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:Didn't notice he was still doing that. It won't show up even if he does add it, since its not a function in the manga card template, but no, there's really no reason for it be added. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 20:19, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
:Didn't notice he was still doing that. It won't show up even if he does add it, since its not a function in the manga card template, but no, there's really no reason for it be added. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 20:19, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
Hey, sorry to bother you, but is spamming the chat. Think you can help? [[User:Mr.Prozac|Mr.Prozac]] ([[User talk:Mr.Prozac|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr.Prozac|contribs]]) 23:30, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

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Manga cards

Should I start creating the article for manga cards using this template? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 16:34, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

If you'd like, sure. Deltaneos has gotten through most of the original stuff, I think, and I'm working on GX for now.
As you've seen, we've been doing separate articles for every card that appears in the manga, even when it has the same effect as the real world one. Template:CardTable2 will hopefully be retired eventually (you've seen the SMW issues) and part of doing that is splitting off anime, manga and video game articles.
In cases where a card's effect changes in the manga, we've made two articles - such as Foolish Burial (manga) and Foolish Burial (GX manga). Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:19, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
I see. I'll start using it then to save you guys' time. How about links? Like, in the chapters' articles and in the characters' decklists. Should we also replace everything? For example, "Foolish Burial (manga)|Foolish Burial" instead of just "Foolish Burial"? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:38, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Eventually. I believe the plan is to get all them manga articles done, then do a bot run and/or update them all at once. So I wouldn't bother with the links yet.
If you could start with 5D's, that would be great. When I finish GX, I'll likely move to ZEXAL. Not sure what Delt himself is doing either. And yeah, if you could start new articles for future manga chapters using the template, it would be great. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:42, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
From what I've seen, Delt's going for DM, it seems. And God saves the bot. xD Sure, I'll start with 5D's then, kinda slowly though (and even a bit slower since it'll take me a while to get used to that template xD). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:45, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not sure if he's finished or not. It will take a while to get used to it, yes. Once I got through five or so chapters worth of cards, I had enough of a grasp to go faster. I still randomly forget parameters, though. XD. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:47, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
BTW, last question. When we split articles (like Junk Blader), do we remove the manga lore and manga ppearances from the OCG/TCG article? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:54, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Leave them for now. I'm not actually sure we've decided yet. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:55, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Remember the "last question" thing? I lied. Junk Blader has an English card image as well. How do I add it? en_image doesn't seem to work. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:59, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
If there's an English image, use "image" and put the Japanese image at "image_ja". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:02, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
I mean "ja_image". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:04, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, one more. xD Arms Regeneration has different names in R and 5D's. What to do. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 18:05, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Um. I dunno. I'll add that to my list of issues to ask Delt. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:09, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
I swear, each card I try to convert to manga template gives me a new issue. xD So, Pride of the Warrior has card names in 3 other languages as well, but they don't seem to appear in the manga template. Should I just remove them? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 18:12, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Use {{Unofficial names}} (not {{Unofficial name}}) and add it after {{Manga card}} Example (hit edit) at Turboroid. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:14, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Do you have to ask Delt about cards-with-different-names-in-manga-and-TCG? :p LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 18:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Nah. If there is an English manga name, use it, even if it sucks. So, "Jeweled whatever the hell they used for RDA (manga)". Add "main = Hot Red Dragon Archfiend" to the manga article to make the gallery and other links still work. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:28, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:28, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Yessir. BTW, I'm loving the "viz_lore" thing. I can finally add proper English lores without having to stick to Viz's blatant errors. *hallelujah plays in the background* LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 18:32, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, that's one of my favorite parts, too. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:34, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and try to use put a space between "|" and the parameter name if you remember (think Dino's gonna bot the ones we miss though). Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:36, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Guess you didn't notice, but if there's a real card article, you don't have to add the Japanese name stuff to the manga article unless its different like Heartlandraco or Ultimaya whatever it was. The template pulls it from the main article automatically. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:43, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I see. BTW, adding the "main" template in Quick Spanite (manga) doesn't seem to work for gallery and stuff, it keeps both "main card articles". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 18:53, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Think I got it. It has to be the exact article name or it doesn't work. Also, "romaji_name" and "trans_name", now. I kept getting those wrong at first too. Like I said, it takes some getting used to. I asked nearly all the questions you've asked me to Delt, actually. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 19:01, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I tried "{{Main}}" instead of "|main", that's why it didn't work. xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 19:10, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
If either of you want to upload images of just the card's artwork and add it through | image_ca = , it will be useful for creating lists of the cards. e.g. Maximillion J. Pegasus (manga)#Deck. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:04, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but are lists like that really needed? I think the usual decklist, listing the cards by name, is great already, and it looks more organized. Just a thought though, if we'll keep those lists I'll try to add some artwork pics when I have time. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:28, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I plan to go through my scans and upload artworks...eventually. I do like the new decklist, though. Its neat to be able to see all the artworks there. I wasn't fond of it at first myself, but I think it actually looks more organized this way. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:37, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

