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Silently Admin
I have not noticing you being... inactive for a while... Are you sure you're not sick or something? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  04:00, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm kinda buzy with college and exams the past weeks but I'm still visiting Wikia every day and watching for any kind of vandalism in the Ruling Pages and so, don't worry. ;) ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 06:34, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, that explained your absent... at least you not "dead" for sure. So good luck finish the college! -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:00, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Difference between one Special Summon and one can't Special Summon
Sorry to interrupting your study; but I would like to know if it's possible to Special Summon "Blackwing" (DARK Attribute) through "Swallow's Nest" while the owner controlled "Barrier Statue of Windstorm" (WIND Attribute)?

As of before, if I recalled correctly, monsters that tried to tribute the target monster can't be Special Summon if their effect prevented the Special Summon from occurred. For example; I tried to tributed "Archlord Kristya" and one other monster on the opponent's side of the field with the effect of "Lava Golem". That is accord to be incorrect method to playing out. It would be same reason if I tried to tribute two random monsters while the opponent controlled a face-up "Mask of Restrict".

So is that possible or impossible to Special Summon "Blackwing - Boar the Spear" from the Deck via the effect of "Swallow's Nest" while target "Barrier Statue of Windstorm"? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:53, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * If you do not have any WIND Winged-Beast Type monsters in your Deck you cannot activate "Swallow's Nest". If you have a WIND Winged-Beast Type monster in your Deck then you can activate "Swallow's Nest", tribute "Barrier Statue of the Stormwinds", and then when it resolves, since "Barrier Statue of the Stormwinds" is no longer face-up on the fiels it's effect does not apply, so you can Special Summon a non-WIND Winged-Beast Type monster like a "Blackwing" monster. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 11:44, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I see... seemed like my argument against other user was right after all, "revealing the deck to prove it" is required, yes? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:00, January 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no need to reveal the whole Deck but just the WIND Winged-Beast monster only. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 20:10, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Shock Ruler vs. Karakuri Komachi mdl 224 "Ninishi"
Is that true, can "Number 16: Shock Ruler" negating the entire effect of "Ninishi", included it continuous effect? (The one that Normal Summon other Karakuri from the hand) -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:21, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Never mind that question - I had to read the Ruling Article; Shock Master can't negate the Continuous Effect since it don't do the chain activation. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:34, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Special Summoned face-down = Special Summoned face-up?
Just a ruling question: Is there any source/ruling where it is claimed that a monster Special Summoned in face-down Defense Position (i.e. "The Shallow Grave") is still treated as being Special Summoned after being flipped face-up? This was with regards to "Slifer the Sky Dragon" being Special Summoned, then Flip Summoned, and being destroyed during that End Phase. Someone claimed that the ruling of "Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo" (Monsters that are Special Summoned face-down, or flipped face-down after being Special Summoned, will be destroyed by "Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo's" second effect) was their source. However, I'm not sure, since it doesn't account for the Set Special Summoned monster being Flip Summoned. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 21:08, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Derp, that will become "Special Set". -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:49, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Remove Trap wording
Is it "Target" or is it "Choose" in PSCT adaption? Konami is just being derp sometimes.

