Forum:The New Wikia Layout

Forums:	Index → Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki Community Discussion → The New Wikia Layout	Post new comment
Please sign your comments with ~~~~. See Help:Signature and Help:Talk pages for further information.

It sucks. Whenever I want to scroll down, I'll soon be taken back to the top of the page when I'm where I want to be. The text is smaller, even though I still use 150 magnification. And the layouts for cards get blockedd off by that stupid little tab bar that follows you around. Change it back Wikia! Adamtheamazing64 (talk • contribs) 23:50, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Don't count on that. Either get used to it or switch your Preferences to Monobook skin. --Montechristo95 ^{talk • count} 00:16, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Correction - that would be the "Monaco" skin. But the difference between that and "MonoBook" would only be the colour scheme. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 03:52, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

No Monobook is the one I did mean. Just as Deltaneos said below, Monaco is scheduled to be removed. And for your information, Monobook has more distinct differences with Monaco other than the colour. --Montechristo95 ^{talk • count} 10:40, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

The option to use Monaco is going to be removed in November. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:12, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

How do you change preferences? 91.85.191.223 (talk) 17:40, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Only registered users are able to change their preferences. If you want to create an account it's at Special:preferences. You need to go here to create an account. (I don't think you need to provide an email, although it looks like you do.)

Heh, Wikia were hoping the new skin would encourage more people to create accounts. I doubt "so they don't have to use the skin" is what they had in mind though. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:59, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blah. The Monaco skin disappeared. And it looked very well with this wikia... --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 02:21, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

As I have said before, I (and probably many other users) would be quite a bit happier with this change if Wikia had also taken this opportunity to install Vector here (even if only by replacing Monobook, rather than being installed side-by-side with it). However, Wikia seems to have this idea that Vector was intended from the start to be "Wikipedia's new look" (it wasn't; the intention was always as a much more usability-minded successor to Monobook), so they've basically said it's never gonna happen. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:05, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed this layout blows, why change something that worked fine? —This unsigned comment was made by 118.90.135.63 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

From w:Wikia's new look - FAQ#Why are you changing Wikia?

It’s time for an upgrade! We want to give Wikia an up-to-date look that will enhance every wiki and encourage new users to join the site.
We love being the best place for gaming and entertainment information, but we want to expand our success to other topics and types of communities. Our goal is to be a place that attracts the widest possible range of people to read, write, and connect.
We are not changing what Wikia is or does, but rather opening it up to a broader audience.

Not that I agree with any of that. But despite enormous negative feedback. They still think this is the better option. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:12, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Runer5h (talk • contribs) 04:54, October 23, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

Ditto, I guess we have to deal with it, changing some pages, but hey I immediately changed back to Monaco so...BassNettoHikari2...Chat Page... 06:02, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the fact it sucks, especially the scroll up thing annoyed the **** out of me! Luckily we still can choose the old skin. Jens (talk • contribs) 08:33, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think the scrolling bug is being worked on. But everything else we're pretty much stuck with. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:12, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

they did successfully make me sign up -.- Got so annoyed by the new look I saw I could change back to the easier to use look if I signed up.. so I signed up.. That's one goal accomplished.

PS. The new look is difficult and annoying. It's not that I dislike change. But when the tab bar that follows you around everywhere, so it covers up words when you do ctrl f option. Also when the main view page for cards become too large so you have to scroll down to see other options it's annoying —This unsigned comment was made by Different2 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I've seen people bring up the Ctrl + F problem in the staff blogs. So they should be aware of it at least, but I'm not sure if they said anything about it being looked into or not.

Yeah, card articles are squashed in the new skin. We're discussing some changes to try and fix that over in Forum:Width adjustments for the new skin, if there's anything you'd like to add. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:16, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Actually yeah, the Ctril + F problem is being worked on. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:24, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hey man i dont putting websites down but the new layout here is annoying in 2 ways 1-when i scroll close to halfway or the bottem of the page it instantly scrolls back up to the top of the page 2-when using the search section a bunch of words overlap turned up search suggestions and i cant read it. In all respect id say cant we take a vote and have the wikipedidia back to the way it was or at least fix these 2 problems.--Raventheblack (talk • contribs) 19:25, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

The first of those problems is being worked on.

