Forum:Reasons why cards are Forbidden/Limited

Key:
=	It should stay where it is.
↑	Chances are, it would become more Limited.
↓	Chances are, it would become less Limited.
-	Not sure / Please discuss below on what should go in these.
	In the Forbidden List, the chance of them coming off the Forbidden list is in order of Low, Very Low, Never.

• From the creator of the "List of cards to side in to cripple meta decks", comes the...

List of Reasons for why cards are Banned/Limited
Card Name	Reason	Chance of going up/down the list
Forbidden
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End	Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect, high ATK, nuke and burn. Judgment Dragon destroys all cards, while this card Sends all the cards. If you don't finish off your opponent, but you use its effect while you control a monster like Sangan, you can easily gain an advantage over your opponent since they'll be topdecking and you'll have a monster.	Never
Cyber Jar	Unlike Morphing Jar #2, this has a set amount. So it can be abused, allowing the controller can use it to gain advantage easily.	Very Low
Cyber-Stein	Yes, it has a huge cost. But it also foreshadows an instant OTK.	Very Low
Dark Magician of Chaos	Premature Burial / Dimension Fusion are also Forbidden, so the loop can't be made with those cards. It's a strong monster with a very good effect; his effect even works when it's Special Summoned. Dark Armed Return decks are godly with this card. Also, Ice Queen was designed to replace it for spellcaster decks.	Low
Dark Strike Fighter	Easily Synchro Summoned, no Tuner limitations. High ATK for a level 7 Synchro Monster. High burn damage. Can do 4000 damage by itself, so it's too fast for the format. Finishing move.	Very Low
Destiny HERO - Disk Commander	The effect is too powerful, turning ordinary revival cards into Pot of Greeds.	Never
Fiber Jar	Resets everything. Also puts itself back into the deck. If used in a deck with cards like Soul Release, you can slowly Banish your opponent's entire deck, while giving them a smaller deck each time Fiber Jar is used.	Never
Fishborg Blaster	Broken with Formula Synchron, which is now limited. An infinite Glow-Up Bulb, Spore or Plaguespreader Zombie; although limited only to WATER attributes. Fishborg Launcher was designed to replace this card.	Very Low
Glow-Up Bulb	Plant decks were still topping after being hit format after format, Konami must have decided to finally kill them. Easily recyclable through its own effect, but the effect can only be used once per duel. This may have also been a hit to Future Fusion First Turn Quasar decks.	-
Goyo Guardian	Very high ATK for a level 6. Good effect. Summons the opponent's monster right away so it can be used for Synchro/Xyz Summons.	Low
Magical Scientist	Can easily create an FTK with Catapult Turtle. Also, can easily lead to a swarm of Xyz monsters.	Very Low
Magician of Faith	Allows the player to reuse Spells Cards, mostly ones with broken effects like Heavy Storm and Dark Hole. Was part of the Tsukuyomi Lockdown.	Low
Makyura the Destructor	Use this card with cards like Jar of Greed and Legacy of Yata-Garasu to draw through your entire deck.	Never
Mind Master	Maybe Konami really hates FTKs. Very similar to Substitoad (which is also Forbidden), except you pay LP each time (or you can use 1 more card to bypass it). Calm, Silent Gusta can also be abused with this card.	Very Low
Rescue Cat	Instant +1. Abusable by Gladiator Beasts, Naturia, Wind-Ups, Synchro Cat and especially X-Sabers. Decks can spam this (e.g. Dark Desertapir). Too cute for the meta xD	Low
Sinister Serpent	Free discard for costs, etc.	Very Low
Spore	See Glow-Up Bulb.	-
Substitoad	Badly designed card, able to mill most of your deck in one turn. Combos well with Pot of Avarice. See also Frog Burn FTK (The most consistent burn/OTK/FTK deck for March 2010). Tradetoad was designed to be a fair version of it.	Never
Thousand-Eyes Restrict	Very good effect + Lock. Was part of the Goat Control deck. Easily Fusion Summoned with Instant Fusion. Easily revived because of it's low ATK and low level (e.g. Graceful Revival and Limit Reverse). You can use Instant Fusion, use its effect, then Tribute it for a Monarch.	Very Low
Tribe-Infecting Virus	Lightning Vortex on legs, or Snipe Hunter on steroids. Now even more potent due to many archetypes being mainly one Type. Tribe-Shocking Virus was designed to replace it.	Low
Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier	Was easily the best Synchro around. Easy to drop in most Synchro based decks. Banishes a card from 3 different places. Agents could also drop her easily. The loop in Infernities to drop her infinite times may have been a contributing factor as well.	Low
Tsukuyomi	Reusable Book of Moon effect. Hamster, Ryko, Hamster, Ryko ... OMG NOO!!!!! Was part of the Tsukuyomi Lockdown.	Low
Victory Dragon	It's hard to summon, but you win a Match, not a Game. In the TCG, you can Surrender just before that happens. However, the TCG banlist is the exactly the same as the OCG banlist and in the OCG, it's banned because you are only allowed to Surrender after the 10th turn; so unlike the TCG, it's possible for you to pull the effect off, even against experienced players. Also, this is the only Match Winner to not have the line "This card cannot be used in a Duel." So instead, they ban it. Hieratics could drop this easily.	Never
Witch of the Black Forest	We already have 1 universal searcher, and that's limited. This is a more power version of that, able to search out strong key monsters. E.g. Dark Armed Dragon, Monarchs, etc...	Very Low
Yata-Garasu	This card alone, under the right circumstances, can create a lock by itself. see Yata-Garasu Lockdown.	Very Low
Brain Control	This card can win games by itself at the right moment. Essentially a +1, because the opponent loses a monster, and you kinda gain a monster. Very useful for Synchro Summons and then attacking directly. Can be used to gain Tribute fodder.	Low
Butterfly Dagger - Elma	Can make lots of Infinite Loops.	Never
Card of Safe Return	Can be better than Pot of Greed, due to the increasing number of Decks that rely on Graveyard manipulation. Also note that this card was banned just before the release of Absolute Powerforce, which introduced the Inca archetype which would have overly abused this card.	Very Low
Temple of the Kings	Similar effect to Makyura the Destructor (see above). Second effect is just as broken as Metamorphosis (below).	Never
Change of Heart	Better than Brain Control, and that card's also Forbidden. It's also much better than Mind Control, which is limited.	Never
Cold Wave	Freezes backrow for a fairly long time. Preparations for an OTK. Also leaves the opponent vulnerable and unable to defend themselves once you use an effect that destroys their backrow.	Very Low
Confiscation	Look at opponent's hand and discard anything for a fairly low cost. AKA 1 for 1 card + see opponent's hand bonus.	Very Low
Delinquent Duo	This 1 card kills 2 of your opponent's cards in their hand.	Very Low
Dimension Fusion	Too many good combos. Was abused with Dark Armed Dragon to clear the opponent's field and swarm your own, forming an OTK.	Very Low
Giant Trunade	Clears back field and prepares for OTK. Not as potent as Heavy Storm as the S/Ts can be re-Set by your opponent on the next turn, though it also allows you to re-Set your S/T defense after its use as well. Probably banned since Heavy Storm was needed to prevent the Set everything on first turn for game strategies, and we don't need another mass S/T removing card. It can also allow certain cards to be reused, such as the now-Semi-Limited Swords of Revealing Light.	Low
Graceful Charity	Too fast. You draw before you discard. Sets up Graveyard. Can be better than Pot of Greed in certain decks, such as Dark World or Fabled.	Never
Harpie's Feather Duster	Too powerful. Heavy Storm at 1 is enough, and this card is much more powerful that that.	Never
Last Will	Mainly was banned for making the extremely fast Turtle FTK. Nowadays it remains banned, because of Synchros, Monarchs and much more. After activation, its effect can even be used during battle phase. Universal Searcher.	Very Low
Mass Driver	Abused in many Decks to form a FTK, since it does not use up the Normal Summon and can be used multiple times a turn.	Very Low
Metamorphosis	Too many good combos. Notable ones include Beast King Barbaros → Cyber Twin Dragon and Metal Reflect Slime → Cyber End Dragon, Destiny End Dragoon or Naturia Extrio.	Very Low
Mirage of Nightmare	Too fast *cough*darkworld/fabled*cough*. If it gets destroyed, you don't need to discard, so it's as good as Pot of Greed. Also combos with Emergency Provisions extremely well.	Very Low
Painful Choice	You don't lose hand advantage. Gets a good card or send cards that work well in the grave; similar to activating 4 Foolish Burials at once.	Very Low
Pot of Greed	Too fast, no cost, everyone would use it. While it's true that it would increase the speed of slower decks; it would help decks that already have draw power even more (as they would use their draw power to draw into this card more often).	Never
Premature Burial	Fast, good combos, can be reused fairly easily. Loops with cards like Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier. There are combos that allow 1 Special Summon per turn through cards like Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier, Falcon of Mist Valley, etc. Searchable and reusable via Hidden Armory.	Very Low
Raigeki	Too powerful. Dark Hole is Limited, we don't need another card that destroys all monsters and this card only destroys the opponent's monsters.	Never
Snatch Steal	Too powerful, near permanent control. Opponent's LP gain can be offset by stealing a strong monster and consistently attacking with it, or by Tributing or Synchro Summoning with the target. Searchable and reusable via Hidden Armory.	Very Low
The Forceful Sentry	A Confiscation (above) with no cost. Returns the card to the deck rather than discarding it to the Graveyard. Having a card in the Graveyard is usually considered to be better that having it in the Deck.	Never
Crush Card Virus	Kills almost everything for 3 turns, and covers both the field, hand, and future draws. Can even be combo'ed with Sangan or Plaguespreader Zombie or even Necro Gardna to utilise their effects.	Very Low
Exchange of the Spirit	Really awesome in a Lightsworn, Future Fusion Machines/Worms and Magical Merchant Turbo decks. Can also fuel an OTK by emptying the opponent's Deck on their very first turn.	Very Low
Imperial Order	Powerful Spell lock via a Continuous Effect. You even have the option to lift the two-way Spell lock by not paying the cost. While Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8 and Naturia Beast can do the same thing, these effects start a chain, allowing for a Counter Trap to negate these effects.	Never
Last Turn	An instant win is guaranteed when you control a monster that prevents your opponent from Special Summoning.	Never
Ring of Destruction	Mainly was banned for causing too many draws in Tournaments and messing up Ranked Games. Lethal when combined with cards like Barrel Behind the Door or Spell of Pain.	Never
Royal Oppression	1 card to continuously stop a large amount of cards and cripple a large number of decks with a fairly low cost. Some decks abuse the fact that it cannot be used in the Damage Step. Blackwings can use this card in their deck fairly well. Can stop a larger variety of cards than Solemn Warning, which has a larger cost, can only be used once.	Low
Sixth Sense	Banned so that psychics can't cheat, jk. This is potentially one of the strongest forms of draw power, being able to draw up to 6 cards from one effect. The drawback is also potentially beneficial, especially with more Graveyard-reliant Decks.	Never
Time Seal	Forces the opponent to skip a draw phase, which is lethal when they are topdecking. Unlike Drastic Drop Off, this card can be chained anytime, making it much better, also with Mask of Darkness at 3, lockdown decks could take unfair advantage.	Very Low
Trap Dustshoot	Devastating to the opponent if played on them during their first turn. Broken with 2 Mind Crushes. Many thought that the opponent having to have at least 4 cards in hand was not a fair enough restriction. But, it is a horrrible topdeck.	Low
Limited
