Talk:The Closed Eight

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Deletion

Shouldn't we delete this, since it hasn't been official/confirmed for 2 months or something, and it will probably never be used --StephenWalker97 (talk • contribs) 20:59, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

No, because it was officially confirmed via NAS itself, it may not have been used in the show but it is official, merely unused. Consider those previews to be ret-conned. IF NAS said they didn't put them up there and it was a hacker that would be a different story but thus far it looks like they have just changed there minds a lot and possibly a very disgruntled employee --slave(command•works) 22:54, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's save to say this can be deleted. This was a just a speculation bit (or something of the like). --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 07:49, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah Im all for deletion too. This card was meant to be used by Kaito against the 7 Barian Emperors but even if the source was official, maybe Konami scrapped the idea to quickly finish Zexal off and start Arc-V. This article has no reason to exist at all. Yano88 (talk • contribs) 08:27, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

What has changed in the two months since this was last discussed. It was officially announced and then scrapped. We do not pretend it never happened. We document it like anything else. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:51, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Useless to me. We should vote whatever this page remains or is taken down. Yano88 (talk • contribs) 16:59, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

How is that useless? He made a valid point. We don't just ignore what's officially announced even if it was scrapped. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 17:06, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Let me be clear: This article (and Alco's) is staying unless someone comes up with an actual reason for its deletion besides "it didn't happen". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:11, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

meh. Each and every week new previews pop up and most of them turn out to be fake. According to previews Zexal was going to be a whole other anime. It was said that Kaito was supposed to use this card but it did not happened. End of the story. Why should we keep it here to occupy space? Why a user should came here and say: "Oh what is this closed eight?" "Nothin' just a card that appeared in a preview that it did turn out to not be the true thing. Dont mind it." This is the "actual reason". This page and article are pointless. Yano88 (talk • contribs) 17:20, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

If that's the case, information about ZEXAL's original premise should be somewhere on this wiki. If it isn't, I'd appreciate a source so that that can be rectified. "Someone is going to ask why this is here" is not a valid reason either. They ask? We answer them and move them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:26, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

Just for curiosity and to make things clear: can you post a link of this famous preview? At least we put it in the trivia section..Yano88 (talk • contribs) 17:29, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

NeoArkadia's first post on this page has the translation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:39, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

If it was scrapped, it means it no longer exists or has no intention of becoming real. Same with Alco. Why leave up useless information about what might have been? Cosmic Blazar Dragon is the only exception to the rule because it existed in an alternate future, but the future changed. Alco and this card never came to be. People who ask about this are going to think we're stupid for posting about something that was left on the cutting room floor without any hard proof (and no, a link to a site only a few people can access does not count as proof). Perhaps one day, on the bonus features of the ZeXal DVD we'll know about Alco and The Closed Eight. Or perhaps, since you use a forum for your fact checks, you've been the poor victim of a joke. Either way, this page should be deleted on the ground that without actual proof that this could have happened, this is nothing but a junk article. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 06:32, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

This is exactly my thought word by word. I really think this page and Alcor page need to be deleted. They have no sense.Yano88 (talk • contribs) 08:27, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

So, are we ready to except facts and common sense? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:33, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

In what universe is "information about something that was planned" considered "useless". Information like this is type of thing you might not come across anywhere else - and its interesting. Behind-the-scenes stuff like this is usually well-liked by fandoms. And aside from that, it was officially confirmed. And yes, that link does count as proof. If you want to argue it doesn't, I guess we better take down all the anime information for future previews and all the summaries that have ever been done for ZEXAL, because all of them had their roots on NAC. NeoArkadia is a trusted source for information, period. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:39, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

I've added a description of where the card came from to the page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:02, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Are you daff, man? Behind-the-scenes stuff is only interesting if there is substance to them? Delete scenes, storyboards, director stories, crap like that. Without them, it's just a name. We've deleted the old descriptions of episode (including the ones involving this one), so why in the bloody world should this waste of 0s and 1s continue to exist. It's just unprofessional, messy, and tacky. I have no clue what world you live on, Cheesedude; but it seems to only have a population of 1, you. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:12, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

At least we put a poll to decide whatever this remains or not. Yano88 (talk • contribs) 19:20, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm one for Deletion. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:01, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Rocket, we have not deleted the old episode descriptions, they are retained on each episode page at the bottom (specifically for the ones that were on NAS' website). You and I clearly have entirely different definitions of professional. To me, not documenting this would be unprofessional.

Yano, not everything gets decided via polls and consensus. Stuff that is up for debate does. This is not up for debate. Neither of you have provided a sound reason to delete these, so there is no debate. Also, can you please stop putting your signature on a separate line from your post? It causes spacing problems. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:45, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

But this card would count as a trivia fact. Like you said, the cut scenes would count, so why shouldn't this one be as well? Energy X ∞ 20:49, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

I have given lots of proof, Cheesedude, which you have deliberated not listened too, which makes you a poor example of an admin. All it says on the bottom of those episodes is "There was a preview on NAS, but it was later removed...." Removed!! REMOVED!!!! Meaning not there anymore, meaning you have no proof that they were meant to exist anymore. For all any of us know they were put there as speculation and then removed because of them. That has happened on here before without little much of a warning. Who's to that NAS did not do the same thing? Your claims may well be based on speculation. Because there is little to support it anymore, it should be removed.

And X, cutscenes have various, visual, tangable things to back them up (director comments, storyboards, etc.). This has less support than Cosmic Blazer Dragon. The only reason CBD exists is because there is visual proof within the episode of 5D's telling Z-One's story to back it up. This doesn't have that. If this and Alco are to be on here at all, it should just be a footnote on the bottom of episodes 130-132 much like there past titles are. There isn't enough to support giving them actual card tables. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 21:27, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly this. A note in the page of said episode is enough. Two whole pages for Alco and this card are not. Yano88 (talk • contribs) 21:30, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Cheese I'd like to apologize for my insulting your status as admin. I was just getting frustrated with what seemed like my words were reaching deaf ear and I crossed the line. However, I stand my the statement that this card and Alco should be footnotes rather than pages.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 22:05, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

We're making some progress, then. I want this doucumented in some form. If all else fails, I'd be willing to concede to just leaving them as footnotes in the episode article and deleting the rest. Apology accepted, and I do apologize myself if I came off harshly.

Unless someone hacked the website or there was a website employee that went berserk, there should not have been "speculation" on the official site.

I would still prefer to retain the articles themselves, but I'd like to wait for some more opinions. If none come forth, I'll concede and delete the articles, retaining the footnotes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:25, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

Rose

Is this a part of the "Rose" archetype? Yano88 (talk • contribs) 18:17, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

It has "ローズ" in its Japanese name, so yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:24, January 3, 2014 (UTC)