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Junk Warrior

Well he also uses "Speed Warrior" in nearly all his Duels and I don't think that's a Signature Card. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Putting "Speed Warrior" as Yusei's signature card is like putting "Avian" and "Burstinatrix" as Jaden's signature cards Blackstone Dresden 18:41, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm saying that "Junk Warrior" should be excluded for that reason. The person who added "Junk Warrior" said it should be there because Yusei used it in most of his Duels. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe, but Junk Warrior made Yusei won most of his duels, even when he had Stardust Dragon. Rayqui 19:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think Delta's getting Junk Warrior and Junk Synchron confused Blackstone Dresden 19:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

No, I mean "Junk Warrior". This just seems to be a matter of taste. In my opinion a character should only have one signature card (or cards if its a group like Sacred Beasts or Ojama Trio) at a given instance. That being one that's most recognised as belonging to that character, not their necessarily used in the majority of their Duels. Some may use it as a measure of last resort or save for special occassions, in which case Yusei did with "Stardust Dragon". Although then you could argue that "Junk Warrior" was Yusei's signature card before he got "Stardust Dragon" back... But I wouldn't say so, since at the time, the story revolved around him getting "Stardust Dragon" back. So "Stardust Dragon" was more important to him than "Junk Warrior" at this time. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Should I mention that, right before and after advertising moments during the Japanese anime, Yusei appears along with Junk Warrior, which also appears fighting Jack's Red Dragon Archfiend in the first 5D's opening, and made appearances in all others openings with the exception of Cross Game ? Plus, the article says "one particular card a duelist uses [...] in almost all their Duels", and Junk Warrior was played by Yusei in [b]all[/b] his duels, was Yusei's first main monster to be revealed. Still not enough ? Rayqui 20:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

All those points prove it's one of Yusei's popular cards. They don't indicate it's his signature card. And yes the article says that they use their signature card in nearly all their Duels. Read my last comment and you'll see that I don't agree with that. It may be true in a lot of cases but not always. Addressing when you said, "Was his first main monster to be revealed", defining what a "main monster" is, is more tedious than defining what a signature card is. And being the first is no proof that it's a signature card. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

By "main monster", I meant a bit of "strongest monster", but also first "woah-take-a-look-at-this-powerful-monster-with-unbeliveable-abilities-which-make-me-win-the-very-first-duel-of-the-anime". I dare say Junk Warrior is to Yusei what E-Hero Flame Wingman is to Jaden, like Nitro Warrior is Yusei's Thunder Giant, Stardust Dragon being his Neos, etc. It plays a major role in his duels. Rayqui 18:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

This seems to just be a matter of taste. Would a vote be the best option? -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure, why not ? Rayqui 19:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Um, Junk Warrior is in the goddamn eyecatch. I think it's fair to say it's Yusei's signature. Danny Lilithborne 11:00, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, ...

... why did Hunter Pace and others got removed ? Rayqui 20:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

We've only seen them use those cards once and haven't heard of any other connections with them elsewhere. There's not enough evidence to say they are their signature cards. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

In the first episode of the anime, Hunter Pace is known for his "Skull Flames combo", and yet Skull Flames appears in all his duels too. Doesn't that makes it his Signature Card ? I think Hunter Pace has more reason to be in this section that Mr.Armstrong and Iron Chain Dragon. Rayqui 18:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Armstrong and "Iron Chain Dragon" were removed at the same time as Hunter Pace and "Skull Flames". Although I hadn't noticed Hunter's had been changed to "Skull Flames". I thought it was still at "Speed King ☆ Skull Flames". I agree that "Skull Flames" was the Signature card of his Skull of Fire Deck and quite possibly his Signature Card overall. I won't argue if that's re-added. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

'k, re-added then. Rayqui 18:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Fortune Ladies/Fairies.

Those are Carly's Deck theme, not signature cards. Diehard Guy 10:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Non-pedantic differences being? Danny Lilithborne 10:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

If/when Carly/D Carly starts to favor a specific Fortune Telling Witch/Fortune Lady above the rest, that could be called her signature card. Otherwise it would be like putting "Morphtronics" as Leo's signature cards —This unsigned comment was made by 75.104.172.139 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Ra

Would Ra really be a signature card to Yu-Gi? I mean at least from the episode's I saw (which isn't all of them) Yu-Gi uses Obelsik and Slifer a lot more. And even when he does use Ra he doesn't use Ra to it's full potential.--Blueyeyesawesomedragon 15:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Removing the list

Considering there are so many questionable "signature cards" and there seems to be some sort of arguement over many inclusions, could we just forget the list altogether? We could keep 2 or 3 unarguable examples (eg. Kaiba - Blue-Eyes White Dragon) to give the reader an idea of what a signature card is. -- Deltaneos (talk) 09:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Should we maybe add...

