Talk: Yu-Gi-Oh! The Dark Side of Dimensions

This is the talk page for discussing the page, Yu-Gi-Oh! The Dark Side of Dimensions.
This page is for discussion about the article, not general talk about its subject. See the Forums for general discussion. Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.	Please try to Be polite Assume good faith Be welcoming

Anime/manga

I know that the Org said that the movie will take place after the events of the manga. But Jerrboy31 kept re-adding on how it may also take place after the anime too. Here's the source he had: http://www.yugioh.com/news/sdcc-2015-panel What should we do about this? ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 09:34, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

I don't buy that source. "Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters" is not what the anime is called in the West. Its just called "Yu-Gi-Oh!". The manga was indeed called "Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters" in the West for parts of its run though. If anything, that source only strengthens the film's connection to the manga. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:20, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Are you serious? Yu-Gi-oh series with yugi in it in America is called Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters or Yu-Gi-Oh! for short. And that's info from the official Yugioh website, you're gonna deny the official website of the franchise? and even shows that at SDCC that Kazuki revealed more about the film and that it takes place a year after Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters, fans here when you ask what series is Yugioh Duel Monsters, something like that, they would possibly/likely answer oh you mean the one with yugi in it, the one before GX. something like that. I live in the US, people have referred to Yugioh as DM or Duel Monsters, as in Yugioh! Duel Monsters.Jerrboy31 (talk • contribs) 20:30, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Of course fans know its called Duel Monsters. But it was never, ever, officially referred to as such in the West. It was always just "Yu-Gi-Oh!". While the manga was called "Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters" (or rather the middle section of it was). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:35, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Well again if you ask fans here in US I think since others have referred to it as is, which series is Yugioh Duel Monsters, they'll either say what I said or something like it or say first generation. Jerrboy31 (talk • contribs) 20:46, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

And again, I am aware of it. But officially, it never has been. Why would they start doing so now? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:59, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Well clearly they recognize it, they talk about it in the link about the news from the official site about news on SDCC, fans call it that. and there's this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_Duel_Monsters Jerrboy31 (talk • contribs) 21:10, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

"The film's story is set 6 months after the original manga. However Yugioh.com has stated the film takes place a year after the conclusion to Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters This is also hinted in the English teaser trailer as well." It's been clearly confirmed that the movie is based on the /manga/. Not in the anime. With "Duel Monsters" they just meant to say it was the original series; not GX, not 5D's, not ZEXAL - the first one, with Yugi as the protagonist. Why is it so hard to understand? If it was /confirmed/ that it's based on the manga, then it's based on the manga. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:37, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yes it is confirmed by official website, and I quote "During the panel Mr. Takahashi revealed more about the film’s story. The film takes place a year after the conclusion to Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters." And Yugioh first genereation anime is known by Yugioh Duel Monsters or yugioh for short. From the official website: http://www.yugioh.com/news/sdcc-2015-panel from another info source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_Duel_Monsters Those are the proof, also other fans call it by DM here, apparently even Kazuki calls the anime here by DM it seems or something like that. Even apparently Japan calls the first generation Yugioh! Duel Monsters as well. So seems to me in Japan the film takes place 6 months after the manga, but in English it takes place a year after the anime DM. It's Yugioh Duel Monsters but for short just Yugioh. Jerrboy31 (talk • contribs) 21:45, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that "Duel Monsters" is ambiguous - it can refer to either the manga or the anime - and the SDCC statement is just as ambiguous. There is absolutely no mention in the statement of the anime or of the manga, just of Duel Monsters. So we can't use that statement to draw any conclusions at all as to which it actually is; any such conclusions are just speculation, no matter how sure of them you are. So that leaves us with using other official sources, and as Asari already said, the other official sources currently available unambiguously point to the manga as being the media the film follows from, not the anime. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:04, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

I see what you're saying but I'm sorry it makes no sense for them to say Yugioh Duel Monsters in English and expect fans to think it's the manga when lot of us are use to referencing Yugioh the anime as Yugioh Duel Monsters which here it's known by. also that's from the official site, you cant like it's hear say. It's from the official website, it's likely they took down what actually happened there and the creator revealed more detail about the film and apparently one of the was it takes place after a year of Yugioh duel monsters (anime). also it would make no sense for them to say yugioh duel monsters and mean the managa and expect us who mostly known the anime as that to think it's the manga. If it was the manga they would've said 6 months or so or say the manga, no they said a year later from the conclusion of Yugioh Duel Monsters (as in the anime) the English teaser even supports that it takes place after the series hand ended when Yami left and the Millennium Items were lost. Jerrboy31 (talk • contribs) 02:29, July 20, 2015 (UTC)Jerrboy31 (talk • contribs) 01:32, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, about the only thing that is clear is that we don't know if it takes place in just one or in both continiuties. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 02:35, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