So, did you reach any conclusions about what to do with Arms Regeneration, who has different names in R and 5D's? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 19:31, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, another issue. Rose Blizzard and Rose Blizzard (manga) are different cards, but the manga article treats the anime article as the main article. No idea what to do in that case. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 20:21, December 7, 2014 (UTC)
Also, Checkered Flag of Glory. No idea how to add the "non-game card" category, nor the "entry for the D1GP" description. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 20:35, December 7, 2014 (UTC)
No idea on either. Sort of fixed the "Rose Blizzard" thing, but the now the article backlinks to itself. We could move "Rose Blizzard" to "Rose Blizzard (anime)" (and we eventually will when the anime template is complete), that would fix it. Don't know if we want to do that prematurely, though. I'll ask Delt. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:14, December 7, 2014 (UTC)
The correct fix for "Rose Blizzard (manga)" and similar cases is to set main = none; this prevents the "Main: foobar" line from being shown above the card table and ensures the other card information links below the table link to the correct pages.
I don't think it'll be necessary to rename the anime article; it looks like the primary topic here and what people will most likely be looking for when they look for a card named "Rose Blizzard". ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:16, December 8, 2014 (UTC)


About Rose Bell of Revelation. First, the Japanese lore does read only part of the monsters' names, but it isn't worded as if they were archetypes; the card makes it clear you can add either "the gallant angel" (Queen Angel of Roses) or "the demon angel" (Fallen Angel of Roses), either of those monsters, to your hand. Manga is manga, they call cards by nicknames, that doesn't mean it's an archetype. I think the articles Queen Angel and Fallen Angel can be deleted. Second, for Rose Bell's non-Viz lore, should I use the Japanese or English names? (like, "Gallant Angel" or "Queen Angel"?) LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:15, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

Deleted, sorry, forgot to respond after. Uh, for the lore, I'd go with "Queen", since the card has a TCG release. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 19:11, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Manga again

Machina Soldier, Machina Defender and Machina Sniper are called like that in 5D's, but are called "Machine" instead in R. Separate articles or not? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 20:36, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Separate, but not because of the names. IIRC, they were vanillas in R and Effect Monsters in 5D's. I would suggest using the "Machine" names for the R versions and having the 5D's versions with 5D's manga in parenthesis. The actual "Machina X (manga)" pages can be disambiguation, linking to both. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 21:34, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
Actually, they are vanillas in both. In 5D's, their only use was to be discarded to summon Machina Cannon, and there was no lore in the cards. Do I still create separate articles? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 21:42, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
Well, damn. Just do single articles, use "Machina" since its the more recent name. I'll poke Delt about an alt name parameter. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 21:54, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
In that case, should I also make Arms Regeneration keep the 5D's name, and add the R name later when the alt name parameter is ready? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:55, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, that should work. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:57, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
By the way, I created the articles for the Machinas with the R pics because the 5D's pics didn't show the full card, is that ok? Or should I have used the 5D's ones anyway, since they are the latest ones (and have the correct names)? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:18, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
I think what you did is fine. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:22, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
"alt_names" has been added. Also, "ja_alt_names", but I don't know if we'll need to use that. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:40, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, great. About the "ja_alt_names" thing, just form the top of my mind I have two examples already, Queen Angel of Roses and Ultimaya Tzolk'in, so yes, we'll need to use that. xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:41, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

How do you add the "archrelated" thing in the manga template? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:52, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

"related_to_archseries". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:54, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

D Team

How are we gonna handle D Team ZEXAL with the manga template thing, since that manga uses OCG cards instead of manga cards? We won't put them in manga templates, right? There's, for example Call of the Haunted (5D's manga), which was used in the 5D's manga and also in D Team. Should we list the D Team appearance in the manga template too or not? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:02, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

No, don't list D Team appearances in the manga card pages. I'm unsure what the plan is for them. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:28, December 16, 2014 (UTC)


Should we create manga articles for already existing monsters that just make a cameo in the manga, like Alien Overlord and Montage Dragon? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 16:12, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:35, December 17, 2014 (UTC)
They didn't show any lore, effects or anything in the manga though. Should I add the TCG/OCG lore, or just leave the lore blank? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:32, December 19, 2014 (UTC)
Another thing, could you please delete Ultimate God (archetype)? After getting the actual lores of the cards, it's the nickname case, not archetype. :p LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:32, December 19, 2014 (UTC)
I would leave the effects out. I think the stats would be acceptable (or at least that's what I did at Cyber End Dragon (manga)).
Deleted. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 21:49, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Apparently the manga template doesn't allow more than 2 Types, like in Synchro Tuner monsters (check Celestial Double Star Shaman). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 16:37, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

