Not all related cards show up in ArchetypeNavBox

I noticed there's this problem still. Is this reported or there is some change we need to make?

One archetype for example that doesn't have all the related cards for it is Archfiend. Pandemonium is listed as a support card but it's not listed in the NavBox on the Archfiend page.

--Xsamuraizx (talkcontribs) 00:03, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

The "Archfiend" page was renamed recently. It used to be at the plural "Archfiends". Pages like "Pandemonium" are still using |archsupport1 = Archfiends and the system doesn't handle redirects like it used to. They need to be changed to |archsupport1 = Archfiends to appear on the navbox. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:06, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
Ah thanks for that information. I won't actively help fix pages that have that problem, but I will help when I happen to be looking at the archetype. I assume you mean |archsupport1 = Archfiend without the plural form. --Xsamuraizx (talkcontribs) 22:04, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Oh yeah, sorry. That's what I meant. Thanks. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:05, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Decided to fix some pages today but I noticed Pandemonium had |archsupport1 = Archfiend already because you fixed it, but it doesn't show up in the Archfiend's navbox still. Is there a delay when it will update? If yes, that's one hell of a delay. --Xsamuraizx (talkcontribs) 21:46, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I see "Pandemonium" in the navbox on both the "Pandemonium" and "Archfiend" articles. Which pages aren't you seeing it on? -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:52, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I don't see "Pandemonium" and "Mist Archfiend" on any of the pages. If you can see it, then maybe it's my problem. I cleared my browser's cookies & caches but I still don't see them show up. I use firefox. --Xsamuraizx (talkcontribs) 22:03, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Neither would be in Google Chrome when I checked it. So delay problem is what cause the reason of the conflict. --FredCat 22:09, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Try adding ?action=purge to the end of the url. That should force the newest version to appear. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:23, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Oh dang that actually works. I checked before adding it and none of the missing cards showed up. Now tried it and it shows up nicely. I removed the url addition and the regular page have all the cards too. Thanks Deltaneos.--Xsamuraizx (talkcontribs) 02:34, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately I'm back here again. Mara of the Nordic Alfar wasn't showing up in the Nordic archetype navbox even though I see no problem with the code yesterday. I tried the purge ending that you mentioned before but it came up with a navbox with bunch of broken links. Not links for each member, just a single line for each section. Now today I don't even see navbox for any page. I wonder if it's because I'm not using the newest updated version of firefox. --Xsamuraizx (talkcontribs) 02:03, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
Semantic MediaWiki is turned off, so the whole site has problems. Give it a few more days, when they turn it back on, it should work again.
@Deltaneos: Any thoughts on putting a variation of the SMW notice in the site notice? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:25, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
O_O I thought I already did. My edit mustn't have saved. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:10, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

5D's 152

do you have an HD RAW for 5d's episode 152?? (Yusuke89 (talkcontribs) 21:57, June 1, 2011 (UTC))

No. Sorry. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:04, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

"Missing the Timing"

Some unregistered user continued to ignoring my order about not put up some non-official proof in that article, can you give him some word about the reason why it is not official? It's about "/Assault Mode" being missing time. --FredCat 10:34, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Rumours of my demise are greatly exaggerated.