I'm not seeing the second problem, but I did see something similar to history drop down. It's been fixed since, I'm guessing the search suggestions one has been too.

Wikia have been collection feedback for the last few weeks. They're aware that the vast majority of editors dislike it and would rather keep the old look. But they still feel that the new look is the better option. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:24, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Leaving Wikia[]

I guess it's a little too much to hope for to see this wiki do what WoWWiki did, jumping to another server. At least Monobook is still available! Kilkakon (talk • contribs) 05:31, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Leaving Wikia works better in Wikia's favour (ignoring the loss of editors). Wikia usually don't let wikis move. They only let people download the content and upload it to a different domain. They refuse to redirect the old url to the new domain or delete the Wikia wiki. They're also quite strict on how they allow the new domain to be advertised on the Wikia one.

WoWWiki got most of its current users to move to the new domain because they were around for the discussion about whether to move or not. However Wikia still has most of the readers. They're still higher up on Google and various fansites link to the old domain. Since Wikia don't allow the new domain to be advertised readers and returning users won't know about the move and continue to use the old wiki.

If we were to move, ~90% of readers would be more likely to find the Wikia site through Google and fansites than they would find the new domain. It wouldn't be until we get well ahead in content. Like have articles for new sets, which the Wikia one won't have before we start to reclaim more readers. However other people, who are unaware of the move or just want to take charge of this site could start creating those articles.

In short, staff feel it is their job to support the wiki on Wikia, rather than the community who built it. If we leave we have to compete with our own work. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:24, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough! Thanks for the explaination at any rate. It seems a bit weird that the WoWWiki people just didn't disregard Wikia's rules as they were running off anyway, although I suppose that Wikia would just remove anything that they didn't like. It's a stuck in the middle situation for us, but it's good that you people have brains turned on about it. I'll just stick with Monobook and not complain. :) Kilkakon (talk • contribs) 12:34, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Watchlist and tabs[]

Copied over from Forum:Width adjustments for the new skin

Is there any "proper" way to view the changes to the pges I watch? the only way I have been able to see my watchlist page is http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Watchlist and that I got from saving the page in my favorites. Is there any place on the site I can click to get there?

Also, will anything be able to be done about the tabs that were in the upper right of the pages? For example, go to a card page and then where is the tab for the rulings page and tips page? --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 04:24, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

This thread is really for discussing adjusting pages to suit the new skin. There's another thread Forum:The New Wikia Layout for more general talk on the skin.

Anyway, if you click on "My Tools" in that bar at the bottom of the page, then "Edit My Tool", you should be able to add the watchlist link from there. The tabs to those pages at the top of card articles were added by JavaScript, which was only compatible with the Monaco skin. Dantman wrote that JavaScript. To re-add it to the new skin, we would need him or some other JavaScript guru to write something similar. The links to those pages are also available further down the page in the "Other Card Information" part of the table. (Sorry if you already knew that.) -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:50, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice to have those links "backported" to Monobook as well, for consistency between skins. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:31, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I am sorry I placed this in the wrong section. This new skin is messing with everything I do on the Wikia. For example, I cannot even type this responce in the available box. My mouse refuses to place the cursor where I click. When I scroll with the scroll bar, the page instantly reacts as if I hit the 'Home' key. If I use my directional arrows, the page jumps the cursor around randomly. Even when I get the cursor where I want it, I cannot see what I am typing because it is always covered up by either a pop-up message or it is outside of the text box somehow... On top of all that, each symbol I type takes about a second and a half to appear. I have had to type in notepad and Copy/paste my responce just so each of these messages I type do not take me over an hour each. Thank you for answering my querstions. I did already know about the other section but for someone who only ever used the tabs, I am having severe difficulties adapting. I will make sure to leave any other questions I have in the appropriate section. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 20:30, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

That's odd. Recently the new skin was made faster than Monaco. I don't think you should be getting those problems. Is this a persistent problem or could it be your computer randomly acting up? Have you tried closing and reopening your internet browser or restarting your computer and seeing if it goes any faster? -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:56, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

It happened as late as last night. Typing this out now seems to work well. Possibly the problem has been fixed. Hopefully there will be some major improvements on the size problem I just posted below. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 21:02, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Pixel Limitations[]

