It is really unnecessary to attempt Chinese translations for these cards, especially when you're not well-acquainted with Chinese. These Chinese names are not essential; adding them might make the page look more uniform, but that is the only merit. I doubt that we have many Chinese readers going to look at that page. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 00:59, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, part of me had a hunch I'd be told not to. (Good thing I asked, though!) Thanks for telling me. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 01:12, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

Categories naming & string limits

Hey Dino! Two small things:

• I know Dinobot1000 has removed redundant sort keys (like {{PAGENAME}}) when a Category is placed on a page (like here). Does that mean when a Category is put on a page, it shouldn't contain any pipe with words after it? I assumed it shouldn't, so I removed some (like here), but since lots of pages have them, I'm starting to feel like I shouldn't have removed them. What's the correct procedure?

• The other thing is, as you can see here, {{Card name|D/D/D Dragon King Pendragon|ja}} throws an error. You're probably aware of this, though.

     Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 17:41, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Aah, never mind. I found my answers.

Though I have another question; Why did you add "Female" to United We Stand? I'm not contesting, don't think that. It's just by mere curiosity. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:55, April 12, 2016 (UTC)

Apologies for not answering before; I did type up a (rather lengthy) reply, and then apparently managed to not save it and didn't realize it.

Some general information on sortkeys can be found on Wikipedia, though note that its guidelines and recommendations don't automatically apply here (though as a rule we do tend to stick with what Wikipedia does, so they probably will); if you have questions not answered there, please ask. =)

X-Metaman fixed Pendragon a few minutes after you posted here, though I'm guessing you saw that.

I don't remember for sure, but I think it's because I thought the arm to the left belonged to "Black Luster Soldier", which at the time I thought was a female monster. The trivia page for "United We Stand" doesn't make any claims about the identities of the monsters whose arms are featured in its artwork, and looking briefly through the history it looks like whenever such claims are added they get reverted as speculative, so at this point I don't think there is any reason to think either of the monsters is female. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 15:11, April 12, 2016 (UTC)

No problem, Dino, no problem.

I kinda figured why sortkeys were being used in places like the Structure Decks. Helps organizing them on the Category page, I guess. I'll have to read this more carefully.

Yeah, I saw it. It didn't even occurred to me (how silly) to reset the {{CardTable2}}, because I had made an edit there just a couple of minutes before. It's a Template a bit more stubborn than I first thought.

Ah, right, right.

Thanks for the info, as always! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 16:13, April 12, 2016 (UTC) -last edited at 16:16, April 12, 2016 (UTC)

Account at xentax?

Yeah, I'd like an account at xentax.
Also, do you have any "Battletoads"? Hackwrench (talk • contribs) 01:04, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Created.

Nope, sorry, fresh out. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:18, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Request for opinion

Me again. This message is destined to Deltaneos too. May I ask you for something? Could you take a look at this page of mine?
Since I upload several pics and the Image policy is strict enough, why not making something that would do part of the job for me when applying the {{OCG-TCG card image}}? So I came up with that. I know you guys may be busy, but I would like you to take a look and give me any suggestions, since you seem to be the ones who work more with this kind of stuff. I know I could improve that (like using more vars, for instance) and I'll probably do that in the future. I'll also add more parameters to allow inserting {{Watermark}} and {{Poor quality}} more easily, probably.
I also had a bunch of <includeonly>subst:</includeonly> that I replaced for {{{|safesubst:}}}, since that "template" is supposed to be always substituted, but I'm not 100% sure if that's the way to go.
Finally, I'm not asking you your opinion just because. What I would like to know is if I can share this with other users that upload pics a lot (SSCooler (uploads) (I actually shared a first version of this with him), Golden Key (uploads), etc.), because, since this gets the parameters filled depending on the file name, if it's named incorrectly, it won't fill the parameters correctly and won't output errors (because there will be no discrepancy between the {{OCG-TCG card image}} parameters' arguments and the file name), making it, maybe, risky to use.
Oh, and I have file paths on the "Example" section there. I know I shouldn't have pics on my user space due to Fair use, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to have them there un-linked. Sorry for the big text; Thank you for your time. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:25, April 13, 2016 (UTC) —Last edited at 23:38, April 13, 2016 (UTC).

And, Dino, would you mind if I were to copy your set list boilerplate to a page of mine and play with it a bit? I want to try some stuff.

And I would like to have your opinion here, since you were the one who introduced me to the AWB. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:34, April 15, 2016 (UTC)

It definitely looks useful; a new version of {{OCG-TCG card image}} that uses the information in the filenames instead of requiring it to all be passed as parameters (along with a change to the image policy to make the filenames more human-readable (which would simultaneously, interestingly enough, make them somewhat easier to work with in templates)) is something I've been thinking about for several years now, but haven't really ever gotten around to working on (in the long term, it would be implemented as a module in Lua, but that's contingent on me getting much more familiar and proficient with Lua, so it's anyone's guess just how long "long term" will end up being). In the meantime, having something that auto-fills parameters for the current template as much as possible is perfectly acceptable. =)

You shouldn't worry about trying to use any particular coding technique for it; when you're dealing with code that's supposed to be functional, your first concern should always be to make sure you understand what it's doing, so you're able to modify it later without much trouble (this is a trap I've managed to spring on myself more than once here =D ). Though that's not to say that you should completely avoid trying new things; if you're keen on them, and you're prepared to dig yourself out of the muck if you end up in over your head, you absolutely should give them a shot (this is basically the entirety of my method for learning new things with wikicoding, and to be honest, I find messing up half the fun of the whole exercise XD ).

In this case, I would actually suggest switching back: {{{|safesubst:}}} is meant to be used for cases where a template can be substituted or transcluded normally, while <includeonly>subst:</includeonly> only works properly when the template is substituted; the subst code has the added benefit of not using curly braces, which should hopefully help (at least a bit) in reading the code later.

By all means, if you know of editors you think would find this useful, share it! The best feedback you'll ever receive will be from other people trying to use your work themselves, especially if they try things you didn't think of, or try to use it in places you didn't find or weren't aware of. =)

Files can be linked from anywhere on the wiki; what's not allowed is actually embedding fair-use files in user space. So you can link to whatever you want from that page, just make sure none of the files display there.

My code is, ultimately, here to be used, copied, modified, etc. (strictly speaking, I couldn't restrict reuse even if I wanted to, since all text contributions to the wiki are automatically released under CC BY-SA) That being said, you do have to provide proper attribution if you copy it; this isn't a personal requirement, but one imposed by the license. I think I've detailed to you before about how to provide proper attribution; if I haven't, let me know and I'll go over it. =) One other thing I would like is to have a link to where you're messing with your copy; I like to see what others do with my work (especially when it gives me ideas for how to improve the original =D ).

As I'm sure I've mentioned before, don't worry too much about how long your messages get; as you may be able to tell, I'm pretty good at producing walls of text myself. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:24, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Cool! Yeah, making the code readable to me was a hard thing. Especially because this is the first time I tried to do something in wikilanguage. Oh, and don't worry, I like to try new stuff, but I always try to keep track of what I'm doing. I must be able to open any piece of code I wrote before and be able to understand it. If I don't, it means I did something incorrectly. And I like to do things correctly and the best way I can (I try, at least). Also, yeah, I actually had fun dealing with it. Even if I messed up a bit (which I did, as you can see by the page history.

Ok, I'll change back to the <includeonly>subst:</includeonly>, makes checking the code easier for everyone.

Ah, I see, I see. I do have links to images in my userspace, actually (that, I confess, wasn't even remembering), but, well, you know, I thought it would be better to ask. I like to be sure.

As for the place where I'll put your set list code, it probably will be here. If I change it, I'll let you know. I really want to mess with it a bit, to get more acquainted with the wikicoding. About giving proper atribution, huuum... I would say something like the work belongs to you and link to it. But how should I do it, then? The one thing I remember of you telling me how to note from where something came from was in Several Stuff: Part 3, near the end. Is that it?

Oh, and one more question: the template {{GalleryHeader}} uses lang as a parameter, but that parameter actually uses region indexes, which are converted through the {{Region}} template. So shouldn't the parameter be named region, much like the one at {{OCG-TCG card image}} (which, before, if I'm not mistaken, also used lang)? I know this is some small thing, and the parameters can have any name, but I think it would be more correct.