I'll ask Delt. I'm looking at the template and it looks like its coded to allow up to 3, so I'm not sure what's going on. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:48, December 22, 2014 (UTC)


So, in the last ZEXAL chapter, Number 37: Hope Woven Dragon Spider Shark and Shifting Land both have their effects activated, but the card was not shown, it was just verbally explained. Does that count as an appearance? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:41, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

If the effects themselves were visualized, I'd say yes. If it was just an explanation with no accompanying visuals, I'd say no. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:21, December 23, 2014 (UTC)
In Spider Shark's case, he just brought Yuma's and Kaito's monsters back to the field. In Shifting Land's case, it just made E'Rah's LP change. In neither case the card or some form of Solid Vision of said card was shown. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 16:00, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

ZEXAL episode 137

Well, that episode finally aired in English. I had to rework the summary of the original version a bit to make it match up in sequence. Apparently in the dub, Vector's dad still died from his illness, but what do you think really happened to Vector's mom? The part where she got slashed got cut in the dub. ChaosGallade (talkcontribs) 03:46, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

I watched it myself just to see how they handled dub-Vector in general (pretty good except for what we're talking about now). Its really vague. They don't mention his mother after that, she collaspes for no actual reason and then Don Thousand appears. So I would just...say that in the article, I guess, XD. "You are not fit to carry my sword" was a good line and the exile thing ALMOST seemed credible. Then his mother falls over and yells for no reason at all. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:58, December 23, 2014 (UTC)
I'm inclined to believe that the sword-slashing happened off-screen. Either that, or she died or fainted of grief. ChaosGallade (talkcontribs) 04:39, December 23, 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough then. Fainting seems likely enough of an explanation. I'd assume that if she survived, Vector exiled her. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 04:44, December 23, 2014 (UTC)
Still, I think they handled dub Vector pretty well, like how he occasionally shifts to his Ray voice to mock his opponents, but it's not too frequent in the dub. Most of the manic expressions were there, too, but the more gruesome ones were removed, like the part where Vector revealed himself as Ray. But I can't help but wonder why this one was kept. ChaosGallade (talkcontribs) 04:54, December 23, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, they did a good job, overall. He was still very entertaining. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 04:57, December 23, 2014 (UTC)


Could you also please delete the following pages that Manhhungtt3 left behind? -- The Talk Goblin 16:57, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Knew I would miss a few. Done. Thanks. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:59, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Help I'm dying

Seriously. I've just added the JP images for the Anti cards. Viz's swapped the names of ALL FOUR of them in English. You can compare the pictures in the cards' articles. What do we do? Do we keep them with the right names and wrong artworks, or rename everything to make them have the right artwork and wrong name? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:14, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

I would keep the names as-is but remove the English images from each page for now. Pretend that VIZ did not print this chapter at all and organize it based only on the Japanese information. Then we can go back and figure out what to do with the English images. Also, I'll direct Delt here again. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 21:37, December 28, 2014 (UTC)
Done. I've also replced the archetype picture in the archetype page. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:09, December 28, 2014 (UTC)
So, there actually is precedent for this. The same thing was done with "Giant Flea" and "Big Ant". Also see the note at Harpy Lady 2. We can use that for these to explain the error. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:17, December 29, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, that note thing looks awesome. So we add the pictures based on the artworks and explain that the names were swapped with a note like that one? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 18:47, December 29, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, that should work. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:47, December 29, 2014 (UTC)
Done, dunno if you'd like to check them to see if everything's alright. By the way, two cards were also shown with the same artwork (Anti the Ray's), so there is no English image of a card with Anti the Abyss's artwork. Do we leave it without an English image? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:39, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Why not move Qliphort Assembler?

Usually translations between two TCG languages are closer than between a TCG language and an OCG language, making the TCG language more likely. We have a confirmed Japanese name and a confirmed Spanish name, any specific reason why the Japanese name should be preferred until an English name is known (is it just because the Japanese name came first)? I believe all "Qli" monsters have English names closer to their Spanish names than their Japanese names. Blueapple128 (talkcontribs) 01:29, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Because we should be getting the confirmed English name soon enough, so why bother moving it twice if the name is wrong? Why move it now when its not confirmed? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:31, December 30, 2014 (UTC)
Got it; thanks for the explanation. Blueapple128 (talkcontribs) 07:07, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Manga again

How do I add the "antisupport" thing in the manga template? Also, should I keep using the "Unofficial lore" template for cards with unofficial lore? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 19:13, December 31, 2014 (UTC)

"|anti-supports = "
Yes, keep the lore template. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:10, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

