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i check on the card and i look on the writing and is not a synchro tuner monster, is really a effect synchro monster
i check on the card and i look on the writing and is not a synchro tuner monster, is really a effect synchro monster
: No, actually, it's a Tuner Synchro. Check the Japanese lore of any Tuner Monster and you'll see that it matches. Stop being an idiot. --[[User:Blackstone Dresden|Blackstone Dresden]] ([[User talk:Blackstone Dresden|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackstone Dresden|contribs]]) 21:31, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

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This card has long time been known as just ,,The Fifth Dragon,'' so was it already revealed to be known as Life Stream Dragon and to be Leo's? And if, where an when?

Someone with a question —This unsigned comment was made by (talkcontribs) 13:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

It was mentioned in Weekly Shōnen Jump in a preview for episode 143. See: Talk:Life Stream Dragon (character)#TRUE Name Confirmed (finally) for more information. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:15, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Life Stream is a Tuner Synchro

Check this pic, where it says the Type, it's too long to just say "Dragon/Synchro/Effect". It looks like it's "Dragon/Synchro/Tuner". Could someone hardly read that? It's for a change on the article, obviously. Dark-Shimy (talkcontribs) 19:35, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

    • LeArk already had it as Synchro/Tuner. He certainly has posted as such on DMC and Janime. ShinobiPhoenix (talkcontribs) 19:38, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
      • There is no way this card is a tuner, and we can't post that it is based on an unclear image, so i recomend that's removed from the page. the synchro tuner with higher lvl is level 5 and it'll keep being the highest for a long time. Yes, im Pato (talkcontribs) 02:15, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
        • Wow, an actual Konami employee on this wiki. Hey, Pato, while you're here giving us this information, would you mind going over to Aero Shark and the Excess/Exceed Monsters/Summon pages and clear a few things up? Unless of course you're NOT a Konami employee and are simply making all that "the synchro tuner with the higher lvl is 5 and it'll keep being the highest for a long time" crap up, in which case, go away. Yes, Tech Genus Wonder Magician is currently the highest LVL Tuner Synchro, but that could easily change. A Tuner Synchro can be any LVL between 2 and 11, just like a Tuner can be any LVL between 1 and 11. Sure, it would be harder to Accel Synchro with LSD, but it's still possible (The Fabled Synchro Monsters have low levels, for example), or, LSD's theoretical advanced form, if such a thing exists, could have the Summoning text "Life Stream Dragon + 1 or more non-Tuner Monsters". Since LeArk has proven to be a reasonably accurate source, we can reasonably assume that he's/they're accurate this time and that LSD is a Dragon/Synchro/Tuner until next week when we see his full effect. And, if we're wrong, then come back in a week and say "I told you so." --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 03:09, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
          • I know u sure are a konami employee, but im a registred/regular contributor in this wikia, and that up there is me making an observation, that may be false, as it might be tottaly true, so, if u don't like what u read, turn arround, go to the nearest wall, and start screaming to it, because im sure thats the closest thing to a human u will find that wants to hear u critize people who are just expressing opinions. in this wikia we all count as the same, as no1 is the owner of the truth, not me, not u, no1. Also im a student, but yea sure, i work in konami, and next week ill go to work with pegasus and chumley, because SCREW MY AGE, I HAVE NEEDS. Yes, im Pato (talkcontribs) 03:41, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
  • Actually, personally, I'd be happy to hear him criticize you and I'm pretty sure I'm not a wall, because he's being logical, while you're spouting unfounded, assuming bs. Tech Genus Wonder Magician may be the highest Synchro/Tuner right now, but don't forget that the highest Level Tuner is Emissary from Pandemonium at Level 7, and this card is only 1 Level higher, so I don't see how it's soooo unfathomable that this card could be a Tuner as well. That argument being said, I think most of us on the Wiki value proof and sources over just some random person's baseless opinion.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 11:49, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
  • Why don't we just leave him as Dragon/Synchro/??? for another 6 days until 143 comes out? Would that really be so bad? Also, locking the page itself may be in order to stop people from assuming that his Materials are 1 Tuner + PTD or just vandalizing it like that last anon. --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 02:46, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

i was supposed to say ´´I TOLD YOU SO´´ right?. wow, who'd thought that that LVL 8 synchro monster wasnt tuner...omfg, i know some1 who did. Yes, im Pato (talkcontribs) 22:50, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