Should we add Celfon (Leo) and Speed Warrior (Yusei)? Vehicroidsrage 00:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Wisel's owner

Shouldn't we have Piccaco (I problibly pronounced it wrong) instead of or in additon to Ghost for Machine Emperor Wisel? After all it was his card that he "lent" to Ghost. Azure Knight-Zeo 18:38, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we could...

I was thinking maybe we could add Pharaoh Atem. You know, like say his signature cards are the 3 Egyptian Gods and the Creator of Light? —This unsigned comment was made by Novafan365 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I think so, only the "Egyptian Counterparts" could summon the Divine-Beasts, and only the true pharaoh (knowing his/her name) could summon Horakhty. --Bluemoonwhitenight 04:14, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

But he never used them as cards. He didn't use any cards for that matter, unless you count his time as Yami Yugi or video games. He had cards in FMR, but not the Egyptian Gods. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:26, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Signature Archetype

Maybe we could expand this into a signature archtype page. For example:

Yusei Fudo: Junk & Warriors, Zane Truesdale: Cyber & Cyberdarks, Seto Kaiba: Blue-Eyes, Yugi Muto: Dark Magicians, Egyptian Gods & Kuribohs, Jaden Yuki: Elemental Heroes etc . . . --Bluemoonwhitenight 12:08, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

I agree but I am not sure if all the characters have a signature archetype

Judai's E-Hero Neos...

I noticed that his ace monster - Neos, still has Season 2 - ? on that list, should that be fixing or leave? --FredCat100 (talk • contribs) 17:22, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

I kind ofagree with deltaneos above. The character's signiature cards aren't really hard core facts it's just observations 9so-to-speak) of cards they use often. Maybe just 1 card per character is enough. Yug18-11 (talk • contribs) 14:30, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that we list cards for EVERY character, even characters that have a single duel. I think this sort of encourages longer lists for characters we see more often. Most characters really do have a single signature card though. Judai/Jaden is really the exception. Flame Wingman was clearly signature during Season 1, while Neos was for the rest of the series. I think most would agree that Dark Magician is indisputably Yugi's signature, and the Stardust Dragon is for Yusei. Jaden's is more complicated. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:22, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't we also want to include Terra Firma, as that was his for the manga. Yusei also has Lightning Warrior for the Manga.

True. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:00, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Now like Cheesedude said, Jaden's is more complitcated. Now, the way I see it, there's a tie between Winged Kuriboh and Elemental Hero Neos. --Novafan365 (talk • contribs) 14:36, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Recycle of Add and Remove

I am little irritated that you kept put all cards that are not really main cards in those list ever Delt and I still said no. What's a problem with you, unregistered user? --FredCat ^{T.P. • F.R. • J.R.} 22:42, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that they shouldn't be added, but I don't believe that "those shows are over" is a valid argument. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:46, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

What are some examples of what the user did? Was it the Big 5?--Novafan365 (talk • contribs) 04:28, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

should little yugi not have gandora as one of his signatures?

Proposal

I think this page should be completely revamped. Characters that appear only once or twice should not be listed. Any signature cards that remain should be cited. There are plenty of episodes in which a character specifically identifies a card as their "ace" or "favorite". If we cite this, it will take away a lot of ambiguity in what a signature card is. Some manga chapters have the same thing. This would prune the list considerably, and citing a source is never a bad thing, right? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:47, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

It may also help to have separate sections for the anime and the manga (there's probably little difference for major characters, but I'd imagine minor characters have their cards changed pretty often when going between the two). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:12, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

I would agree. For the original manga, the signature cards should be mostly the same, but there's plenty of anime-only characters. In GX and 5D's, the signature cards are utterly different. Same setting and characters with different stories and Decks.. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:59, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

There have been no objections, but there has been lots of edit warring. I'm going to attempt to revamp the page completely tonight. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:53, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

It would be great if you put a reference(s) where possible. --91.150.120.7 (talk) 21:21, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

While I agree to a certain extent, this is one thing we probably shouldn't get too hung up on references over. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:16, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

I will put references where I can. Expect the GX to section to references better than the others, since I know more about that series than the others. If anyone else can add any references that I don't add, I would appreciate it. I'm going to consider any time a character references a card as their "favorite card" or "ace card" proof enough that it's a signature (actually, maybe we should move this article to "ace card"). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:59, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

What if a character considers a card as the best one in their Deck? Does that kind of a statement count as a "favorite card" or an "ace card" --178.223.135.236 (talk) 07:10, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily, it depends on how they say it. If, for example, they're just making an objective statement (something along the lines of "X is the strongest monster in my deck"), it's not evidence that that card is their favorite/ace. An emotional attachment to a particular card, on the other hand, is a much stronger indicator that said card is their favorite/ace. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:19, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

An emotional attachment to a particular card, on the other hand, is a much stronger indicator that said card is their favorite/ace.

