Forum:Reasons why cards are Forbidden/Limited/Archive 2

March 2012
So we now have news on the upcoming banlist. Do we update now, or wait till it actually takes effect? --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 05:53, February 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming we wait until it actually takes effect, for all we known Shriek might be wrong. It's unlikely but possible... And preferred.121.222.228.13 (talk) 06:05, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't the list be updated? Its march 2th (atleast for me) its supposed to take effect by now LG talk My own Guides 14:57, March 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was thinking about doing it but it's Falzar's forum and he usually does it. But, he get's really busy sometimes with other stuff and it's March now so I think I'll take care of it. This most recent list was really out there, so when I type up the reasons for where cards are on the list, it might be biased towards my opinion. So, if anyone ends up disagreeing with what I put, I won't care if they change it. I mostly just want to get it updated. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 19:49, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Glow-Up Bulb was hit to hurt plants, I think it was just an indirect hit for them. Hitting it killed the First Turn Quasar Future Fusion deck that was insanely consistent, without GUB they have no targets to make Formula Synchron with. So yeah, maybe it wasn't because of Plants considering they weren't exactly top tier for a while, just my thoughts. 123.211.144.181 (talk) 05:08, March 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but Spore got hit too, so I'm thinking Plants. I'll add the First Turn Quasar thing though. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:31, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Random off-topic question - does anybody else think that Mirage of Nightmare should be changed from "Never" to "Very Low?" Seriously, even Yata-Garasu is "Very Low." 99.165.192.113 (talk) 22:41, March 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was actually considering it when I was updating this earlier. I could see Mirage coming back at some point. I'm mostly sketchy on the fact that it could make Fableds and DW OP. I would like a little input from other people before changing this one. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 23:33, March 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Dark Worlds I could see being pretty good with it, I can't see Fableds being that great with it though. Sure it'd give them a boost but they'll need more than a boost to be able to compete with current decks.
 * And I'm not sure it'd be brought back. Does it help Xyz's at all? Nope. Less chance of it coming back.
 * 123.211.144.181 (talk) 01:33, March 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I wasn't saying it has a very high likelihood of coming back, but wouldn't you agree it has at more of a chance of coming back than that annoying freaking-crow-that-wins-games-on-its-own? 99.165.192.113 (talk) 01:53, March 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Probably, but even so, I think a very low is needed at least. -- - Crimson Joker ( Talk ) 04:40, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * So, pretty much we agree Very Low for Mirage of Nightmare, correct? --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 09:46, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think that at the very least, nobody is arguing against it. 99.165.192.113 (talk) 21:11, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, is there anything else on there that anyone thinks should be changed? And also, maybe some discussion on some cards that are marked as "unsure" ( "-" )? --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 23:49, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe Metamorphosis to "Very Low?" It has too many epic combos (derp, my Beast King Barbaros becomes Cyber Twin Dragon and my Metal Reflect Slime becomes Naturia Exterio). EDIT: Oh, and Formula Synchron to "=" I think, it's balanced at one. 99.165.192.113 (talk) 00:58, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done and done. I put Formula as =, but with a chance of going ↓. With Glow-Up AND Fishborg gone, it's really not as broken. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 03:08, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fishborg Blaster to "Low?" As it says up there he is quite abusable, but also Fishborg Launcher was designed to be a nerfed replacement for him. 99.165.192.113 (talk) 11:18, March 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * With Laucher replacing Blaster, the odds of Blaster coming back are even slimmer. I'm gonna say Very Low. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:16, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Magical scientist should have his reason slightly edited, apart from the FTK he can perform with catapult turtle, he can also summon 4 xyz monsters by itself, which is obviously far too fast for this format.

matthew.lightbody@talktalk.net (talk • contribs) 21:38, March 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, and done. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 00:40, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Does anybody else think Snatch Steal should go to "Never" (sorry, update to end all updates)? IMO it's even worse than Change of Heart because even though it can't target face-downs to take control of, it offers control as long as it stays on the field, Hidden Armory can search/recycle it indiscriminately because you don't need to summon during a series of turns where you just steal your opponents monsters, and the opponent LP gain just doesn't matter. 99.162.190.109 (talk) 15:02, March 17, 2012 (UTC) P.S. - Hey, maybe Konami will errata Magical Scientist to say "up to twice per turn" and bring him back to promote Xyzs. Probably not.