Good to see the place in good nick. Solid work.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:59, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, Fox! It is awesome to see you back here. Thank you. How are things? -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:02, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Things are very good. Allow me to explain my admittedly abrupt departure. I had been living in a flat with some former friends, and I had to sell off my collection to raise the funds required to eat 3 square meals a day. It basically took the fun out of what I had. Looking around, I'm quite impressed with what's here. Sad to see what happened to UDE, from what I gather from reading the Forum here, it's causing a few headaches.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 23:13, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Ow, that sucks. Hope you're back on your feet now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:29, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Hey Fox, I'm not sure if you remember me, but I was active for a few months back in 2007-2008 and we talked (well, more participated in the same discussions) to a degree; it's really cool seeing you back here (though it sucks hearing you had to sell off your collection; I'd hate to have to do the same with my own)! =D ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:35, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
I do indeed remember you. I'm certainly back on my feet, more or less curious as to what's changed since my departure (Still a fan of the anime, though).--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 17:00, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Well, a few months ago, I completed a rewrite of {{CardTable2}} and am now working off-and-on on another rewrite; I've created {{OCG-TCG card image}} to semiautomatically display various information on image pages for OCG/TCG cards and add maintenance tags and categories as necessary; and am working (also off-and-on) on {{OCG-TCG set table}}, {{Set}}, and {{Card table set}}, for a set version of CardTable2, a central, standardized way to get "canon" set names and abbreviations in any language, and a standardized display of set information on card pages, respectively. Back when I came back and started getting involved again (in late 2009 (wow, has it really been that long already? o_O )), I developed and started deploying {{Unofficial name}} (originally "Approximate name") and, later, {{Unofficial lore}}; "Unofficial name" is now one of the most widely used templates on the wiki. I've also created, rewritten, or tweaked several dozen other templates, helped get a complete category system in place, helped with a redesign of the forums (mostly their deployment rather than their design), spurred the adoption and wider use of several stylistic habits, and several other tidbits here and there.
Deltaneos has also helped out immensely with the templates; he's showed me all sorts of neat tricks for utilizing StringFunctions and SMW, neither of which I'd worked with at all before coming back here. He also does a lot of grunt work with recategorizing pages as we continue to update the category system, both with his bot and manually, and recently, he's been creating a lot of articles for people involved in the various anime series (mostly seiyū and certain staff members). Several months ago, he also pretty much single-handedly set up the RFA system, which looks to be running pretty smoothly. All in all, he's easily done far more work here than I have. =D
On the topic of administrators, there have been several of them promoted since I started contributing again, starting with PoirotH (talk contribs) in September 2009, Trivi-AM (talk contribs) in January 2010, Bluedog187 (talk contribs) in March 2010, me in May 2010, and after geting RFA set up, Cheesedude (talk contribs) and Falzar FZ (talk contribs) in January this year, Blackwings0605 (talk contribs) in February, and Wilimut (talk contribs) just last March. As I mentioned above, we also have a couple of bots now - Dinobot1000 (talk contribs) was promoted in September 2009, and DeltaneosBot (talk contribs) in June 2010 (and despite the age disparity, DeltaneosBot still has more edits than my own =D ).
On the anime and manga front, both the GX manga and the 5D's anime have drawn to a close, and Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL has started in their place. As far as the card game, there's a card effect redesign set to start getting deployed next month with the goal of making card effects much more understandable and easier to use, thereby exponentially cutting down on the number of rulings needed.
There's bound to be lots of other interesting stuff that has also happened, but this is most of what I can think of right now... are there any corrections or additions you'd like to make, Delt? =)
And, how much of a collection do you have now, Fox? Is it anything like it was before your financial difficulties? ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:45, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
You forgot that you also created {{Yu-Gi-Oh! manga appearances}} and {{Yu-Gi-Oh! anime appearances}}, which are awesome, except for your taking so long to decide how to separate episodes (you knew I was saving that one). Oh, and hi Fox. I'm Cheesedude. You have no idea who I am, but good to meet you. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:56, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
I actually thought about that midway through listing the other stuff, but decided to leave it out because I felt I'd already done more than enough self-promotion. =D ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:05, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Aside from what Dinoguy's mentioned...
In Yu-Gi-Oh! itself:
  • 4Kids are getting sued by TV Tokyo and NAS.
  • Xyz Monsters have been added to the card game.
  • Rules have changed slightly in the OCG; You can't call Priority to activate an Ignition Effect after Summoning a monster. This will probably be changed in the TCG too when the next Starter Deck comes out.
On the wiki:
  • There's obviously this new skin, which we didn't have much choice over.
  • Lately Wikia's become a lot more focused on attracting contributers than the actual encyclopedic content of wikis. You can see this in a lot of their new features: badges, picture attribution, blogs, newly created wikis have article comments instead of talk pages. At least we have a choice in using most of the features and one positive one is the chat feature, which is similar to IRC and we should be able to enable it here sometime next month.
  • The Main Page is a bit tidier.
  • On the forums, actual wiki discussion has been separated from general Yu-Gi-Oh! discussion, the layout has been redesigned, sticky threads have been added and threads older than 40 days now get an "archived" notice and the "edit" button becomes unclickable (although it's still possible to edit the page).
  • There aren't too many users you'd be familiar with still around. Rod and III are still here. Dantman is still around, but doesn't do as much on Wikia these days. Jennie Rocket, who you might remember from IRC is still on IRC.
  • You've only just missed Deus Ex Machina by a few months. He's unfortunately left due to health problems. Huajun Chen and D.Kaiser each left around the times they started college. Pcouw has had a second child. Look234, irrc, was finding it hard to fit the wiki in his life with college, family and his girlfriend. AnnaV, I think, left after moving back to her home country. I've no idea what happened to Van Ludwig. According to Special:ListUsers he hasn't even logged in since he stopped editing. Tyrant Slayer, I think, has been busy with real life, plus that flu scare in Mexico in 2009 kept him away from computer access for a while. Danny has unfortunately died after a life of sickness, but managed to live twice as long as doctors had predicted. And apologies to anyone I've left out.
