Forum:September 2008 Lists

The new OCG Lists have been published, see our article September 2008 Lists. Not yet confirmed for the TCG. though, but the list is expected to be synced yet again. Discuss how you found the list, and what it does for you!--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 15:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I expected DAD and Judgment Dragon, but I'm surprised that Premature Burial is Forbidden...Limiting Cyber Dragon makes Cyber decks nearly impossible to play now...but they didn't do anything about GB's!!! Bluedog 17:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Why did they banned my DMoC =( Breaker coming back is at least some good news for my spellcaster deck. Why did they banned Premature and not Monster Reborn, that will always be a mystery. Reasoning limit just slowed down my Synchro deck a lot. Cyber Dragon limit not a big deal now that there is The Tricky. I was shocked to seem DaD and JD on semi limit, little more direct then usually. At least I only need one more JD now XD. Hopefully Test Tiger will get limited for TCG List. Bio 17:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * THEY DIDN'T TOUCH THE GLADIATOR BEASTS!!! WTF??? I understand DAD and JD, but the fact that they didn't do anything about the GBs is absolutely ludicrous. Banning Premature and keeping Monster Reborn isn't too bad, but I honestly thought it would be the other way around.  Bringing back Breaker is good for spellcasters, but banning DMoC was a little bit of a surprise to me.  I really hope Gyzarus is banned in the TCG, or we're all going to see an influx of only GBs at tournaments soon enough. Subcontinental86 17:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think Gladiator Beasts will be the new Dominating Format, although Lightsworns still seem quite powerful.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 18:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Seriously, why DMoC? This severely cripples my Spellcaster deck and even my DAD deck. Well DAD should have been semi-limited, as well as JD. Heck, I still think JD should be major limited, but whatever. At least Royal Decree is back at 3, I might add another one to my Spellcaster deck. I'll wait off on trading for some Test Tiger until I see the TCG list. BTW, GB's are already dominating the tournaments so maybe Gyzarus should be limited as well. Animedude3000 18:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Premature banned is because of Arms Hole. That card makes PB easily abusable, more than Monster Reborn. I was surprised, however, that Cyber Dragon got limited(probably cause of Synchros) yet Destiny Hero - Malicious got unlimited, and also that CCV wasnt touched(i think it isnt so much overused in the OCG, is it?). For GB, lets hope they do something about Test Tiger when the list comes to TCG.--Teba64 18:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Arms Hole is a very good reason to ban Premature Burial. Also without Disk Commander Monster Reborn is a bit less powerful. Cyber Dragon is very good for synchros I know, but The Tricky can be just as good. Test Tiger still isn’t out in Japan so they can’t put on there ban list. I wouldn’t be surprised if other TCG Exclusive Cards got on list besides Test Tiger. Probably a good idea to try and get some Breakers while they are still cheap, since once it is officially unbanned they going to rise a lot probably (again XD). DMoC was a bit too strong since Monster Reborn is back, so I expected him to get banned (still annoying). Bio 19:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't rule out Gladiator Beasts taking a hit just yet, Test Tiger wasn't listed in Japan because it's not officially out there yet, but is still feasible for a TCG Limitation.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 20:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * AARHG i feal like bombing konami for BANNING DMOC. After years and years of trying to get one i finnaly had it and now they banned it. They have gone crazy....--Romanovajax 21:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Banning DMoC was long overdue, it and Disk Commander being banned makes Monster Reborn near-useless now.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why cydra should be limited. In fact, it should be unlimited. No sjcs top decks play it any more.


 * ... And now my DDT is unplayable... when I saw DMoC and Disk Commander in the list I was really sad... well, they limited Breaker and that's good... Reasoning limited, no problem with me, I don't have it... Cyber Dragon limited, got only one... Premature Burial banned... less revival cards... Monster Gate limited, Konami hate DDT so much?... DAD and JD semi-limited? What about Gyzarus and Bestiari?... I hope UDE will hit GB... --Rein Weiss Ritter 08:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Limiting Reasoning and Monster Gate just killed Magical Explosion FTK decks, but what fun are those decks anyways? lol I feel bad for Six Samurai owners though. Eminentjonfrost 13:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Cyber Dragon worked amazing for Synchros. Thats probably why it is Limited. You could Special Summon Cyber Dragon then Normal Summopn a level 3 tuner and get any level 8 synchro you wanted.


 * Not that there are very many 8-star Synchros in the TCG yet. They must have been prepared for these changes the second the Synchros first came out in the OCG. Rogueduelist89 17:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I, like many of you, am severly IRKED that Dark Magician of Chaos is now banned. Sure, we'll se more of Breaker and less of Cyber Dragon, but is that really worth it? Chaos Mage was one of my best, and now these losers at Konami/Upperdeck/wherever these slave lists are being generated tell me I can't use it anymore! ARRRRGGHH!!! Rogueduelist89 17:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Premature was banned less for Arms Hole, and more for Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Boundary.

