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I should probably explain myself. If you've seen Black Metal Dragon's tip page, then you know that it can be used to perform an OTK in the Traditional Format. It involves Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End. See, while you control it and Meteor Black Comet Dragon, you would use CED's effect to cleanse the field and hands. Due to Meteor Black Comet Dragon's effect, you would summon Red-Eyes Black Dragon from your Graveyard, and Black Metal Dragon would add Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon from your Deck to your hand. After summoning Darkness, you would attack directly with it for an OTK.
I was attempting to make a legal version of the "Darkness OTK", so that if/when Chaos Emperor Dragon gets his erratum in the TCG, the OTK could still be performed. According to you and UltimateKuriboh, Gandora will not be helpful. In that case, do you have any better ways on performing the OTK? Any other cards that can help? Any at all?RedEyesBurn69 (talk • contribs) 12:22, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
- It won't necessarily go into an OTK. I prefer avoiding these tips, where you add tons of stuff, but requires specific set-ups. I mean, I confess that one wasn't particularly complicated to do, but... It still needs some turns for you to get into it, I think.
- The "Gandora" one... You need to Normal Summon it and still have fodder for the others and an equip card, that isn't searchable unless you give up your Normal Summon... Too situational.
- Nope, no suggestions, from the top of my head. Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 12:53, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
How is the Black Metal Dragon tip not viable? And yes, I am aware that some Monsters can negate attacks or end the Battle Phase outright by banishing themselves from the Graveyard. I know that an OTK is not guaranteed, but it can still leave your opponent in a deadly situation. Even if they do survive your turn, they might have to rely on Top-Decking.
I'm going to try a Deck with Magical Merchant later on. A Cyberdark OTK Deck has been made with MM before. But for now, I'd like to know what the cons of the Darkness OTK are.RedEyesBurn69 (talk • contribs) 13:21, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
- Either it's Traditional, where there's way more overpowered stuff running around, or it's the erattad version, which the combo doesn't work with. If Chaos Emperor Dragon nukes the field, you can't activate anything else for the rest of the turn. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 20:39, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
The Basis For My OTK
You said earlier that the Darkness OTK may take a while to perform. I'm actually trying to make a Darkness OTK Deck. The basis for it is not only sending Dragons from the Deck to the Graveyard(Red-Eyes Fusion, Future Fusion, Painful Choice, etc.), but also rapidly drawing cards. And to ensure that REDD is in your Deck when Chaos Emperor Dragon uses its Nuke effect, the Deck contains Magical Mallet and Reload. Basically, send Monsters from the Deck to the Graveyard, and draw like crazy. So this One Turn Kill doesn't and shouldn't take as much time as you believe. RedEyesBurn69 (talk • contribs) 20:57, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
- If you're trying to make the OTK; please do it first, test it, and only then, if it works consistently, you can add the tips. Most of stuff works better in our heads.
- I remember when I built my first decks. No simulators to test them, I just searched cards in on the wiki and everything looked great, what a powerful deck I was building. I built it, played against my friend, bricked like hell. Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:33, June 5, 2017 (UTC)
I GOT IT! I GOT IT!!
I finally figured out a legal version of the Red-Eyes Darkness OTK! Equip REDD with Conjoined Bird Renrin. Then Normal Summon Debris Dragon, and summon a Level 3 Dragon from the Graveyard with its effect. Use them to Synchro Summon Black Rose Dragon, and use its Nuke effect. Renrin will be destroyed instead of REDD, so every card on the field will be destroyed except for REDD. Then attack directly with it for an OTK.RedEyesBurn69 (talk • contribs) 13:07, June 7, 2017 (UTC)
- Dude, you can't perform that in one turn, at least not easily. You need to, somehow, have a "Red-Eyes B. Dragon" in order to Summon "Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon"; Special Summon "Conjoined Bird Renrin" to equip it; Normal Summon "Debris Dragon" while you have a Level 3 Dragon in the Grave (this is easy, yes). Providing the amount of steps you have here and the amount of negation there is out there... Even without accounting for that, you still need to have all of that set-up or the exact cards to allow all those Summons... Not viable. At least enough to list it on a tips page. Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:18, June 7, 2017 (UTC)
Uploading card images
Huh, I'm pretty sure I did tag the jpg versions of images for deletion after uploading the png versions. I'm also pretty sure that I entered the template into the summary box which you were referring to, as seen [here]. Maybe, I'm confusing something you said, but everything seems in order to me, as far as I'm aware. (06:48, June 8, 2017 (UTC))
- Well, given that I used to put in the licensing in the past when uploading card images, I guess it became force of habit. I'll keep it in mind for next time, thanks. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 02:39, June 9, 2017 (UTC))
My YCM card template
So it won't work they way I made it do, huh? Too bad.
Yes, I noticed YCM misses a lot of vital stuff, that's why I had to make everything manually (and also because my coding abilities are still moderate), and since I'm not an admin there, I'm no sure how far I can go playing around with the fuctions of the wiki. Do I need to be one to install those? --XBrain130™「
I did it! I figured out a legal version of my Red-Eyes Darkness OTK! While you already control Meteor Black Comet Dragon, Black Metal Dragon(Unless you already have Darkness in your hand, which contains 7 cards, including Darkness) and a face-up Forced Requisition, activate Final Destiny, destroying every card on the field, and ridding your opponent's hand of 5 cards, possibly leaving them handless.