Thanks for all the explanations, Dino! Ah, also thanks for changing [0-9] to \d. Ahrr, I knew the latter was a shorthand for the former, you told me about it before, but, for some reason, I used [0-9]... Anyway, thanks! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 10:22, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

One other suggestion I would make is to use whitespace liberally: there are a number of places it can be used without affecting the output (the major ones are after the opening {{, after the colon, around the pipes, and before the closing }}, in parser functions, for example {{ #if: {{{foo|}}} | bar | baz }} ), and it has no effect on the template limits of the rendered page; pretty good tradeoffs for what can be a massive readability improvement. (One note, though: if there's whitespace between [safe]subst: and #function: (e.g. <includeonly>subst:</includeonly> #if: or {{{|safesubst:}}} #var:), the code won't work properly (though I can't remember how exactly it breaks, since I've only had to fix one or two instances of it to date).)

Yeah, I think that's it. As always, if you have any questions or aren't clear on anything, feel free to ask. =)

That's just a matter of a very old template I've never gotten around to properly updating. I don't know if it would be worth the effort at this point to replace the parameter versus just writing a new template to (hopefully) somewhat simplify editing gallery pages (another super-long-term plan I've had for quite a while, though without as many ideas for the actual execution as some of my other plans). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:42, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

To be sincere, I'm aware that the spaces do not affect the rendering. I've been using spaces in other experiments, but since that one was the first, when I started it, I wasn't using the spaces. I just have to give it a clean-up. I'm also aware that the space after the [safe]subst: will break the template somehow. You don't even imagine how many times I've read this, this, this, this, this, this and a lot more. But I gotta say it was fun. It was indeed fun. And I feel like I learned something, which is a great reward.

Ah ok, in that case, just forget my suggestion. I'll think of a concept for it as well.

And (I'll risk and insist) what about this? You don't have to post there, of course, but I would really like to hear some feedback from you, Dino (it doesn't have to be there, if you don't want to, of course). Well, nor you have to give me your opinion, obviously. But... Well, it's a bit complicated to be asking for this, but I would really appreciate your opinion. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:19, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Well, based on that, I'm going to hazard that at this point you're better-read on this topic than I am. =) And if you look through the history of my boilerplate, you'll see that I also started it without much (if any) whitespace... I finally added some at about the same time as I started adding vars to it, as I recall.

Personally, I haven't seen anything of you that would give me cause for concern. I am aware, though, that some other users have concerns about some of your conduct off-wiki, but I don't know any details, nor whether those concerns really apply to this situation. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:05, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hah, no. I still have a looooong, long, long way to go. But thanks. Ah, indeed. Well, we are all new once hehe.

Yeah... I was afraid that would follow me here. And those concerns couldn't be more legitimate, I confess. But I can assure you (and anyone) that things like those won't ever happen again. Though, this means nothing, I know, I know. So why did I had such behavior? Long personal story, I won't go into detail. I understand your (from you all) opinion on this matter. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 10:21, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

I started doing some stuff with your set list boilerplate. I managed to get rid of that blank line that would exist in sets that do not have a localized name (like English sets). Then I tried to make this to be used in an intuitive way, where the user just needs to list the card name preceded by the set number and followed by the card rarity (separated by ;). It's still very rudimentary. And I'm making this in a very nasty way, there has to be a better way. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:04, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

It looks interesting, though as currently designed, it needs to be hardcoded for however many rows need to be supported (which, considering the sizes of some of the reprint sets, is potentially several hundred rows). I don't think there's any easy way around this; my approach would be to break out the row code to a separate page that gets transcluded as many times as necessary (though with that, you'll have to re-get the region info in the first row (you can then stick it into a variable and just fetch the variable for subsequent transclusions; you might also be able to use the appropriate variable from the header, but cross-transclusion variables sometimes do weird things when the transclusions are at different layers, so you'd want to double-check how that behaved)).

Be careful which character you choose for a delimiter; if it appears in a card name, any instances of that card will break the code. This is the reason the vast majority of template parameters that can accept multiple values use an asterisk (*) as the delimiter, since it doesn't appear in any page name ever (some parameters in the past have used a comma or slash (/) as a delimiter, but these tended to run into problems pretty quickly and were soon changed to use asterisks instead). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:33, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

Yes! I thought about it after getting off of the pc. I think I'm going to separate lots of stuff, to make it easy to read and because it's simpler. I don't know what problems might arise with cross-transclusion variables, so I'll have to experiment and see what funny things I find.

I chose ; because I couldn't remember of any card using it. Might try the asterisk. The slash (at least /) wouldn't work due to the /Assault Mode. I'll try stuff and see.

Thanks for the tips! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 09:48, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again and again and again and again. The Wikia doesn't have the Extension:Loops installed, does it? I tried to manually build a while and tried a recursive solution, but I can't pass all the vars everytime. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:55, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

Nope, Extension:Loops isn't enabled here. I have heard at least one person say that Ext:Loops can behave weirdly in some cases (though I don't have any hands-on experience with it myself), so I would be hesitant to request it to be enabled here, especially since we do have Scribunto/Lua. That said, in some cases you can fake a loop by careful application of Extension:Arrays, so you might be able to work something out there if you're willing to mess with it for a little bit. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 10:52, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Well, in that case it's better not to risk. How can I access that Scribunto/Lua and how does that work? ... Well, I'll see if I can learn some of that.

Alrighty, I'll try to do something with the arrays. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 17:02, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for my lengthy delay in answering this and your other messages; I would say it's because I've been busy in real life, but for the most part it's just because I've been lazy about wiki stuff the past few weeks (though my laptop hasn't really helped either; it seems to enjoy refusing to load pages at random and as a result it can get frustrating waiting on stuff to load every time I click a link, as you might imagine).

Scribunto is the name of the extension that enables Lua to be used to write modules; Lua is a programming language (as opposed to wikimarkup and parser functions, which were only ever intended to be used as a markup language, regardless of the lengths they have been stretched to over the years); and modules are just the individual pages (in the Module: namespace) that contain the relevant code (much like how templates are pages in the Template: namespace that contain the text, wikimarkup, and parser functions used to build various parts of articles). The module system was conceived specifically to address the fact that the wikimarkup/parser function system was being grossly overextended to do things it was never designed for, as well as to obviate the need for various parser function extensions such as StringFunctions, Arrays, and Variables (though all three of those, and other such extensions that aren't enabled here, do have their place alongside modules). It's important to note, though, that modules were not intended as a wholesale replacement for the template namespace, and there are plenty of cases where a template is far more appropriate than a module (in addition, normally modules are called through a template rather than being used directly on articles). Because Lua has been around for over two decades, and used in a number of places beyond MediaWiki (specifically, MW devs adopted it after reviewing a bunch of options; it was created before wikis had been invented), you can find lots of tutorials on it all over the internet, and there is a reference for MediaWiki's specific implementation (which disables or changes a few features to enable proper sandboxing) at mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual (though note that, because Wikia's version of MediaWiki and Scribunto are behind the current MW releases, there are also some differences in behavior and functionality between Scribunto/Lua on Wikia and on an up-to-date vanilla MW installation; I'm not sure where you might find documentation on these differences, though there may be information on the Dev or Portability wikis).

If you'd like an environment where you can test templates (and modules) much more freely without having to worry about breaking articles or otherwise affecting readers, Wikia allows you to create a sandbox wiki for yourself (for example, I have one that I don't use very often), though note that the terms of service still apply to it (and you'll have to request for Scribunto, Arrays, and Variables to be enabled on it). Unfortunately, you won't be able to mess around with testing SMW on such a wiki, but for that you can use the SMWTest wiki instead.

Lastly, in case you haven't already found it, documentation on Ext:Arrays can be found over here. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:29, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, no worries, Dino! It's good see you again! And I sent you so many messages, sorry, I tried not to overwhelm you.

Yeah, I found some good info about those at Wikiversity. Thanks a lot for the explanation. It's interesting to know why it was conceived and for what role and how it relates to the Templates and such.

But that's like learning a whole new programming language, it will be something I'll do slowly. I didn't find it particularly simple, which makes it harder for me (at least for now). I might try those wikis but I already have so much stuff going on, I don't know if I'll be able to do everything. I still have some basics stuff to consolidate or learn.

