User talk:Cheesedude

Welcome to my talk page. Feel free to leave any messages below. However, do not ask me for help with your Deck. I have not actively played the TCG in a very long time, and have not kept up with current rulings. If you leave me a message, I will put your talk page on my watchlist. You may respond on my talk page or your talk page. I will check both.

Manga cards lore
Well, you know the lores of the manga cards tend to use different terms of the TCG/OCG, right? And sometimes even non-Yu-Gi-Oh! terms, like that card of Asuka's whose lore was something like "Two ice pillars appear on the field". So, in the cards' articles, should we keep the official English lore or our TCG-like lore? E.g., in the case of "Underworld Dragon Dragonecro", we should keep "This monster does not destroy enemy monsters in battle. It steals the soul of monsters it battles." or "If this card battles with an opponent's monster, that monster is not destroyed by battle. After damage calculation, that monster's ATK becomes 0. Then, Special Summon 1 "Underworld Token". The ATK of the "Underworld Token" is equal to the original ATK of the monster this card battled. If an "Underworld Token" battles with an opponent's monster, that monster is not destroyed by battle."? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:39, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Use whatever the manga actually says. In that case, it sounds like an "Underworld Token" isn't even a thing that exists. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 09:09, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Even in cases like "Two ice pillars appear on the field"? I wonder if it isn't confusing for who didn't read the manga, and that is not even a Yu-Gi-Oh! card lore. :| Although I don't think we should just ignore the actual non-sense lore of the card, so, dunno. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:13, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Tribute
"Tribute is the act of sending a monster from the field to the Graveyard, either for a Tribute Summon, a cost, or an effect." This is not a good definition \=, if a monster you control "destroyed" by your card, then you can't call that a "Tribute". We can only call it "Tribute" if the card said that, using this term in its text. and I mention that in the article. About "Sending" card to the Graveyard, I open a talk page about it, because I think Tribute is NOT "the act of sending" its something other than that. the sending happen as a result. --Dlamash (talk • contribs) 15:06, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I understand what the issue is. The definition that's there does not imply that a destroyed card counts as a Tribute. It states that a Tribute can happen for a Summon, a cost or an effect. That's it. And that's true, isn't it? As for it not being the act of sending, if you have a better way to word it, by all means change it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:45, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you have "Macro Cosmos" on the field, can you tribute 3 monster to summon "Destiny HERO - Plasma" ? Yes, you can. But you cannot "send" them to the Graveyard, they will banished instead. Thats why you cannot summmon "Arcana Force EX - The Light Ruler" because you cannot pay the cost of summon, the cost will not happen as no card will be sent to Graveyard. If "Tribute" = "Send" then you cannot summon Plasma too. But you can, way? In One sentence, because it's not the act of sending. Sending happens as a result of Tributing, thats way you can still Tribute as a cost to summon or to activate cards or effects even if "Macro Cosmos" is on the field. If you say "Tributing is the act of sending" anyone will think that "Tribute" is "another way of sending card to the Graveyard", and that is WRONG. Tributing is an act, it doesn't mean "Send to the Graveyard", it means "make the monster leave the field". Sending is another act happens Immediately after Tributing, it's something else, NOT the Tribute itself. --Dlamash (talk • contribs) 07:18, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it does send it to the Graveyard. The only instances where its NOT is when a card effect like "Macro Cosmos" changes that. I understand what you're saying, I just don't understand how its an issue at all (and the TCG is not really my department, so if you do say its an issue, I'll believe you). If you want to change it, please try to use better grammar. That's my main issue with your changes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:47, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Shark Drake Vice
Fixed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:12, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Re: NAC
Unfortunately not. The site won't load at all. :/ -- The Goblin  20:57, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Talk page message
I put a note on "Cyber Barrier Dragon's" talk page, but I need to find people that will talk on the talk page. Can you join in with the discussion. On another note, the new errata has now made it clear on the difference between 'this card can only be Special Summoned by/with' and 'this card cannot be Special Summoned except by/withCardsknower (talk • contribs) 01:42, October 22, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * I saw the topic. I didn't respond because I have no comments besides "I don't know". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:18, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Three notes
One note on "Jam Defender". After Yugi used "Lightforce Sword", "Buster Blader" went in for a counterattack, but "Jam Defender" nullified the damage. Despite this, "Slifer" was not destroyed. I would assume this was a ruling in the anime about monsters not being destroyed if Battle Damage was negated(just for Battle City). According to two episodes I just went through, it seems that a effect sometimes counts as an effect, but it appears to apply to effects that destroys monsters or effects that decrease ATK(this was in Yugi's Duel with Strings and his Duel with Yami Marik). Also after "Card of Safe Return" resolved, Strings illegally attacked twice in one turn. Under normal conditions, this can't be done unless through a card effect(unless "Slifer" has an effect that can attack more than once, this is an error). Reply when possible.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 01:32, October 24, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Another note I have on is the number of known Numbers Quattro had. He is supposed to have at least 10 collected Numbers which should include his "Number 88" card(the Number 32 card was given to Trey who gave it to Shark upon defeat). Vetrix took all those Numbers away after Quattro lost to Shark. However the Number card page states there are six unknown Number Cards Quattro obtained, suggesting that Number 32, Number 15, and Number 40 also count as Numbers that Quattro took from other Number holders.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 22:16, October 24, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * There is no evidence to suggest the "Gimmick Puppet" "Numbers" were originally his. He could have gotten them from someone else and decided to switch to a "Gimmick Puppet" Deck so he could get some use out of them. Fact is, we don't know if they were originally his or not. So it's just a general count. In regards to your other question, I really don't know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:11, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well after "Jam Defender" destroyed "Revival Jam" in order to nullify the Battle Damage between "Buster Blader" and "Slifer", the latter wasn't destroyed despite it being weaker. This probably means that in Battle City, a monster can't be destroyed if no Battle Damage, but that is just my assumption as I don't know another instance prior to season 4 where more real life game instances are placed in. It was also stated that Slifer's second mouth counted as some sort of attack as its effect didn't activate while "Nightmare's Steelcage" was active. A similar thing applied to Yami Marik's Duel with Yami Yugi as he was able to activate "Surprise Attack from Beyond" even though "Ra" didn't attack. I will make note of the last note a bit later, so you can read this part.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:24, October 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * I would personally chalk it up to "the God cards are allowed to screw the rules". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:26, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * After all this, I would agree now because the Egyptian God cards probably have a lot of strange effects and rulings that they can bypass some rulings under certain conditions. That was probably just for Battle City though because after that, the God cards had to follow a couple of regular rulings.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:30, October 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * And Seto wanted those Gods so he just let them screw the rulings until he get them in his hand (which unfortunate had failing to do so) -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  09:30, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

