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Well, I do like this Generation Force set. There's some pretty cool cards out of this set. This is a deck I managed to make from the cards I pulled or am proxying (especially the Xyz monsters). This is a deck that does not use Synchros. Eventually I might throw in a Deep Sea Diva and use some Synchros, but other than that, I'd like some help with this. Anyone have any ways I can improve this deck?

Generation Fish
AnnoyingMacroPrick (talkcontribs) 23:27, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Is it a banishark-based or is it new and old school? i might help you if its new and old school. and try using fenrir. FilipinOtaku (talkcontribs) 21:17, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. I kind of built this deck on the spur of the moment. :P

AnnoyingMacroPrick (talkcontribs) 21:40, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth & Moray of Greed might help you summon some XYZ's

User:Taylor ace

I could do Moray. Deepsea King on the other hand might be a problem to get a hold of, especially with the popularity of Frog Synchro decks.

AnnoyingMacroPrick (talkcontribs) 23:52, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

nar not now that Fishborg Blaster got hit by the ban list

User:Taylor ace

I'll have to look into my sources to see if I can find one that someone is willing to trade. I remember back in the day (like two months ago) I pulled Deepsea King out of a Turbo Pack and it was so cool. Too bad I didn't know how good it really was until now or else I would have kept it for this exact moment! Oh well.

AnnoyingMacroPrick (talkcontribs) 23:57, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

You don't need every Generation Fish Card to make the deck. For example, Sea Lancer is only useful in an A Legendary Ocean deck with Dimensional Fissure. Big Jaws is terrible-it's a -1. Don't use it. Jawsman requires a tribute, so it isn't worth using either. Spearfish Soldier isn't useful enough to be worth using and neither is Piercing Moray. Skystarray is also pretty bad (just too weak to do anything). Poseidon Wave is useless and terrible and Xyz Veil is unecessary. I'd suggest more Spined Gillman and Deepsea Diva. Add more staples too-you need cards like Dark Hole, Monster Reborn, Solemn Judgment, etc.BobaFett2 (talk)

Aqua Jet, definitely Aqua Jet. It can make your one-time seemingly weak monsters a force to be reckoned with. Combo it with Drill Barnacle, and victory can come all that much quicker.

I would also suggest Mind Control, Curse of the Circle, Double or Nothing!, Attention!, United Front, and Raigeki Bottle. Karkashan (talkcontribs) 22:38, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'd highly avoid every one of those cards. Aqua Jet gives you no advantage. Double or Nothing! is a useless card, as most people won't be negating attacks (except Lightsworns, with Necro Gardna). Mind Control is great in Synchro Decks, but not very good in a Xyz deck (except in Mirror Matches-I'd side it). Curse of the Circle is not very good-it generates no advantage. Book of Moon is far, far, better. Use it instead. Attention! is too situational to be worth using. Raigeki Bottle is too slow. Use Dark Hole. You don't need United Front-don't use it. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 22:42, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

1000 extra attack points isn't an advantage? Bwah?! That can mean the difference between your monsters staying or leaving the field.

Utopia's becoming more popular, so at least side-ing something against him wouldn't hurt too much. And since you have cards like Drill Barnacle, Battle Fader can become an issue.

Mind control can be useful for Xyz Summoning, and/or getting rid of a dangerous monster your opponent has on their side of the field for a turn. (If you combo it with Star Blast, you could potentially turn any uber-strong monster your opponent controls into an Xyz material)

Curse of the Circle is a very useful Anti-Stardust card, especially if one has a mirror-force face-down as well. Plus it can help stop Six-Sams.

Not necessarily. It can be very useful for interrupting an opponent's attempt to synchro summon, and you can also negate it yourself with Starlight Road in order to bring out a Stardust should you feel like it.

Raigeki Bottle doesn't have its own anti-card. Dark Hole does. (Plus Cursed Seal, Starlight Road, etc. And Raigeki only gets rid of your opponents cards, which is a bonus, and this card can easily be set up with SkyStarray, which is also a plus)

United Front can be helpful, especially if your opponent tries to bottomless trap hole one of the monsters you were trying to use as an Xyz Material. Also, it can be used to get back at your opponent should they use cards like Ojama Trio. Karkashan (talkcontribs) 23:19, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Advantage is Card Advantage. ATK points don't really matter that much in today's metagame. Nobody uses the anti-Dark Hole Card as there is only ONE copy of it in a deck. Curse of the Circle...again, you COULD juts use Book of Moon. Mind Control is not useful for Xyz Summoning because unlike with Synchro Summoning you need a monster of the same level. Double Up Chance still isn't worth using, as, again, it's very situational and without Monarchs, Battle Fader is uncommon. People use Dark Hole as if it were Raigeki most of the time. United Front is not very help-just use Seven Tools of the Bandit. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 23:22, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

I've seen Battle Fader in:

Monarchs Blackwing Ally of Justice Majestic Synchro Stardust Earthbound Immortal Archfiend Resonator Dragunity Dark World Fabled Exodia

the above decks. And that's just within the last month.