As for the arrays, I was familiar with them. I still don't know how to make them loop. Besides recursion, that is. I basically was trying to treat a template as function, say, in C. But the Wikia doesn't allow loops (which is natural, given they could easily go on an infinite cycle and that could be troublesome). Well, I confess I didn't try much to find how to loop the arrays. I decided to take a different approach; one similar to {{Card table set}}. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:51, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Regex again

Thanks man! I really wasn't sure what would be the way to go in that case.
And I have another question: Why do you, on your user page, have %%pagename%% instead of \{\{PAGENAME\}\}? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 12:02, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

In AWB's Find and Replace section, in order to match the pagename of the current page, you have to use %%pagename%%. This is distinct from matching the actual code {{PAGENAME}}, which, as you pointed out, would be matched via \{\{PAGENAME\}\}. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 10:55, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Aah, right. So does that work for other getters as well? Like %%namespace%%, %%fullpagenamee%%, etc.? And where is info on that located? Could you point me to it, please? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 17:08, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

There is a table of supported keywords on Wikipedia. In particular, %%namespace%%, %%fullpagename%%, %%basepagename%%, and %%subpagename%% are supported, but not "double-e" URL-escaped equivalents (so there's no %%pagenamee%% as a counterpart to {{PAGENAMEE}}, for example). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:36, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Aaaaah, thanks! I never reached that page. Really handy! Thank you very much! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:51, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Your boilerplate again & property pages

Dino, do you think this could be integrated on your set card list boilerplate, replacing that last row? I still have to clean that a bit and add a table with examples using the template and instructions, make it able to substitute, etc.. I'll do that when I have more time. But what do you think?
Also, I tried to create some property pages, because they didn't exist and they were red at the Browse page. But I tried to follow the Japanese one, but nothing happened on the ones I created. And they made the Pendulum Effect disappear from the Browse page (as you can see here, for instance). Is there something I'm not aware of that I should have done, or is it a matter of cache or something? I actually couldn't found much information regarding that matter (but maybe that's because it's late here and I'm sleepy). And why does Odd-Eyes Rebellion Dragon Browse page (the one I linked before) say it has improper values for the Italian and the Portuguese Pendulum Effects? (I guess that's what makes the factbox display and mess with the page, right?)
Sorry, man, for these much questions. I would really appreciate some enlightenment, thanks. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 00:07, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

I would need to work on the code some myself, but I would have no problem with integrating it, no.

When you create a property page that's already used in articles, it can cause the property/value to disappear from those articles as you've seen. Normally a null edit is enough to make it reappear, and to display correctly, though.

The improper value for the Italian Pendulum Effect is because the article hadn't been null edited after the property was created; I've since null edited it, and the browse page doesn't complain about the Italian effect having an improper value any more. On the other hand, it's complaining about the Portuguese one because that property hasn't been created yet, and uncreated properties (and properties without a "has type" statement) default to page-type; values for page-type properties have to be a valid pagename and thus can't contain links. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 11:29, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, please, feel free to edit it. I only thank you! But if you don't want to have the work, please just give me some tips or hints or something, and I'll gladly try to improve it.

Null edits... Didn't even think of that... How embarrassing.

But the thing is, the French Pendulum Effect property hasn't also been created yet and isn't being displayed under the Has improper value for property. That's what I don't get. Neither the French nor the Portuguese were created, they are both filled with the card's Pendulum lore. So shouldn't they have the same status? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 17:13, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot to tell you; You already know, because it's obvious, but maybe you have some suggestion: The template won't work on glitched cards, like Magical Abductor, for instance. If you try to apply the template to it, it will output something like Effect Monster Card.

Something similar happens with Aromage Jasmine. I don't understand why. I mean, I know why it does that; it's because on the "Card type" property, it displays Monster Card, Effect Monster. While the majority of Effect Monsters have Effect Monster, Monster Card, like Tragoedia. What I don't know is why they appear in different orders. I tried to look at {{CardTable2}} to find it out, but I just wasn't able to.

As a post scriptum, I wrote "Replying? two summaries ago. Just imagine a dot instead of a question mark. Don't know why I typed that, but it wasn't the first time something similar happened. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:31, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Are any of the above pages still giving problems? If so, could you say what output you're expecting, in addition to the output you're actually getting?

Don't worry too much about making mistakes in your edit summaries; I tend to do that fairly often myself (for example, I tend to use autocomplete to fill in edit summaries that I frequently need, and if I'm not careful with which one I pick, I'll often accidentally save edits with the wrong summary), and no one's complained about it yet. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:42, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

The property pages are fine now.

As for the template, if you try something like {{:User:Becasita/SubPages/Templates/CardType|Magical Abductor}}, it will output Effect Pendulum Monster, when it should output Effect Pendulum Monster. I mean, I think it should output that. The thing is, if you Browse Magical Abductor, you'll see that under the Card type property, it has Monster Card + , Pendulum Monster +, whereas the majority of the other monsters would have Pendulum Monster + , Monster Card +. Generalizing, the majority has <the card type> + , Monster Card +. And I've concluded that the pages that have this reverse order are pages that were once or still are glitched. If you want, I could pass you a list with several pages that output it incorrectly and, if you check the logs, you'll see that either me or UltiK moved the page and then moved them back to try to fix other problems it had.

I was wondering if you would know why they have the arguments assigned in the reverse order. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:51, June 1, 2016 (UTC) —Last edited at 12:27, June 1, 2016 (UTC).

Release dates not displaying

Dino, are you there? Cards released on the 2014 Mega-Tins and 2015 Mega-Tins (example) are not displaying their respective set "en" release date. Sorry to bother you with so much stuff, but I've tried to solve it and I don't know what more to do. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 16:40, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's because the release dates are using the na, eu, and oc parameters rather than the en parameter. Truth be told, I'm still not happy with our handling of English-language set release dates (either in {{Infobox set}} or in {{Card table set}}, or probably in other places), but my previous thoughts on the problem don't really hold up to how English releases really work/have worked; it also doesn't help that I don't fully understand what's actually going on with them. One of my ideas was to have {{cts}} display all relevant dates under just the "English" header in a single transclusion, but there are cases where we do want to show them separately, so it would have to allow for that as well, and therefore this is something I won't be actually looking at until we're working on a module replacement for {{cts}} (which won't happen until I've gotten more experience with modules in general and figured out how to interface them properly with SMW). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:50, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Huum... I also have no idea on that. I might give a look to that part of the code myself one of these days, but I still find those codes too complicated, I need more practice.

But it's really weird, since it works for some instances but doesn't work for others. Blah, this is confusing. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:51, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Spanish set prefix

Hey Dino! Shouldn't es_prefix be changed to sp_prefix at the {{Infobox set}}? Much like the Korean prefix parameter is kr_prefix (region index) instead of ko_prefix (language index). It seems you've been kinda busy lately and I really don't want to overwhelm you with more stuff, but could you give it a look when you got the time, please? Thanks! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 15:28, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, good catch (and I saw that you went ahead and made this change yourself). I'm quite happy to see that someone else understands the difference between regions and languages here, which gives me hope that the distinction might not be lost on editors in general. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:52, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

I confess I was really hesitant in making such changes to the {{Infobox set}}, given it's one of those templates used in lots of pages (I actually thought it would be protected. Fortunately, it isn't). I guess I didn't break anything and it seems to work like I wanted to.