From the info I thought maybe both, pending on what country. Like Japan, manga. US/other certain countries Anime. Jerrboy31 (talk • contribs) 03:26, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to say it the most clear way possible. Let's comapre the odds that this movie is based on the manga and on the anime. Manga: clearly and officially comfirmed through more than one source in more than one instance, includding through official teasers and by Kaz himself. Anime: baseless speculation built upon a self-assumption of yours. Now, tell me again why we should assume that the movie is based on the anime. Again, you say that it doesn't make sense for them to say "Duel Monsters", but for the last time, it does: they are explaining that it's based on the FIRST series; they aren't saying that it's based on the DM anime rather than the DM manga, they are saying that it's not GX, 5D's, ZEXAL or ARC-V - it's the FIRST series, known as Duel Monsters. This is my last reply, I honestly can't be any clearer than this. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 13:57, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

I've explain already, the answers are there I think, and I'm going by what the official website says and what makes sense.

Jerrboy31 (talk • contribs) 20:24, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Again it makes no sense for them to say "Yugioh Duel Monsters" and expect fans here to think of the manga when mostly know (it seems) the anime and refer the anime as that. If they meant the manga then they would've said so. Jerrboy31 (talk • contribs) 21:26, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Them referring to it as DM is just going "the original series", because they have 5 of them now. The official sources outright say "Manga", not the anime, so thats what is put. You speculating that it is different in the East and West is nonsensical, and makes less sense than your assertion that they don't think people would think of a manga that was actually named "DM" at points, unlike the anime in any official capacity. PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 21:43, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'm going what we call it here, Yugioh Duel Monsters (anime) and in Japan it's called Yugioh Duel Monsters (anime) and I'm going by what the OFFICIAL SITE says and what the CREATOR OF YUGIOH APPARENTLY REVEALED, Mr. Kazuki. That's not speculating, that's going by the FACTS. 06:48, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

06:47, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Except that we have given reasons as why that's the not the case. The site does NOT say the anime. It simply does not mention whether it means anime or manga. You stand alone here, against consensus. Do not re-add it again or you will be blocked from editing. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:50, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

They wrote what they ment, Yugioh Duel Monsters, they mean the anime, not manga or else they would have said so and if you block me for trying to tell others the facts and official info is messed up, fans have a right to know that in English it's the anime, not the manga. That's like taking away my freedom of speech. Instead you're gonna give a lie to people. That's low and messed up. Jerrboy31 (talk • contribs) 07:12, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

uhhh, no actually Yugioh Duel monsters can refer to the manga too

Also funny thing about freedom of speech, it only protects you from the government, Admins on a wiki are well within their right to block you.

Dread (talk • contribs) 07:15, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'm more interested in the 6 months vs 1 year part. Would it be worthwhile to note that the dub is set "1 year after Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters" (purposely avoiding specifying what "Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters" is), even potentially just quoting the yugioh.com SDCC article? --SnorlaxMonster 08:16, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'm more interested in how half the time this happens, people still insist they are correct when....what 5 different, vetern users and Admins, are reverting their work and telling them to stop.

You'd think that would raise an alarm or 2.

Though I think this is the first time I have seen someone try using "Freedom of speech" to justify not being banned for a wiki edit. If that was a valid defense I wouldn't be blocked on the Org right now.

Anyway, I think its safe to assume "Duel Monsters" refers to the original series in general at this point and since only 1 source makes any specification on which continuity, its likely the Manga, though given the same general events happened in both versions, it could easily be based on either/both so long as none of the contradictions show up.

Honestly, I don't think its going to end up making THAT much of a difference, for all we know it could end up following its own.

Wonder how someone screwed up the timeline there though, 1 Year vs 6 Months isn't exactly something they mix up.

Dread (talk • contribs) 09:29, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

For God's love this guy must be a troll. There's no other explanation.

Regarding the 1 year vs 6 months thing, I might be wrong, but wasn't the "1 year" version only pop up once, while "6 months" was said more often? I think we should go with "6 months" for now, though if we can't be sure, we could just say "it takes place after the end of the manga" for now. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:47, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, we will find out which it is sooner or later.

Dread (talk • contribs) 22:09, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

What's the difference? Unlike the others animes, Duel Monsters is virtually a direct adaptation of the manga with a few different points. Unless the events of this movie can only occur essentially by something exclusive to the manga (Like Pegasus's death) then there is no problem assuming the movies are a continuation to both. VinixTKOC (talk • contribs) 22:11, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

Actually the Anime Diverges from the manga on MANY Points, just to name a few

Anime!Pegasus lives and shows up later.

almost The entirety of "Season 0" got compressed into a few episodes of Duelist Kingdom

Some duels go very differently, especially at the end

Kaiba got shoehorned into things for his Popularity (Manga!Kaiba left the story after Battle city, Anime shoved him into the Millennium World.)

The Millennium World Anime was rushed and had some MAJOR Differences. Bobasa for example.

and thats just off the top of my head

Given Kaiba's focus, its probably gonna be that one, Probably gonna be related to that one and him never beating Atem.