I use White Hole in a couple of decks, actually. Mostly because I've dueled some people who keep. freaking. drawing. it. on. their. first. turn. (sorry, repressed anger coming back)

United Front works really well in a Xyz deck. I have it in a couple. I also have Seven Tools. Never hurts to have a couple of extra trap negations handy. Helps prevent Psi-Blockers and or Prohibitions from guessing the right card in the second/third duel of a match.

The reason I prefer Curse of the Circle is Final Attack Orders. Book of Moon doesn't work in that situation. Karkashan (talkcontribs) 23:36, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Then you aren't playing meta decks. Only Monarchs need it. And Exodia, but that's another matter. Final Attack Orders is never worth using (except in an OTK deck, if I remember correctly). You should just max out Seven Tools. United Front really isn't that good. I understand that you play White Hole but the people that FilipinOtaku will almost definitely NOT use White Hole. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 00:29, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

...I thought we were helping out AnnoyingMacroPrick.

About United Front, I'll agree to disagree. You won't change my mind, and I won't change yours. I still say it's a good extra card to have in an Xyz deck. (Or even an old-school beatdown deck, but that's more traditional format then Advanced, so I won't get into that) Karkashan (talkcontribs) 00:51, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that there wouldn't be room for it. Don't use situational cards unless the trigger situation is something you can achieve 9 times out of 10. Forum:Deck Guide/General. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 12:13, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

I'm siding with Boba on this one. The number-one Trap Card you have to block is "Solemn Warning"; there's little chance that "United Front" will be usable at that point. "Mirror Force" and "Torrential Tribute" you can block with "Starlight Road"--not a staple, but very usable with HS coming back and 3 JDs.
I encourage "Skystarray". Few of the monsters have much ATK; it's the only one that can bring "Wingtortoise" out in a single card if your opponent has a big monster. Drop "Jawsman", "Piercing Moray", and "Big Jaws"; it'll usually be better to Xyz Summon rather than bring them out individually.
Designless Square (talkcontribs) 17:52, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

That's the point of an Xyz Deck, to get that situation out 9 times out of 10. And it tends to happen. A lot. Yeah, Solemn Warning has bitten me a couple of times, but that's usually on my first turn anyway, so there's not much I can do about it.Karkashan (talkcontribs) 18:57, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

It is true that you often get the conditions required for "United Front", but that's not when the Traps are activated. It is not tuned for the current Meta. Traps like "Dimensional Prison", "Bottomless Trap Hole", and "Compulsory Evacuation Device" tend to be sprung after you've Xyz Summoned, which means you won't get to use it. The kind of Traps your opponent would use (while you control 2 Level 3 monsters but before you Xyz Summon) include "Torrential Tribute", "Icarus Attack", and "Mirror Force", which can be blocked by "Starlight Road". There is overlap, but not enough to make the 1000 LP from "Tools" a deal-breaker.
Anyways, I just looked at "Spearfish Soldier" and I realized that "Sea Lancer" is something else. Drop "Sea Lancer" and add some MSTs instead. They're nice to have.
Designless Square (talkcontribs) 22:34, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

I mostly like the card because it tends to work well against certain Traditional decks, and it's a good card to be able to exchange for something in my side deck without having to worry about breaking my normal strategy.

Usually, when I do use it, I go Heavy Storm/MST, my opponent counters, and then I counter their counter. Then I Xyz summon. Saved myself from a couple of Judgement of Anubises that way.

In all seriousness, yes, I prefer Seven Tools. But I only have so many copies, and when one has over 25 decks...staples run dry and alternatives need to be found. Karkashan (talkcontribs) 07:53, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

I get the bit with running thin on splashables. This is Theory-oh, though; money ain't no object. Where is AwesomeMacroPro?
I'd suggest dropping "Poseidon Wave"; "Mirror Force" and "Book of Moon" are more useful.
Summoning in Traditional?
Designless Square (talkcontribs) 22:21, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
Jar decks. Cyber Jar in particular. Karkashan (talkcontribs) 06:51, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
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