RE: III and V

My edit summary was "Same as Quatro", which was moved because... well a reason wasn't really given.
I don't think so, I just moved them since it would take a long time to bot change "V" since lots of words have a capital V (like TV, Veil, etc) so I need to check each page. If the page is moved again, I don't need to check each page now. I had lots of time on that day, not so much after that. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:45, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Episode 69

Did the Number 53 leave the field in the end of the episode? An anon put that info (though it was written more in a way of speculation). Can you confirm that info? Energy X 12:40, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

We can't be sure. They were focused on Number 91 at the end. 53 didn't look it was still there, but he could have easily been behind 91. I assumed that 53 was used an Overlay Unit for 91, since 91 appeared to have one Overlay Unit, but that's speculation too, which I why I left it ambiguous when I wrote the section. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 14:59, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


What is the standard episode duel layout? Is it like this:

Player 1
  • Action 1
  • Action 2
Player 2
  • Action 1
  • Action 2

Or is it like this:

Player 1

Action 1, Action 2

Player 2

Action 1, Action 2

If you have questions, please ask them. Energy X 22:17, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

The bulleted style is outdated. We've started writing it in prose. See pretty much any ZEXAL article. That's how it should be written. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:08, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Don't you think...

you're being a bit too easy on User:Rocket.knight.777? His stance is essentially "Hi, I'm new, I don't like the currently-working system that you've been using for archetypes, I don't have a better way to organize it, but I'm going to cause a fuss anyway." I understand that you're a mod and you're trying to be a diplomat, but he's essentially just trying to cause trouble. Isn't there a point where you say "I'm a mod, this is the way we do things. If you don't like that, feel free to leave." Not trying to tell you how to be a mod, but I just have a few things that I'm holding back to respect how adamant you are to reason with him.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 19:33, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

A) I'm not new. I've been coming to this sight for a few years now, and only had to sign up when the admins made some sections of the site (i.e. lists of member to a certain Type and/or Level) members only. It is in maturity and growth from coming here for so long and viewing and playing the game that I'm just trying to express and hopefully help perfect the slight flaw in the system through critical thinking. B) This is a community site to have the mod and admin go Hitler and say "my site my rules" will turn people away. Before you make accusations Yamiwheeler, I suggest you get the facts.--Rocket.knight.777 (talkcontribs) 19:49, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
Instantly to the Hitler example. Yes, because Hitler really gave the choice of "If you don't like it, feel free to leave." Silly people. Anyway, I don't believe I was talking to you. You still failed to address my point, either way, in which you're coming in here, whining about the system, but don't have a better alternative. As an anon, you are not part of the community, so you are new to it, and this is the way we do things. We've had many a discussion about it and the majority obviously feels that the current way is the best way, so it's perfectly acceptable when someone like you comes along and demands a change from what is tried-and-tested, to tell you that sorry - If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Regardless, this is a conversation between me and Cheesedude.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 20:32, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
If you are going to insult me I have a right to defend me honor. If you want a more private conversation with him, I suggest finding another means of contacting him than something where any update is logged. Whatever "power" you think you have must be giving you a swelled head, because you obviously are not listening to what I'm saying. I've suggest you focus the archetype on Name, Support and theme because it seems the most logical regardless of whatever names the cards have. What might be a good idea to the majority of the "heads" does not mean it's good for the majority of the "masses". Either way, it seemed no one is going to budge on this, so I repeat what I had also suggested, Why doesn't somebody write Konami and ask them what makes an archetype an archetype. If you suggest I should do it, I say "If you won't listen to a simple suggestion from a peon like me, what makes you think you'd listen to me if I got an answer from them?"--Rocket.knight.777 (talkcontribs) 20:53, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
Hey, Knight 777, please cut it out - Yami's message is meaning for Cheesy here, not for you, hence the reason why he's respond to Cheesy's Talk Page. They would have to using Email but they're too lazy to open the mailbox right now. Alright? --iFredCat 20:56, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, who's insulting who? I've been quite civil so far, but so far, you've accused people of behaving like Hitler and said they've got swelled heads. You seem to take your "rights" on the internet far too seriously. And once again, you prove your unfamiliarity with the Wiki, because on this Wiki, we go by what the majority wants with almost every matter like this. Once again, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. No one will be changing the sole foundation of the Wiki just for you. We aren't listening to you because you aren't making a realistic argument. How exactly would you organize it by name, support and theme on this Wiki? How would you factor in cards that aren't part of an archetype by your definition, but still receive support from that archetype's support cards, like "roid" monsters that are not "Vehicroids"? Please feel free to draw up a template on how we can organize the cards like this and then perhaps people will take you seriously. As for e-mailing Konami, it's your suggestion, why don't you take responsibility for it? If Konami themselves e-mail you back with a strict definition of an archetype, then obviously we'll take it into consideration.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 21:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
The only reason I jusped in is because I feel he insulted me. I'll back out. But if I feel I have been insulted, I have a right to jump in and defend my honor.--Rocket.knight.777 (talkcontribs) 21:00, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
We knew, and that's why Yami want to know Cheesy's opinion on you. And this site is belong to nothing but TwoTailedFox (Founder), and he don't control the site like it's his kingdom - he only created it for Yu-Gi-Oh! stuffs to keep updating and stuffs - nothing more. --iFredCat 21:12, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
For the record, restricting the queries, such as lists of monsters by Type, was not something done by the administrators. The archetype definition is not an admin "my site, my rules" thing. Too many users had different opinions of what counted as an archetype/series etc. After many long discussions involving users of any status, the last of which Cheesedude linked you to; Forum:Archetype definition (again), something was finally decided on. A lot went into those discussions, it's not something likely to be overwritten because one user disagrees with it. I don't think everyone was happy with every aspect of the final result, but it was the best general agreement. There are some parts I don't quite agree with, but am happy to follow, because it was a communal agreement. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:48, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

To answer the original question posed, no, I don't think I was going too easy on him. It wasn't as if he continued to revert to his style after that conversation started. I don't think his intent was to cause trouble at all. He legitimately thinks the current system is BS (which is fine, and to an extent even I agree its BS. As Delt said, no one is happy with all of it). For the record, I don't mind other people jumping in on my talk page. Prior to those reverts, Rocket Knight had constructive edits and I do not want to discourage him from continuing to edit this wiki. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. To me, it came across as trying to start trouble when he refused to acknowledge the majority verdict and the amount of discussion that went into the decision to have the system this way, but whatever, it's over now.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 23:37, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


So, you know about the "new ZEXAL" which is starting on October, right (ZEXAL second)? So, what are we gonna do? A new article, or a section about it in the main "ZEXAL" anime article? Remember not only the name, but the airing time will change as well, from Monday 19:30 to Sunday 17:30. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:10, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I heard about it. I'd like to see the logo before we make any decisions. It may be best to wait until a few episodes have aired. It may just be a continuation with a subtitle (if there's a timeskip or something that really makes it different I could see making new articles). Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
There you go. For now, we have a brief summary, the logo, and the airing date. Not really sure, as I'm not exactly apart of all news regarding this second season, but it seems the story is gonna take place right after Faker's defeat, when the Awesomeness Trio saved the world and everything's at peace (just like 5D's, from season 2 to 3). Just to let'ya know.
By the way, shouldn't we make articles for this special episode and for that garbage eliminating room inside the Heartland Tower? It clearly has something with the plot, as it seems it contains a portal which leads to the Astral World, and some important events happen there, like Awesomeness Trio vs. Faker. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 21:36, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
I see. It does sound like its a continuation. What I'd like to see is if the first episode of the series backtracks to 1 or continues where the previous one left off. That's what will ultimately determine if we make a new article or not, I think.
Yeah, those could use articles. The episode article should be created with the actual name of the episode as the article name, since there's no numerical episode number for it. As for the room, I'm not sure what we'd call it. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:44, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
I may be wrong, but I think there's an actual name for the room. It was mentioned in the manga either when Haruto created a fireball there or when Cologne's past was revealed. Was it... Heartland's disposal plant? Something like that. I probably wrote in the summary of some chapter. But whatever, don't think that room has an "official name", to tell the truth. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:54, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

The Winged Dragon of Ra (original)

The anime lore states the fourth, fifth, and sixth effects that activate when this card is Special Summoned in the Graveyard activate only when it is revived from the Graveyard. This is contradicted in Episode 85 of GX as Franz was able to use those effects without Special Summoning itself from the Graveyard. The only way Franz could activate those effects was if some kind of effect allowed him to do so(possible "Mound of the Bound Creator").Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 02:22, August 30, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

Honestly, we will never get consistent effects for the god cards. They do whatever they need to do to suit the situation. There's nothing written on "Mound of Bound Creator" that says that and I don't believe there was dialogue to indicate that it had that effect either. The effect is simply inconsistent. It's not necessarily an error either, just an inconsistency. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:43, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
The effects that activate when this card is Special Summoned from the Graveyard is probably not necessarily I think. The people who usually use this card is Yami Marik and Franz. They seem to usually use the effects for their own somewhat self pleasure. The condition was probably just added due to how it was shown. Those effects can probably be activated at any time if their own conditions are met, but the player who uses them chooses which one to use and they usually use it to either wipe their opponents out or just get rid of their monsters. This is just my guess for the moment.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 04:38, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

"Overdoom Line"

The animelore says all monsters summoned from the Graveyard, but that would mean both players' monsters would get the boost, however the episode seems to explicitly say that only all of Akiza's monsters would get the boost. Reply when you can.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 00:54, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

Ok, then change it. You don't have to run everything you do by me, you know. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:41, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
I agreed with Cheesy, he's not that brilliant with the stuffs, but hey, he's not the boss of anything - if you're "stuck", then here he can help you out. And if you think you're not sure, just collect all the data and throw at him at once - I felt sorry for ATEM when I ran everything at him with the rulings... --iFredCat 01:43, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
I am sorry if I sometimes act like I need permission for things as well as making it look like Cheesedude is the boss of "anything", but sometimes I can't figure things out completely and I usually don't want to insert or change animelores if I am not completely positive that is what it should be. I only come here if I think I can't find any other solution to certain discrepancies I find. Sorry if I acted like I was bothering anyone.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 04:34, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
It's ok. It's just that in many cases, I don't have much to add to the explanation myself. There has been several topics where you've given me a guess that I agreed with. Even if you're not 100% sure, it's ok to change something. I have most anime cards on my watchlist, so on the off-chance I do have something to add, I'll likely see you make the change and can contact you about it if I need to. All I'm saying is you can be a bit bolder if you like. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 12:13, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
No worry, like Cheesy said, just go do your job, only without bugging him, and let's see if you can get them all right. Like I did with Appearance articles recently and I just noticed Delta Neos who went and fixed one of Card Appearance straight, ever without have me asking him. --iFredCat 12:16, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
Okay I'll try to use the talk pages of the card pages themselves if I find any discrepancies I can't solve by myself. Any of you guys are free to come to the talk page and discuss with those topics. If I find any I will post those there.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 22:18, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
Good, now less pain on Cheesy's shoulder. So have fun dump your insanity stuffs there. --iFredCat 22:39, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Number 39's Logical

Now I understand why TCG name was "Utopia" instead of "Hope" - the latter word is most often using for female than using for male. At least he managed to explain the reason why that name was selected. Thank you for show the link, my friend. --iFredCat 02:00, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


Just regarding this edit, I thought I'd mention that the name "Kaiō" in this situation may not use the same kanji as Atlanteans do, and it could also be written in katakana (avoiding kanji altogether). Unless there's a place where the name is listed in kanji, it's unofficial. You might want to consider just leaving it as "かいおう", or "かいお" since the original page didn't list an "う" at the end.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 23:12, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Considering Rikuo's Japanese name, that sounds about right. Thanks. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:22, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
Welcome.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 23:27, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Ou vs. Ō in names

So, y'know 'bout "ou" which becomes "ō" in Japanese, right. When this happens in a character's name, what exactly should one do? For Kyouji Yagumo, I put "Kyōji" in the rōmaji name, and in English (article's name, thus all the rest as well) I put "Kyouji". So, is this all right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:15, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

Based on Koji Nagumo (who has to assume Yagumo is a reference too for whatever reason),it would be "Kōji" for the romaji and just "Koji" for the English name (which I also assume was spelled that way in the English manga). It's very likely the English ZEXAL manga will spell it the same way. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:24, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
So, "Kyoji" would be better? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:53, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, wait, I just remembered Rank 21 is coming in English about next week, so we'll be able to check this out. Then, we use the standard Viz will use for all other characters as well, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:56, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
Right. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:10, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

GX manga Summons: The Revenge

So, as the original message is in the archives...