  • Unless you have a card image CLEARLY showing that it's a Synchro/Effect, then you're a moron and a troll. --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 00:57, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
    • hey don't insult idiotic bitch, it's not my fault that you don't know the first thing about tuners, that most of them are tuners TO BE SYNCHRONIZED. which becomes harder as the level increases, in most cases. so don't insult and face the truth, you were wrong and i was right. Yes, im Pato (talkcontribs) 05:50, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

yea, i bet x-sabers, naturia and other powerfull decks will add a PTD so they can synch it for LSD so they can do and other synchro. Also i know vairon decks use PTD, and im sure they have lots of LVL 1 to tune it with. also i forgot that LSD was PSYCHIC and i can actually use it for HPB, and there are a buch of dragon decks that will do that same process to make dragion, the same amount that will include this both monsters in tech genus deck, that u'll see, don't have that many synchros, doesn't it. oops sorry, too troll? play the game, then criticize me. Yes, im Pato (talkcontribs) 06:21, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Card's Effect

I just watched the episode. When it was Synchro Summoned, Jack, Leo, and Luna's Life became 2000. Furthermore, they no longer took effect damage from Fortissimo the Moving Fortress. Just saying in thought of the card's effect.

I'd like to start by pointing out that I haven't yet seen this episode, but judging by the card list, isn't it possible that the reason Fortissimo no long damaged them is simply because Luna activated Synchro Monument, another Field Spell Card, on her turn? --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 18:10, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
It's effect, from what I see is:
When this card is Synchro Summoned, all players Life Points that are under 2000 increase to 2000. Any Effect damage done to this card's controller is reduced to zero.
(JetKamakura (talkcontribs) 20:56, January 12, 2011 (UTC))
No, if it didn't have damage-negation, Leo would have lost from Asterisk's effect (killing Leo once again lol). Also, Leo didn't have a Machine-type monster at the end of his turn, so he would've taken 100 damage, but never recieved it. —This unsigned comment was made by Dark Star X (talkcontribs) 21:27, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Was that to me, or that to that to the TC? Cause I clearly stated 'Any Effect damage done to this card's controller is reduced to 0.' (JetKamakura (talkcontribs) 01:00, January 13, 2011 (UTC))
That was to Blackstone Dresden. Sorry about that. --Look! It's the DARK STAR! (talk) 20:25, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
Is the Life Points gaining effect optional or mandatory? -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:19, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

The image

The images here are supposed to be either from the anime, or of the physical card itself. That's why the image was removed. Jon Kovacs (talkcontribs) 19:10, January 13, 2011 (UTC)


The links for the episodes the card is in are not there any more. Does anyone know how to put them back? Jon Kovacs (talkcontribs) 19:48, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

That's a side effect of {{Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's anime appearances}}. The linking relies on Semantic MediaWiki, meaning when SMW is disabled (as it was earlier), the links don't get added (it was far worse before I updated {{Card table anime and manga appearances}}; the template would break the whole table instead of just providing unlinked output). I've been thinking about possible methods for linking that don't rely on SMW, but it's looking like I'd have to sacrifice flexibility to achieve it. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:40, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
Can you go into a bit more detail on what yo mean by "sacrificing flexibility?". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 00:02, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
Basically, the only real way I see to do this right now would be to basically revert my recent changes to {{Card table anime and manga appearances}}, which would have the dual side effect of not allowing people to use slashes (/) or commas to separate input any more (I think - I may be able to do something about that, but I'll have to do some checking and testing) and again limiting input (and thus output) to only 50 numbers (it would be trivial to add more as far as code is concerned, but I don't know how it would affect template limits (especially on card pages with a lot of stuff), and there is at least one other template to be deployed (after I finish it; it's still not ready!) which could be just as heavy as the animanga appearances template system).
As I mentioned above, though, there may be a way around all this without relying on SMW (the only thing of it that the template actually uses is #arraymap; I wonder if Wikia would be willing to look into installing an extension with that particular functionality for us). The only thing keeping me from replacing it is that #arraymap can output arbitrary-sized arrays/lists (as far as I can tell), whereas string functions like #explode can only output one item at a time. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:48, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
I honestly don't think both slashes and commas are needed. I really don't think we should use both. We should be consistent. I personally prefer the slashes, but I think the commas make more logical sense. I see no harm in asking wikia to input that for us. Our card pages are very atypical as far as wiki pages go, and they're a huge part of this wiki. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:53, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
I favor consistency as well (and I agree that commas look best), but I specifically allowed slashes because that's what we've been using to separate episode and chapter numbers in the appearances boxes up until now. Just to be clear, you can't use both styles in the same call (e.g. you can't do {{Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's anime appearances|004/007, 008}}). ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:39, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Life Stream Dragon is not a Synchro/Effect