Spell Economics + CoSR equaled infinte SS from grave.

September 2008 Ban List
Man some people at Konami really messed up this time I mean not doing anything about Gladiator Beasts I mean come on.

Dark Magician of Chaos is a tragic thing, that was one of my best cards in my deck, Breaker is good but not nearly enough to make up.

What is the deal with Premature Burial that sucks.

It is good that they done something with CCV

well there is a new wave of synchros and psychic coming in, and might beat GB's i mean come on that stardust dragon has a nasty effect and also mental sphere archfiend

I think we have a consensus here about the Sept 08 List that DMoC is a huge loss (especially to my Rainbow Dark OTK) and that Gladiators are unfair because they were untouched. I mean they should AT LEAST limit Gyzarus or Test Tiger. Gladiators are the new dominating decks now and its going to get boring playing against 3 million Gladiator decks. DAD and Judgement I understand, especially Judgement for it is easier to bring him out. Monster Gate was a kick in my teeth for me and also Reasoning. Other than that I am happy about Breaker coming back (I never traded away my MFC Breaker =) hehe). -Maykite

Seriously
People, people! Stop complaining about Test Tiger. The only reason it isn't on the list is because it hasn't been released in Japan, and this is the JAPAN list, so I'm sure it'll get limited or something when the list is announced...in America. Bluedog 05:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

dude, this new list is crazy
dude! i am so pissed. aside from breakers return, spell caster decks seem to be even more ruined! dmoc! oh no! my dmoc! i just bought a pack of gold series like one or two months ago, got a dmoc, was really happy, and now its banned! now thats sad. i am also curious why prem burial got banned and not reborn, though i did saw some awesome combos. and yes, it is crazy that theres nothing to stop gb from dominating the game. 58.136.206.175 12:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

The reason that Premature Burial is banned and not Monster Reborn is because it the Japaneses list and they already have Arms Hole which we don't.Skavinger 15:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess Destiny Hero - Disk Commander was just too easily abused, but man that is going to put a severe problem in Destiny Hero decks. They got rid of most of the common revival cards but they still left in Monster Reborn, that's just...odd. Breaker keeps flip-flopping on the Banlist. Still, above all, I'm not too worried, because nothing every stays the same. Jinzo got Limited, now he's all the way back to Unlimited and even has upgraded forms! They'll keep tweaking everything. The reason why none of the Gladiator Beast cards have been Limited yet is because they all have access to each other--if you have even one in your deck, you can get it out no problem, so Limiting them wouldn't reduce their effectiveness much. Speedball 00:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Japan didn't touch gladiators because they arn't winning the OCG like they are in the TCG. My guess is upper deck will just either ban or limit test tiger which will eliminate a key card for the deck as drawing a test tiger can change duel in favour of the gladiators very easily as I used to run them. DMOC is a bit of a hit for my DAD deck but it doesn't absolutly need it, I will just replace Breaker for it.

so good
so nice for that! but how is that they dont touch GB cards?! so unfair.....124.105.37.149 10:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Props to Konami
For banning Premature Burial. It was one of the most problematic cards last (technically this) format in the OCG. At least it shows that Konami has some idea of what to do. --Pizzaman 17:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd say Limiting Arms Hole makes the Premature Burial-Brionac loop a lot harder to pull off.

I'm surprised by the Semi-Limited status of DAD and Judgment Dragon; I was expecting DAD to be Limited and Judgment Dragon not to be Limited but it looks like the Japanese are afraid of Judgment Dragon's powerful effect.

I'm completely surprised by how Gyzarus is untouched.

I Had a brief understanding of why Call of the Haunted was Forbidden, I mean you can use it during your opponents turn and no cost. But Why the Hell Make Premature Forbidden, It was one of the best reborning cards and It literally had no reason to be forbidden, I mean the worst I've seen with it is a first turn 3900 LP combo with Fire Trooper and Monster Reborn. And another thing, Why Make Premature Forbidden if you just going to keep monster reborn, No Cost, And either players Graveyard. Bullcrap

Cyber Dragon... Limited? What is that! It being semi-limited was no good at all either. But now, you can't even get Cyber End with Super Polymerization! But, true, he is awfully good for synchros. Cyber Dragon+Dark Resanator=Any lv 8 synchro on your first turn. And, we can also blame Cyber Dragons semi-limiting on Big Piece Golem. And Premature Burial? Come on! And I see Call of the Haunted is still down for forbidden. But, good news, Royal Decree is back at 3. Though I never used one, I was thinking about it. Nevertheless, this new list is awful.