As you can suppose, "Winged Kuriboh LV9" is "Evolution Summoned". By the way, Kohinata's "Evil Dragon Ananta" is just "Special Summoned", not "Union Summoned", stepping over my theory of "Union Summon monsters = monster with special summoning conditions". *sigh* LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:37, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
Interesting. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:10, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
Sho's "Solidroid α" is "Union Summoned", but in a still different way. He's summoned by sending 3 "roids" from the hand to the grave - when that happens, Sho declares "チェンジ ソリッドα" (Chenji Soriddo Arufa, "Change Solid Alpha"). Then, when "Solidroid α" is Summoned, he declares "変形合体" (Henkei Gattai, "Modification/Transformation Union"). Although I don't think the "変形" part is relevant. Well, it's just one more stupid random "Union Summon". Seriously, this one also fits my theory, just "Evil Dragon Ananta" doesn't. This is so confusing. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:39, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
By the way, same goes for "Solidroid β" and "Solidroid γ". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 18:56, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

NC Images

How come some have been removed? I had some spare time so started uploading again and some pages such as the Advanced Crystal Beasts had their NC images removed. TheScarecrow14 (talkcontribs) 20:04, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

No idea, Scarecrow. Take a look and see if it was the same person that removed all of them and contact them. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:10, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
I did do, but there's no edit summary of them being put in or being taken out. It's weird because I remember uploading the Advanced Crystal Beasts and their gem images, but none of them are in the galleries. Also I have another question, why is Yubel's Sacred Beast deck seperate from her plant deck when they not only have several of the same cards, but there's also no proof of her changing decks. Also when she stopped possessing Jesse, she would have only been left with the Sacred Beast deck (as he took the Crystal Beasts back from her). TheScarecrow14 (talkcontribs) 16:54, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
I recall seeing those images. I can't be sure what happened either though. Try Dinoguy, I suppose. As far as Yubel goes, I would argue that there's no also proof that she didn't change Decks. She used cards from both of her Sacred Beasts Decks (which despite having the same goal had very different ways of bringing them out). It could very easily be the same Deck or a different Deck. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:28, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

One quick note

I made a question in the talk page of "Crimson Fire", but nobody has answered to it yet. I was wondering if you could join in on this because there is only one discrepancy relating to "Crimson Fire" that I have not yet solved.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 00:04, September 4, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

D or Dueling?

In D Team ZEXAL, there's the "Dネットワーク", which is the "Dueling Network", used by the Dueling Teams. But, as "D-Pad" is written with the "D-" instead of "Dueling", but "Duel Gazer" doesn't, I wonder how should I write the Network. "D-Network" or "Dueling Network"? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:50, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Probably "D-Network". As you said, D-Pad is like that and in Japan they just called Duel Gazers "D-Gazers". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:55, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
I see. Thinking now, this may also avoid confusion with the online game "Dueling Network". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 01:05, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Images

No problem. Didnt expect a thank you lol ----SharkTenjo 09:33, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Cool. Glad to help ----SharkTenjo 09:58, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

move request

Structure Deck 20: Lost Sanctuary to Structure Deck: Lost Sanctuary. Thanks. -Lpoi (talkcontribs) 09:17, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Number 92 banishing effect

This was because Number 92 was not yet on the field when Kaito Summoned Galaxy-Eyes and Set his card. The banishing effect only activates during the Standby Phase if a card was played on the field the previous turn WHILE Number 92 was on the field. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 15:37, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was trying to illustrate by adding that text. If the existing text makes it clear enough, fine. You're infinitely better at wording card lores than I am, so carry on. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 15:53, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

I see your point, but...=

... this is a public article. The editing and formatting reflects on the Wikia itself, and based on observations of both of them, they seem well-versed enough in English that it seemed like a valid point. As for the Ban threat, there's more to this than the last few days with their baiting of each other. The ban is consistent with behaviour from previous altercations.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:29, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

The issue has already been fixed.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:36, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

DN + Wikia

Howdy. I posted up the list of cards with different names between our respective sites, along with the text you can just straight-import to autocreate the Redirect pages (tested on a seperate Wiki and it worked perfectly). AEtherchild (Talk|Contribs) 04:03, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thank you. Though you could have uploaded them yourself, now that I think of it. It was really you that did the work. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 04:15, September 9, 2012 (UTC)
The Export function's public, but Import's limited to Admins. I did check ^_^ AEtherchild (Talk|Contribs) 04:17, September 9, 2012 (UTC)
Ah, that's right. One question: One of the imported pages was "Backlash", which is a manga only card. Is there an OCG card with a similiar name that caused a screw-up? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 04:19, September 9, 2012 (UTC)
Hm. Total coincidence actually. Due to the fact DN has no Anime or Manga cards, we tend not to check whether an English card name we use already exists in one of those mediums. I'll mention it to Atem though, the Wikia redirects are very useful to our playerbase so we do indeed want to make it work right for them :) AEtherchild (Talk|Contribs) 04:23, September 9, 2012 (UTC)


Unfortunately, Kyoji's single appearance in the chapter was that, which I took the image and put in the article. However, when he appears again, do you think it'd be better to replace the file with one showing only his face?

By the way, what do you think about the file on the chapter's article? Do you think another one is more appropriated? I though in adding this one, as the chapter focuses on Shark's and Kyoji's past, but the iamge is very small... any thoughts? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:41, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that would be good.
Uh, consensus is that infobox images for chapter articles should be the title page of each chapter. I honestly hadn't noticed that that's not what you'd been using. Other images can be used elsewhere in the articles. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:54, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, I know. I stopped using them when our dear Mako stopped buying the V Jump, as he lost access to it. So I had to add any LQ scan we found, as that was the only thing we had. Although starting from Rank 19, we are getting them in English, so I can add the English tittle pages from that Rank on. We'll just have to wait to obtain official tittle pages for Ranks 15~18 (either until someone buys the Japanese volume 3 and scans it, or waiting untiiiiil volume 3 is release in English. ......aaaaaand someone scans it). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:59, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, ok. Well, in that case, I like the image with Shark and Kyoji better. I don't think the size matters that much. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:01, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Manga only support

Y'know when a card has an effect in the manga, and when its released in the OCG/TCG, the effect is changed? So, in the case of "Cyber Eltanin", for example. The archetype "Cyber" is an archetype just 'cause it has support in the manga. "Cyber Eltanin" is support for the archetype in the manga, but not in the OCG/TCG. So, we don't add "|support = Cyber" on the article, or do we? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:36, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

No, we don't, unless its the only support card for that archetype, like "Number C32: Shark Drake Vice" for "Shark" or "Spawn Alligator" for "Alligator". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:38, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
And then we hold out for the card page redesign, after which each medium will finally have its own card category parameters, and we can finally start marking cards as archetype support for only the anime/manga version. =D ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:30, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, that looks awesome! Looking forward to it. ^^ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 21:45, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Bottomless Trap Hole

Yes, that was already resolved. I guess they didn't edit it back. MadRest 00:52, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Actually no, I meant the opposite. Naraku was decided to be named Hell. See it on Deltaneos's talk page somewhere. :
It's just a synonym for jigoku, I guess. MadRest 01:04, September 15, 2012 (UTC)


The generator unit is support i agree but for Cyber decks not for photons it seems to like a logic flaw. Are you saying that the card as long as it support something is treated aspart of the archetype even if the name is the only thing/link in common with the archetype while having other relation with archetype.--Veriteo (talkcontribs) 19:48, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Zexal Portal

Yo. Do you know how to remove Bronk Stone from the Zexal Portal on the main page? --Firered16 SA (talkcontribs) 19:24, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but the box needs to have six characters to line up with everything else. Who should we replace him with? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:40, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

How about Hart? --Firered16 SA (talkcontribs) 17:43, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

I guess he has much more participation than Tetsuo (Bronk). I agree on removing him, he doesn't do a single relevant thing since... Actually, he only did something relevant on episodes 20 and 33. :/ So, I think Haruto (Hart) would be a better option, as he appears a lot, and has a big role on the plot.
By the way, do you know if we'll make a new Portal for the ZEXAL II characters or keep one Portal for everything that is called "ZEXAL"?
Excuse me for intruding by the way. :P LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:17, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

No worries. Then if we're all in agreement, then Hart will replace Bronk.

I'm not sure about it. It's technically the same series, so is it really needed for another portal? But if we do then along with Yuma, Astral, Tori, Shark, and Kite, maybe we should also include Rio and Rei in as well. --Firered16 SA (talkcontribs) 01:12, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

We need to wait and see the first episode of ZEXAL II. If it resets its episode numbers to 1, we should consider it a separate series and make a new portal and new everything for it. If it keeps going to 73, we should probably keep it integrated. I'll move Haruto into the portal now. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 04:10, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Okay then. --Firered16 SA (talkcontribs) 04:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

I haven't switched Bronk to Hart, because I cannot remember where the page is that controls what is shown there (I know I've edited it before, but I can't find it on my watchlist). I've asked someone that will know. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 04:36, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Card X Spirit

If a monster appears just as a spirit in a certain chapter/episode, should it be added in that chapter/episode's "Featured Cards"? "Kuribon" is always with Ruca in the manga as a spirit, though she never showed to have its card. If it counts as the appearance of the card, then "Kuribon" should be added in every chapter Ruca appears. By the way, "Tragoedia" also appears a lot in the GX manga, but y'know, there, it isn't a card, it is just a "Ka"/spirit. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 21:34, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

It can be noted in the featured cards section, yes, with a clear explanation that it's not a card appearance. I believe its listed that way in some of the later 5D's episode articles.
As for whether it counts, there is no real consensus. I've asked before, and no one really responded. I got a "maybe" from Deltaneos, a "no" from Aged Goblin and a "maybe" from myself. I later decided they did count, but never implemented any of it myself, nor did anyone else. So um, maybe? Yay, indecisiveness! For what it's worth, "Maiden of the Aqua" never appeared in the anime as a card, but was the featured card for an episode the spirit appeared in. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:40, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Then, what about something like adding the card with a "(as a spirit)" or just "(spirit)"? I guess I did that in a few chapters of GX, like "Winged Kuriboh (as a spirit)". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:13, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
In a few 5D's articles, its listed like this. I think that works, and its good to not have it in a Decklist, I think. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:18, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
Seems good. In that case, I think it'd be better to add it in "{{Decklist|Card spirits" or something like that. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:19, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
Like Legendary said, I keep see Ruca's Kuribon in Manga as doll - if it was a spirit, it never speak or move. It just stay still, treated the way like the doll. And yes, I can tell the difference between the real and the fake, thanks to my insanity. --iFredCat 22:21, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
....Now that you said it, it was never confirmed that is the spirit of the card, "Kuribon". Although it is deducible as it is Ruca's spirit partner in the anime, nothing was ever said about card spirits in the manga, so saying its the spirit would be sorta speculation. :/ You're good at making things get complicated, Fred-kun. xD
~Just joking. ;) Though, now I'm not sure of what to do about it... Maybe we can add "Kuribon" as "Others" or something like that. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:55, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Talk page note

I have made a note on the talk page of "Blackwing - Sirocco the Dawn" page, but nobody has answered yet. This is about a discrepancy that exists only in the dub. Can you join into the talk page, so I can get this discrepancy solved?Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 22:58, September 17, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


Yeah Sorry About The Double PNG

Virus kanji?