Why is the page limited on how many pixels we can have across? I have a full 2 inches on either side of my screen that are only filled with the color maroon. In exchange, the area in between them is filled with everything on this site. If we had use of the sides I would not have to see such an empty space, nor would I have to see so much cramed in a small space. I understand that there are some people who do not have as wide a screen as me, however I think the 100% idea should be used. Have the page span 100% across the screen. That way we would not have to fix 100% of the pages, some pages may be good as is if there were not the across size restraints. Also, is there any way to remove the column that has "search this wikia", "Recent Wiki Activity", and "images on this wiki"? That little bit crushes entire articles, a few articles I have seen have that column covering up parts of the article even after the article is crushed. It just seems stupid that Official Wikia wants us to make our site that to me was a confortable 1000 pixel size into a size that appears to be less than 400 pixels across. Is there any light at the end for us? --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 20:59, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

It uses a fixed width. This is so the content on pages looks exactly the same on all screen resolutions. So when you save a page, you only need to check that it looks right for you. In the past, something looking normal on your screen could have images, tables etc. overlapping on another screen. I don't think 660px article space is the ideal solution to that though.

I've removed all that sidebar stuff for myself through Special:Mypage/wikia.css before. Along with a lot of other junk from the new skin I don't like. I've re-added it though, since I plan on sticking with Monobook and will mostly just be using the new skin to see what stuff looks like for other people. The way I did it caused the searchbar to drop the bottom of the page, but I'm sure there's a better way of doing it. I'll take a look now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:16, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

CSS2 specifies min-width, it's supported in every major browser, and there's absolutely no reason Wikia couldn't have used that on the content area, since there're no ads in the content area anymore. This would provide all the benefits of the fixed-width without the problem of, well, fixed width. We'd still have to make sure stuff doesn't look *too* bad with 660px content area width, but there would be many fewer complaints about the width. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 22:05, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

#WikiaMainContent { width: 100%; } widens the content area and pushes the sidebar to below the article area. To disable parts that get pushed down, use the following. You don't need to disable all of them, if there's something you want to keep.

.WikiaActivityModule{display:none; } removes the recent wiki activity module
.LatestPhotosModule{display:none; } removes the new images module
.WikiaSpotlightsModule{display:none; } removes the spotlights
.WikiaPagesOnWikiModule {display:none; } removes the so many pages on this wiki module.

I doubt you want to disable the searchbar. I can't find any way to get it to go to the top of the page, but you can use Alt + (Shift) + F to access it without scrolling. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:44, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

You could probably move the searchbar up with absolute positioning, but I'm not promising it wouldn't look ugly without some serious CSS wizardry. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 22:49, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Not sure this is the best place for this, but I just noticed that the "featured users" link, under the "community" section is broken; it simply redirects you to whatever page you are on at the time. HT30 (talk • contribs) 22:12, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

That probably can be fixed, but we have been planning on removing that part from the menu altogether. See: Forum:Sidebar links. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:04, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

But there hasn't been discussion on that since I last posted almost a month ago...BassNettoHikari2...Chat Page... 06:54, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Find a place yet guys?--Hikaruyami-having fun* (talk • contribs) 07:19, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

"Quick" Questions[]

If somebody doesn't mind answering this, is there any way to activate any widgets you had, or were they replaced with "My Tools"? Also, is it normal that the only way to edit a page is to click the "Edit" button at the top of the screen (If I recall correctly, there was a link at the bottom of the page saying "Help (the wiki name) Wiki by editing this page". Was that taken out, or is my browser just weird? Thanks in advance. Shrev64 02:50, October 29, 2010 (UTC)Shrev64

The widget menu has been removed entirely. There is some some similar stuff you can add to "My Tools", but there's no way to get back the widgets themselves.

The edit link at the bottom of the page has been removed. There are other ways of editing a page. You can click "Edit" in a section heading. I'm not sure if it's deliberate or not, but there's no edit button next to level four section headings. Depending on your browser, you can also press Alt + (Shift) + E to edit a page. -- Deltaneos (talk) 09:24, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Dear Wikia[]

Dear Wikia and the people who are in charge of the redesign of the wikia

Please stop whatever the fuck you are doing.