The Pyramid of Light movie discrepancy
I found a huge discrepancy in Yugi and Kaiba's Duel. Yugi appeared to have 41 cards in his Deck instead of the standard forty in a player's Deck. This is so far one of the few known Duels in the anime or movies where a character is shown to have more than forty cards in their Deck(Others include the Duel with Dartz and the Ceremonial Battle). If Yugi had forty cards in his Deck, Yugi would have lost after Anubis ended his turn which was after his two monsters destroyed Yugi's two monsters.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:08, October 26, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * I don't have an explanation for that. The movie had a lot of errors in it with card art the like (Yugi had two copies of "Ra" at one point), so I think it was just that, an error. For what's it worth, the novel gives an exact forty-card readout of Yugi's Deck (along with Kaiba's and Pegasus's), which can be found on Yugi's Decklist page. Doesn't appear to help here though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:07, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Pegasus in the GX manga
The infobox on the Maximillion Pegasus page says that he appears in the ''Yu-Gi-Oh! GX'' manga. Is this true? -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:44, October 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I vaguely remember a flashback scene he was in, but I could be misremembering. I'm short on time right now, but I can check it later tonight. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:48, October 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * He appears in one panel in chapter 61. When Tragoedia extracts his heart from "Winged Kuriboh", he views its memories. He sees it as a stone tablet in Egypt, the physical card's creation by Pegasus (which presumably tied the spirit to the card), its memories of Koyo and its memories of passing the Feather of Ma'at to LADD. I can upload an image if you like. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:55, October 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Nah, you don't need to upload it, unless you think it's needed for an article. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:22, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Better Than TBA>?
I Really Like How its Much Better to put ? on The Duel Results This is An Example How if ? If This Was Added instead of TBA What Do You Think

Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL II
Did You Even Watched Episode 77 of ZEXAL The Student Council President is Under Barains Control

