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(March 2011)
(Update; and removing log that wasn't anyways.)
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! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Forbidden|<span style="color:white;">Forbidden</span>]]
 
! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Forbidden|<span style="color:white;">Forbidden</span>]]
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning]]
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect, high ATK. [[Honest]] can be used on his first attack, then the 2nd attack would be deadly. See also: [[Chaos]].
 
| Very Low
 
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End]]
 
| [[Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End]]
| Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect, high ATK, nuke and burn. [[Judgment Dragon]] Destroys all cards, while this card Sends all the cards.
+
| Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect, high ATK, nuke and burn. [[Judgment Dragon]] destroys all cards, while this card Sends all the cards.
 
| Very Low
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
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| Resets everything.
 
| Resets everything.
 
| Never
 
| Never
  +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
  +
| [[Fishborg Blaster]]
  +
| Broken with [[Formula Synchron]], which is now limited. An infinite [[Glow-Up Bulb]] [[Spore]] or [[Plaguespreader Zombie]]; although limited only to WATER attributes.
  +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Goyo Guardian]]
 
| [[Goyo Guardian]]
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| Use this card with cards like [[Jar of Greed]] and [[Legacy of Yata-Garasu]] to draw through your entire deck.
 
| Use this card with cards like [[Jar of Greed]] and [[Legacy of Yata-Garasu]] to draw through your entire deck.
 
| Never
 
| Never
  +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
  +
| [[Mind Master]]
  +
| Maybe Konami really hates [[Card Tips:Brain Research Lab|FTK]]s. Very similar to Substitoad (which is also Forbidden), except you take damage each time (or you can use 1 more card to bypass it). [[Calm, Silent Gusta]] can also be abused with this card.
  +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Rescue Cat]]
 
| [[Rescue Cat]]
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| Too many good combos. Was abused with [[Dark Armed Dragon]] to clear the opponent's field and swarm your own, forming an OTK.
 
| Too many good combos. Was abused with [[Dark Armed Dragon]] to clear the opponent's field and swarm your own, forming an OTK.
 
| Very Low
 
| Very Low
  +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
  +
| [[Giant Trunade]]
  +
| Clears back field and prepares for OTK. Not as potent as Heavy Storm as the S/Ts can be re-Set by your opponent on the next turn, though it also allows you to re-Set your S/T defense after its use as well. Probably banned since Heavy Storm was needed to prevent the Set everything on first turn for game strategies, and we don't need another mass S/T removing card. It can also allow certain cards to be reused, such as the now-Semi-Limited Swords of Revealing Light.
  +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Graceful Charity]]
 
| [[Graceful Charity]]
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| Too powerful. [[Heavy Storm]] is also Forbidden, and this card is even more powerful that that.
 
| Too powerful. [[Heavy Storm]] is also Forbidden, and this card is even more powerful that that.
 
| Never
 
| Never
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Heavy Storm]]
 
| This on first turn is usually catastrophic for the opponent, and not everyone manages to set [[Starlight Road]] on their first turn.
 
| Low
 
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Last Will]]
 
| [[Last Will]]
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| Destroys a monster + massive burn damage. Lethal when combined with cards like [[Barrel Behind the Door]] or [[Spell of Pain]]. Finishing move.
 
| Destroys a monster + massive burn damage. Lethal when combined with cards like [[Barrel Behind the Door]] or [[Spell of Pain]]. Finishing move.
 
| Very Low
 
| Very Low
  +
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
  +
| [[Royal Oppression]]
  +
| 1 card to <u>continuously</u> stop a large amount of cards and cripple a large number of decks with a fairly low cost. Some decks abuse the fact that it cannot be used in the [[Damage Step]]. [[Blackwing]]s can use this card in their deck fairly well. [[User:Falzar_FZ/Misc#RoyalOppression-orSolemnWarningValhalla|Can stop a larger variety of cards]] that Solemn Warning, which has a larger cost, can only be used once.
  +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Sixth Sense]]
 
| [[Sixth Sense]]
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|-
 
|-
 
! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Limited|<span style="color:white;">Limited</span>]]
 
! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Limited|<span style="color:white;">Limited</span>]]
  +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
  +
| [[Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning]]
  +
| Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect, high ATK. [[Honest]] can be used on his first attack, then the 2nd attack would be deadly. See also: [[Chaos]].
  +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind]]
 
| [[Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind]]
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| Compulsory effect. Gives lots of advantage most of the time. Re-usable in many decks, creates Tokens that can be used for Synchro or Tribute Summons. Effect also triggers when it enters the Graveyard through any means.
 
| Compulsory effect. Gives lots of advantage most of the time. Re-usable in many decks, creates Tokens that can be used for Synchro or Tribute Summons. Effect also triggers when it enters the Graveyard through any means.
 
| =
 
| =
  +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
  +
| [[Debris Dragon]]
  +
| Highly useable with the number of Level 3 monsters with very low ATK like [[Lonefire Blossom]] or [[Dandylion]]. Can easily make LV7 Synchros like [[Black Rose Dragon]], or higher-level monsters if Tokens are present on the field. See also: Lonefire Blossom (below)
  +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Elemental Hero Stratos]]
 
| [[Elemental Hero Stratos]]
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| [[Honest]]
 
| [[Honest]]
 
| Very good effect. It basically deals lots of battle damage to the opponent while destroying the opponent's monster. Easily reused with Beckoning Light.
 
| Very good effect. It basically deals lots of battle damage to the opponent while destroying the opponent's monster. Easily reused with Beckoning Light.
  +
| -
  +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
  +
| [[Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En]]
  +
| Even with Gateway limited, Six Samurais were still a force to be reckoned with. Shi En is a very easy Synchro for Six Samurais to bring out, having the same ATK as Stardust Dragon and a better negation effect. It also has the 'My Buddy as a Shield' effect to prevent it from being destroyed.
  +
| -
  +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
  +
| [[Lonefire Blossom]]
  +
| Search and Special Summon ANY plant; this includes Tuners, [[Mystic Tomato]], [[Tytannial, Princess of Camellias]], etc. Doppel-plants and quite a few other plant type decks were also topping tournaments for a long while.
 