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning	Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect, high ATK. Honest can be used on his first attack, then the 2nd attack would be deadly. See also: Chaos.	Chance of ↑
Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind	Can be Special Summoned. A reusable permanent Shrink. Universal Tuner.	=
Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow	Can easily turn battles around in Blackwing Decks. Unlike Honest, it can even be used when attacking directly for massive damage.	=
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier	Epic effect, can be used more than once per turn, can clear field by itself. Sets up Graveyard.	=, Low chance of ↑
Dark Armed Dragon	Can be Special Summoned easily. Specific destructive power. High ATK. See Dark Armed Return and Teleport Dark Armed.	=, Low chance of ↑
Dandylion	Compulsory effect. Gives lots of advantage most of the time. Re-usable in many decks, creates Tokens that can be used for Synchro or Tribute Summons. Effect also triggers when it enters the Graveyard through any means.	=
Debris Dragon	Highly useable with the number of Level 3 monsters with very low ATK like Lonefire Blossom or Dandylion. Can easily make LV7 Synchros like Black Rose Dragon, or higher-level monsters if Tokens are present on the field. With GUB and Spore banned, Plant Synchro is dead and this could become less restricted. See also: Lonefire Blossom (below)	=, Chance of ↓
Elemental Hero Stratos	Searcher that triggers on Normal or Special Summon, and can search himself. Has decent ATK. You basically lose no advantage playing this card. Easily searched by other cards, such as E - Emergency Call and Reinforcement of the Army. Was part of the Airblade Turbo deck, the top deck of the September 2006 Format.	=
Exodia the Forbidden One	With more draw cards coming out, and more stall cards coming out... Although unlikely, if 1 of the pieces becomes Forbidden, then the other 4 can be unlimited.	=, Very Low chance of ↑
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Formula Synchron	Easily Summoned with cards like Glow-Up Bulb (which is now Forbidden) and tokens made by Dandylion. Crazy when played with T.G. Hyper Librarian.	=, Low Chance of ↓
Gladiator Beast Bestiari	Required to Summon Gladiator Beast Gyzarus, and also as a key means of S/T removal. Limiting this will solve both problems.	=, Very Low chance of ↓
Gorz the Emissary of Darkness	Stops OTKs AND Special Summons a good Token.	=
Honest	Very good effect. Allows your monster to run over any other monster, and deal decent damage. Easily reused with Beckoning Light. Abusable with BLS.	=
Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En	Even with Gateway limited, Six Samurais were still a force to be reckoned with. Shi En is a very easy Synchro for Six Samurais to bring out, having the same ATK as Stardust Dragon and a better negation effect. It also has the 'My Buddy as a Shield' effect to prevent it from being destroyed.	=
Lonefire Blossom	Search and Special Summon ANY plant; this includes Tuners, Mystic Tomato, Tytannial, Princess of Camellias, etc. Doppel-plants and quite a few other plant type decks were also topping tournaments for a long while. Formerly abused in Synchrocentric, but not as good anymore with Glow-Up Bulb and Spore banned.	=, Low Chance of ↓
Mezuki	As if Zombies didn't have enough revival power.	=, Very Low chance of ↓
Morphing Jar	High draw power. Sets up Graveyard. However, the opponent can also abuse this.	=
Necroface	Necromill OTK	=, Very Low chance of ↓
Neo-Spacian Grand Mole	Can create locks. Easily takes out Synchro, Fusion and Ritual Monsters.	=
Night Assailant	Must be at 1 otherwise this card will just search for the other one and a loop will be created	=
Plaguespreader Zombie	Top decks a card (Infernity Archfiend anyone?). Universal Tuner.	=, Low Chance of ↓
Sangan	Universal searcher.	=
T.G. Hyper Librarian	Super splashable, low level with decent ATK, works when either player Synchro Summons.	=
T.G. Striker	T.G. Agents were one of the top decks in Japan. Easily search by the other T.G. monsters. Has the Cyber Dragon effect (which would then lead to a Warwolf Special Summon).	-
The Agent of Mystery - Earth	Another hit to T.G. Agents. Was like Stratos for Agents, and he's limited. Putting this to 1 gets rid of 2 targets for summoning Master Hyperion.	=, Low Chance of ↓
Advanced Ritual Art	See Heralds combo and Demise/Doom OTK decks.	=
Allure of Darkness	The most splashable draw card since Pot of Greed.	=
Black Whirlwind	Fairly similar to the Forbidden card Card of Safe Return. Gives major Hand Advantage to Blackwing decks. Kalut Stacking >_>	=, Very Low chance of ↓
Book of Moon	With the OCG revoking Priority from Ignition Effect monsters, Book of Moon can easily render these monsters harmless and vulnerable by immediately responding to their Summons.	=
Burial from a Different Dimension	Can abuse cards like Mezuki, Plaguespreader Zombie, Necro Gardna, Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor, etc.	=
Card Destruction	Sets up your Hand and possibly Graveyard. Can mess up, or help out with, the opponent's Hand, but can also set up their Graveyard. Works very well with Dark World and Fabled.	=
Charge of the Light Brigade	It's like RotA, but for Lightsworns, and it also mills.	=, Very Low chance of ↓
Dark Hole	Fairly Powerful and with no cost, but then again, Starlight Road makes it harder to play.	=, Low chance of ↑
Foolish Burial	Lots of decks rely on the Graveyard a lot. Works well with Wulf, Lightsworn Beast, Plaguespreader Zombie, etc.	=, Low chance of ↓
Future Fusion	Gives Fusion Monsters a chance. However it can be abused and used as a Foolish Burial x(2+). It can also OTK with Overload Fusion.	=
Gateway of the Six	Can gain counters when Six Samurai monsters are Normal and Special Summoned. With the introduction of Legendary Six Samurai monsters that can Special Summon themselves, and the ability for Gateway to remove from anywhere on your side of the field, 2 or more of these would result in constant searching of Six Samurai monsters for every Summon.	=, Low Chance of ↑
Heavy Storm	This on first turn is usually catastrophic for the opponent, and not everyone manages to set Starlight Road on their first turn. However, it also prevents the Set everything on first turn for game strategies.	=, Low Chance of ↑
Infernity Launcher	It may seem like a +1, but with Infernity Archfiend, a very deadly +lots loop can be made.	=
Limiter Removal	Easy OTK in Machine decks.	=
Mind Control	Similar to Brain Control, but for Synchro Summoning / Effect uses only.	=, Low Chance of ↑
Monster Gate	Was used a lot by Turbo and OTK decks. Abusable in Hieratics.	=
Monster Reborn	Fast. No cost. Special Summon from either Graveyard. Further punishes the opponent if you manage to destroy a strong monster they control (e.g. Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning).	=, Low chance of ↑
One for One	Formerly abused in Frog OTK, Mind Master OTK, and Plant Synchro. Now that Substitoad, Mind Master, and Glow-Up Bulb and Spore are Forbidden, this could come back to assist slower decks like Morphtronics and Fortune Ladies.	Low Chance of ↓
Pot of Avarice	Seems to be really good in certain decks, recycling cards like Reborn Tengu. Plants abused this card, but the March 2012 lists killed Plant Synchro.	Chance of ↓
Primal Seed	As long as an Envoy is here, this must be at 1 to prevent loops, in particular, OTK and FTK loops: 2 Primal Seed + Macro Cosmos/Banisher of the Radiance + Anything you want to reuse indefinitely = win For example a FTK would be: On your first turn, you Hand Destruction 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK. Then Special Summon the Envoy. Then Normal Summon Banisher of the Radiance. Now, activate Sparks, activate Primal Seed to get Sparks and 1 of the Banished cards, activate the same Sparks, activate Primal Seed to get Primal Seed and Sparks and repeat for Sparks FTK!!! You can do this with any Effect Damage cards, or things like Limiter Removal, Rush Recklessly, etc.	=, unless Envoy banned again
Reasoning	Was used a lot by Turbo and OTK decks. Free Monster or easily dumps Monster to Graveyard, both can be beneficial.	=
Reinforcement of the Army	This card adds additional speed to Lightsworns, Six Samurai, HEROs, Inzektors (grabs Dark Grepher or Armageddon Knight), and Infernities (for the same reason as Inzektors). If some of those decks became less powerful, this could go to 2.	=, Low chance of ↓
Scapegoat	Stalls quite a bit. However, there are more cards that Pierce now. Allows for the Synchro Summoning of almost any Synchro. Was part of the Goat Control deck, but most of the key cards of that deck are either Limited or Forbidden.	Low chance of ↓
Ceasefire	Under the right conditions, it can inflict major burn damage. Finishing move.	=
Return from the Different Dimension	OTK decks use this. If you Special Summon Jinzo, along with many strong monsters, then you've basically won.	=
Magical Explosion	See Magical Explosion FTK	=
Mirror Force	Solid game changer. However, now that Starlight Road and THRIO are out, you need to be more careful when using this card.	=
Solemn Judgment	Halving your LP to activate a card is very fair (If you're winning, you pay more; if you're losing, you pay less), but to negate basically anything...	=
The Transmigration Prophecy	OCG stall decks use this with D.D. Borderline. Also, it must be at 1 otherwise this card will just return another copy of itself and a loop will be created. Pot of Benevolence does the same thing, but that can't be chained to an effect, and that removes itself so it can't return another copy of itself.	=
Wall of Revealing Light	Facing three in an Exodia Deck with LP recovery would be a real pain. It should stay Limited unless we get more bounce/destroy cards. Also abusable with Last Turn, which is banned. See also: Magical Explosion FTK.	=
Semi-Limited
Archlord Kristya	Strong ATK, seals Special Summons, and is difficult to get rid of since it goes back to the top of the Deck instead of the Graveyard.	=
Card Trooper	Can be a good beatstick for 1 turn. Sets up the Graveyard for many decks. When it dies, you draw 1, so no advantage lost. Machine Duplication can be used, so at max, it can be at 2. 3 is not likely, but not impossible.	=, almost certain
Destiny Hero - Malicious	His effect can't be used if at 1. If at 3, the advantages will be too high (especially with Synchro Summons) so...	=, almost certain
Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier	There's an OTK loop with Symbol of Heritage and Mass Driver; if you have 3 Dewloren's in the Graveyard. The banning of Mass Driver made that OTK loop impossible. There is still another OTK which involves Symbol of Heritage, which is definitely not going to be Limited, so this will be hit instead. Call of the Haunted can also be recycled with this card.	=, definitely
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner	Easy effect that special summons a "Lightsworn" monster from the graveyard. Gives uses to cards that are useless in the hand (e.g. Wulf, Lightsworn Beast). Nice mill effect. Lightsworns were very inconsistent, so it made sense to give them a boost.	=
Marshmallon	Relatively hard to kill. Instantly inflicts 1000 damage, which is quite a lot. However, Spirit Reaper went back to 3, so it seems inevitable that this will go back to 3 also.	=, Chance of ↓
Necro Gardna	Easily used in Lightsworns, and with Burial from a Different Dimension (however, this is Limited).	=, Chance of ↓
Reborn Tengu	Replaces itself when it leaves the field. Doesn't care about being Banished. Abusable in Synchro decks. Similar to Destiny HERO - Malicious, which is also at 2. However, is a shocker because it is the first TCG Exclusive to show up on the banlist (not counting Allure of Darkness, which was an emergency Semi-Limit).	-
Summoner Monk	Monk → Monk → Cat = Pwn, but with Cat now Forbidden, this combo doesn't work any more. He's a Spellcaster, so Arcanite Magician can be Synchro Summoned. Easy Rank 4 Xyz Monster, maybe Konami is promoting people to buy Xyz Monsters.	-
Tragoedia	Stops OTK AND has other good effects, maybe Konami is promoting people to buy Xyz Monsters.	=, Low chance of ↑
Chain Strike	Key card of Chain Burn decks such as Chain Strike OTK.	=, Low Chance of ↓
Destiny Draw	Works very well with Destiny Hero - Malicious. Was a semi-universal draw engine, however not used as much now.	=