Hey Cheesedude, would you be able to check Yu-Gi-Oh! R to see if Virus Cards are ever referred to with a kanji name? I'm asking in relation to User talk:TwoTailedFox#Virus.png, if you're curious. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:36, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean on the cards or in dialogue? In relation to the "death" point, it sounds like that would come from "Deck Destruction Virus of Death" and could have been a copy/paste job of the wrong text from a card. "Alpha-Wave Emission" and "Vaccination" don't appear to be of any help here. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:54, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
In dialog. I don't think any of the kanji used on cards could be applied to Virus Cards as a whole.
That's what I was thinking, and Delt also seems to agree with that possibility. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:37, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
I'm short on time right now, but I'll check when I can. You could also ask LegendaryAsariUgetsu, he'd be able to isolate the text you're looking for much better than I could, given that he actually knows some Japanese. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:46, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
I thought of asking him too; I might later.
I forgot to mention, but Delt did find a mention in dialog; Duelist 43 uses the katakana name. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:06, September 23, 2012 (UTC)
Just looked through them. I'm not going to be able to isolate the text. For what its worth, the single summary of the chapter I've found doesn't mention anything further about virus cards in its dialogue translation. I'd ask Asari. On the off-chance he doesn't have the chapter, I can provide that if need-be. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:25, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
Attending to numerous requests, here am I, Asaaaaaaaaarriiiiiiiiiiiiii-- *gets punched*
*bleeding* 'Kay, so, sorry for my dumbness, what exactly is the issue here? Is it if the characters refer to the "Virus" cards using the Kanji, "死", or the Kana? If it's that, on R Duel Round 28, Kaiba says nothing about "Virus" when he activates "Alpha-Wave Emission", he just says "Reverse card, open!", though in the card, "Virus Card" is written in Kana, "ウイルス・カード" ("Wirusu Kādo"). Same goes for the lore of "Vaccination", "ウイルス・カード" is written. On R Duel Round 14, when Kaiba mentally explains to himself his all mighty and brilliant tactics, he says that "(...) the Virus of Deck-Killing is gonna infect your Deck - and is gonna destroy your Deck!". A note here. When he says what I adapted to "Virus of Deck-Killing", he uses the Kanji, "死" (yes, "death" or "die"), and still says "Virus" in Kana, "ウイルス". I guess the "死" comes from there, as Kaiba uses this expression since the original manga, if I remember well. This is also referred as "Deck Destruction" ("デッキ破壊", "Dekki Hakai"), if I'm not mistaken (which is even more common) - what later became "Mill", 'cause it's easier and shorter.
About using the Kanji "死" to represent the card type, it depends. That file is fanmade, isn't it? If it was from official sources, then I guess it'd be right to keep it, but if not, I don't think "Death" is appropriate to represent the "Viruses". They don't all "kill" (destroy) actually, and "death" is much indirect in my opinion. But, if fanmade icons are accepted, then I think one using the Kanji "菌" would be a bit more appropriate; it alone can mean "bacteria" or "germ", and is part of "病原菌", which is properly "Virus" (the "Spell" icon has the same origin; it is "魔", which is part of "魔法" - "Spell"). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:00, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your input, Asari, that definitely clears a lot up. =)
Yeah, the SVG icon (and its PNG source) are both fan-made; I asked TTF about the origins of the PNG icon, but he doesn't really remember. I remember Delt saying at some point that Virus (and Trap-Spell) don't have official Attribute icons, since they're manga-only and the manga doesn't use Attribute icons at all.
I was looking for a kanji that might be suitable for the Virus icon; it's good to get a recommendation from someone familiar with the language. Unless someone objects or suggests an alternative, I think that's what we should go with. =) ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:47, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
No problem. Though, I'm still learning Kanji, so, if you don't mind waiting a bit, I may ask Ark from Neo Ark Cradle for an opinion as well. He really is the best guy I know regarding Japanese. Really really. He scares me sometimes. :|
By the way, Dino, I was thinking here on some suggestion (again). =) Y'know, there are cards that have a different type/Type/Attribute in the manga/anime and OCG/TCG, as well as, as we were discussing previously, cards with different effects from one to another. As you commented about, for example, making something to enable a card which only supports an archetype on the manga to be treated as doing so as well, I thought on something. Please check this. Do you know this thing they did right up the file, which you can press "Pre Timeskip" or "Post Timeskip", and the file will change? Just a suggestion, but what if we did something similar to the cards? Like, having "two (or more) sides", one for the TCG/OCG and one for the manga, for example, if the card changed from one to another? Then, we wouldn't need to put "animelore", "mangalore" in the card articles, but instead in the "anime", "manga" "side" of the article. One would just have to click "anime" in the upper side of the article, and it'd show the anime version. Also, if, for example, you go to the "Cyber" article, and click in "Cyber Eltanin" down the archetype navbox, as "Cyber Eltanin" only supports the archetype in the manga, then the link would redirect you to the "manga side" of the article. This could be used with the Virus Cards as well, as they are only "Virus Cards" in the manga, and are Monsters, Spells or Traps in the OCG/TCG. Though, this is just a lul thought I had and felt like commenting, maybe this would be troublesome to make and then give us a lot of work to fix that many card articles, so, just commenting :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:36, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
That's fine, I have no problem waiting a bit longer. ;)
We're already working on most of that. =D I've also been thinking about the linking, though I'm not really sure how we'll handle that. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:22, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
I'm talking to Ark on Yahoo right now. I'll ask him. Hang on. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:25, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
He has no better suggestions. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:42, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
Cool, Asari's suggestion it is then! ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:54, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
@Dino: Oh, you are? xD You for sure are some steps ahead. ^^ Looking forward to your projects to be done. ^^ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:49, September 25, 2012 (UTC)


He posted in the wrong topic. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 19:07, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

XD. Ok. I thought that might be the case, but I didn't check that particular topic. Thanks. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 19:17, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Cyber Dragon and Cyber End Dragon's coloration

Dunno to tell the truth, I just decided to watch GX and I'm just on episode 8 :P. But I thought that 'cause "Cyber Dragon" was also released with an alternate artwork where it is colored black, so I deduced that. But if it's not the case, guess it's irrelevant. :P (Though monsters do use to change coloring/appearance due to character/personality change in the anime/manga. When Judai first Duels Manjoume and "Flame Wingman" switches control to Majoume, it gains an ugly mouth and a dark aura, for example.) LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 01:00, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Haha, doesn't seem a bad idea. It's a shame I don't have those episodes yet. Also, the Duel from episode 8, from where I took the pics, happens during the night, but the "Cyber Dragons" were still all shiny and polished, in grey tons, so I've got confused now. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 01:07, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Number 9

You never know when your opponent's gonna spring "Ancient Lamp" on you. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 16:02, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

XD. If I ever start playing again, I'm putting that card in my Deck. You know of any others that would let you do that? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:06, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think there are any others in the real world. "Mirror Force" seemed to work that way during the Weevil Duel, and "Roulette Spider" too I guess.
And "Attack Guidance Armor". --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 16:49, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Card Trivia: Zerozelock

Hi, Cheesedude; Sorry--I saw it noteworthy to denote that Yuma Tsukumo uses the card to preserve his "Ganbara Knight" on the Field, when this card features the aforementioned on the artwork. I mean, out of all the 0 ATK cards, the designers put "Ganbara Knight" on the card and ironically, said card is on the Field when this card was in play. Didn't mean any harm--I <3 adding/editing new specs to the site. :(-- (talk) 23:32, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Deck help

Would you consider this to be a good or bad idea; a page like that for each Deck used by anime and manga characters apart from most once-off characters? It could also be affixed with links to those Deck gallery pages and possibly an item infobox. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:16, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

I like it quite a bit, though I'm not sure its really necessary. For Yugi's Deck, it makes sense, given the history the Deck has with his grandpa and everything. I'm not sure how much prose we could get out characters in general though.
Would it also help replace stuff in Category:Characters' Decks (whether through a link to this new style or overwriting it altogether)? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:20, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
Lack of prose, I suppose would be a good idea to not use infoboxes for these pages. Otherwise there would be a lot of whitespace before the actual list. But I think it should be possible to get at least two paragraphs in the intro for most Decks.
I was thinking of replacing those pages entirely. I'm not too fond of them:
  • They look kind of awkward. I can't say I find them visually appealing.
  • When you're linked to a section, you get to the right section at first, but then all the show/hides collapse and you're left on the wrong part of the page.
  • When people add/remove cards without mentioning the section in their summary, it's difficult to see which Deck they are changing.
But things like each of Yugi's video game Decks are hardly worth articles of their own (or maybe they are). Another thing I've been thinking of doing is getting rid of those "Name in non-canon" pages. The Yu-Gi-Oh! R information can fit neatly in characters' manga biographies with the disputed canon notice. The same could be done with Capsule Monsters and Pyramid of Light in anime biographies, since neither of them seem to contradict canon, at least not intentionally (4Kids even consider Capsule Monsters to be part of season 5). That just leaves video games and the novel. "Name in non-canon" could then be renamed "Name (video games)" and hold all their video game information, including Decklists. Something else can be figured out for the novel.
So each character page would link to these Deck pages or , {{Decklist}}s or do both if you prefer. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:55, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
Replacing them is fine by me. I also think that anything mentioned in the prose then does not need a note in the table. I.E., the Exodia notes are unneeded, since the prose mentions Weevil destroying them. Note-spam in general is cut down with this table format, such as those for "this was a different kind of card in x". I do think its worth keeping a basic {{Decklist}} around for each Deck too though. Just a straight Decklist, no notes at all, maybe with a notice that more details can be found in the table if need-be. Might be best to bring this up in a forum discussion though; there's plenty of other editors working with the Deck pages at this point.
I have no problem with any of the non-canon changes you mentioned. All of it does fit well enough. Not sure where to put the novel stuff off the top of my head though. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:03, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
I might wait until we get the card article update rolling before bringing this up in the forum. There'll be less need for notes then and it might be possible to do a good deal of this automatically if we have SMW properties for the cards anime and manga info. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:20, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
That sounds good. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 21:55, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Attack and effect name

So, y'know our Attack name page is incomplete. I just found a list made by Ark including all damn attack and effect names, from all series and even from games and TCG/OCG, here. I don't know why I'm sending this to you (maybe because you probably know many people here?), but I don't know who to send it, so would you perhaps know someone with free time and will to complete our list based on that one? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 21:47, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I know. He sent me the link to it over yahoo before posting that NAC thread. Thing is, I just find it very tedious to add them, so its not high on my list of priorities, since I'm not enjoying it. Any help would be appreciated for sure. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:38, September 29, 2012 (UTC)
I see. So you were faster, uh? xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 14:30, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
In getting it there? Yes. In putting everything into the article? No. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 14:36, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Two Questions

1. Can you look at this please? Do you think we should keep the images as they are, or shall I upload images of just the characters face? As seen there.

2. I think the signature and ace monster pages should be separated. Let's look at Yusei as an example. I'd say Speed Warrior, Junk Synchron, Quillbolt etc were signature cards (as he uses them a lot and is known for using them a lot), where as aces would be Stardust etc. What do you think? TheScarecrow14 (talkcontribs) 14:32, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with keeping the images as they are.
That's a fair argument, and it would help alleviate some of the edit-warring on that page. I'd bring it up on the signature card talk page, see what others think. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 14:36, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Two notes

I have a message on the talk page of "Shield & Sword", but I need someone to respond to it so I can get this discrepancy I found out of the way

Another note I have is on the trailer for ZEXAL II. One of the parts of the trailer show Astral surrounded by the Number cards that Dr. Faker stole(I saw Number 83 and Number 9 in the trailer). This seems to imply that Yuma and Astral won back the Number cards that Dr. Faker stole from them and Vetrix. I can't be so sure how this is possible though since the actual episode that shows this scene didn't come out yet.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 23:00, October 1, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
It could be, but it could also be a flashback, since the background in the scene looked to be the Sphere Field (or something similiar). We'll find out in a week, I'm sure. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:28, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info dude ^^ - Augkl64 (talkcontribs) 02:01, October 2, 2012 (UTC)Augkl64

New Account

This is my new account If you want to talk to me. Spectertvx (talkcontribs) 02:28, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. I was going to ask you to comment here. You could also mention your account issue, Deltaneos may know how to go about reactivating it. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:31, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, I'm fine with my new account. And I already talk to LegendaryAsariUgetsu about his question on neo ark cradle. Spectertvx (talkcontribs) 02:54, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. I believe there's a message for you on your old talk page. On that note, I'm going to give you your mover rights on this account. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:55, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thank You. Spectertvx (talkcontribs) 21:26, October 2, 2012 (UTC)


Should elements from the ZEXAL manga (including D Team) be added in the Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL template as well? If not, I guess we should make one for the ZEXAL manga, or just add a section in the main template with "manga elements" or something like that. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:05, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

If it's not going to stretch the template too much, adding stuff there is fine. Otherwise, I think the manga is sufficiently different to warrant its own template. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:52, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
So, making a template solely for the manga is better? There aren't many elements to tell the truth, that's why I'm not sure. Some include Heartland Theme Park (from ZEXAL), Dueling Team and Duel Team Tournament (from D Team ZEXAL). Maybe adding them in the main template wouldn't be a bad idea, as the anime and the manga series take place in the same universe, and the elements of one aren't contradictory to the elements of the other. Although Mr. Heartland doesn't own a Theme Park in the anime, so again, I'm not sure. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 01:03, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
If there's not that many, I'd say expanding the current template is the better option. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:06, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
So, you think we should add everything together and mixed, or make a manga section in the template? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:44, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
Make a manga section in the template. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 15:46, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
I just noticed the terms from the manga were already added in the template, mixed with the others. So, as there's already a "Manga" section for the chapters and stuff, I just added "(manga)" after the manga-only terms. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:58, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Nitro Warrior's effect

I created an anime lore for "Nitro Warrior" because I noticed in the rulings that the effect of "Nitro Warrior" activates only when it's on the field. This was contradicted in this card's debut episode(this card's effect activated despite the fact that "Dash Pilfer" was activated before this card was summoned). I need to make sure it is properly correct to how it was shown in the anime, so can you check to make sure that the anime lore is correct?Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 00:27, October 5, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

It looks fine to me. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
Okay because you see I changed it to 'Once during each of your turns, if you had activated a Spell Card this turn' because this card's effect in the anime appears to activate when a Spell card is activated on the current turn rather than when you activate a Spell Card while "Nitro Warrior" is present. Also it's optional because the effect didn't activate in the Duel with Leo despite the fact that Yusei activated "Card Rotator" this turn.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 00:54, October 5, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

Three notes relating to Toon World

These are a couple of discrepancies I found while watching the episodes. The first note is relating to the Duel between Kaiba and Pegasus. When "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" attacked "Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon", the latter dodged the attack. However Kaiba's "Blue-Eyes" didn't get destroyed despite having the same ATK as Pegasus' "Blue-Eyes". In Yugi's Duel with Pegasus, "Celtic Guardian" attacked "Toon Mermaid", but only "Celtic Guardian" was destroyed since it wasn't a Toon monster. This appears to imply that in Duelist Kingdom only, "Blue-Eyes" can't be destroyed by monsters that have the same ATK as it(this was hinted when Yugi Dueled against the Mimic of Doom).

Another note is the effect of "Toon World" itself. It says that if it is destroyed then all the monsters banished by that effect come back to the field. Problem is they, in Yugi and Pegasus' Duel, came back as they originally were, but those monsters were Tributed not banished as they were Tributed to summon their Toon Counterparts.