Yes, I can confidently say I understand the difference between them and when any of them should be used. It's one of those important details and I like to pay attention to details. But I might be wrong, though, we never know, heh. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:51, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Card name template

Hi Dino. Why are the #explode: needed at {{Card name}}? I experimented a little bit without them and it seemed fine. What am I missing here? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 18:50, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

I'm assuming you already understand what #explode is used for, so I won't explain that (though if I'm mistaken, let me know and I'll backtrack). In this case, they're used to strip the invisible [[SMW::off]] and [[SMW::on]] bits, which get added by SMW because of how the query is set up in {{Card name}}. If we don't do this, then trying to use its output in a link will just result in a broken link (compare Magicien Sombre ([[Dark Magician|Magicien Sombre]]) with Dark Magician]] ([[Dark Magician|[[SMW::off]][[:Dark Magician|Dark Magician]][[SMW::on]]]])). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:04, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yep, I'm aware of what #explode does. And I found those [[SMW::off]] and [[SMW::on]] when I was trying to find a match for the String module. But I had tested the card name without the #explode and it seemed to not display those SMW tags. But I probably did it wrongly, I think I didn't link it or something. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:51, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Flip monsters

Me again, Dino. Sorry to bother you this much. I asked UltiK some questions regarding Flip monsters. He suggested me to point them to you as well. So:

• Here you can check my questions;
• And here are UltiK's answers;

Just a small note: I mistyped the first time, so UltiK's first reply was regarding my mistyped message. Thanks! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:01, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not really sure the best way to go here, myself. I think we're a bit hesitant to just change all Flip monsters to have "Flip" in a type parameter because it isn't clear yet that that's how Konami will treat them, and they don't seem to be gearing up for a massive reprint of all old Flip monsters, so it may be some time before we know more. In the meantime, if I understood from your comments on Ult's talk page correctly, you're already addressing this in your code by checking for "Flip" in the effect types of cards, but you mentioned something about having problems with things like "Condition, Flip"; if you mean your code doesn't find these when it should, you could use #pos (for example, {{ #if: {{ #pos: <string> | Flip }} | Flip monster }}). If you still have questions (or if I misunderstood something you said), though, let me know. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:14, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

I understand. Let's leave it as it is now, then. I'll make the necessary changes to my template. Ah yeah, I could use the #pos, didn't think of that. Thanks! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:51, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Queries and Pendulum Scales

Hello, Dinoguy! There seems to be a problem with queries involving Levels. As seen here, despite setting the query to [[Level::1||8]], it instead returns monsters with Pendulum Scale 1. This apparently only happens when using the || operator (it behaves normally when I ask for [[Level::1]] instead). Also, changing it to [[Level::8||1]] returns monsters with Pendulum Scale 8. I'm not asking for a fix or anything, I just thought I should report it. Once again, thanks for your time! GMTails (talk • contribs) 01:01, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea what's going on there, to be honest; it seems completely random to me. Do you have any luck with <q>[[Level::1]] OR [[Level::8]]</q>? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:15, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh! Power of Chaos: Yugi the Destiny promotional cards

Yep, the database says that, but I have the European edition and it only had the first three. Same goes for a French edition (I found the cover of it and it says 3 cards). However, the other might have come from some special (bigger) edition or something, hence why I was asking for help; I think it would be better to note that separation of releases. I don't know how, though. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:14, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

If you have good reason to think I'm mistaken, please undo my edit. As for how to note it, do so in the prose of the article. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:18, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

List of "Battlin' Boxer" cards

Do you know why {{Archseries card list}} failed to display properly on "Battlin' Boxer" archetype (I'm not sure if there are any other archetypes that have the same issue)? --Blackwings0605 (talk) 17:18, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

Same goes for List of "Beast's Battle" cards and List of "Gravekeeper's" cards. My bet is on the apostrophe ('), I think it messes with it. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 17:37, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

Blackwing, this seems to have solved the problem. Though I'm not very happy with that solution, since it would be good if the template would do it automatically. But I don't have more time to read and understand the rest of the code at {{Archseries card list}} for now.

On another note, at "Metalfoe", the {{Infobox archseries}} is not generating the links to the "members" and the "support" pages. I've tried, but I wasn't able to figure out why. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 17:53, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

Should be fixed now, Blackwing. It was, indeed, a problem with the apostrophe. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:32, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

As Beca said, the problem was the apostrophe. I'm a bit surprised I didn't make sure that wouldn't break things, since normally I make sure templates can handle apostrophes. Thanks for the confirmation and the fix, Beca! 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:28, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

No worries! I'm glad I was able to help! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 11:51, June 1, 2016 (UTC)

Set card galleries and lists templates

Hi Dino. I know you've been a bit off of the Wikia, but I'll leave you this message.
I started making a template to create the galleries for sets and another template for the lists. The approach I decided to take this time was similar to the one taken with {{Card table set}}.
And I made this to work with sets like Structure Deck: Marik (TCG). That kind of sets have the galleries and the lists named, for instance "Set Card Lists:Structure Deck: Marik (TCG-FR)" instead of "Set Card Lists:Structure Deck: Marik (TCG) (TCG-FR)", so the boilerplate can't get the name right. I decided to make my template to work with that kind of naming, so it will point to the correct name. However, since the galleries/lists are not named like that, my templates will fail to get the correct name, obviously, since it's impossible to guess it.
You can read all the info about the list template here. It's not fully operational due to the <noinclude> tags. I can't include them and make them work. That template can't build lists like this one, but I wonder if those could be redesigned into something like this one (the template can achieve that).
As for the gallery template, I haven't wrote some "documentation" page like that one yet. But you can check the parts here. The problem on this one is that the <gallery> tags are tremendously stubborn, I can't make them work. I tried some stuff with the tags at this page, without success.
And that's it. I have some other ideas, but, for now, I'll leave it like that. Maybe clean here and there the parts. And I'll try to find any mistakes. Thanks for your attention! See you! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:01, May 27, 2016 (UTC)

Superscript

Hi again. I have some questions regarding the <sup> tag (I think the same goes for <sub>).
When should it not be used? I know it shouldn't be used in English card names, right? And what about for other languages?
Basically, [[Wattkid|Oscillo Hero #2]] is not advisable, correct? But what about Oscillo-Held #2?
Why doesn't "Luster Dragon 2" have the name parameter filled with Luster Dragon <sup>#</sup>2? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 10:17, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Card image property

I've noticed there are two big properties to deal with the card image:

1. Property:Card Image;
2. Property:Card image;

Any particular reason for this differentiation? I can see the former is used for OCG/TCG cards (used in {{CardTable2}}), while the latter is used for anime/manga (used in {{Anime card}} and {{Manga card}}). I also noticed the first links to the file directly, while the second uses a string value (I'm also aware of Property:Card Image Text, used in {{CardTable2}}, which uses a string value). Why? Is it because it's easier to handle, since the anime/manga cards use several images or something? I think I'm starting to get how properties work, but I'm not understanding this, sorry for bothering you with it. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:09, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

Dab vs. Redirects categories

Hey Dino. Regarding MB01, why not keeping it at Category:Set abbreviation redirects? If someone needs to run something on all the set abbreviations, they could be found at that category. Whereas in cases a disambiguation exists and the {{R from set prefix}} template is not used, people would have to check all the pages at the Set abbreviation redirects category and at the Disambiguation pages category. Furthermore, not all pages at this last category are abbreviations from a set abbreviation, making the job of running through all set abbreviation pages (and only those) more difficult.
However, I agree they are not redirects, of course. Though I still think it would be useful to group them (the set abbreviation pages) at one place. I guess for that, another category (e.g., "Set abbreviation") would have to be created, or something.
There are other dab pages using {{R from set prefix}}. I guess they need to be removed, then? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:21, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

Gallery section on set pages

Regarding these changes you made to the gallery section; I've been standardizing how they are displayed. I prefer the fact the edition is present there, so the user can know which edition was released for the pack without having to click on the link or without having to place the mouse above the link and check the url. I know {{Set navigation}} also omits it, if it's only one release for one region; I'll use this opportunity to express it's something I also don't like much, because it's not as explicit. Though in this last case, I really don't mind much, because in the "Galleries" section you have it explicit. But if it's supposed to not be explicit... SO I think in the "Galleries" section should be like the changes I made to the AP06. What do you have to say about this? Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 14:15, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Expression error: Unexpected < operator.px

Hey Dinoguy,

On almost every anime card page, I'm getting this error. It's causing the images on that particular page to load too large/small. I'm not sure if you can help me, but I've never encountered this before. It doesn't occur for me on other wikis, either. Would you by any chance know what the problem is? Thank you so much for your time and cooperation! --ToonPegasus (talk • contribs) 20:11, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

Hey Dinoguy, it seems to be fine now. Thank you, =) --ToonPegasus (talk • contribs) 06:46, July 1, 2016 (UTC)

Chinese-Exclusive

For starters, thanks for fixing the issue with the statuses for pages like "Thousand-Eyes Restrict". It looks much better now. But anyway...