P.S. - Why Konami just decided to kept "Special Summon" in "Polymerization" in the Legendary Collection 3 edition? Is it not "Fusion Summon" by now? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:34, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Remove Trap" targets.
 * The whole "Send, from your hand or your side of the field to the Graveyard, the Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on a Fusion Monster Card, then Special Summon that monster from your Extra Deck." is a Fusion Summon. It could say just: "Perform a Fusion Summon"
 * ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 06:50, February 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Interesting, thank you.
 * Still, I would just writing the "Fusion Summon" in the place of "Special Summon" - otherwise, it just revoked up the E-HERO fusion summon in OCG/TCG if we followed that rules restrict. As Elemental HERO Fusion monsters are required to "Fusion Summon" and cannot be Special Summon by other ways. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:03, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Suppressor Dragon vs. Super Rejuvenation
Is that possible to activate the effect of "Super Rejuvenation" if I discarded "Burner" with other Dragon from hand to summon "Blaster", to draw 2 cards or not? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:38, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Who's exactly "Burner" and "Blaster"? Can you be more specific please? ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 07:55, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Burner, Elemental Dragon of Calderas" and "Blaster, Elemental Dragon of Calderas" - I heard that the former one was used themselves as Cost to discarding in order to Special Summon the latter from the Deck and one user said that it's not counted for the effect of "Super Rejuvenation". -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  11:00, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * It is possible to draw cards with "Super Rejuvenation" is you discard Dragon-Type monsters as a cost in order to active a card's effect. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 20:06, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Forbidden Lance vs. Fiendish Chain
UltimateKuriboh and I were in the argument that "Forbidden Lance" making "Fiendish Chain" lost the target. Like when I had a face-up "Evolzar Dolkka" and he had "Fiendish Chain" set on his field in the previous turn, and it's my turn - he activated "Fiendish Chain" to target on my Dolkka, make it unable to activate or attack. So now I have "Forbidden Lance" in my hand at this turn: I activate it and target on "Evolzar Dolkka", would it be forever no longer under the affect of "Fiendish Chain"? Or only it lasted a turn? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  03:54, March 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Fiendish Chain" will continue to target the selected monster even if you activate "Forbidden Lance" on it. It will have no effect on it though which means the monster will be able to attack or activate its effects. If in that turn the monster is destroyed, "Fiendish Chain" is also destroyed. During the End Phase when "Forbidden Lance"'s effect expires, "Fiendish Chain"'s effect is reapplied and the monster is once again unable to attack or activate its effects. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 07:13, March 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Interesting... Seemed like UltimateKuriboh was right about this one - gotta add this on my Ruling Article. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:34, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

"Calming Magic"
Sorry, I just gave the Japanese lore of "Calming Magic" a quick Google Translate and it doesn't mention "Set" (as it translates accurately for other Japanese card lores that mention "Set"). In this case, "Reverse" translates to "Flip", as the Japanese call Flip Summons "Reverse Summons." --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 13:58, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

UltimateKuriboh's right for this one - "Calming Magic" never mention "Set", just "Summon". -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:11, March 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Calming Magic"'s OCG text mentions "Normal Summon" 「通常召喚」 which is the same as the TCG term "Normal Summon or Set".
 * If an OCG text mentions only "Summon" 「召喚」, then it is translated as "Normal Summon" in the TCG (without Set). As in "Card of Sacrifice"'s OCG text.
 * ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 16:39, March 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I see you both forgot about Forum:Scapegoat errata/rulings?.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 20:35, March 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll just move on from this and accept it as is. The difference here was how I translated the Japanese lore of "Calming Magic". The issue I had with "Scapegoat" was the English errata changes. So yeah, I hope no one else gets confused by this in the future. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 20:52, March 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm referring to the "translation problems" link on that page, as well as my last post there.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:00, March 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * The TCG term "Tribute Summon" is the same as the OCG term "Advance/Sacrifice Summon" 「のアドバンス召喚」 and refers to both "Tribute Summon" and "Tribute Set". The old TCG text of "Scapegoat" was mentioning seperately "(or Set)" but it was just a reminder. Only the "Tribute Summon" was enough (and it is fixed in the PSCT errata). You can see the same in "Ojama Trio"'s text which it prevents both "Tribute Summons" and "Tribute Sets" of the Tokens, in both _CGs, and it don't have the reminder. There was some confusion with players when "Zombie World" was released, because it didn't had the "(or Set)" in its text, and people didn't knew if it prevented Tribute Sets or not. Normally it should prevents Tribute Sets as well, like in the OCG. Again, it doesn't need the "(or Set)" reminder.


 * The translation issues are in the "Normal Summon" and "Normal Set" terms which, as I mentioned above, are different worded in each _CG. Becides that I don't see any problem with this situation. Since "Calming Magic"'s OCG text mentions "Normal Summon" and not just "Summon" it should prevent "Normal Sets" as well (in the OCG). The "(but you can Set)" in "Scapegoat"'s PSCT errata is also a reminder imo, and it is just placed there to help players understand how the card works. There were problems with players not understanding how "Scapegoat" works in the past as well. The previous lore was correct too "you cannot Summon other monsters this turn".


 * ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 00:12, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Off-topic, the word "refer" is always have 1 F's, not two F's. So be sure to practice get it down. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:38, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, typo! I don't have an auto-correction in my browser and I can't see the mistakes. Fixed! ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 06:09, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * No worry, at least you got a buddy to watch your back. You're not completely perfectionist right there. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:40, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Geargiarmor "Once per turn:" effect
Hey, does this card's effect approve twice in a same turn if I played "Book of Taiyou" or something that flipping him to face-up (by set it to face-down)? Goldy seemed disagreed to that theory. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:40, March 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * The first effect of "Geargiarmor" can only be activated once in the same turn. Flipping the monster face-down again does not reset the "once per turn" restriction of the Flip-Flop monsters. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 07:00, March 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought - it has same ruling as "Stealth Bird" and Goldy tried it on WC11 game, only to discovered that I was right. Thank you. And also, for "Flip-ing", it has 2 P's when adding -ing to the end, and I fixed it for you. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:14, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Effect Veiler vs. Continuous Effect Monster on the field
Is that true "Effect Veiler" can target the Effect Monster with a Continuous Effect, such as "Star Drawing"? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:01, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course it can, since it is an Effect Monster. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 08:09, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Unsure...
I'm note sure if this was appropriately moved... --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 03:06, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Different rulings?
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:ATEMVEGETA?action=edit&oldid=2402067# Is this acceptable rulings to posting in? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:45, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I posted that only after I realized a similar thing was deleted just one revision ago. Regardless of whether or not these would not be considered a ruling in your book or just "a clarification of a mechanic", these definitely would make finding answers much easier and put debates among players to an end. This is as much of a clarification of a mechanic as is the line stating "If the maximum legally allowed number of copies of the declared card cannot be verified as public knowledge, you may ask your opponent to verify their hand", an addition you yourself made. Why not keep the edit when it would do more good than harm? Dpsklsd (talk • contribs) 22:51, April 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, that Ruling can stay for 2 reasons. First, even if it is not actual a Ruling it makes another older Ruling invalid, and second, as Dpsklsd said it will help the players understand how the card works. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 09:31, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I was just to be sure so I don't have to be paranoid on Dpsklsd or anything. Thank you for responding. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  11:41, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Since the PSCT of "Scrap-Iron Scarecrow" contradicts the OCG ruling (of whether or not it is Set face-down again if "Scarecrow" doesn't negate an attack), should there be a notice placed on the page noting this? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 17:14, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, a contradict is necessary. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 07:58, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

"Splendid Rose"
What kind of effect is the 2nd effect of "Splendid Rose" (ignoring what the wiki has on there now)? Also, if "Splendid Rose" uses her 2nd effect, does she have to attack once again immediately? If you're iffy on this, would you mind e-mailing the judge ruling program? Thanks. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 19:11, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Base on my experience - If this card attacks, during the same Battle Phase you can remove from play 1 Plant-Type monster in your Graveyard to halve the ATK of this card (until the End Phase) and attack once again.
 * PSCT Version: If this card has attack successful during the same Battle Phase: You can banish 1 Plant-Type monster in your Graveyard; halve this card's ATK until the End Phase to attempt the second attack.
 * That's what I can figuring out base on Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning's effect text. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:14, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * The second effect is a Quick Effect. If "Splendid Rose" has attacked this turn, you can activate the second effect during the same Battle Phase. When the effect resolves "Splendid Rose"'s ATK is halved. During the same turn, any time you want you can declare a second attack with "Splendid Rose". It doesn't have to be the next attack after you activate the effect. You can activate the effect, attack with another monster and then with "Splendid Rose". I will ask the question to the Judge Forum for an official answer. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 21:49, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Any response yet? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 22:22, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nothing yet. But don't expect an answer soon. They raraly rarely answer to questions, and sometimes they never do. I made a lot of questions there that still are unanswered! ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 06:57, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * *whisper* -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:08, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

New Conflict
[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings_talk:Starlight_Road#Official_ruling? Thought I would let you know], at least you had it in your watch list. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:07, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Dark Ruler Ha Des
Is it necessary to link "Dark Ruler Ha Des" on its ruling page? I was taught not to link card names when the navbox for that card was available at the top of the page, something that occurs in Card Trivia and Card Tips pages quite often. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 05:29, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