'Kay, so I just finished the 5D's manga. Assuming you're doing ZEXAL next, the only remaining manga is R, right? If that's the case, I wouldn't mind doing it next, since Viz invented lores for most cards in R and I'd be able to add proper translations besides the Viz lore. Only, do you know if perhaps there's someone who could add English images? If there isn't, I can do that myself, it's just that doing both works sure takes double the time. Oh, and if you'd like me to review the GX cards for Viz-invented-lores cases, I can do that, it's pretty quick work. I can also upload English images if really needed, but I have only volumes 7, 8 and 9. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 16:28, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Cool. I intended to move on to ZEXAL, but ended up doing this instead (a. My laptop is broken right now, so I've stopped uploading card art since that's where I have all of it stored. Once I get it back, I'll finish the GX card art stuff (and do another run-through searching for more unnamed cards). Was indeed planning on moving onto to the ZEXAL manga now. I believe a few users have started adding the template to some R pages, but I've no idea if its done or how many pages, so if you'd like to that, that would be great.
Yes, please review the GX cards. I added the "viz_lore" thing to stuff I was sure of, but there's a few others (can't remember off the top of my head) that I wasn't sure about.
I actually have Volume 1 of GX in English. I can upload the stuff from there, but I don't have a source for them otherwise (though to be fair I haven't looked much, I can do that...but upload once again have to wait until my laptop is back). Maybe ask Spectertvx? Not sure what he has has, I know he often adds the VIZ lores, but I don't know that he has the GX stuff. Sanokol-KT has some English stuff too, but once again don't know how much. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 20:18, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
If there are people slowly adding R cards to the manga template, guess I'll review the GX cards first, while they add more R cards to the template.
Welp, suming up, we have volumes 1, 7, 8 and 9. Five remaining. xD I'll try asking those two, yep.
Oh, and BTW, I didn't add any artworks for 5D's 'cause I was adding the English images as well, so that'd be too much work. The artworks can be done by anyone, since we have all the pics already, so I guess I should focus first on the English images, which are tougher to obtain. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 21:36, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
That would be fine, and I'm perfectly willing to do the card arts eventually anyway if no one else gets to it.. I really should give the 5D's manga a proper read-through anyway. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 21:37, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
On the note of the GX manga, can you check the English versions of those volumes and find out whether "HERO" or "Hero" was used for the Masked Heroes, Vision Heroes, Escuridao and Shadow Mist? I believe they flip-flopped partway through, so we'd like to know which used HERO and which used Hero. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:37, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
In volume 7, "Hero" was used for all HEROes. In volumes 8 and 9 *pause for a sigh*, they swap between "Hero" and "HERO" in the same duels. I'd say they were trying to start using "HERO" but still let a few "Hero"s out of distraction, since the majority is "HERO". Anyway, I'd suggest you to stick with either "Hero" or "HERO", to keep at least the Wikia consistent. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:14, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
BTW, I'll start reviewing the GX lores, did you keep the "unofficial lore" template in the ones with unofficial lore? Just so that I can identify which ones are Viz lores and which ones are NAC/Wikia lores. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:16, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
Fun, thanks.
Well, I didn't remove any intentionally, but I can't say may not have. In any case, just look for miscapilizited stuff and nonsensical terms to find the viz ones, lol. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:42, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Why are there separate articles for Blackland Fire Dragon, if it's exactly the same in both mangas? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:38, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Its not. The Level is different. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:34, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Hm. For some reason, Shuttleroid (manga)'s lore doesn't mention the 1000 damage. It only reads the self-banishing part. Should we add the 1000 damage part as well and put "Reconstructed lore", or just leave it out? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 16:57, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Leave it out, we can note the inconsistency on the chapter page. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:53, January 4, 2015 (UTC)


I know this have been discussed in the past, but it seems nothing was decided. I really think we should decide for once if we treat "Yokai" as a Type or sub-Type in this Wikia, 'cause it's obviously either of those, and not just a "misc" category. And if I may, I'll already make my opinion clear: I strongly believe they are a manga-only Type not adopted in the OCG/TCG. Since nothing is carved in stone about whether "Yokai" is a Type or sub-Type, we could simply choose which we'll use and then add a note explaining that it isn't completely clear what they are, but we're treating it as (?) for this site. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 19:54, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