5D's 150
Should I change the wording in Misty's (and others if the same) article a bit? I ask because we see everyone cheering him on as an image (Yusei was in space, so wouldn't it be speculation to say she returned to Domino city when we only saw their image?). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 19:37, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I would remove the mention of her returning to New Domino City. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:15, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

TCG/OCG
Should these terms be written in italics or not? I see both a lot so I really don't know for sure which's the correct one. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:11, November 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:13, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

A question about Alit
Why would Alit be interested in Tori and which episode showed Alit falling for Tori(which led to him to try and claim her heart)?Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 22:29, November 4, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * One of the recent previews mentions this. I think its episode 80 or 81. As to why, I dunno. Because the writers are stupid? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:30, November 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's episode 80. It's not probably because of how intelligent the writers are. It's probably something that would probably be elaborated on in episode 80. We should wait until the episode airs in Japan.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 22:35, November 4, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * I'm sure there will be an explanation. I just don't have high hopes that it will be a good explanation, though I'm very cynical, so w/e. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:37, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Zubaba Archetype
Hi I saw you deleted the last page that was the Zubaba Archetype for having just 2 cards should I make it now since Zubaba General has been confirmed.--Veriteo (talk • contribs) 09:20, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Restored. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:38, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

"Reconstructed effect|anime"
Why is that template box necessary? According to the words, they say "This card's effect in the anime was never shown fully and/or directly..." It seems incorrect, as Schroeder fully "showed" the effect (by using it and explaining it). I have the feeling you mean "This card's effect text in the anime was never shown fully and/or directly." In that case, is there some way you can change the text box's wording to reflect this? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 17:12, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you can't see the full text, it's needed. By "shown", it does mean the written text. I'll edit the template to clarify, I agree the wording needs work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:23, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I changed "effect" to "written lore". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:26, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

5D's MC Images
Should that RexGoodwin guy be editing them? I've seen in several places that images should be centralised images of a character's face, but GX + 5D's had those great images of the MC + their aces, so I was wondering whether or not I should revert his edits (Plus he adds new images without overriding the old ones...) TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 18:40, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreeing with Scarecrow, the others did actually have their aces too. I want to revert them as well, but I'm not sure what to do. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 18:47, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I personally love the character images with the ace cards. For me, using them instead of one that gives a slightly better view of the character's face is a case of ignoring the rules because I think it's better. You can revert him if you like, mention why in your edit summary. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:49, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Damage Calculation
I only have one question about this topic. If you alter the ATK and DEF of a monster during Damage Calculation, will it affect the amount of Battle Damage that is inflicted. For example, if you use "Hedge Guard" on a monster that would be destroyed, will its new ATK and DEF affect the amount of damage you will receive during Damage Calculation? I know you haven't play the game in a while, but this got me confused for a couple of days.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:59, November 6, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * That is how I would assume it would work if I was still playing - you would calculate based on the new value. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:00, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Magical Hats (anime)
In the anime, "Magical Hats" was very tricky and versatile (and had unique stuff that the TCG/OCG couldn't do). What do you propose to do for the anime effect? Eventually people will wonder why it doesn't have an anime effect... --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 18:14, November 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would propose getting someone to translate what this image says (which I'm going to go do right now) and then using that, since that's what the card actually does. Its a Duelist Kingdom anime card. It does not have what could be called a valid lore for the card game. Also, in the interim, I would assume users would check the manga effect I did add and assume it was somewhat similiar. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:19, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Live Chat
Get on the Live Chat thing for this wikia ASAP; reading through Ryusui's page has given me MANY questions. In case I am there, but don't respond, just wait a little bit. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 01:44, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