Thank you, --JaT 14:06, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly though, just a couple of weeks ago when you weren't redisgnign the page to make it "better", the whole site worked just fine with my Opera. Everything was smooth to surf, I could have 20 tabs open and still get absolutely no lag. Now the narrowed info boxes look like shit, the pages load forever, IF they load, most of the time the side bar with the search box doesn't appear at all and If I want to click a link or a picture, I most often have to cancel the load of the page first before I can do jack shit. Even now I just got lucky and was able to post with Firefox after 5 or so retries in loading the page.

Seriously, stop. You're only ruining my only source of card information I have and the greatest yugioh site around.

Right, I was finally able to force my way into my preferences through firefox and log in again in Opera, now, tiwth the Monobook (or whatever it was) I'm able to surf without lag. Might I add I don't like this skin either? At least I can bloody search stuff now.

Fix the site. JaT 15:40, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I suppose it wouldn't hurt for us to start working on customizing the Monobook skin some... 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 15:46, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Someone in the Wikia IRC channel mentioned problems with the new skin not working in Opera. I think it's being worked on. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:58, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Uploading images[]

Where is the button to do this located now? I can't find it. Do we just use the "Create Page" button for images too? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:02, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

In the normal view, there's an "add an image" button in the "Images on this wiki" widget. When you're editing a page, there's an "add image" button in the buttons on top of the editing field. You can also add "upload image/file" to "My Tools". The Alt + (Shift) + U shortcut doesn't seem to work. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:45, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:25, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Merging With Another Wiki[]

I am not a frequent editor with the Yu-Gi-Oh Wiki, but I do come here for information from time to time. Since I noticed that this wiki also doesn't seem to like the new theme (like most people), I thought that you guys might want to go independent like many other Wikis have been doing too. There is already another Yu-Gi-Oh Wiki that is separate from Wikia called the Janime Wiki. It is not very well known, but there are a fair amount of articles on there. If some of the administrators were to talk with their staff, you might be able to merge this wiki into that one. Here is a link to their site: http://wiki.janime.eu GamingBuddha (talk • contribs) 08:11, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

The section above on leaving Wikia details how leaving works much better in Wikia's favour than the users who leave.

Besides the two wikis are different in terms of goals. Most notably how they use the original names and prioritise the manga and anime over the card game. I'm sure they created that site to document Yu-Gi-Oh! the way they want, not to just to have any wiki. I think the last thing they want is a copy of this site, which is exactly what it would become if this site's content was copied over.

Even this site was to leave Wikia and Janime did want to merge, I think this site would be better off moving somewhere else without merging. That would be more independent and no there'd be less hassle of compromising. I'm not sure how committed or knowledgeable the person in charge of hosting the Janime wiki is. I think they were asked months ago to add the citation extension, which they don't seem to have yet.

I don't mean to discredit the Janime wiki. I just don't think merging is in either site's interest. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:11, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Just to comment on that whole "leaving is in Wikia's favor" thing, I'd like to point out that WoWWiki decided to leave Wikia, becoming WoWPedia in the process. WoWWiki, historically, has received something like the equivalent of 20% of Wikia's total pageviews ("the equivalent" since WoWWiki has its own domain; by comparison, we're only a bit over 10%). However, after the community left, there hasn't been hardly anyone stepping in to take over, to the point that Wikia staffers are discussing what to do to help it.

If we did leave, we would need to find someone who could handle the traffic, and it's entirely likely we would need to cover at least some operating costs as well (this isn't necessarily an argument against leaving per se, but would definitely be something to keep in mind). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:11, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

The majority of World of Warcraft wiki readers, I guessing, are involved in online communities (counting MMORPGs), so It must be easier to get the word out to them than Yu-Gi-Oh! fans.

The traffic on wowwiki.com (Wikia's site) hasn't dropped too much since the move. The traffic on wowpedia.org is steady too apart from a few days at the start where it was high. The Wikia site still has over six times as much traffic though.

There are still a number of edits being made on the Wikia wiki. Plus staff try to maintain users through giveaways and all-expenses-paid trips O_o. And find reasons to remove access from people who contribute to the fork. There's also the chance that some users might prefer to stay.

On the brighter side. The Transformers wiki left Wikia much earlier and their new domain now gets about four times as much traffic as the Wikia one (rough estimate).

