Forum:Ritual Summons

Okay, so are you allowed to tribute more monsters than necessary for a Ritual Summon? For example, I want to summon Legendary Flame Lord (Level 7). Can I use 2 Level 3s and a Level 8? -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 06:03, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

You don't require the exact level for a Ritual Summon, so long as it meets at least the required level. So while you'd obviously not wanna use up extra monsters (sometimes) I don't think it's against the rules.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 06:33, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes of course you can use more than enough levels, like if I ditched 3 Level 3s for Legendary Flame Lord. However, my question is, can I use more monsters than necessary? Could I ditch the two Level 3s and a Level 8 when the Level 8 alone satisfies the requirement? This came up in a duel earlier and I really want to know for sure. -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 06:40, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

No.--Lê (talk • contribs) 07:21, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I dunno then. Maybe it would depend on the order you tributed them. If you tributed the level 8 first, then I suppose you would already meet the requirements, and any more wouldn't be allowable. But if you sacrificed the two level 3s first, that requires still one more level, so the level 8 monster falls under the "[level here] or more" stipulation.--Kagimizu-Seeya 'round 07:33, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

You must tribute monsters at a same time.--Lê (talk • contribs) 08:10, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

WC11 confirms this.

If you have a level 6 Ritual;

you can send 2 Level 3 monsters, or 1 Level 6.

but you cannot send 1 Level 3 and 1 Level 6.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:31, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

If the ritual spell card requires it to be the exact amount, then you cannot use more monsters than necessary.--DoitForTheLulZ! (talk • contribs) 21:09, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Irrelevent to my question, but thanks.

Is there some sort of source anyone can provide to support what Falzar said? My friend is being difficult and says he wants a source before he believes it. -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:12, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I have no source, but strength in numbers you know. Falzar is correct. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 21:21, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

it's simple: monsters are sent to the grave at the same time, not one after another. You may be able to get more levels than required but you may not pay more than necassary. So, just to simplify the whole thing: When adding the levels you just sort the monster descending to their levels and you can't add more once the required level is reached. -dest- (talk • contribs) 23:57, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you dest. You're pretty much confirming what I already know. My friend will hopefully listen now that more people have said he is wrong. He wants a judge ruling before he believes it, though. -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 19:25, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I HATE to resurrect this thread, but my idiot friends still think you can just dump infinite monsters into a ritual summon, thus making ritual decks based around Djinns incredibly broken. They won't believe anything until there's an actual ruling. But, the problem is, since ritual decks are never used, this situation will never come up in a major tournament. So, is there somewhere or someone (legitimate source) I can get a definitive ruling from? -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:09, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Video games from Konami?--Lê (talk • contribs) 23:06, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

didn't work because "video games can be wrong". -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 23:08, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Some ritual spells allow you to tribute as many monsters as you like as long as you meet or exceed the required level. Some ritual spells will allow you tribute any amount of monsters as long as their combined levels are exactly equal to the required level. Neonian (talk • contribs) 23:24, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, you can't tribute as many as you want, you can only go until you meet or exceed the required level, then you must stop tributing monsters (yes, they do get tributed all at once, technically). I'm just trying to find a source to confirm this. -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 23:31, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... what are the chances of every video game being wrong about this and has never been fixed for years...? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:47, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, for this exact problem I asked my friend, a judge, what the ruling was when the Djinn archetype came out. I saw the same loop that you your friend did. Originally, a Ritual Summon would cause the activator to select monsters until the total level was equal or greater than the required Level. I actually had a Deck featuring this. It was a "Lycanthrope" and "Advanced Ritual Art" to send multiple Level 1 Normal Monsters. Prior to Djinns, there was not a major enough need for a ruling. Due to the Djinns and the way Ritual Summons worked, I asked my judge friend and they asked a Regional Judge.

The answer was what was already stated: Since the monsters all go to the Graveyard at the same time, a player cannot send additional monsters to the Graveyard if the total requirement is already met. The monsters must be the fewest amount of monsters total that combine to equal or surpass the required amount for the Ritual Summon.

For this, if I was to Summon "Lycanthrope", I could send 6 Level 1 Monsters, or 1 Level 2 and 4 Level 1 Monsters. Due to the Level 2 monster, I am incapable of sending a fifth Level 1 Monster, even if I wanted to, due to the fact that the combined total is 7 Level Stars and there is a way to reduce that amount of monsters while still paying the full required amount. There is no official Ruling. This is because no one really argues with a judge unless they want to be thrown out of the tournaments. If your friend still doesn't want to follow the rules of this game, then do not play against them if they do not want to follow that rule. Just say that the rule must be followed if that person is to duel against you. I do the same thing with my friends who play Traditional Format when I only play Advanced Format. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 03:45, November 10, 2011 (UTC)