Forum:Reasons why cards are Forbidden/Limited


 * From the creator of the "List of cards to side in to cripple meta decks", comes the...


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 * This list is for the people who are curious about why certain cards are banned/limited.
 * This list can also assist people before posting a prediction on the next banlist.
 * Please help out by pointing out changes that should be made in the list (if any) (please include reasons).
 * Keep in mind that the TCG banlist is exactly the same as the OCG banlist (minus the OCG exclusives). So, reasons should be based on the OCG rulings. (adding a note to those would be appreciated, something like the one on Victory Dragon.)
 * And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
 * See also: Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart. 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Edit Log

 * Created page. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Added "Edit Log" and "Discussion" sections. ^_^-- HHTurtle  Talk  11:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Small note on Cyber Jar, more reasons for Stratos, Lumina, Mind Master, etc. Links to a few terms. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Stickied as requested. It'd work after the feature's been implemented. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Updated for September 2010. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:34, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Table format/colour change. Well, I personally find it much easier to navigate through the list. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:24, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Adding reasons for cards that were unlimited from past formats (before March 10). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:59, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Before March 2010

 * Thought I'd add a few reasons to the cards that were unlimited before March 2010.


 * Abyss Soldier
 * Exiled Force
 * Jinzo
 * Lightning Vortex
 * Morphing Jar
 * Protector of the Sanctuary
 * Vampire Lord
 * Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
 * This is a list of the cards which I wasn't sure about, so if anyone has any ideas on these (or any that I missed), feel free to post in this section. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:59, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

That's the best I can come up with to explain the above cards. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 11:55, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Abyss Soldier was Semi'd from April '05 to Sept '05 due to its abuse with Sinister Serpent, allowing infinite bouncing once each turn. After Sinister Serpent got Forbidden, Abyss Soldier possibly dwindled in use, and came back to Unlimited.
 * 2) Exiled Force was a very useful tool in the Warrior Toolbox. As the popularity of the Toolbox dwindled it eventually came off the list.
 * 3) Jinzo was popular early in the game's history since the game was slow enough to allow for monsters to be Tribute Summoned. Then the metagame picked up speed, where Special Summons became more favourable, and Jinzo dwindled in popularity due to both Royal Decree and presence of better monsters to Special Summon. Jinzo went back to unlimited possibly due to the Jinzo support popping up in Light of Destruction, and possibly stayed unlimited since its change in status didn't affect its use.
 * 4) Lightning Vortex was Limited due to abuse with Sinister Serpent for cheap frying of the opponent's face-up monsters. It still saw some abuse since there were 2 Night Assailants still on the list. It finally came off the Limited status after Night Assailant hit 1 on the next list.
 * 5) Morphing Jar 2 was a very potent field-disrupter, freezing the battle phase and eating up Nomis and Tribute monsters the moment it was flipped. This is probably why it was Semi, until '05 when destroying monsters with effects became more popular than battle, giving a very good way to circumvent its Flip Effect. It probably disappeared off the meta then, and so went back to unlimited.
 * 6) Protector of the Sanctuary was formerly abused with things like Time Seal and Yata-Garasu as an additional layer of insurance for such a lock since the opponent could only break the lock by drawing with a card effect. Time Seal and Yata soon got banned, leaving no reason to limit Protector of the Sanctuary.
 * 7) Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys and its Decks were popular back in '06. Back then, destruction with effects were all the rage, and Sacred Phoenix was nigh-unkillable with destruction effects, providing a Heavy Storm effect each time they tried to kill it that way. Eventually, the metagame picked up its pacing with RFG and more chainable cards coming into fashion, and Nephthys dwindled in popularity. Should now explain why it's unlimited now. This should also explain Vampire Lord and Zombie Decks in that day.


 * Nice. Adding. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:20, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

March 2010
To start things off... Why is Metamorphosis banned when Thousand-Eyes Restrict is also banned? Isn't that the main reason? Did Konami ban Victory Dragon because they can? because there's something called surrendering. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Metamorphosis can still summon some very strong Fusion Monsters easily. For Victory Dragon, you have to understand that although you can surrender anytime during the duel in the TCG, you can only surrender starting from the 10th turn in the OCG so it still makes Victory Dragon very BROKEN.-- HHTurtle  Talk  06:09, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * So since Metamorphosis is now banned, do you think they'll eventually take Thousand-Eyes Restrict off the banlist?--76.27.8.201 (talk) 07:25, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt that it will come off the list. When used properly, it's better than Gravity Bind and Level Limit - Area B. I've added the combo above. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:43, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Metal Reflect Slime + Cyber End Dragon.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 15:41, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Adding + slight expansion on the topic. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm right there with you on the Ojama Trio, RoTA, and Judgement Dragon bits for sure. Everything else I'm pretty neutral about though. Goblinpunch787


