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Honestly, considering we now know the basis of Rev and he won't be dueling for at least another 3 or 4 episodes at the VERY LEAST, I think the page should be unlocked. TopologicDragon (talkcontribs) 18:47, May 29, 2017 (UTC)

Why lock the character page when there are other important pages that needs protection? Vortexdome (talkcontribs) 11:45, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

Uh? Can we not point out the fact that his earrings are obviously shaped like bullets? TopologicDragon (talkcontribs) 18:59, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

Etymology

Maybe his name alludes to DNS resolver? Energy X 12:24, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

Name changing

Now that we know his true name the page name should get an update, ne? Tier Harribel-san (talkcontribs) 18:35, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

Spelling

Now, how is Varu is read as Vari?--Hyoroemon (talkcontribs) 15:01, March 13, 2018 (UTC)

Varis' Deck

We should merge Varis's deck like Declan Akaba's and list the cards he don't use anymore into a separate section due how they continued the use same deck throughout their respective series. DragonEmeperor (talkcontribs) 03:44, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

Instead, I think we should separate his Speed Duel deck with Master Duel Deck. 0123456789 The Great (talkcontribs) 04:23, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

Name changing

in the dub apparently his name is Roken kogami...--MASTER 15:32, March 27, 2019 (UTC)

The y is silent, so it can stay as it is. Energy X 15:54, March 27, 2019 (UTC)

no no is in all sense Roken kogami, he havent an y, see yu gi oh vrains wiki...--MASTER 01:08, March 28, 2019 (UTC)

Duel vs Lightning

Varis's record should be marked as Lose for this duel.