If you don't think it's a good idea, I understand. But I was wondering if, for some cards, their statuses should be noted in the Traditional Chinese OCG. Like, for instance, "Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos" is Forbidden in the regular OCG, yet is Limited in the Chinese OCG. If possible, maybe we could make a row like | ocg_zh = Limited, or something?

Just a thought. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 14:36, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Template assistance

Sorry for the lateness, but I left a response for you on Golden Key's Talk Page. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 22:03, August 19, 2016 (UTC))

I left you a reply to your last post on Golden Key's Talk Page. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 06:22, August 24, 2016 (UTC))

(moved from User talk:Golden Key)

Sorry about the delay, but although it was unsuccessful, I greatly appreciate the support you showed me in my RfA. Regardless, I hope to continue working with you on the wiki in future. Anyway, I'm writing this message because I need a little assistance on something. I created the Nonspecific Ritual Spell Card property entry partly as a way to streamline the template on Card Tips:Pre-Preparation of Rites, regarding what Ritual Spell Cards that card can search out. I'm having trouble setting the template to include Ritual Spell Cards, but also simultaneously exclude any cards that have the "Nonspecific Ritual Spell Card" property entry. I thank you in advance for any assistance you may be able to offer on the matter. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 07:44, July 31, 2016 (UTC))

You're welcome for the RfA support, I consider you a valued editor. I'll try to get some help with this query. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 11:24, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

Wait, did you figure it out already? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 11:27, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

Well, regarding the RfA, there's always next time, I suppose. I'll try to learn as much as I can about the wiki and how things work in more detail in future. As for the query, no, I haven't figured it out yet. What I want to do is for the template on the page to include Ritual Spell Cards, but also still exclude those with the Nonspecific Ritual Spell Cards property (as such cards cannot be searched with Pre-Preparation of Rites). I figure that is a much neater way to present the data rather that the current arrangement, which was to include all Ritual Spell Cards with the words "This card is used to" in their card text. The template also slapped on End of the World as well, which doesn't have those words in its text, but can be searched, and I find that overly clunky (Because what if we get more Ritual Spell Cards like End of the World? Are we going to also slap those onto the template separately as well?). Hence, this is why I asked for assistance, so I thank you in advance for any help you can render in this matter. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 18:21, July 31, 2016 (UTC))

I've added a couple of properties to {{CardTable2}}, Property:Ritual Monster required and Property:Ritual Spell Card required, which may help you out here (and maybe in some other places too); let me know if they aren't specific enough (or are too specific) and I'll see if I can come up with something better. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:32, August 1, 2016 (UTC)

While that does make things look nicer, presentation-wise, and indeed, has been implemented on the page itself, I don't know if it's what I'm looking for. As an example, the first list on Card Tips:Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon is meant to include all Galaxy-Eyes Xyz Monsters, but also simultaneously exclude Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon. It does so by including {{ #ask: [[English name::!Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon]] }} in its template. When I attempted to do something comparable to the list on Card Tips:Pre-Preparation of Rites, by including {{ #ask: [[Misc::!Nonspecific Ritual Spell Card]] }} in the list's template, I didn't get the results I hoped for, if that makes sense. I would like to suggest a fix like this because I'm not keen on the list template relying on a line of shared text between cards as a way to include cards on the list. This is because such a list would then be vulnerable to any possible future errata that may cause some cards that meet the criteria to no longer share text with other cards that meet said criteria, given that errata takes quite a while to implement across all cards that need it. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 09:47, August 2, 2016 (UTC))

At least for Pre-Preparation, the property appears to work perfectly for me with the query {{ #ask: [[Class 1::Official]] [[Card type::Ritual Spell Card]] [[Ritual Monster required::+]] }}; it includes all the cards from the current query (including End of the World), without including any extra cards.

If there are still problems with it, please point them out to me and I'll see if they can be fixed or if something else can be done to work around them, and if you're aware of other queries that don't work very well currently, point them out to me (with suggestions on what can be done to improve them, if you have any) and I'll see what I can do. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:33, August 2, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about the late reply, I guess maybe I wasn't clear on what I was asking. While I suppose your fix does work for now, I was wondering if there was a way to code things so that a list would exclude every card in a specific property entry from inclusion, that would otherwise be included without said coding. We have something like this {{ #ask: [[English name::!Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon]] }} to exclude a specific card from a list, in this case, "Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon", by adding that exclamation mark in between those two colons and the card's name, but nothing similar to exclude cards beloning to a whole property entry, like say {{ #ask: [[Misc::!Nonspecific Ritual Spell Card]] }}. Doing something like that would break the list's coding and cause the list to not be generated at all. So, I was wondering if something like this can be done for users who are not so savvy with coding so they can more easily generate lists. I suppose, in theory, if what I proposed is implemented, the resulting list will look identical to what you've done right now. Again, I'm not trying to knock on what you've done, so I hope you aren't offended, just wondering if there's a simpler way to do it. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 18:17, August 18, 2016 (UTC))

Aah, now I see. What you're asking for is actually already possible in SMW, but it has some problems - first and foremost, using e.g. [[Misc::!Nonspecific Ritual Spell Card]] in a query will cause that query to only return pages with at least one value for Property:Misc, and if a page has multiple values, and one of them is "Nonspecific Ritual Spell Card", that page will still be listed, because the other values are not "Nonspecific Ritual Spell Card" (yes, both of these behaviors are exactly as asinine as they sound). In addition, this functionality will sometimes apparently just not work, for no discernible reason. Because of these things, it is better to avoid using it when possible; part of that is smart and careful design of the properties and their values, and part of it is carefully/cleverly written queries. There is no way I can see to emulate the behavior of !, especially while fixing the shortcomings of the native one, otherwise we'd already have written something to do exactly that, since that functionality would be so useful for us.

On the specific topic of my fix, are you concerned that it may not work correctly in the future? Because that shouldn't happen at any point; the query as I wrote it above covers all the necessary requirements for Pre-Preparation's effect, without allowing anything extraneous to also be listed. If you do have specific concerns about it, I would love if you could explain them, ideally well enough that I can actually address them somehow (though don't worry too much if you can't think of a way to explain them that well; we can always go back and forth a bit, to hopefully work out in detail what your concerns actually are). =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 09:12, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that was exactly what I was asking about, and I see about what you mean regarding ! being unable to be emulated. Guess I still have a bit more to learn about coding. I guess my issue was that this would make a lot of peoples' lives easier regarding generating these query lists. I was concerned about the first version of the list, since it relied on a line of card text to be worded in a very specific manner, which would obviously cause problems if a future errata changes the wording of that particular line of text. I have no real issues with what you've done per se, I was just a bit concerned that it might not be as obvious to other users who may want to implement similar lists in future and they might not know what to write for the list coding-wise, hence my inquiry as to whether or not there was a simpler way to do things instead. Perhaps we need an FAQ guide on this query list coding form now on? Like what sequence of codes would produce what sort of entries? (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 06:21, August 24, 2016 (UTC))

A lot of that is what the Semantic MediaWiki wiki is for, imperfect as the documentation there is. There is definitely a place for local documentation here, though I don't think I'm the one who should write it - I'm reasonably good at going through already-written documentation and sprucing it up some, but writing it from scratch is much harder for me to do well. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:22, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Stard disscusion.

Hello.

I'm editing card's info; adding spanish name and lores, and I'm wondering if it's necessary add "in the card's lore" the links in certain "keywords" (as shown in the english lore of this card): http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/AtoZ_Dragon_Buster_Cannon

I want to make this voluntary work right; I'm mostly focused on spanish missing data in the english Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia.

Thank you. Anubis76 (talk • contribs) 23:05, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

You don't have to link them in the Spanish lore, but if you don't mind and want, you can go for it, we only thank you.

What I would like to ask you is to add <br /> instead of making the paragraph at the card'slore, and to add the respective {{Unofficial name|Spanish}} and {{Unofficial lore|Spanish}} templates (or just "Spanish" to them in case they are already there). And, for a matter of consistency, place {{Unofficial name}} first and {{Unofficial lore}} under it, please. Like so. Thank you. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:15, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, @Becasita for your answer: Unfortunately, I'm not very good replying in Wikia, I'm a little more familiarized with stack Exchange's format (as you might noticed for the title of this entry).