RE: PSCT
It could, but making it check that it is a card page would be a problem. Edit notices should be a better option, assuming SMW can be used on them, which I haven't tried before. If the manga itself was written before PSCT, then it shouldn't have PSCT, why would the release date of the card affect it? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:15, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * [ edit the sandbox] to see it working.
 * Edit the source by editing [ MediaWiki:Editnotice-4-Sandbox].
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:42, November 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * What I am supposed to do? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:32, November 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just throw it at post's face and see it in the Preview butt-on? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:34, November 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * At [ MediaWiki:Editnotice-4-Sandbox]. The first two just show that it is working. They will be removed if/when it will be deployed.
 * You don't really need to do anything to it, I'm just saying that it seems to work.
 * Maybe you can edit the "Do not apply PSCT (edit this)" part, which is the message to display. Keep it short though.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:32, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Dragon Nails?
Do you think that old anime cards such as "Dragon Nails" should follow the Japanese lore (as translated) exactly? Personally, I think it's fine if it doesn't follow the exact wording (such as "Equip only to a DARK Dragon-Type monster. It gains 600 ATK."), so long as the proper Japanese text is there, and the English lore follows the spirit of the Japanese lore. On Ryusui's talk page, GoldenKey found out from Ryusui that the word "DARK" could be translated as "Dark". So... at a bit of a loss as what to do here. My opinion: Keep the lore as it was before GoldenKey changed it, but I don't know what to do about the word "Dark". Thoughts? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 16:27, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Tricky stuff... Not sure what to do... if we "standardize" the lore for "Dragon Claws" in the pre-PSCT lore fashion, we would have to apply this to ALL old anime cards. Take this into consideration before you reply. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 16:34, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * If it was still referring to the DARK Attribute, I would change it back. If it was referring to some other random early-DK game mechanic, then it should stay as "Dark". I'm not seeing anything in Category:Alignments that would it, so I can't see what else it would refer to besides the Attribute. I would ask Deltaneos if he knows of anything else it could refer too, I've not read most of the original manga, but what I have read of it tells me there's often remnants of it in anime card lores. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:04, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * What I mean is, should it have that old wording, or should it be like "Equip only to a Dark Dragon-Type monster. It gains 600 ATK." --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 17:40, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * It doesn't really matter to me, honestly. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:55, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Accidental Post--Supratim1986 (talk • contribs) 11:18, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reply
Actually i don't have a NAC account. A person on Pojo Forums usually posts the card info from NAC, which i post in here. As for writing the summary, well if i am able to i would write it but only when all the card effects are known (usually within 12 hours to the airing). It isn't actually much difficult to write the summaries if all the card effects are known and how the game was played (except if the duel is like ZEXAL - 077, then i can't help) with only a limited knowledge of the Japanese language (like i do, because i am still in the beginners stage of learning the language).--Supratim1986 (talk • contribs) 11:17, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Old Manga Lores
Just want to let you know, old manga lores should be capable of having the phrase "Spell or Trap Card" changed to "Spell/Trap Card". The precedent for this comes from "Ally of Justice Cyclone Creator". Do you agree with this or no? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 15:43, November 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * If the English manga says "Spell or Trap Card", that's what we should use. If it doesn't, I have no problems with using Spell/Trap. That and stuff like target doesn't concern me much, since it had limited use beforehand. Banish is the main term I feel we should stay away from. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:47, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

I've come across a discrepancy in the English and Japanese dubs, regarding "Amulet Dragon". In the Japanese version, Yugi said (or at least the subtitles said) that when Summoned, the Dragon can "absorb" all Magic Cards in the Graveyard. He then took the 8 cards out of his Graveyard and showed the backsides of the cards to Rafael. I (and 1 other Japanese website I came across on the web) interpreted this as being "removed from play". However, in the English dub, Yugi just said the Dragon "gets 300 points for each Magic Card in my Graveyard," and pulled out the 8 cards from his Graveyard for dramatic effect. What one should we go with? I have my opinion, but I wish to see your POV on this first. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 02:32, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Absorbed doesn't necessarily have to mean removed from play. Given that he actually took them out of his Graveyard though, I find it more likely than them staying there. So if you must go with one, I'd go with removing them from play. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:29, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Spammer