OCG Rulings for Necrovalley
I found rulings from the Japanese card database that aren't on the rulings page for Necrovalley. Using google translate, I was able to translate the majority of them.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=12552&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-10-11 「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている時に、「暗黒界の龍神 グラファ」が自身の効果によって墓地から特殊召喚される時に、「神の警告」によってその特殊召喚を無効にできますか？ When Solemn Warning responds to Grapha's special summon from the graveyard while Necrovalley is active, will Solemn Warning be negated? 「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている場合でも、「神の警告」によって「暗黒界の龍神 グラファ」の自身の効果による特殊召喚を無効にする事ができます. Even if Necrovalley is active, Grapha's special summon may still be negated by Solemn Warning.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=12359&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 相手がフィールド魔法カードの「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」を発動している時に、自分がフィールド魔法カードの「マドルチェ・シャトー」を発動した場合、「マドルチェ・シャトー」の『墓地に「マドルチェ」と名のついたモンスターが存在する場合、そのモンスターを全てデッキに戻す』効果は、「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果によって無効化されますか？ If the opponent has Necrovalley active and I activate Madolche Chateau while Madolche monsters exist in my graveyard, will Necrovalley negate the effect to return those monsters to the deck? 相手が「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」を発動している時に、自分が「マドルチェ・シャトー」を発動した場合、「マドルチェ・シャトー」の効果処理を行う時点では、「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果は既に適用されていない状態となるため、「マドルチェ・シャトー」の効果は無効化されず、墓地に存在する「マドルチェ」と名のついたモンスターはデッキに戻します. By the time Madolche Chateau resolves, the effects of the opponent's Necrovalley is no longer considered to be in effect. Therefore, the effect of Madolche Chateau to return Madolche monsters back to the deck are not negated.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=11857&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている時に、「レッドアイズ・ダークネスメタルドラゴン」の『手札または自分の墓地から「レッドアイズ・ダークネスメタルドラゴン」以外のドラゴン族モンスター１体を自分フィールド上に特殊召喚する』効果を発動する事はできますか？ また、「レッドアイズ・ダークネスメタルドラゴン」の効果を発動する事ができる場合において、墓地に存在するドラゴン族モンスターを選択した場合、「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果によって無効化されますか？ While Necrovalley is active, is it possible to activate the 'Once per turn: You can Special Summon 1 Dragon-Type monster from your hand or Graveyard, except "Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon".' effect of Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon? If so, would Necrovalley negate the effect if a Dragon monster in the graveyard were chosen? 「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている場合でも、「レッドアイズ・ダークネスメタルドラゴン」の効果を発動する事はできます. また、「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている時に、「レッドアイズ・ダークネスメタルドラゴン」の効果によってドラゴン族モンスターを特殊召喚する場合は、手札からドラゴン族モンスターを特殊召喚しなければなりません. なお、「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている時に「レッドアイズ・ダークネスメタルドラゴン」の効果を発動し、特殊召喚が可能なドラゴン族モンスターが墓地にしか存在しない状況だった場合は、「レッドアイズ・ダークネスメタルドラゴン」の効果は無効化されます. Even if Necrovalley is active, you will still be able to activate the effect of Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon. Also, while Necrovalley is active, if you wish to special summon a Dragon monster by the effect of Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon, you must Special Summon from your hand. Furthermore, if the only monster that can be Special Summoned is in the graveyard by the time the effect of Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon resolves, the effect will be negated.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=12362&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 フィールド上に「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」と「暗闇を吸い込むマジック・ミラー」が存在する時に、フィールド上から墓地へ送られた「クリッター」の効果が発動した場合、「暗闇を吸い込むマジック・ミラー」の効果が適用されるため、墓地で発動した「クリッター」の効果は無効化されます. また、フィールド上に存在する「黒竜の雛」自身を墓地へ送って効果を発動した場合にも、「暗闇を吸い込むマジック・ミラー」の効果が適用されるため、フィールド上にて発動した「黒竜の雛」の効果は無効化されます. If both Necrovalley and Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror are active, the effects of both Sangan and Red-Eyes Black Chick will be negated at resolution.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=12310&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 「王家の生け贄」の効果処理を行う時点で、フィールド魔法カードゾーンに「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」が存在しなくなった場合であっても、「王家の生け贄」の効果は適用されます. Royal Tribute will still resolve properly if Necrovalley is not on the field at the time of resolution.