So, I made a quick check on the "Yokai" support cards' lores, and I noticed Haunted Shrine, Vindictive Spirits and Mezuki (manga) clearly call Yokai a Type (Yokai-zoku) like Dragon, Spellcaster, etc. You know how manga cards work, they don't always say the whole thing. But calling them "Yokai-Type" once already makes it clearly a Type in my opinion. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 20:03, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
I'm convinced by LegendaryAsariUgetsu's argument. Manga lores are known for not being syntactically correct. It's not uncommon for someone to say something like "Dragon monster", when being brief or careless, while still referring to the Type. Putting quotation marks around something that isn't a card name or archetype name/portion of card name, isn't too unlikely either. However it's very rare to suffix something with "-Type", without actually meaning Type and I'm guessing it's the same for 族 (Zoku).
If it does later turn out the instances where it's called a Type are a mistake or deliberate confusion, I don't think we're doing an injustice by taking it at face value. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:18, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
There's also the events involving "Phantasmagoria" which specifically changed Jesse's monsters from Insects to Yokai. Jesse had to change them back to use his "Rose Papillion". Sanokal K-T (talkcontribs) 22:44, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
Great, so it seems we have concrete enough arguments to consider "Yokai" a Type. While we're at the subject... I'm positive all of Misawa's monsters from VS Manjome on are Yokais, but it seems he was using a different deck in his first duel VS Judai. Fox Fire and Rigorous Reaver are clearly not yokais, and his strategy was completely geared towards Goka, the Pyre of Malice, which we have no idea whether it's a Yokai or what. Should we make separate decklists for him or not? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:14, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
Fine on the classification issue. I don't think its worth listing a separate deck though, even though those monsters indeed were not Yokai. I think we should just assume Goka isn't a Yokai and be done with it. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:25, January 7, 2015 (UTC)
Cool. Then, I revamped the Yokai article considering it a Type, feel free to double check it. I'll also start adding "Yokai" as the monster's Type for the manga cards' articles. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:32, January 7, 2015 (UTC)
Uh, should we not still mention the way the manga card lores were written? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:48, January 7, 2015 (UTC)
Like I said previously, manga always does this. It did it with all archetypes and all Types, not just Yokai. For instance, I've /just/ checked the lore of several Dragon-Type support cards used by Manjome that only say "one Dragon monster" and that sorta stuff. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 18:32, January 7, 2015 (UTC)
"Manga always does this" is exactly my point. Should we not note somewhere on the wiki that manga shorthand is a thing? Maybe just the manga series pages (Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (manga), etc.?) Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:36, January 7, 2015 (UTC)
The thing is, this is not just a Type/archetype thing, manga lores don't follow OCG lore structure at all, and often are even written with non-game terms, as if the game was a kind of RPG (one example I can think of from the top of my mind is Asuka's Spell that says "two pillars of ice appear on the field", not to mention the original DM lores, which you should be aware of what sorta thing they say). If you think we should note this in the manga articles, then we should note that it's the whole thing, not just a case of using shorthands. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 18:44, January 7, 2015 (UTC)
I'm saying a short blurb somewhere in the series articles, that we can link to should someone question the way we're writing manga lores. Certainly doesn't need to be noted on every chapter/character page or anything like that. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:50, January 7, 2015 (UTC)
No objections. I'll let you do that though, 'cause I have no idea what to write (and it'd end up as a pretty clumsy paragraph anyway). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 19:18, January 7, 2015 (UTC)

Separate card anime/manga pages

I've been wondering about this for quite some time, but what's the point of making separate anime/manga pages for the cards? ChaosGallade (talkcontribs) 18:20, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

English Cheesedude
Other card information
External links
is becoming enough of a mess that it needs to be retired. By splitting off the articles, we're using a bunch of smaller, less messy templates that won't cause SMW to crash as often, hopefully. The first step is the anime, manga and video game stuff. Dinoguy or Deltaneos or TTF could go a bit more in-depth about this.
Additionally, we get more use out of anime and manga images this way and once we've linked everything in anime/manga articles to the new pages (which will be done via bot run eventually), we have much more justification for not going into the "NOTE: In the TCG, this card blah blah". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:45, January 8, 2015 (UTC)


Twin Pillars of Ice's lore says "two pillars of ice appear on your field". Should we keep the reconstructed lore or the actual lore? If we keep the actual one, we have to delete Ice Pillar Counter and reword the chapter's duel. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:25, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I meant to ask you about that one actually. Well, if that's what the lore really says, then yeah, we'll delete the page and reword the duel. I'll just do that now. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:10, January 9, 2015 (UTC)


I don't know how to handle this. The lore of Viper's Grudge says "Snake monster", but obviously, many "Snake monsters" don't have "Snake" on its name (including Black Mamba, who was summoned with Viper's Grudge's effect), and they have been shown to be Reptile-Type, so it isn't a Type either. I believe it's another RPG-ish non-game term, like to say "a monster that is a snake, physically". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:30, January 9, 2015 (UTC) Also, Ananta the Snake Dragon (manga)'s lore only says "ATK/DEF become the number of banished 'Snakes' x600", without mentioned that it is Special Summoned by banishing all "Snake" monsters on your field/Graveyard (Kohinata explains this part verbally). :p LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:59, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