| -
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
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| As if [[Zombie]]s didn't have enough revival power.
 
| As if [[Zombie]]s didn't have enough revival power.
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Mind Master]]
 
| There's a [[Card Tips:Brain Research Lab|Mind Master OTK]]. It's similar to Substitoad (which is Forbidden), except you take damage each time (or you need 1 more card to bypass it), and Psychics don't have a [[Ronintoadin]] to abuse yet (A new card, [[Calm, Silent Gusta]] may be abused with this card).
 
| =
 
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Morphing Jar]]
 
| [[Morphing Jar]]
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| [[Necromill OTK]]
 
| [[Necromill OTK]]
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Necro Gardna]]
 
| Abusable in [[Lightsworns]], and with [[Burial from a Different Dimension]] (however, this is also Limited).
 
| =, Chance of ↓
 
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Neo-Spacian Grand Mole]]
 
| [[Neo-Spacian Grand Mole]]
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| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
| [[Summoner Monk]]
+
| [[T.G. Hyper Librarian]]
| Monk Monk → Cat = Pwn, but with Monk at 1 and Cat now Forbidden, this combo doesn't work any more. He's a Spellcaster, so [[Arcanite Magician]] can be Synchro Summoned.
+
| Super splashable, low level with decent ATK, works when either player Synchro Summons.
| Chance of
+
| =, Chance of
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Tragoedia]]
 
| Stops OTK <u>AND</u> has other good effects.
 
| =
 
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier]]
 
| [[Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier]]
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| Fairly Powerful and with no cost, but then again, [[Starlight Road]] makes it harder to play.
 
| Fairly Powerful and with no cost, but then again, [[Starlight Road]] makes it harder to play.
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Destiny Draw]]
 
| Works very well with [[Destiny Hero - Malicious]]. Was a semi-universal draw engine, however not used as much now.
 
| Chance of ↓
 
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Emergency Teleport]]
 
| [[Emergency Teleport]]
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| -
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
| [[Giant Trunade]]
+
| [[Heavy Storm]]
| Clears back field and prepares for OTK. Not as potent as Heavy Storm as the S/Ts can be re-Set by your opponent on the next turn, though it also allows you to re-Set your S/T defense after its use as well.
+
| This on first turn is usually catastrophic for the opponent, and not everyone manages to set [[Starlight Road]] on their first turn. However, it also prevents the Set everything on first turn for game strategies.
| =
+
| =, Chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Infernity Launcher]]
 
| [[Infernity Launcher]]
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|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Level Limit - Area B]]
 
| [[Level Limit - Area B]]
| Excellent stalling device for no cost, effectively locking out most Decks that use lots of high-level monsters.
+
| Excellent stalling device for no cost, effectively locking out most Decks that use lots of high-level monsters. However, it does not affect the new Xyz Monsters, and Konami is promoting people to buy them.
| =
+
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Limiter Removal]]
 
| [[Limiter Removal]]
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| Fast. No cost. Special Summon from either Graveyard. Further punishes the opponent if you manage to destroy a strong monster they control (e.g. [[Gladiator Beast Gyzarus]]).
 
| Fast. No cost. Special Summon from either Graveyard. Further punishes the opponent if you manage to destroy a strong monster they control (e.g. [[Gladiator Beast Gyzarus]]).
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
  +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
  +
| [[Mystical Space Typhoon]]
  +
| Fast. Staple. 1 for 1 card.
  +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[One for One]]
 
| [[One for One]]
 
| Mind Master OTK and Frog OTK decks use this a lot. If some of those cards become Forbidden, then this could come back to assist some of the weaker archetypes such as [[Morphtronics]] and [[Fortune Ladies]].
 
| Mind Master OTK and Frog OTK decks use this a lot. If some of those cards become Forbidden, then this could come back to assist some of the weaker archetypes such as [[Morphtronics]] and [[Fortune Ladies]].
 
| =
 
| =
  +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
  +
| [[Pot of Avarice]]
  +
| Seems to be really good in certain decks, recycling cards like Rescue Cat (now banned). Plants also abused this card.
  +
| Chance of ↓
  +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
  +
| [[Primal Seed]]
  +
| As long as an Envoy is here, this must be at 1 to prevent loops, in particular, [[OTK]] and [[FTK]] loops:<br>
  +
2 Primal Seed + Macro Cosmos/Banisher of the Radiance + Anything you want to reuse indefinitely = win<br>
  +
For example a FTK would be: On your first turn, you Hand Destruction 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK. Then Special Summon the Envoy. Then Normal Summon Banisher of the Radiance. Now, activate [[Sparks]], activate Primal Seed to get Sparks and 1 of the Banished cards, activate the same Sparks, activate Primal Seed to get Primal Seed and Sparks and repeat for Sparks FTK!!!<br>
  +
You can do this with any Effect Damage cards, or things like Limiter Removal, Rush Recklessly, etc.
  +
| =, unless Envoy ban
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Reasoning]]
 
| [[Reasoning]]
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| Chance of ↓
 
| Chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
| [[Scapegoat]]
+
| [[Shien's Smoke Signal]]
| Stalls quite a bit. However, there are more cards that [[Pierce]] now. Easy Synchro Material. Was part of the [[Goat Control]] deck.
+
| Six Samurais still dominated after Gateway got hit, this time they hit this along with Shi En.
| =
+
| Chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
| [[Swords of Revealing Light]]
+
| [[Infernity Launcher]]
| Stalls for quite a long time. You can still attack while the opponent cannot.
+
| It may seem like a +1, but with [[Infernity Archfiend]], a very deadly +lots loop can be made.
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Call of the Haunted]]
 
| Must fairer speed when compared to its Spell counterparts. Can't be abused multiple times per turn (unlike [[Premature Burial]]). Can only special summon from your own graveyard (unlike [[Monster Reborn]]).
 