-- Deltaneos (talk) 18:43, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
The new skin has been something of a bone of contention for me as well. I know WoWWiki's core staff left, and set up their own mirror in protest at it. Nathan has been busy with College, I've had him on MSN, but he's been well at least.
  • The change to Priority is a big surprise. Never expected that.
  • I do still have a collection, however I haven't audited it properly yet.
  • Sad to hear Danny passed away. How did you find out?
  • Glad to see more SysOps around the place. It was hard to promote people back then because of Nightmare81, et al (whom has thankfully fucked off YouTube, and hopefully had fallen under a bus).
  • I see the changes made to CT2, and looks like a fine job. What are the major changes to how it works since I left?--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 19:07, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • Wikia staff were a bit unfair to WoWWiki. They jumped on the first excuse they found to demote the admins who had left to the new domain. Although WoWWiki at least got a wider content area with the new skin due to the vast majority of readers having wider screen resolutions.
  • Nathan is Narchibald, right? He dropped by after the new skin to discuss some format changes.
  • Someone left a notice on his user page. The thread linked to has been removed since, but you can find it here too. Just see the post by Joe Zaza, his brother.
  • CardTable2 updates:
  • It used to be a big sea of #ifs and #switches crammed together. The code is much more legible now.
  • Documentation is a bit more organised.
  • Sometimes SMW randomly gets disabled on Wikia. CardTable2 has a bunch of fallbacks now, so pages basically don't turn to crap when that happens.
  • Separate parameters like |altatk for non-numeric values aren't needed anymore.
  • It stops card images going beyond 300px. We've had to cut back from 400 to 300, since the new skin doesn't have a very wide content area.
  • Radaghast cooked-up a few more SVG icons to use in it.
  • This hasn't been added yet. But we're going to use Template:Ruby/split so that you need only enter |jpname = Japanese name with ruby markup and it will automatically strip what you enter into its kanji and kana-only versions, rather than use three separate parameters.
-- Deltaneos (talk) 19:59, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Lucky that they didn't do that to our faith Founder like to one of that Admins in WoWWiki. --FredCat 20:04, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
I like the Ruby change, although it's still disappointing to see only lukewarm support for the Ruby tag in some browsers.
  • Yep, Narchibald.
  • Is YGO still used by Wikia as a testbed for MediaWiki/SMW upgrades?
  • How many of the old YGO sites are still going? Can't see to find evidence of RONIN, or that rulings website it used.
  • WoWWiki's usefulness has actually been surpassed by WoWPedia, the sister site, primarily because Curse Networks seem to have a more solid model to bring in contributors (Such as from the MMO Champion Forums, etc).
  • Also, any idea what the latest Video game is that has the largest collection of released cards to play?--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 20:32, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • Additional: What's with the Hero -> HERO switch?--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 20:32, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
That's to help prevent the "Stratos'" repeat reprint with each updating "Hero" name they released, and that help them prevent from searching for "Hero Kid" and few cards that related to the names. If you wish to know, just try to find "Burnpsy" as he was one bring this idea up. --FredCat 20:37, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Test wikis for MediaWiki/SMW upgrades vary.
Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's World Championship 2011: Over the Nexus is the latest video game. Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Tag Force 5 is the second most recent. The World Championship games are more like the OCG/TCG. The Tag Force ones include anime-only cards and proper Dark Synchro Monsters. (In the real world, Dark Synchro Monsters were released as regular Synchro Monsters.)
Konami have made some changes to terminology. All "Hero" cards are being reprinted as "HERO". With two new types of "HERO" cards, "Vision HERO" and "Masked HERO", cards like "Elemental Hero Stratos" and "Divine Neos" were getting messy. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:47, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Since Konami has taken over from UDE, they haven't been shy about errata'ing the names of cards that have already been released in the TCG for the sake of archetype support simplicity. e.g. "Amazon Archer" → "Amazoness Archer", "Oscillo Hero #2" → "Wattkid". -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:50, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Very much in favour of that. Heck, I'm just pleased they finally released an Errata'd "Ocean Dragon Lord - Neo-Daedalus". The Hero change also makes a lot of sense, also ties the TCG cards somewhat closer to their OCG counterparts. I read earlier about Rulings prior to Crimson Crisis not being valid in Konami's eye, I take it there are no replacement rulings so far for these cards?--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 21:03, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
No replacements have been issued yet, as far as I know. The forum where Konami announced this requires a sign in, so there could be details that I'm missing. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:11, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I forgot to answer your question on Yu-Gi-Oh! sites still active. I'm not familiar with the RONIN site you mentioned. (obviously), Shriek, ShriekTCG, manjyomethunder,, Pojo and Janime are still around. I don't think Netrep gets updated much these days. still exists. It doesn't update, but it's pretty much already finished summarising the series and won't be bothering with any of the newer series. LittleKuriboh's YouTube account (CardGamesFTW) keeps switching between being banned and unbanned. There are a couple of helpful Japanese sites, at least one Chinese one and numerous image sources. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:56, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
Oh crap, I never realized Curse were the ones hosting WowPedia... I like them quite a bit; I've become a somewhat active contributor on their Minecraft wiki over the past few months. I'd still personally like to run as far away from Wikia as we could, and if we ever do, Curse is who I'd be likely to turn to for hosting.
On the subject of TC2 updates, the second major update I'm working on (or not) now involves fully splitting the template into a frontend wrapper that does lots of parameter preprocessing and sets a bunch of parameter "flags", and a backend core that handles the actual template display and whatnot.
Some other upcoming card effect changes I like quite a bit are replacing "remove from play" with "banish", piercing effects with "this card does piercing damage", and clearly separating Conditions, Activations, and Resolutions. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:39, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I don't see curse hosting an Anime wiki. However, it is good news that the database from here can be easily downloaded.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 14:39, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Elemental HERO Dark Neos' Errata Issue