Emergency Teleport	With Mind Master gone and Tele-DAD dead, it's only fair that this goes to 2 to help Psychic decks.	=
Level Limit - Area B	Excellent stalling device for no cost, effectively locking out most Decks that use lots of high-level monsters. However, it does not affect Xyz Monsters, and Konami is promoting people to buy them. Similar to Gravity Bind, which went back to 3.	-
Magical Stone Excavation	Allows quick reuse of major Spell Cards. Its heavy cost is often circumvented in Diamond Dude Turbo Decks.	-
Royal Tribute	Particularly disruptive when used on the very first turn, leaving one vulnerable and unable to retrieve what has been lost because of Necrovalley.	=
Shien's Smoke Signal	Maybe Konami felt that they over-hit Six Sams with the September 2011 lists. Grabs key Samurais like Kageki. Seems like an odd boost for Sams after they just won a YCS.	=
Swords of Revealing Light	Stalls for quite a long time. You can still attack while the opponent cannot. With Xyz Monsters making Level Limit and Gravity Bind less useful, why not?	-
Bottomless Trap Hole	Very powerful 1 for 1 card. Removes the monster upon Summon. Staple. With the removal of Ignition Priority in the OCG (and removal pending for the TCG), this card has gotten even better.	=, Low chance of ↑
Magic Cylinder	Negates an attack and inflicts major burn damage. Finishing move. Moved off the Limited List, perhaps, to discourage OTKs via a monster with high ATK.	=
Mind Crush	1 for 1 card. You don't really need to be a psychic to use this card. "Salvage/Dark Factory of Mass Production, Sangan, Gold Sarcophagus, Machina Gearframe, Gadgets, etc. Allows you to know what card they have. Also, this card owns Ritual Monsters, when the activate their Ritual Spell Card, chain this and call the name of their Monster; a 2 for 1. Can be one-sided in Dark World/Fabled.	=
Ojama Trio	Clogs the field with nigh-unuseable Tokens, though if a Tuner is present they can be removed via a Synchro Summon.	=
Torrential Tribute	Most likely brought to 2 to hurt decks that swarm like Inzektors and Wind-Ups. Punishes over-extending, and can easily be stopped with Starlight Road and THRIO in most situations.	Low chance of ↑
Solemn Warning	A lot of effects that Special Summon are present in the game. 2000 LP is almost always worth breaking a loop that would otherwise generate several large monsters.	=
Ultimate Offering	In Gadget decks, this can allow you to swarm the field with Rank 4 Xyz Monsters.	-
Unlimited
Abyss Soldier	Semi Limited from April '05 to Sept '05 due to its abuse with Sinister Serpent, allowing free bouncing, once per turn. After Sinister Serpent got Forbidden, this came off the list.	=
Apprentice Magician	With Magician of Faith limited, people used this card to search her. Nephthys Decks also used her to search Hand of Nephthys to quickly summon Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys. Then this card came off as Magician of Faith became banned. The Apprentice Magician / Old Vindictive Magician Monarch combo didn't really contribute to it's initial semi-limitation.	=
Black Rose Dragon	Universal Nuke. See also, Debris-Hime deck.	-
Breaker the Magical Warrior	Back when it was banned/limited, +1 cards were overpowered, Breaker lets you destroy a card almost for free and you'll still have a monster; or you could leave it as a 1900 Beatstick which is quite a lot at the time.	=
Chaos Sorcerer	Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect. However, relatively low ATK.	-
Cyber Dragon	Can be Special Summoned easily. Good ATK. Usable in many decks. However, there are increasing amounts of new decks that can Special Summon "a bunch of monsters in one turn", so older decks need this. Also, the opponent can use Chimeratech Fortress Dragon against you if you're using machines as well (e.g. Morphtronics, Salvo, Gadgets).	=, Low chance of ↑
D.D. Assailant	Back when this was initially hit, Warrior Toolbox decks were Tier 1.	-
D.D. Warrior Lady	Same as D.D. Assailant (above). Also, this card had the option of removing the monster, or not to remove the monster. This card also doesn't need to be destroyed by battle to remove the opponent's monster, just battling it will do, hence why this came off the list a while after Assailant.	=
Demise, King of Armageddon	See Demise/Doom OTK. The lack of such Decks in the meta, however, resulted in this card coming off the list.	-
Exiled Force	Same as D.D. Assailant (above).	-
Goblin Zombie	Very good searcher. In a Zombie deck, it can be more abuseable than Sangan or Witch of the Black Forest because of their revival power. Not many people would use 3 anyways.	-
Green Baboon	Before, it was allowed to be Special Summoned when a Beast was destroyed by battle or by a card effect. This was rather good with a relatively low cost for high ATK. Now, they changed the ruling and it can't be used during the Damage Step, so destroying by battle won't Trigger its effect.	=
Injection Fairy Lily	She was considered to be too fast and too strong for the format at the time. Now there are decks other than beatdown types, so this came off.	=
Jinzo	Very popular early in the game's history since the game was slow enough to allow for monsters to be Tribute Summoned. Then the metagame picked up speed, where Special Summons became more favourable, and Jinzo dwindled in popularity due to both Royal Decree and presence of better monsters to Special Summon. Naturia Bamboo Shoot is also a Tribute monster, but it also stops Spells and not just Traps, although it is less spashable.	=
Manticore of Darkness	There is an OTK with this card (but it's too inconsistent with the current format), and it worked well with Card of Safe Return (now banned).	=
Marauding Captain	Same as D.D. Assailant (above).	=
Dark Scorpion - Chick the Yellow	This + Makyura + Call of the Haunted = OTK, but Makyura is now banned and this card is bad.	=, certain
Mask of Darkness	Well, Royal Oppression became Limited when this became Unlimited, not that anyone was using this card anyway.	-
Judgment Dragon	Can be Special Summoned easily. Low cost to nuke the Field except itself. 3000 ATK. Double JD is just broken, especially when they can be returned to your hand with Beckoning Light. However, in the OCG with the new Priority ruling change, the increase of anti-Special Summon of high level/LIGHT (chaos) cards, and Lightsworns not topping much might have been the reason to unlimit this. Consensus seems to say this card should be banned, and Lumina should be unlimited instead.	Chance of ↑
Morphing Jar 2	A very potent field-disrupter, freezing the battle phase and eating up Nomis and Tribute monsters the moment it was flipped. This is probably why it was Semi, until '05 when destroying monsters with effects became more popular than battle, giving a very good way to circumvent its Flip Effect. It probably disappeared off the meta then, and so went back to unlimited.	-
Protector of the Sanctuary	Formerly abused with things like Time Seal and Yata-Garasu as an additional layer of insurance for such a lock since the opponent could only break the lock by drawing with a card effect. Time Seal and Yata-Garasu soon got banned, leaving no reason to limit Protector of the Sanctuary.	=
Raiza the Storm Monarch	Raiza was overused in Monarch decks, and that was Tier 1. Caius was released, along with other faster decks so this was let off. Caius is now considered to be better anyways.	=
Reflect Bounder	At the time they limited this, Chaos decks were Tier 1. The Envoys were also banned as this time, but they realised that this didn't really need to be hit as hitting the Envoys were enough, so this later this came off.	=
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys	At the time when it was Limited, destruction by effects were the metagame, especially with Gadget Decks using this to its fullest. Nephthys could come back persistently, destroying backrow at the same time. Then the metagame picked up speed with both Chainable Traps and Removal Decks becoming more popular, and use of Nephthys died down.	=
Snipe Hunter	Formerly abused in Gadget Decks due to massive hand advantage to fuel its effect. The lack of Gadget Decks around resulted in it coming off the list.	=
Spirit Reaper	Can't be destroyed by battle, but unlike Marshmallon, it destroys itself the moment it is Targetted. Its other effect is great, except against Dark World; guess what theme the new Structure Deck was.	-
Twin-Headed Behemoth	Monarch decks used to run 3 at the time, keeping a monster to Tribute on the field whether it was destroyed by battle or by a card effect. Then a new ruling was made: "The effect of "Twin-Headed Behemoth" can only be used ONCE throughout the entirety of the Duel. Even if your Deck includes three copies of the card, between those three copies the effect can only be used once, not once each." This card became unlimited after that ruling was released, and Monarchs then received Treeborn Frog and that replaced this card, even if the ruling wasn't made.	=, certain
Treeborn Frog	Yes it's a free Tribute, but you can only activate 1 anyway. So limiting isn't going to do much. Semi-Limit is still OK because the new removal cards tend to remove 2 at once.	=, Low chance of ↑
Vampire Lord	See Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys (above).	=
Book of Taiyou	Formerly abused in Empty Jar Decks to force the activation of Cyber Jar and Morphing Jar 2.	=
Fissure	A 'one for one' card that was rarely used outside of Gadget decks, and faster decks that could cope were made, so this came off.	=
Gold Sarcophagus	Adds any card from your deck to your Hand. Removes the card face-up. However takes 2 turns before the card actually gets to your Hand, which is rather slow.	-
Lightning Vortex	Limited due to abuse with Sinister Serpent for cheap frying of the opponent's face-up monsters. It still saw some abuse since there were 2 Night Assailants still on the list. It finally came off the Limited status after Night Assailant hit 1 on the next list.	=
Megamorph	Doubling original ATK can be a lot, sometimes enough to OTK. The drawback of halving when you have more LPs isn't too bad either as you can equip it to your opponent's monsters. Also, Equip Spells are still bad and have gotten worse now that we have 3 MSTs.	-
Mystical Space Typhoon	Fast. Staple. 1 for 1 card.	-
Overload Fusion	Back then, Future Fusion and Chimeratech Overdragon combo provided a large beatstick, nowadays, beatsticks don't mean as much. Also, Future Fusion is Limited anyways.	-
Smashing Ground	Fissure became Unlimited in the format before this came down, so this followed.	-
United We Stand	Yes it makes monsters into bigger beatsticks, but with so many cards to stop it... (e.g. Book of Moon, Dimensional Prison, etc.)	-
Upstart Goblin	Back then, Makyura Exodia decks were everywhere. Then they realised that Makyura was the thing that needed to be banned.	=
Call of the Haunted	Must fairer speed when compared to its Spell counterparts. Can't be abused multiple times per turn (unlike Premature Burial). Can only special summon from your own graveyard (unlike Monster Reborn). Like Magic Cylinder, top decks didn't play this card much, so it was probably dropped for the same reason. Most people who use it wouldn't use 3.	-
Icarus Attack	Powerful Chainable 2 for 2 card, which made Blackwings lethal. Now that they aren't topping much, and with Heavy Storm and 3 MSTs, this could come back down.	-
Drop Off	This got limited at the same time Time Seal initially got banned. Then they realised that stopping a Draw is completely different than discarding the drawn card, with decks which use the graveyard more often, and being a 'one for one' card, this came off.	=
Good Goblin Housekeeping	Back then, this Draw power was extremely good. It's bad now.	=
Gravity Bind	Stalls a lot, but Konami is promoting people to buy Xyz Monsters, which aren't affected by it. See also Level Limit - Area B (above).	-
Reckless Greed	People wanted to stack these cards together... then was unlimited again when fair shuffling techniques were enforced. JK, see why Upstart Goblin (above) was limited.	=
Royal Decree	1 card to continuously stop a large amount of cards. Works well in Herald decks to prevent the activation of Counter Trap Cards.	-
Skill Drain	1 card to continuously stop a large amount of cards. Works well with cards such as Beast King Barbaros. See also: Skill Drain Deck	-