 * lol, I didn't mean it would be the last update. I meant it as it would be the last mass update for a while. As for Snatch Steal to "Never", I don't agree. 3 MSTs, Heavy Storm, Night Shot (actually really good), etc. It's just not gonna stay on the field. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:32, March 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Disregard Night Shot, I put that forgetting that it only destroys set S/T. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:28, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Snatch Steal is pretty bad. Most of my losses in Duel Academy (I know AI sucks) come from blowing all my cards to get ahead one powerful monster, than losing that monster next turn. While The card can be destroyed quite easily from MST, You should never use the card with the intention of keeping it on the field longer than a turn anyway. The "cost" of increasing your opponents life points is easily negated by saving it until your foe brings out the big guns and smashing him with his own ace. I don't know if Never is overkill, but it won't be coming down anytime soon. It would be balanced if it was limited to level 4 or lower cards maybe.ZGWolf (talk • contribs) 20:29, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely right, it's not coming back soon, and it might never come back. But putting "Never" is definitely overkill. "Never" should be reserved for truly broken/poorly designed cards like CED, Substitoad, Imperial Order, and Victory Dragon (because of the way surrendering works in the OCG). --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:34, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Speaking of whom, IIRC, Victory Dragon is also banned, and never coming back, because you could sidedeck it in 3rd duel, even if you have 2 losses, the duel would be required to be played because it is "possible" that you will win the match, basically wasting everyone's time. 75.58.124.7 (talk) 21:53, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think it works like that. If you have 2 losses, you lost the match and you don't get a chance to side. The match can't continue if a winner has been determined. But, the point is, Victory Dragon is never coming back either way. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:58, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * actually of all the "broken" cards in the game, I think Victory dragon is the most likely to come back. It was a pain in the neck to actually summon, and is actully pretty weak. As wierd as it may sound, I am more afraid of snatch steal than victory dragon. Then again I don't do much tourneys. Just wondering, were there any cases between release and ban where this card was actually used? Not that I actually want it, it's just really shiny 0_0

ZGWolf (talk • contribs) 02:55, March 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * The reason Victory Dragon will not come back is because of the OCG. In the TCG, when your opponent drops VD, you can just surrender before they can damage you with it, so that they only win the round and not the full match. In the OCG, you may only surrender after the tenth turn. VD is worse now because it can be summoned easier than before. Hieratics can drop it in a single turn, and possibly drop you to 0 that turn since they're so OTK oriented. It also may never come back just because it's the only Match Winner that isn't Illegal. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 03:03, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Topic conflict
I am now notice the mispurpose of "CURRENTLY BANNED" while there are like Limited and Semi-Limited including those recipes. So why not change the topic to "List of Reasons why cards are on the Currently Banlist" instead of "List of Reason why cards are Currently Banned"? So that can making a sense...? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:49, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see what you mean. We're not talking about just the banned stuff, we're talking about Semi-Limited and Limited stuff too, so the title is inaccurate. I agree in all honesty. What about "Reasons why cards are currently restricted" or "Reasons why cards are Banned/Limited"? Which sounds better? I don't think we need to say "List of..." in the title. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 01:04, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with changing, maybe "Which Cards are Restricted and Why"? 99.162.190.109 (talk) 01:00, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * This unregistered user has better topic choice - let's go with that! -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:02, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like it too, but I want a few different ideas out there to choose from before we decide what to change it to. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 01:04, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Do we need to invoking some Admins to include some discusses with this? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:10, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, we don't have to. I'm just saying that we should throw a few more ideas out there for the new name. Like maybe "Reasons why cards currently on the Forbidden/Limited list" or something. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 01:14, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, but I am still going with the one unregistered user made up, it suit this article better. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:18, March 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking about going ahead and changing it now because the current title is just meh. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:32, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Trishula
Ok why does the reason of trishula say "her"? does trishula honestly look like a female to you? LG talk My own Guides 15:01, March 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you sexist against female dragons then? I'm not sure as to the answer myself, but I've heard Trish getting called "her" by a lot of people... 75.58.122.97 (talk) 22:21, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * As well as this article being mentioned "her" allot. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:17, March 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Most people I know refer to Trishula as a "her". And yes, I do feel that she appears to be female. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:07, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

IDK might have to do with the fact that most people refer to the card as "Trish" sounds feminine to me...