I have a few more questions:

• The (Semantic Search) tool it's available in the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia (in spanish)?
• For example, please check the Backfire trap card.
  Link: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Backfire
  If in the spanish lore I put "FUEGO" instead of "FIRE", the linkk will redirect to "FIRE" page, but there will say: "Redirected from FUEGO". Example: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/FUEGO this change wont be a problem?
• I check also in the semantic search that the info can be exported to JSON, however, links in the lore "of any language" isn't available, maybe you know the reason?

Thank you. Anubis76 (talk • contribs) 23:25, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

Don't worry too much; I've reformatted your reply some to be more in line with the MediaWiki style. If I inadvertently changed part of it I shouldn't have, please feel free to adjust it further or to undo my changes. =)

If you didn't know, you can set your preferences to Spanish; that might help you out some.

Those links are fine, though be aware that the redirects are added by hand, and as a result we don't have redirects in place for many game terms in Spanish and other languages. If you would like to add any of these redirects, we can help you with how to do that too. In the meantime, you can link to a page with its English name, while displaying Spanish text, with a pipe, for example [[FIRE|FUEGO]] results in FUEGO.

I'm not sure what you're asking there; can you try to explain a bit better? Sorry!

Not that I'm trying to chase you away or anything, but if you're interested, there is also a Spanish wiki which could use plenty of work. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:46, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Dinoguy1000 for your answer. I'm going to explain about the "Semantic search" tool a little better "I'm the one who is not very fluent, thought" :), if maybe you're not a programmer (or if you just don't understand me - which is acceptable, of course -), please skip the following text:

If you click in this link [1], you'll download a JSON file with a query that I build using the "Semantic Seach" tool (I think that's the name). Here is the original link [2]

Example: this image shows a fragment of a JSON object [3] with the lore of a card, but, that object doesn't have a link for keywords like "FIRE".

I'm wondering if the JSON object could be modified in the "Semantic tool" for add the link in the JSON exported file.

----

I'll check the Wikia in spanish, but first, I want add spanish missing info here and of course, I'll help in the Wikia in spanish too.

Much appreciated and thank you. Anubis76 (talk • contribs) 00:08, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Card Counts

I removed the "card counts" from the status lists because, seeing as I didn't do that thing for the World Championship Lists, I felt that it wasn't really that needed after all. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 12:51, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

"Legal" Rights

I couldn't help but notice there was a bit of disagreement over whether or not cards such as "Number 22: Zombiestein" (a.k.a. a card that's only released in the North American TCG) should be considered "Legal" for tournament play. But in the case of "Zombiestein", if you were to let me, would you allow me to make a notification saying it currently isn't legal for TCG tournaments, since it's not released in European territories? --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 01:16, September 30, 2016 (UTC)

Coin Toss = no results found

Good day everyone.

I noticed that in the Coin Toss page [4] is empty = doesn't get any monster/spell/trap card, but a few days ago, when I check in this page, it was working fine:

Some examples of cards that I checked was:

- Agido - Abare Ushioni - Lucky Punch - Cup of Grace - Time Wizard - etc...

I'm building a "Lucky Deck" and I need check this page for query all cards which his "miscellaneous" property is "Coin Toss".

What could be the cause / changes made in the "Coin Toss" page (or in the properties of the Yu-Gi-Oh! cards "data") that cause that those pages can't get results?

Just a Yu-Gi-Oh! old-school duelist (Anubis76) 14:59, November 17, 2016 (UTC)

Hi there.

That's because the pages was moved and then edited to search for Coin toss instead of Coin Toss. The individual card pages are still tagged with the latter.

Here you can check the cards you're looking for. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 15:08, November 17, 2016 (UTC)

Actually, XBrain already solved the problem (thanks, XBrain!). Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 15:16, November 17, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, everyone! :)

Just a Yu-Gi-Oh! old-school duelist 04:04, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, could you help me, please?

Recently I´ve become Admin of [5] and I want to add new badges. But everytime I try to do that by writing something in "Create new track for category", nothing happens and this error comes up: "The specified category does not exist". Do you know what a problem can be?

Currently we have only basic badges - max. is 500 edits, 500 pictures, etc.

Thank you,

--Tamerlein the Green Flame (talk • contribs) 20:05, November 17, 2016 (UTC)Tamerlein

Lists of Monsters

I noticed that if you look through the List of Effect Monsters, any Extra Deck monsters and Pendulum Monsters that are also Effect Monsters don't show up on the list. While, obviously, the answer if looking for such monsters is to go through the lists for the Extra Deck Monster Card types and the list for Pendulum Monsters, is there a way to incorporate those monsters in the list for Effect monsters regardless? Somehow, I feel that those monsters should be on that list since they are Effect Monsters regardless. The same goes for the List of Pendulum Monsters, which excludes any Extra Deck Pendulum Monsters from it. Is there a way to include those monsters on the list as well. Additionally, another thing I've been wondering about for a while is if it is possible to link Pendulum Scale values on Pendulum Monster card pages to that respective list of monsters with that particular Pendulum Scale. We already have that sort of thing for Level/Rank, ATK, and DEF, where clicking the value will link you to a list of monsters that share the same stat. Any assistance on any of these inquiries would be greatly appreciated. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 01:13, December 21, 2016 (UTC))

Howdy!

Whew! Thanks to this I was able to find proof of life. Would you please not disappear again? People (i.e., moi) worry.😕 Hope all’s well. Let’s do talk sometime soon. — SpikeToronto 14:41, February 5, 2017 (UTC)

Good job with the Link parameters on CardTable2

Do you think you could add the same stuff to Template:Anime card (since we have "Decode Talker (anime)"), or is it too early? --XBrain130™「Ｘ (エックス) ブレーン１３０」 21:57, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

Done, let me know if you notice problems anywhere. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:53, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. If I may, can I also request the Template:Card query to be edited to look like this when Link Monsters are called for? --XBrain130™「Ｘ (エックス) ブレーン１３０」 23:01, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

Done. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 12:49, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

Uuhhh, shouldn't "Level/Rank" be left out for them since apparently they don't have them? --XBrain130™「Ｘ (エックス) ブレーン１３０」 14:29, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

Aah, good point! I overlooked that; thanks for the heads-up! 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 14:38, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

Pendulum Monster edit

I undid your revision of Pendulum Monster because the second half of the page was rendered as gibberish (even after refresh) and I couldn't find the cause; since previous versions were unaffected, I assumed it was something you'd done. I checked the log and the gibberish isn't there, so it must have been something screwy on my end. I apologize for breaching site etiquette. ShadowMonarch212 (talk • contribs) 07:24, February 21, 2017 (UTC)

Aah, no worries then. I just didn't know what was going on because you didn't leave an edit summary, or comment on the talk page or anything. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 14:46, February 21, 2017 (UTC)

Konami's Duel Monsters

I actually own 20 of the 22 Cards - I am Missing one of the two versions of BEWD , and Seiyaryu-G1-JP - I actually have had all 22 cards in my Posession at some point - and there are DEFINITELY , 2 versions of BEWD , one Marked "Not For Sale" - the other without this. I won the Seiyaryu on Ebay UK , but allowed it to go to a friend in Germany as it was the Last of the 22 cards he needed. (we agreed not to outbid each other ) Also these are Definitely NOT Holofoil , but glossy coated (almost like the Booster 1-7 Series ), and because of the way the Art is done , they look almost 3D - very clever.

Hope this Helps not confuses things . Once I keep unpacking I will find the folder with mine copies in . If I remember correctly my copy of BEWD is the 2nd Version , so will scan it .

Best regards , nukleopatra01 --Nukleopatra01 (talk • contribs) 18:12, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

I don't doubt what you're saying, though for BEWD we would need to find out what release the "NOT FOR SALE" version was in (I would suspect - without any actual evidence to back it up of course - that it was an attendee card for a MCBB tournament or something, given that Seiyaryu was an attendee ("meeting experience", whatever that's supposed to mean) card for the DM1 tournament). As for the rarity, I can only go off of what others report and what the wiki has claimed, since I've never personally even seen one of these cards in real life, and the wiki has claimed for as long as I'm aware that these cards are Holofoil Rare (e.g. the "Holofoil Rare" page was created in January 2007 with that claim, and presumably it reflected earlier-added claims on other pages here); it's worth pointing out that the Holofoil Rare page itself only describes the rarity features as "akin to Super Rares, but [with] a coating very similar to Parallel Common cards", and that the pre-OCG Konami promos are the only cards which we note as having this rarity (so if, as I suspect, your problem with the rarity is its name, then that's something we could easily enough change without disturbing or otherwise having to update any other card pages).