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This list is for the people who are curious about why certain cards are banned/limited.

This list can also assist people before posting a prediction on the next banlist.

Please help out by pointing out changes that should be made in the list (if any) (please include reasons).

Keep in mind that the TCG banlist is exactly the same as the OCG banlist (minus the OCG exclusives). So, reasons should be based on the OCG rulings. (adding a note to those would be appreciated, something like the one on Victory Dragon.)

And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.

See also: Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart. --  Falzar FZ  talk page  useful stuff    07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

My thoughts

• Fishborg blaster:Very low.Strict conditions but is soo good.also WATER monsters are beginning to gain support from the new ZEXAL.
• Time Seal:NEVER! no cost and with the new Inzektors loops topdecking is now not so hard to happen.
• Level Limit Area B:Low chance of down.well same as the unlimited gravity bind except that it changes battle positions (Morphtronic) and it can be activated instantly.probably semi'd.

LG (talk • contribs) 16:40, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Does anybody else think Tragoedia might have a high chance of going to unlimited? Hardly anybody uses it at more than 1 anyway, except maybe Monster Mash. Also, Exchange of the Spirit should go to NEVER because it's horrifically broken, Metamorphosis should go to LOW because it's too fast right now, and I think Thousand-Eyes Restrict should go from very low to LOW because I don't see many decks that would run it except maybe Monarchs and they aren't top-tier now. 99.164.87.12 (talk) 18:10, February 1, 2012 (UTC) UPDATE: maybe not, I just remembered Limit Reverse and Synchro Summoning lol

Before March 2010

Thought I'd add a few reasons to the cards that were unlimited before March 2010.

• Abyss Soldier
• Exiled Force
• Jinzo
• Lightning Vortex
• Morphing Jar #2
• Protector of the Sanctuary
• Vampire Lord
• Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys

This is a list of the cards which I wasn't sure about, so if anyone has any ideas on these (or any that I missed), feel free to post in this section. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:59, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

1. Abyss Soldier was Semi'd from April '05 to Sept '05 due to its abuse with Sinister Serpent, allowing infinite bouncing once each turn. After Sinister Serpent got Forbidden, Abyss Soldier possibly dwindled in use, and came back to Unlimited.
2. Exiled Force was a very useful tool in the Warrior Toolbox. As the popularity of the Toolbox dwindled it eventually came off the list.
3. Jinzo was popular early in the game's history since the game was slow enough to allow for monsters to be Tribute Summoned. Then the metagame picked up speed, where Special Summons became more favourable, and Jinzo dwindled in popularity due to both Royal Decree and presence of better monsters to Special Summon. Jinzo went back to unlimited possibly due to the Jinzo support popping up in Light of Destruction, and possibly stayed unlimited since its change in status didn't affect its use.
4. Lightning Vortex was Limited due to abuse with Sinister Serpent for cheap frying of the opponent's face-up monsters. It still saw some abuse since there were 2 Night Assailants still on the list. It finally came off the Limited status after Night Assailant hit 1 on the next list.
5. Morphing Jar 2 was a very potent field-disrupter, freezing the battle phase and eating up Nomis and Tribute monsters the moment it was flipped. This is probably why it was Semi, until '05 when destroying monsters with effects became more popular than battle, giving a very good way to circumvent its Flip Effect. It probably disappeared off the meta then, and so went back to unlimited.
6. Protector of the Sanctuary was formerly abused with things like Time Seal and Yata-Garasu as an additional layer of insurance for such a lock since the opponent could only break the lock by drawing with a card effect. Time Seal and Yata soon got banned, leaving no reason to limit Protector of the Sanctuary.
7. Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys and its Decks were popular back in '06. Back then, destruction with effects were all the rage, and Sacred Phoenix was nigh-unkillable with destruction effects, providing a Heavy Storm effect each time they tried to kill it that way. Eventually, the metagame picked up its pacing with RFG and more chainable cards coming into fashion, and Nephthys dwindled in popularity. Should now explain why it's unlimited now. This should also explain Vampire Lord and Zombie Decks in that day.