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=11925&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」が発動している時に、「甲虫装機 ダンセル」の『自分の手札・墓地から「甲虫装機」と名のついたモンスター１体を装備カード扱いとしてこのカードに装備できる』効果を発動する事はできます. その際に、手札と墓地に「甲虫装機」と名のつくモンスターが存在する場合、手札から装備しなければいけません. また、墓地にしか「甲虫装機」と名のつくモンスターが存在しない場合、その効果は無効となります. なお、効果処理時に墓地にしか「甲虫装機」と名のつくモンスターが存在しない場合、手札の確認を相手に求められた場合には応じる必要があります. You are able to active the 'Once per turn: You can equip 1 "Inzektor" monster from your hand or Graveyard to this card.' effect of Inzektor Dragonfly while Necrovalley is active. In doing so, if there exists Inzektor monsters in both your hand and graveyard, you must equip from your hand. If there only exists Inzektor monsters in the graveyard, the effect is negated. Additionally, if at the time of resolution only your graveyard contains Inzektor monsters, your opponent may check your hand to confirm that there are no Inzektor monsters to equip.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=12283&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている場合でも、「マドルチェ・ミィルフィーヤ」等の『このカードが相手によって破壊され墓地へ送られた時、このカードをデッキに戻す』効果は無効化されず、「マドルチェ・ミィルフィーヤ」等はデッキへ戻ります. The effect of Madolche Mewfeuille to return to the deck when destroyed and sent to the graveyard is not negated while Necrovalley is active.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=12159&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている場合、「聖刻龍－ドラゴンゲイヴ」等の効果によって、墓地に存在する「聖刻」と名のつく通常モンスターを墓地から特殊召喚する事はできません. したがって、「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている場合、「聖刻龍－ドラゴンゲイヴ」等の効果によって「聖刻」と名のつく通常モンスターを特殊召喚する場合は、手札かデッキからとなります.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=9670&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 フィールド上に表側表示で存在する「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」や「霊滅術師 カイクウ」の、墓地のカードを除外できない効果が適用されている場合でも、「氷結界の龍 トリシューラ」の効果を発動する事ができます. しかしながら、「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」等の効果によって、墓地に存在するカードを除外する事ができないため、手札・フィールド上の2ヵ所から、それぞれ1枚まで除外します.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=12340&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている場合でも、「ミラクル・コンタクト」を発動する事はできます. ただし、墓地から『融合モンスターカードによって決められた融合素材モンスター』を持ち主のデッキに戻す事はできないため、手札やフィールド上に存在するモンスターをデッキへ戻して特殊召喚を行います. また、効果処理時に手札やフィールド上に存在するモンスターのみで「ミラクル・コンタクト」の処理を行えない場合には、「ミラクル・コンタクト」の効果は無効化されます. Miracle contact may be activated while Necrovalley is active. However, since it is not possible to return monsters in the graveyard back to the deck, fusion material monsters must be from the field or hand. In the case where it is not possible to resolve Miracle Contact with only materials present on the field or hand, the effect of Miracle Contact is negated.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=12444&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 「エンド・オブ・アヌビス」の『墓地のカードを対象にする、または墓地で効果が発動する魔法・罠・モンスターの効果は全て無効になる』効果は、墓地のカードに効果が及ぶ扱いではないため、「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果では無効化されません. The effect of The End of Anubis does not affect the effects of Necrovalley.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=11361&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている時に「地獄の暴走召喚」を発動した際に、墓地に同名モンスターが存在する場合は、『墓地に効果が及ぶ』効果が無効になるため、「地獄の暴走召喚」の効果そのものが無効化されます. また、墓地に同名モンスターが存在しない場合は、「地獄の暴走召喚」の効果によってお互いにモンスターを特殊召喚する事ができます. If Inferno Reckless Summon is activated while Necrovalley is active and any of the monsters to be summoned would be from the graveyard, the entire effect of Inferno Reckless Summon is negated. If no monsters would be special summoned from the graveyard, then the effect of Inferno Reckles Summon resolves normally.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=11287&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 「ドリル・ウォリアー」の自身を特殊召喚して墓地に存在するカードを手札に加える効果はスタンバイフェイズ時に発動しますが、「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果によって無効化されます. したがって、「ドリル・ウォリアー」はゲームから除外されたままとなり、墓地のカードを手札に加える事もできません. During the standby phase, if the effect of Drill Warrior is activated while Necrovalley is active, the effect of Drill Warrior will be negated. Thus, Drill Warrior will remain banished and no card will be added from the graveyard to your hand.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=10812&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2012-07-20 フィールド上に表側表示で存在する「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の効果が適用されている場合であっても、「The supremacy SUN」の自身を墓地から特殊召喚する効果は無効化されません. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:ATEMVEGETA?action=edit# また、フィールド上に表側表示で存在する「エンド・オブ・アヌビス」の効果が適用されている場合は、自身を特殊召喚する効果は無効化されます. The effect of The Sumpremacy Sun to special summon itself from the graveyard is not negated by Necrovalley. The effect of The Sumpremacy Sun to special summon itself from the graveyard is negated if The End of Anubis is face-up on the field.