If you manage to find your "NOT FOR SALE" BEWD, could you check and compare its backing to the backing of both the MCBB promos and the DM1 promos? It would be helpful to know if it matches one or the other of them; and in the event it matches neither, we'd want an image of its backing.

One last note, if you're able to get high-quality scans of your cards, we could definitely use better images of most (possibly all) of these cards, if it wouldn't be too much trouble. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:33, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Token header

Don't know if it's intended or not but for tokens the header for the card type still use "Types" and not "Card type" Chinhodado (talk • contribs) 15:58, March 12, 2017 (UTC)

It's intended, yeah. If you look on the cards themselves, you'll see that "Token" is listed in the types string (e.g. [Beast / Token]). Since you made me think of it, though, Counters should probably list "Counter" under "Card type" instead of under "Types". 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:40, March 12, 2017 (UTC)

I don't see "Token" on the card (e.g. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Lord_Token just has [Dragon] not [Dragon / Token]), though? Also that card has "Card type: Monster" but other tokens (like http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Token_(Yugi_and_Dark_Magician) ) don't? If it's about having level/atk/def/type then this one http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Laval_Token doesn't have any on the card itself but it also does have "Card type: Monster". It's very inconsistent. I think all tokens should have "Card type: Monster" Chinhodado (talk • contribs) 00:22, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, Becasita and I investigated this earlier, after I replied here, and it turns out I was talking nonsense. Token cards that have been shown or released only have a types string if the card has a more specific name than "Token", otherwise they leave out that entire line. In addition, OCG/TCG and some video game Token cards don't include the word "Token" in the types string at all; the only cases I'm aware of now where the word "Token" is included is for Tokens featured in Power of Chaos and Duel Arena (though I wouldn't be surprised if there were other video games that also do this).

The "Card type: Monster" thing isn't as consistent as it should be, no. For the OCG/TCG card template, that whole thing is fairly new, and added on top of lots of legacy functionality/behavior which makes it much less straightforward than you would expect to "correctly" implement it. I think fixing it for Tokens should be pretty straightforward, though. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:46, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

All Tokens should be showing "Card type: Monster" now; please poke me if you spot one that isn't (or if you notice anything else that you think needs changed about how the template works). =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:53, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation and the quick fix! Another thing that I don't know if it has to do with the template or not is that many tokens (e.g. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Laval_Token ) do not have the "TCG Cards" or "OCG Cards" category. I can't figure out how to add category to a card so I couldn't do it myself Chinhodado (talk • contribs) 01:01, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

That's because those categories specifically aren't added for Tokens (which instead have "Category:Tokens" and "Category:Unusable cards"). I'm not sure if we want the "OCG/TCG cards" categories on Tokens either; ultimately, it comes down to what purpose we want those categories to serve. Though thinking about it, I'm not sure if "Category:Unusable cards" is appropriate for Tokens (or Counters) either, since they can be used in a Duel, they just can't be included in a Deck. So I guess we should treat "Category:OCG/TCG cards" and "Category:Unusable cards" as mutually exclusive, with all OCG/TCG cards falling in either one or the other? At least, that sounds reasonable to me... 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:18, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

I went ahead and changed that behavior too; if someone doesn't like it, they can always complain and then we can figure out what to do from there. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:23, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again! From my point of views any card that has been released in OCG/TCG sets and have a set number should be considered TCG/OCG cards and have those categories, tokens included. I don't know if there is any weird corner case for that logic but that seems reasonable. Chinhodado (talk • contribs) 01:31, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Tip Cards and Strategy Cards have card numbers, but are unplayable, though you could argue that since they're physical cards released in the OCG/TCG, they qualify as OCG/TCG cards. Maybe what we could use instead is a "Category:Playable cards", but I feel like that might be edging into overengineering for something that's probably not really a problem. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:54, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

OCG/TCG Booster Packs category

Continue with the topic of category, many booster pack do not have the "TCG Booster Packs" or "OCG Booster Packs" category, such as http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Pack_Battle_Royal , or http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_Pack:_Epic_Dawn . Looking at the source code of these pages I think I can add the categories in myself, but I don't know if you have a more efficient way to do it instead of going through each booster pack. Chinhodado (talk • contribs) 05:02, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

The set categories are mostly manually applied; I don't think we could easily automate them without adding new parameters to the infobox. So for now, at least, you should add the categories manually, yeah. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:38, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Don't we already have the info we needed in the infobox? All packs have the "Type: Booster Pack" row, and we can figure out the TCG/OCG part based on whether the pack has a TCG/OCG release date Chinhodado (talk • contribs) 16:17, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

There are a number of more-specific categories that are used instead of the "OCG/TCG Booster Packs" categories (and the same for many of the other broad set categories); this is what I was referring to when I said the infobox would probably need new parameters before they could be automated. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:47, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Card query again

Would it be possible to have Card type display like Primary type (i.e. omit "Monster card" and just list the likes of "Xyz Monster", "Synchro Monster", etc.)? It just goes to pointlessly double the lenght of the table... --XBrain130™「Ｘ (エックス) ブレーン１３０」 18:56, March 14, 2017 (UTC)

How does that double the length of the table when it's just one row? Chinhodado (talk • contribs) 19:00, March 14, 2017 (UTC)

Because Card type currently shows up as "Monster Card" and "Whatever Monster", separatedby a linebreak, making it the row twice as deep. Just compare on themember list page of any archetype that has members in both the OCG/TCG and anime/manga. --XBrain130™「Ｘ (エックス) ブレーン１３０」 19:10, March 14, 2017 (UTC)

It makes the table taller, Chinhodado. Especially on screen resolutions large enough to keep most of the table contents from wrapping, it can significantly increase the height of the table.

XBrain, the plan for Property:Card type is to have it eventually reflect card type and thus only list "Monster Card", "Spell Card", etc. However, befoe we get to that point, I need to have confidence that the majority of queries have been updated and don't rely on the property for selecting only e.g. Fusion Monsters, or that queries that do are mostly generated by templates and so can all be updated at once with only a few edits. Changing it at this point to only list primary monster types would be a step back in that plan. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:14, March 14, 2017 (UTC)

Well, I always go around checking if there are queries missing or outdated, so I could help switch them to this next format. But then it would be better if Primary type was enabled for OCG/TCG monsters too. After that, is there a way to track every instance of the Ask function? --XBrain130™「Ｘ (エックス) ブレーン１３０」 19:22, March 14, 2017 (UTC)

I actually went and added Property:Primary/Secondary type support to CT2 just after commenting here, so queries can start being properly updated now (though it might be best to wait a few hours or so for page caches to be cleared). The main thing to be done in updating queries is just to switch them to {{Card query}} (unless they're displaying information in a way the template doesn't support), and make sure the actual query string isn't looking for monster type values in the Card type property.

I don't think there's any robust way to track all uses of #ask, though you can get some information from Special:TagsReport. (This was one of my motivations for creating the card query template, just to allow for better tracking of queries). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:40, March 14, 2017 (UTC)

Crap, I just noticed something went wrong. Any page monster whose cache was updated now doesn't show its own Type: User:XBrain130/Queries#Primary type status --XBrain130™「Ｘ (エックス) ブレーン１３０」 21:02, March 15, 2017 (UTC)

I have no idea why; if you check e.g. The 13th Grave, you'll see that its Type is being stored to Property:Type. I tried null-editing it and your page, but the Type still isn't showing... =/ 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:45, March 16, 2017 (UTC)

Actually, I'm an idiot. I accidentally removed the property from CT2. I've readded it, and things should be working correctly again now (page caches notwithstanding). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:53, March 16, 2017 (UTC)

Would it be possible for these guys show up as both "Fusion/Synchro/Xyz Monster" and "Pendulum Monster"? Also related to it, Pendulum Tuners have both "Pendulum Monster" and "Effect Monster" in Primary type. --XBrain130™「Ｘ (エックス) ブレーン１３０」 10:01, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

That's going to require a deeper rethink/rewrite of the handling of monster types by the card templates, and the property system to store/query them. There's two main problems here: different groups of types are being treated as the same thing, and we don't have solid terminology and definitions for all of the groups (thanks Konami). This is something I've been aware of for a while now (SnorlaxMonster has also requested updates to the system that would require the rewrite), but I've been leery of actually trying anything because of the aforementioned lack of definitions and because CT2 doesn't have the best code base to launch such a rewrite on yet. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 11:16, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

So I got that right, the first thing is different from how "Torque Tune Gear" already appears as both "Union monster" and "Tuner monster"?

