Forum:Clearing up xyz monsters

Well, once again, Bashfrog is here to get in your hair and never, ever come out. Today, I'd like to talk about xyz monsters. You see, I love xyz monsters. They're easy to incorporate into almost anything (in most cases) and since I have an issue with finding all the monsters needed for just one fusion monster, like Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon, or Super Vehicroid - Jumbo Drill, or who could forget Ojama King, which would probably be torture to acquire the monsters for back when it came out, and even worse to get all the cards you'd need for an actual good ojama deck! But anyway, enough about that. We're here to clear up all the many, many intricacies of xyz monsters. So without further ado, here are the stupid questions!

①- Overlaying Everyone knows what xyz materials are. They get put under your xyz monster when you summon it. The problem though, is: can you overlay an xyz monster on an xyz monster? I'm pretty sure no, from what I've looked at, but if so, it's disappointing, especially when it means Number 91: Thunder Spark Dragon actually needs to obtain two more xyz material to use it's second effect. In other words: complete stupidity. On the other hand, you could say it's good if some xyz monsters can't get more material. Overall though, it seems pretty disappointing. Unless it isn't.

②- Xyz materials Moving on to the confusing things, there's xyz materials. Within the same set of games I talked about last time, I was caught in a dilemma: If you detach xyz material from, say Madolche Queen Tiaramisu, or maybe Cyber Dragon Nova, which comes first, the detaching or the effect? Once again, a stupid question. Just slightly less stupid. The difference can be crucial. With a Madolche deck, as I've slowly realized, many, many of the best cards benefit Madolche cards, especially monsters, already being in the graveyard just to speed things up. There are only two ways to do this with only Madolche cards: #1, tribute to summon Madolche Puddingcess, and #2, detach an xyz material from Madolche Queen Tiaramisu. (Please don't stop reading. I realize my stupidity later.) The point being, you have to rely on outside cards just to get things in the graveyard, as your opponent won't be helping you at all. By the way, Necrovalley isn't a counter to Madolche monsters. It only prevents card effects besides the card itself from removing a card from the graveyard. Although I guess that's bad for Madolche Marmalmaid, Madolche Hootcake, and Madolche Lesson, except oh wait- Madolche Chateau removes Necrovalley anyway! But, back to the subject. Madolche Queen Tiaramisu, unless you're using non-Madolche cards, which you should, can only shuffle opponent's cards into their deck by shuffling your own cards from your graveyard into your deck. I just realized it doesn't matter whether they're monsters or not. Whatever, Fiend Comedian is still the greatest. Anyway, despite looking stupid, and the fact you already are commenting, the real question is, what happens first, the effect, or the xyz material going into the graveyard? If it's the xyz material, that means you can immediately use your effect to send it back to whatever the effect let's you send it to. If not, congratulations on being unable to do anything if you have no monsters in your graveyard! Like Cyber Dragon Nova, which needs monsters in the graveyard just to use it's effect, and if you have none, no xyz material summoned straight to the field for you, and also no possible early game OTK! But yeah, there's your question.

③- Token Overlay (Or goat overlay) Here's the last one. Everybody knows tokens, right? Like Scapegoat, or Stray Lambs. Now, everybody thinks just once how sweet it would be to synchro summon with tokens, someone even talked about a deck using that concept. But what about xyz summoning? Assuming you can change their levels, as I'm pretty sure tokens are too old to have an extra clause about that, what's stopping you from using them as xyz materials? Well, there is that guy in the chat on xyz materials who says tokens can't be used as xyz materials. So, no? Besides that, where do tokens even go? The graveyard? Are they banished? Because either way, you can still use them for something, so I don't quite think this person knows what they're talking about. Or maybe they do. That's up to you.

Now, for some fan mail. ...there's no fan mail. Except for this: Dear Bashfrog, I personally think the 'normal madolche' deck in the Madolche archetype page isn't very normal. I mean, half the cards in it aren't actually madolche monsters, and it prioritizes synchro summons over summoning the beautiful Tiaramisu! Most of the card choices don't even banish themselves! I would angrily alter the page, but I'm a figment of your imagination! Love, Gorfhsab

Well, Gorfhsab, I have to say that I agree with you. However, I too do not have the time to alter the page. Plus, I would want to test out the deck before I do, and I would want a genuine challenge at that. So, I will ruminate over this while I'm having my daily cup of tea steeped with the blood of the endangered Saharan Bilabo.

Well anyway, it's been a pleasure wasting your time for 20 minutes! See you in some point in time within 100 years! Bashfrog (talk • contribs) 21:02, September 7, 2014 (UTC)Bashfrog