 * Good to hear that you don't specifically disagree to anything. This list is supposed to be something that almost everyone can generally agree on. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed that each card has a reason next to it. nice! Thanks for those who contributed. Now to do the "Chances" column. I would prefer it if no one changes this column (to prevent edit wars). Instead, please post below and discuss them. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ojama Trio is "not less limited" for good reason. The only way to turn Ojama Trio on it's head for general decks is to tune them, but when you don't have a tuner, it clogs your field to prevent swarming of any more than 2 monsters, and stops all kinds of other stuff. It's another OTK stopper, It makes Ojama Decks practically unstoppable, and there are also many ways to abuse it to create OTKs. I totally agree with pretty much everything else, entirely. Great list. NecrofearNorleras (talk • contribs) 14:55, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with the guy above me. I'm not sure if you guys know of this but there was an annoying deck in the OCG when Ojama Trio was released. You activate Ground Collapse during your turn and then activate Ojama Trio during your opponent's turn, preferably during the Draw Phase or Standby Phase. This will cause your opponent to have no real use of their monster zones. It was really annoying and broken.-- HHTurtle  Talk  16:22, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you have a Tuner, can't you switch the token to ATK mode, suicide (with 0 ATK >.<), then summon a Tuner and Synchro for a level 5-8 monster? But still, I'll consider changing that a bit. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:50, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

There's something that shouldn't be there. Changing Decree, Oppression and Drain: = → - until it's further discussed. Their strengths are too different. Oppression might be Limited, while the other 2 may stay imo. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Honestly, Victory Dragon ain't broken anymore, due to many removable - Fissure, Smashing Ground, Lightning Vortex, Mirror Force, Bottomless Trap Hole, etc. So why is it stay on banlist, eh? Oh yes, no one playing Match duel when come to him. --FredCat100 (talk • contribs) 19:01, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem with victory dragon is since they ALWAYS could possibly win the match, even if you won 2 of three, you must play the third game, since they could win the match still--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 15:45, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

 * Updating and...
 * Correct
 * Brain Control - It was on chance on going up, which was right.
 * Rescue Cat - up, which was right.
 * Monster Reborn - low chance of coming down, right.
 * Dark Hole - low chance of coming down, right.
 * Royal Oppression - I knew this was going up, which is why I split the cont. trap trio
 * Mystical Space Typhoon - chance of coming down, right.
 * Chaos Sorcerer - chance of coming down, right.
 * Ojama Trio - chance of coming down, right.
 * Goblin Zombie - was on my prediction list for March, a bit late, but I was right.
 * Treeborn Frog - Well, I did say read the card.
 * United We Stand - I kinda knew this, with the list of so many ways to stop it.


 * Incorrect
 * Magic Cylinder
 * Black Rose Dragon
 * Cyber Dragon
 * Heavy Storm


 * Not Predicted
 * Black Whirlwind
 * Snipe Hunter
 * Royal Decree


 * New
 * Substitoad
 * Infernity Launcher
 * Trishula


 * Seems like this list is pretty accurate xD -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:34, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

You should update harpie's feather duster and Change of heart in your list since they say that heavy storm and Brain control are still limited. Jens (talk • contribs) 18:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:36, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Corrected position of Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 14:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it was right before. Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain are still Semi. Only Decree went to Unlimited. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:20, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * (struck my elbow on Falzar's chest) don't forget that Royal Oppression is limited, so to not confused it with Decree.. -- F  red  C  at  T.P. • F.R. • J.R. • W.S. 23:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. My bad, then. I've read the wrong parts of the card articles. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs)

187.139.220.27 (talk) 21:16, August 30, 2010 (UTC)solemn judment should be un limited or semi limited in my opinion because it cost a lot of life points and it can give a lot of play for many forgotten and unplayable decks (itsus,union not vwxyz,billy decks, princess pikeru etc...)

Very nice page, although someone forgot to change the bg colour for CCV and Exchange of the Spirit. Fixed now. --Hozu (talk • contribs) 21:48, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Dark Magician of Chaos part says "Monster Reborn is also forbidden". Remember that it is now limited 186.4.40.87 (talk) 05:22, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'll fix that right now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:29, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Also as Rescue Cat is now forbidden you should change the description of Summoner Monk   --ME!!!!!!!!!! (talk • contribs) 12:02, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:13, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think that Magician of Faith and Imperial Iron Wall Imperial Order should be changed to never. Magician of Faith creates an infinite loop with Book of Moon and Final Attack Orders and Royal Magical Library. Imperial Order creates an infinite loop with Axe of Foolishness and Jinzo. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 01:20, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since when was IIW on the Ban List???...BassNettoHikari2...Chat Page... 06:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hey FZ, you need to fix:
 * Brionac's color to white;
 * Cyber Dragon and Treeborn Frog can't go up, they're Unlimited;
 * Monster Reborn/Dark Hole/Dandylion's chances to = or "Low chance of ↓".

--Missign0 (talk • contribs) 06:39, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at the order the list goes in. No One Special (talk • contribs) 01:26, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed Brionac. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:10, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Breaker?
Where are the reasons for Breaker the Magical Warrior being banned and limited for a while? Just saying...

