Talk:Nash

redirecting to Durbe
Vectors dialogue in episode clearly states that Nasch is another Barian emperor, so why redirect to Durbe's page even if the same introduces himself with this name? DracoX (talk • contribs) 21:08, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

who is he
i thought about his true identity and i think that he is shark and rio is merag, that would explain her connection to the barians, and when durbe touched sharks hand in the last episode shark started to glow first, the durbe's lapis recovered its powers, and also sharks ability to control numbers--Masterq (talk • contribs) 09:17, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

between Durbe "being reminded of someone" when he dueled Ryoga during Sargasso, and the fact that the silhouette of Nasch looks like Shark, plus Rio's connection to the Barian World, I'd say this will be the most likely plot twist. But it's nothing more than speculation ATM, so it really doesn't matter until more is revealed. But yeah Shark is totally gonna be Nasch.--RexGodwin (talk • contribs) 14:11, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

This is Reginald Kastle for sure. --Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 18:01, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Or his father... just like Yusei and Dr. Fudo. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:43, June 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * We do not know if Barians have father and mother, because they are recreation of the dead Human. So they just revive as the age they died in or as whole new life as Barian babies, because Reginald has his past in Human form. 5D's is one different story and I do not there is anything like other beings trying to destroy world(s). We only see Humans or Machine beings in it.--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 19:27, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Why don't we just wait until it's confirmed.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 18:48, June 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * This isn't confirmed yet. What is confirmed is that Shark had a past life. What isn't confirmed is that he's also Nasch (yeah, he obviously will be, but we should wait another week). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:49, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

With all of the evidence that has been given, it wouldn't make sense if Nasch was not Reginald Kastle (unless they decide to add a new character to the story). But until we can be 100% sure that they are the same people, we shouldn't jump the gun. 24.127.196.94 (talk) 01:31, June 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * It can be possible that Reginald Kastle is Nasch if he goes to Barian World, because Barians transformed as they enter the world. He might just transformed without his will, right? That is how other Barians do. If that will happen or confirmed that he is Nasch, then we should have no problem saying that Rio Kastle is Merag. I know Rio is a female, but I saw anime called Star Driver, where there is kind of cybody pilots called "Galactic Pretty Boy" (Ginga Bishonen) and there are two females regardless their gender (main character was like confused, those girls are Ginga Bishonens?..). Well, we will see in future episodes or as we get the news of new episodes summaries.Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 17:18, June 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Don Thousand said that Vector killed them. But when they were Humans or Barians? Seriously, this Vector... so ruthless....

shark being nasch?
guys shocking news at end of episode 109 don thousand said to vector he claimed that vector is responsible for the deaths of Nasch and Merag. Theory Merag Used Her Powers to Reborn Herself Along With Nasch to Be Humans This explains shark with a human soul he was once a barian vector was the one that killed borth Nasch and Merag Using Her Powers The Two Are Reborn as Shark and Rio on Earth Since Shark was effected byThe Numbers This is Entire Thing Happen Before ZeXal Began!(ZombieLionel (talk • contribs) 19:33, June 24, 2013 (UTC))
 * Wait until that episode air; we can't provided it like a madness. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:00, June 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Cat dude, he maybe right, okay. Because Reginald can be possessed by "Numbers". His theory is not madness. He is right and we do not know what "that episode" your talking about. If its 109, then that just released, dude.Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 22:29, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

C'mon
I know it's yet to be confirmed but it'd be dumb if he weren't Nasch. His past life HAS THE BARIAN SYMBOL ON HIS CHEST. 24.34.79.89 (talk) 11:27, June 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you have proof Reginald is Nasch? E n e r g y X  ∞ 11:28, June 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * That you have to understand if you focus on him very much, because it is really mystery right now and some proof you need will not do. The proof is Durbe said Reginald reminds him of "that man". The picture has the curls of Reginald's hair. Nasch_(shaded)_2.png About the Barian Emblem in his past life, it is possible that he was the one who design it, because he was wearing it and other legendary figures did not, and now the emblem is of Barian World. His sister, Rio Kastle, inherited the Barian powers of her, but why he does not? Vector was stated he killed them by Don Thousand. Kastle siblings are or maybe living third time by now, first as legendary figures (Human), second as Barians, and third as Human again. It is really possible that they are in their third life as Humans, because Reginald was possessed by "Number"s (I think he can possess now instead without any problem), but Rio inherited her Barian powers from her second life and Reginald did not. Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 02:19, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Until Shark is revealed to be Nasch 100 % this is pure speculation.For all we know Nasch could be some third person we never heard of.. When Shark morphs into his Barian Full Form or some other better sign then we can talk later. --Timi Nidorfer Yliaster (talk • contribs) 08:26, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