	Secondary type
Torque Tune Gear	Union monster Tuner monster

And the ones marked as Official can't be fixed despite the anime ones doing?

	Primary type	Class 1
D/D Brownie	Pendulum Monster
D/D Orthros	Pendulum Monster Effect Monster	Official
D/D Orthros (DY)	Pendulum Monster
Hallohallo	Pendulum Monster Normal Monster	Official
Harmonizing Magician	Pendulum Monster Effect Monster	Official
Luster Pendulum, the Dracoslayer	Pendulum Monster Effect Monster	Official
Magicalibra	Pendulum Monster Normal Monster	Official
Nobledragon Magician	Pendulum Monster Effect Monster	Official
Nobledragon Magician (DY)	Pendulum Monster
Performapal Odd-Eyes Synchron	Pendulum Monster Effect Monster	Official
Performapal Odd-Eyes Synchron (anime)	Pendulum Monster
Speedroid Dominobutterfly	Pendulum Monster Effect Monster	Official
White Wing Magician	Pendulum Monster Effect Monster	Official

Sorry if I'm repeating myself, I just want to be sure. --XBrain130™「Ｘ (エックス) ブレーン１３０」 12:05, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

It's not that they can't be fixed, it's that we have to be careful with it since any mistakes are likely to be hard to fix/reverse (for this reason, I want to make sure I have a good understanding of how the types actually interrelate and work before attempting the rewrite). And yeah, "Torque Tune Gear" works as expected because of how the current system is implemented, and the rewrite should preserve that. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 13:09, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

Duel Links cards

Hello I'm looking to work on tagging some of the cards that are available in the Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Links - this game is continuously gaining popularity and I'm thinking people can use this wiki for information about the cards (since the game uses the updated effects of the real cards). My problem is I don't know how to start, can you please help me or point me to someone that can? Thanks in advance! KaousFaustXIII (talk • contribs) 08:14, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

Hi KaousFaustXIII, to start with, can you tell me what information you'd like to add about the cards? Names, effects, sets, numbers, etc. You can look around at the sort of information we currently have on various video games for ideas if needed. This will let me know what things need to be added to the card template to allow you to start documenting things. You can also start uploading card images if you'd like; in that case, though, please let me explain our image naming policy before you start uploading (I won't bore you with the details unless you intend to upload images). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 09:02, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

Where did the name "Lynxslayer" come from?

Hi.

I was just wondering where the name "Lynxslayer" came from? Is that its TCG name? It's a cool name, since I like the puns, but I was just curious were it came from.

Thanks for your time.J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 02:39, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

One of the Org translators had an epiphany about it shortly before I renamed it, and poked me to update the wiki. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:17, March 31, 2017 (UTC)

Ah, makes sense. Thanks again. :)

J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 07:33, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

"Status List Name"

I saw that for the April 2017 Lists, you've created a "Status List Name" template, which I'm assuming you did to save some space. (And at the same time, I'm assuming you are the one who made that template.) I must admit, I never would've thought of that.

But if it's not too much trouble to ask, and I know that this isn't necessarily important because we haven't getting any new Forbidden/Limited Lists from that region: But is it possible that such a template exclusive to the Traditional Chinese OCG format could be made? Again, I know it's not that crucial because there was only one list; but with the fact it exists, it would make sense, right? And don't worry, I can make it myself; but if I do, would it have to be renamed to {{Status list name ja}}, or something like that? Please let me know! --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 01:52, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

You can do it like {{Status list name|Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier|zh}}. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 10:25, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

Actually, my motivation for the template was just to eliminate copy-paste errors where a card is linked, and the Japanese name of a different card is shown alongside it, as well as to ensure that all entries would be formatted the same (it also lets us update the format of everything with a single edit, should we decide some time in the future that we want to change things).

I actually completely forgot abou the Chinese list when I created the template; otherwise I would have made sure it supported that case too. In any case, Beca added support for it (thanks! ^^ ), and did so in the same way I would have, so for now there's nothing else to be done really (other than converting the other OCG lists to use the template). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 12:52, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

Traptrix Coronatus

Oh yes, that was by accident. I created the Traptrix Coronatus page, not realizing that it already existed under the name Traptrix Ranka, so I intended to move the page I made to be a Card Trivia page for the card instead, since there was a bit of trivia regarding that card. Then after that, my intention was to move the already created Traptrix Ranka page to the Traptrix Coronatus name. The thing was, I accidentally moved the already existing Traptrix Ranka page instead of the page I created, but I only realized my mistake after the move occurred. So I just moved the card gallery page to the new name and left it at that, since I figured there was little else I could do about the matter. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 21:14, April 12, 2017 (UTC))

Vol.6 reprints

Apparently Vol.6 was reprinted as well. But images seem to be scarcer.

I think you're overdue for more archiving. And when did you become a Councilor? What even is that?--Golden Key (talk • contribs) 13:02, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

Upon further investigation, at least as far back as Vol. 4 seem to have been reprinted. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 13:16, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that the majority of Series 1 was reprinted at this point.

Yes, I haven't archived since 2015, so things are getting a bit on the long side here. =)

The Community Council is kind of the successor to the Wikia Stars program; it's basically a group of editors to whom Wikia grants early access to certain upcoming features and changes, to gather opinions and suggestions. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:41, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

Found something interesting. According to a translation of this site, there were cards reprinted for a "Studio dice enter". Some sort of contest or event perhaps? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:00, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

Googling "スタジオダイス入り" turns up some interesting results, including this page which states that Studio Dice is Kazuki Takahashi's production studio and that the early cards with the extended copyright notice are called "Studio Dice version", and this page suggests that the Studio Dice prints were printed during Series 2, after Magic Ruler. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:00, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Speed World 2

I feel that multiple VG lores should only be present on a card page if they contain any differences, so that anyone reading the page knows from a look that the lores are different. In this case, listing both the WC10 and WC11 lore felt misleading, so I kept the card's most recent incarnation and removed the older.

Though, thinking of it now, perhaps I should have kept the older and removed the most recent, to show that the lore never changed between games.

In any case, these are my reasons, but I won't protest if you wish to replace the removed lore.

TheycallmeBrick (talk • contribs) 15:54, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

About the Timelord page

What did I just added? I only edited the weaknesses (replaced "Hook the Hidden Knight" to "Threatening Roar"... = =--Jared 23:34, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

You added the text "(pending additional supports)" to the {{Decklist}} title. This text is unnecessary because archetype/series Deck recommended cards may change at any time with the release of new cards which render older recommended cards less useful or desirable. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:48, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I see now! I apologize for that! --Jared 00:03, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

id for template rows

Is it possible to add the id attribute to rows in a template, especially for the card template and booster template? It would make parsing the data a lot easier. My current parsing code relies on the HTML structure of the template which can and do change all the time. Having ids for content rows is much better. Chinhodado (talk • contribs) 03:16, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

It's better if you use the SMW API to get your info. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 17:54, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Humanoid Slime question

I was updating my spreadsheet for my card collection by going through relevant pages on the site and I came across something that struck me as being rather odd on the page. The cover card is for DB1 (Which I do agree with) however the cover card should be the NEWEST Release. I was going down the release dates for the sets and saw LON-EN came out a couple of months after DB1. while the original release of LON came out the previous year. In that case then shouldn't the image have gone (LON->DB1->LON-EN)? as I said I think DB1 IS proper However... I just don't know and I did't really knowwhere discussion on that problem might have already taken place. Glittersword ^{Talk • Contributions} 17:47, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

It was updated. Thanks! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 19:08, June 10, 2017 (UTC)