Talk:Number 91: Thunder Spark Dragon

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Only 3 Materials?

How are you suppose to use its second effect? --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 06:09, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

If it is confirmed at 3, it is relevant to the article. Is it confirmed to be 3? If so, a note should be left on the page because I already knew that there would be edits make that were not sourced. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 06:37, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

The lore is confirmed. If you zoomed up the image you can see the summon condition clearly stated "×３" with your own eyes. For how to use the second effect, you can see in the card tips. Blackwings0605 (talk) 06:50, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

It's confusing a lot of people because up until now, it was pretty much impossible to attach Xyz Material to a monster after it's summoned. Some people are probably thinking that you can't attach more Xyz Material than the monster originally had - not an unreasonable assumption, mind, even if the rules don't actually say any such thing.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 07:07, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

• A note isn't required for every unique situation. If people edit it wrongly, their edits will be reverted. Its effect isn't that hard to grasp.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 07:47, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

There are four cards that can attach additional Xyz Materials ("Spirit Converter", "Number 9: Sky Canopy Star - Dyson Sphere", "Overlay Eater" and "Overlay Regenerate"). Given that this is a new concept, I think a hidden note next to the lore is justified for now. If a lot more cards that can do that are released and this becomes a routine thing, we can probably remove it. It's clearly causing confusion and I'd rather have a note on the page than have this talk page flooded with questions as to how it works. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:11, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

• I'm against the idea of catering to stupid people. Xyz Monsters are still a fairly new mechanic, and for people to start behaving like idiots (i.e. reverting like it's an impossibility) whenever a new concept is introduced is ridiculous. That being said, if you really want to add a note for those select few people, that's your choice.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 16:18, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

I in no way am trying to be rude to you YamiWheeler. That is why I had such a difficult time coming up with a responce. Consider if a card was made like the following:

• LIGHT Warrior-Type level 4, 2000 Attack/1200 Defence. Effect: When the only monsters on your field are Aqua-Type, this card can attack directly.

This would be a comparable example to this card. The system of Xyz Monsters is new, true. However, there have very rarely been cards that are incapable of using their effects due to not qualifying and requiring additional cards. For my example, how many people realize that that card needs to become an Aqua-Type before its effect would work? This card, (Number 91: Thunder Spark Dragon), is far different because it specifically denies the use because it is incapable of having that many Materials at the start. More like "If this card is not Aqua-Type, this card cannot attack." --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 19:13, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

• This is remedied by reading and understanding how the card works. It's not rocket science. For a while, people may see it and think "Hm, that's odd. Maybe it's an error?" but they will (or should) quickly realize that it is not, and grasp that the monster needs more Xyz Materials than it originally starts off with. Regardless, like I said, that's my stance on the issue. I'm not a moderator, and ultimately, it isn't my decision.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:19, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

That is why I said a Note. They are only seen by editors to prevent errors from being made. The problem at this point is that the card is not in English and most Viewers are only going to look at the Lore section. I, myself, was going to change it to 5 because it looks like a simple mistake. I checked this page first and found it empty so that is why I made this section. It's not rocket science. For a while, people may see it and think "Hm, that's odd. Maybe it's an error?" but they will (or should) quickly realize that it is not - The problem with this is that it is the first time that a card requires more Materials than it can accumulate on its own. Like having a Spell Counter monster that adds 3 Spell Counters to itself but has to remove 5 Counters from itself to use its effect. It seems odd and while the card is not viewable (in English) it will be a constant confusion for editors. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 21:55, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

This card's Number

Does anyone know the meaning of this card's number? According to the Number page, every Number card has at least one meaning in its Number and are carefully picked. I still have not found any references that will not be deleted from the Trivia page. If anyone has any ideas, answer here.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 23:49, September 7, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

It's a manga Number. Odds are there's no deep meaning behind it. (But then I'm bitter because one of 'em is a little dweeb with a spoon for a head.) The only one I can think of that might be connected is Number 50: Blackship of Corn: "50" could plausibly be read as ごお (i.e. ごう, or 号, the kanji indicating it's a ship's name), but it's a stretch - certainly not something I'd put on the Trivia page myself.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 23:55, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Number 63: Shamoji Soldier? Number 22: Fran Ken? They had their own explanation of why they are what Number meaning. Number 50 did get it, but this one does not. That's what Cards want to know. --iFredCat 23:59, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well. That's an interesting explanation for Number 22. Anyway, if I were to hazard a guess, given that there's no obvious connection between "91" and any of the monster's actual stats, it might have something to do with a punny reading of the number, like I suggested with Number 50.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 00:12, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, we need some good and deep research on how 91 actually do with the eel-dragon form monster here. --iFredCat 00:17, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

"91" can be read as kui, possibly referees to the word "Quick" (クイック Kuikku). ZingerZheng (talk • contribs) 00:45, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I think this cards number is that 1 means that its the first Number/Xyz to require to detach Xyz Materials more that whats required to its summon and 9 is that Thunder Spark has 9 Thunder monsters (Brohunder, Fuji Thunder, Mahunder, Pahunder, Santa Thunder, Sishunder, OToNaRi Thunder, Thunder Seahorse and Thunder Spark Dragon) Boom figured it out ----SharkTenjo 00:52, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Which referring as how fast "Thunder" went from cloud to the ground. That's one interesting "pun"! --iFredCat 00:52, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Which ironic as it took us time to figure it out ----SharkTenjo 00:58, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Guess we learned something new - it can be hard to figuring out. But be happy that he actually bring the answer we are looking for. --iFredCat 00:59, September 8, 2012 (UTC)\

Its not done there. 9 could also be it's rank and materials added together. Also, the combined materials for its effect is eight, which is 1 less than 9. Also, it's anime equal 9 as well. From what I can see, the pun is how many times they can get the number 9 into its effects. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 01:04, September 8, 2012 (UTC)