I spotted the issue that you leave behind, "File" didn't help with the |image = part. So I just change them into "Image" instead, to make them appearing. And I don't get why back card had = instead of -. Again, I covered it. --FredCat 14:04, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Changing "File" to "Image" didn't actually make a difference. The images hadn't been renamed from "Hero" to "HERO" before you edited the page, but they were moved while you were editing it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:08, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Update on some changes, running them by you

First up, we now have a rolling count of Official, Anime-Exclusive, and Manga-Exclusive cards on the Main Page. The Class 1 property now has an actual role to play.

Second, Template:CardEffects-Summoning is an idea of a larger idea to unify the SMW search properties in something slightly tidier than a Category. Let me know what you think.

Third, noticed that there are some deviations from 'Official' Wiki formatting i.e. using [[Elemental Hero]]es. I know this is purely nit-picking, but do you agree that Elemental Heroes et al, looks tider?--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 14:39, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, cool.
Yeah, that looks good. Those pages need more organising. But I'd insist on also keeping some sort of category structure for them. I think we should aim to have all our articles fit into one overall category structure. Among other things, Special:UncategorizedPages would be more useful and there's some stuff with Special:BrowseData I'd like to do. (That's an SMW function which relies on categories.)
Is the problem you're highlighting linking to redirects or putting the end of the word outside the link rather than piping it or both? -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:01, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting we remove the categories at all. My plan was to divide the articles across templates (with a central linking function in the {{{above}}} section. There's too large a number of search categories for it to cleanly be on one, but I think I can pan them out to a small handful of templates linked together.
Strictly speaking, it's both. It's etiquette on the large wikis that article links not only include direct links to articles, but also encapsulate the complete link text within the bracket link. This primarily for new users, as it gives them a clear definition of what text changes what, but it also looks cleaner when you look at the code.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 15:13, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
The best solution is to not make a big deal out of it. Some people hate seeing [[Yusei]] (me included) and some hate seeing [[Yusei Fudo|Yusei]]. I just link what I write my way and try not to go out of my way just to change how other people have linked what they've written. But when I have AWB's "apply general fixes" turned on, it will automatically convert links like [[destroy|destroyed]] to [[destroy]]ed. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:54, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
It is a largely stylistic issue, but the software will auto-link that stuff for us (and IMO the autolinked version looks tidier rather than the piped version; that particular argument can go both ways depending on what you're most used to seeing/using), so I don't see any especially compelling reasons to switch to the piped version. Wikipedia also uses the autolinked version, and you don't get many wikis bigger than it (there seems to be only one, really). ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:13, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
That link you post, Dino, has failed to showing in blue. --FredCat 16:17, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
m:List of largest wikis. They way he linked is how you you link to it when you're on Wikipedia. (wikipedia:meta:List of largest wikis). -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:23, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Well, to respect that, when I hover my mouse over his link, its stated to not be exist or something. So that's why I reminded him about what happened. But thank you for point it out, respect Admin. --FredCat 16:26, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
It's not so much the link is broken, as it is that I failed to preview before posting. I do that a lot on talk pages (though usually nothing comes of it). =D ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:28, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
It's alright, I only alert you about the problem. But still, D-Neos gave a good point about the reason why you used that link the way you see. --FredCat 16:29, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Yep, old habits die hard. ;) ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:38, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
I don't see any reason not to use destroyed over destroyed. Having said that, there are some things I still pipe, including character names. Also, this wiki has a massive overlinking problem in card pages. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:56, June 4, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Buch 10 Promo