 
| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Ceasefire]]
 
| [[Ceasefire]]
 
| In the right conditions, it can inflict major burn damage. Finishing move.
 
| In the right conditions, it can inflict major burn damage. Finishing move.
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Gravity Bind]]
 
| Stalls a lot. See also Level Limit - Area B.
 
 
| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
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| [[Magical Explosion]]
 
| [[Magical Explosion]]
 
| See [[Magical Explosion FTK]]
 
| See [[Magical Explosion FTK]]
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Mind Crush]]
 
| 1 for 1 card. You don't really need to be a psychic to use this card. "''[[Salvage]]/[[Dark Factory of Mass Production]], [[Sangan]], [[Gold Sarcophagus]], [[Machina Gearframe]], [[Gadgets]], etc. Allows you to know what card they have. Also, this card owns [[Ritual]] Monsters, when the activate their [[Ritual Spell Card]], chain this and call the name of their Monster; a 2 for 1.
 
 
| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Mirror Force]]
 
| [[Mirror Force]]
 
| Solid game changer. However, now that [[Starlight Road]] is out, you need to be more careful when using this card.
 
| Solid game changer. However, now that [[Starlight Road]] is out, you need to be more careful when using this card.
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| 1 card to <u>continuously</u> stop a large amount of cards. Some decks abuse the fact that it cannot be used in the [[Damage Step]]. [[Blackwing]]s can use this card in their deck fairly well. Quite a few [[X-Saber]] decks run it because they can, and it generally stops the opponent more.
 
 
| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
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| [[Card Trooper]]
 
| [[Card Trooper]]
 
| Can be a good beatstick for 1 turn. Sets up the Graveyard for many decks. When it dies, you draw 1, so no advantage lost. [[Machine Duplication]] can be used, so at max, it can be at 2. It probably wouldn't go to 3.
 
| Can be a good beatstick for 1 turn. Sets up the Graveyard for many decks. When it dies, you draw 1, so no advantage lost. [[Machine Duplication]] can be used, so at max, it can be at 2. It probably wouldn't go to 3.
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Debris Dragon]]
 
| Highly useable with the number of Level 3 monsters with very low ATK like [[Lonefire Blossom]] or [[Dandylion]]. Can easily make LV7 Synchros like [[Black Rose Dragon]], or higher-level monsters if Tokens are present on the field.
 
 
| -
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
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| His effect can't be used if at 1. If at 3, the advantages will be too high (especially with Synchro Summons) so...
 
| His effect can't be used if at 1. If at 3, the advantages will be too high (especially with Synchro Summons) so...
 
| =, almost certain
 
| =, almost certain
  +
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
  +
| [[Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier]]
  +
| There's an OTK loop with [[Symbol of Heritage]] and [[Mass Driver]]; if you have 3 Dewloren's in the Graveyard. The banning of Mass Driver made that OTK loop impossible. There is still another OTK which involves Symbol of Heritage, which is definitely not going to be Limited, so this will be hit instead. Call of the Haunted can also be recycled with this card.
  +
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
| [[Judgment Dragon]]
+
| [[Necro Gardna]]
| Can be Special Summoned easily. Low cost to nuke the Field except itself. 3000 ATK. Double JD is just broken, especially when they can be returned to your hand with Beckoning Light.
+
| Easily used in [[Lightsworns]], and with [[Burial from a Different Dimension]] (however, this is Limited).
| =, Chance of
+
| =, Chance of
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
| [[Lonefire Blossom]]
+
| [[Summoner Monk]]
| Search and Special Summon ANY plant; this includes Tuners, [[Mystic Tomato]], [[Tytannial, Princess of Camellias]], etc. With the new [[Naturia]] cards, this card will most likely stay at 2.
+
| Monk Monk Cat = Pwn, but with [[Rescue Cat|Cat]] now Forbidden, this combo doesn't work any more. He's a Spellcaster, so [[Arcanite Magician]] can be Synchro Summoned. Easy Rank 4 Xyz Monster, maybe Konami is promoting people to buy Xyz Monsters.
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Spirit Reaper]]
 
| Relatively hard to kill. Its other effects are also great.
 
 
| -
 
| -
  +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
  +
| [[Tragoedia]]
  +
| Stops OTK <u>AND</u> has other good effects, maybe Konami is promoting people to buy Xyz Monsters
  +
| =, Chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Chain Strike]]
 
| [[Chain Strike]]
 
| Key card of Chain Burn decks such as [[Burn#Chain_Strike_OTK|Chain Strike OTK]].
 
| Key card of Chain Burn decks such as [[Burn#Chain_Strike_OTK|Chain Strike OTK]].
  +
| -
  +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
  +
| [[Destiny Draw]]
  +
| Works very well with [[Destiny Hero - Malicious]]. Was a semi-universal draw engine, however not used as much now.
 
| -
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Magical Stone Excavation]]
 
| [[Magical Stone Excavation]]
 
| Allows quick reuse of major Spell Cards. Its heavy cost is often circumvented in [[Diamond Dude Turbo]] Decks.
 
| Allows quick reuse of major Spell Cards. Its heavy cost is often circumvented in [[Diamond Dude Turbo]] Decks.
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Megamorph]]
 
| Doubling original ATK can be a lot, sometimes enough to OTK. The drawback of halving when you have more LPs isn't too bad either as you can equip it to your opponent's monsters.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Mystical Space Typhoon]]
 
| Fast. Staple. 1 for 1 card. Moved from the Limited List to offset the banning of Heavy Storm.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Overload Fusion]]
 
| [[Chimeratech Overdragon]]. nuff said.
 
