User talk:Cheesedude

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Manga again

 * So. Should we or should we not be adding "/ Effect" in the Types of the manga monsters? xD
 * Also, in cases like Erebus. If the manga doesn't show its Tye/Attribute/DEF, should we list them anyway, based on the OCG card? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:37, September 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * We haven't in the past. Does the template properly display that if its added now? If so, I guess there's no reason not to. I can't speak to with Deltaneos' original intent was with that and well, I can't contact him since he's vanished.
 * Yes, just be careful not to assume anything for manga-only cards. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:42, September 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * It does.
 * Sure thing. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:24, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Monarchs
So Dark Advance exists. Is it time to merge "Monarch (series)" with "Monarch (archetype)" and make them a single article? I personally think they should be a single article even without Dark Advance, but anyway. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:22, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

Sylvio's dad has a first name
So yeah, that episode, Episode 8 - Bad Business, revealed a lot. But anyway, could anyone hear what Sylvio's dad said his full name was when he was shouting out window in his megaphone, specifically his first?

I think I hear "'Curio' Sawatari" as I play it over and over again, but I'm not sure.

Sometimes, I wish people would watch the live episodes with Closed Captions on. It helped getting the names of many a character from Zexal. Alas, I don't live in Canada, so I can only watch the episodes second hand and go off from what I hear.

Fun fact, and a bit of an Actor Allusion, Mr. Sawatari is voiced by Bonaparte's VA.J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 06:42, September 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep. On further inspection, I do indeed hear the first name of "Curio".J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 06:47, September 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * I can take a look after work today (and after watching episode 74), assuming its not been moved by then. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:14, September 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, I had a listen, and I'm not making it out. I thought he said something about being a candidate (which he was for mayor in the Japaense version if I'm remembering right). Maybe post on the episode's talk page, maybe we'll find someone who can check. We did have someone checking the closed captioning during ZEXAL, but apparently no one is for ARC-V yet Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:14, September 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * The megaphone does make it tricky to hear, but when he opens the window he says, "And, if you've forgotten, I'm Sylvio's father and mayoral candidate [Curio] Sawatari, and these tears I shed for my son are sincere!", before going on a rant. I am hearing "Curio", which would need to be added to his page's name, if so. Anyway, thanks for having a listen. How well would mentioning this on the talk page go. Also, sorry for getting back to you so late.J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 02:45, September 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm probably hearing the word "candidate" and having "Curio" slurred into it, I guess. Don't worry about the time, we all have lives, after all. And my schedule is so inconsistent its not as if I was able to get back to in a timely fashion earlier anyway. On that note, I'll give it another listen tomorrow and then move the article assuming I don't hear something else entirely this time. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:55, September 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, then. I made a mention on Mr. Sawatari's help page, too, not too long ago.J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 10:00, September 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, I gave it another listen six days later. Close enough? Seriously, sorry. I'll go ahead and move the article then. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:38, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Um...
Saeryukgkj has been doing this to the manga characters articles. I'm kinda hesitating because I would feel like a dick removing all those texts they've added, but... We don't really need the same information about design and etymology which we already have in the anime articles, do we...? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:14, September 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, the articles should be able to stand by themselves, so as a basic concept there's no problem with him adding that. I don't really think manga articles should be mentioning coloration though, considering its in black-and-white. Or at least not until we get cover art with that character. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:21, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Question Ep 74 ARC-V
Dennis has antique gear monsters. So does that make him an Obelisk Force member too? Denversapple (talk • contribs) 08:32, September 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * We haven't been given confirmation on that, no. He could be former Obelisk Force that was promoted or something. We'll see if they clarify next week. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:36, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Me again
Yo. So, this time, rather than a doubt, it's more like something I'd like to discuss with you. With the ARC-V manga being published in English a few days after the Japanese release, I'd really, really like to wait for the English releases before creating all articles and stuff here, to avoid a load of unnecessary work renaming all articles/replacing the names in the chapter-character articles/renaming the files/etc, like it's happening in this 2nd chapter. But. You must be as aware as me that the majority of Wikia contributors are usually desperate to add any little info that is leaked ASAP here, so while I wanted to avoid adding the articles here before the English release, several other editors did that instead so it was no use in the end (and heck, we got the English release two days after the JP one this time). Do you think there's anything we could do to avoid this? I know it's a long shot, but it really bothers me, and I thought it wouldn't hurt to exchange one or two words about it. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:45, September 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Short of salting (locking an article before its creation so that that title can't be used as a title until unlocked) all likely articles names, that's not really feasible. And well, as we know, there could be multiple entirely valid translations, so it would be borderline impossible to salt all of them.
 * In addition, I'm not sure I'd want to go that route either. Trust me, I know exactly what you mean with people jumping the gun on article creation, but I think for this particular wiki it just kind of has to be that way. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:39, September 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually, literally all info the contributors base themselves on is from NAC. I keep track of a few asian sources for news, and even one of them usually lists info from NAC (like, copy-pasted from our posts, lol). The moment Kahun suggested "Frost of the Monarchs" as the translation for a card in NAC, an editor created the article here with the name "Frost of the Monarchs". So it's quite easy to foresee the names they'll use - the ones we say on NAC.
 * Yeah, I guess so. I also considered perhaps just having a message asking editors not to do that, but this isn't a forum, we don't have a place to leave a message like that. Ugh, that sucks. I refuse to rename and replace all those file names every single month. D: LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:14, September 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, if salted the title NAC posters used, I'd wager we'd just get someone using an alternate translation. In that example, I wouldn't be surprised to see "Monarch Blizzard", "Frost Monarch Storm" or something along those lines used instead.
 * The only other real option is to just delete the info if its posted, but that would get very tiresome too. Also, you're not obligated to move them all yourself. Another user very easily could and heck, once the names are posted on NAC, I could move them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:20, September 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, guess there's just no way to avoid it. :/ Yeah, but I don't see many members doing that for the manga. And even if they do, it's still a load of work which could be easily avoided... But again, there's no helping it, so we'll just have to deal with it (I don't do that myself too often though, since it sure takes some time and it's pretty tiring, lol). :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:09, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

