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Supporting

Hey this character is the true antagonist, so he should be in supporting character section, none minor like Quattro, tres, Cinco, and Vertrix okay. It make a little more sense as he is responsible for all the events that happened in Zexal, please, it would make more sense(Jacob (talkcontribs) 22:35, September 4, 2012 (UTC))

Vector

Apparently this character's real name is Vector or however you'd transcribe ベクター. It's mentioned once or twice by Gilag and the rest of the Barian inhabitants as to "Vector"s plans being incredibly slow. The only one that can be assumed then is this fellow. NeoArkadia (talkcontribs) 14:01, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

To expand on that (based entirely on a conversation I had with Ark on Yahoo), when Barian introduces himself, what he says could mean "My name is Barian" or "I am a Barian". Given Gilag and the rest being characters that exist, the latter meaning seems much more likely now. So yeah, any objections to changing this, then? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 15:11, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Dead?

Is Vector Dead Like Been Destroyed After The Duel He Disappeared
In ZEXAL II The Beings Mention Him He Did,nt Appear Again Later at any Episodes
In Future Episodes Alit Dueled Yuma And His True Barain Form And Will Lost Gliag Will Get His Revenge For Alit The Barains cant Stand The Earth's Pressure in Their Forms
And Are Destroyed Vector Has,nt Made Any Returns Yet...? (ZombieLionel (talkcontribs) 22:42, December 4, 2012 (UTC))

Like Sayer, he may return in the future episode if he found a way to get around the strange world. But for now, we don't know if he is actually gone for good. --iFredCat 22:46, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Heading this off now

Yes, there is a new V-Jump scan that seems to indicate that Rei is Vector. No, we are not merging the articles yes. Yes, we will merge the articles when it is 100% confirmed. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 15:15, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Was confirmed today that Vector is Rei, and that the Vector they've seen up until now was just a puppet. TheScarecrow14 (talkcontribs) 14:04, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Vector and Alit

It possible that Vector was the one who attacked Alit as he looks similar to Rei Shingetsu. Jekogan

Unknown Chaos Number 66?

Will There Be An Chaos Number 66:???? Since He Possess An Rank Up Magic Barians Force is it Possible He Can Perform An Task of An Chaos Number 66 (107Number (talkcontribs) 04:57, March 7, 2013 (UTC))

No He Possess 66 No More An Chaos Will Be 104 Because It Has Already Revealed An His Number. MadRest 14:10, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Rei is Vector

It's official now, Rei is Vector and the two articles should be merged: http://wendymoto.tumblr.com/post/46149372869/3-minutes-and-14-seconds-of-this-awesome-scene there's a video here that is proof. 188.255.164.186 (talk) 14:42, March 24, 2013 (UTC) 188.255.164.186 (talk) 14:44, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that's necessary. We didn't merge Aporia's embodiments with Aporia and Supreme King with Jaden. --The Goblin 15:13, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
I agreed with you, Goblin, Rei and Vector are separate being and Rei don't show any affection, unlike Dark Glass with his human figure. --iFredCat 15:22, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

But Rei is just the human form of Vector, i can't see that they are seperate beings in any way. Vector masqueraded as a human and chose a different name. Why didn't we then put Alit's human form and Alit's Barian form in two seperate pages??? As for Aporia's embodiments, they are Aporia's seperate three parts when Aporia is split so they should have their own pages, and the Supreme King was Jaden's past self, just like Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl have Mahad and Mana respectively, and they all have seperate pages. 188.255.164.186 (talk) 16:36, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm for merging them. Vector outright stated that he was Rei all along and was faking everything he did to get close to Yuma so that he'd trust him enough to use the "V" archetype. Also as for Aporia's embodiments, they had a much longer amount of screen time and were three separate entities that were based off of Aporia's despair. TheScarecrow14 (talkcontribs) 16:56, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, did Vector mentioned that he created Rei in the plan he told to other Barian in Barian World? That's one solid evidence I have - therefore he's NOT Rei, and I am still saying that we should goddamn waiting for the full information. --iFredCat 17:17, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Don't speak down to me, i'm not an idiot. Like I said, Vector stated that he was Rei from the beginning and he went through Bariarphose whilst as Rei... What other proof do you need? He even used Rei's voice to mock Yuma several times throughout the episode and stated that his plan was to give Yuma the "V" cards so he could use "Vain - Sneer of Betrayal" to destroy his Deck. Seriously, it's like I have to repeat myself. I've provided a much larger amount of proof alluding to the fact that Rei is Vector than you have to him not being him. TheScarecrow14 (talkcontribs) 17:43, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
If he said that/did those things, we document it in the article (can't comment on the rest because I haven't seen the episode yet). Shardsilver (talkcontribs) 19:11, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, but what I saw in the vid was Rei directly turning into Vector and Vector saying he was Shingetsu all along, but waiting for the full info would be best. All we can do now is just speculate. And I also did hear the word bunshin which means double or clone, so either way we'll see. 188.255.164.186 (talk) 17:30, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