 
| -
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Royal Tribute]]
 
| [[Royal Tribute]]
 
| Particularly disruptive when used on the very first turn, leaving one vulnerable and unable to retrieve what has been lost due to [[Necrovalley]] on the field.
 
| Particularly disruptive when used on the very first turn, leaving one vulnerable and unable to retrieve what has been lost due to [[Necrovalley]] on the field.
  +
| -
  +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
  +
| [[Swords of Revealing Light]]
  +
| Stalls for quite a long time. You can still attack while the opponent cannot. With Xyz Monsters making Level Limit and Gravity Bind less useful good, why not?
 
| -
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
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| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
| [[Icarus Attack]]
+
| [[Call of the Haunted]]
| Powerful Chainable 2 for 2 card, which makes Blackwings even more lethal.
+
| Must fairer speed when compared to its Spell counterparts. Can't be abused multiple times per turn (unlike [[Premature Burial]]). Can only special summon from your own graveyard (unlike [[Monster Reborn]]). Like Magic Cylinder, top decks didn't play this card much, so it was probably dropped for the same reason.
 
| -
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
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| Negates an attack and inflicts major burn damage. Finishing move. Moved off the Limited List, perhaps, to discourage OTKs via a monster with high ATK.
 
| Negates an attack and inflicts major burn damage. Finishing move. Moved off the Limited List, perhaps, to discourage OTKs via a monster with high ATK.
 
| =
 
| =
  +
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
  +
| [[Mind Crush]]
  +
| 1 for 1 card. You don't really need to be a psychic to use this card. "''[[Salvage]]/[[Dark Factory of Mass Production]], [[Sangan]], [[Gold Sarcophagus]], [[Machina Gearframe]], [[Gadgets]], etc. Allows you to know what card they have. Also, this card owns [[Ritual]] Monsters, when the activate their [[Ritual Spell Card]], chain this and call the name of their Monster; a 2 for 1.
  +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Ojama Trio]]
 
| [[Ojama Trio]]
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| See [[Demise/Doom OTK]]. The lack of such Decks in the meta, however, resulted in this card coming off the list.
 
| See [[Demise/Doom OTK]]. The lack of such Decks in the meta, however, resulted in this card coming off the list.
 
| -
 
| -
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier]]
 
| There's a loop with [[Symbol of Heritage]] and [[Mass Driver]]; if you have 3 Dewloren's in the Graveyard. The banning of Mass Driver made the loop impossible, letting this card off the list.
 
| =
 
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Exiled Force]]
 
| [[Exiled Force]]
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| Well, Royal Oppression became Limited when this became Unlimited, not that anyone was using this card anyway.
 
| Well, Royal Oppression became Limited when this became Unlimited, not that anyone was using this card anyway.
 
| -
 
| -
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|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
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| [[Judgment Dragon]]
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| Can be Special Summoned easily. Low cost to nuke the Field except itself. 3000 ATK. Double JD is just broken, especially when they can be returned to your hand with Beckoning Light. However, in the OCG with the new Priority ruling change, the increase of anti-Special Summon of high level/LIGHT (chaos) cards, and Lightsworns not topping much might have been the reason to unlimit this. Consensus seems to say this card should be banned, and Lumina should be unlimited instead.
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| Chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Morphing Jar 2]]
 
| [[Morphing Jar 2]]
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| Formerly abused in Gadget Decks due to massive hand advantage to fuel its effect. The lack of Gadget Decks around resulted in it coming off the list.
 
| Formerly abused in Gadget Decks due to massive hand advantage to fuel its effect. The lack of Gadget Decks around resulted in it coming off the list.
 
| =
 
| =
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|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
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| [[Spirit Reaper]]
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| Can't be destroyed by battle, but unlike Marshmallon, it destroys itself the moment it is Targetted. Its other effect is great, except against Dark World; guess what theme the <u>new</u> Starter Deck was.
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| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Twin-Headed Behemoth]]
 
| [[Twin-Headed Behemoth]]
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| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
| [[Pot of Avarice]]
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| [[Megamorph]]
| Seems to be really good in certain decks, recycling cards like Rescue Cat (now banned). Also, back then, decks were slow, so this card was widely used. However, decks only use 1 or 2 for consistency purposes anyway; unless it was a Cat Synchro deck, that usually ran 3 (but Cat's banned as mentioned earlier). The format is now much faster, with decks that want to keep the monsters in the graveyard for revival.
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| Doubling original ATK can be a lot, sometimes enough to OTK. The drawback of halving when you have more LPs isn't too bad either as you can equip it to your opponent's monsters. Also, Equip Spells are still bad and have gotten worse now that we have 3 MSTs.
| =
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| -
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|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
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| [[Overload Fusion]]
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| Back then, [[Future Fusion]] and [[Chimeratech Overdragon]] combo provided a large beatstick, nowadays, beatsticks don't mean as much.
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| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Smashing Ground]]
 
| [[Smashing Ground]]
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| Back then, [[Exodia_OTK#Makyura.27s_Exodia|Makyura Exodia]] decks were everywhere. Then they realised that Makyura was the thing that needed to be banned.
 
| Back then, [[Exodia_OTK#Makyura.27s_Exodia|Makyura Exodia]] decks were everywhere. Then they realised that Makyura was the thing that needed to be banned.
 
| =
 
| =
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|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
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| [[Icarus Attack]]
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| Powerful Chainable 2 for 2 card, which made Blackwings lethal. Now that they aren't topping much, and with Heavy Storm and 3 MSTs, this could come back down.
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| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Drop Off]]
 
| [[Drop Off]]
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| Back then, this Draw power was extremely good. It's bad now.
 
