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I know my opinion probably means jack on here, but I still need to ask: why are we wasting time doubling the number of pages on this wiki and confusing anyone and everyone who visits it by creating separate pages for the anime cards when there is a section on the real card templates for the anime effects? I mean it just seems like overkill, a waste of time, and a waste of data. Could an admin please try to explain why this dumb idea was a good idea? --Rocket.knight.777 (talkcontribs) 15:06, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I believed the idea to split up the cards had been suggested by User:Deltaneos back in 2013. The idea is mainly targeted at anime/manga visitors who don't care much about the card in real life. Some anime cards have been altered, modified or remade completely when they are released to the real life so when you put the anime and real card together it would contain too much information and confusing for visitors. For example, if you come to this wiki to look for the information of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX - Episode 177 and want to know more about the card Neos Wiseman that used in the anime. If you follow the link to main card article, what you get from the screen at first is a completely different cards and brunch of misleading information that totally not useful for you since the card has been remade completely different from its anime form. To check the card image and gallery of its appearance, you have to scroll through all gallery of card release in real life in different languages before you get to anime/manga gallery, which is very inconvenient for visitors who only want to look for the anime/manga card.
I wasn't around this wiki much during the time that the anime cards template is mass implemented, so I'm not sure if there are any recent discussions about any further advantages of this template. Personally, I don't think viewers will get confused with the new anime card articles as far as we can link them properly. Anime card article only linked from the anime related page and contained pinpoint information, so people who do not care about real life card can easily look for the information they want. For people who also want to look for the card in real life, there is always main card page notice on top of the anime card that they can follow. If you type the card name in search bar, it returned in separated articles with titles clearly indicated what visitors want to see. Compared to what we have before, this is definitely an improvement.
Though I do not like the route of going with D/D Cerberus (anime) and D/D Cerberus (later anime), I will discuss about them later. I hope my reply is clear enough to give you why the ideas are implemented in the first place. Blackwings0605 (talk) 17:01, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
Pardon my french, but that's a bunch of bull and malarkey. The wiki was so much easier to navigate before all this extra crud was added. Some people use the anime to find the real cards, but now that the anime pages link to these dumb anime card pages, it's so confusing. It was just so much easier to have all the information you needed on one template, but now you've got like five or six to choose from. We don't need that many pages for 1 sticking card. If making separate templates must be done, then put it all on one page separating the versions with tab, like how they're splitting the English and Japanese texts of the anime cards; that way all the damn information is kept in one place, and people don't have to frickin dig through a ton of crap to find what they want. Why didn't anyone think of that?!? --Rocket.knight.777 (talkcontribs) 18:16, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
The underlying problem is that Template:CardTable2 is old and breaks. It needs to be retired. The best way to do so and not simply have another huge template that will eventually also have to be retired is to split up the card pages. Eventually, a bot run will be done to remove all the anime related stuff from the main card pages instead of having it both places.
Every anime/manga card page links back to the corresponding main card page at the top of the article, so I don't see your issue there. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 20:00, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
The main reason is because {{CardTable2}}, the template which has been used to generate the card pages for years, is being deprecated, for several reasons. First and foremost is that it's horrendously inefficient - a massive drain on Wikia's resources, to the point that edits to it have brought down, or very nearly so, Wikia's network on several occasions in the past few years, in spite of it being extensively rewritten by myself and others. Basically, we've taken it as far as we can, and if we want to be able to do anything else, we have to replace it with something built from the ground up to be more performant. Part of this is that the information has to be split across pages; we already looked at the possibility of presenting all the information separately but on the same page (this was, in fact, what I was originally pushing for), but we found it didn't work, again for a number of reasons, and again, primarily because of technical and performance issues. Second is like Blackwings0605 said above: it has never made sense to pack all the information on all the versions and incarnations of a card into a single page; frankly speaking, the whole thing is a mess. Splitting things up lets us focus on nothing but directly relevant information in a given article.
Navigation in this new system is a major concern, but then navigation has always been a concern. The primary goal needs to be making sure that readers stay in the same type of content as they move between articles (the obvious example is that they need to be able to stay on anime-related articles as they move between episode, card, character, etc. articles), but we also need to make it trivial to move between, for example, anime, manga, and real-life content, and to that end, if you have any suggestions, we'd love to hear them! One possibility would be a control allowing readers to choose where links point, though that would require Javascript expertise that I don't think we have available to us. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:01, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
First, Chessedude, if you don't see my point, you obviously weren't reading what I said closely enough. Second, Dino, I do have a suggestion. Look here (specifically under "Gokai Change) and here (under Kamen Rider OOO). Taking under consideration your fact of needing a new CardTable for the real cards, is there a way to implement this kind of large-scale tabbing to go between Real, anime, Manga, and VG cards rather than having them confusingly spread over multiple pages? --Rocket.knight.777 (talkcontribs) 20:50, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
Those are horribly presented; the Power Rangers link features a massive block of tabs and the Kamen Rider link features tabs nested way too deep. They're both accessibility nightmares; in particular, they both utterly fail on mobile devices.