I really don't like how Wikia are emphasizing the "social network" aspects of wikis much more than the encyclopedic, (Blogs? Article comments? Picture attribution? Videos? Badges? Ranking users by EditCount? Calling images/files photos?), not allowing some of them to be disabled and seemingly disregarding what the editors want. But I'd much rather the situation on Wikia get remedied than splitting into two wikis. One thing some wikis thinking about leaving Wikia have considered is turning the Wikia wiki into a fanon/social wiki, while using the forked one as an encyclopedic one. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:06, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. The last thing I have any desire to do is connect my Wiki account to ****ing Facebook. Honestly, from what I've seen, there have been far more negative reactions to all the changes than positive ones (across all wikis I've recently visited). I actually like the idea of merging with the Janime Wiki, though I get the feeling it would be overly complicated to do so. One thing they don't have that they do want is card articles, which we do have, so a merge would benefit them in some way. I do visit the Janime forums, and I get the feeling that there would be major backlash if we kept using dub names for articles (TCG card names not so much though). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:17, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

One thing we do have going for us, no matter what we may decide, is that we form the largest fraction of subdomain pageviews to Wikia, as well as being one of their largest and most active wikis - this means that if there's something related to the new skin that we as a community want changed, there's a somewhat higher chance of Wikia agreeing to change it for us than just some random wiki (this is evident given how Wikia upped the content area's width on WoWWiki by a pretty decent margin). On the downside, though, is that our editor community overall doesn't seem to be very technically inclined, or even inclined to discussion in general, for that matter (no offense intended to anyone, but this is really what I have observed in my time here).

As for my userrights here, if we did end up moving, I wouldn't be particularly attached to them anyways (I doubt I'd continue contributing here in any significant capacity anyways), and I'd also be fine letting the community decide whether I should keep my userrights in the fork or not. I'd have some things to say about Sannse's specific rationales, though, if she were to try them here (there's no point viewing two wikis covering the same topic as "competing", that's ultimately a defeatist attitude, only promoting any perceived strife between the two wikis, and is completely counterproductive). Above all, I would hope that everyone would understand that any decision on our part to leave Wikia would be based entirely on the new skin; any users who wanted to stay here, or to contribute to both wikis, should be allowed to without any grief. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 02:10, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I still suggest speaking to the Janime staff about this proposal. They might be able to help with the techy stuff if you guys need it. I'm sure they would be happy to receive a huge amount of editors and information if you guys did decide to merge with them. Also, I don't think dub vs. sub names is that big of an problem; it could be solved with a simple vote. Regarding the issue of the two competing wikis, I think if a significant enough number of users decided to move to the new one, this wiki would become outdated after a new card set got released. Also I think their staff might be more cooperative than the wikia staff has been, and even if they say no to the merge, it won't hurt to ask. If you need help with with any of this I'm sure that some of the wikis that have already left in the Anti-Wikia Alliance would be more than glad to give it to you. I hope I've been helpful here. ^_^ GamingBuddha (talk • contribs) 05:29, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'm still against merging with the Janime wiki. I don't see any benefits apart from having a link to the site on Janime's main site. Finding new hosting isn't such a big issue that both wikis need to revise all their standards and compromise. I am pretty sure this is something the Janime wiki staff don't want either. I'm not sure what technical support you feel they can offer that we can't handle ourselves.

I've seen that Anti-Wikia Alliance commenting on the central blogs regarding the new skin, but I think they're being slightly immature about it.

Dinoguy: I know you weren't saying that we might get the wider content area specifically. But anyway, WoWWiki has a much higher proportion of users using wider screen resolutions. Next to no one there needs scroll across to see the the siderail with the wider content area. Even if they wanted to give this site the wider content area, it's going to be blocking ads that are supposed to be immediately seen on many users' screens. The GuildWars wiki tried to get the wider content area too, rather than leave Wikia, but were declined. Is there any feature you had in mind of getting changed? I really can't see them giving special treatment without a rational aside from it being a high traffic wiki. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:17, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't pointing to anything in particular, to be honest, simply pointing out the possibility. I wouldn't expect us to get a wider skin anyways (at least not as wide as WoWWiki got), though it would be nice for Wikia staff to at least look at our stats and see if *any* bump is possible. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:35, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

The content area has gotten wider on all Wikia wikis. It looks a lot better now in my opinion. Hopefully that was an intentional change. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:29, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Bah, it's shrunk back the original again. It must have been widened by accident. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:12, December 3, 2010 (UTC)