| Back then, this Draw power was extremely good. It's bad now.
 
| =
 
| =
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|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
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| [[Gravity Bind]]
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| Stalls a lot, but Konami is promoting people to buy Xyz Monsters, which aren't affected by it. See also Level Limit - Area B (above).
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| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Reckless Greed]]
 
| [[Reckless Greed]]
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:: See also: [[Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart]]. {{User:Falzar_FZ/Sig}} 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)<br>
 
:: See also: [[Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart]]. {{User:Falzar_FZ/Sig}} 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)<br>
   
== Edit Log ==
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= Discussion =
 
* Created page. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
* Added "Edit Log" and "Discussion" sections. ^_^--<span style="background-color:LightCyan; border:4px ridge blue; -moz-border-radius:1em;">&nbsp;[[User:Hide Head Turtle|<span style="color:black;">'''HHTurtle'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Hide Head Turtle|'''Talk''']]</sup> &nbsp;</span> 11:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
* Small note on Cyber Jar, more reasons for Stratos, Lumina, Mind Master, etc. Links to a few terms. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
* Stickied as [[User_talk:Falzar_FZ#About_your_list...|requested]]. It'd work after the feature's been implemented. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 08:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
* Updated for September 2010. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 13:34, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
* Table format/colour change. Well, I personally find it much easier to navigate through the list. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 10:24, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
* Adding reasons for cards that were unlimited from past formats (before March 10). <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 06:59, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Discussion ==
 
   
=== Before March 2010 ===
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== Before March 2010 ==
   
 
: Thought I'd add a few reasons to the cards that were unlimited before March 2010.
 
: Thought I'd add a few reasons to the cards that were unlimited before March 2010.
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: Nice. Adding. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 06:20, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
: Nice. Adding. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 06:20, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
   
=== March 2010 ===
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== March 2010 ==
   
 
To start things off...<br>Why is [[Metamorphosis]] banned when [[Thousand-Eyes Restrict]] is also banned? Isn't that the main reason?<br>Did Konami ban Victory Dragon because they can? because there's something called [[surrender]]ing. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
To start things off...<br>Why is [[Metamorphosis]] banned when [[Thousand-Eyes Restrict]] is also banned? Isn't that the main reason?<br>Did Konami ban Victory Dragon because they can? because there's something called [[surrender]]ing. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
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:The problem with victory dragon is since they ALWAYS could possibly win the match, even if you won 2 of three, you must play the third game, since they could win the match still--[[User:Helix-king|Helix-king]] ([[User talk:Helix-king|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Helix-king|contribs]]) 15:45, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 
:The problem with victory dragon is since they ALWAYS could possibly win the match, even if you won 2 of three, you must play the third game, since they could win the match still--[[User:Helix-king|Helix-king]] ([[User talk:Helix-king|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Helix-king|contribs]]) 15:45, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
   
=== September 2010 ===
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== September 2010 ==
   
 
* Updating and...
 
* Updating and...
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::: Fixed Brionac. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 05:10, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
::: Fixed Brionac. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 05:10, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
   
== Breaker? ==
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=== Breaker? ===
   
 
Where are the reasons for [[Breaker the Magical Warrior]] being banned and limited for a while? Just saying...
 
Where are the reasons for [[Breaker the Magical Warrior]] being banned and limited for a while? Just saying...
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: I'm fine with the current 'Chance of going up/down the list' values. If anyone has a different opinion on then, then go ahead and point them out. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 11:00, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
: I'm fine with the current 'Chance of going up/down the list' values. If anyone has a different opinion on then, then go ahead and point them out. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 11:00, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
   
== Who is up for unbanning some yugioh cards ==
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=== Who is up for unbanning some yugioh cards ===
   
 
yugioh company WHY DO YOU CREATE CARDS WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO BANN THEM
 
yugioh company WHY DO YOU CREATE CARDS WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO BANN THEM
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: Probably a form of Empty Jar which spammed [[Cyber Jar]] abused it. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 12:12, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
: Probably a form of Empty Jar which spammed [[Cyber Jar]] abused it. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 12:12, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
   
=== March 2011 ===
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== March 2011 ==
   
 
: Assuming Shriek had it right:
 
: Assuming Shriek had it right:
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Everyone who wished to play competitively or at least make their decks better would. It's only a Super Rare so it wouldn't be much more expensive than 20/30 dollars.{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}}
 
Everyone who wished to play competitively or at least make their decks better would. It's only a Super Rare so it wouldn't be much more expensive than 20/30 dollars.{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}}
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== September 2011 ==
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Updated for Sept'11 list. Was less accurate due to lack of update since Xyz Monsters being released, Konami wanting to promote Xyz Monsters (a lot), and a few things that no one expected anyway. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 13:44, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

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Key:
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 It should stay where it is.  
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 Chances are, it would become more Limited.  
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 Chances are, it would become less Limited.  
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 Not sure / Please discuss below on what should go in these.  
   
 In the Forbidden List, the chance of them coming off the Forbidden list is in order of Low, Very Low, Never.  


