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I simply request that this page be unprotected. The list of staples is totally wrong, considering that there really aren't any real staples this format. ChaosPudding 23:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
- Many users add useless content here constantly, that's why it's locked. --Dragon Slayer (Contribs • Count) 23:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Is it worth adding that most of the staple cards for Advance Format are Limited? Killbolt 00:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Why is Neo-Spacian Grand Mole both a Staple and a Semi-Staple? It doesn't make any sense.
is considered a staple because it used in ever deck becuae it can clear every big monster nearly but you won't see it in a lightswonr deck or something like that because it wouldn't work but you will se it most other decks Sammykill98 05:02, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
Some of the cards in the Advanced Section aren't advanced anymore.
Probably ideal to switch Call of the Haunted and Monster Reborn. I'm not sure about any of the others I'm sorry, but I thought that it was a good idea to say something. 188.8.131.52 08:38, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
- The format has changed a bit since I last used my list, but I have it up on http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User:Yami_Michael#Competitive_Cards. It might help find some of this missing staples, or ideas how to group them. You could use  as well, but you need 500+ posts on pojo. Yami_Michael 11:20, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
What does a card have to be in order to be a staple? How is Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind and Cyber Dragon a staple? Gale the Whirlwind would only really work in a Blackwing deck and Cyber Dragon is a powerful card, but I don't see how it is a staple.—This unsigned comment was made by Qim1 (talk • contribs)
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- Staples are cards that work well in almost any deck. Gale can be used in any deck, not just BWs, the halving effect is useful in many decks. Cyber Dragon can be used in all side decks, sided in against machines (e.g. Gadgets) for Fortress Dragon). You should probably discuss it here instead. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:44, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
- The card does not see play in any Deck, let alone at a high frequency. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 21:51, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Really? I know that I don't see a wide variety of decks, but it seems to me that it would be as good as Threatening Roar, which IS on the Semi-Staple list, if not better since Negate Attack is a Counter Trap and therefore has higher Spell Speed.
- And as for not seeing play in any decks, well...I use it in my deck...
Trap Stun is seeing a lot of play these days, and with how splashable it is; I think it should have at least be considered for staple status...BassNettoHikari2...Talk to me... 00:38, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
- Except, other than "X-Sabers" or "Gladiator Beasts", "Seven Tools of the Bandit" is much more common/popular. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 07:08, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Would Reborn Tengu be a good staple since if it gets removed from the field in any way you can summon another one from your deck, lose no had advantage and good against cards like Mirror Force and Bottomless Trap Hole.http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User:Kokou2 20:52 May 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Nah, it's not Splashable enough to be staple, it's a nice card, but not enough for it to be ranked with this, at least until the next YCS results-Resk ✩ (Talk) 00:52, May 9, 2011 (UTC)
Some cards in this list that don't see much play
Admittedly these cards are splashable in most decks and wouldn't hurt them, but I think that a staple actually is that way because people more of less put them in every deck they make, because the effect is so good that a person just has to use it to be competitive.
When creating a deck in the latest yugioh game for example I make a deck called new, with Monster Reborn, Dark Hole, Mystical Space Typhoons, Mirror Force, and Call of the Haunted. Most decks also seem to use also include Giant Trunade and Torrential Tribute today as well.
I would say that although Pot of Duality and Bottomless Trap Hole are great, that they are not staple however, because many decks today rely on special summons, so Pot of Duality (in my opinion, but it could really be staple) could be seen as semi-staple for that reason, and Bottomless Trap Hole doesn't work against Stardust, so I notice a trend in decks to include Dimensional Prison instead today, so semi staple for Bottomless IMO. Solemn Warning does indeed seem to be in many decks, so is semi-staple. I would argue that Solemn Judgement is semi-staple at best today, and that many people have traded it out after it got limited for Solemn Warning. Finally Book of Moon would be semi-staple at best (I don't see that in every deck).
I would argue however that Trap Hole (???) actually sees play in no competitive decks at all, and isn't even semi-staple, Waboku, sees play in very few decks, and today isn't semi-staple (Threatening Roar has more or less replaced it, and I wouldn't even say that's semi-staple),
Sangan and Gorz could both be debated as not being absolute staples, but do still seem to be in many decks.