 * sorry to waste your time but there is a spammer with this ip (189.110.94.63) who is writing bad words on the pages of characters and I gave him a warning for that. Themaster1915 (talk • contribs) 16:40, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I get what he meant by this. That's not only bad word, but also in other language, like some bunch of the spanish names. Also warning him because of his summary. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:44, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * He appears to have stopped now, so no need for a block. He was warned and he actually stopped. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:48, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I noticed, at least I pointed out what 1915 meant for. I even warned him to not swearing at other user like that. At least the banning taught me couple of the virtue lessons. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:50, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Regarding the anon who just commented on Vivians talk page, shouldn't you block the ip (It's a user Falzar has currently blocked)? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 17:14, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * How do you know its the same guy? Even if it is, he's done nothing wrong with this IP yet besides failing to read a note and removing it, which was quickly reverted. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:17, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Shard pointed to this user, I don't think that's same user that 1915 caught and cursed on. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:19, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't get me wrong or anything, but you aren't suppose to evade bans (wether you did something wrong or not with the current ip). Guess I'll ask Delt if it's the same user. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 17:25, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Turbo Warrior and Gate Defender
Does "Gate Defender's" effect target a monster? "Turbo Warrior's" second effect only applies to monsters whose effects target monsters. If this is not the case, I think an anime lore will need to be created. This has created a lot of confusion for me, so I want this solved quickly.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:47, November 15, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
 * "Turbo Warrior" negated Level 6 or lower Effect Monster that target him so in the case, both Anime and TCG/OCG effects are same. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:54, November 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that sounds right. Even if it's not, there is no clear shot of the card for "Gate Defender" to know for sure. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:03, November 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's probably similar to the effect of "Negate Attack"(not completely). It targets the opposing monster before negating the attack.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:26, November 15, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Still same, no matter which one went first, it just jammed in the end. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:31, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Mamoru
There doesn't seem to be any other cases of that happening. That's the only one. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:17, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Nephthys
Seemed like a good idea at the time. Garunix and Barong share similar effects with Nephthys, so I thought all of them would. Mad Rest 18:30, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Editing Mistakes =/= Dub Edits
Should we list editing mistakes in deck lists too? Seeing as the dub edits are merely poor editing but are listed (which could possibly be put into a page titled 4KIDS card edit mistakes or something?). An example would be like Dragan having 2 Tanngrisnir or Crow having 2 Vayu's. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 16:51, November 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * We do have one page for a particularly egregious example. I'm not convinced its poor editing. I honestly think they intentionally do it because they think they're being clever. I like the idea of having a page where we can just list them. As far as listing them in Decklists, we do that, don't we? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:14, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Episode 175 problem
If "Celestial Sword Eatos" wasn't destroyed until the end of the Battle Phase, shouldn't "Kuribandit" have 700 ATK, not 1000(I read "Kuribandit's" page and it says it has 1000 ATK). Also if "Eatos" removes all monsters in the opponent's Graveyard until the player reaches a Spell/Trap, shouldn't "Electromagnetic Turtle" be banished along with the three monsters that Rafael forcibly banished via the effect of "Eatos"? If so, it would be hard to figure out how Yami Yugi could have activated its effect if it was banished from the Graveyard before it could be used.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 21:54, November 17, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * For the first point, the card for "Kuribandit" wasn't ever shown right? So yeah, that's fine. For the other point, I don't really know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Dark Assailant
I thought if a monster's lore mentions the name of a series/archetype, it is treated as related. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 13:45, November 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * But its obviously not referring to the "Assassin" archetype at at all since that archetype didn't exist when the card was printed. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:11, November 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well alright then. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 15:16, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