In case someone somehow missed it. Click "Show" on the right side of the bar.
This list is for the people who are curious about why certain cards are banned/limited.
This list can also assist people before posting a prediction on the next banlist.
Please help out by pointing out changes that should be made in the list (if any) (please include reasons).
Keep in mind that the TCG banlist is exactly the same as the OCG banlist (minus the OCG exclusives). So, reasons should be based on the OCG rulings. (adding a note to those would be appreciated, something like the one on Victory Dragon.)
And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
See also: Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart. --  Falzar FZ  talk page  useful stuff    07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Before March 2010

Thought I'd add a few reasons to the cards that were unlimited before March 2010.
This is a list of the cards which I wasn't sure about, so if anyone has any ideas on these (or any that I missed), feel free to post in this section. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:59, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
  1. Abyss Soldier was Semi'd from April '05 to Sept '05 due to its abuse with Sinister Serpent, allowing infinite bouncing once each turn. After Sinister Serpent got Forbidden, Abyss Soldier possibly dwindled in use, and came back to Unlimited.
  2. Exiled Force was a very useful tool in the Warrior Toolbox. As the popularity of the Toolbox dwindled it eventually came off the list.
  3. Jinzo was popular early in the game's history since the game was slow enough to allow for monsters to be Tribute Summoned. Then the metagame picked up speed, where Special Summons became more favourable, and Jinzo dwindled in popularity due to both Royal Decree and presence of better monsters to Special Summon. Jinzo went back to unlimited possibly due to the Jinzo support popping up in Light of Destruction, and possibly stayed unlimited since its change in status didn't affect its use.
  4. Lightning Vortex was Limited due to abuse with Sinister Serpent for cheap frying of the opponent's face-up monsters. It still saw some abuse since there were 2 Night Assailants still on the list. It finally came off the Limited status after Night Assailant hit 1 on the next list.
  5. Morphing Jar 2 was a very potent field-disrupter, freezing the battle phase and eating up Nomis and Tribute monsters the moment it was flipped. This is probably why it was Semi, until '05 when destroying monsters with effects became more popular than battle, giving a very good way to circumvent its Flip Effect. It probably disappeared off the meta then, and so went back to unlimited.
  6. Protector of the Sanctuary was formerly abused with things like Time Seal and Yata-Garasu as an additional layer of insurance for such a lock since the opponent could only break the lock by drawing with a card effect. Time Seal and Yata soon got banned, leaving no reason to limit Protector of the Sanctuary.
  7. Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys and its Decks were popular back in '06. Back then, destruction with effects were all the rage, and Sacred Phoenix was nigh-unkillable with destruction effects, providing a Heavy Storm effect each time they tried to kill it that way. Eventually, the metagame picked up its pacing with RFG and more chainable cards coming into fashion, and Nephthys dwindled in popularity. Should now explain why it's unlimited now. This should also explain Vampire Lord and Zombie Decks in that day.

That's the best I can come up with to explain the above cards. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 11:55, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nice. Adding. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:20, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

March 2010

To start things off...
Why is Metamorphosis banned when Thousand-Eyes Restrict is also banned? Isn't that the main reason?
Did Konami ban Victory Dragon because they can? because there's something called surrendering. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Metamorphosis can still summon some very strong Fusion Monsters easily. For Victory Dragon, you have to understand that although you can surrender anytime during the duel in the TCG, you can only surrender starting from the 10th turn in the OCG so it still makes Victory Dragon very BROKEN.-- HHTurtle Talk   06:09, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
So since Metamorphosis is now banned, do you think they'll eventually take Thousand-Eyes Restrict off the banlist?--76.27.8.201 (talk) 07:25, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
I highly doubt that it will come off the list. When used properly, it's better than Gravity Bind and Level Limit - Area B. I've added the combo above. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:43, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
Metal Reflect Slime + Cyber End Dragon.--Helix-king (talkcontribs) 15:41, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. Adding + slight expansion on the topic. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm right there with you on the Ojama Trio, RoTA, and Judgement Dragon bits for sure. Everything else I'm pretty neutral about though. Goblinpunch787

Good to hear that you don't specifically disagree to anything. This list is supposed to be something that almost everyone can generally agree on. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed that each card has a reason next to it. nice! Thanks for those who contributed.
Now to do the "Chances" column. I would prefer it if no one changes this column (to prevent edit wars). Instead, please post below and discuss them. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ojama Trio is "not less limited" for good reason. The only way to turn Ojama Trio on it's head for general decks is to tune them, but when you don't have a tuner, it clogs your field to prevent swarming of any more than 2 monsters, and stops all kinds of other stuff. It's another OTK stopper, It makes Ojama Decks practically unstoppable, and there are also many ways to abuse it to create OTKs. I totally agree with pretty much everything else, entirely. Great list. NecrofearNorleras (talkcontribs) 14:55, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the guy above me. I'm not sure if you guys know of this but there was an annoying deck in the OCG when Ojama Trio was released. You activate Ground Collapse during your turn and then activate Ojama Trio during your opponent's turn, preferably during the Draw Phase or Standby Phase. This will cause your opponent to have no real use of their monster zones. It was really annoying and broken.-- HHTurtle Talk   16:22, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
If you have a Tuner, can't you switch the token to ATK mode, suicide (with 0 ATK >.<), then summon a Tuner and Synchro for a level 5-8 monster? But still, I'll consider changing that a bit. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:50, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

There's something that shouldn't be there. Changing Decree, Oppression and Drain: = → - until it's further discussed.
Their strengths are too different. Oppression might be Limited, while the other 2 may stay imo. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, Victory Dragon ain't broken anymore, due to many removable - Fissure, Smashing Ground, Lightning Vortex, Mirror Force, Bottomless Trap Hole, etc. So why is it stay on banlist, eh? Oh yes, no one playing Match duel when come to him. --FredCat100 (talkcontribs) 19:01, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
The problem with victory dragon is since they ALWAYS could possibly win the match, even if you won 2 of three, you must play the third game, since they could win the match still--Helix-king (talkcontribs) 15:45, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

