Forum:Archetype images?

Ok so in some archetype images, the images are like this: "Charmers.png" or this: "Hieratics.jpg". In those images, its kinda bad because in the Charmers, it shows ALL of the members and in Hieratic, it shows all of the member's artworks AND supports and worst of all, these are artworks of each card being put together. Does anybody think to replace these kind of archetype images? In my opinion, archetype images like this is bad. I personally think that the archetype images are just maybe Tag Force card artworks that shows atleast 2 members of a series/archetype, Team Symbols of the archetype (for Duel Terminals) and Screen Shots from the anime that shows atleast 2 members of an archetype/series. Anyone agreeing on this? --SharkTenjo 15:27, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Such as "Iron Chain"? --iFredCat 11:55, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Some images could be better. There are still a few pages with no images at all, like "Geometric Knight". Only one member was ever on screen at once, so if someone could get a shot of that, it'd be appreciated. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:31, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Using artworks which contained 2 or more members, Team Symbols or a screenshot from the anime, seemed to have been agreed upon, but agreements are mainly found in edit summaries, there was no forum topic. Which should be good enough considering how many there were.
Also, there was a short discussion on a talk page somewhere about not using fan-made stuff that isn't the 3x3 grids. i.e. so far, 2/2 agreements on not using the current images for Lightsworn, Atlantean, Heroic, Dark World, etc.
IIRC, File:Charmers.png was made to replace the previous image which had exactly the same format (with all of them) but with horrible cropped card scan images instead, it can be replaced.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:33, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Also, the one with Charmer should updating as of Dharc have Familiar-Possessed version already and it's not posted there since all other 4 original Charmers got their included. --iFredCat 12:40, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Should we change the charmer? i think theres no artwork which features two or more, a screenshot or a team symbol for them so why not reduce the the charmers? like having the archetype image of it redued by one of each attribute charmer instead of ALL kinds. 33royward --SharkTenjo 15:27, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Or maybe instead of the format of images like Charmers or Lavals, why not make it to the format of the image of Monarch? I think its clean to look at compared to the image format of Charmers. --SharkTenjo 15:27, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

The original (main) 6 Charmers should be enough.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:35, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Anyone agreeing to use the image format of the Monarch image? --SharkTenjo 15:27, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Disagreed - Charmer is Charmer, Monarch is Monarch. They are not same family! And for Falzar - it would making at least horizon image (6 out of 9 dialing image) which won't be enough to complete the square image though... --iFredCat 14:36, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

What's wrong with 2x3 for Charmers?

For Monarchs, there used to be 7, which is why that format was used. Then when the 8th came, the format didn't change for that. Which is why it is different for Monarchs. Also, 2x4 would probably be a bit long. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 14:39, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

3 across 2 down for Charmers my suggestion. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 14:53, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Apparently, i dont think its necessary to include all of the members in the archetype image, i think that maybe atleast 2 members as said above. The current charmer image and the other images of arhcetypes are just artworks of members and/or supports and then combine them. My point is making the archetype images look "clean" by replacing the archetype images similar to Charmers, Lavals, Nordic Ninjas etc. into something similar to the archetype images of Infernity, Iron Chain, Monarch and Evilswarm.--SharkTenjo 15:27, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

@Falzar, I am not against you or anything - I only remind you that 2x3 image sound little funny compare to full square (which is 3x3 at most of the time) that would discouraged Goldy... er, Milly... If he's alright with 2 columns and 3 rows, then I can allowed that as well. I would go with brightly Charmer at top and darkly Charmer at bottom. Maybe Light Charmer and Wind Charmer at top, Hiita with Eria at middle and last, Dharc and Aussa at bottom would doing it. --iFredCat 15:00, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds good, Fred.

