Forum:Mass Driver

Who else agrees with me that the root cause of popular burn ftk/otks is Mass Driver, not Substitoad? I agree that Substitoad is a powerful card, but it only has a few ftk/otks to its name (by my estimate, 2, and one involving said Mass Driver). Please post your thoughts and comments. I believe that the banlist should be revised to either limit or semi-limit Substitoad, and ban Mass Driver altogether NOT FrogtheJam (talk • contribs) 23:42, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I would have preferred a ban on Ronintoadin. That way, frog decks would still work. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:45, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

...ok but my question was people's opinion on Mass Driver. That is a good point though, that would have removed the ftk potential of frogs at a minimal cost to strategy NOT FrogtheJam (talk • contribs) 23:48, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * well, I'm sure the question was answered in Forum:Mass Driver or Toad. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:52, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

well it sort of was, but i was thinking more of trying to get support for a less unreasonable banlist NOT FrogtheJam (talk • contribs) 23:55, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

If I told you I agreed with you, would it change Konami's banlist? No.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 00:39, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

First of all, I support their decision to ban the Toad. A monster with an effect like that should really say 'once per turn'. However, Mass Driver is a huge problem. By my count, there are nearly a dozen OTKs/FTKs associated with it, maybe more. Unless it is hit, more and more OTKs will just keep popping up. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 00:47, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Mass Driver isn't that threatening yet in my opinion but I'll wait and see. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 00:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, not threatening, but yet Dimension Fusion and DMoC are banned because of it (though the REAL problem there was Spell Economics). Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 00:54, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Spell Economics is fine. There isn't really a lot of spell cards that pays life points. Now someone prove me wrong. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 00:55, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm not saying they should have hit it. I'm just trying to point out that it was the only reason the loop worked. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 00:59, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Now that makes sense. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 01:01, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

It really is a gross loop, isn't it? Tryed it out on WC2008 and it took like 20 minutes to do 8000 damage, lol. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 01:03, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

It isn't that much gross but it's really long just to pull it off. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 01:20, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it does take forever. Like 20 minutes to be exact. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 05:05, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I wish the computer had a concept of quitting, i did the Athena-Darklord loop and it took like a hour >X( --Helix-king (talk • contribs) 05:13, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the computer has only quit against me once: when I completely Yata-locked it. Even right now it won't quit. I removed it's Exodia peices, it has no way of getting them back, I keep play Fiber Jar, I have 7650 LP while it has 800 LP, and none of his monsters have over 1400ATK. The duel has gone on for over 200 turns. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 05:17, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, isn't Diamond Dude the reason Dimension Fusion was hit :/. Megadeth9887 (talk • contribs) 05:19, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe. I assumed it was the DMoC loop since it's more dangerous. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 05:21, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think DMaC and Dude were both involved. Because it isn't exactly easy to gain 2000 Life Points. Not sure... Megadeth9887 (talk • contribs) 05:22, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

It may have been both for both reasons, but I think the loop was the main reason. I always hear about how Konami hates OTKs. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 05:25, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I doubt they hate all OTK's. Otherwise it would have been Mass Driver that got hit and not the toad >.> Megadeth9887 (talk • contribs) 05:27, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Why wouldn't they hate all OTKs? They all do the same thing: make the game too fast and less enjoyable. Konami doesn't go for Mass Driver because the things used with it are good on there own. Mass Driver has only one use: OTKs. but, I still say it should be banned too because more OTKs are sure to come. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 05:33, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

They really hate DSF. He got hit like that.Err, I can't show you what "that" is. Use your imagination. :p Megadeth9887 (talk • contribs) 05:35, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and they hate him because he's a Mass Driver that puts up a fight! Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 05:40, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Easy 4000 damage. That can make or break the game. Seriously, who thought that card was balanced???? Megadeth9887 (talk • contribs) 05:41, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

No idea. That's the one card I never want to see come back. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 05:43, August 27, 2010 (UTC)