  • Updating and...
  • Correct
  • Brain Control - It was on chance on going up, which was right.
  • Rescue Cat - up, which was right.
  • Monster Reborn - low chance of coming down, right.
  • Dark Hole - low chance of coming down, right.
  • Royal Oppression - I knew this was going up, which is why I split the cont. trap trio
  • Mystical Space Typhoon - chance of coming down, right.
  • Chaos Sorcerer - chance of coming down, right.
  • Ojama Trio - chance of coming down, right.
  • Goblin Zombie - was on my prediction list for March, a bit late, but I was right.
  • Treeborn Frog - Well, I did say read the card.
  • United We Stand - I kinda knew this, with the list of so many ways to stop it.
  • Incorrect
  • Magic Cylinder
  • Black Rose Dragon
  • Cyber Dragon
  • Heavy Storm
  • Not Predicted
  • Black Whirlwind
  • Snipe Hunter
  • Royal Decree
  • New
  • Substitoad
  • Infernity Launcher
  • Trishula


You should update harpie's feather duster and Change of heart in your list since they say that heavy storm and Brain control are still limited. Jens (talkcontribs) 18:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:36, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Corrected position of Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 14:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it was right before. Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain are still Semi. Only Decree went to Unlimited. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:20, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

(struck my elbow on Falzar's chest) don't forget that Royal Oppression is limited, so to not confused it with Decree.. --FredCat T.P.F.R.J.R.W.S. 23:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
Ah. My bad, then. I've read the wrong parts of the card articles. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs)

187.139.220.27 (talk) 21:16, August 30, 2010 (UTC)solemn judment should be un limited or semi limited in my opinion because it cost a lot of life points and it can give a lot of play for many forgotten and unplayable decks (itsus,union not vwxyz,billy decks, princess pikeru etc...)

Very nice page, although someone forgot to change the bg colour for CCV and Exchange of the Spirit. Fixed now. --Hozu (talkcontribs) 21:48, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Dark Magician of Chaos part says "Monster Reborn is also forbidden". Remember that it is now limited 186.4.40.87 (talk) 05:22, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'll fix that right now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:29, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Also as Rescue Cat is now forbidden you should change the description of Summoner Monk --ME!!!!!!!!!! (talkcontribs) 12:02, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Done. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:13, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think that Magician of Faith and Imperial Iron Wall Imperial Order should be changed to never. Magician of Faith creates an infinite loop with Book of Moon and Final Attack Orders and Royal Magical Library. Imperial Order creates an infinite loop with Axe of Foolishness and Jinzo. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 01:20, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Since when was IIW on the Ban List???...BassNettoHikari2...Chat Page... 06:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hey FZ, you need to fix:

  • Brionac's color to white;
  • Cyber Dragon and Treeborn Frog can't go up, they're Unlimited;
  • Monster Reborn/Dark Hole/Dandylion's chances to = or "Low chance of ↓".

--Missign0 (talkcontribs) 06:39, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Look at the order the list goes in. No One Special (talkcontribs) 01:26, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
Fixed Brionac. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:10, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Breaker?

Where are the reasons for Breaker the Magical Warrior being banned and limited for a while? Just saying...

--Kageakumo 01:35, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Not all cards that were limited/banned before March 2010 were added, I'm slowly adding them in though. Breaker's added now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:59, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

We're approaching March 2011. Maybe it's about time some more predictions were added? --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 10:09, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Imo, banlist predictions can go in their own threads in Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Lists Discussion, just like how it was always done.
I'm fine with the current 'Chance of going up/down the list' values. If anyone has a different opinion on then, then go ahead and point them out. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:00, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Who is up for unbanning some yugioh cards

yugioh company WHY DO YOU CREATE CARDS WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO BANN THEM

This is a good and rare card and any reason you say to bann this card is simply STUPID

Do you know how many children want this card and how mutch it costs

UNBANN ALL CARDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —This unsigned comment was made by Tin666 (talkcontribs)

Or, you know, play tradition instead of advanced? —This unsigned comment was made by 67.204.168.170 (talkcontribs)

Two responses:

Banning cards is just Yugioh's way of recognising that they've made a horrible, easily-overlooked mistake, and this is the least they can do to prevent the breaking of games. Clearly you haven't been around in the game before Dark Dive got banned, or at least not been on the receving end of one.
Limiting Gorz actually keeps its price lower than if it were unlimited, since doing so would control the demand for Gorz. Do recall what happens to a card's price each time it shifts down the list - loosening restrictions on the card would mean that more people would want it since they can put more in their Decks, propelling the price to greater heights. No doubt, Gorz is a little expensive, but its current state allows it to be at its cheapest without outright banning it.

If you're still pissed, go do as the above IP Address has said and stick to Traditional. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 03:29, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Gorz is cheap... I can get it for less than $1.... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
Really? The usual price here in SG is about 10 SGD. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 12:08, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
Bulk buy ftw (share with friends, and along with a bunch of other cards), but for singles, it should still be less than AUD$2 (SGD$2.5)
DLG1 Gorz. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:24, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
What is Dark Dive? I can't find it.-[User:BobaFett2|BobaFett2]] Talk£3.99
Dark Dive Bomber = Dark Strike Fighter's Translation from Original Japanese name. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:01, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
@ Gadjiltron Clearly he hasn't been on the receiving end of someone abusing Monster reborn with Magician of faith to cycle Raigeki and Harpies Feather Duster either. Or not on the recieving end of Chaos Emperor Dragon, which can potentially do 9900 damage in one hit if the field is full and each player has 6 cards in their hand, or even more if they have extra cards in their hand through an effect like Infinite cards. Nicholas Ranayhossaini (talkcontribs) 03:30, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

I've noticed that Book of Taiyou was on the Limited List for a short moment (Sep '05-Apr '06), though I can't quite figure out a reason why. Any ideas? --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 09:28, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Probably a form of Empty Jar which spammed Cyber Jar abused it. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:12, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