I am sure that he's mocking Yuma to believe that he was Rei, I still don't think so. --iFredCat 17:35, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

He flat-out says that he's rei( after changing from human to barian) and that he's been fooling Yuma the whole time(he even as memories of the conversations they had), so we have every reason to go off this info and put that the two are the same person and no reason to believe that them being the same person is mere speculations. I do think the pages should be merged because this isnt a past life or a different persona it's the same person just out of disguise(like Batman and Bruce wayne), and also since Rei is a villain should his status as a main character be change on the sites front page, and the 6th place given to someone else.72.216.8.65 (talk) 19:29, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

It's more likely that they're brothers or clones of each other. First of all, Rei was brainwashed by a Barian once; I doubt Vector would be susceptible to that. Also, during his previous Duel with Yuma, Vector kind of growled at Rei with "Kisama..."; there would be no reason for him to be so frustrated if he were just a clone/illusion. Also, Rei has shown a deep connection with Yuma; the writers will never write that off as just pretend. Hell, he wouldn't even have protected Yuma against Gilag, unless he wants to be the only one to defeat him or something. But, yeah, they shouldn't be merged as of now. My guess is that they're something similar to clones, and the initial plan was for him to use his clone to get close to Yuma, but the clone Rei will develop his own feelings and join up with the gang, or some other sappy, predictable bs. MadRest 19:33, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
that's all speculation, and everything vector did was to keep up the illusion that he and Rei were different people and that "deep connection" was all a part of his plan. any talk of "clones" is nothing more than random speculation at the moment, now maybe we should hold off on the merging until later, but all pages should definably be edited to show that the 2 are on in the same.72.216.8.65 (talk) 19:43, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Speculation or not, that's an evidence - that's why I am against the idea of put it up on the article now. So please wait until that source revealing that he would be Vector or not. That's the reason why I believed them as the separate being. --iFredCat 19:51, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, it will be put on the article; we're not going to ignore what he said. Although we're not merging them since there is a high possibility otherwise, all information regarding them being the same person will be put up. MadRest 20:03, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
i dont really see how random baseless speculation makes it a possibility but whatever. If we are going to wait then it should be till no further than the end of their duel and then we decide to merge them if no substantial facts are given to support that they are two people.72.216.8.65 (talk) 20:09, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, it's going to be longer than that. Since the possibility is very high, if they don't somehow resolve this until the end of the arc (some time in May), it's going to be kept unmerged. MadRest 20:15, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Well then,I can wait 83 years for this update.No need to rush.I hope you can make your mind about this until this anime ends,or,if not possible,at least 1 year after the anime's end.Also,be sure to lock Vector and Shingetsu's pages...until you decide if you are going to merge,or not.Or else,someone more "objective" might do the upgrade himself.Man,watch the anime.All speculation are futile and wrong if they are not based on known and revealed facts in the anime.Since argumentation is useless,and I can't paint,I am leaving.Well then,good sirs,I wish you all a nice and fun year.Oh,there is much the anime has to reveal.If you keep it like this,it is going to be trouble.186.205.212.116 (talk) 22:19, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

I am not saying that you're wrong - it's your opinion and that's all. I only wish to protecting the article from edit-warring, that's all. Thank you for back out now, IP-Addressed User, and you can wait patience until we all get the source to prove this theory. --iFredCat 22:22, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Well,I am just a natural joker.Don't mind my language.But..it is your attitude that is going turn this into a edit war,lol.Just you watch it.With that attitude,even if it is right next to your face,you can't see the facts.Open your mind.186.205.212.116 (talk) 22:28, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, the character himself stated they are the same. So yes, we should merge the articles, eventually. I would suggest we wait until we have a full dialogue script to work from. Rei being a clone is baseless speculation - perfectly valid before this episode aired, but not anymore.
Rei has pretended the entire time. There is no reason he could have not also simply pretended to be brainwashed by Gilag. Also, the Barians are clearly not a united front. Gilag didn't know who Rei was and the other Barians thought Vector was dead. Vector probably just wants his revenge, so he interfered with Gilag's Duel so he could beat Yuma himself. Also, Vector growling at Rei. Just part of the act. Vector is psychopathic mastermind. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:50, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