i think it can be deleted for the reason you said. since the page was created by TwoTailedFox, i'll ask to him where he took that info, if he remembers.. /////||||||\\\\\ Jump Enemy (talkcontribs) 00:40, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Protection setting

I only entered "18 June, 2011" to the time, and it apparently turned out to be "20:11, June 18, 2011". -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:22, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
No matter; I got the idea. It also made an few coincidental converging numbers
i.e. my 2011 was interpreted as 20:11
and your "18 05 is also" is to "which is 18:05 later"
anyhow; "18 June 2011" (no comma) set it to the date, with 00:00 time, which was what I was intending. Apparently the comma makes it think 2011 is a time, not a year. (the protection time was changed just now since I was testing it)
The set release dates on the articles use the date/time with the comma ("18 June, 2011"); but I didn't know the comma would change it. It wasn't mentioned on the tar manual. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:54, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Errata Warning

If you find the one that I have post up, which was necessary to delete, can you just please note me as well, since I have obviously add them to my "Research" article - which can be easily find at my User Page if you're curious. If you did, then I will be aware that it's should to be remove from the list. I would like to be up-to-the-date with anything if something happened to them. --FredCat 00:26, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

dark bribe Vs. rainow ruins

if i choose to activate one of ancient city rainbow ruins effects can dark bribe negate it —This unsigned comment was made by Sammykill98 (talkcontribs) 03:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

"Dark Bribe" can be chained to the initial activation of "Ancient City - Rainbow Ruins". i.e. when you put the card face-up on the field. I don't think it can be chained to any of its individual effects because the card has already resolved. Upper Deck Entertainment have said it works that way. However Konami have declared all of UDE's rulings unofficial, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're wrong -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:55, June 6, 2011 (UTC)


Hola boss, what's up? Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 16:15, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reference Problem

I am trying to include the reference in my Judge Ruling (List R) and I have only know how to do with Note (which is seen in my Story/Character article). Should I do same way that I did with Note, only with Reference? --FredCat 11:48, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Can you link to the page you're using notes on? References should be mostly the same as notes. Normally we use "group=Note" to distinguish notes from references and leave the "group=" part out of references. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:04, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
Tried that once, didn't work and got Reference code error. --FredCat 19:34, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
Are you using <ref>Reference goes here</ref> next to text and <references /> at the bottom of the page? -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:37, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
That was in past, when I tried to add more reference for Future Release on updating lore in Errata Article, and had to decide on trying to reduce it into just 1 box. And if you curious, you can check it out in my Judge List, List - R. I got them fixing just now. Here's a link to where I am making a point. P.S. if you noticed (Incomplete) on that article, that's mean I am not complete sure if it's correct - It's about Revival Jam vs. Des Wombat. --FredCat 20:14, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Merge GX season 3 arcs.

In the Japanese version, the entirety of the third season of GX was retroactively named the "Dimension World" arc (trying to find an actual source for this, but I know it's true). The dub splits this into Survival Duels, Quest for the Rainbow Dragon and Into the Shadows. Should we merge these articles? Also, the Survival Duels article needs to be renamed to be singular and made to be about the Duels, not the pseudo-arc, I think. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:58, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

