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Speculation?

This is User:Elemental Hero Kid Neos, this is all I can get for Savior Archfiend Dragon. Some of the details are guesses, like the ATK and DEF. This card's ATK and DEF are, respectively, equal to the ATK and DEF of Red Dragon Archfiend plus half its ATK and DEF, I’m not sure if that will be on the show. If there are any problems let me know.

Actually because their guesses this page isnt sustain to exist yet. Since all that info is just speculation, its better left out until the card its actually use on next week´s episode. For now its type and name are all we got, though its the OCG name and not TCG, as we dont know how the english version is gonna be called at the end. DracoX 23:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I suppose it should be deleted because there is no proof. The existence of this card is certain. However, you cannot support the effect. Despite the standards for "Savior" monsters, you cannot assume it has the effect "This card returns to your Extra Deck at the end phase and Special Summon a Red Dragon Archfiend from the graveyard". Also, it is known as "Savior Demon Dragon" in the anime. Naming it "Savior Archfiend Dragon" is also a spectulation that cannot be said for certain. However, the possiblities of this is extremely high. 173.34.86.202 00:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Name

Whether its name will be changed to include "Archfiend", can be said for certain, if you know the Japanese name. If the Japanese name we have is correct, then it is not an "Archfiend", because it does not have "デーモン" in its Japanese name. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
However, to remain consistent with its previous form (Red Dragon Archfiend), it can be assumed greatly that will contain some aspect of its name, other than Dragon. The English edits have called some cards a certain name, regardless of the Japanese name, ex. Frog the Jam. If it is a demon, or devil, it is extremely likely that its name will be changed to Archfiend. Messengerofthedark 21:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark
Wouldn't a more logical translation be "Savior Dragon Archfiend"? —This unsigned comment was made by 75.104.173.243 (talkcontribs) 23:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
No. See above, it doesn't have "デーモン" in its Japanese name, so "Archfiend" support cards will not work on it in the Japanese version. "Frog the Jam" has "Frog" in its name because it was released before the "Frog" support cards. They did not know they would have "Frog" support cards at the time and when they made them, they were able to add other than "Frog the Jam" to the texts. The only way it will have Archfiend in its English name is if we have the wrong Japanese name. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:01, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
The wouldn't a temporary proper name be Savior Fiend's Dragon? Messengerofthedark 02:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark
Not necessarily. The Japanese term for Fiend(-Type) is "(あく)()(ぞく)", pronounced "Akumazoku", which is the Japanese word for "Demon". This card's name uses "デモン", which is pronounced close to "Demon". One is the actual Japanese name for "Demon", the other is the English word "Demon" wrote in Japanese characters. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi!, I think that it would be more like the Stardust Savior version, becaus it is called Savior Star Dragon becomen the Star, like the Red on Red Dragon Archfiend, I think it will be traduced as Savior Red Dragon, but nothing like Demon, Fiend nor Archfiend (Sorry with my english, I'm from Chile, I usually don't talk English). BYE :D —This unsigned comment was made by MabushiCrow (talkcontribs) 02:42, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Could it possibly make its way to the TCG as Savior Daemons Dragon? It would not be pronounced like demon, but rather like day-mon? If it isn't a fiend or an Archfiend, then what are we left with? Messengerofthedark 04:02, 18 May 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark
  • I note that the current name for the page is ideal; not only does it truly reflect the actual name known so far, but it also fits the kana, never we mind the OCG's own use of "デモン" in cards beforehand.

Take heed that I specified "デモン" rather than "デーモン"; The OCG does have at least one use of "デモン" - although possibly only in Furigana. Refer to "Split Demon Rose" - probably here as "Regenerating Rose". 136.227.2.81 16:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC) Atem


Stop making changes to this card please

Please leave the Atk/Def/Star Level/Card Number/Effect/Etc with "?'s" please, Because until next wednesday (May 20th) we won't know any information on Red Dragon's Savior Form~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 19:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Real ATK value?

Asukatenjouin 05:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC) I think there's something wrong with the ATK value. I saw from the picture before this article's picture that its ATK is 4000. Is it just me?

Effect details

I'm User:Elemental Hero Kid Neos. When I look at the Japanese letters on "Savior Demon Dragon" and "Savior Star Dragon", they both have the same letters on the last row and a bit on the second to last, so I'm guessing that "Savior Demon Dragon" as the Return to the Extra Deck and Summon it's Regular form from the Graveyard.