One final note is about "Mimicat". It had the same stats as "Summoned Skull", but since it was Tributed to summon "Toon Summoned Skull", it shouldn't have those stats anymore. This would imply that just for Duelist Kingdom, any card that is treated as another card retains being treated as that card while in the Graveyard. I would make note of the effects of "Mimicat" being negated by "Magical Neutralizing Force Field", but that point was in Duelist Kingdom, so I assume that, in Duelist Kingdom, Spells and Traps that are treated as monsters while on the field are not treated as Spells and Traps while on the field. Reply when possible.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 03:24, October 6, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

I would list that as an error, but there may be something in the Japanese dialogue that explains it. I don't know.
I don't think that the Toon monsters required Tributing or banishing the original counterpart at all. I believe it simply transforms the monster into a Toon; that's it. In fact, I don't think any Toon monster was shown in card form during Duelist Kingdom. In addition, was removing cards from play even a thing that existed in Duelist Kingdom? "Toon World" hides monsters, I don't think it banishes them (the closest real world term would be "can't be selected as an attack target, but I even find using that dubious).
Yeah, I think "it was Duelist Kingdom" is enough of an explanation for that point. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 09:20, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
So what should I do first. I don't think you gave an explanation for "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" yet. In a lot of episodes, monsters with the same ATK will be destroyed in a Double KO, but when "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" attacked "Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon", the latter dodged, but since Kaiba's "Blue-Eyes" had the same ATK it should have been destroyed. I think that would mean an anime lore for "Blue-Eyes", but I think it should say Duelist Kingdom only. As for Toons, it was just probably a made up ruling like other cards such as Machines and some other cards. They could just simply dodge attacks that would destroy them if the monsters attacking them are not Toons. As explained by Pegasus, he based this off of Funny Rabbit forever evading Ruff Ruff McDogg's bullets and the latter never succeeding in capturing Funny Bunny. Nice saying about the transforming, but I would assume that cards that become a duplicate of another card are treated as that card's type, therefore they don't apply to cards that destroy certain types (When "Mimicat" became a copy of "Summoned Skull", it probably remained treated as a Monster up until its destruction.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 14:40, October 6, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
I think that before doing anything, I'll ask Ryusui if he can tell use exactly what "Toon World" says. We can change lores accordingly (though the lores of the toon monsters need to be changed for sure). As for the BEWD vs. BETD issue, I don't have ideas, so do as you like. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:35, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, the image we have isn't clear enough to read. So first I'll ask someone if they can get a better image. I'll try too first, but I doubt I'll get one. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:38, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't think we should document cards as having extra obscure effects to explain continuity errors. In the manga, where the inconsistency also occurs, during Dark Yugi and the Ventriloquist of the Dead's Duel, the ventriloquist said that the two "Blue-Eyes White Dragons" were going to destroy each other, before he knew that "Mystical Elf" was going to power up the one Dark Yugi had. So "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" did not have that effect.
  • The lore listed on the "Toon World" page is a fan interpretation. "Toon World" was only destroyed once in the anime before they changed it to make it more like the real world card. That time, all the Toonised monsters got destroyed with it, so I don't know where whoever wrote that got that idea that the monsters would be returned after "Toon World" got destroyed.
  • I think you're right that "Doppelganger" (Mimicat) was treated as a monster until its destruction.
At a glance it seems the animators were lazy with the lore for "Toon World" and just printed its real world effects. The lore for the "Toon World" used in Duelist Kingdom seems to be exact same as its original real world lore (Card Errata:Toon World#Japanese). That translates to Pay 1000 Life Points to activate this card. Pay 500 Life Points during each of your Standby Phases. If you do not, this card is destroyed. When this card is sent from the field to the Graveyard, all Life Points paid for this card are restored., which wasn't how it worked in the anime.
The English manga lore is All the player's cards become "Toon" cards. This is a continuing effect. I can check the Japanese manga lore later, but I don't expect it do be much different. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:12, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
True, but that was in the manga. Not all events in the anime were the same as the manga(the Ventriloquist was replaced with the Mimic of Doom in the anime) as some of the events/Duels in the manga were altered when they were shown in the anime. Again it was about "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" attacking "Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon". Since they had equal ATK, both monsters should have been destroyed, however "Toon Dragon" was unaffected because "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" was not a Toon monster, but since Kaiba's "Blue-Eyes" had the same ATK, it should have been destroyed.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 02:28, October 7, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
That inconsistency existed in the manga too. "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" attacking "Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon" without being destroyed and "Celtic Guardian" attacking "Toon Mermaid" and being destroyed also happened in the manga. If we are to suggest rules to explain why it worked differently, a rule would be needed to explain it in the manga too. If there is one, it most likely also fits the anime, making it unlikely that the writers would come up with a separate one just for the anime.
While we sometimes have to make a certain amount of assumptions to explain some card effects, I think this one is too much of a guess and there's not much character dialogue to back it up. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:04, October 8, 2012 (UTC)


I Understand For Now Despite ZEXAL II is The 2nd Season

Summary doubt + Numbers doubt

So, first, the easy question. Technically, all "Numbers" have the "Cannot be destroyed by battle, except with another Number" effect, so all "Numbers" are Effect Monsters, despite of having or not other effects, right? Second. So, when writing a summary, which chronology should be used? For example, "Tetsuo tells him to calm down, reminding him that the future of the world is on their shoulders" or "Tetsuo told him to calm down, reminding him that the future of the world was on their shoulders"? I've always had this doubt, but never remembered of asking it away xD. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 18:30, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Right. What "Number" has no other effect though.
The former. Episode/chapter articles (and card appearances pages) are written in present tense. Bios are written in past tense. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:33, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
"Number 42: Starship Galaxy Tomahawk" and "Number 63: Shamoji Soldier" (actually "not yet revealed").
Oh, so different tenses are used for summaries and bios? I should be careful not to mistake them, then. :P Thanks. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 19:26, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


About that: The whole edit reason can't be read; you should probably extend the word limit. MadRest 12:13, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

RE:TCG/Anime differences

Oh, I see. That's much easier, indeed. Though, several episode/chapter articles have notes for that differences, including all chapters of the GX manga as an example. Should them be fixed? As I'm still reading/watching GX, I can fix those in the episode/chapter articles as I read/watch through. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:55, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Really. I myself was adding those in many articles. I guess we should add a sorta note or announcement or something like that to let people know.
By the way, any news about the discussion regarding making 2 galleries for cards? There hasn't been any other posts. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 01:40, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Unused images

Hey Cheesedude, I'm trying to help with the moving and tagging of unused images. Do we have any use for booster box images? --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 03:00, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see why we wouldn't put them on the booster pack pages, though keep in mind I've had zero involvement with how booster pack pages are formatted or created. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:02, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
I'll ask Delta. Thanks. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 03:04, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
Sure, and thanks for helping to go through them. It's staggering how many images were uploaded and that not used (or replaced and then left hanging). Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:07, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw your cry for help the other day. I've had my eye on that page for a while, but didn't do anything sooner since a lot of them need to be tagged for deletion, which is a bit tiresome. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 03:13, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Crashsnake's recent return

This user has gotten back online since July. He has deleted some things that I have found proof in in episodes for reasons I don't know why. He appears to have partially read the Manual of Style because he wrote Ritual Summon in all lowercase letters instead of writing the r and s in capital letters(which was somewhat of a problem he had done previously). He doesn't appear to listen a lot of the advice messages, so I think we should block him. However this is what I think for the moment right now. Reply when you can!Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 15:23, October 14, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

BF Dragon's manga name

Would you mind taking a look at here, please? I guess you know what to do in cases like that. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 19:56, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Uh.

Based on "The episode didn't call him Vector", I went through the contributions section for those edits and reverted anything that was related to those episodes. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:03, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Which is why I didn't revert the one at Portal:Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL anime characters.
Well, it'd be more consistent if a section talks about a scene in that episode, and it uses the same terms used in that episode. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:16, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Manga cards lore

Well, you know the lores of the manga cards tend to use different terms of the TCG/OCG, right? And sometimes even non-Yu-Gi-Oh! terms, like that card of Asuka's whose lore was something like "Two ice pillars appear on the field". So, in the cards' articles, should we keep the official English lore or our TCG-like lore? E.g., in the case of "Underworld Dragon Dragonecro", we should keep "This monster does not destroy enemy monsters in battle. It steals the soul of monsters it battles." or "If this card battles with an opponent's monster, that monster is not destroyed by battle. After damage calculation, that monster's ATK becomes 0. Then, Special Summon 1 "Underworld Token". The ATK of the "Underworld Token" is equal to the original ATK of the monster this card battled. If an "Underworld Token" battles with an opponent's monster, that monster is not destroyed by battle."? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 01:39, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Use whatever the manga actually says. In that case, it sounds like an "Underworld Token" isn't even a thing that exists. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 09:09, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
Even in cases like "Two ice pillars appear on the field"? I wonder if it isn't confusing for who didn't read the manga, and that is not even a Yu-Gi-Oh! card lore. :| Although I don't think we should just ignore the actual non-sense lore of the card, so, dunno. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 16:13, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


"Tribute is the act of sending a monster from the field to the Graveyard, either for a Tribute Summon, a cost, or an effect." This is not a good definition \= , if a monster you control "destroyed" by your card, then you can't call that a "Tribute". We can only call it "Tribute" if the card said that, using this term in its text. and I mention that in the article. About "Sending" card to the Graveyard, I open a talk page about it, because I think Tribute is NOT "the act of sending" its something other than that. the sending happen as a result. --Dlamash (talkcontribs) 15:06, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what the issue is. The definition that's there does not imply that a destroyed card counts as a Tribute. It states that a Tribute can happen for a Summon, a cost or an effect. That's it. And that's true, isn't it? As for it not being the act of sending, if you have a better way to word it, by all means change it. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:45, October 20, 2012 (UTC)
If you have "Macro Cosmos" on the field, can you tribute 3 monster to summon "Destiny HERO - Plasma" ? Yes, you can. But you cannot "send" them to the Graveyard, they will banished instead. Thats why you cannot summmon "Arcana Force EX - The Light Ruler" because you cannot pay the cost of summon, the cost will not happen as no card will be sent to Graveyard. If "Tribute" = "Send" then you cannot summon Plasma too. But you can, way? In One sentence, because it's not the act of sending. Sending happens as a result of Tributing, thats way you can still Tribute as a cost to summon or to activate cards or effects even if "Macro Cosmos" is on the field. If you say "Tributing is the act of sending" anyone will think that "Tribute" is "another way of sending card to the Graveyard", and that is WRONG. Tributing is an act, it doesn't mean "Send to the Graveyard", it means "make the monster leave the field". Sending is another act happens Immediately after Tributing, it's something else, NOT the Tribute itself. --Dlamash (talkcontribs) 07:18, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it does send it to the Graveyard. The only instances where its NOT is when a card effect like "Macro Cosmos" changes that. I understand what you're saying, I just don't understand how its an issue at all (and the TCG is not really my department, so if you do say its an issue, I'll believe you). If you want to change it, please try to use better grammar. That's my main issue with your changes. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:47, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Shark Drake Vice

Fixed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:12, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


Unfortunately not. The site won't load at all. :/ --The Goblin 20:57, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Talk page message

I put a note on "Cyber Barrier Dragon's" talk page, but I need to find people that will talk on the talk page. Can you join in with the discussion. On another note, the new errata has now made it clear on the difference between 'this card can only be Special Summoned by/with' and 'this card cannot be Special Summoned except by/withCardsknower (talkcontribs) 01:42, October 22, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

I saw the topic. I didn't respond because I have no comments besides "I don't know". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 14:18, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Three notes

One note on "Jam Defender". After Yugi used "Lightforce Sword", "Buster Blader" went in for a counterattack, but "Jam Defender" nullified the damage. Despite this, "Slifer" was not destroyed. I would assume this was a ruling in the anime about monsters not being destroyed if Battle Damage was negated(just for Battle City). According to two episodes I just went through, it seems that a effect sometimes counts as an effect, but it appears to apply to effects that destroys monsters or effects that decrease ATK(this was in Yugi's Duel with Strings and his Duel with Yami Marik). Also after "Card of Safe Return" resolved, Strings illegally attacked twice in one turn. Under normal conditions, this can't be done unless through a card effect(unless "Slifer" has an effect that can attack more than once, this is an error). Reply when possible.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 01:32, October 24, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

Another note I have on is the number of known Numbers Quattro had. He is supposed to have at least 10 collected Numbers which should include his "Number 88" card(the Number 32 card was given to Trey who gave it to Shark upon defeat). Vetrix took all those Numbers away after Quattro lost to Shark. However the Number card page states there are six unknown Number Cards Quattro obtained, suggesting that Number 32, Number 15, and Number 40 also count as Numbers that Quattro took from other Number holders.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 22:16, October 24, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
There is no evidence to suggest the "Gimmick Puppet" "Numbers" were originally his. He could have gotten them from someone else and decided to switch to a "Gimmick Puppet" Deck so he could get some use out of them. Fact is, we don't know if they were originally his or not. So it's just a general count. In regards to your other question, I really don't know. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:11, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
Well after "Jam Defender" destroyed "Revival Jam" in order to nullify the Battle Damage between "Buster Blader" and "Slifer", the latter wasn't destroyed despite it being weaker. This probably means that in Battle City, a monster can't be destroyed if no Battle Damage, but that is just my assumption as I don't know another instance prior to season 4 where more real life game instances are placed in. It was also stated that Slifer's second mouth counted as some sort of attack as its effect didn't activate while "Nightmare's Steelcage" was active. A similar thing applied to Yami Marik's Duel with Yami Yugi as he was able to activate "Surprise Attack from Beyond" even though "Ra" didn't attack. I will make note of the last note a bit later, so you can read this part.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 00:24, October 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
I would personally chalk it up to "the God cards are allowed to screw the rules". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:26, October 25, 2012 (UTC)
After all this, I would agree now because the Egyptian God cards probably have a lot of strange effects and rulings that they can bypass some rulings under certain conditions. That was probably just for Battle City though because after that, the God cards had to follow a couple of regular rulings.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 00:30, October 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
And Seto wanted those Gods so he just let them screw the rulings until he get them in his hand (which unfortunate had failing to do so) --iFredCat 09:30, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

The Pyramid of Light movie discrepancy

I found a huge discrepancy in Yugi and Kaiba's Duel. Yugi appeared to have 41 cards in his Deck instead of the standard forty in a player's Deck. This is so far one of the few known Duels in the anime or movies where a character is shown to have more than forty cards in their Deck(Others include the Duel with Dartz and the Ceremonial Battle). If Yugi had forty cards in his Deck, Yugi would have lost after Anubis ended his turn which was after his two monsters destroyed Yugi's two monsters.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 04:08, October 26, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

I don't have an explanation for that. The movie had a lot of errors in it with card art the like (Yugi had two copies of "Ra" at one point), so I think it was just that, an error. For what's it worth, the novel gives an exact forty-card readout of Yugi's Deck (along with Kaiba's and Pegasus's), which can be found on Yugi's Decklist page. Doesn't appear to help here though. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 12:07, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Pegasus in the GX manga

The infobox on the Maximillion Pegasus page says that he appears in the Yu-Gi-Oh! GX manga. Is this true? -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:44, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

I vaguely remember a flashback scene he was in, but I could be misremembering. I'm short on time right now, but I can check it later tonight. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:48, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
He appears in one panel in chapter 61. When Tragoedia extracts his heart from "Winged Kuriboh", he views its memories. He sees it as a stone tablet in Egypt, the physical card's creation by Pegasus (which presumably tied the spirit to the card), its memories of Koyo and its memories of passing the Feather of Ma'at to LADD. I can upload an image if you like. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:55, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Nah, you don't need to upload it, unless you think it's needed for an article. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:22, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Better Than TBA>?