The list was meant to be used in conjunction with the Recommended cards list on the Deck types. Trap Hole and Waboku are 'bad cards' (relative to better cards/choices) and shouldn't be there anyways. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:06, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Bottomless Trap Hole has been rightfully removed. I'm also slightly on the fence about Pot of Duality being there. Only 2/4 of the Top 4 Decks of the format run Pot of Duality, and honestly, when I see a deck, I don't immediately jump to the conclusion that Pot of Duality should be put in. I think it should be considered a Semi-Staple, although that's a tad controversial.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 11:38, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
This list is seriously messed up
Effect Veiler and Duality, Staples? NO. They should be semi-staples. Mirror Force, a semi-staple? NO. If you don't run Mirror Force you're effing stupid. I've never seen a more staple-worthy card since Pot of Greed. The semi-staple list is wrong too, Mind Crush is nowhere near semi-staple status. Compulse is far more deserving of the title but is nowhere to be found. Also, I truly believe that Reborn Tengu is the first true monster staple. I don't care what you're running, Tengu will make it better. It's the new Pot of Consistency except better and it works in more decks. It'll help freaking Gladiator Beasts. Lightsworns. EVERYTHING. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 18:51, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
- While I agree with your point on Mirror Force, Pot of Duality is hardly recommendable due to it's Special Summon disabler. As for Tengu I'd say it's not really splashable with EVERY deck type. For example Lightsworns are known for their self-milling not only would reborn tengu only hurt you, but the other copies may be discarded. Mattwo (talk • contribs) 09:00, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
For September 1st, 2011 List
Currently, competitive players view the only staples as "Effect Veiler" (most will tell you 2 copies, reason being the importance of stopping "Tour Guide From the Underworld"/"Sangan" combos), "Gorz the Emissary of Darkness", "Heavy Storm", "Monster Reborn", "Dark Hole", "Book of Moon", "Mystical Space Typhoon" (the capacity in which it should be run varies depending on the player), "Trap Dustshoot", "Solemn Warning", "Solemn Judgment" and "Mind Crush".
These are the only universal cards in the game at the moment. Other cards, such as "Call of the Haunted", are considered semi-staple (Agents and Twilight, two of the most anticipated Decks for the upcoming format, do not usually play it). DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 09:44, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
What about BLS-EoTB? He's pretty splashable, lots of decks run light attributes and most decks should have dark. Divine Wrath is better than Effect Veiler in my opinion since it can be activated anytime (except for the turn it's set). Also, there's no doubt in my mind that Dark Bribe should be in there.
Question, why is #39: Leviathan Dragon a staple and why is Utopia a staple?
First of all, when you comment, please use four tildes. Those two are staples because they can go in about any deck, because of its summoning conditions, and this is'nt exactly a reason, but they are very popular. PsychicDuelist101 (talk • contribs) 09:14, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Episode 39: Staple or Not to Staple?
i have recently added tour guide and Zenmaines to the staple list, does anyone here think utopia is still a staple as I sometimes think it should be given semi staple status?
someone reply PLZ
- The Extra Deck has more leeway than the Main Deck does in terms of what is acceptable as a Staple, because Synchro and Xyz Monsters are far more versatile than Main Deck cards and can be used by virtually any deck. As far as I'm aware, Utopia is still one of the prime choices for Level 4 Xyz Monsters. As for Tour Guide, it is not a Staple. Just because it's used in a lot of decks doesn't make it a Staple. It has a very specific role in a deck and not all decks need that role fulfilled.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:38, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
Who Decides This List?
Who decides this list? Cuz I think Interplanetarypurplythorny Dragon should probably be considered a Staple or Semi-Staple, since it can be Special Summoned when a monster of yours is destroyed. Anyone agree? Structurist (talk • contribs) 18:54, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
Dark strike fighter
Should Dark Strike Fighter be added to the list of extra deck monsters in the traditional format?, because it was used to create easy OTK's.
- Though he's common Punch-and-Blow-Up Monster, he's little hard to complete the challenge - I meant, c'mon, Level 3 monster that synchronizing with other Level 4 (1 being Tuner or other) and how fast can you do in that way beside "Summoner Monk" + "Rescue Cat" method? --iFredCat 22:29, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
A few edits.
I disagree on Gagaga Cowboy, also put Tour Guide in there. Hand traps are also getting used a bit less frequently, maybe put them in semi-staples? But a pair of Tour Guides is pretty much present in every deck this format. I saw Yami Wheeler's comment: just like Pot of Duality fulfills a specific role in decks and is a semi-staple, so should Tour Guide be - not only everyone uses it, but it's also very versatile. Saying it's only put in decks to fulfill a certain role is like saying Sangan isn't a staple because it's used a lot and only fulfills the role of searching Rescue Rabbit. --Let the Number take hold! 19:07, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
- Agreed. Tour Guide is certainly a staple but you could argue it isn't used in every deck since people see it as broken - that's a whole new discussion which I won't go into.
- All of the cards on the Staple list are subject to debate. --Spongebob456 (Talk) 19:28, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
Put Tsukuyomi in there, he/she (is it a he or she) just became limited again. Who doesn't want a Book of Moon per turn?