--Kageakumo 01:35, December 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not all cards that were limited/banned before March 2010 were added, I'm slowly adding them in though. Breaker's added now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:59, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

We're approaching March 2011. Maybe it's about time some more predictions were added? --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 10:09, January 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Imo, banlist predictions can go in their own threads in Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Lists Discussion, just like how it was always done.
 * I'm fine with the current 'Chance of going up/down the list' values. If anyone has a different opinion on then, then go ahead and point them out. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:00, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Who is up for unbanning some yugioh cards
yugioh company WHY DO YOU CREATE CARDS WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO BANN THEM

This is a good and rare card and any reason you say to bann this card is simply STUPID
 * Dark Strike Fighter

Do you know how many children want this card and how mutch it costs
 * Gorz the Emissary of Darkness

UNBANN ALL CARDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 * Or, you know, play tradition instead of advanced?

Two responses:
 * Banning cards is just Yugioh's way of recognising that they've made a horrible, easily-overlooked mistake, and this is the least they can do to prevent the breaking of games. Clearly you haven't been around in the game before Dark Dive got banned, or at least not been on the receving end of one.
 * Limiting Gorz actually keeps its price lower than if it were unlimited, since doing so would control the demand for Gorz. Do recall what happens to a card's price each time it shifts down the list - loosening restrictions on the card would mean that more people would want it since they can put more in their Decks, propelling the price to greater heights. No doubt, Gorz is a little expensive, but its current state allows it to be at its cheapest without outright banning it.

If you're still pissed, go do as the above IP Address has said and stick to Traditional. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 03:29, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Gorz is cheap... I can get it for less than $1.... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Really? The usual price here in SG is about 10 SGD. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 12:08, January 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Bulk buy ftw (share with friends, and along with a bunch of other cards), but for singles, it should still be less than AUD$2 (SGD$2.5)
 * DLG1 Gorz. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:24, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * What is Dark Dive? I can't find it.-[User:BobaFett2|BobaFett2]] Talk£3.99


 * Dark Dive Bomber = Dark Strike Fighter's Translation from Original Japanese name. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:01, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

I've noticed that Book of Taiyou was on the Limited List for a short moment (Sep '05-Apr '06), though I can't quite figure out a reason why. Any ideas? --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 09:28, February 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably a form of Empty Jar which spammed Cyber Jar abused it. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:12, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

March 2011

 * Assuming Shriek had it right:


 * Correct
 * Cold Wave
 * Honest - But LSs and Heros are not topping... and Revelation is going to come out...
 * Dandylion
 * Card Trooper - Predicted to be exactly 2, reason was given in the list.
 * Spirit Reaper - Chance of coming down was right, but Book is going up? We now have less Targetting effects now...
 * Snipe Hunter - I said it was Outdated...
 * Demise, King of Armageddon - Same as snipe
 * Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier - List said =, unless Mass Driver gets hit. And Mass Driver got hit.
 * Gold Sarcophagus - Too slow


 * Not Predicted
 * Goyo Guardian - ...
 * Book of Moon - ...
 * Megamorph - Konami thinks Equip Spells are not threats any more. Mage Power down, United We Stand down, now this.
 * Skill Drain - There aren't any winning decks that use this...
 * Ultimate Offering - Same as Skill Drain


 * Incorrect
 * Overload Fusion - List had it as saying at 1, but I suppose it could come down, as Cydra decks aren't winning, and well, if you use 1, you have no machines to use the 2nd one, so you need to send more machines first, but you only have 1 Future Fusion.
 * Chaos Sorcerer - List had it as saying at 2


 * New
 * Mass Driver - I knew it will only ever be at 0 or 3.
 * Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow - BWs had it coming.
 * Gateway of the Six - SSs had it coming.
 * Archlord Kristya - I had it marked as 'probably won't happen, but it's possible...' on my predictions list.
 * Debris Dragon - I had it as 'Might Happen' due to Dandylion, Snowman Eater and Darksoul
 * Royal Tribute - I personally did NOT expect this to be hit (even at 2), GKs do not win much any more. The time that it topped was only because of the (quote) "Surprise Buttsecks" factor.
 * Solemn Warning - This getting hit was obvious
 * Icarus Attack - BWs had it coming. They were going to be hit hard this time.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:49, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reasons list adjusted to reflect new banlist. Newly shifted entries are reset to "-". --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 15:59, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I was unaware that Megamorph was unlimited. 76.121.80.38 (talk) 02:05, May 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fixed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:10, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sixth Sense isn't on the forbidden &limited list last I checked. -- Dark Ace SP™ (Talk)  13:26, May 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sixth Sense is an OCG Only card, so it's on the OCG list. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:30, May 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I dunno,GGHK seems okay than a 'bad card'...whats so bad about it? I mean you could mill one copy and easy power up the second copy and the last one is better then graceful charity. Superboltboy (talk • contribs) 02:43, May 8, 2011 (UTC)SBB

Graceful Charity will always be better than the third copy of Good Goblin Housekeeping. Sending it to the graveyard is almost always preferable to returning it to the bottom of your deck.