http://www.db.yugioh-card.com/yugiohdb/faq_search.action?ope=5&fid=12764&keyword=&tag=-1 | 2013-05-02 「王家の眠る谷－ネクロバレー」の適用中には墓地のカードをゲームから除外する事ができない為、「透破抜き」を発動する事はできません. You cannot activate Debunk when a monster effect in the graveyard is activated while Necrovalley is active.

Could they be added to the rulings page? Dpsklsd (talk • contribs) 05:36, May 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Since you've stopped updating the page, shall I fill the rest of the rulings? Dpsklsd (talk • contribs) 23:38, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

"Droll & Lock Bird"
According to the jp wiki, it's classified as a Quick Effect (and it was recently classified here as a Quick Effect due to some user citing the jp wiki). Would you mind asking the Judge Forum Program about this and get a ruling from them? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 00:28, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Somehow I missed that, sorry*
 * "Droll & Lock Bird" is a wierd Quick Effect. It could be a Trigger Effect though. I asked the question in Judge Forum for a TCG source. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 08:23, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

"Card Rulings" pages questions
Is there a specific reason Card Rulings:Staunch Defender belongs on that page? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 21:54, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's BKSS. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:01, June 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, I'm asking because that "ruling" doesn't mention "Staunch Defender" even though it is in a section called "Mentions in Other Rulings". Also, it is an OCG ruling. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 22:07, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Source link to "Konami" though. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:08, June 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * It wasn't mentioned in the OCG card database rulings either. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 22:17, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Then what was "Konami" doing there in the "link" box? I meant by this; ↑ Konami FAQ: When battling by the effect of "Equip Shot", can "Sakuretsu Armor" be activated? If it's linking to Konami and it's not made by Konami, then why it mentioned "Konami"? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:06, June 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Please stop Fred. This is all unnecessary. The fact of the matter is, all rulings under a section called "Mentions in Other Rulings" mentions the card's name in rulings for other cards. That 1 ruling in the section for Card Rulings:Staunch Defender did not mention "Staunch Defender". And no, BKSS has nothing to do with it; that only applies for cards whose rulings defy their texts or similar rulings for cards with similar effects. Just wait for ATEMVEGETA to answer please. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 23:13, June 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Weird! That Ruling is irrelevant with "Staunch Defender". I have no idea why Deus Ex Machina added it there. Deleted! ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 08:20, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Here he answered and here that went! Are you happy now, UltimateKuriboh? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  11:36, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hi

I edited the card rulings page of des wombat, i know i don't have a quote but it's a fact that cost cards like ultimate offering won't be reduced to 0. So can't you accept that or do you really need a quote from Konami?

Regards

Wolf-Shadic Wolf-Shadic (talk • contribs) 18:14, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Condition Effects
There was an edit war on the "Alien Hypno" and "Road Synchron" pages over whether or not they have Condition Effects. Since "Road Synchron" was originally added to the Condition Effect page based on something you and Deus Ex Machina said, can you shine any light on this? -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:30, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Also are Galaxy Zero and Lead Yoke's instead efefcts conditions? It mentions on the page that all Substitute effects are conditions. ReadjustPurge (talk • contribs) 21:34, July 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * @Deltaneos, if Road Synchron was Condition, then he would have nulling the effect jammer that "Synchron Explorer" had put on him, like "Quickdraw Synchron"... I am still thinking that they are Continuous Effect in that way. But until then, I will only listening to ATEM and you, not Read-just-Purge. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:36, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

There are some conditions that can be negated. That's why Explorer negates it. ReadjustPurge (talk • contribs) 21:39, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * "Solemn Judgment" and "Solemn Warning" can negating the Condition Summon (Inherent Special Summon). And that's only known part of Condition that can be negating in my book. Quickdraw Synchron can't be negated, Exodia can't be negated, even The Creator God of Light, Horakhty can't be stopped by a f-ing trap cards, on her summoning and when her effect triggered to win the game. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:42, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