I was under the impression that it was using "Snake monster" as a sub-type like "Spirit monster". So that would make their types "Reptile / Snake", I guess. I could be wrong.
Alright, we can remove the summoning bit then. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:42, January 9, 2015 (UTC)
I doubt that. Sub-types always have a specific feature (Geminis have Gemini Summon, Toons have all those direct-attack/toon world effects, Unions can equip and unequip themselves, etc). Plus, like I said, for me it sounds pretty much like a DM RPG-ish lore thing. For instance, I didn't know "forest" was an attribute (the Japanese lore reads "zokusei"). We can't think too hard about old manga lores, we all know the mess it was back then. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:59, January 9, 2015 (UTC)
I revamped the Snake article explaining what we were discussing, but you may wanna double check it, since we know how awkward my texts usually come out. :P LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:48, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
Made two spelling/grammar fixes, looks good otherwise. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:59, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Random thing

So, I was always against creating articles for unnamed cameos like "Shop thief", "obese fangirl", etc, but... Dino I think, insisted that we should keep those. I personally don't care much for them, but just throwing a random idea. Check this out. Looks pretty more organized, and makes it one article instead of dozens of random articles of random characters. Besides, it'd be even easier to find info on a certain unnamed cameo in a list rather than trying to guess how we named their article. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 20:56, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

We've had list articles like that in the past. I can't really speak as to why we unmerged them. I'll direct Dino here. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:29, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
I never had a hand in any character list articles; my involvement with character articles in general has been very light for the most part. Deltaneos is the one who's created or expanded many of the unnamed character articles, unless I'm mistaken (I know for a fact he's more-or-less responsible for most of the articles for characters from the original manga and the first NAS anime series). Personally I wouldn't mind having character lists, though it would be my opinion that they generally should augment character articles rather than replacing them. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:32, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

New template

What do you think of the new template User:RedDrgn created for ARC-V 39? I'm way too used to the old format. ChaosGallade (talkcontribs) 21:45, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

If you don't mind me chiming in, I think it is an excellent addition. DreadKaiser (talkcontribs) 22:15, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
Believe it or not, there is already a system in place that displays all that info (and more) easily. We just haven't implemented it yet (and it doesn't yet work with the new anime and manga subpages that we're still working on, but that can be fixed). {{Tooltip}} displays a condensed version of the card page. Hover over this: Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon
Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon
Card CategoryCard Type
If this card battles an opponent's monster, any battle damage this card inflicts to your opponent is doubled.
That being said, that was good work on the template and I don't want to discourage him from continuing to try to improve. In this case...well, his work was superseded by something else that no one knew about. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:29, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, my apologies; the new templates seem useful. ChaosGallade (talkcontribs) 02:22, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
Not sure what you're apologizing for, but okay. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 05:19, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
Manga cards should probably use {{Manga card list}} instead (at least for decklists), as seen on Ishizu Ishtar (manga)#Deck. I imagine we'll have a similar template for anime cards at some point, too, though I don't know for sure what Delt's plans there might be, if anything.
I also don't know what the future of {{Tooltip}} is in regards to anime/manga cards; my immediate reaction is that they should have their own ((Anime tooltip)) and ((Manga tooltip)) variants, but those feelings could change at some point (especially once we finally replace {{CardTable2}} completely with the new card table system). ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:38, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the manga decklists should use {{Manga card list}}. I'm assuming Delt is making a similiar anime one eventually, but I can't speak for him either.
TTF mentioned he was going to add the functionality, but whether that meant seperate templates or not I also don't know. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:21, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Reusing Template:Anime card

So I don't join everyday in this wiki, since I run a wiki on my own.
I want to do me a favor, or, basically, to instruct me. Generally, to help me.
In my wiki, I make fan-made cards and, some of them, are used in several Duel Logs, which have the structure of an anime. I am amazed of the new anime template we use here for the anime-only cards and the anime versions of the cards. So, the question is: What templates are needed to copy-paste, in order to have the anime card template? Basically, if possible, how can I adjust the template (if you give the codes and the links to the templates needed for the template and I copy-paste to my wiki) in order not to have the Japanese part, as well as the Appearances line, the Links line, the place where it says Gallery Appearances Trivia Lores Artworks Names, as well as the rest below (Decks, Other Images, and the Search Categories). Just the card name, the kanji stuff, the stats, the effect and the effect types.
I tried so much trying to do this alone, but one problem solved, but 2 others emerge.
Thanks for reading this, and sorry for my "poor" English, I am Greek.
LionHeartKIng (talkcontribs) 07:04, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

The biggest thing is that you'll need to get Extension:Variables and Extension:Arrays enabled, since the new card templates make extensive use of them, to the point that it would not be worth the effort to port a version that does not need them; you can send a request via Special:Contact. Even after that, though, yes, you'll need to copy a number of helper templates and metatemplates that the card templates rely on; there's no way around this except, again, for a port to be written that does not need them, and again, it's just not worth the effort.
There may be bits that rely on Semantic MediaWiki (SMW) as well (anything that uses a #ask: or #show:); the card search categories are one of these. Staff no longer grants requests for SMW to be enabled because it's very resource-intensive, so anything that relies on it will have to be rewritten or removed. Once you've gotten through that, if you still need help making further adjustments, feel free to ask again. =) ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:28, January 19, 2015 (UTC)