According to the Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Animation Book, the GX arcs are "Seven Stars" (1 to 52), "Society of Light" (53 to 104), "Dimension World" (105 to 156) and "Darkness" (155 to 180). Out of the names we're using ("Freshman Year", "Rise of the Sacred Beasts", "Society of Light", "Genex Tournament", "Survival Duels", "Quest for the Rainbow Dragon" and "Into the Shadows") "Rise of the Scared Beasts" is the only one I recall being officially used for the dub. I'm in favour of using the Japanese division and noting how they're split in the dub (if those names are official) on their articles. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:45, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
Heh, interesting that they classify the whole first season as Seven Stars. In regards to that name, do we use that as name of the arc? Or do we use "Shadow Riders"? We're not going to use "Nightshroud" for "Darkness" since there is no English season 4. I'm 95% sure that "Into the Shadows" was used for 131-156, officially. Also, I responded to your question about "Elemental Hero Inferno" on my own talk page. Not sure if you saw it. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:28, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
I agree, Darkness seems like the better choice for the final arc. I'm not sure about the first one. Shadow Riders seems right, being what the Seven Stars are called in the English version, but somewhat inconsistent with Rise of the Scared Beasts already being the English name for the portion of the arc they're actually in. Which do you think is better suited?
Also, is the GX manga considered to have different arcs?
(Yeah, I saw the "Inferno" reply.) -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:39, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
I would go with Shadow Riders, despite hating that name.
I'm not sure if there's any official arc splitting in the manga, but I'll look into it. I've seen it split this way by fans though.
  • 1-9 - Intro arc
  • 10-15 Koyo arc
  • 16-42 Duel Academy Tournament arc
  • 43-64 Overseas Champions arc
Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:00, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Cloudian - Cirrostratus' Italian Errata

I just went to that article and found that the Original and errata version have same lore in Italian, can you please explain to me why that have any difference? --FredCat 23:28, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

The last editor of the page changed it to make them the same. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:59, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
Oh wow, 2 years being sit there unnoticed till I came around. At least that solved the problem :-) --FredCat 00:03, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Meklords in the Sacred Cards List!?

Hello Deltaneos, How are you?? Well we have a problem here of organization in the Sacred Cardslist,nothing personal but: What the hell are doing the Meklords as Sacred Cards in the list ?! They don´t have any backstory like a legend ,a myth,past or something similar, despite of their high power in the game . But some people remove archetypes like Exodia And temporal machine gods as sacred cards(and both groups have their Story) to explain this more easier i will display you the list of archetypes and their legend/ancient times story:

Exodia: Is related with the Past of the Pharaoh(Atem).

Egypyian Gods: Is obvious, most of us, know their history

Wicked Gods: Are the shadow of the Egyptian gods in the manga.

Sacred Beasts: Sheppard talk a legend of the end of the world caused by this three monsters.All of their have variants of names of biblical characters(Uria-Uriah/Uriel, Hamon-Hamon/Haman-Raviel, Armityle-Armisael).

Orichalcos and Legendary Dragons: Enemies , they are related with the story of Atlantis in the anime.

Legendary Planets: As the article says they are powerful cards that represents the planets and the sun, they are related with Tragoedia in the manga.

Signer Dragons: Servants of the crimson Dragon, and a major plot in the 5d´s series.

Earthbound Immortals: Evil gods that was defeated by the Crimson Dragon and the Signer Dragons in the past.

Aesir: They are the three most important deities of the Norse Mythology.

Temporal Machine Gods: Despite of the word "temporal machine" they are in fact the Archangels (included the God Yahveh) of the Sefirot in the Kabbalah.


Meklords:The only reference is the suffix "-el" related with the names of the angels, but isnt enought to say that they are Gods,legendary creatures, powerful angels, etc..., in fact, they are only machines that will destroy the world in the future.

I wait your answer about this problem Greetings --Angellicantropo (talkcontribs) 00:13, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

There was another discussion about this here. I was in favour of removing "Meklord" and "Temporal Machine God", but wasn't sure about "Exodia". The reason I was against the "Temporal Machine God" cards was because they had no plot-significance apart from being used in a character's Deck. There are loads of cards based on high ranking religious or mythological beings. Only the ones where such beings have influence on the series' plot are listed. Other people argued in favour of "Meklord" because they have plot significance. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:27, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

RE:Get well soon

Thanks for your support :) I'm feeling a lot better now, so hopefully I can get back into the game soon! --Deus Ex Machina 18:53, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh! The Movie Kids WB promo

in my opinion that page should be renamed as "Kids WB Duel of Destiny Contest" or something like that. As you can see from the sources i posted (TV promo and so on), the EP1 promo wasn't released for the Movie, but for the screening of the Battle City arc. Besides i agree with you about this. /////||||||\\\\\ Jump Enemy (talkcontribs) 00:01, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Edit Remove/Return

Did you remember that we had a talk about the Edits Button in Archived articles, like for my past talk topics from my Talk Page into Archive 1, right? So last time we were talking about it, it was about "Edit" button that being disappeared but now it's returning to the site. I am wondering what happened to that opinion of preventing other users from screw up the archived topics? --FredCat 00:15, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

More Issues with Synjo

Forum. I suggested that he buy Sarcophagus online, and he blew up. I'd suggest that you give him some sort of warning about how he reacts to people's suggestions.BobaFett2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: People deleting my posts... again