That doesn't matter. Special Summoning conditions can be negated. Read the Condition page to see which ones can and which ones can't. @ATEM - Also, can you tell if what kind of effects the second summon of Geminis and the if this card has X as an Xyz Material effects of CXyz are? ReadjustPurge (talk • contribs) 22:04, July 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * This question is bugging almost every player and judge. I'm referring to every card that has a Continuous-like effect, that CAN be negated by "Skill Drain" & pals, but can't be considered a "Continuous Effect" for several reasons; all the "Conditions that can be negated" we are mentioning here.
 * There is not a standard answer to what type of 'effect' are those cards because Konami didn't released any official names for them. Some people call them Continuous Effects (because they can be negated by Skill Drain, etc) and some others call them Conditions (because the most of them can apply not only on the field but elsewhere as well).


 * According to the official rulebook, for Continuous Effects: "This effect is active while the Effect Monster Card is face-up on the field. The effect starts when the face-up monster appears on the field, and ends once the monster is gone or is no longer face-up; there is no trigger for its activation."
 * According to the above statement those effects CAN'T be considered Continuous Effects. (You can use "Ritual Raven"'s effect also in your hand, You can use "Kaiser Sea Horse"'s effect also while it's face-down, ect)
 * But a lot of players still call them Continuous Effects because they ARE effects and can be negated by Skill Drain, etc, and they consider the fact that they can apply not only on the field and while face-up just exception to the rule. They may be correct though!! Note that in the past Konami has ruled such effects as Continuous Effects. OCG though mentions them as "This effect has no classification" and NOT Continuous Effects.


 * Here in Wikia we mention them as "Conditions" along with the "True Conditions"/"This is not an effect" conditions, in Condition Effect page and not as Continuous Effects. We should keep it that way until we get an official statement saying either they are Continuous Effects (in which case we delete them from that page) or they are a different type of effect (in which case.... we'll see)!
 * I will ask that question in the Judge Forum in case we will finally get an official answer for that. I doubt they will respond to such question though but I'll try anyway!


 * Now, about "Alien Hypno", "Road Synchron", etc, the OCG Wiki mentions them as Rule Effects (Condition Effects). The way we have them here in Wikia is exactly the same as the OCG Wiki so I'll say we should have them as Condition Effects as well (for now).
 * ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 18:31, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

And what about the effects which use "instead"? Are they all unclassified effects, even if they only apply on the field like Lead Yoke? Also, all Geminis should probably be changed so their first effect is listed as a Condition. ReadjustPurge (talk • contribs) 13:39, July 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Lead Yoke" is a Continuous Effect. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 05:50, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

"-like" in Japanese
Is there a Japanese term for "-like Effects"? If so, could you fill in the "ignition-like", "quick-like" and "trigger-like" parameters at Template:Card strings/ja? -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:32, July 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid there aren't any Japanese terms for "-like Effects". The TCG terms "quick-like", "trigger-like", etc are not official either but they are used much from judges and players (like a lot of other unofficial terms in YGO). I will try to find if there are any unofficial terms used by judges/players for the OCG as well. ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 11:53, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Quotation Marks
It was for consistency reasons; they were looking out of place when, on the vast majority of ruling pages, including Konami's, they use "". The ones posted were originally from Shriek's site, and Shriek used his own proprietary formatting. Ideally, these rulings should have a "citation needed" template, that's actually skipped my mind until now.

tl;dr: The formatting is inconsequential, because the site used to originally cite those rulings should never have been used as a source in the first place.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 21:04, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back
Great to have you back in full-swing! ^^ (Unless it's temporary ._. ) --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 19:04, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Haha thank you! I'm a little inactive from editing but I'm around here watching the Ruling Pages almost every day! ;) ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 19:11, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

"Rules" regarding Ruling Pages
Is it okay to take an issued ruling out of context for simplicity's sake? In this case, the ruling was from an e-mail, as you can see at Card Rulings:Frozen Soul and Card Rulings:Reckless Greed. If not, feel free to correct them. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 15:56, August 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * I changed it. ;) ATEMVEGETA  (Talk) 16:13, August 21, 2013 (UTC)