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Monster Rebirth vs. Monster Reincarnation

  • This card is not Monster Rebirth. I don't know how Yami Yugi calling Rebirth "reincarnation in episode 193 actually made people think that, but they are two different cards with two different artworks and effects. Reincarnation was released instead of Rebirth and Rebirth has remained Anime exclusive. Reincarnation may be seen as the real life counterpart of Rebirth (much like "Mystical Moon" is "Full Moon"'s counterpart), but they are not the same card so can we please remove the redirect from rebirth to reincarnation and give rebirth its own page and gallery, etc.?--—This unsigned comment was made by DCAUBatman (talkcontribs)
  • Firstly, what's the point of asking after you've already tried to make the changes, and made a mess of it in the process because you don't know how to edit properly? Secondly, you are wrong. Both cards share the same Japanese name - 死者転生. That's all that matters. They are the same card, and the art and effect were revised when they were released into the OCG.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 20:08, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • Sorry if my editing first has bothered you, but generally, when there's a mistake on a page (no matter how big) it's supposed to be corrected. Now, I understand they have the same Japanese name - that is a valid point, but like I said, much like in other cases, they can be seen as the counterparts for each other for Anime and Real Life. The different names in English, I'll admit, really just make it simpler to make separate pages for them, but it can also create confusion since the different name is applied to the different artwork with a different effect onscreen. Again, if you want to link them to together (by citing them as counterparts or otherwise) that's fine, it makes sense, but brushing rebirth off as reincarnation completely leaves out the distinction and misrepresents the facts and this is a Wikia, isn't it?--DCAUBatman (talkcontribs) 20:23, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • No, you do not just go rampantly changing every page you disagree with. If you see a potential mistake, especially when it involves moving several pages and creating new ones to rectify, you should discuss it on the talk page first. There may be valid reasons for why it isn't a mistake, like in this case. As for the distinction between the cards, they are not counterparts. They are the same card, with a different effect and artwork in the anime. "Elemental HERO Stratos" also has different art and a different effect in the manga, would you like to split his page and call him a counterpart? The Japanese name is the most important factor on this Wiki. We have a section which recognizes this card's anime incarnation. That's enough.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 20:29, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • I am apologize but to agreeing with Joey here, you're not know enough Japan around here. Please withdrew from here and go study onboard more Japan Language. Thank you. --iFredCat 20:25, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • Was that pointing to DCAU? If so, then I should agreeing to that - It's only because they are Anime/TCG/Manga difference. That don't mean we have to create two articles for each HERO monsters and each reprinted related, like one for Elemental Hero (not full capital) Stratos and Elemental HERO (Full Capital) Stratos. --iFredCat 20:31, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm not saying separate names get separate pages. I'm saying many other cards with less distinction between their anime and real life counterparts than rebirth and reincarnation have gotten separate pages so why not rebirth? --DCAUBatman (talkcontribs) 20:36, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • Because those cards, like the Full Moon and Mystical Moon cards you previously mentioned, have different Japanese names (フルムーン and 魔性の月, in this case, respectively), so this Wiki recognizes them as different cards. Monster Reincarnation and 'Monster Rebirth' do not.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 20:39, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • So even though the moon cards have the same picture (just slightly zoomed out for mystical), the same effect, and pretty much the same everything except the equip icon, they get separate pages because the distinction came before anything else?--DCAUBatman (talkcontribs) 20:41, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm just using the moon cards as an example b/c of how minimal the difference is so they probably have the smallest case for being separate.--DCAUBatman (talkcontribs) 20:42, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, the stance of this Wiki is "if they have different Japanese names, they're different cards."--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 20:43, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • Okay, very well. I guess it's better to follow a line of reasoning that applies most of the time so that when it doesn't we leave the people who the wikia is meant to inform confused. Yeah, that makes sense... Bye.--DCAUBatman (talkcontribs) 20:47, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
  • We aren't catering to the minority of people who will be confused by a concept as simple as different names = different cards. Bye.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 20:49, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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