  • Kay, I'm not getting into another revert war with that loser, considering how impossible he is and it would just be a waste of my time. However, I'd just like to make it clear that here, he reverted a relevant question in his deck help thread. He previous dismissed all help and even had a go at and flamed someone who was trying to help him make his deck better. I would like something to be done about this, because it looks like my very valid question is being reverted based solely on the fact that he has no answer and is just trying to troll.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 23:08, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
I had some talk with him and tried to get him to understand the reason of site. Also understand the quote of old time - "Stick/Stone can break bone, but word can't." - and just also I checked that he undoing his own post. --FredCat 23:12, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  • He undid his revert only because he saw that he had no right to when I went to a mod about it. He still has a problem with opposing opinions which he considers "harassment" and feels he has a right to revert posts he doesn't agree with, which he does not.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 23:14, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  • Reverted once again. What'd I tell you? The guy just can't handle other people's opinions. I was brash, but I did not flame him. Calling someone a "hypocrite" is not flaming, especially considering the truth behind it which I can prove. I don't appreciate my posts being deleted repeatedly at his discretion. Can something be done about this, pretty please?--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 23:26, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but no can do

As I tried explaining to FredCat, and as you can see from the posts of the people I got into the flame wars with on here, they're so indignant and self-important, they will keep on harassing me, no matter what I say or do. I tell them to leave me alone, they ignore me and continue to flame me; I explain why their suggestions won't work, they keep pushing the issue; I complain about their harassment, they try to make me out to be the bad guy; I try reverting their arguments without replying to avoid flame wars, they bring it back and accuse me of being an ass. I don't think just ignoring them and hoping they'll go away will do anything; hell, the argument with BobaGett wasn't even YamiWheeler's problem, yet he specifically decided to go into the thread and butt in, himself. He didn't have to be BobaFett's defender, and really, all he did was just stoke the fires by bashing on me. So I'm sorry, but I have no choice in the matter; I HAVE to defend myself against them, unless and until the mods help me get it through their thick skulls to leave me alone. There's no two ways about it; I've had this happen to me on other sites, and it ALWAYS has the same pattern: I go about my own business, some jackass like these people decide to get offended by something I say or start arguing with me on cards for no reason, they refuse to stop, even if I ask, until I bow down and kiss their feet in acknowledgment of their genius, I get in trouble with the mods, and I have to state my case and convince them rightfully that the other person was the instigator. So yeah, you want this to stop? Make sure YamiWheeler and BobaFett don't ever post in my deck threads anymore. Simple as that. SynjoDeonecros (talkcontribs) 02:25, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Toei episode 2 translations

-- III (talkcontribs) 19:06, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Honour.

Hey, can you please ban this sucker because he trolling our wiki with his insanity stuffs. --FredCat 19:59, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for swift banhammer. It was pleasure to see him having his head in the wall. :-) --FredCat 22:05, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

I have fun doing these kind of thing. World Championship 2008, is going to take a while. The rest are easy. WinterNightmare (talkcontribs) 21:32, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Card Rulings without Navigation

Hi Deltaneos! Lets say that someone created a Ruling page like this one Card Rulings:Golem Sentry without adding the {{Navigation}} template (and it hasn't been noticed by anyone, thus it still exist). This means that it does not appear in Category:Card Rulings. Is there a way to check those Ruling Pages that do not have the {{Navigation}} template? Something like a category that has every Ruling Page created, not just the navigated ones. Thanks! ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 11:01, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Assuming it's not been added to any other categories, it should show up on Special:UncategorizedPages. There doesn't seem to be any others right now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:11, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Here's you got every page on the wiki starting with Card Rulings: here Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 11:23, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Such pages also often show up on Special:DeadendPages. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:30, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you guys! ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 19:01, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Delete Notices

Well if you are going to delete the ones I put on, why not delete the ones that that other person first put on?