Zeriel was shown with a lore on its first appearance, and without a lore on its second appearance. It's worth noting that reading back the duel of his first appearance, Zeriel didn't boost any ATKs by 500 as its lore reads. I can only imagine Zeriel is supposed to be a vanilla and the lore was an error. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 19:53, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I noticed that on my last read, but never went back to check if the ATK boosts were present. Interesting. Yeah, I suppose it was intended as a vanilla, then. Um, not really sure what to do, actually. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 21:13, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
Me neither, lol. Since it didn't boost ATKs in the duel, I think we should remove the "whose effect increases the ATK of all Fairy-Type monsters she controls by 500 points" part of the duel summary, and add a note on the card's article explaining the situation. Gonna be kind of a long note, though. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:15, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

no source

Yuya Yuri Yugo And Yuto Duels No Source Just Added Since its Called Battle Royal Begins (Lionel-Sama 07:44, January 22, 2015 (UTC))

A Battle Royal could involve any number of people. All of those you listed. Or some. Or none. It could even end up like a crazy free-for-all ala the duel spirit world in GX or the Diablo invasion in 5D's. There is no evidence it will be the four Yus. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 20:22, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Forbidden Beasts

Just to make sure. I've gotten to volume 7 of GX and am scanning the cards in English. You know Amon's cards have been called "Sealed" and "Forbidden" Beasts. I should scan them as "Forbidden" Beasts if possible, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:17, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

The English manga called them both?
If so....well we'd want both images actually. *ducks*. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:20, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
Oh. Right. Hurr. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:30, January 22, 2015 (UTC)


With the creation of separate anime articles for cards, are we going to remove the anime archetype navboxes from the OCG/TCG cards (such as the many names used for Utopia?) TheScarecrow14 (talkcontribs) 12:56, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a work in progress. I actually removed them from Utopia and the related stuff the other day. I'd prefer to wait until all relevant anime card articles for an archetype are created before removing them from the TCG articles though. It should also work the other way around though. No TCG/OCG only archetypes in anime card pages (except for cases where it can be argued that its still a series in the anime). Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 12:59, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Anime names should still be spelled "CXyz" and "Number C"

I posted about this on IgorThunderMaster's talk page as well. Basically, there's plenty of evidence that if we could theoretically see the card lores in the dub, then they would still be printed as "CXyz" and "Number C", rather than "Chaos Xyz" and "Chaos Number", even if they're actually spoken out loud as the latter. Their Japanese names are confirmed identical; why not the English names also? See the links to the official site on the linked talk page above. Blueapple128 (talkcontribs) 21:51, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's probably fair. Thinking about it, the same can be said for "VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon". We don't say that the anime name is "VtoZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon" even though that's what both versions called it. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 21:54, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Emergency Repairs

I confirmed it with Spectertvx that this card was called "Emergency Repairs" in chapter 25 and "Mechanic's Soul" in 49. Which name should we use? I only have scans of it called by the latter name, BTW. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 21:18, January 26, 2015 (UTC) While I'm at it, do we also want scans for the cards being called both "HERO" and "Hero"? Or one scan is enough? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:01, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

I suppose Mechanic's Soul, since its the most recent one. As far as the Hero thing goes, scans of both would be very much appreciated. No rush or anything, though. I'd imagine its a pain in the ass. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:26, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
Kinda, haha. In case a same card was called both, which pic should I use in the main card article, the "HERO" one or the "Hero" one? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 20:07, January 27, 2015 (UTC)
Whichever one matches the manga article names. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 20:44, January 27, 2015 (UTC)


Shouldn't we choose either "Hero" or "HERO" and name all manga articles with the chosen pattern? Like was done with the Forbidden Beasts (some were called only "Sealed Beasts", but all were renamed to "Forbidden"). It looks really messy having a few named "Hero" and a few named "HERO". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 20:12, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

I honestly thought I fixed that, lol. In this case, yeah, we should probably rename all the "HERO" ones to "Hero". I can do that tomorrow, then. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:59, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't we do the opposite? Besides matching the TCG names, "HERO" also seems to be Viz's most recent choice, considering they started using it on the latest volumes. I'll ask if someone can tell me how they were called in the one shot to make sure, since it was the last chapter to be released. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 14:58, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
I see it as "Hero" being used far more often, plus it matches the anime. I dunno, though. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:47, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
The anime? How come? I thought there was no text in dub cards. Regarding your other point, yeah, I guess "Hero" was used more, but the fact that they started using "HERO" at a certain point makes me think they wanted to stick with "HERO" from that point on. I'm not sure when the change from "Hero" to "HERO" happened in the TCG, but isn't there a chance that change was done while GX was being published? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 19:00, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
I mean in terms of "the anime predates the change, so the anime articles should not be using "HERO" anymore than they should be using "banish". The change did indeed happen when the manga wasn't done in English. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 19:03, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Then, if the change happened while the manga was being published, shouldn't we deduce that at first they used "Hero", and once the change happened in the TCG, they started using "HERO" to match the change? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 19:25, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
unsnaggedtea76 in NAC confirmed that they used "HERO" in the one shot published last month. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 16:54, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

Talk Page Policy.