If you look at the top line of his effect box stating his type, you will see that the ] on [Dragon/Synchro/Whatever] sticks out well over an inch more than it would if it just said [Dragon/Synchro/Effect] (I used Black Rose Dragon's anime card image because the two are identical in size). As a result, I have changed type 3 to just ??? and would appreciate it if people didn't just automatically undo it. --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 00:04, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Okay Life Stream Dragon is a effect monster. It has an effect and it's not a tuner. There is no possible way. Besides you can't even read what it says based on the picture it has a white streak through it. Besides what tuner would be level 8 and then allow you to get another tuner out. you would only be allowed to get levels 9 to 12 and you get more restricted. Another thing is why would you ever use a synchro that you need another synchro for so you can tune with another tuner and basically a level 2 monster to get another synchro. The only other opption your saying is tuner and it just can't be.IrishMorphtronicGXG (talkcontribs) 02:18, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
When you sign a post just use four "~"s it will save you the trouble of having to fix a ton of links. Jon Kovacs (talkcontribs) 02:26, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
Blackstone Dresden didn't say it was a Tuner. 'Just pointed out the word after "Synchro/" can't be "Effect" and should therefore be labelled as unknown. It could be "Tuner". It could be something else, but there is too much space between "[Dragon/Synchro/" and the closing "]" for "Effect" to be the hidden word.
The reasons you've given for it not being a Tuner are don't suggest it's impossible. Just because we can't see immediate use for it or think it would be weak, doesn't mean it's impossible. There may be a monster in an upcoming episode that will make use of it.
-- Deltaneos (talk) 02:27, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah but inly effect monsters and tuners have effects (bad wording but you know what I mean) unless this is the first of a new card it has to be effect or tuner and honestly it can't be a tuner so it has to be effect. IrishMorphtronicGXG (talkcontribs) 02:34, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

  • So, you're saying Gemini Monsters, Spirit Monsters, and Union Monsters don't exist? Considering PTD's effect being similar to Unions but reversed, I think it's possible (Note the words think and possible) for LSD to be a Union Monster with an additional non-Union effect. Unlikely, yes, but still possible. --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 03:07, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Okay my bad on those but Gemini is unlikly, a spirit synchro would be dumb, and union monsters are usally machines not dragons so i don't see it as that either so... IrishMorphtronicGXG (talkcontribs) 03:15, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

There are also Toon Monsters, but given what we know, I'd say that's a safe call as right out. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:28, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
There may be a new series of monsters for Leo that follow a similar line as LSD's life point protection effect, which could make sense if you think about the only reason that he summoned the dragon in the first place was to protect Luna. Jon Kovacs (talkcontribs) 03:30, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

There's no way

There is no way that Life Stream Dragon is a tuner —This unsigned comment was made by (talkcontribs) 00:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

That was mistake, but now it's a Synchro Monster, not a Tuner. --FredCat Ta.P.F.P.J.R.W.S.Th.P.S.C. 00:36, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
Wrong, in the Japanese lore it says "Dragon/Synchro/Tuner". See this image, the latest Japanese characters match those of the word "Tuner". Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 00:47, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
This may just be my inability to read Japanese, but the end of the type line (Can someone please tell me what the "official" name for that line on a card is) all the letters look the same, so I think it's best if we just leave it as an unknown until we get a clear image or some other form of confirmation. --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 01:05, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how anyone could claim to be able to make out individual characters in that image with any degree of accuracy; they're certainly too low-res, blurry and low-contrast for me to distinguish them. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:08, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
Even with a clearer image, it's too blurry to confirm anything. What if it's a whole new type? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:34, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Life Stream Dragon is only Synchro, not Tuner and end. Leo doesn't have nothing with Clear Mind, so it's impossible to Accel Synchro with he and another synchro(that is not tuner). The higher tuner's level(printed) is 7

  • Where's it been proven that Leo doesn't have Clear Mind? More importantly, where's it been proven that there aren't going to be any Synchro Monsters with Material Monsters consisting of "1 Tuner Synchro Monster + 1 or more non-Tuner Monsters"? If LSD has an advanced Synchro counterpart, it may very well use him + a level 2-4 Monster (Something Leo's deck has in abundance). --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 15:05, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

What signer Dragon would be a tuner that's just dumb. IrishMorphtronicGXG (talkcontribs) 18:13, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Life Stream is a Tuner Synchro (research and solutions)

After thinking how I could prove what is the third type, I did this. See this image. After finding cards images from the anime with the same size as Life Stream Dragon, it gave me the result that the word that fits in that blank space is indeed the Japanese word for Tuner. Gemini and Union were too short, Spirit is impossible, and Toon... well you all know. I used the images of Shooting Star Dragon and Formula Synchron that were the same size as Life Stream. Obviously, this is for changing the article and leave it as "Dragon/Synchro/Tuner". Would this proof be enough? Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 17:18, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