I Really Like How its Much Better to put ? on The Duel Results This is An Example How if ? If This Was Added instead of TBA What Do You Think


Opponent(s) Episode(s) Outcome
Fuma 74-75 Win
Daisuke Katagiri 76 Win
Student Council President 77 Win
Alit 80  ?

Did You Even Watched Episode 77 of ZEXAL The Student Council President is Under Barains Control

5D's 150

Should I change the wording in Misty's (and others if the same) article a bit? I ask because we see everyone cheering him on as an image (Yusei was in space, so wouldn't it be speculation to say she returned to Domino city when we only saw their image?). Shardsilver (talkcontribs) 19:37, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I would remove the mention of her returning to New Domino City. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:15, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


Should these terms be written in italics or not? I see both a lot so I really don't know for sure which's the correct one. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:11, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:13, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

A question about Alit

Why would Alit be interested in Tori and which episode showed Alit falling for Tori(which led to him to try and claim her heart)?Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 22:29, November 4, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

One of the recent previews mentions this. I think its episode 80 or 81. As to why, I dunno. Because the writers are stupid? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:30, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
It's episode 80. It's not probably because of how intelligent the writers are. It's probably something that would probably be elaborated on in episode 80. We should wait until the episode airs in Japan.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 22:35, November 4, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
I'm sure there will be an explanation. I just don't have high hopes that it will be a good explanation, though I'm very cynical, so w/e. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:37, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Zubaba Archetype

Hi I saw you deleted the last page that was the Zubaba Archetype for having just 2 cards should I make it now since Zubaba General has been confirmed.--Veriteo (talkcontribs) 09:20, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Restored. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:38, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

"Reconstructed effect|anime"

Why is that template box necessary? According to the words, they say "This card's effect in the anime was never shown fully and/or directly..." It seems incorrect, as Schroeder fully "showed" the effect (by using it and explaining it). I have the feeling you mean "This card's effect text in the anime was never shown fully and/or directly." In that case, is there some way you can change the text box's wording to reflect this? --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 17:12, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

If you can't see the full text, it's needed. By "shown", it does mean the written text. I'll edit the template to clarify, I agree the wording needs work. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:23, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
I changed "effect" to "written lore". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:26, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

5D's MC Images

Should that RexGoodwin guy be editing them? I've seen in several places that images should be centralised images of a character's face, but GX + 5D's had those great images of the MC + their aces, so I was wondering whether or not I should revert his edits (Plus he adds new images without overriding the old ones...) TheScarecrow14 (talkcontribs) 18:40, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing with Scarecrow, the others did actually have their aces too. I want to revert them as well, but I'm not sure what to do. Shardsilver (talkcontribs) 18:47, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
I personally love the character images with the ace cards. For me, using them instead of one that gives a slightly better view of the character's face is a case of ignoring the rules because I think it's better. You can revert him if you like, mention why in your edit summary. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:49, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Damage Calculation

I only have one question about this topic. If you alter the ATK and DEF of a monster during Damage Calculation, will it affect the amount of Battle Damage that is inflicted. For example, if you use "Hedge Guard" on a monster that would be destroyed, will its new ATK and DEF affect the amount of damage you will receive during Damage Calculation? I know you haven't play the game in a while, but this got me confused for a couple of days.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 04:59, November 6, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

That is how I would assume it would work if I was still playing - you would calculate based on the new value. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 15:00, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Magical Hats (anime)

In the anime, "Magical Hats" was very tricky and versatile (and had unique stuff that the TCG/OCG couldn't do). What do you propose to do for the anime effect? Eventually people will wonder why it doesn't have an anime effect... --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 18:14, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

I would propose getting someone to translate what this image says (which I'm going to go do right now) and then using that, since that's what the card actually does. Its a Duelist Kingdom anime card. It does not have what could be called a valid lore for the card game. Also, in the interim, I would assume users would check the manga effect I did add and assume it was somewhat similiar. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:19, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Live Chat

Get on the Live Chat thing for this wikia ASAP; reading through Ryusui's page has given me MANY questions. In case I am there, but don't respond, just wait a little bit. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 01:44, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


It could, but making it check that it is a card page would be a problem. Edit notices should be a better option, assuming SMW can be used on them, which I haven't tried before.
If the manga itself was written before PSCT, then it shouldn't have PSCT, why would the release date of the card affect it? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:15, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

edit the sandbox to see it working.
Edit the source by editing MediaWiki:Editnotice-4-Sandbox.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:42, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
What I am supposed to do? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:32, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
Just throw it at post's face and see it in the Preview butt-on? --iFredCat 00:34, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
At MediaWiki:Editnotice-4-Sandbox. The first two just show that it is working. They will be removed if/when it will be deployed.
You don't really need to do anything to it, I'm just saying that it seems to work.
Maybe you can edit the "Do not apply PSCT (edit this)" part, which is the message to display. Keep it short though.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:32, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Dragon Nails?

Do you think that old anime cards such as "Dragon Nails" should follow the Japanese lore (as translated) exactly? Personally, I think it's fine if it doesn't follow the exact wording (such as "Equip only to a DARK Dragon-Type monster. It gains 600 ATK."), so long as the proper Japanese text is there, and the English lore follows the spirit of the Japanese lore.
On Ryusui's talk page, GoldenKey found out from Ryusui that the word "DARK" could be translated as "Dark". So... at a bit of a loss as what to do here. My opinion: Keep the lore as it was before GoldenKey changed it, but I don't know what to do about the word "Dark". Thoughts? --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 16:27, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Tricky stuff... Not sure what to do... if we "standardize" the lore for "Dragon Claws" in the pre-PSCT lore fashion, we would have to apply this to ALL old anime cards. Take this into consideration before you reply. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 16:34, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
If it was still referring to the DARK Attribute, I would change it back. If it was referring to some other random early-DK game mechanic, then it should stay as "Dark". I'm not seeing anything in Category:Alignments that would it, so I can't see what else it would refer to besides the Attribute. I would ask Deltaneos if he knows of anything else it could refer too, I've not read most of the original manga, but what I have read of it tells me there's often remnants of it in anime card lores. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:04, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
What I mean is, should it have that old wording, or should it be like "Equip only to a Dark Dragon-Type monster. It gains 600 ATK." --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 17:40, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
It doesn't really matter to me, honestly. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:55, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Accidental Post--Supratim1986 (talkcontribs) 11:18, November 11, 2012 (UTC)


Actually i don't have a NAC account. A person on Pojo Forums usually posts the card info from NAC, which i post in here. As for writing the summary, well if i am able to i would write it but only when all the card effects are known (usually within 12 hours to the airing). It isn't actually much difficult to write the summaries if all the card effects are known and how the game was played (except if the duel is like ZEXAL - 077, then i can't help) with only a limited knowledge of the Japanese language (like i do, because i am still in the beginners stage of learning the language).--Supratim1986 (talkcontribs) 11:17, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Old Manga Lores

Just want to let you know, old manga lores should be capable of having the phrase "Spell or Trap Card" changed to "Spell/Trap Card". The precedent for this comes from "Ally of Justice Cyclone Creator". Do you agree with this or no? --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 15:43, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

If the English manga says "Spell or Trap Card", that's what we should use. If it doesn't, I have no problems with using Spell/Trap. That and stuff like target doesn't concern me much, since it had limited use beforehand. Banish is the main term I feel we should stay away from. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 15:47, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

I've come across a discrepancy in the English and Japanese dubs, regarding "Amulet Dragon". In the Japanese version, Yugi said (or at least the subtitles said) that when Summoned, the Dragon can "absorb" all Magic Cards in the Graveyard. He then took the 8 cards out of his Graveyard and showed the backsides of the cards to Rafael. I (and 1 other Japanese website I came across on the web) interpreted this as being "removed from play". However, in the English dub, Yugi just said the Dragon "gets 300 points for each Magic Card in my Graveyard," and pulled out the 8 cards from his Graveyard for dramatic effect. What one should we go with? I have my opinion, but I wish to see your POV on this first. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 02:32, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Absorbed doesn't necessarily have to mean removed from play. Given that he actually took them out of his Graveyard though, I find it more likely than them staying there. So if you must go with one, I'd go with removing them from play. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 05:29, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


  • sorry to waste your time but there is a spammer with this ip ( who is writing bad words on the pages of characters and I gave him a warning for that. Themaster1915 (talkcontribs) 16:40, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I get what he meant by this. That's not only bad word, but also in other language, like some bunch of the spanish names. Also warning him because of his summary. --iFredCat 16:44, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

He appears to have stopped now, so no need for a block. He was warned and he actually stopped. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:48, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
I noticed, at least I pointed out what 1915 meant for. I even warned him to not swearing at other user like that. At least the banning taught me couple of the virtue lessons. --iFredCat 16:50, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
Regarding the anon who just commented on Vivians talk page, shouldn't you block the ip (It's a user Falzar has currently blocked)? Shardsilver (talkcontribs) 17:14, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
How do you know its the same guy? Even if it is, he's done nothing wrong with this IP yet besides failing to read a note and removing it, which was quickly reverted. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:17, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
Shard pointed to this user, I don't think that's same user that 1915 caught and cursed on. --iFredCat 17:19, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong or anything, but you aren't suppose to evade bans (wether you did something wrong or not with the current ip). Guess I'll ask Delt if it's the same user. Shardsilver (talkcontribs) 17:25, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Turbo Warrior and Gate Defender

Does "Gate Defender's" effect target a monster? "Turbo Warrior's" second effect only applies to monsters whose effects target monsters. If this is not the case, I think an anime lore will need to be created. This has created a lot of confusion for me, so I want this solved quickly.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 00:47, November 15, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

"Turbo Warrior" negated Level 6 or lower Effect Monster that target him so in the case, both Anime and TCG/OCG effects are same. --iFredCat 00:54, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds right. Even if it's not, there is no clear shot of the card for "Gate Defender" to know for sure. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:03, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
It's probably similar to the effect of "Negate Attack"(not completely). It targets the opposing monster before negating the attack.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 02:26, November 15, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
Still same, no matter which one went first, it just jammed in the end. --iFredCat 17:31, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Mamoru

There doesn't seem to be any other cases of that happening. That's the only one.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:17, November 16, 2012 (UTC)


Seemed like a good idea at the time. Garunix and Barong share similar effects with Nephthys, so I thought all of them would. MadRest 18:30, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Editing Mistakes =/= Dub Edits

Should we list editing mistakes in deck lists too? Seeing as the dub edits are merely poor editing but are listed (which could possibly be put into a page titled 4KIDS card edit mistakes or something?). An example would be like Dragan having 2 Tanngrisnir or Crow having 2 Vayu's. TheScarecrow14 (talkcontribs) 16:51, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

We do have one page for a particularly egregious example. I'm not convinced its poor editing. I honestly think they intentionally do it because they think they're being clever. I like the idea of having a page where we can just list them. As far as listing them in Decklists, we do that, don't we? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 19:14, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Episode 175 problem

If "Celestial Sword Eatos" wasn't destroyed until the end of the Battle Phase, shouldn't "Kuribandit" have 700 ATK, not 1000(I read "Kuribandit's" page and it says it has 1000 ATK). Also if "Eatos" removes all monsters in the opponent's Graveyard until the player reaches a Spell/Trap, shouldn't "Electromagnetic Turtle" be banished along with the three monsters that Rafael forcibly banished via the effect of "Eatos"? If so, it would be hard to figure out how Yami Yugi could have activated its effect if it was banished from the Graveyard before it could be used.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 21:54, November 17, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