I know that this card is wicked hard to summon and only stays for one turn, but it's totally broken. Even for a broken card it's broken. It makes forbidden cards look Semi-limited. It's almost like it's against the law to add this card to the anime or manga, heck even to imagine it in the first place. I'd fell dirty using this card and winning the duel right there. It's so powerful, I don't think anyone deserves it. WHEN CAN I FLIPPIN' GET ONE ALREADY?!?!--Dragonking 16:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Well i have some information about it's effect. Once per turn, you can select 1 face-up Effect Monster on the field and negate its effect(s) until the End Phase. Additionally, this card gains ATK equal to that monsters ATK. Negate the activation and effect of an opponent's card that would destroy this card and destroy it. Then inflict damage to your opponent equal to this cards ATK. If this card attacks, destroy all Defense Position monsters your opponent controls after damage calculation. Return this card to the Extra Deck during the End Phase, then Special Summon 1 "Red Dragon Archfiend" from your Graveyard.

On the wiki page, what happened to the part of the effect that negates an opponent's effect that would destroy and then inflicts damage equal to its attack? Did Konami make a change for the TCG?

Apparently. --Bluedog (Talk) 06:05, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
First of all, why? Second, does the OCG version still have that effect? 'cause that would be mega-unfair to the power of stupid.--Dragonking 02:57, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

So, by "during the end phase, does that mean the End Phase of which the monster is summoned? --Malevolence from the stars, it's {{subst:User:Novafan365/signature}}!! (talkcontribs) 04:42, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Release date

118.136.125.44 07:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC) How do you know that this card will be released in Stardust Overdrive?

Just specualtion, as until now it hasnt been confirmed if it release on this booster. DracoX 17:44, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Name...

Why not "Savior Archfiend Dragon" or "Savior Dragon Archfiend"?? :) Abe Storm 17:52, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Because it's not an Archfiend —This unsigned comment was made by 75.107.104.245 (talkcontribs) 17:55, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it kind of is...I think. Does Demon in this cards name equal Daemon? ... Archfiend page -> "This category was officially introduced with the release of Dark Crisis, as a way to standardize the English translation of OCG card names containing "Demon" 「デーモン」. To avoid confusion, "Demon" is often spelled "Dæmon" or "Daemon", to show that the card is an Archfiend: some non-Archfiend cards have "Demon" spelled differently[1], and some monsters have Japanese names with "Demon" as a possible translation[2]. " Dmaster (Talk Contribs Count)
No, as the quote says "Demon" must be spelled "デーモン" (pronounced Daemon) for a card to be considered an "Archfiend". In this case its spelled "デモン" (pronounced Demon). -- Deltaneos (talk) 09:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Think about the other "Majestic" (Savior) dragons, and their Synchro materials. Majestic Star Dragon originated from Stardust Dragon, hence the "Star". So, Savior Demon Dragon will most likely translate to Majestic Archfiend Dragon, hence the Savior to Majestic translation, and the fact that they can't use "Demon".
Except for the fact that they can't use "Archfiend", because IT'S NOT AN ARCHFIEND.

savior archfiend dragon

instead of the lame savior cards i would have preferred the assault mode.--Airbellum 06:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Majestic

Should we move this article to "Majestic Archfiend (?) Dragon" like Majestic Star Dragon or should we wait until it shows up in the dub? --Bluedog (Talk) 02:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

A move to "Majestic Demon Dragon" would be most appropriate. It follows the wake of "Majestic Star Dragon", and keeps its controversial "Demon". Messengerofthedark 02:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
how about Majestic Dragon Archfiend

I'm presuming MRD is it's official name

  • I'm presuming that Majestic Red Dragon will be it's official name, if so that that is actually better and it stops the huge Fiend/Archfiend - Demon/Daemon debate in regards its name. PLUS It's sounds sooo much better as Majestic Red Dragon... well, better the Majestic Star Dragon ;)~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 00:06, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

It is, in fact, the official name. Just check the official site's ABPF page, it's mentioned almost right away. xD Burnpsy 00:25, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually glad that this is it's name, because it actually sounds cool. As opposed to what it could have been~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 19:54, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

hey, that's metal raiders symbol--Tapper930 04:36, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Name

If in Japanese is Savior Daemon Dragon, It's probably Majestic Dragon Archfiend. Remember what they did with 'Red Daemons Dragon"?.

Dude... did you read the name of this page? It's already Majestic Red Dragon. Not Archfiend or anything else. --Blue (Talk) 02:09, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Status as an Archfiend

"Majestic Red Dragon"'s Japenese name is "Savior Demon Dragon" not "Savior Daemon Dragon". Because of this its translation would be Savior Fiend Dragon, not Savior Archfiend Dragon. Does this mean that Majestic Red Draagon is not treated as an Archfiend.205.188.117.76 13:20, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Correct, it is not an "Archfiend". DemonGodAsura 16:31, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

3D Effect

I was looking at a friends cards last night, and he happened to have a Ghost Rare edition of this card. It seemed to have a slight 3D effect to it, anyone else noticed this?? --Hyperwre_2.0 (talkcontribs) 21:49, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

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