 * Ok, people I'm here to answer questions and give my option, Cyber Dragon is limited because of lightsworns, limiting Test Tiger is not going to hurt Gladiator Beasts banning Gladiator Beast Gyzarus is going to hurt Gladiator Beasts, semi-limiting Judgment Dragon is not going to do anything because of Monster Reincarnation, and I think that Gladiator Beasts will be on the next banned list aftar this one, Dark Armed Dragon should not be semi-limited, it should stay at three, Dark Magician of Chaos is just broken and so is Destiny Hero - Disk Commander, I'm happy Breaker the Magical Warrior is coming back it will be fun. Dragon of chaos 03:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * People saying that Prem is an OK card have no idea of the actual Brionac loop. And remember, it's the actual card that makes it broken, not the support. Arms Hole is a perfectly balanced card without Prem. --Pizzaman 04:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I for one think that they shouldn't even ban gyzarus, there's ways to stop it from summoning besides Stardust dragon has a freakin awesome effect too, so people stop freakin complaining. Note what you all say is just your own opinion, doesn't mean it will happen

I dont believe my eyes, Dark Magician of Chaos is forbidden and Premature Burial also, while Monster Reborn is yet limited.

But even more absurd is the Royal Decree unlimited, I believed that it was limited!!

Therefore I think that the list is completely wrong!!!


 * Monster Reborn is still Limited because it is more fair than Premature Burial. It gives your opponent the chance to make a comeback late in the game by grabbing on of your stronger monsters.


 * This isn't our list... it's similar but.... we may find that Premature isn't forbidden on ours...--Tantara 12:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

A reasonable list
'''Note: This is just my opinion. You can comment it if you want."

First of all, I was a bit sad to see Premature Burial banned but now I realized why. Konami understands that there are too many revival cards that can be used. Call of the Haunted and Premature burial are one of the famous ones. However, as many people have said, Premature Burial was banned due to Arms Hole. Arms Hole is a card that has very limited side effects if used properly (discarding cards that were useful and get Premature Burial later to summon the discarded one. If the card on the top of the deck was a monster, it will produce a great effect.) Arms Hole can also get Equip Spells from the Graveyard too, making Premature Burial very reusable. Also, DDR should be banned as it is a revival equip card (Arms Hole can be used with it too). What if you use a remove deck and revive removed cards?

Due to the fact that there are less revival cards, Disk Guy should still be banned due to Angel's Lift. Three Angel's Lift can keep on reviving Disk Guy. Therefore it is banned.

DMOC? If DMOC is not banned then Saint Magician shouldn't be too. Konami did the right thing as DMOC has strong combos, attack and effect. Use it with DDR, it is definitely a strong card. It is great that DMOC is banned.

As for DAD and JD, these cards are supposed to be Semi-limited cause of the effect, not the summoning conditions. They can somehow become limited if they are too strong but they are not as bad as Cyber Dragon, which is one of the cards that shouldn't exist and I am happy that it is limited.

GB are truely monsters that shouldn't exists. They are all strong in effects and attack. I think that all GBs shouldn't be created in the first place. All GBs should be banned.

Crystal Beasts are unbelievably strong but I think Crystal Abundance should be banned as it has almost no side effects and can OTK the opponent easily.

Good news for people with Spellcasters, Breaker is back and it will be very annoying for sure.


 * Thanks for your opinion, just one thing about Glad beast if they ban Gladiator Beast Gyzarus Glads will be much harder to run, just think about it. -- Dragon of chaos 00:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If they don't ban Gyzarus, limiting Gladiator Beast Bestiari would help a lot. Honestly I've never really had a problem with Test Tiger, but I guess the rest of you have.  They at least need to do something so that GBs aren't the only viable tournament winning deck. Subcontinental86 00:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * They should limit Elemental Hero Prisma to. -- Dragon of chaos 03:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

TCG LIST
The official TCG list is up >> http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/news/strategy.aspx?aid=4658

Skavinger 03:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I only did a quick scan, but it looks like it's the exact same as the OCG list. Meaning that GBs are completely untouched.  Boo.  Subcontinental86 03:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Man did they screw up with the TCG list. It's the same freakin' thing as the OCG list! They didn't do a d*** thing about the GB's! Bluedog 03:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * They seriously didn't even touch GB's. Yet, they get rid of DMoC. I am very angry right now. Very, very angry. And somebody tell me why Breaker is broken. He's not even close to being broken. Animedude3000 03:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe that Yugimon-chairmanz0rz plays Gladiator Beasts. LoL. What a loser. Chris427 04:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh my god, can you people please stop complaining about Glad beast It's getting really annoying, I don't like being beat, but seriously stop winning. -- Dragon of chaos 14:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Does this list take effect immediately, or does it take effect September 1st?Goku9821 22:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It takes effect September 1st. -- Dragon of chaos 00:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes Allure of Darkness is back at 3.