ZEXAL II episode count
I think it'd be a good idea to add, in the articles for the ZEXAL II episodes, the number of the episode in both ZEXAL (the whole thing) and ZEXAL II, as, well, we count everything as one series 'cause TV Tokyo does so, but many websites count ZEXAL II from 1, and it is "another series" after all. So, I think we should write, for example, ""Shark's Rage!! Save The Captured Lil' Sister!" is the seventy-eighth episode of the Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL anime and the fifth episode under the Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL II subtitle." or something like that. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:44, November 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Eh, I don't know. Yeah, some websites are starting the numbering over, but I'd argue that those websites are wrong. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Effect?
In the anime and manga cards articles, one should to write "|effect =", and under it "|anime/mangalore =", and just there write the lore. What exactly should be written in "|effect ="? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:39, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * That parameter is for activation stuff like Ignition, Trigger, etc. I usually add it as a blank parameter because I don't know which is which since its primarily a real game thing (though there's no reason an anime/manga card can't also use it). On the occasions I've added something to it, I'm usually wrong. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, Manga version of those effect are very oddly writing, like for "Power Tool Mecha Dragon", it has "You can steal your opponent's Equip Card and equip it to this card." line, which is very different from "Chthonian Polymer" when those effect are worded. I know that the latter card said to sacrifice monster in order to gain a control of the Summoned Fusion Monster while Mecha Dragon just eyed at the Equip Card's action. If that was me, I would saying that "Once per turn: You can target 1 activating Equip Cards that your opponent activated, and if you do, equipped that target to this card." instead of that manga ridiculous... -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:38, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've already talked to Cheese 'bout this, Fred. It's not that we describe the effect like that, it's that the lore is written like that in the manga. Despite I also don't like the fact that the manga still uses such lores, those are the official lores, and if it's official, we add it. Although I suggested something like adding the official lore and an additional lore explaining the effect, 'cause some cards just... ugh. Like a GX manga's spell whose lore read "Two ice pillars appear in the field." and 5D's Dragonecro's "This monster steals the souls of the monsters it battles.". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:30, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yea, that's the whole reason why Cheesy just decided to put in a naked list of "|effect =" instead of filling them up like a foolish clown. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:37, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion About Curse Network
You don't necessarily know the tone TwoTailedFox is taking... I interpreted the succinctness of his reply as respectfulness. I think it is best not to directly accuse Fox of not caring, but to rather say "It sounded like to me that you..." You get the point. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 06:48, November 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Respectful? Sure. But it still warrants more of a response given the nature of what's being talked about. If he was busy and had to throw off a quick reply, I understand. To me, it seemed like he was dismissing the whole point. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:51, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Genex Gaia
Hey Cheesedude, did you happen to catch the comment Ryusui made in regards to this monster? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:13, November 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yup, one-card archetype for "Genex Controller", right? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:16, November 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Gotta love those one-card archetypes. Heh, maybe they'll make a WATER "Genex Controller 1" on in the vein of "Harpie Lady 1/2/3", to give Atlanteans/Mermails a boost. I'm dreaming. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:24, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

NAC discussion

 * Cont' from http://neoarkcradle.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2275&p=117123#p117123


 * Oh, you meant what Fox had planned for the Sets pages, not Delt? And that Hamon page seems to be the only Card Sets page I'm even seeing in existence. So now I'm confused.

Aah, you thought Delt was the one responsible for the Card Sets namespace. That wasn't clear from your post. Nope, apparently it was TTF that got it set up; none of the rest of us have any idea what he had/has in mind for it. And it's not just your imagination, that is the only Card Sets page on the wiki. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:09, November 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * You were discussing Trivia Pages on NAC, so I thought i'd throw this in. Is there any way to prevent people from adding "X card is similar to X because..."? It sounds tacky and trivia should be what the card is based off of (if anything) and if it's featured in artwork. It's especially annoying on cards which are revival-based when they said "X card is a "Monster Reborn" for (insert archetype, type or attribute). TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 22:31, November 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. That makes more sense now. I don't really think it's needed by any means though. It probably wouldn't hurt to ask him though.
 * Yeah, that is some trivia that's pretty pointless, even by the standards of trivia. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:00, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * There's no way to prevent it, but we can make removing it a point of policy, so to speak. "X resembles Y" has no place on trivia pages, nor does "X is Y for Z". 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:08, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

On a side note, is it possible to integrate a "search" part to the new format for card pages, so they wouldn't take up space on the Card Tips sections of those pages? "Search" would have cards that could search the card out, like "Sangan" and stuff. I was a bit offended after reading what NeoArkadia said about those particular tips, but I realize that they were only put there as an attempt to help people. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 07:46, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * As I mentioned somewhere in the NAC thread, Falzar and I were working on a template a while back to completely automate the search tips, which will hopefully resolve Ark's problems with said tips (once we get back around to finishing it up and actually sticking it in a template and deploying). His problem with them, as near as I can tell, boils down to him not liking the fact that people have to spend their time maintaining these tips (though if you're reading this, Ark, I'm *not* trying to put words in your mouth, and you should correct me if I'm laboring under a false pretense here ;) ), so hopefully replacing the hand-maintained tips with a fully-automated template will get him to back off a bit. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:31, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, his issue seemed to be that they existed in the first place. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:13, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