For the first point, the card for "Kuribandit" wasn't ever shown right? So yeah, that's fine. For the other point, I don't really know. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Dark Assailant

I thought if a monster's lore mentions the name of a series/archetype, it is treated as related. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 13:45, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

But its obviously not referring to the "Assassin" archetype at at all since that archetype didn't exist when the card was printed. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 15:11, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
Well alright then. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 15:16, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

ZEXAL II episode count

I think it'd be a good idea to add, in the articles for the ZEXAL II episodes, the number of the episode in both ZEXAL (the whole thing) and ZEXAL II, as, well, we count everything as one series 'cause TV Tokyo does so, but many websites count ZEXAL II from 1, and it is "another series" after all. So, I think we should write, for example, ""Shark's Rage!! Save The Captured Lil' Sister!" is the seventy-eighth episode of the Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL anime and the fifth episode under the Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL II subtitle." or something like that. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 22:44, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Eh, I don't know. Yeah, some websites are starting the numbering over, but I'd argue that those websites are wrong. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


In the anime and manga cards articles, one should to write "|effect =", and under it "|anime/mangalore =", and just there write the lore. What exactly should be written in "|effect ="? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 15:39, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

That parameter is for activation stuff like Ignition, Trigger, etc. I usually add it as a blank parameter because I don't know which is which since its primarily a real game thing (though there's no reason an anime/manga card can't also use it). On the occasions I've added something to it, I'm usually wrong. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Also, Manga version of those effect are very oddly writing, like for "Power Tool Mecha Dragon", it has "You can steal your opponent's Equip Card and equip it to this card." line, which is very different from "Chthonian Polymer" when those effect are worded. I know that the latter card said to sacrifice monster in order to gain a control of the Summoned Fusion Monster while Mecha Dragon just eyed at the Equip Card's action. If that was me, I would saying that "Once per turn: You can target 1 activating Equip Cards that your opponent activated, and if you do, equipped that target to this card." instead of that manga ridiculous... --iFredCat 16:38, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
I've already talked to Cheese 'bout this, Fred. It's not that we describe the effect like that, it's that the lore is written like that in the manga. Despite I also don't like the fact that the manga still uses such lores, those are the official lores, and if it's official, we add it. Although I suggested something like adding the official lore and an additional lore explaining the effect, 'cause some cards just... ugh. Like a GX manga's spell whose lore read "Two ice pillars appear in the field." and 5D's Dragonecro's "This monster steals the souls of the monsters it battles.". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:30, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Yea, that's the whole reason why Cheesy just decided to put in a naked list of "|effect =" instead of filling them up like a foolish clown. --iFredCat 18:37, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion About Curse Network

You don't necessarily know the tone TwoTailedFox is taking... I interpreted the succinctness of his reply as respectfulness. I think it is best not to directly accuse Fox of not caring, but to rather say "It sounded like to me that you..." You get the point. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 06:48, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Respectful? Sure. But it still warrants more of a response given the nature of what's being talked about. If he was busy and had to throw off a quick reply, I understand. To me, it seemed like he was dismissing the whole point. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 06:51, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Genex Gaia

Hey Cheesedude, did you happen to catch the comment Ryusui made in regards to this monster? --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 17:13, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yup, one-card archetype for "Genex Controller", right? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:16, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Gotta love those one-card archetypes. Heh, maybe they'll make a WATER "Genex Controller 1" on in the vein of "Harpie Lady 1/2/3", to give Atlanteans/Mermails a boost. I'm dreaming. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 17:24, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

NAC discussion

Cont' from
Oh, you meant what Fox had planned for the Sets pages, not Delt? And that Hamon page seems to be the only Card Sets page I'm even seeing in existence. So now I'm confused.

Aah, you thought Delt was the one responsible for the Card Sets namespace. That wasn't clear from your post. Nope, apparently it was TTF that got it set up; none of the rest of us have any idea what he had/has in mind for it. And it's not just your imagination, that is the only Card Sets page on the wiki. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:09, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

You were discussing Trivia Pages on NAC, so I thought i'd throw this in. Is there any way to prevent people from adding "X card is similar to X because..."? It sounds tacky and trivia should be what the card is based off of (if anything) and if it's featured in artwork. It's especially annoying on cards which are revival-based when they said "X card is a "Monster Reborn" for (insert archetype, type or attribute). TheScarecrow14 (talkcontribs) 22:31, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, ok. That makes more sense now. I don't really think it's needed by any means though. It probably wouldn't hurt to ask him though.
Yeah, that is some trivia that's pretty pointless, even by the standards of trivia. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:00, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
There's no way to prevent it, but we can make removing it a point of policy, so to speak. "X resembles Y" has no place on trivia pages, nor does "X is Y for Z". ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:08, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

On a side note, is it possible to integrate a "search" part to the new format for card pages, so they wouldn't take up space on the Card Tips sections of those pages? "Search" would have cards that could search the card out, like "Sangan" and stuff. I was a bit offended after reading what NeoArkadia said about those particular tips, but I realize that they were only put there as an attempt to help people. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 07:46, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

As I mentioned somewhere in the NAC thread, Falzar and I were working on a template a while back to completely automate the search tips, which will hopefully resolve Ark's problems with said tips (once we get back around to finishing it up and actually sticking it in a template and deploying). His problem with them, as near as I can tell, boils down to him not liking the fact that people have to spend their time maintaining these tips (though if you're reading this, Ark, I'm *not* trying to put words in your mouth, and you should correct me if I'm laboring under a false pretense here ;) ), so hopefully replacing the hand-maintained tips with a fully-automated template will get him to back off a bit. =) ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:31, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
No, his issue seemed to be that they existed in the first place. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 12:13, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

ZEXAL episode 34

I can't seem to find "Number 15: Gimmick Puppet Giant Grinder" in episode 34. Where was it? On another note, I noticed you reverted edits in 5ds episode 47. I altered it slightly to make it have a bit of old style and new style, but I mostly kept the latter in for the most part. Reply when possible.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 15:31, November 24, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

In the Japanese version, it is shown at the very start of the episode (briefly though). Shardsilver (talkcontribs) 15:33, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Problems with episode 48 and movie

In episode 48, Devack Tributes "Morphtronic Magnen Bar" to summon "Ape Fighter". The former then went to Leo's Graveyard. In Yu-Gi-Oh! 3D Bonds Beyond Time, Yusei was able to revive "Stardust Dragon" through its own efffect, even though it was Paradox's card for the Duel. This would make me assume 3d Bonds Beyond Time uses the rulings from the second series anime instead of the 5ds rulings. This is just my assumption however.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 02:15, November 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

For the first point, what exactly is the problem? I don't get it. For the second, it's just way it worked in the anime. I wouldn't worry about it. The term "owner" isn't necessarily the same in the anime. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:53, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
Well "Morphtronic Magnen Bar" was Tributed to summon "Ape Fighter". When "Ape Fighter" attacks Leo directly, Leo activates "Remake Puzzle" to destroy "Morphtronic Magnen" and summon "Morphtronic Magnen Bar" in its place. Given the lore of "Remake Puzzle", it became apparent to me that "Magnen Bar" was sent to Leo's Graveyard. In the movie, Yusei gained control of "Stardust Dragon" thanks to Yugi. When Paradox tried to inflict damage via the effect of "Malefic Truth Dragon", Yusei Tributes "Stardust Dragon" to negate the effect and destroy "Malefic Truth Dragon", however Paradox saves his monster before it could be destroyed. On Paradox's End Phase, "Stardust Dragon" was revived onto Yusei's side of the field. In reality, that can't happen because "Stardust Dragon" was Paradox's card at the timing. This was explained in the Notes section of the movie page.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 03:04, November 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
I'm still not understanding the first point. For the movie, that was the "bond between Duelist and card" motif in full effect. It wasn't rulings thing, it was "Stardust" actively deciding to come back to Yusei. Paradox was the card's "owner" in game terms, so yes, it should have revived to his side of the field. But Yusei owned the card otherwise and "Stardust" came back due to their "bond". It's just something that's going to happen in the anime sometimes. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 12:13, November 25, 2012 (UTC)
That may be, but this isn't the first time something like this happened. In the Duel between Yami Yugi and Yami Marik, the former took the latter's "Monster Reborn". Yami Yugi then activated "Monster Reborn" to revive "Queen's Knight". "Monster Reborn" then went to Yami Yugi's Graveyard despite the fact it was Marik's card. Marik later took back the card via "Zombie's Jewel". Marik then activated "Monster Reborn" to bring back "The Winged Dragon of Ra". When that happened, "Monster Reborn" went to Marik's Graveyard like it should have been. This Duel did happen in Yugi's time, so I guess the Duelists had to follow those rulings for the most part.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 15:47, November 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

Episode 181 and Critias

I noticed that Yami Yugi was able to remove "The Fang of Critias" even though it was in Kaiba's Graveyard. However this could imply to me that all the cards in Kaiba's Graveyard went to Yami Yugi's after Kaiba lost. This was probably just something exclusive for the second series anime for simple dramatic effect.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 05:03, November 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

You could argue that they shared a single Graveyard, even though there were two Graveyard Zones. Something similiar happened in the final chapters of the GX manga. I wouldn't worry about it. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 12:13, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Masked Doll?

I forget... Did our long conversation do anything to change the status of the English anime lore of "Masked Doll"? I ask this because it might mean that all anime-exclusive cards might need direct translations from what the Japanese lore says. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 07:26, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

I asked Ryusui to translate that one a while back. What's currently there should be accurate. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 12:13, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Nac

Few days back you asked me if i had a NAC account. Well i decided to make one after that and my username there is "Neo Ray Veiss".--Supratim1986 (talkcontribs) 07:38, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Fire King Beast Yaksha

how come only this card has its name changed and not the other Fire Kings: Quilin and Barong? They have similar names. (talk) 06:28, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Because I didn't notice they had also been moved, since they weren't on my watchlist (incidentally, I have no idea why Yaksha was on my watchlist) Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 13:04, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
If they're wrong about this archetype too, I suggest we stop using them as an official source. MadRest 17:56, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
Not the eventual TCG name =/= unofficial. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:14, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
Any source, official or not, would lose its credibility if it's wrong 70% of the time. Just because they say so doesn't mean that we should immediately take it for true, considering they've been wrong so many times. MadRest 20:23, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
They are an official source. That's the end of the discussion. Just because they're wrong [PERCENTAGE] of the time doesn't change it. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:27, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
Even if they're official, if we know they're going to be wrong, there's no reason to follow what they say. MadRest 20:31, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
OMG, Konami is wrong! Kevin's right, let's get effect activating from Sangan when he detached from Xyz Monster! Let's not activating Dandylion's effect when detached or threw from the Deck into the Graveyard! Oh, shut the heck up, Sénior D and accept the fact. You're act like Fi from Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. --iFredCat 20:35, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
But we don't know that they'll be wrong. They've been right more often than they've been wrong, first off. Them having been wrong int he past does not automatically mean they'll be wrong in the future. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:59, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
I was sarcasm. --iFredCat 00:17, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
I was talking to Master D, but screwed up the indentation. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:36, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Fix'd, better now, Cheesy? --iFredCat 00:43, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Can you offer some examples? I don't remember them being right. MadRest 16:03, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
I repeated what I said once, "I was sarcasm"! --iFredCat 16:05, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
On what examples were they wrong? I can recall Gustav Max and Heaven's Strings. I don't recall them having any other card names, wrong, though I could be misremembering. The fact is, when a name that might be wrong from an official source is all we have, that's what we should go with. There are some cards that use different names in the dub and then get a new name in the TCG. We don't ignore the dub just because "they might be wrong". We can't ignore this site either. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:20, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Adding in Cheesy's explanation, they were just a translation that they can change, like the one I did in my own talk page. That was just common knowledge before Konami's official printed names releasing. It happened all of the time, just chill down, Sénior D, k? --iFredCat 16:23, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Photon Thrasher

Since its japanese name can also mean its TCG Name as well as its Translated name, I'm wondering, should that translated parameter be changed to "Alternate" instead? I asked Ryusui about the translated name and he came to the same conclusion I did, that Photon Slasher and Thrasher are both valid translations. The name cannot be translated into any other names from what I'm aware of. I'm not familiar with how these parameters work, so I'd rather consult someone to avoid doing something stupid. Neos01 (talkcontribs) 17:27, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

If "Thrasher" is valid and that's what the TCG went with, I would say it was the intended translation and the parameter can simply be removed altogether. We shouldn't use "altname" for unofficial names. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:36, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I'll remove the parameter. I just hope I can avoid a war with Master D. Neos01 (talkcontribs) 17:40, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
When it enters the field, there is a slashing animation on a black screen in the anime... MadRest 17:52, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
And? Could you not "thrash" while slashing something? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:56, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Stupid Viz

So, I just bought some English volumes of Yu-Gi-Oh! manga, including volumes 7, 8 and 9 of GX. Viz just messes everything up. In one single volume, for example, they call Johan by 3 names: Johan, Johann and Jesse. The same happens to other characters and the worse for us: cards. For example, Amon's "Sealed Beasts". In volume 7, when he Tag-Duels Asuka and Misawa, they are called "Sealed Beasts", but when he later duels Judai, they're called "Forbidden Beasts". So, what should we do? We name 'em "Sealed" or "Forbidden"? :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 17:48, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Leave them at Forbidden. One, its less work moving all the stuff again and it was used later. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:56, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
Like with Kalin still called them "Purgatory" while their card counterpart still used the TCG name "Infernity". Manga are all non-sense like that, so I would better let them going to "Forbidden" unless further evidence are adding. --iFredCat 18:52, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
Awright. And for exceptional cases, I just add "|manganame =" (if the manga name differs from the TCG name) or "|altname =" (if it has multiple names or a mistaken name), right? Just to be sure. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:05, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
Yes. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:59, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

New User, I guess...