"Nasch-Shark Theory" conclusion
A.K.A: "Nasch Kastle Theory", "Nasch Kamishiro Theory", "Ryoga Nasch Theory" or "Reginal Nasch Theory". Just see the sumary of episode 121 and 122:
 * 121 haves: "While he endures the brutal assault of Vector's attacks, Shark reawakens the power of Nasch, and unleashes a counter attack using his Over-Hundred Number!". And 122 haves Reginald, a.k.a. Nasch and Yuma notices Nasch is actually his bud Shark. We can see/read the conclusion of the theory, fell free to agree, disagree, comment, correct some thing--Dragonempeorslayer (talk • contribs) 01:05, September 1, 2013 (UTC).


 * Yeah... just saying in the literal sense "reawakens the power of Nasch" doesn't necessarily mean they are the same, I would think however that Reginald, a.k.a. Nasch is proof; although I would maintain we don't actually change the page yet (until the episode confirming this airs), as it could be the episode previews lying or misleading us (I doubt it; but it has happened before). -- slave (command) 17:52, September 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * We should wait, really, those fake previews lured people to wrong editing. Beside, that "Reginald a.k.a Nasch" does not exist. So we going to see about Reginald/Nasch thing later.--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 01:12, September 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * "maintain we don't actually change the page yet (until the episode confirming this airs)"... -_- that means waiting... and as for: "Reginald, a.k.a. Nasch" DID exist when I wrote that, although that was from the previews which I have since updated (thanks to the guys over at NAC!) to the ones confirmed by NIHON AD (Animation Development) SYSTEMS, Inc. (commonly known as NAS) ... -- slave (command) 06:04, September 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * What about episode 119? Is it not enough proof already when Shark himself explicitly says "I am Nasch"? Or do you guys have to WAIT until Shark completely transforms into his Barian form before anyone is willing to believe that Shark=Nasch? Samhiuy (talk • contribs) 02:31, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Pretty much the second one. Shark only said what he THINKS is possibly true. Shark being a Barian is pretty big, so even though he said that, we need to see the truth for ourselves. This wiki is based on what we know is fact, not what we think is true. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 03:16, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Huh, past Vector himself identified Shark as Nasch in Episode 120. So, there you go for the proof, I guess. HPZ - O.N.E.   ~Hanayo Asa~  17:05, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * we can count on what characters saying as being the truth(until its proven otherwise) so with todays episode we can make the necessary change to say that Shark Nasch. Anad if we cant merge the pages then it should be atleast noted on sharks page that during his past life he was NaschF8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:26, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but one of those characters is Vector. Not all characters are trustworthy when it comes to what they say, but that doesn't really have anything to do with this :). I agree with the fact that Shark is Nasch, but that is a pretty big deal. At this point, it is pretty much fact, but we should probably wait for a full Bariarphose from Shark first, to just be sure, which will most likely come in Episode 124 based on the title. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 17:35, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, even if a character is a liar such as vector, we accept there worlds until it proven otherwise. And as far as Shark=Nasch, It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that He lived in the past as Nasch the Human, but if we need to see him change to prove that he is also Nasch the Barian, i can see where you're coming from, although i personally think it unecessary.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:41, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I was mostly kidding about the whole trustworthy character thing (Vector would have no reason to lie about that, especially since his past incarnation had no idea about Nasch/Shark's inner conflict) :). But, I actually agree with you that it is kinda unnecessary but, remember when it turned out Rei was Vector, we even saw him transform ourselfs and it still took a while for people to accept it. My point is, there are people who will be against the whole "Shark is Nasch" thing until they see what they consider is undeniable proof. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:34, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * well as far as the whole rei/vector thing there was literally nothing to support the argument against (it was more or less people unwillingness to accept that the show would go in such a dark direction), and even with this situation there's definitive proof that shark is Nasch, but as i said I can see the necessity to wait, but based on the preview i feel like all neceassry proof(if it wasnt provided in this episode) will be provided next week.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 18:52, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * You got me there on the whole Rei=Vector thing, NO ONE saw that coming. But yeah, there is much more proof on Shark=Nasch. I think some of the higher-up Users should definitely help with this… but until then, we should probably wait for now. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 19:00, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * We know Shark is Nasch, but why he did not knew is the question. Yes, he is Nasch, I believe and support that. But things are going to be revealed at episode 124, so we can see him turning Barian, but I do jot exactly think he will become in his Barian because of the Nsch thing about he was murdered by Vector. So, I think he is a Human in body at the moment.--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 19:55, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry…what? Not to be rude, but please edit your comment so it is readable because I have no idea what you are trying to say. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 19:59, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmmm
I'm not willing to admit or say that is could be definite prof that Shark is Nasch. Maybe Nasch was a shark look alike in the past, but maybe not, as certain proof has directed towards shark being nasch. most episode previews are wrong, and some translations can be incorrect. i prefer to wait for the show to answer, and im not saying anything else--Malek Kriya (talk • contribs) 20:02, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * For me this episode confirms what most have thought for a long time, that Shark is Nasch. Admittedly I think we'll all feel a little better once he and Merag whoever (S)he is actually assume their Barian forms but this for me confirms that Shark is Nasch leader of the Barian Emperors and I think this is long overdue. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 20:27, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * On a side note i agree with what you say, but further information about Merag and Nasch is yet to be revealed. Shark may have accepted the fact that he is a Barian, but will he continue to go with it and accept the mission he set out when he was Nasch, the Barian Emperor, or will he retaliate and side with Yuma. The same can be said about his sister, whether or not she is Merag. If its later revealed she is Merag, will she set out the mission to destroy the astral world as well, or will she side with Yuma--Malek Kriya (talk • contribs) 21:17, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Malek shark being a look-alike makes literally no sense, They went through shark's memories, memories he could not possibly have had unless he was Nasch. And we can confirm that he is Nasch off of this one episode alone. @Kaisai Merag must obviously be a girl if Durbe thought Rio as merag, so we atleast know merag if femaleF8lfire (talk • contribs) 21:30, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I bet Shark will join the Barians at first, but then realize that even though he is Nasch, he is still Shark and he must do what he thinks is right, not what Nasch would have done (had he not lost all his memories). NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:34, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I'm a little less sure about Merag being Rio now mostly due to the strange storyline they have woven with her. I mean we know she died in the past, we know the little girl Iris looked like her and was taken into Barian World, we know she was reborn but died again when Kurage ran into the car, we know that somehow she survived as well. That's slightly confusing. One more time she might have died if she is Merag is when Vector killed her along with Nasch. I'm not 100% sure Rio is Merag because I don't believe everything Durbe says, he could indeed be wrong although I believe 100% that Shark, Ryoga in present day in infact Nasch. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 22:43, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