  • He had 0 LP, Lightning had 1 LP. By definition, that's a win for Lightning. Afterwards, Lightning even said he'd do anything "to win."
  • Varis failed in his goal to stop Lightning; Lightning succeeded in his goal to continue his AI Unification program.
  • Lightning's being absorbed by Bohman afterwards doesn't mean it was a draw, just that he was exhausted and wanted to pass the torch instead of immediately dueling Yusaku in his weakened state.
  • Lightning cheated but so do a lot of characters: the Crimson Dragon stacked Yusei and Jack's decks with Majestic Dragon, Yuma in Zexal 98 and Yuya in Arc-V 1 rewrote their cards mid-duel; that's also cheating but their records are marked as Win anyway. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 18:40, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
We have already deemed it as a draw, leave it at that. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 18:51, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
What is your reasoning for it being a draw? EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 19:41, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
That's not quite a good comparison. Lightning held onto Jin's data and converted it as LP, and there was no mention of a Skill that he could do that. This is just one exception where having 1 LP over 0 means a victory. The crucial point is not that he cheated, but merely that the outcome was to result in a DRAW (Bohman stepped in to even the odds). Energy X 18:55, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
You mean that the flaw in my comparison is that there is no game rule allowing him to convert that data? But there was also no game rule allowing the Crimson Dragon's interference or Yuma and Yuya to rewrite their cards. The duel system however, allowed their cheating, as it also did with Lightning (by Lightning's LP counter displaying 1, and deleting Varis while sparing Lightning). You also said the outcome "was to result in a DRAW"... but it's not how it played out in the end. If we apply 'he cheated, so the Win doesn't count' to other duels with cheating, then Yusei/Jack/Yuma/Yuya's duels should be marked No Result or Lose. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 19:41, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
You are simplifying things in here. As I pointed out, the outcome would've made Lightning win if Bohman didn't take Jin's data, which took form of Lightning's 1 LP. That's the main point. Energy X 19:49, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
What do you mean by "simplifying things"? Also, that's not how the Bohman/Jin/Lightning interaction went down - Lightning used Jin and Spectre as a hostage to manipulate Revolver, succeeding in getting Revolver to end his turn, and only then did Bohman attempt to free the hostages. But Bohman failed, because Lightning didn't completely hand over Jin and used a piece to convert into LP. The duel system acknowledged that as valid by showing his LP at 1 and deleting the loser, Varis. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 20:08, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
This is the last time I'll repeat. Lightning aimed to make a DRAW, but used Jin's data to keep 1 LP left, so it makes it look like he won while Varis lost. By absorbing that data and Lightning, Bohman basically made the outcome back to a DRAW. Energy X 21:12, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
You should rewatch the episode, you're wrong about how things went down.
Lightning was never aiming for a draw. He said, "I won't lose" and said he and Varis would "both take damage" from his effect. And after the duel, he said, "I'll do anything to win."
He had the piece of Jin's data the whole time and used it as part of his tactic to win at all costs. He didn't just "look like" he won, the system itself acknowledged his win with the LP display and deleting Varis.
You're also wrong about Bohman's involvement. At the duel's end, he didn't say or imply anything about changing the duel's conclusion. He simply stated what had happened, that Lightning didn't give him all of Jin's data and converted it to LP. He didn't even give an opinion on it. After that, he just said Lightning caused a lot of chaos by deceiving everyone with his wicked ideas (referring to how he had tried to corrupt the Ignis group), then added that he did it so he could live. Him absorbing Lightning had nothing to do with the Varis duel, other than that Lightning was weakened from the duel and dying. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 22:09, April 25, 2019 (UTC)
In VRAINS 100, Ghost Girl comments that "Revolver was defeated." The duel result should be changed back to Lose. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 14:44, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
A DRAW is the result of both players being defeated at the same time. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 14:46, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
Lightning said he wouldn't lose as he was doing the effect damage move, then said, "I'll do anything to win" after using his 1 lp cheat (and no one disputed it). So that should exclude a DRAW. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 15:32, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
Clearly Bohman disputed it. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 15:51, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
Rewatch that part. Bohman didn't dispute the duel result or give an opinion. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 16:54, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
His actions give it away. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 16:55, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
No. The actions were Lightning asked to be absorbed and Bohman agreed. It had nothing to do with the duel result. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 17:07, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
Lightning asked to live. He never stated he wanted to be absorbed. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 17:09, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
No. Here's a link to the scene. Lightning says, "I'll give you everything. Show me mercy." After Bohman agreed, Lightning said, "Bohman, my soul is with you," and reached out to Bohman so he could be absorbed. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 17:19, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
He's pleading because he wants mercy from Bohman since he knows Bohman is many times stronger than him now.
Except he willingly reached to Bohman and touched him so Bohman could absorb him. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 17:27, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
And with it giving back the remaining data that he used from Jin thus giving up his remaining LP to end it in an official DRAW. Pitifulheartles (talkcontribs) 17:49, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
That's conjecture. No one says anything to indicate this. Lightning's LP counter didn't drop to 0 after being absorbed. EarlofDemise (talkcontribs) 18:07, May 1, 2019 (UTC)
I know that this is an old issue, and it's not pleasurable to reinstate. I only get to watch the episodes recently and only realized this was a issue. So let me try to give my input.
I strongly agree with Earl, given all of his arguments. Sure, Lightning did cheat by "keeping a fragment of Jin with himself when ordered to relinquish it" and "converted that last piece to an "Extra Life" and survived with 1 LP", that's the duel itself. The "Lightning gets absorbed by Bohman and is erased" afterwards is purely a drama: Duel is duel; Drama is drama. Don't mix them up. 0123456789 The Great 12:17, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
Take it as a "fight to death duel"; the only rule for that is "who dies first loses". You and the opponent landed a lethal hit on each other simultaneously and will both die, but you secretly cheated and applied some cheat medicine on yourself. You can't simply say "hey that's cheating this is a DRAW", can you? Because rather than saying that you would say "hey that's cheating you are disqualified". That's the logic I pick upon. 0123456789 The Great 12:17, June 18, 2019 (UTC)
Energy X Wrote:
there was no mention of a Skill that he could do that
While I am going to oppose that, it's still not explicitly said its a "skill". The only statement I can make here is "Bohman mentioned something about エクストラライフ (Extra Life)", in the video Earl embedded in one of his above replies.
By absorbing that data and Lightning, Bohman basically made the outcome back to a DRAW
As I've stated in my reply, that part of the episode is "drama". The duel is over the moment Lightning cheated against "Eques Flamma", and is left with 1 LP while the opponent has 0. Lightning has achieved the rule-wise victory condition, even if he had cheated.

0123456789 The Great 14:10, June 18, 2019 (UTC)

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