That's the best I can come up with to explain the above cards. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 11:55, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nice. Adding. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:20, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

March 2010

To start things off...
Why is Metamorphosis banned when Thousand-Eyes Restrict is also banned? Isn't that the main reason?
Did Konami ban Victory Dragon because they can? because there's something called surrendering. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Metamorphosis can still summon some very strong Fusion Monsters easily. For Victory Dragon, you have to understand that although you can surrender anytime during the duel in the TCG, you can only surrender starting from the 10th turn in the OCG so it still makes Victory Dragon very BROKEN.-- HHTurtle ^Talk   06:09, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

So since Metamorphosis is now banned, do you think they'll eventually take Thousand-Eyes Restrict off the banlist?--76.27.8.201 (talk) 07:25, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I highly doubt that it will come off the list. When used properly, it's better than Gravity Bind and Level Limit - Area B. I've added the combo above. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:43, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Metal Reflect Slime + Cyber End Dragon.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 15:41, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. Adding + slight expansion on the topic. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm right there with you on the Ojama Trio, RoTA, and Judgement Dragon bits for sure. Everything else I'm pretty neutral about though. Goblinpunch787

Good to hear that you don't specifically disagree to anything. This list is supposed to be something that almost everyone can generally agree on. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed that each card has a reason next to it. nice! Thanks for those who contributed.
Now to do the "Chances" column. I would prefer it if no one changes this column (to prevent edit wars). Instead, please post below and discuss them. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ojama Trio is "not less limited" for good reason. The only way to turn Ojama Trio on it's head for general decks is to tune them, but when you don't have a tuner, it clogs your field to prevent swarming of any more than 2 monsters, and stops all kinds of other stuff. It's another OTK stopper, It makes Ojama Decks practically unstoppable, and there are also many ways to abuse it to create OTKs. I totally agree with pretty much everything else, entirely. Great list. NecrofearNorleras (talk • contribs) 14:55, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the guy above me. I'm not sure if you guys know of this but there was an annoying deck in the OCG when Ojama Trio was released. You activate Ground Collapse during your turn and then activate Ojama Trio during your opponent's turn, preferably during the Draw Phase or Standby Phase. This will cause your opponent to have no real use of their monster zones. It was really annoying and broken.-- HHTurtle ^Talk   16:22, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

If you have a Tuner, can't you switch the token to ATK mode, suicide (with 0 ATK >.<), then summon a Tuner and Synchro for a level 5-8 monster? But still, I'll consider changing that a bit. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:50, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

There's something that shouldn't be there. Changing Decree, Oppression and Drain: = → - until it's further discussed.
Their strengths are too different. Oppression might be Limited, while the other 2 may stay imo. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, Victory Dragon ain't broken anymore, due to many removable - Fissure, Smashing Ground, Lightning Vortex, Mirror Force, Bottomless Trap Hole, etc. So why is it stay on banlist, eh? Oh yes, no one playing Match duel when come to him. --FredCat100 (talk • contribs) 19:01, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

The problem with victory dragon is since they ALWAYS could possibly win the match, even if you won 2 of three, you must play the third game, since they could win the match still--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 15:45, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

I heard somewhere it was banned to prevent player arguments when people forfeit right before it attacks directly. 99.164.87.12 (talk) 18:17, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

September 2010

• Updating and...
• Correct

• Brain Control - It was on chance on going up, which was right.
• Rescue Cat - up, which was right.
• Monster Reborn - low chance of coming down, right.
• Dark Hole - low chance of coming down, right.
• Royal Oppression - I knew this was going up, which is why I split the cont. trap trio
• Mystical Space Typhoon - chance of coming down, right.
• Chaos Sorcerer - chance of coming down, right.
• Ojama Trio - chance of coming down, right.
• Goblin Zombie - was on my prediction list for March, a bit late, but I was right.
• Treeborn Frog - Well, I did say read the card.
• United We Stand - I kinda knew this, with the list of so many ways to stop it.

• Incorrect

• Magic Cylinder
• Black Rose Dragon
• Cyber Dragon
• Heavy Storm

• Not Predicted

• Black Whirlwind
• Snipe Hunter
• Royal Decree

• New

• Substitoad
• Infernity Launcher
• Trishula

• Seems like this list is pretty accurate xD -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:34, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

You should update harpie's feather duster and Change of heart in your list since they say that heavy storm and Brain control are still limited. Jens (talk • contribs) 18:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:36, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Corrected position of Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 14:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it was right before. Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain are still Semi. Only Decree went to Unlimited. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:20, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

(struck my elbow on Falzar's chest) don't forget that Royal Oppression is limited, so to not confused it with Decree.. --FredCat ^{T.P. • F.R. • J.R. • W.S.} 23:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ah. My bad, then. I've read the wrong parts of the card articles. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs)

187.139.220.27 (talk) 21:16, August 30, 2010 (UTC)solemn judment should be un limited or semi limited in my opinion because it cost a lot of life points and it can give a lot of play for many forgotten and unplayable decks (itsus,union not vwxyz,billy decks, princess pikeru etc...)

Very nice page, although someone forgot to change the bg colour for CCV and Exchange of the Spirit. Fixed now. --Hozu (talk • contribs) 21:48, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Dark Magician of Chaos part says "Monster Reborn is also forbidden". Remember that it is now limited 186.4.40.87 (talk) 05:22, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'll fix that right now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:29, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Also as Rescue Cat is now forbidden you should change the description of Summoner Monk --ME!!!!!!!!!! (talk • contribs) 12:02, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Done. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:13, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think that Magician of Faith and Imperial Iron Wall Imperial Order should be changed to never. Magician of Faith creates an infinite loop with Book of Moon and Final Attack Orders and Royal Magical Library. Imperial Order creates an infinite loop with Axe of Foolishness and Jinzo. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 01:20, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Since when was IIW on the Ban List???...BassNettoHikari2...Chat Page... 06:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hey FZ, you need to fix:

• Brionac's color to white;
• Cyber Dragon and Treeborn Frog can't go up, they're Unlimited;
• Monster Reborn/Dark Hole/Dandylion's chances to = or "Low chance of ↓".

--Missign0 (talk • contribs) 06:39, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Look at the order the list goes in. No One Special (talk • contribs) 01:26, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed Brionac. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:10, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Breaker?

Where are the reasons for Breaker the Magical Warrior being banned and limited for a while? Just saying...

--Kageakumo 01:35, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Not all cards that were limited/banned before March 2010 were added, I'm slowly adding them in though. Breaker's added now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:59, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

We're approaching March 2011. Maybe it's about time some more predictions were added? --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 10:09, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Imo, banlist predictions can go in their own threads in Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Lists Discussion, just like how it was always done.

I'm fine with the current 'Chance of going up/down the list' values. If anyone has a different opinion on then, then go ahead and point them out. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:00, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Who is up for unbanning some yugioh cards

yugioh company WHY DO YOU CREATE CARDS WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO BANN THEM

• Dark Strike Fighter

This is a good and rare card and any reason you say to bann this card is simply STUPID

• Gorz the Emissary of Darkness

Do you know how many children want this card and how mutch it costs

UNBANN ALL CARDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —This unsigned comment was made by Tin666 (talk • contribs)

Or, you know, play tradition instead of advanced? —This unsigned comment was made by 67.204.168.170 (talk • contribs)

Two responses:

Banning cards is just Yugioh's way of recognising that they've made a horrible, easily-overlooked mistake, and this is the least they can do to prevent the breaking of games. Clearly you haven't been around in the game before Dark Dive got banned, or at least not been on the receving end of one.

Limiting Gorz actually keeps its price lower than if it were unlimited, since doing so would control the demand for Gorz. Do recall what happens to a card's price each time it shifts down the list - loosening restrictions on the card would mean that more people would want it since they can put more in their Decks, propelling the price to greater heights. No doubt, Gorz is a little expensive, but its current state allows it to be at its cheapest without outright banning it.

If you're still pissed, go do as the above IP Address has said and stick to Traditional. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 03:29, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Gorz is cheap... I can get it for less than $1.... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Really? The usual price here in SG is about 10 SGD. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 12:08, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Bulk buy ftw (share with friends, and along with a bunch of other cards), but for singles, it should still be less than AUD$2 (SGD$2.5)

DLG1 Gorz. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:24, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

What is Dark Dive? I can't find it.-[User:BobaFett2|BobaFett2]] Talk£3.99

Dark Dive Bomber = Dark Strike Fighter's Translation from Original Japanese name. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:01, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

@ Gadjiltron Clearly he hasn't been on the receiving end of someone abusing Monster reborn with Magician of faith to cycle Raigeki and Harpies Feather Duster either. Or not on the recieving end of Chaos Emperor Dragon, which can potentially do 9900 damage in one hit if the field is full and each player has 6 cards in their hand, or even more if they have extra cards in their hand through an effect like Infinite cards. Nicholas Ranayhossaini (talk • contribs) 03:30, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

I've noticed that Book of Taiyou was on the Limited List for a short moment (Sep '05-Apr '06), though I can't quite figure out a reason why. Any ideas? --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 09:28, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Probably a form of Empty Jar which spammed Cyber Jar abused it. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:12, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

March 2011

Assuming Shriek had it right:

• Correct
  • Cold Wave
  • Honest - But LSs and Heros are not topping... and Revelation is going to come out...
  • Dandylion
  • Card Trooper - Predicted to be exactly 2, reason was given in the list.
  • Spirit Reaper - Chance of coming down was right, but Book is going up? We now have less Targetting effects now...
  • Snipe Hunter - I said it was Outdated...
  • Demise, King of Armageddon - Same as snipe
  • Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier - List said =, unless Mass Driver gets hit. And Mass Driver got hit.
  • Gold Sarcophagus - Too slow

• Not Predicted
  • Goyo Guardian - ...
  • Book of Moon - ...
  • Megamorph - Konami thinks Equip Spells are not threats any more. Mage Power down, United We Stand down, now this.
  • Skill Drain - There aren't any winning decks that use this...
  • Ultimate Offering - Same as Skill Drain

• Incorrect
  • Overload Fusion - List had it as saying at 1, but I suppose it could come down, as Cydra decks aren't winning, and well, if you use 1, you have no machines to use the 2nd one, so you need to send more machines first, but you only have 1 Future Fusion.
  • Chaos Sorcerer - List had it as saying at 2

• New
  • Mass Driver - I knew it will only ever be at 0 or 3.
  • Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow - BWs had it coming.
  • Gateway of the Six - SSs had it coming.
  • Archlord Kristya - I had it marked as 'probably won't happen, but it's possible...' on my predictions list.
  • Debris Dragon - I had it as 'Might Happen' due to Dandylion, Snowman Eater and Darksoul
  • Royal Tribute - I personally did NOT expect this to be hit (even at 2), GKs do not win much any more. The time that it topped was only because of the (quote) "Surprise Buttsecks" factor.
  • Solemn Warning - This getting hit was obvious
  • Icarus Attack - BWs had it coming. They were going to be hit hard this time.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:49, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reasons list adjusted to reflect new banlist. Newly shifted entries are reset to "-". --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 15:59, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I was unaware that Megamorph was unlimited. 76.121.80.38 (talk) 02:05, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:10, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sixth Sense isn't on the forbidden &limited list last I checked. --Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 13:26, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sixth Sense is an OCG Only card, so it's on the OCG list. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:30, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

• I dunno,GGHK seems okay than a 'bad card'...whats so bad about it? I mean you could mill one copy and easy power up the second copy and the last one is better then graceful charity. Superboltboy (talk • contribs) 02:43, May 8, 2011 (UTC)SBB

Graceful Charity will always be better than the third copy of Good Goblin Housekeeping. Sending it to the graveyard is almost always preferable to returning it to the bottom of your deck.BobaFett2 (talk)

Good Goblin Housekeeping is situational, Graceful Charity works almost any time. Also, Dark Worlds would gain immensely from it.

Off topic; if you're going to sign like that, it's probably better to use "{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}} ~~~~~" The 5 tilde gives a timestamp (only). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:35, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

I would but I use "Nosubst" in my signature due to having a large signature on a few other wikis that do use "Nosubst". I'll just manually add one.BobaFett2 (talk) 7:17, May 28, 2011 (UTC).

Cyber Jar should be Very Low since it's way too powerful. Goyo would be Low, since a new format could easily make it less overpowered again. Cold Wave should be Very Low...OTK decks lack consistency due to only having one Trunade. Cold Wave would break monster-based OTK decks. Mass Driver should be Very Low as well because of OTK decks. Metamorphosis would be Low or Very Low-it's basically a cheaper Polymerization. Imperial Order should be Never-Decree is tough enough to deal with. Time Seal would be Very Low or more likely Never-it's like The Forceful Sentry although either more or less powerful depending on your Point of View. Honest will almost definitely stay the same.BobaFett2 (talk)

Wait? If equip cards are going off the list, will Butterfly Dagger - Elma come off then? Also, could someone enlighten me on how many loops use Butterfly Dagger? The only one I know of is the Infinite Spell Counter loop. --184.96.194.141 (talk) 03:57, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Most are listed at Card Tips:Butterfly Dagger - Elma... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:18, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the page. Why don't they just ban Gearfried The Iron Knight and take off Butterfly Dagger? --184.96.194.141 (talk) 20:53, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Because Gearfried sucks and the Dagger is broken. There's no point banning a bad card to unban a broken one.BobaFett2 (talk)

Makes sense. My next question is how many people still have these older cards on the ban list? How many of us still have a LOB Raigeki? How long has it been since Konami has reprinted it? Are people hoarding these banned cards in mass amounts? Over time, won't these banned cards get harder and harder to find if Konami doesn't keep reprinting them. --184.96.244.62 (talk) 02:27, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Nobody cares about finding banned cards, because they are banned, i.e. they can't be used and are worthless. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 02:48, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

If it's a mint Secret Rare for a few bucks at my local store I'll buy it. Or a mint Ultra. Such as a 1.99 Imperial Order I got at the store. BobaFett2 (talk)

But will people jump the bandwagon if Raigeki became limited? IF Raigeki became limited, then would people start using it because it was limited and not forbidden? Will mass yugioh players jump the bandwagon when X card from the forbidden list comes off? --184.96.244.62 (talk) 06:05, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

What bandwagon are you talking about? If Raigeki became Limited, EVERYONE would use it. EVERYONE except morons who think that staples are for elitist.BobaFett2 (talk)

Your reference to "Everyone would use it" is the bandwagon I was talking about. So if everyone would use the limited Raigeki, that means people who didn't own a Raigeki go out of their way to find one again? --184.96.244.62 (talk) 23:06, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Everyone who wished to play competitively or at least make their decks better would. It's only a Super Rare so it wouldn't be much more expensive than 20/30 dollars.BobaFett2 (talk)

September 2011

Updated for Sept'11 list. Was less accurate this time due to lack of update since Xyz Monsters being released, Konami wanting to promote Xyz Monsters (a lot), and a few things that no one expected anyways.
Wanted to see more ideas and reasons before updating it, which is why I didn't update earlier. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:44, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

A lot of cards were removed. Where's Scapegoat?BobaFett2 (talk)

Under Harpie's Feather Duster, it still mentions Heavy Storm as being banned. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 13:53, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

A lot were moved.

I was sure I copy pasted Scapegoat before changing one of them to Smoke Signal.

Fixed both, ty. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 14:00, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Also, MST is still listed as Limited. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 14:01, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed; you can feel free to fix any obvious errors like those if you want to. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 14:05, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

K. Didn't see anymore, though. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 14:08, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En was listed as an Effect Monster. I fixed it (it's now listed as Synchro). Samurai Bruxo^{Discussão/Talk} 00:00, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

"T.G. Hyper Librarian" was also listed as an Effect Monster (fixed now). Samurai Bruxo^{Discussão/Talk} 00:06, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Future Fusion says that Overload is limited--絶望 (talk • contribs) 03:56, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:59, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

ummm Infernity Launcher is on the list twice? Is it so deadly it had to be Limited twice xD Neon Rider (talk • contribs) 21:05, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

I took care of it. -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:17, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

why

why is rescue cat still banned when youstill have to deal with rescue cat which is much much worse Killerman3333 (talk • contribs) 00:23, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think you mean Rescue Rabbit and I disagree rescue cat was waaayyy worse Mrbiff (talk • contribs) 01:32, December 20, 2011 (UTC) mrbiff

We have two Summoner Monks, and any amount of Monks is too much when Cat's around. In addition to that, even without Dark Strike Fighter and Goyo, we still have Brionac, Orient, Arcanite, and Black Rose. In addition to that, there's other new combo possibilities with Tanngnjostr. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 13:41, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty much that can kill the game with Rescue Cat. But not only Synchro, he can affect Xyz too - Overlaying Rank 1 to 3, yes, you can give Rank 1 extra boost with "Turbo Booster". "Rescue Rabbit" is little cheaper version, only increased level by 1 (up to Level 4 only) with using once per turn and cannot get two different monster (no u, Cyber Dragon/Proto-Cyber Dragon!) onto the field at same time. --FredCat 14:40, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oye, FredCat. You also forgot that Rescue Rabbit's targets must be a Normal monster. That's another important detail when comparing it with Cat. 75.49.10.81 (talk) 16:20, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

(In regards to BobaFett2's comment) "Brionic" I think is going to get banned soon. I mean there are some crazy combos you can pull/abuse with it (you have to admit, it is a pretty strong effect monster for a level 6 Synchro, and is capable of getting almost any card off the field. To add to this, the effect can be used over and over again). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 15:32, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

two cards that should NOT be forbidden are choas emperor dragon - envoy of the end and dimension fusion. first chaos emepror dragon because his summon could be negated essaily with cards such as solemn judgment bottomless trap hole and many others. plus black luster solier is no longer forbidden and it has just as good an effect as the eperor dragon and just as much atk power and just as many brilliant conbos as the emeror dragon so its realy not that fair that one is forbidden and one is not. now on to dimension fusion in the list it states that there was to much abuse with dark armed dragon and i would like to say that due to dark armed dragons effect you wuold need to send alot of dark monsters to the grave first and have dark armed dragon all ready in your hand to even summon him and have dimension fusion in your hand to complete this conbo and it would cost 2000 life points as well and your opponent could summon his banished monsters which could stop the otk plus your opponent could have something on the feild to already to stop and destroy all your monsters or negate the damage or deflect the damage back at you. as for other conbos with dimension fusion. again your opponent could have there own conbo which could result in your move backfireing on your self. this could be probebly eassialy done with the fact that they are maing even more powerful cards that can be eassialy used against your opponent. personaly i feel there should be no forbidden list at all because it sucks the fun out of the game and if you belive you are a good duelist and if you are as good as you think you are then they should not have some stuiped list hold any one back from showing there full potential in the game. —This unsigned comment was made by 2.220.93.49 (talk • contribs)