@KasaiWolf, i agree with what you say about Rio, i mean iris could be merag as well, because she looks a lot like rio with hair color being different, although rio also had a past life. this mystery will be solved soon, but i hope that shark doesn't go with the barians, because if he does it will just be heartbreak to me. shark is my favorite character, and i also agree with you on about durbe. and it is sad to me to accept that shark is nasch, but thats how it is --Malek Kriya (talk • contribs) 02:10, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Merging with Shark Page
This is not needed, Nasch can be a alternative personality like Dark Marik or Dark Bakura, that have separated page, Nasch or "Dark Shark" may can be one split personality like the other two Dark sides mentioned above.--Dragonempeorslayer (talk • contribs) 00:07, September 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no evidence at all that Nasch is a split personality. Shark and Nasch are the same person who somehow lost his memories and thats all there is to it. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 00:37, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Better let be this decided later until the episode airs where Shark transforms into Nasch. DracoX (talk • contribs) 00:45, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * we don't even know if shark will accept his fate as a barian or if he will think in transforming it, i mean episode previews people make are all lies, like when they made those pages of shark awakening the power of nasch in what was supposed to be next wek episode, or the episode that just passed today. for all we know shark has accepted that he is a barian but will he accept it far enough to betray his friends, espiecally yuma--Malek Kriya (talk • contribs) 02:14, September 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those episode previews came from a very trustworthy source. Episode descriptions are generally very accurate. That was just one of the times they were not (or the original story got changed at that point). NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 17:09, September 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I think we should leave this unmerged. As Golden Key pointed out to me, this is just like Yami Yugi and Pharaoh Atem having separate articles. Furthermore, I suggest we split the past lives of the other Barian Emperors to their own articles as well. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:05, September 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, I thought of the exact same thing, but I wasn't sure anyone would agree with me on that, but when thinking about Pharaoh and Yami it makes much more sense. The Barians and their past lives are not exactly the same people, as they lived entirely different lives as well as having different personalities (for the most part). NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 00:35, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

it make more sense to have them merged as the only real diffrence from shark in various time periods, it's his environment, he still has the same personality. Its just him over a vast period of time especially now that he has his full memories back, it makes more sense to have merged pages than separate onesF8lfire (talk • contribs) 00:56, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I still don't buy it. For all we know Nasch could be someone else and is using Shark as a vessel, like how the Immortals used the Dark Signers. After all, if we follow the episodes so far, Shark and Rio are suppose to be dead from the car crash.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:18, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

That dosnt' really match up with a few establish plot points ( the Kamishiro family crest, Shark's being the only person to have summon a choas number/xyz without some sort of external power, Rios Clairvoyancy, Shark being able to repair the Barialapse through contact, and Durbe's despcritpion of Nasch as an honorable man, as well as the fact that if he were doing this to screw with shark and rio, that there's no reason to leave the other emperors out on the plan), besides it's already been accepted and establish that Shark=Nasch. page merging is the only on topic issueF8lfire (talk • contribs) 01:37, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was also accepted at one point in time that Ray Shadows and Vector were two different people, but we know how that turned out. I say hold off on the merger until we are absolutely positive that they are one in the same. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:34, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * One thing does not make sense to me. It has pretty much been established that the Barians have an immunity against the influence of the Numbers, right? Assuming that Shark is Nasch, who somehow lost his memories and ended up on Earth, why was Shark affected by the Numbers' influence…twice? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 15:22, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

1) I dont think that's ever been established(that just seems to be the case) 2) if this is the case we must also take into account that he is most likly re-reborn as a human. 3) its very likely that this is a plot point that they decided to add into the show later on(and i gotta admit its a damn good one), and that it may not have originally been intended for shark to be a barian.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 15:28, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I kinda figured the plot point thing, I'm just saying that there is a hole in the story… Heh, I also bet they didn't plan on originally giving Shark a sister either. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:47, September 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we should put it to a vote? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 03:23, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Shark before he knew he was nasch

So this seems real shark dueled yuma and didnt know he was nasch till up to now and then now he has defeated vector and has nothing left but dumon and rio spirits on his side Bblitz (talk • contribs) 00:50, September 11, 2013 (UTC)bblitz

I say we leave those two as they are for the time being. When we have CLEAR confirmation on the relation between Nasch and Shark, should we merge/swap/edit the pages. Dennis Phantom (talk • contribs) 15:58, September 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * We already have clear confirmation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:32, September 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that we should keep the pages separate until we have more detail, such as how Shark/Nasch lost his memories and ended up Earth. But, I also think we should create separate pages for each Barian's past life, as the past life characters and present day Barians are not quite the same characters. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:56, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

They are the same people(even if some of them have changed over time), making them have separate pages is the logical equivalent of having one page for a character when he's 10 and another for when he's 20F8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:03, September 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, not really. This is an issue of past lives. They are different people. Reincarnations, but still not the same life. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:10, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

not necessary it the same as if a person died and went to heaven or hell, they're still the same person, just a diffrent being, the "soul" is the same, the outer shell is the only real diffrenceF8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:21, September 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, no. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:28, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