Use MBCD to summon Red-Eyes Black Dragon from your Graveyard. If Black Metal Dragon was also sent, use its effect to add REDD to your hand. Special Summon Darkness, and then attack your opponent directly for an OTK.
And yes, I am aware of how situational this appears to be. That is why the Deck revolves around Deck Thinning, through dumping Dragons to the Graveyard, and rapidly drawing cards. Because of the hand size part of the OTK, I plan on adding Infinite Cards to the Deck, in case BMD is not needed. And Yamata Dragon will serve as a bit of a Draw Engine, as I will use its effect to constantly fill my hand. Precious Cards from Beyond and Return of the Red-Eyes can create a small controlled Loop in which I repeatedly summon Normal Dragons from the Graveyard, and use them to Tribute Summon Yamata Dragon, drawing two cards in the process. And the Deck WILL have Spiritual Energy Settle Machine in it; That loop is just until I can get it. —This unsigned comment was made by RedEyesBurn69 (talk • contribs) 14:56, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
- Good, mate. But this is not about how situational it appears to be. This is situational. This seems too theoretical. If you can pull this off, great. But consistently? Enough to list this as a tip or an OTK? You need to contain 7 cards in your hand, while you already control stuff, specific cards in your hand, one of which is the unsearchable "Force Requisition" and "Final Destiny", setup in the Grave (though this is easy). You probably won't even make use of "Infinite Cards", in the sense you'll rarely have more than 6 cards in your hand during the End Phase and still make it. "Yamata" is cool, yes, but not as searchable. And you still need to assure the fodder for it and waste your Normal Summon on it (though I guess you don't need it that much in "Red-Eyes"). And relying on even more Continuous Spells/Traps that do not float/have embedded protection... I mean, it's a cool combo, but... You're not making me buying it yet.
- Also please don't forget to sign your name. Thank you. Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:09, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
Trap Card Usage
I'm perfectly aware of how Trap Cards work thank you. There's nothing in the rules that mention what you've said. If this is how they work, why do some actually specify it like Ultimate Offering? That'd be redundant. --MasterMarik (talk • contribs) 23:06, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
- No you're not, or else we wouldn't be discussing this.
- Trap Cards are Spell Speed 2 or higher. They can be activated (and their effects) during either player's turn. Some need to trigger at specific timings. If they don't require a specific timing, then you're good to go, during either player's turn, like other Spell Speed 2 cards. Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:11, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
- Ah, forgot to reply to your other question. "Ultimate Offering" says that so you can only use it during the opponent's Battle Phase. That means you can't use it during your opponent's Draw/Standby/Main/End Phases. Just like you can only use it during your own Main Phases and not at other timings. Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:32, June 13, 2017 (UTC)
Search category names
Yes, I could rename the categories in question, but I'll probably have to ask you to use your bot to change the cards I tagged with the category names to the new names should the categories be moved. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 14:11, June 14, 2017 (UTC))
- Well, I could rename the categories and then manually change the category tags on the individual articles, but if you could use your bot, that would be appreciated. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 05:37, June 15, 2017 (UTC))
- Thanks for doing the moves for the categories, I've been terribly busy recently and that curtailed the time I had to edit the wiki of late. Anyway, I did want to mention that a duplicate category exists as Places from Deck to top of Deck. I did intend to mention it earlier, but it kind of slipped my mind, with my workload in real life and all that. What do we do with this category? Would it be deleted, or is there any other use for it? (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 22:55, June 29, 2017 (UTC))
- Oh, I've already changed the cards that are tagged with that duplicate category to the new one a while ago, I believe it was when I created the new category, in fact. So, I suppose you could delete it now, if you're free? If not, I'll tag it for deletion. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 23:00, June 29, 2017 (UTC))
I'd just like to reiterate that I'm trying not to do anything situational. About Cyber Jar...actually, I HAVE done that tip before. I ended up excavating "The Shallow Grave" with its effect multiple times, or drawing it with other cards' effects, and using it to bring back "Cyber Jar" 2 or 3 times, usually over the span of 2 or 3 turns. When that happened, I'd use a Virus(Sometimes Viruses) to wipe out a good portion of their cards. I didn't think this was situational or overcomplicated because this actually happened to ME.RedEyesBurn69 (talk • contribs) 20:31, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
- "over the span of 2 or 3 turns", too much time. A tip relying on you being able to sit there waiting... No, just no. Try to be more concise, with stuff that works more quickly and more often than 2 or 3 times. Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 22:48, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
Set Card List Issue
Seems like we have a problem with the new list system and lets like the Legendary Deck series. Not sure if the header function we use for galleries is going to cut it. PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 17:33, June 15, 2017 (UTC)
Re: Pointing Flip
I did it because of this list, to show which monsters have Flip effects, and only edited those monsters. "Needle Worm" was already like that, so I just put in the same way. --Missign0 (talk • contribs) 04:38, June 18, 2017 (UTC)