Seroiously? You lack a good understanding of how this stuff works. Negation is not always possible. You may not draw the cards, they could negate them or get rid of them before you use them. CED is insane due to the fact that drawing it allows you to clear the field and both player's hands then burn your opponent. With cards like Reborn Tengu rampant this allows for so many combos. Likewise, Dimension Fusion is just too good for a number of reasons. In addition to that, if there were no banlist, Makyura Exchange of the Spirit FTK would be the single Tier 1 deck - in fact, it would probably be called Tier 0 or even -1 simply because it's so broken. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 21:39, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

>my face when someone thinks preventing broken combos = holding back potential Lord Grammaticus (talk • contribs) 21:44, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

i agree that negation is not always possible but all the same you can not say that there is more chance of you drawing a great hand than your opponent drawing cards that would negate your move. both hand have equal chance of being drawn and when i wrote that stuff about negation i put the word could in bold because it implys the possibility of negation and if your opponent trys to negate your negation then whats to say that you dont negate there negation stratigy. and as for dimension fusion there are cards just as good such as return from the diffrent dimension. the only thing that makes dimension fusion better is the fact that with return from the diffrent dimension any monster summoned with its effect is banished at the end phase not that it realy matters because by the end phase the damage would be done. and if dark armed dragons so powerful why not put it on the banned list. and as for the banned list i agree that cards like exchange of the spirit and others would be difficult to beat but i was simply giving my opinion and saying that i would like to test how good i am when me and my opponent have no limitations or restrictions in the game. —This unsigned comment was made by 2.220.93.49 (talk • contribs)

And then you watch as you opponent wipes you out within the first turn. Something you don't realize is that when we say "broken", we are talking about the existence of combos that can win a game in 90+% of situations (I've seen one that's basically a guaranteed win, in fact). The point: You can't test skill properly in a format where everyone's using decks that reduce your chances of winning to the point where you basically have to hope that luck is on your side - and even then, it's never a sure thing. Why bother testing your potential against something that'll almost always kill you or else put the duel well out of your control instantly?

Plus, regarding Dark Armed Dragon: It has a relatively specific Summon condition, meaning you can't throw it into every Deck ever like most of the banned cards and expect it to work right. Lord Grammaticus (talk • contribs) 00:28, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

yea ok and whats to stop me winning the game in the first turn because what you dont realize is that if evry one would be aloud cards that are needed for these broken conbos is that every one would have an equal chance of drawing such conbos. and another thing you dont realize is that this game is a game of luck. you just have to make the best out of what you have got in your hand and if your opponent does have a winning stratigy then there is nothing you can do about it and there are plenty of stratigys that result in an instant win with out the use of forbidden cards. and both players have an equal chance of exicuting these stratigys and winning. so you can test skill properly in a format where everyone's using decks that reduce your chances of winning because your using just as powerful cards as they are wtich there for means that their chances of winning are reduced as well. also CED also has pretty specific summoning conditions meaning that you can't just throw it into evry deck as well. and if you have enough dark monsters in your graveyard you could clear your opponents feild reativitly eassily with dark armed dragon's effect and dark armed dragon is only like 200 atk points weaker that CED plus dark armed dragon stays on the field when it use's it's effect plus CED costs 1000 of your own life points to use its effect so CED burns you too.

I really don't think you understand how this game works.

First of all, if everyone had the same exact cards, that'd take a lot of actual skill out of the equation. Yes, this is a game of luck, but not exclusively. With the ever changing banlist, you have to be able to construct a deck that has a good chance of winning without relying on cards that are gamebreakers on their own, as well as know how the pieces fit together when constructing said Deck. There has to be room for other Decks to be viable, and the broken cards allowed in Traditional Format aren't quite conducive to that process.

And the problem with your analysis of CED is this - all it needs is at least one Light and Dark monster (compared to DAD, which needs exactly 3 Dark monsters in the grave). While this doesn't make it splashable per se, it's still a rather easy Summon. Also, your statement that CED burns you is wrong - 1000LP is a cost, not damage, and it's often more than worth it considering the amount of damage AND the options you have for wrecking your opponent afterward - like having Sangan/Witch on the field before paying, which means you're ensured at least one free monster, and if that monster is Yata-Garasu, you're done.

The ban list exists to prevent the overuse of certain cards and promote use of other strategies - not to "hold players back", as you've been ridiculous enough to mention. Lord Grammaticus (talk • contribs) 19:36, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

and i think that you must be one of those people who thinks that if there were no forbidden list then every one would' use the same cards witch would take skill out of the equation. how ever you seem to fail at realising the odds of you completeing said stratigy are slim. and there 'are other cards that can prevent this conbo being used with cards like prohibitation, tyrants tirade, prime material dragon, consecrated light, solemn judgement and solemn warrning witch would prevent CED's effect or summon and you could have a sangan/witch of your own when CED's effect is activated. however you do need to take luck into the equation meaning that you have just as much chance getting cards like the ones i listed as your opponent does of getting CED, sangan or the witch of the black forest on their side of the field.

also it would be just as easy to get three dark monsters in the graveyard as it would to get one light and dark monster in the graveyard. and even if the 1000 life points for CED is a cost you still lose 1000 life points meaning that theres not much diffrence between cost and damage. also even if there was no banned list you could still construct a deck that has a good chance of winning any way. and if there was overuse of certain cards then surly players would be encouaged to create and promote new stratiges to defeat said cards that are being overused resulting in pushing players forward. this is something that you have clearly been stupid enough to over look.

Actually, Konami had a time without a banlist. Every player used the same damn deck(s). Same thing happened with Tele-DAD - when there is a single deck that almost always beats every other deck every other time, everyone's going to use it. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 14:13, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

fair enough if konami did have a time without a banlist and if evry player did use the same deck then the banlist should not be completely removed. they should just put down on the list cards that are just to powerful and realy do give an unfair advantage such as temple of the kings, exchange of the spirit or all 5 peices of exodia but cards like CED dimension fusion or even pot of greed is just stupid its not like these cards are hard to beat and even if cards like them are just limited i would'nt care. but half the cards on the forbidden list just have a slightly better effect or more atk than other cards and there are cards that are unlimited and have way better effects than half the cards on the forbidden list. so not every card should be removed from the banlist but the cards they do put on should be put on for a good reason.

Getting exactly 3 dark monsters is not as easy having a light and dark monster in he grave. The exactly 3 dark monsters is very restrcting and more situatonal, you can have any number of light and dark monsters in the grave which makes the chaos monsters far easier to ummon than dark armed dragon. The 1000 life point cost is fixed, whereas the burn damage of chaos emperor dragon will almost always be above 3000. Chaos emperor dragon clears the enire field and hands , not just 3 cards like dark armed dragon.

matthew.lightbody@talktalk.net (talk • contribs) 19:01, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

ok. i understand what your getting at with dark armed dragon and CED however i stand by what i wrote about it being just as eassy getting 3 dark monsters in the grave. there are plenty of conbos that could send 3 dark monsters to the grave as eassily as sending 1 light and dark monster to the grave. you could use future fusion or hand destruction with foolish burial. and im sure there are lots of other conbos you could use. also after you get dark armed dragon on the field you could send more dark monsters to the grave to use his effect to do more damage. where as with CED every thing is destroyed inclueding him self even if your opponent takes more than 3000 damage if your opponent suvives its there turn next so they could draw a card that wipes you out witch could be a possibility as you have lost 1000 life points witch could make all the diffrence. where as with dark armed dragon if you destroy your opponents feild you still have a very powerful monster to defend your life points.

Good, good, you got 3 DARK monsters in the Grave. Now try to prevent more from accumulating until you draw into Dark Armed. Easy? Doesn't happen all the time. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 02:29, January 2, 2012 (UT

you have missunderstood what i was saying. i was saying that you could get three dark monsters in the grave when you also have dark armed dragon in your hand. i was not saying send three dark monsters to the grave then wait and hope that you draw dark armed dragon. what i ment was when you have DAD in your hand then get three dark monsters in the grave.

Still, your Graveyard is more likely to gather more than 3 DARK monsters before you get your DAD, compared to the other way round. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 06:59, January 3, 2012 (

yea ok but what you dont understand is that if you use a deck built around DAD then it's going to be eassy to summon DAD even if your grave does gather more dark monsters. how ever if you use DAD in your deck for whatever reason if your stratigy is to summon DAD then you should already have DAD in your hand or make sure he is going to be in your hand before your graveyard gathers to many dark monsters.

March 2012

So we now have news on the upcoming banlist. Do we update now, or wait till it actually takes effect? --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 05:53, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm assuming we wait until it actually takes effect, for all we known Shriek might be wrong. It's unlikely but possible... And preferred.121.222.228.13 (talk) 06:05, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't the list be updated? Its march 2th (atleast for me) its supposed to take effect by now LG talk My own Guides 14:57, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking about doing it but it's Falzar's forum and he usually does it. But, he get's really busy sometimes with other stuff and it's March now so I think I'll take care of it. This most recent list was really out there, so when I type up the reasons for where cards are on the list, it might be biased towards my opinion. So, if anyone ends up disagreeing with what I put, I won't care if they change it. I mostly just want to get it updated. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 19:49, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Glow-Up Bulb was hit to hurt plants, I think it was just an indirect hit for them.
Hitting it killed the First Turn Quasar Future Fusion deck that was insanely consistent, without GUB they have no targets to make Formula Synchron with.
So yeah, maybe it wasn't because of Plants considering they weren't exactly top tier for a while, just my thoughts.
123.211.144.181 (talk) 05:08, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but Spore got hit too, so I'm thinking Plants. I'll add the First Turn Quasar thing though. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:31, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Random off-topic question - does anybody else think that Mirage of Nightmare should be changed from "Never" to "Very Low?" Seriously, even Yata-Garasu is "Very Low." 99.165.192.113 (talk) 22:41, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

I was actually considering it when I was updating this earlier. I could see Mirage coming back at some point. I'm mostly sketchy on the fact that it could make Fableds and DW OP. I would like a little input from other people before changing this one. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 23:33, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Dark Worlds I could see being pretty good with it, I can't see Fableds being that great with it though. Sure it'd give them a boost but they'll need more than a boost to be able to compete with current decks.