Hey Cheesey, whats the policy with, more or less, inactive talk pages. This one was just randomly blanked earlier today with no explanation other than its either not on topic or not relevant anymore. I don't understand why the user who did it thinks that just because its not used anymore that its just worth removing all the content from it, and I 'd rather avoid an argument with him as he can be quite confrontational rather quickly, something I'd rather avoid. Thanks in advance. PhotonLegion95 (talkcontribs) 23:11, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

Funny, I didn't realize the policy on reverting was "If PhotonLegacy95 can't be bothered to take the time to understand why something was edited, he can revert without explanation." Nor did I realize that "not on topic" and "not relevant" are synonymous with "not used anymore," hrm. Blanking misused talk pages is something that admins and users have done for a long time on this Wiki. Almost every single point on the talk page in question, if not all of them, falls into the category of "misuse" or "no longer relevant" (as in the content in dispute was resolved by manga progression, i.e. literally ALL of the Pluto talk). Also, the talk header is there for a reason, I don't understand why you think literally repeating what the talk header says is necessary when it's right there at the top of the page.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 23:19, February 1, 2015 (UTC)
Apparently, he considers discussing his own complaint as "spamming," which he doesn't want to do on your talk page, but is happy to do on mine. This may or may not be relevant, as the issue is pretty clear, but I honestly find it disappointing that he wouldn't initially ask me for an explanation before reverting and then contacting an admin. He calls me confrontational, but his are passive-aggressive actions, and it didn't have to come to this.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 00:00, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
To my knowledge....we don't actually have a policy as far as talk page removals. In general, I'd prefer archiving to removal, though. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 06:00, February 3, 2015 (UTC)
I've seen admins blank misused pages before, though. There also wouldn't be much point in archiving misuse, IMO. Also, out of curiosity, what exactly do you mean by 'archiving' in this case?--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 12:59, February 3, 2015 (UTC)
I think what qualifies as "misuse" is ambiguous. Straight-up spam? Yeah, delete it. Someone using a talk page to ask a question about the article and the response being "use the forum". That I'd want to keep. The more places "use the forum" appear on the wiki, the better, lol.
We don't use the archive function for talk pages too much because we tend not to get that many topics. I know there are few pages that use it though...which I cannot recall off the top of my head. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:25, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Can I ask a question? Why can't "Cat Shark" be a member of the Cat archetype? (WaterRuler (talkcontribs) 20:00, February 4, 2015 (UTC))


The Eye of Truth (manga) has the same effect in DM and GX, but different lores; the DM lore is just like listed in the article, while the GX lore just says "Your opponent shows his hand". Should we create separate articles or not? If not, should we list both lores in the article? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 21:20, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

I think there's an altlore parameter. If not, I'll ask Delt to put one in. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:07, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
I think there isn't, or it doesn't seem to work. Anyway, I've just noticed it is a Continuous Card in DM, while it's Normal in GX. Guess that requires separate articles in the end. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 11:37, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
Another thing: Dynamite Dragon was called "Dynamite Dragon" in chapters 30, 32, 33 and 34, and called "Bomb Dragon" in 59. Should we stick to "Dynamite"? I only have scans of it being called "Bomb", so if we stick to "Dynamite", I should probably add a note explaining it, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 11:38, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
I would stick to Dynamite and add the note, yes. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:25, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Another question

Why isn't "Metaphys Horus" allowed to be related to the "LV" archetype? I think it should, since it is a re-do of "Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV6", and all of the "Horus the Black Flame Dragon" monsters are related to the LV archetype as well.(WaterRuler (talkcontribs) 09:53, February 5, 2015 (UTC))

Dragon's Evil Eye

That card is a Spell in one chapter and a Trap in the other one. Not sure about what to do. For now, I added a note, but it seems to be messing with the links... LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:14, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

I would keep it as a Spell. I'll check the note now. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:01, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
The notes actually use a separate parameter. In this case, "card_type_note". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:04, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

IgorThunderMaster has been adding "/ Effect" to manga monsters, like this. We shouldn't do that, right? Should we let him know that we don't do that on manga cards? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 20:16, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Didn't notice he was still doing that. It won't show up even if he does add it, since its not a function in the manga card template, but no, there's really no reason for it be added. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 20:19, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, sorry to bother you, but is spamming the chat. Think you can help? Mr.Prozac (talkcontribs) 23:30, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

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