For general practice, I'd say images should be selected in the following order:

1. Tag Force card image containing at least 2 members. If no Tag Force image yet, clean cut out from real card.

2. Anime shot with at least 2 members.

3. 2x2 or 3x3 collage of Tag Force images of members. If no Tag Force image yet, clean cut outs from real cards. For Monarchs I'd suggest a 2x2 of Mobius, Raiza, Thestalos and Granmarg. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 15:11, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I think there is a trap which features 3 monarch. --SharkTenjo 15:24, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Glad to helping. But since of me having iMac - I am no doubt losing the right to screw-up the mask and put them right where I wanted them to be. For Monarch's icon; I am sure that they should going in order from left to right, from top to bottom in exact sequence Goldy just selected. As of Water and Wind are lighter while Fire and Earth are heavily, ignoring the logical of Fire being air; I am following the nature of Earth. Fire being center, Earth is first layer, Water being second and lastly Wind. --iFredCat 15:25, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Via SharkTenjo's explain; it's By Order of the Emperor that featured Caius, Raiza and Mobius in the shadow. --iFredCat 15:33, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm surprised I forgot about "By Order of the Emperor". Good job guys, that's an ideal image. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 15:35, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I replaced the monarch image with the By Order of the Emperor artwork --SharkTenjo 15:37, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

So about lavals, should we replace it with their crest? and if we do, can we get a better image of their creast cause its kinda bad --SharkTenjo 15:41, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Think so, the "crest" was just little out of place when not placed in informbox. Go ahead and boot the 9 panels out and put that in. --iFredCat 15:45, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Is there a better image for their crest like the Evilswarm? The Evilswarm crest is quite good. And where actually does this wikia get their high-quality screenshot? --SharkTenjo 15:53, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I really don't think the "crest" images are suitable for the infobox. They really give no information about the archetypes. Retaining the images as another image in that archetype article seems fine, but I don't like them in the infobox. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:49, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should use a representative Tag Force image wherever available for archseries pages - if there's a related card whose artwork shows several members, we should use that, otherwise just use the artwork of a representative or "key" member, or a grid if there isn't any such member ("Charmer"). If there's no TF image, a suitable screenshot from the anime or cropped scan from the manga should be used instead. As far as crests go, like Cheesedude said above, they're interesting and I like having them in archseries articles, but I don't think they belong in the infobox (at least, not in place of a representative picture of archseries members). As for the "Charmer" series specifically, the current image needs to be replaced with one that just shows the six "Charmers" themselves, and separate images created for the two related groups. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:33, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we should necessarily say that TF images take precedence over anime/manga images. I think we should judge that on an individual basis. There may be plenty that TF images are better for, but there may also be some that the anime image would look better. Though if we have both images for one archetype, adding the other somewhere else on the page is good too. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:45, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

True, sometimes the anime does have good images. Though there are TF images available for it, the current Resonator image features numerous members, as opposed to just two. Exceptions to the "rule" can exist, such as in cases where the anime image is clear and has more members than the best TF card artwork. But I don't like the idea of having multiple images on the page. I recently put an anime one of Crystal Beasts up over the TF image, instead of having them both there. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:02, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Right, I didn't think of that. The main reason I fixated on TF images is because they're so high-quality, which is something we can't guarantee with anime/manga images, but as you said, we should determine which to use on a case-by-case basis. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:27, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Most of the archetype articles are really long, Key. Why would you not want multiple images on them? It helps break it up. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:05, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

The longer articles are ones like the Crystal Beast page, which list numerous Deck Types/Playing Styles. The image I moved was in the first paragraph, not exactly breaking the page up. Sticking an image into one of the Deck Types isn't fitting. If we have a team crest, I guess that can go at the bottom, but again, that's not breaking up the page. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 15:04, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Other images

While we're on the topic of images, what is the protocol for Type pages? Some have images, some don't. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:44, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, i think we should do something about it since other images are the "symbol" of the type, some "members" of the type and some have no image at all. --SharkTenjo 05:08, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if this is still being discussed or if it's been sorted, but why don't we use those symbol images which the wikia has from games like Tag Force? It'd keep the type page images consistent with each other too. Also whilst I am posting here, i'd like to say that archetype images should be based off of quality, not quantity of the archetype monsters featured. Such as the Fire Fist archetype. One of the Fire Dance spells' artwork would do fine whereas I personally think the mat as their image is bad looking. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 19:47, November 20, 2012 (UTC)