Besides, its a moot point, it was explicitly Stated by Word of God that it was a continuation of the manga, which has a different continuity from the Anime.

Hands tied, we can't assume it is what it was explicitly stated it was not, even if the discrepancies of the 2 versions don't come up.

Dread (talk • contribs) 23:26, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

In a way or another, the anime is an adaptation of the mangá. There are different points but it's route is the same as the mangá. And he would continue to adapt any other manga arc after Egypt arc, if it existed. In this case, i think it's logical that the events of the movie also happen in the anime. But this will not happen in mangá, it is already an animation, so there is no reason for adaptation, it would not make sense.
What would you want them to do? An anime version with episodes like Dragon Ball Super did with both movies (Serving for the canon of BOTH media) just to say "Hey, these movies really DO make part of the canon of the animation"? I don't think it would work, nor it would make sense.VinixTKOC (talk • contribs) 02:09, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Fraid that is not how Continuity works. Same overall plot does not make it the same work or same verse (Look at the Tenchi Muyo Franchise for plenty of examples on that). Manga!Verse is Manga!verse, Anime!Verse is Anime!verse. things happening in 1 adaptation is not going to automatically be true for the others. The Manga is the source work, and this movie is a continuation of its story. The anime is just an adaptation, one that already had its continuation in the form of GX and 5D's

Wait til after the movie is out to start making arguments about canon, if the movie even makes a passing mention of Pegasus being dead its instantly out of Anime!canon

til then, Anime =/= Manga, they are Seperate. This work is in Manga continuity, unless Konami, whoever is in charge of production, Takahashi or the work itself states otherwise, it isn't in the Anime canon. End of story.

Dread (talk • contribs) 02:24, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

New Trailer

There it is, there's anime scenes on the new trailer, i think that's proof enough that it's a sequel to both the manga and the anime. VinixTKOC (talk • contribs) 02:14, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

And here we go again...

for starters, where is this new trailer you speak of.

Dread (talk • contribs) 02:20, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Were you referring to this by any chance? http://www.cloudy.ec/v/a291282a74004 if so then damn am I glad what you think means exactly nothing because that proved exactly nothing. nothing but new Footage.

Now if you want to continue demonstrating you haven't any understanding of continuity or the definition of "Speculation", please keep this up. Til then I will make this as clear as it can possibly be. It has explicitly stated that it is following the events of the manga, by irrefutable sources. That is Fact. The Manga Canon is different from the Anime Canon. That is Fact. It is your Speculation, with no proof whatsoever, against said sources, you lose. Nothing short of a Proclamation from God himself will ever change the fact that this is NOT following the events of the Anime.

If that's still too hard to understand....well you have my pity.

Dread (talk • contribs) 03:13, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wshKFmiaYtQ

ok you were probably referring to this one, and Kaiba is there are Atems departure...interesting but it still proves nothing

Dread (talk • contribs) 03:35, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Kazuki Takahashi was quoted on the back of the poster from the San Diego Comic-Con as specifically saying the film followed the events of the original manga. A rough transcription of the SDCC panel interview says more specifically, it takes place "6 months after the original manga ended." The new trailer hints that it may be a mash-up of both the anime and manga, but only because of the re-used anime footage. We don't know if the scene was only used as convenient "set-up footage." We're not going to take a leap of faith, we're going to stick with what we know for now. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 05:33, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Awww, that was what I was gonna say if/when he responded

More seriously, there is also the small possibility of a retcon, but yeah its most likely because there is obviously no footage of the manga version of events.

Dread (talk • contribs) 05:54, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Featured cards

So...should we be linking to the anime card pages or the manga card pages? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:04, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

So Medium VS Continuity?

...good question, I'd say Continuity, but it would probably end up on its own page if we did that, so my votes for Anime Pages

Could wait and see which would "Fit" better once the movie is out too.

Dread (talk • contribs) 01:10, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

New Trailer out

Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAszeNUTGJs

Hope none of you complain about where it is now. :P Psukeo (Talkity talk talk) 18:59, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

New scenes

I just found this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zcIG0I_urI

At 0:49 , it shows Kaiba is summoning a monster that is called "Krystal Dragon" , LV6 , Light Attribute . His other cards includes Lord of D. and new cards .

Later , yugi is summoning ( ANOTHER ) new Gaia monster which doesnt have a mount . Daywithoutgames (talk • contribs) 18:53, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Is the movie able to be watched online or is it only in theaters in Japan for now? YugoTheClearWindRider (talk • contribs) 02:44, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

References

What's the point of having the same reference over and over and over again? They all relate to the very same article, no? Energy X ∞ 17:18, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. I've moved the plot summary reference to one spot. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:26, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Dude, Where's The Dueling?

Hi! I'm YRPOtaku169! 16:27, June 16, 2016 (UTC)
Where are the details for the duels that occur during this movie?
I want to see how the various cards were used.