ZEXAL episode 34
I can't seem to find "Number 15: Gimmick Puppet Giant Grinder" in episode 34. Where was it? On another note, I noticed you reverted edits in 5ds episode 47. I altered it slightly to make it have a bit of old style and new style, but I mostly kept the latter in for the most part. Reply when possible.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 15:31, November 24, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * In the Japanese version, it is shown at the very start of the episode (briefly though). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 15:33, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Problems with episode 48 and movie
In episode 48, Devack Tributes "Morphtronic Magnen Bar" to summon "Ape Fighter". The former then went to Leo's Graveyard. In Yu-Gi-Oh! 3D Bonds Beyond Time, Yusei was able to revive "Stardust Dragon" through its own efffect, even though it was Paradox's card for the Duel. This would make me assume 3d Bonds Beyond Time uses the rulings from the second series anime instead of the 5ds rulings. This is just my assumption however.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:15, November 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * For the first point, what exactly is the problem? I don't get it. For the second, it's just way it worked in the anime. I wouldn't worry about it. The term "owner" isn't necessarily the same in the anime. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:53, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well "Morphtronic Magnen Bar" was Tributed to summon "Ape Fighter". When "Ape Fighter" attacks Leo directly, Leo activates "Remake Puzzle" to destroy "Morphtronic Magnen" and summon "Morphtronic Magnen Bar" in its place. Given the lore of "Remake Puzzle", it became apparent to me that "Magnen Bar" was sent to Leo's Graveyard. In the movie, Yusei gained control of "Stardust Dragon" thanks to Yugi. When Paradox tried to inflict damage via the effect of "Malefic Truth Dragon", Yusei Tributes "Stardust Dragon" to negate the effect and destroy "Malefic Truth Dragon", however Paradox saves his monster before it could be destroyed. On Paradox's End Phase, "Stardust Dragon" was revived onto Yusei's side of the field. In reality, that can't happen because "Stardust Dragon" was Paradox's card at the timing. This was explained in the Notes section of the movie page.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 03:04, November 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * I'm still not understanding the first point. For the movie, that was the "bond between Duelist and card" motif in full effect. It wasn't rulings thing, it was "Stardust" actively deciding to come back to Yusei. Paradox was the card's "owner" in game terms, so yes, it should have revived to his side of the field. But Yusei owned the card otherwise and "Stardust" came back due to their "bond". It's just something that's going to happen in the anime sometimes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:13, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * That may be, but this isn't the first time something like this happened. In the Duel between Yami Yugi and Yami Marik, the former took the latter's "Monster Reborn". Yami Yugi then activated "Monster Reborn" to revive "Queen's Knight". "Monster Reborn" then went to Yami Yugi's Graveyard despite the fact it was Marik's card. Marik later took back the card via "Zombie's Jewel". Marik then activated "Monster Reborn" to bring back "The Winged Dragon of Ra". When that happened, "Monster Reborn" went to Marik's Graveyard like it should have been. This Duel did happen in Yugi's time, so I guess the Duelists had to follow those rulings for the most part.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 15:47, November 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