That dosent really prove anything as of now, seeing as how the person we know as "Rio" could either be the spirit of the little girls who died, or the spirit of merag in the body of that child, Just as the chracter we know as "shark"could be Nasch in the body of the child who suppossedly died, or that child himself..F8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:50, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing can be said with absolute certainty at this point. All we know is that the WATER duelist we've been seeing for 120 episodes is Nasch. Shark might be dead for 10 years already and his body is now hosting Nasch alone. That's one of the theories. Another theory is that Shark and Nasch are one in both body and soul. In that case, go look at Bruno. Dennis Phantom (talk • contribs) 19:50, September 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? Since when then did that theory show up? Look, the way I see it, Shark and Nasch share one body but since Nasch forgot who he was, that immediately created Reginald Kastle. That is obviously a possible theory, but that first theory of yours really doesn't have much support other than the car accident. Of course, that does not mean that it is not possible. Bottom line, we don't know the full story, so we really should wait another episode or two before making such a big change. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 22:56, September 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Do we know the whole story? No. But we do know that in his past life, Shark was Nasch. That's enough. We'll update as we know more, as always. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:15, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * @NMBRHNTR64 That's what I said. Just leave the pages be for the moment. And as for Nasch's amnesia creating Shark, that's exactly the same thing as Bruno and Vizor.Dennis Phantom (talk • contribs) 12:14, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

i agree with Cheesedude. plus when we found out that vector and ray shadows where the same person, we merged there pages, so we should do the same here. superlmno(Superlmno (talk • contribs) 00:41, September 12, 2013 (UTC))


 * Alrighty then. Now we wait… NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 00:50, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * This is not a comparable case to Vector and Rei. Vector and Rei are literally, 100% the same person. Here, its a reincarnation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:31, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, it is not just a reincarnation. Shark is Nasch. They share a past life, but Shark IS present day Nasch who went missing (at least that is the story we think thus far). NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 12:20, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, but my point was that they share a past life. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:52, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know, but I can see what they mean. It is somewhat a similar case, but of course the idea of Shark being Nasch was hinted a long time ago, while there was practically no evidence of Rei being Vector. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 13:12, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

I think this page for Nasch should be merged with Shark, while Dark Marik and Marik were separate people and the same for Yugi and Atem this doesn't apply to Nasch and Shark. Nasch and Shark are one soul and one person. Nasch was Shark in the past and Shark is Nasch now. Merging the articles is the smartest thing to do. As for creating separate articles for the rest of the Emperors, that's not the best thing to do, you see Mizael, Gilag and Alit wouldn't have much in the articles at all because we don't know all that much about their past lives. Durbe and Vector would be a little different because we have seen them multiple times. Just a humble opinion. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 14:42, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Right. Shark and Nasch are the same person, but different personalities. It is like Yugi Muto and Yami Yugi. Those pages should be merged first before these two. LionHeartKIng (talk • contribs) 15:50, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

it's nothing alike, yugi and yami yugi are two completely different people sharing a body, Shark and Nasch are the same person in both soul and personalityF8lfire (talk • contribs) 16:27, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, technically Shark is Nasch, but remember that Nasch had his own life before…whatever it was… happened to him (and I am talking about Barian life not past life). The Barian Emperor Nasch had his own life, experiences, etc. and was his own person, not Shark, before he was killed by Vector… or again, whatever it was that happened. Yes, Shark and Nasch share a body and a past life, but in reality they have different memories, experiences, and overall… souls. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 20:32, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

I dunno, I would still have thought that since the other Barians who are Barian right now had their pages merged with their past lives the same would happen to Nasch and Merag also. I mean sure Nasch did have his own life experiences but if I remember correctly even his very name was the same (Ryoga) though I could be wrong about this. I just think they should be merged otherwise it's going to be very confusing eventually because you'll basically have the information on Nasch's page considering it happened to him and then you'll have it again on Shark's page because he remembered it all from being Nasch. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 23:18, September 16, 2013 (UTC)