Shinkirou 21:45, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Scapegoat
I want to discuss this card. I don't understand why it has been limited for so long. Goat Control is beyond dead, and with all of these mass removal effects floating around, it just seems like it's not that great anymore. Sure, you can use it with a Tuner to Synchro for almost anything you want, but Xyz Monsters are taking over anyways. Thoughts? --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 03:02, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

There's enough stall in this game. Soon you'll be able to fill a deck with nothing but stall. 121.222.170.239 (talk) 22:27, March 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Most people consider stalling to be a sub-par strategy in this day and age. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 22:32, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

The stall isn't that bad anymore, with more cards that pierce and easier ways to get rid of the tokens. I think the main concern is Synchros, so maybe it could have a chance of semi-limit now that Konami has smacked our best tuners and Synchro monsters. Personally, I'm perfectly fine with it at one though. 75.58.122.97 (talk) 22:31, March 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I could see it going to 2, since it wouldn't really affect the game. I'll put it as Low chance of getting less restricted I think. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 06:43, March 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * and there are much more piercing monsters now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:44, March 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just because there are more doesn't mean people run them. How many piercing monsters do you run? I don't think I run any in any deck I play.
 * If that was a good enough reason to bring back cards:
 * There's many ways to destroy monsters, Yata-Garasu and Goyo Guardian should come back.
 * There's many ways to stop effects, Tribe-Infecting Virus should come back.
 * There are many ways to prevent destruction, Harpie's Feather Duster and Raigeki should come back.
 * These examples may be a bit extreme but you get the idea.
 * 121.222.170.239 (talk) 10:30, March 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see the idea, but those were all banned, while Goat is at 1. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:03, March 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Unlike most of the ones you mentioned, Scapegoat does not tend to be a "play it and win" or "play it and get unstoppable advantage" card. 75.58.122.97 (talk) 18:48, March 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see you missed the part where I said "These examples may be a bit extreme but you get the idea."
 * 121.222.170.239 (talk) 07:37, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Those Formerly Forbidden
You haven't listed the reasons for Creature Swap, Emergency Provisions, Light and Darkness Dragon, Mage Power, Phantom of Chaos and the Gadgets at 2. I suppose this thread's name doesn't mention "Semi-Limited", but you did list Apprentice Magician and Morphing Jar #2 so I'm not sure. 207.233.120.2 (talk) 20:08, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Creature Swap/Mage Power: Too strong. Returned after revisionism.
 * Green/Red/Yellow Gadget: Gadgets were topping. Now they're not.
 * Emergency Provisions: Abused with Mirage of Nightmare.
 * Light and Darkness Dragon: Perfect Circle.
 * Phantom of Chaos: Overhype? I don't know the environment from that time.


 * Well, I'd like to think that "Limited" implies that Semi-Limited is included in this case. Anyways, I can go ahead and add some reasons for those cards. I'm not sure about Phantom of Chaos either. I imagine it has to do with Sky Scourge decks. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 02:10, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

heres a reason for PoC: was abused in norelras and demise decks to create a yata-lock-like situation or in fusion decks with hard-to-summon materials (sacred beasts,VWXYZ) LG talk My own Guides 04:59, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

A nice reminder
I would just like to remind all of you that YOU CAN EDIT THE LIST AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SCREW IT UP! But I will delete anything I feel shouldn't be here. kthnx. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:20, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Made some constructive edits. It's almost impossible to edit the list on Internet Explorer because the size of the page slows the editor to a crawl. As a sidenote, I believe Solemn Warning can negate more cards than Royal Oppression. 207.233.120.2 (talk) 16:56, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. The additions look pretty legit. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 02:40, May 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Added [ section edit for the list]. That way it'll only load the list, and not this discussion area. So less to load = less lag.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:03, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Falzar! I actually didn't know that was possible. Also, at some point, is there a way to archive some of the discussion? It's starting to get a little lengthy. It's not an immediate problem but I wanted to know if it can be done for the future. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:09, May 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Might as well. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:16, May 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks again. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:52, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Glow Up Bulb/Spore
I think that both of these should be changed to Low, Konami seems to be going through a phase of disliking reusable Tuner monsters and both of these fit the bill; Glow-Up Bulb is obvious, and Spore can still be used in combination with Lonefire Blossom. 108.196.206.15 (talk) 20:17, June 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a plan. I don't really see them as being that broken personally. I can see them coming back at some point. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 23:14, June 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Most like never return - as they abused to shit out Quasar Dragon onto the field then punch the hell out of opponent's face if played right. Either ban Quasar or forget them. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:16, June 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I completely disagree. Most Plant decks opted not to run Quasar. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 23:20, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