Would you mind moving the post on this page to the Forums, and informing User:Otokoshiro what Talk pages are for? I would try to move the page myself, but idk how. Or is it just a matter of simply deleting the page (or removing content and placing deletion request template, in my case) and copy/pasting the content to the Forums? --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 22:17, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

You should be able to move the page just as you would any other. I'll look into it though. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:59, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
Thing is, I don't know how to move pages. The closest thing I know is "renaming." Would you mind telling me how, or referring me to page that explains how? Anyways, Falzar kinda resolved the situation, but I'm still interested if it comes up again. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:04, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Moving and renaming are the same thing. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:05, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
And also to moving the article without making a redirect; unmarked "Leave the redirect behind" line so all other Admins would not have an issue to strangling the fake one off. --iFredCat 00:19, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


Hello! I am PhoenixRa1237! You want to duel? Contact me on my page if you do. PhoenixRa1237 (talkcontribs) 00:43, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

I don't Duel. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:45, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Spell Transfer

The text beforehand is also supposition. You can't prove either lore as correct. Mine, however, is closer to how the card would work, as there has been consistency on when cards of that category have been activated.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 02:20, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, we can't actually see the text. But gameplay simply does not work that way in Battle City. We should not act as if anime card effects work the same as in the real game. Especially back in DM, they didn't. A card effect worded as if it was a real card has no place there. Yes, the effects are retroactively negated, but we should not have to say that - that's just how it worked in Battle City. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:25, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Why not put up the banner about the one that you don't get the exact lore, like the one in Anime? --iFredCat 02:29, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Didn't even notice that wasn't there. Added. Thanks, Fred. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:31, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Can we at least agree that, as the original text was based on it being a Quick-Play Spell Card (information to the contrary wasn't available at the time, I suspect), that we should at least modify the activation conditions to Activate only during a turn where your opponent has activated a Spell Card"; I'm happy for it to be assumed the negation is retroactive.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 02:33, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Glad to helping. ^_^ --iFredCat 02:36, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
I have no problem with that part. For the record, we've significantly changed how we handle anime card lores since you were last really active. If we can get a translation of the actual text, that's what we go with. Manga cards in particular have been changed quite a lot. I can dig up some of the old discussions that resulted in the changes if you want more info. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:38, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Would be appreciated. I'd already seen the template used, and assumed without the text, the closest guess based on gameplay would be used.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 02:39, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
Right, the template helps out a lot. There's some discussion on the subject here and here and then another exchange here here and here. There's probably some more around somewhere, but those are the discussions I recall off the top of my head. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:50, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
I can see where the confusion has come from, they were formatting changes I used when I was still a heavy editor, but I made no formal written observation of it. My original intention would be to maintain the original anime and manga lores (including old deprecated terms, as they would have still been in use in the media in question), and have a separate English lore, detailing how the card lore would look following today's format changes. I regret not making a formal note of that.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 02:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
I personally don't mind documenting an "updated" version somewhere, but I'm not sure it should go on the actual card article pages, since that kind of implies its the "real" version. The deprecated terms are a particular pet peeve of mind. As far as I'm concerned, the words "Extra Deck" should be nowhere near DM and GX articles and the term "banish" should be nowhere but ZEXAL. However, I don't like the idea of maintaining "TCGished" versions of really old Duelist Kingdom anime/manga cards anywhere at all. As I said in one of those links, those card don't have valid YGO lores, we shouldn't act like they do. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:00, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
I'm actually in agreement with you on the first point. We can use the Card Lores namespace to list a "Here's what X's Lore would look like in the modern game". How many Duelist Kingdom cards would be affected by your second point?--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 03:04, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

(arbitrary indent reset) I've suggested that myself, but others seemed to disagree. My second point would affect any card played in DK, not just anime only cards. The anime/manga lore parameters of released cards shouldn't act as if the cards were the same either. So really, it would be most DK-era Spells and Traps and the few monsters that had effects. Fusion Monsters are of particular concern - they were not cards in DK (or BC, as far as I know. Doma did show actual Fusion Monster Cards). They were just fused forms of monsters. Toon monsters were also not cards. Just "transformed cards". There are literally zero occurrences of a Toon monster card appearing in Duelist Kingdom. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:09, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

We can probably iterate this in a forum post, it should just be a case of deciding on a layout that we would use to document these entities. We can use " (DK)" as a suffix for the articles themselves, and they can be linked to on cards that saw OCG/TCG iterations of aforementioned entities.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 03:12, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
You mean restricting the anime/manga lores to separate articles? I really don't like that idea at all. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:15, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
In that case, it would then be a matter of deciding how to word the "non-card" entities on their existing pages.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 03:35, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure I'm grasping what you're saying. Can't we just use the animelore and mangalore parameters like we are now. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:42, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
If I may interject, I'd like to point out that the card article redesign will see the anime/manga info split out from the OCG/TCG info (and from each other), which will give somewhat more freedom in handling this stuff, I think. =) ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:29, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
True, and I'm quite looking forward to that, though it would be nice to get his hammered out in the interim nonetheless. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 13:34, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

"Treasure Cards"

Today, when I saw the artwork "Charm of Lamentation" and saw it was similar to the artwork of "Card of Sanctity". Eventually, I realized there are at least 5 cards out that have "Treasure Cards" included in their Japanese names. (I'm not sure if the kanji is different though, but that's what the literal translations of the names provide.) They are "Charm of Lamentation", "Card of Sanctity", "Card of Sacrifice", "Card of Safe Return", and "Card of Demise". There may be more, but I don't know how to search up cards based on the kanji in their Japanese names (like DinoGuy1000 did when he created the page for the "Hand" archetype). Anyways, I think "Treasure Cards" qualifies as a series, as they all revolve around drawing cards. Wondering if you could create it? Feeling a bit unsure of myself on how to make such a page. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:17, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

There are instructions on how to do so somewhere on Dinoguy's userpage. Yes, that does sound like a series to me. There's also "Treasure Cards of Adversity", "Treasure Cards of Magic Sealing", "Card of Variation" and "Card of Reversal". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:24, December 2, 2012 (UTC)
Specifically, here, though Delt pointed out a simpler way to search on my talk page: [[Japanese name::~*kanji*]] in the "Query" box on Special:Ask, and be sure to stick a ?Japanese name in the "Additional data to display" box so you can actually see and compare the Japanese names of the cards it turns up. You may or may not want to also include the relevant kana in the query, or additional data in the "Additional data" box, to help narrow results faster - e.g. in this case. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:35, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Manga Image Policy

The Image Policy page doesn't say how to name files of cards from the original manga, and as there are 2 anime series based on it, I'm not sure on how to name the files. Should they contain "-DM" after "Manga", or just "Manga"? For example, "EyeofDeception-JP-Manga" or "EyeofDeception-JP-Manga-DM"? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:04, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

No one knows. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:06, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

English doubt

I've always had this doubt when writing summaries. What's the right one: "He replies saying that XXX" or "He replies XXX"? I guess it's the first one? :P LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 21:19, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Both are correct as far as I know, though I would change the first to "he replies by saying that XXX". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:51, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Images on chapter articles

So, I'm now starting to add images to the articles of the manga chapters (although I'll do it slowly due to lack of free time, but anyway). So, I started with Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Rank 002, which also still needed a full summary, so I added both the summary and the pics, but... the outcome wasn't very good. *__*' Maybe it's too crowded in the end, but I personally find all those pics important, so dunno. They also make the text get all together, like, killing the paragraphs. Any tips to improve that? :P If I'm not mistaken we already talked 'bout this a while ago, but I'm still stupidly bad on it, sorry. *__*' LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 23:10, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

I've had problems with images in episode/chapter articles in the past and continue to have them today. It's difficult to get the images in the right way without killing the paragraphs, as you said. For the specific chapter you're talking about, I have only two suggestions. One is to remove the image of Yuma losing hope, I don't think that's too important. The other is to make the summary longer, which can be particularly difficult for manga articles since we have full text readouts for them. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:51, December 5, 2012 (UTC)
Guess I'll remove the image you said then. There's no way I can make the summary longer 'cause, as you advised me once, I write down every word a character says. :P Well, guess it can't be helped. I'll let 'em as they are, it's not as if this damaged the article considerably. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talkcontribs) 00:07, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Summary needed

Can you input an episode summary for episodes 48 and 81 of Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL?

On another note, there was something about some of the anime card lores. Because of how they are shown, some of them don't say certain things that occur in the anime itself. UltimateKuriboh has been going around the pages and literally translating the lores if possible. The only problem is that this eliminates a couple of things that the anime characters clearly do with the card(s). Even though he made small notes on the cards that tell users not to add or change anything on the lores, I don't think all users will follow this. I think we need a new template that says that one part of the card's anime lore was not actually written in the anime lore and what was written was what occurred in the anime. Reply when possible.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 01:05, December 6, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

I'm sort of burned-out doing summaries right now. I'm taking a break unless a new episode airs that I really want to watch again. Misael's episodes may just be that, but I don't know yet. All told, it takes about two and a half hours to do a full summary for one episode.
I think the issue is that the words "lore" and "effect" have always been used interchangeably, when they are not the same thing. A "lore" is what the card says, an "effect" is what the card does. The lores should document just that - what the card says. The episode articles can document what the card does - which would be the lore plus anything else the card did that wasn't written. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:16, December 6, 2012 (UTC)


Cheesedude I like how you fix my sentence in the errors of Yugioh! Zexal Episode 79 so that it makes more sense. I was watching episode 79 when I noticed that Chaos Xyz: Furious Flower Battleship, Taoyame had 2 overlay units instead of 3. Signed Six Sam Xyz-- (talk) 04:39, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Also Cheesedude thanks for pointing out my mistake on my edit in Yugioh Zexal Episode 1. I understand now why the cards I edited shouldn't be in itlaics. Signed Six Sam Xyz-- (talk) 04:46, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 04:48, December 6, 2012 (UTC)


Odd stuff... when editing the "Amazoness Arena" and "Amazoness Trainer" pages, I deleted the "Hide Factbox" template, not knowing its use. It ended up glitching the whole right side of the page, shoving it underneath the card article. I fixed both pages, but am also wondering if there is some old stuff on the card pages that could be fixed, so the "Hide Factbox" template doesn't need to exist there anymore. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 02:16, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Dinoguy can tell you more, but Hide Factbox has to used when the Japanese name is long enough that it would end going outside the factbox on the bottom of the page. When that happens, the whole page glitches a bit. There is no known way to fix it, at all. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:04, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
Probably been discussed before, but is it possible that the image size of the picture could be reduced? Or is it just a matter of the card table's limits? (P.S. I left you a message on the "other" wikia, and I'd appreciate if you could do it right away.) --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 03:15, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
It's got nothing to do with the image, its the Japanese text. It typically happens with cards that already have long names that then have to include {{Ruby}}. Got your message and responded there, its been handled. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:22, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
As Cheesedude said, {{Hide Factbox}} hides the SMW Factbox that appears at the bottom of any page with SMW properties, and is used specifically when the Japanese name contains Ruby markup that causes page breakage. The breakage itself is caused because SMW automatically shortens property values over a given length in the factbox, but does so without working around markup, and when this is done with Ruby markup, it can result in invalid markup that breaks the whole page (this is the same thing that you might occasionally see on forums where the software is poorly designed/tested and someone does something wonky with the [quote] tags, or where the forum software supports [table] markup but again this functionality isn't handled properly). There's nothing we can do short of hiding the whole factbox to fix this breakage when it happens, though Delt has brought up the idea of hiding the factboxes on all pages, since most readers don't need that information in that form; if we do this (and I agree that we probably should), it will obviate the need for {{Hide Factbox}}.
The size of any individual card image can be reduced via the "width" parameter, but as Cheesedude said, the image size has nothing to do with the page breakage. In addition, the maximum size was already reduced from 400 to 300 pixels after the deployment of the Wikia skin; it won't be getting reduced further, and may in fact be increased a bit in the course of the card article redesign. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:33, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Judai in Ra Yellow

This was the reason why Judai was in there for "temporary". But I agreed with ya, he never pick up Yellow overcoat nor ever placed his foot in that dorm at all so it's just an unnecessary notice. --iFredCat 03:17, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, that. No, that doesn't count. I also managed to read "episode" as "season" somehow, which is why episode 4 didn't even occur to me. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:22, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
I know, at least I give you an evidence of why it was listing. Though it's there, it's still wrong - Judai never go there anyways. Enjoy the good sleep night! --iFredCat 03:38, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Changes to The English Version

Hey Cheesedude How Come We Dont Add Changes to The English Version Anymore And Let All The Episodes Remain Without It Anymore We Dont Need it anymore or What? Confuse Me? (ZombieLionel (talkcontribs) 15:28, December 8, 2012 (UTC))

