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The page was edited since there was a mistake about the rulings. The effects of Poison Draw Frog and Dupe Frog are optional, so that by Tributing them to Substitoad does not allow the player to draw a card or search the Deck for a Frog Monster, since this is a case of "Missing the Timing". Gilbert Gosseyn III 01:33, December 9, 2009 (UTC)
sorry, i dont entirely understand that ruling... could you please re-explain it to me,
--Blazen8 03:00, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
Think of it as the following:
- "If then, you can." If the card says "when this happens, you can do this," then it is conditional. This is what it says on Poison Draw Frog; "When this face-up card on the field is sent to the Graveyard (unless it was attacked while face-down and destroyed by battle), you can draw 1 card."
- If it says "when this happens, then do this," then it is manditory and then it has to activate so it will after the chain is complete. An example of this is Ojamagic; "When this card is sent from the hand or the field to the Graveyard, add 1 each of "Ojama Green", "Ojama Yellow" and "Ojama Black" from your Deck to your hand." You do not get to choose if it activates.
What this means is a manditory effect will start a new chain after the current chain is done. Optional effects like Poison Draw Frog can only activate its effect if the "When, then you can..." is the last thing to occur. For Poison Draw Frog, if it is destroyed by battle, (and was face-up when attacked * Part of its effect), the last thing to occur is it was destroyed and sent to the graveyard. Then you can activate its effect. If [[[Poison Draw Frog]] was sent to the graveyard by Substitoad's effect, the last thing to occur was Special Summoning a monster from the deck. This is not the trigger for Poison Draw Frog's effect so it cannot activate its effect.
Was that clear enough for you? If it isn't let me know and I will try to help further. --LordGeovanni 04:04, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
What is the true purpose or reason as to why we should have Brionac in our little frog deck?--Sapphire 08:50, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
True, but staples have been asked to not be placed. However, Brionac is useful to use and make sure there is a Frog in the grave so you can bring Ronintoadin. --LordGeovanni 23:28, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
- As long as a card has more use than a regular Staple, then imo they can stay on the list.
- Similar to how Torrential is on the Fortune Ladies page. Falzar FZ 23:47, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
- If the card is relevant to the actual strategy, it can stay. If it's just some random staple (Heavy Storm, MST, Mirror Force, etc.) then it should be removed. --Blue (Talk) 23:52, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
How is it that people allowed this page to become horribly ugly because some random person decided they wanted to put information that is readily available at 1 click on the page? --YamiWheeler 20:04, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
- If you check the history, this "random person" stopped several people from arguing on what cards should be on the page by coming to a compromise. This page was the result. --LordGeovanni 20:13, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
- It's ugly and sticks out like a sore thumb against other pages. It's neatly organized until your part comes in at the bottom, and adds all of this unnecessary information and destroys the layout of the page. Since you're having so much "fun", I'm not gonna let this go either.--YamiWheeler 20:15, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
Be my guest, but If you would just talk, you may help me figure out a "better" way to organize that information that isn't so hard on your eyes. --LordGeovanni 20:29, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Easily done. Falzar FZ 06:56, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
Are frogs going to be banned any time soon?
Major edits on May 5th, 2011
Why was so much removed from this page? I saw that somethings were added but a large amount of text was removed. I would like to know before I return the text to the page. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 08:26, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
I feel there should be a section of this article discussing the weaknesses of the Frog Archtype. Perhaps it could be mentioned the low defense of many of their monsters leave them vulnerable to piercing damage. Also, cards like Imperial Iron Wall can prevent Rointoadin from special summoning itself. Then cards that limit or stop special summoning like Summon Limit can severely impact the ability of Frogs to swarm the field with tribute fodder. I came to learn more weaknesses, but walked away from the article with little. --Just Some Guy
Toad is actually a Series
Hello! I am new to Wikia! First things first, I would like to apologize for my grammar. I just want to discuss my observation that "Toad" (カエル Kaeru) is actually a series of cards that supports, if not, serves as the bosses of the "Frog" (ガエル Gaeru) archetype and should be given a separate page on this Wiki. The members of the Toad series include Substitoad (Irekaeru), Tradetoad (Sashikaeru), Ronintoadin (Ikikaeru), Toadally Awesome (Mochi Kaeru), and most importantly, the legendary Slime Toad (Kaerusuraimu). It makes me happy that the outcast Slime Toad is really part of the family after all. So, what do you guys think?
- "Toad" is actually a series of cards that supports, if not, serves as the bosses of the "Frog" archetype"
- According to that very logic, they should remain together because they're supposed to go hand in hand with one-another in gameplay. We only split groups of cards of the same theme if they are split in different archetypes by literal support cards.
- And no, sorry to ruin your delusion, but "Slime Toad" was never part of the family. It was released in 1999, and the first explicit support that made "Frog" an archetype came out in 2008. Even if you count the anime, they were used as a theme in 2006. Way too much time to have any meaningful connection, and it's also a Normal Monster, so how can it be a support for Frogs?. --XBrain130™「
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- "A series is a group of three or more cards that share an appearance in artwork, name, or effect similarity, but are not genuine archetypes due to lacking any support cards."
- "A member of a series may also be a part of an archetype, an example being the "Armed Dragon" or "Ultimate Insect" series, which both have members that are included in the "LV" archetype."
- "We only split groups of cards of the same theme if they are split in different archetypes by literal support cards."
- I am not suggesting to split a page. I am suggesting to create a separate page that acknowledges the obvious pattern of distinctness and similarity among the existing cards that i have mentioned. A series doesn't have to support an archetype to be a called series. What separates a series from an archetype is the lack of support cards.
- "And no, sorry to ruin your delusion..."
- It's not a delusion. "Toad" (カエル Kaeru) exists with as much distinctness as "Frog" (ガエル Gaeru). It is very obvious that "Toad" is supporting "Frog", only that doesn't happen the other way around. "Substitoad" that can summon frogs from the deck out of thin air ended up being banned. "Toadally Awesome" is now limited in OCG.
- Who cares if "Slime Toad" is a normal monster? It has Toad/Kaeru in its name and is therefore also part of the series. If it was released in 1999 then that makes it the first member. --Nyarlatohep (talk • contribs) 20:53, October 24, 2017 (UTC)
- "I am not suggesting to split a page. I am suggesting to create a separate page."
- Mhhh, ok.
- "A series doesn't have to support an archetype to be a called series."
- That's not what I meant. What I'm saying is that there is not reason to document Toads elsewhere when the only thing they have in common is "They're not-real-Frogs that sometimes support real Frogs."
- ""Toad" exists with as much distinctness as "Frog""
- Absolutely no, because the first is a series and the second is an archetype. They may be both distinct groups, but in no way at the same level. Series are loose, and stuff that doesn't fit thematically is not included. Such a freaking vanilla that came out a decade earlier, depicts a slime in its *artwork* instead of an amphibian, and has no *effect* whatsoever.
- Come on, if you start by saying "I am new to Wikia" but then you require us to do what you want when we explain how our customs do not work like that, you're not doing it well.
- Also, thanks for citing the "Series" page because "Armed Dragon" recently became an archetype so that example has to be updated. --XBrain130™「
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- I did say I want a discussion. :( I am not "requiring" you guys to conform to my rants hehe. I also just want to help to improve the Frog article (which in my opinion is very cluttered and ugly). Nevertheless, I am very happy like a little girl now. Hopefully, Toad will have a page soon.