Tommy2215 (talkcontribs) 19:28, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't say I was necessarily going to delete it. The page was nominated for deletion. When this happens users can posts reasons in favour or against the deletion on the talk page and the decision may be based on them.
But yes, if it mostly agreed to delete the image, I would say it would make sense to delete the similar ones, unless the reasons given apply to that particular image only. If it's mostly agreed to keep it, the other ones should left alone too. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:46, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Card name

Ok, that does make sense, but I just want to be sure about that at first. And now I know that you trust him, then I will let him do it. --FredCat 22:37, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Demon or Daemon

For "Archfiend" cards, should the "trans" parameter use "Demon" or "Daemon"? I know both are commonly used, but there's no consistency here. By extension, should both of those or only one of them redirect. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 20:38, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

I use "Demon", since Yusei's visor and Red Demon's Noodle have both spelled it that way. I haven't seen "Daemon" used officially. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:42, June 25, 2011 (UTC)


From Janime forums as always. Yet they state they currently unconfirm so thats why i put that unconfirm notice. Sorry if someone is on the quest to erase because of this as there's still nop confirmation is what posted is true. DracoX (talkcontribs) 03:39, June 26, 2011 (UTC)


Sorry if this had been asking before... So why not including 5D's and ZEXAL to the Timeline? If you have any objection, please give me all the details of the reason why they are not possible to be involve in the timeline. Thanks for your responds and check up. --FredCat 00:10, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

I just added some B.C. events and events from the beginning of the series. The page isn't finished and I didn't get as far as adding many 5D's or any ZEXAL events. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:54, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
I just saw that and was wondering why you didn't get that far. So sorry if I pushed you over the edge and made you stress over little thing like that. So why not ask Coffeedude and Dino to help you cover the base? --FredCat 01:06, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry. I didn't feel stressed or anything like that. I'm not really in a hurry to finish the page, but anyone is free to add to the page and I might work on it some more to it later. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:22, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
Glad that you managed to keep your temperature at cool level. I have never see you being blow up since the curse in my talk page a while ago. --FredCat 01:27, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
Delt has always struck me as being much like myself, in that it generally takes a *lot* to set him off... Definitely not a bad trait to have in a community leader. ;) ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:43, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Card Lists

Are we suppose to list cards using the template or with the format on most pages?BobaFett2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, why is everything written in numbers when it's correct to say "One X or "Two Y" instead of "1 X" "2 Y".BobaFett2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
What kind of card lists and which template?
Where are you seeing Arabic numerals where you think words should be used instead? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:28, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
To the first, Template:Card table set-do we use that? To the second, just about every page with info/tips/archetype stuff.BobaFett2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
It says on the template's page that it's not finished yet. I don't know if that means it's not ready for any kind of use. Dinoguy wrote the template, so he'd be the right guy to ask, but he'll most likely read this conversation and comment anyway.
Card's effects and rulings say things like "1 Monster Card", rather than "one Monster Card", so articles taking about gameplay should probably do the same. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:41, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
Erp, I've been caught!
Right, don't use that template yet. It's already used on waaaay too many pages; I added it to a few for testing and others took it and ran with it, meaning there's probably going to be multiple broken pages when I finally get around to finishing the template up (as it stands, I'll need to do a bot run to update current transclusions in a timely fashion, and I'm seriously considering just letting most of the pages be broken). ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:30, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, okay. Why is it in italics? It reads a bit funnily (if you have sub-par eyesight italics can be especially annoying).BobaFett2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Set names should be in italics per the manual of style; this is in keeping with the general pattern of English typography that longer or larger works tend to be italicized, whereas shorter/smaller subworks are usually quoted.
Keeping in mind that I don't have very bad eyesight (yet; I've known for years that I'm duly scheduled for horrible eyesight), I don't personally buy the argument that italics are more annoying than normal text for those with poor eyesight; at least, this argument has failed to dissuade proper application of italics throughout literature at any point in the past four centuries or so (italics really started being used for emphasis in non-italicized text in the 17th century; prior to that, entire texts would either be typeset normally or in italics[1]). ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:18, June 28, 2011 (UTC)


I think this was a rhetoric question, but no, I'm afraid not. I suppose the closest real world benefit of editing the wiki, was I was able to say I had some knowledge of HTML in an interview, which I think was the difference between getting and not getting the job. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:56, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Spotlight suggestion

Hi, this wiki looks awesome. I just wanted to suggest to request for a spotlight. You can do it here. Only the Admins can do it and the wiki meets all the requirements. Great job love the wiki! --DSM144 (talkcontribs) 12:36, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Yeah, I'm aware of the spotlight requests. The requirements include that the welcome tool be signing as admins and that we have no uncategorised content pages. We don't meet either of those. I've been working on the uncategorised pages lately though. It was over a few thousand a while ago, but still over 800 at the moment. I'll probably take another look at the spotlights if the number gets close to 0. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:08, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
I'd be quite surprised if they didn't let us slide on uncategorized pages (even with 800+ of them), since they're still a very low fraction of our total pages, and we've been improving on that by leaps and bounds over the past several months. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:08, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
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