If an emotional attachment can be considered as a condition, should we add cards which a character finds it "precious" in terms of a presentation i.e. a symbol of a particular bond or relationship with an another character? For example, Syrus' "Power Bond" is a symbol of the bond with his brother Zane, Atticus' "Swing of Memories" - his bond with Alexis, Alexis' "Doble Passé" - her bond with Jaden etc. --79.101.212.197 (talk) 13:49, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Again, not necessarily. Those all sound like cases where the card is just representative of the relationships between those characters - closer to a mascot than an ace. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 15:27, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

If a favorite card is considered as a condition, should we list idol cards i.e. card crushes or just avoid them? --178.223.177.81 (talk) 21:19, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

The same questions for "important" and "valuable" cards. Should we list all that cards or just those in terms of being precious to character, not being the strongest or rare ones in their Decks.

I'll list them here in case they are needed later. --178.223.177.81 (talk) 00:02, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

• Episode 2 - Alexis calls "Flame Wingman" Jaden's most important card.
• Episode 11 - A flashback shows that "Power Bond" is an important card to Syrus as he was a gift of hos brother.
• Episode 16 - Syrus states "Winged Kuriboh" is a valuable card.
• Episode 56 - Jaden calls Syrus' "Power Bond" a valuable and memorable card.
• Episodes 165 and 166 - "Destiny End Dragon" is an important card to Aster.
• Episode 173 - Atticus calls "Red-Eyes B. Dragon" an important card.
• Episode 178 - As Jaden makes his speech, he holds an important card to him ("Neos"), as well as his friends (Chazz - "Ojama Yellow", Syrus - "Power Bond", Alexis - "Doble Passe").

I think that's a bit nebulous. In the case of Winged Kuriboh, I believe Sho was saying the card itself is valuable, since in the anime-verse it's a very rare card. The same can be said for Destiny End Dragoon, since it was one of a kind and commissioned by the Senrigan Group for what was probably a ridiculous sum of money. So both those cases are not using "important" in a sentential way. Also, I don't think any given card needs more than two or three references. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:14, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

"Redundant" section header names

There are several reasons having the redundancy in the individual manga/anime section headers is preferable to not having them:

1. Linking is much simpler - it's far easier to remember how to link Signature card#Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's anime then it is Signature card#Anime 2.
2. The needed link with the shorter headers changes if the order is changed, or if headers of the same name are added or removed - for example, if the first YGO section gets split into anime and manga subsections, the link to the ZEXAL manga section changes from "Manga 3" to "Manga 4", and all instances have to be updated accordingly.
3. People being linked to a specific subsection can tell immediately what the context for the information is, without having to find the next-higher-level header or play detective based on the information in the table.

This is one case where a little bit of redundancy is actually more useful than not having it. --Dinoguy1000 (talk • contribs) as 208.124.74.56 (talk) 16:12, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Dino. I was about to pulling my butthead glove and hit them down with it. Also I am glad that I am not an Admins, otherwise I ended up like Blue. --FredCat 16:13, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

As far as the headers go, why not just split up the headers more and not have anything in subheaders. In other words, have separate level two headers for both the anime and manga. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:17, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

So you're telling me that we have to remove the main topic (Original, GX, 5D's, and ZEXAL) and tear them into two before paste them in subtopic respective? --FredCat 16:28, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'm suggesting that, yes. By no means do we have to. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:36, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Let's see what can I do! *trek to the article...* --FredCat 17:43, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

*...returned to here* And done, I just left Original alone because it is combining. I can let you take care of it if you like. --FredCat 17:47, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Zexal anime

This seriously needs to stop. Over and over again people are adding people like Kakeru Kunitachi, Housaku Yasai and Shobee Yuatsu, but they only dueled once so they should not be listed. They should only really be added if the character said personally what there ace card was. 86.15.144.198 (talk) 22:28, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

I could have sworn we agreed that one-shot characters were fine for this page as long as they explicitly said something along the lines of "This is my ace!". Surely I'm not crazy...? =D 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:29, November 28, 2011 (UTC)