About Rescue Cat
IMO Rescue Cat should NEVER EVER leave the list. Mainly because this card from REDU. I mean, Cat (or Monk into Cat) -> Unifolia + Darksoul -> Cat + Darksoul -> ... -> Beast + Barkion + a couple of searches by Darksouls. That's too scary ._." -- Brunjox ( talk, contrib ) 11:43, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Alternatively, a zombified version of the Last Will Rescue Cat OTK. If you remember that, feel free to tremble now. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 12:29, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

if only trishula was still here, it mneans 2 searches + 2700 beater + banishing 3 cards from 3 diffirent places. scary right?--LaserGhost (talk • contribs) 12:45, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Very scary indeed. I do remember the Last Will/Rescue Cat combo, but the OTK with Unifolia is even scarier, because it's a possible OTK AND a Spell/Trap lockdown if you go first. Just set some backrow (the Solemn brigade or other stuff) and it's game - ALL THANKS TO 1 CARD (Cat) or 2 (Monk and a Spell) in hand. -- Brunjox ( talk, contrib ) 13:00, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Card of Safe Return
This card should go to NEVER because it should NEVER i say NEVER Come back. Something like infernities,X-sabers,Zombies, Wind-ups,frogs,synchrons and Lavals will overly spam this. NEVER Come back.--LaserGhost (talk • contribs) 16:35, July 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're right except for the "Infernity" archetype, who wouldn't gain any advantage from that card. Also, "Dark World" anyone? (Grapha/Sillva/Goldd/Beeige/etc.) -- Brunjox ( talk, contrib ) 17:50, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

I used CoSR with 3 stardust and/or stardust assault modes to lock down their everything basically.

Kordeleski (talk • contribs) 21:59, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ever with Hieratic, if some Dragons are in the Graveyard, they can abusing with this card by reborn either Sealed version or Level 6 Normal Dragon (Luster Dragon 2) with enough of hand to recycle for next combines. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:06, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Definitely right, with the exception of Infernities. Infernities would never use it, it would just be a liability. Fableds on the other hand.... i'll cal this one a NEVER. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 02:39, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Elemental HERO Stratos
I think this card should be Chance of Up to Forbidden List. Not only it is +1, searching for Elemental HERO Neos Alius for HERO Beat Deck, but also, A HERO Lives Deck has taken over entire OCG Tournament. With XYZ available, it is now even easy to send Stratos back to Grave, only to be reused by Call of the Haunted or Monster Reborn again.--98.198.189.74 (talk) 04:43, August 13, 2012 (UTC)A Nerd Next Door--98.198.189.74 (talk) 04:43, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. I think Stratos should be brought back to 2 because of the many cards that can stop it, for example Thunder king, warning, judgment, veiler to name a few. It should't be brought back to 3 but it should at least go to 2. 99.100.171.71 (talk) 05:15, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE
http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/129655023 The September 2012 banlist has been confirmed. On September 1st or 2nd, I will mass-update this list, including the new cards, new reasons for certain cards being where they are, and whether or not those cards have a chance of going up or down. I would appreciate it if everyone leaves this alone until then since there's no use discussing it with the format change so close, and there's no point in adding the new stuff before the list takes effect. Thank you kindly for your patience. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 08:59, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

What?!?!

So does this mean you can't have these cards period? Because I was planning in getting Trishula and I already have Cyber Jar, Magician of Faith, and Giant Trunade. What should I do now? Throw them away?! SwordoftheSpirit (talk • contribs) 01:28, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you are allowed to have them. You just can't put them in your deck. PHASE (talk • contribs) 01:57, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

At all or can I use them if I say Duel my brother? Or a friend who will agree to let me use them? SwordoftheSpirit (talk • contribs) 02:48, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

If your opponent is okay with it then sure, we have Traditional Format don't we? PHASE (talk • contribs) 03:07, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Question for Skull, what're you going to put as the reason for Spore being at 1? A large number of people agree there's no point it being at one, you think it was just Konami being Konami? 58.169.183.228 (talk) 12:57, August 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Pretty much - Konami is being silly, but also clever - if we get Spore back to unlimited (ever with it effect limited itself to once per duel), it can evade "D.D. Crow", any banish cards that ripping this card out of anywhere. It's like you tried to "Mystical Space Typhoon" the "Infernity Launcher", then see Infernity player miracle drew second Launcher. That's worth the trouble. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:05, August 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Except that everyone knows you chain Crow to Spore's effect, so that it's still been activated. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 14:56, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

soooo...when are you going to edit the list? —This unsigned comment was made by ‎ Inuyasha205  (talk • contribs)   18:14, September 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't play competitively any more so I'm not sure why the cards are hit. I think I've mentioned that other people can edit the list as long as they know the table syntax. (Or post the reasons below) -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:50, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

"Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity" is the first Xyz Monster to be in the list, so it's the first time to have a card with the black color in the table... I can't read it because the font is also black xD. --Missign0 (talk • contribs) 13:39, September 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * The colours are the same as what Konami use, so fixed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 14:11, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Pot of Duality and agent of earth has not been listed

matthew.lightbody@talktalk.net (talk • contribs) 09:51, September 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * A number of cards have not yet been listed. Add the hits to HERO decks and Seal of Convocation to those, then there're probably still more. 108.196.206.15 (talk) 19:41, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

I ended up procrastinating pretty badly on this. I'm not sure what all got updated here if anything. Anyone wanna fill me in so I can knock this out tonight? --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:47, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Guess someone did end up taking care of it. Sorry about the procrastination on my part. Just did a little cleanup and updating. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 03:12, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Deck Devastation Virus
This card is not listed here and would like to know why it was limited/semi limited.--Rasengan0 (talk • contribs) 00:46, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm also stumped as well. Anyone know what the meta was like from April 2005 to September 2007 (the time when DDV was Limited, then Semi)? --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 05:02, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

My guess is that it could stop commonly used searchers like Sangan, Giant Rat, etc. 71.59.8.64 (talk) 21:14, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't know about 2005, but by 2006, Dark Magician of Chaos floated around.

CCV+DDV (With Sangan and DMoC) kills Deck. —This unsigned comment was made by 98.198.189.74  (talk • contribs)  21:14, October 29, 2012‎ (UTC)

black whirlwind and some other cards
Black whirlwind should go to 2, scapegoat should go to 2 or 3, Ojama trio should go to 3, shooting quasar dragon should be banned or at one (because double quasar is too overpowered), rekindling should be limited or semi because it can easily get shooting quasar dragon and lead to an easy one turn kill and if its on the first turn, there's not really much you can do (except super polymerization, that's the only thing that can stop it), premature burial might be able to go back to one because brionac is forbidden and giant trunade is forbidden but there's still probably some comboes with it, and is tsukuyomi going to stay at one, go back to banned, or go to 3? Is anyone using tsukuyomi?
 * Hmm...I don't know what to think of Tsukuyomi, it's not bad, but if it was at 2 or 3, it might be too good for certain loops or combos. I think we could change Premature Burial to "Low" from very low, since Brio got banned last September, but Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier, Falcon of Mist Valley, and Hidden Armory (all rarely used) could still abuse it to an extent. I'm not sure if Spore is going back to 0 or going to 3 again, but it's pointless to keep it at one, because no one runs more than one anyways. Shooting Quasar is never going to get banned because it's hard to drop. Konami is only going to hit the cards that can summon him with ease (See Fishborg Blaster), and even with 3 rekindlings, Lavals still aren't consistent enough to drop Quasar first turn all the time, so I wouldn't mention them unless they get some overpowering search card in the future. 98.206.70.2 (talk) 23:07, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Low chances
Why is it that ít never says there is a high chance of something occuring? The author basicly agrees with konami in every individual case--Quick Ninja (talk • contribs) 16:01, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

It seems to me the author isn't trying to claim what should be forbidden/limited/semi/unlimited, but instead trying to predict konami's actions regarding card restrictions. 74.78.1.129 (talk) 03:30, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Dark Magician of Chaos
I wanted to discuss this card briefly. It says in the forbidden list that it has a "Low" chance of coming back because Dimension Fusion is banned, but should that be changed to Very Low, or perhaps Never? There are many new loops, combos, and OTKs with this card now, especially with the release of the prophecy archetype, and anything that can special summon DMoC becomes an instant +1. I don't think it has a "Low" chance of coming back. Should it be changed?

Explain this new "loop" or "combo" for the Prophecy, as there's only ONE card that can create the DMoC loop (Dimension Fusion, and guess what? it's banned). It won't make Prophecies broken, in fact, it's going to HELP the deck further. So no, it has a low chance of being unbanned. 24.164.39.82 (talk) 21:36, February 22, 2013 (UTC) Anonymous 75.40.243.231 (talk) 13:37, February 3, 2013 (UTC)