I think that thoughts as to Rei and Vector are just wishful thinking personally; there's too much evidence given that they are the same, such that any theory trying to make the two out to be separate would seem like crack, not to mention being a severe stretch and overtaxation on creative thinking ability. HOWEVER, I agree with anybody who says that we postpone merging the two for a short while. We need a little bit more info on the supposed Vector we have been seeing all this time is my view; just WHAT was it that Yuma fought two episodes ago? Which one was the fake and when? It might seem obvious but the fact is (supposedly) they were both the same guy. Yet they appeared simultaneously; for all we know two episodes ago Vector was the real one and Rei was the fake, since Rei showed up for a much shorter time. I doubt that the "Vector" of two episodes ago was just a hologram, either, or a dumb unintelligent clone. It was too "Vector" to be just any ordinary fake. We don't know enough. We need more info as to the exact mechanism behind this, especially since "Vector" disappeared. Until the episode is subbed, I think we should leave them separate. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 00:31, March 25, 2013 (UTC)


Transcript

Ok, NeoArkadia has translated the scene where Vector reveals himself. It explains everything.

Yuma: You're alive!?
Yuma: You're alive, Shingetsu!?
Rei: Kukuku... kukuku...
Rei: Kukuku... Just kiiiiddddiiiiiing
Rei: It's quite funny watching you suffer.
Yuma: What are you saying...?
Rei: Really, you're a fascinating guy.
Rei: Perhaps I should do you a favor and show you something? It'll be tons more interesting!
Rei: The Real me... Kukuku...
Rei: Nuaaaawwww!
Rei: Varialforze!
Rei: Aaaaaa! Yuma!!
Yuma: Where is the real Shingetsu!?
Yuma: The Real him? Who's that?
Vector: I'm Vector. I'm Shingetsu, you slow witted moron.
Vector: You still don't get it, do you? The one who dueled you the other day, the one who dueled you up until a few moments ago? That was just a copy!
Vector: The Real Me became your friend, Shingetsu Rei. Jyanjyajyan~~! Now you know the horrible truth!

So, the Rei we've known for most of ZXII was Vector in human form. Vector was still Rei during his Duel against himself and his last Duel against Yuma, during which "Vector" was a copy. So they are the same person. Period.
I'll work on a merged version in my sandbox. They really should be merged, I think. Rei was Vector. Rei was not a copy of Vector or a construct. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 12:42, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Does the copy get a page? --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 14:28, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
That is a very good question and not one I have an answer to. Oh, this also neatly explains how Vector maintaind his Barian form on Earth - he didn't, it was copy/illusion. He was still Rei/human at that point (now they just need to explain the energy form). Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 14:49, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed there must be a good reason for Vector to appear at first as a red demon. Not to mention that form was still used when he showed up to Umimi. DracoX (talkcontribs) 17:21, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've finished the merger. It can be seen here. Any objections or issues anyone sees before we move it to the mainspace and redirect Rei to Vector (may need to look into doing a history merge too). Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 19:39, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Looks good to me. And history merging should be done. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 19:46, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Whatever you think, I am still believe that Rei is separate being and I am sure he will restraining Vector back and allow Yuma to escape while Vector went down in the destruction, similar to the situation of Yusei and Dark Glass in 5D's when Yusei won the duel. All those comment Vector made was "mocking" Yuma, and that's that. --iFredCat 12:32, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
To all those who say that Vector outright stated that he was Rei...how can we use Vector as a reliable source? Especially given his apparent insanity? He could be, after all, doing some sort of cruel manipulation with Rei's body (or some sort of clone with it) just to toy with Yuma's mind and make him suffer.98.193.123.23 (talk) 17:07, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
Sure he could. But there's no evidence to suggest that's what he did. We had to assume that Rei told the truth about being Barian's Guardian until the show revealed that wasn't the case. Same deal here. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:38, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
In that sense, then there's no (reliable) evidence that Vector is indeed Rei, because our only source is Vector.98.193.123.23 (talk) 19:08, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
In that sense, there's no reliable source for anything, because any character could potentially be lying. We have to go with what the show has given us. If it does turn out that Vector lied, we will act accordingly and unsplit the articles. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:07, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Vectors and Rays