  • That seems fairly conclusive to me. Anyone got any evidence to the contrary, because based on Buster Blaster's card image, Union could actually work, if it didn't make the effect box so damn huge. --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 17:32, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

- If LSD is a tuner it is the most dumb and complicated synchri ever. It needs a PTD and a level 1 tuner to get a level 8 tuner that brings out more tuners. Honestly if it is a tuner it's the dumbest yet. Besides what signer dragon would be a tuner. unless its used to get a level like 20 Crimson Dragon this card will be useless. That light blocks the last words, so they could have tries to extend the words or something so there is still no sure way to tell until it's released. so it's still ??? IrishMorphtronicGXG (talkcontribs) 18:24, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

People I am Chiness(kanji use Chiness character) and the type didn't say 效果 so its not an effect monster.

The True Life Stream Dragon

Thank you Dark-Shimy for finding the true effect of Life Stream Dragon. I am a bit disapointed it's a tuner and hope it will change for the TCG version but am now very excited. What a level 8 tuner can due i'm confused on but whatever. so Thank you for finding this and the ture effect and sorry for arguing everone who said it was a tuner. IrishMorphtronicGXG (talkcontribs) 05:05, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

  • Umm there is exactly a... 0% chance that LSD's status as a Tuner Synchro would change between the OCG and the TCG. --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 05:14, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

It's not your fault, almost everyone thought that konami had become smart with time, and had assummed what cards are usable and wich aren't. honestly, even in a morphtronic deck it is impossible to summon. I don't think MT players, such as myself, will use lighton just so they can summon LSD, the archetype has it's 2 tuners, both LVL 3 and both funtion really good with the others MT's.Yes, im Pato (talkcontribs) 05:14, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Works in Gigavise decks. But this should really be moved to the General Discussion if we're going to continue like this. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:16, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Actually in a Morphtronic Deck I can see it working quite easily not exactly with Lighton at all times but with maybe Glow-Up Bulb or others. I will use Lighton because if the effect is ture then I can use it in the wa I play and can always Junk Box it so I'm still excited I just don't like the tuner part IrishMorphtronicGXG (talkcontribs) 05:20, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

similar Tuner Synchro Monster effects?

um i can't read japanese, but doesn't this card actually have the effect to synchro summon on your opponent's turn. (talk) 09:20, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

It's just being an unique monster, being different from rest of other Synchro/Tuner. He's bigger than the one you saw on Show and in living game. --FredCat Ta.P.F.P.J.R.W.S.Th.P.S.C. 01:13, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Possible Misprint?

It could be possible that the card was misprinted on the magazine; mainly deja vu of the Phantom Darkness poster with Yubel - The Ultimate Nightmare, Dark Grepher, and I think Rainbow Neos as Beast monsters. --Look! It's the DARK STAR! (talk) 03:16, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

And what part of the card would you be hoping to be misprinted? Even if it is, though, we are in no position to call it as such; we have to wait for official word that there was a misprint and what the correct card would be. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:58, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

yep, i took these time ago

Yes, im Pato (talkcontribs) 04:15, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

@ Dinoguy1000: The part about Life Stream Dragon being a Tuner. It doesn't seem right.

Counter-productive edits

  1. While we can see that the edits by Sbox7 are incorrect; he has been asked to stop... multiple times... albeit unsuccessful. It seems like he doesn't know the difference between the anime effect, and the _CG effect.
  2. Tuner (チューナー) status. It can been seen on both the anime image and the photo, so there shouldn't be any doubts here. Unless someone somehow has proof that both images are fake.
  3. As for the translation, I don't know, I can't read it. The translations are constantly being reverted, why? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:22, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

I can't read any japanese myself, but I can identify general YGO phrases such as "Tuner", and Life stream dragon doesn't mention Tuners at all aside from the fact that it's a tuner monster, yet for some reason sbox is totally ignoring this. Either way, thanks for protecting it before an edit war broke out Neonian (talkcontribs) 01:26, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

That appeared the user who ignored your warning is just spammer/troll, I could tell by edit counts. That user is most likely just don't like the "Fifth Dragon", aka - Life Stream Dragon, to be that way. --FredCat Ta.P.F.P.J.R.W.S.Th.P.S.C. 01:30, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Life Stream Dragon is not a synchro tuner

i check on the card and i look on the writing and is not a synchro tuner monster, is really a effect synchro monster

No, actually, it's a Tuner Synchro. Check the Japanese lore of any Tuner Monster and you'll see that it matches. Stop being an idiot. --Blackstone Dresden (talkcontribs) 21:31, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
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