March 2011

Assuming Shriek had it right:
  • Correct
    • Cold Wave
    • Honest - But LSs and Heros are not topping... and Revelation is going to come out...
    • Dandylion
    • Card Trooper - Predicted to be exactly 2, reason was given in the list.
    • Spirit Reaper - Chance of coming down was right, but Book is going up? We now have less Targetting effects now...
    • Snipe Hunter - I said it was Outdated...
    • Demise, King of Armageddon - Same as snipe
    • Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier - List said =, unless Mass Driver gets hit. And Mass Driver got hit.
    • Gold Sarcophagus - Too slow
  • Not Predicted
    • Goyo Guardian - ...
    • Book of Moon - ...
    • Megamorph - Konami thinks Equip Spells are not threats any more. Mage Power down, United We Stand down, now this.
    • Skill Drain - There aren't any winning decks that use this...
    • Ultimate Offering - Same as Skill Drain
  • Incorrect
    • Overload Fusion - List had it as saying at 1, but I suppose it could come down, as Cydra decks aren't winning, and well, if you use 1, you have no machines to use the 2nd one, so you need to send more machines first, but you only have 1 Future Fusion.
    • Chaos Sorcerer - List had it as saying at 2
  • New
    • Mass Driver - I knew it will only ever be at 0 or 3.
    • Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow - BWs had it coming.
    • Gateway of the Six - SSs had it coming.
    • Archlord Kristya - I had it marked as 'probably won't happen, but it's possible...' on my predictions list.
    • Debris Dragon - I had it as 'Might Happen' due to Dandylion, Snowman Eater and Darksoul
    • Royal Tribute - I personally did NOT expect this to be hit (even at 2), GKs do not win much any more. The time that it topped was only because of the (quote) "Surprise Buttsecks" factor.
    • Solemn Warning - This getting hit was obvious
    • Icarus Attack - BWs had it coming. They were going to be hit hard this time.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:49, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reasons list adjusted to reflect new banlist. Newly shifted entries are reset to "-". --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 15:59, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I was unaware that Megamorph was unlimited. 76.121.80.38 (talk) 02:05, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:10, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sixth Sense isn't on the forbidden &limited list last I checked. --Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 13:26, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sixth Sense is an OCG Only card, so it's on the OCG list. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:30, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
  • I dunno,GGHK seems okay than a 'bad card'...whats so bad about it? I mean you could mill one copy and easy power up the second copy and the last one is better then graceful charity. Superboltboy (talkcontribs) 02:43, May 8, 2011 (UTC)SBB

Graceful Charity will always be better than the third copy of Good Goblin Housekeeping. Sending it to the graveyard is almost always preferable to returning it to the bottom of your deck.BobaFett2 (talk)

Good Goblin Housekeeping is situational, Graceful Charity works almost any time. Also, Dark Worlds would gain immensely from it.
Off topic; if you're going to sign like that, it's probably better to use "{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}} ~~~~~" The 5 tilde gives a timestamp (only). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:35, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
I would but I use "Nosubst" in my signature due to having a large signature on a few other wikis that do use "Nosubst". I'll just manually add one.BobaFett2 (talk) 7:17, May 28, 2011 (UTC).

Cyber Jar should be Very Low since it's way too powerful. Goyo would be Low, since a new format could easily make it less overpowered again. Cold Wave should be Very Low...OTK decks lack consistency due to only having one Trunade. Cold Wave would break monster-based OTK decks. Mass Driver should be Very Low as well because of OTK decks. Metamorphosis would be Low or Very Low-it's basically a cheaper Polymerization. Imperial Order should be Never-Decree is tough enough to deal with. Time Seal would be Very Low or more likely Never-it's like The Forceful Sentry although either more or less powerful depending on your Point of View. Honest will almost definitely stay the same.BobaFett2 (talk)

Wait? If equip cards are going off the list, will Butterfly Dagger - Elma come off then? Also, could someone enlighten me on how many loops use Butterfly Dagger? The only one I know of is the Infinite Spell Counter loop. --184.96.194.141 (talk) 03:57, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Most are listed at Card Tips:Butterfly Dagger - Elma... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:18, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the page. Why don't they just ban Gearfried The Iron Knight and take off Butterfly Dagger? --184.96.194.141 (talk) 20:53, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Because Gearfried sucks and the Dagger is broken. There's no point banning a bad card to unban a broken one.BobaFett2 (talk)

Makes sense. My next question is how many people still have these older cards on the ban list? How many of us still have a LOB Raigeki? How long has it been since Konami has reprinted it? Are people hoarding these banned cards in mass amounts? Over time, won't these banned cards get harder and harder to find if Konami doesn't keep reprinting them. --184.96.244.62 (talk) 02:27, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Nobody cares about finding banned cards, because they are banned, i.e. they can't be used and are worthless. Lappyzard (talkcontribs) 02:48, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

If it's a mint Secret Rare for a few bucks at my local store I'll buy it. Or a mint Ultra. Such as a 1.99 Imperial Order I got at the store. BobaFett2 (talk)

But will people jump the bandwagon if Raigeki became limited? IF Raigeki became limited, then would people start using it because it was limited and not forbidden? Will mass yugioh players jump the bandwagon when X card from the forbidden list comes off? --184.96.244.62 (talk) 06:05, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

What bandwagon are you talking about? If Raigeki became Limited, EVERYONE would use it. EVERYONE except morons who think that staples are for elitist.BobaFett2 (talk)

Your reference to "Everyone would use it" is the bandwagon I was talking about. So if everyone would use the limited Raigeki, that means people who didn't own a Raigeki go out of their way to find one again? --184.96.244.62 (talk) 23:06, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Everyone who wished to play competitively or at least make their decks better would. It's only a Super Rare so it wouldn't be much more expensive than 20/30 dollars.BobaFett2 (talk)

September 2011

Updated for Sept'11 list. Was less accurate due to lack of update since Xyz Monsters being released, Konami wanting to promote Xyz Monsters (a lot), and a few things that no one expected anyway. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:44, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

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