It should be in the actual summary in parenthesis, not in a separate section. If there is no summary, putting it in a seperate section suffices until a summary is added. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:10, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

The effect of "Earthbound Immortal Ccapac Apu"

The rulings for this card say it's the original ATK of the destroyed monster, but in the anime when this card's effect activated, it was about to inflict 2500 damage to Yusei(when Yusei activates "Burst Synchro Summon" to nullify the damage, he summoned "Stardust Dragon" to the field, making it apparent that the damage was going to be 2500). Shouldn't the anime lore say total ATK instead of just ATK? Reply when you can.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 17:07, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Rulings were ignored in this case, and I think Konami will later update the lore to PSCT standards, saying "Inflict damage to your opponent equal to the original ATK of the destroyed monster." If the anime lore was ever updated to PSCT standards, it would look something like "Inflict damage to your opponent equal to the destroyed monster's ATK on the field." The anime lore is vague enough for it to be interpreted as the latter interpretation. (Note: The latter interpretation was based on "Catapult Turtle".) --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 19:13, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
Actually I just noticed a difference the TCG/OCG effect of "Ccapac Apu" was similar to the effect of "Elemental HERO Flame Wingman"(it says 'destroyed monster's ATK, meaning their original ATK). You are right the anime effect of "Ccapac Apu" was similar to the effect of "Catapult Turtle" as it says 'to inflict damage to your opponent equal to that monster's ATK' which would make it current ATK as "Catapult Turtle" has done in both the real card game and the anime. Because the anime effect doesn't say destroyed monster, it inflict "Junk Warrior's" total ATK instead of its original ATK.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 21:32, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh! BAM

Would it be possible to get the information on Yu-Gi-Oh! BAM cards included in the card article itself via CardTable2? That way, we can just run a query on the cards, instead of just continually adding to a very long article.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 19:29, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

That idea's already been kicked around some; the main BAM editors agreed to wait for the card article redesign instead of having me pile ever more complexity on top of CardTable2 (I'm also waiting on the redesign to add support for the old Japanese DM games that aren't currently supported). My current work on supporting BAM in the redesign is at {{BAM card article}}, though it's currently broken since I haven't updated it to work with the latest version of {{Card table}} yet. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:34, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
I've come up with concept that works, it doesn't add *too* much complexity, since it just uses the video game section at the bottom. SMW Property names might need working on, though.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 20:13, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
So I saw. That will probably work well enough as a patch until the redesign is ready to be deployed (especially since we don't have any sort of timeline for that to happen yet), though I'm kind of leery about ending up more-or-less locked in to parameter/property names (the parameter names aren't so bad, since the redesign deployment will require a more-or-less complete rewrite of all card pages anyways, but it's still problematic if people get too accustomed to the temporary parameter names - at the least, {{BAM card article}} will have to check for the parameters and add a tracking category if they get used; property names are much worse because we have to track - or track down - all uses of a given property in queries anywhere on the site (as a result, I've been generally pretty cautious about renaming properties in general)). ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:55, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
I have no idea why this was posted here, I know nothing about BAM at all. However, feel free to continue to use my talk page for this conversation if you wish. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:09, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Arc question

This is starting to bother me enough that it's becoming annoying, but shouldn't we change the Divine Temple headors in character articles to Ark Cradle. What the Ark Cradle itself was called in the dub doesn't matter, the Ark itself is still the same (it was not dubbed, just as GX season 4 wasn't, so the heador shouldn't be saying Divine Temple). It doesn't help when users revert with no reason ether. I would have brought this on the Ark Cradle Arc talk page, but it doesn't seem to work) Shardsilver (talkcontribs) 19:44, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it should say "Ark Cradle". I've changed them back in the past, but I haven't kept on top of it if Divine Temple is cropping up again. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:14, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Polymerization Card Appearances

I noticed the editing on Polymerization and it relates to the "Polymerization" Rebecca had in her hand. How I can write this edit in a way that it will not be deleted?Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 01:16, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

You can't. If it wasn't shown being discarded, it doesn't count, even with process of elimination. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:17, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, but I had this thought of just saying 'discarded at an unspecified point' or 'unknown means' because we know it left her hand, but it didn't show so. I just made this thought since it would be a neutral point(I was reading the Card Appearances page of "Elemental HERO Clayman" and noticed the part about "Clayman" being sent to the Graveyard through unknown means during the Supreme King's Duel with Axel is still there.). This is just a thought, so it might not be agreeable with you or Fredcat.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 01:40, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
That sounds fine. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:43, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
I placed it in, but Fredcat100 because he claimed there is no source required. I don't what to do that will convince him into showing that edit was a bit more neutral than the other edit.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 03:03, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Like I told him in my own talk page - does Judai won the duel against Yugi in this episode? The result is conflict and unclearly so we couldn't prove his victory or defeat, it just cut off as Neos jump and kick Osiris in the face. So to confirm this, I am put that reason on this part - the card that Rebecca discarded was not showing, therefore never confirm to be "Polymerization" or other card, it is still unknown since the duel ended before we got a chance to see her hand at that time. So better off just "discard a card", rather than threw the stink towel by say that it was "Polymerization". --iFredCat 18:09, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
He changed it to "it was discarded at an unknown point". And we can confirm that much - it was discarded, we just can't confirm when. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:17, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Still, Not confirmed = not post. --iFredCat 18:19, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
No, part of it is confirmed and we can document that part - and only that part. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:21, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Did she said "Polymerization" any time after she drew it? --iFredCat 18:26, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
I don't know. The point is that it was shown to be in her hand and it later was not in her hand. Therefore, it was discarded, we just don't know. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:27, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Exact, you don't know, so don't bother put it in unless source proved it. I am repeat what Goldy always say; Speculation Information, no need to add it in. What happened to her hand afterward don't matter as long as it don't show. If it does show second time after that point you mentioned, then we can put it in. I am not repeat myself for 500th times! --iFredCat 22:58, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Her hand actually was shown briefly after. This was when she ordered her "Diamond Head Dragon" to attack Leon's "Globerman" in episode 193. The original version incorrectly showed "Diamond Head Dragon" instead of "Dragon's Rage". The dub got it right though. When Rebecca activated "Rope of Life", she revealed she had no cards in her hand, so she didn't have to discard anything. By the time she set "Dragon's Rage" face-down, she had no cards in her hand again.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 23:09, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Then that made a sense, why not do that in the first place? The early explanation was terrible - horrible as poop. --iFredCat 23:27, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Despite it making sense now to you now, I want to wait for Cheesedude's say so on this. I am outmatched by two votes to one for the moment and even though that's enough proof for you to show "Polymerization" left Rebecca's hand, I want to wait till everyone here comes to a full agreement.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 23:35, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Well, my instinct was like a spider-sense, it knew that you had a trouble make the explain clearly enough to prove it. My sixth sense was waiting for you to give an enough explanation of the reason why Rebecca threw "Polymerization" out with more details than just "Meh! I guess she discarded it via this trap card's effect! Bah!" example. The recently respond of your (which was set on time [23:09]) was much better summary than the old one. You're welcome to put the new, full summary of Rebecca and her "Polymerization" discarding in there instead. --iFredCat 23:41, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Wait was this, the 'unknown point' summary or the other one? Because you confused me on this. There is also one more thing to mention. The two cards Rebecca drew on her last two Draw Phases were "Tribute to the Doomed" and "Stamping Destruction"(though exactly when is unknown to me). By the beginning of episode 193, the only card remaining in Rebecca's hand would be "Adamantine Sword Revival"(as that was in her opening hand in episode 192).Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 00:25, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
I was still pointing to "Card Appearance:Polymerization", which was mistake of your. Your most recently comment was little... off from the rest of the topic. Please get back on the topic if you can. You can read again and again to see if your brain arranged right. --iFredCat 00:32, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

(reset indent)If you word it the way it was worded before FredCat reverted, I have no problem with it. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:10, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Oh because I was going to make a mention of "Tribute to the Doomed" in that page since I was able to get into an agreement on Fredcat about that card. I assume you wouldn't want that because the card discarded for the cost of "Tribute to the Doomed" wasn't shown despite some of the proof I had given out.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 01:59, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
No, that shouldn't be there. I was still talking about "Polymerization". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:08, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
There ya go, we are still talking about "Polymerization" - where are your brain when it come to "Tribute to the Doomed"? --iFredCat 02:18, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
Let me rephrase this so it makes sense. I was actually rereading the revision history of "Polymerization" when I was doing this. I was going to write that "Polymerization" was discarded for the cost of "Tribute to the Doomed" on the Card Appearances page part relating to the events in episode 192. However since the card discarded for "Tribute to the Doomed" was not shown, I am afraid of Cheesedude will revert that edit when I try to edit it. However, in my own opinion, I think I have found enough proof that the card discarded was "Polymerization".Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 02:30, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
I wouldn't revert it, but I do disagree with it. That said, I can seen where you're coming from. There is evidence, I'm just convinced its enough. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:45, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
I am agreeing with that, my instinct seemed to calming down because he stretched the explanation. That's what is the matter now. Next time, if you put up the details of the card's "unknown" location or appearance, do the same way as you had done with this thread - not "Derp She threw it away Hurr". --iFredCat 02:46, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Episode 56 and "Junk Barrage"

Did "Junk Barrage" appear in this episode because I can't seem to find it. Reply when you can do so.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 00:26, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. I'll check in a bit. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:10, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
ZingerZheng added it. It would ask him, he's usually pretty good at card identification, right? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:26, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
ZingerZheng hasn't been online since early November. I suggest we go to Winternightmare since he probably is much better at card identification. Just my suggestion though.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 05:17, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
That's fine. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 14:02, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Crashsnake and his newer edits

Crashsnake is still editing pages the way he usually does for the most part. I know this is a very old issue, but he is still doing it. I don't think reasoning with him will help anymore. What do you think we should do.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 01:17, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Thor and Granal Top's anime effect

Should we add in Thor's anime lore that monster effects cannot be activated in response to it's effect? Scar-Red nova dragon and Shooting Star dragons remove effects are the same, but Jack didn't do it when Brave used Thor's effect to negate Scar Red nova's (if he was able to remove Scar-Red nova dragon at the time, he would have). Another thing is Jack actually did remove his dragon in 132, yet Jose still negated it with Granal Top (when he had already removed it off the field). I know anime kind of jumps the gun sometimes, but should something be added to those two lores, or a simple note in those two episodes? Shardsilver (talkcontribs) 01:56, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Episodes yes. Cards, no, unless the Japanese lore supports it. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 01:59, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Main page

UltimateKuriboh said that i have to tlak to you before i made edit to main page so this is my work, what do think should that be layout of main page. Avatarr (talkcontribs) 06:39, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

I think you should start a topic about this at Talk:Main Page. It's not just my opinion that matters. That being said, I like the banner at the top and the character box layout, but I'm not fond of the scrolling bar thing. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:07, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
It seems you've already done that. I've responded there as well. :) Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:12, December 13, 2012 (UTC)


I will leave them in-place, then. Just a habit back when I used to see them a lot more.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 23:34, December 13, 2012 (UTC)


Meh... I knew that already =/. Thing is, I'm a bit hesitant about creating such a page, because all the "Overlay" cards I'm seeing seem to have effects involving Xyz Materials all over the place. Some have effects that detach Xyz Materials, effects that detach Xyz Materials as a cost, effects that rely on the Xyz Monster having no Xyz Materials, effects that rely on the Xyz Monster having Xyz Material, etc. In other words, they are very loosely based on Xyz Materials, and their artworks generally have either Xyz Material or an Xyz Monster featured in them. It doesn't seem consistent enough (as of now). --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:01, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure how we'd word it on the page. I'm not really interested in creating the page myself either. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:12, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Duel Summaries

I need help here. There is some who is changing the Duel summaries. An example is shown here. He/She seems to be capitalizing the word "draw" and adding stat changes similar to the Life Point changes. In my opinion, this is an old style of episode summaries, since they are no longer used in future episode summaries in the ZEXAL and 5Ds eras. Is there a policy thing that can be presented to this user to stop him/her? Or should there be one constructed? -_- I understand he is somewhat known for his edits to card appearances (and possibly Duel summaries). --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:16, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

The stat changes are a personal thing that I don't do because I think they're unnecessary. I don't see a problem presenting them in parenthesis instead of prose if that's what whoever writing it wants to do. Draw shouldn't be capitalized though. I went ahead and just linked him over to the Manual of style. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:19, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
I already got your message. It won't happen again when I edit another Duel Summary(I will input the word 'draw' in lowercase letters next time). (talk) 00:37, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
If you feel like it, I would like to discuss this over the live chat. Cardsknower should be coming (and hopefully that other user), and I would like it if you came, but if it disinterests you too much, it's okay. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 01:15, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Small message

I was following some of the way the anonymous contributor was editing the Duel pages, but it wasn't that frequent. Occasionally players may play the card they just drew. In my opinion, I think UltimateKuriboh is taking this issue a bit too seriously, but I will try to reply to him about this issue soon.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 01:01, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

A Rival

Base on my guess; "Number C107" can be completely oppose to "Neo Galaxy Eyes Photon Dragon" in the effect and look. I can be wrong though. --iFredCat 12:25, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Rival is a bad choice of words to describe that. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 12:27, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, at least I give out an explain, no? --iFredCat 15:46, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
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