As I already explained, we already tried having everything on the same page. It doesn't work for us. First off, even though the new templates are far more efficient, they are still weighty by themselves, and the end result would have been even heavier pages than we're dealing with from {{CardTable2}}. Second, we make extensive use of SMW (which adds significant burden of its own and is part of the efficiency problem), which allows us to automatically generate most of the lists on the wiki; keeping everything on one page would have complicated the coding of these lists to the point that it would almost be better to go back to manual lists. We are not going back to unified, singular articles, so there's no point in you continuing to ask for it. If you have any other suggestions, we'd love to hear them, but if all you have is your complaint about multiple articles, there's no point to further discussion. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:41, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
Look, you've more or less already did like I suggested with the Ranger and Kamen Rider wikis with what you're currently doing with the anime card pages. Why not just use that to include the real and manga cards? --Rocket.knight.777 (talkcontribs) 23:21, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
As I already explained, twice, technical considerations mean it won't work. To help protect the servers, MediaWiki (the software the wiki runs on) has hard-coded limits to the amount of complexity a single page can have, and we are already hitting some of these limits on a few card pages with CardTable2. While the new templates are, individually, less complex than CardTable2, they add up to more (potentially much more) when all used together on the same page. There is no way around this that doesn't end with a slightly newer version of CardTable2. I said before, I was originally pushing for a single-page solution myself. I have given this a lot of thought, and so has everyone else involved. If I still thought a single-page solution was viable, I would still be pushing for it. But there is no way to make it work. This isn't a matter of what we want to do, it's a matter of what we can do given the constraints of the software. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:27, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
Then if it must be done, can you at least put the links at the top of the page rather than the bottom? I think it might make it a little (very little) less confusing if they know of the multiple pages immediately. I know if I have the wrong page, I back out with looking at the whole page. At least this way if what they have is not what they want, they can change it right away. --Rocket.knight.777 (talkcontribs) 00:02, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
I would also like them to be moved to a more obvious place. The navbox was a quick throw together. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:23, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
I started writing this comment before Dinoguy's last comment, so sorry if I'm covering anything that's since been addressed.
It's not just OCG/TCG, anime and manga. There's the Toei anime, Labyrinth Battle Game, Bandai Carddass, Bandai Sealdass, Konami's Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters, Capsule Monsters, Capsule Monster Chess, Dungeon Dice Monsters (real world, anime, manga and video game) and numerous video games, including but not limited to Forbidden Memories, Duelists of the Roses, BAM, Yu-Gi-Oh! Monster Capsule: Breed and Battle, some of which feature multiple versions of the same card e.g. "Blue-Eyes White Dragon (BAM)" and "Blue-Eyes White Dragon (BAM Fusion)".
As you said, listing them all on one page, but properly separating out one medium from another is one solution. The problems with this are:
  • It's still a lot of extra page content. Chances are the reader is only looking for one, not all. This is especially much for mobile devices.
  • Data cannot be stored separately. e.g. if a card is a Normal Monster in the anime and a Fusion Monster in the OCG/TCG, we can't get it to appear in automatic lists of Normal Monsters. We can set up things like "Anime Level::6", instead of "Level::6", but then we wouldn't be able to generate lists between mediums.
You mentioned that it's a waste of work and data creating the extra pages, but it's the same amount of page content, to putting them in tabs or a list on the same page. Less data on the user's end, as they only load the one they need. Maybe more on Wikia's end, but not enough to cause problems (or not moreso than the current setup, at least).
And it is still possible to include the details from other pages onto the main page. Either by transclusion, like how templates work, or JavaScript. Maybe, just the important ones like anime and manga, rather than everything. Here's an example of it done via JavaScript. Before people start pointing out the various oddities, it's not finished.) And in that version, the page content won't load unless the user requests it, reducing unnecessary page content loads.
-- Deltaneos (talk) 00:20, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
Uh, Deltaneos, you've lost me. Could you please re-explain with simpler sentences? --Rocket.knight.777 (talkcontribs) 00:27, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
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