And I'm not sure it'd be brought back. Does it help Xyz's at all? Nope. Less chance of it coming back.

123.211.144.181 (talk) 01:33, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't saying it has a very high likelihood of coming back, but wouldn't you agree it has at more of a chance of coming back than that annoying freaking-crow-that-wins-games-on-its-own? 99.165.192.113 (talk) 01:53, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Probably, but even so, I think a very low is needed at least. ---Crimson Joker (Talk) 04:40, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

So, pretty much we agree Very Low for Mirage of Nightmare, correct? --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 09:46, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

I think that at the very least, nobody is arguing against it. 99.165.192.113 (talk) 21:11, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, is there anything else on there that anyone thinks should be changed? And also, maybe some discussion on some cards that are marked as "unsure" ( "-" )? --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 23:49, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe Metamorphosis to "Very Low?" It has too many epic combos (derp, my Beast King Barbaros becomes Cyber Twin Dragon and my Metal Reflect Slime becomes Naturia Exterio). EDIT: Oh, and Formula Synchron to "=" I think, it's balanced at one. 99.165.192.113 (talk) 00:58, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Done and done. I put Formula as =, but with a chance of going ↓. With Glow-Up AND Fishborg gone, it's really not as broken. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 03:08, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Fishborg Blaster to "Low?" As it says up there he is quite abusable, but also Fishborg Launcher was designed to be a nerfed replacement for him. 99.165.192.113 (talk) 11:18, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

With Laucher replacing Blaster, the odds of Blaster coming back are even slimmer. I'm gonna say Very Low. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:16, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Magical scientist should have his reason slightly edited, apart from the FTK he can perform with catapult turtle, he can also summon 4 xyz monsters by itself, which is obviously far too fast for this format.

matthew.lightbody@talktalk.net (talk • contribs) 21:38, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you, and done. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 00:40, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Does anybody else think Snatch Steal should go to "Never" (sorry, update to end all updates)? IMO it's even worse than Change of Heart because even though it can't target face-downs to take control of, it offers control as long as it stays on the field, Hidden Armory can search/recycle it indiscriminately because you don't need to summon during a series of turns where you just steal your opponents monsters, and the opponent LP gain just doesn't matter. 99.162.190.109 (talk) 15:02, March 17, 2012 (UTC) P.S. - Hey, maybe Konami will errata Magical Scientist to say "up to twice per turn" and bring him back to promote Xyzs. Probably not.

lol, I didn't mean it would be the last update. I meant it as it would be the last mass update for a while. As for Snatch Steal to "Never", I don't agree. 3 MSTs, Heavy Storm, Night Shot (actually really good), etc. It's just not gonna stay on the field. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:32, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Disregard Night Shot, I put that forgetting that it only destroys set S/T. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:28, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Snatch Steal is pretty bad. Most of my losses in Duel Academy (I know AI sucks) come from blowing all my cards to get ahead one powerful monster, than losing that monster next turn. While The card can be destroyed quite easily from MST, You should never use the card with the intention of keeping it on the field longer than a turn anyway. The "cost" of increasing your opponents life points is easily negated by saving it until your foe brings out the big guns and smashing him with his own ace. I don't know if Never is overkill, but it won't be coming down anytime soon. It would be balanced if it was limited to level 4 or lower cards maybe.ZGWolf (talk • contribs) 20:29, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

You're absolutely right, it's not coming back soon, and it might never come back. But putting "Never" is definitely overkill. "Never" should be reserved for truly broken/poorly designed cards like CED, Substitoad, Imperial Order, and Victory Dragon (because of the way surrendering works in the OCG). --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:34, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of whom, IIRC, Victory Dragon is also banned, and never coming back, because you could sidedeck it in 3rd duel, even if you have 2 losses, the duel would be required to be played because it is "possible" that you will win the match, basically wasting everyone's time. 75.58.124.7 (talk) 21:53, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it works like that. If you have 2 losses, you lost the match and you don't get a chance to side. The match can't continue if a winner has been determined. But, the point is, Victory Dragon is never coming back either way. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:58, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

actually of all the "broken" cards in the game, I think Victory dragon is the most likely to come back. It was a pain in the neck to actually summon, and is actully pretty weak. As wierd as it may sound, I am more afraid of snatch steal than victory dragon. Then again I don't do much tourneys. Just wondering, were there any cases between release and ban where this card was actually used? Not that I actually want it, it's just really shiny 0_0

ZGWolf (talk • contribs) 02:55, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

The reason Victory Dragon will not come back is because of the OCG. In the TCG, when your opponent drops VD, you can just surrender before they can damage you with it, so that they only win the round and not the full match. In the OCG, you may only surrender after the tenth turn. VD is worse now because it can be summoned easier than before. Hieratics can drop it in a single turn, and possibly drop you to 0 that turn since they're so OTK oriented. It also may never come back just because it's the only Match Winner that isn't Illegal. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 03:03, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Topic conflict

I am now notice the mispurpose of "CURRENTLY BANNED" while there are like Limited and Semi-Limited including those recipes. So why not change the topic to "List of Reasons why cards are on the Currently Banlist" instead of "List of Reason why cards are Currently Banned"? So that can making a sense...? --FredCat 00:49, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you mean. We're not talking about just the banned stuff, we're talking about Semi-Limited and Limited stuff too, so the title is inaccurate. I agree in all honesty. What about "Reasons why cards are currently restricted" or "Reasons why cards are Banned/Limited"? Which sounds better? I don't think we need to say "List of..." in the title. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 01:04, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with changing, maybe "Which Cards are Restricted and Why"? 99.162.190.109 (talk) 01:00, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

This unregistered user has better topic choice - let's go with that! --FredCat 01:02, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

I like it too, but I want a few different ideas out there to choose from before we decide what to change it to. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 01:04, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Do we need to invoking some Admins to include some discusses with this? --FredCat 01:10, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

No, we don't have to. I'm just saying that we should throw a few more ideas out there for the new name. Like maybe "Reasons why cards currently on the Forbidden/Limited list" or something. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 01:14, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, but I am still going with the one unregistered user made up, it suit this article better. --FredCat 01:18, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

I'm thinking about going ahead and changing it now because the current title is just meh. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:32, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Trishula

Ok why does the reason of trishula say "her"? does trishula honestly look like a female to you? LG talk My own Guides 15:01, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Are you sexist against female dragons then? I'm not sure as to the answer myself, but I've heard Trish getting called "her" by a lot of people... 75.58.122.97 (talk) 22:21, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

As well as this article being mentioned "her" allot. --FredCat 23:17, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Most people I know refer to Trishula as a "her". And yes, I do feel that she appears to be female. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:07, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

IDK might have to do with the fact that most people refer to the card as "Trish" sounds feminine to me...

Shinkirou 21:45, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Scapegoat

I want to discuss this card. I don't understand why it has been limited for so long. Goat Control is beyond dead, and with all of these mass removal effects floating around, it just seems like it's not that great anymore. Sure, you can use it with a Tuner to Synchro for almost anything you want, but Xyz Monsters are taking over anyways. Thoughts? --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 03:02, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

There's enough stall in this game. Soon you'll be able to fill a deck with nothing but stall.
121.222.170.239 (talk) 22:27, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Most people consider stalling to be a sub-par strategy in this day and age. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 22:32, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

The stall isn't that bad anymore, with more cards that pierce and easier ways to get rid of the tokens. I think the main concern is Synchros, so maybe it could have a chance of semi-limit now that Konami has smacked our best tuners and Synchro monsters. Personally, I'm perfectly fine with it at one though. 75.58.122.97 (talk) 22:31, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. I could see it going to 2, since it wouldn't really affect the game. I'll put it as Low chance of getting less restricted I think. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 06:43, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

and there are much more piercing monsters now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:44, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Just because there are more doesn't mean people run them. How many piercing monsters do you run? I don't think I run any in any deck I play.

If that was a good enough reason to bring back cards:

There's many ways to destroy monsters, Yata-Garasu and Goyo Guardian should come back.

There's many ways to stop effects, Tribe-Infecting Virus should come back.

There are many ways to prevent destruction, Harpie's Feather Duster and Raigeki should come back.

These examples may be a bit extreme but you get the idea.

121.222.170.239 (talk) 10:30, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

I see the idea, but those were all banned, while Goat is at 1. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:03, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Unlike most of the ones you mentioned, Scapegoat does not tend to be a "play it and win" or "play it and get unstoppable advantage" card. 75.58.122.97 (talk) 18:48, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

I see you missed the part where I said "These examples may be a bit extreme but you get the idea."

121.222.170.239 (talk) 07:37, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Those Formerly Forbidden

You haven't listed the reasons for Creature Swap, Emergency Provisions, Light and Darkness Dragon, Mage Power, and the Gadgets at 2. I suppose this thread's name doesn't mention "Semi-Limited", but you did list Apprentice Magician and Morphing Jar #2 so I'm not sure.

• Creature Swap/Mage Power: Too strong. Returned after revisionism.
• Green/Red/Yellow Gadget: Gadgets were topping. Now they're not.
• Emergency Provisions: Abused with Mirage of Nightmare.
• Light and Darkness Dragon: Perfect Circle.
• Phantom of Chaos: Overhype? I don't know the environment from that time.

207.233.120.2 (talk) 20:08, April 18, 2012 (UTC)