Episode 181 and Critias
I noticed that Yami Yugi was able to remove "The Fang of Critias" even though it was in Kaiba's Graveyard. However this could imply to me that all the cards in Kaiba's Graveyard went to Yami Yugi's after Kaiba lost. This was probably just something exclusive for the second series anime for simple dramatic effect.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 05:03, November 25, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * You could argue that they shared a single Graveyard, even though there were two Graveyard Zones. Something similiar happened in the final chapters of the GX manga. I wouldn't worry about it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:13, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Masked Doll?
I forget... Did our long conversation do anything to change the status of the English anime lore of "Masked Doll"? I ask this because it might mean that all anime-exclusive cards might need direct translations from what the Japanese lore says. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 07:26, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I asked Ryusui to translate that one a while back. What's currently there should be accurate. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:13, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Nac
Few days back you asked me if i had a NAC account. Well i decided to make one after that and my username there is "Neo Ray Veiss".--Supratim1986 (talk • contribs) 07:38, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Fire King Beast Yaksha
how come only this card has its name changed and not the other Fire Kings: Quilin and Barong? They have similar names. 70.79.84.206 (talk) 06:28, November 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Because I didn't notice they had also been moved, since they weren't on my watchlist (incidentally, I have no idea why Yaksha was on my watchlist) Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 13:04, November 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * If they're wrong about this archetype too, I suggest we stop using them as an official source. Mad Rest 17:56, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not the eventual TCG name =/= unofficial. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:14, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Any source, official or not, would lose its credibility if it's wrong 70% of the time. Just because they say so doesn't mean that we should immediately take it for true, considering they've been wrong so many times. Mad Rest 20:23, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * They are an official source. That's the end of the discussion. Just because they're wrong [PERCENTAGE] of the time doesn't change it. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:27, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Even if they're official, if we know they're going to be wrong, there's no reason to follow what they say. Mad Rest 20:31, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * OMG, Konami is wrong! Kevin's right, let's get effect activating from Sangan when he detached from Xyz Monster! Let's not activating Dandylion's effect when detached or threw from the Deck into the Graveyard! Oh, shut the heck up, Sénior D and accept the fact. You're act like Fi from Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:35, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * But we don't know that they'll be wrong. They've been right more often than they've been wrong, first off. Them having been wrong int he past does not automatically mean they'll be wrong in the future. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:59, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was sarcasm. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:17, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was talking to Master D, but screwed up the indentation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:36, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fix'd, better now, Cheesy? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:43, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Photon Thrasher
Since its japanese name can also mean its TCG Name as well as its Translated name, I'm wondering, should that translated parameter be changed to "Alternate" instead? I asked Ryusui about the translated name and he came to the same conclusion I did, that Photon Slasher and Thrasher are both valid translations. The name cannot be translated into any other names from what I'm aware of. I'm not familiar with how these parameters work, so I'd rather consult someone to avoid doing something stupid. Neos01 (talk • contribs) 17:27, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * If "Thrasher" is valid and that's what the TCG went with, I would say it was the intended translation and the parameter can simply be removed altogether. We shouldn't use "altname" for unofficial names. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:36, November 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll remove the parameter. I just hope I can avoid a war with Master D. Neos01 (talk • contribs) 17:40, November 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * When it enters the field, there is a slashing animation on a black screen in the anime... Mad Rest 17:52, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * And? Could you not "thrash" while slashing something? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:56, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Stupid Viz
So, I just bought some English volumes of Yu-Gi-Oh! manga, including volumes 7, 8 and 9 of GX. Viz just messes everything up. In one single volume, for example, they call Johan by 3 names: Johan, Johann and Jesse. The same happens to other characters and the worse for us: cards. For example, Amon's "Sealed Beasts". In volume 7, when he Tag-Duels Asuka and Misawa, they are called "Sealed Beasts", but when he later duels Judai, they're called "Forbidden Beasts". So, what should we do? We name 'em "Sealed" or "Forbidden"? :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:48, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Leave them at Forbidden. One, its less work moving all the stuff again and it was used later. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:56, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Like with Kalin still called them "Purgatory" while their card counterpart still used the TCG name "Infernity". Manga are all non-sense like that, so I would better let them going to "Forbidden" unless further evidence are adding. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:52, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Awright. And for exceptional cases, I just add "|manganame =" (if the manga name differs from the TCG name) or "|altname =" (if it has multiple names or a mistaken name), right? Just to be sure. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:05, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:59, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

New User, I guess...
Would you mind moving the post on this page to the Forums, and informing User:Otokoshiro what Talk pages are for? I would try to move the page myself, but idk how. Or is it just a matter of simply deleting the page (or removing content and placing deletion request template, in my case) and copy/pasting the content to the Forums? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 22:17, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * You should be able to move the page just as you would any other. I'll look into it though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:59, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thing is, I don't know how to move pages. The closest thing I know is "renaming." Would you mind telling me how, or referring me to page that explains how? Anyways, Falzar kinda resolved the situation, but I'm still interested if it comes up again. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 00:04, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Moving and renaming are the same thing. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:05, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * And also to moving the article without making a redirect; unmarked "Leave the redirect behind" line so all other Admins would not have an issue to strangling the fake one off. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:19, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Duel
Hello! I am PhoenixRa1237! You want to duel? Contact me on my page if you do. PhoenixRa1237 (talk • contribs) 00:43, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't Duel. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:45, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Spell Transfer
The text beforehand is also supposition. You can't prove either lore as correct. Mine, however, is closer to how the card would work, as there has been consistency on when cards of that category have been activated.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 02:20, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, we can't actually see the text. But gameplay simply does not work that way in Battle City. We should not act as if anime card effects work the same as in the real game. Especially back in DM, they didn't. A card effect worded as if it was a real card has no place there. Yes, the effects are retroactively negated, but we should not have to say that - that's just how it worked in Battle City.Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:25, November 30, 2012 (UTC)