In Japanese Ray is pronounced Rei. It sounds logical so should we add it to the Etymology. --FruityMan99 (talkcontribs) 19:37, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Shingetsu value

As I recall, Shingetsu translated means zero. Could this be a reference Vector (as Rei) did not have any Number monsters (or Xyz)? Energy X 21:48, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

No, 'Rei' translates to 'zero'. It absolutely doesn't have any meaning. 31.11.101.253 (talk) 22:24, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
Also, Vector used to have a Number - Number 66: Master Key Beetle before he took Rei in. So that would not be true - but again, Rei showed to have Rank-Up Magic - Limited Barian's Force as he gave it to Yuma, so again, that would be untrue. --iFredCat 22:40, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Legendary Number: Might as well head this off on this page, VECTOR WAS THE CRUEL EXECUTING KING IN THE LEGENDARY NUMBER'S RUINS! Anon--68.190.237.251 (talk) 05:00, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Voice?

I'd like to know who provided the voice for Vector in the dub version. I know we don't hear much of it and it is heavily deepened and distorted, but I don't see it being an impossible task to figure it out. RedDrgn (talkcontribs) 04:50, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Vector's legend.

I'm a bit concerned about his legend, that says he "took his life in atonement for his purge". While the legend may say that, I'm not so convinced it happened, as in episode 120 he was incinerated when Abyss Splash blasted his Gorgonic Guardian on his face. So it is a bit tad obvious that Vector got killed there. I say this because it changes him from being "paranoid and then repentant" to outright "psychotic and mad" if you get what I mean. Just pointing this up to ask how to handle this --BGMaxie (talkcontribs) 00:15, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Or he simply didn't die from his duel with Nasch.. I doubt they'd retcon such a thing as Vector's original death when it hasn't been long since they revealed it.--RexGodwin (talkcontribs) 00:21, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Or simply means the legend and the truth are two different things. That's why I ask how to handle this, cuz it leaves a room for some confusion. --BGMaxie (talkcontribs) 02:25, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

I'd leave it how it was, for all we know he could have died on two separate occasions, (and probably died as a barian between them in that case), although i am quite open... Perhaps it would be better if it were worded that "The Legend said" so that way it is correct regardless? --slave(command) 02:57, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

That seems fair to me. --BGMaxie (talkcontribs) 03:56, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Another possibility, given that we know Don Thousand has interfered with the "creation" of the Seven Emperors, is that Thousand saved Vector and returned him to his homeland, or alternatively, that Vector survived himself, and was convinced to commit suicide by Thousand. Given the captions for episode 136, we'll likely find out then. And don't forget, they were playing a Shadow Game. It's likely that the apparent disintigration was Vector's Penalty Game. Sanokal K-T (talkcontribs) 20:35, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Whatever the case is, leave it until the first-hand account of what really happened comes out: When we see Vector or Don Thousnad's version of events. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 20:44, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Vector: Dead or Absorbed?

According to the recent episode, Vector saved Yuma by sacrificing himself against Don Thousand. I'm a little confused here. Is there a chance Vector is still alive, being absorbed by Don Thousand like he did to Mizar? Or is Vector now dead like Kite? --ReshiramArc1255 (talkcontribs) 22:47, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Absorbed, Don Thousand sucks him into the eye in his chest, and Thousand's Barian Emblem is shown glowing with the colours of all the Emperors save the un-absorbed Nasch after he absorbs Mizar. Sanokal K-T (talkcontribs) 23:24, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
This is YGO Zexal we're talking about... no one is really dead... After the defeat of DT by the hands of Yuma, everyone will come back to Earth.

Yano88 (talkcontribs) 00:43, January 27, 2014 (UTC)


Name of Vector's kingdom

The English dub actually named the kingdom Vector ruled, although I couldn't discern how it was spelled. Started with an A, I think. Sounded something like "Australia". Neutralino (talkcontribs) 06:06, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

resemblances to other characters

When you zoom in on this guy's face he sure reminds me of w:c:NinjaGaiden:Ashtar. Are there other characters with the signature faceplate and noseguard and spiky tear droplets besides the eyes? talk2ty 13:48, April 3, 2019 (UTC)

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