Action Field
Can I leave a note on the Action Field, after all, someone going to read the Japanese text and change it back. It contain the phrase 手札に加える which is "add x to your hand". WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 04:49, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure. What kind of note did you have in mind? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:03, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Something like this: Although the anime card was printed with the effect of "You can only add 1 Action Card to your hand", it doesn't work because it implies you can only add one during a Duel, when its one at a time. A combination of the real translation and your explanation why it will not work. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 05:24, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Where would the note be? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:28, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Usually on the bottom of the page, since the top is not available. Here, the test page "Plain Plane". WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 05:48, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry for meddling. I took a look at Plain Plane's lore, and I dunno, for me, it seems to be saying "you can only add 1 Action Card to your hand per time" or something along those lines. Japanese is very contextual, it doesn't always say stuff as explicitly as English does. I think it's more probable that the Japanese lore does mean "you can't grab 2 cards at once" than that it'd be mistaken like that. [/leaves flying] LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 14:13, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

No, it alright. I being thinking and I want to change it back, just need to translate it better. After all, it going to be wrong if I stated that over 50 Action Fields have the lore incorrect when it is correct and it is a chore to place the lore with this note when it is incorrect. From what I understand if the phrase しか with できない is pair up, then the phrase "You only can x" will appear. Example "Aquarium Lighting" with "You can only control 1 "x"", "Qlimate Change" with "You can only activate "x"", and "Gather Your Mind" with "You can only use "x"". Basically substitute activate (発動) or control (自分フィールド/表側表示で存在) with add "x" to your hand (手札に加える). You get the following "You can only add 1 Action Card to your hand". This is unique as Action Fields are the only one that stated "You can only add "x" to your hand". Beside the term "You can only have" is usually reserved for card that reduce a LP in a fixed amount like "Backs to the Wall", "Number S39: Utopia Prime" and "The Winged Dragon of Ra". WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 01:29, September 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, "shika" is used with a negative verb to say something "that's the only way to do it". For example, you may have heard "iku shika nai" in anime already; that means "I have to go" (iku = to go, nai = negative). It's like "there's no option but for me to go". The thing is that, like I said, Japanese is very, very contextual. It often isn't precise like English. It's more about "getting the idea of what it's trying to say" sometimes. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:49, September 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * I understand, I just saying that the line will always be "You can only" as a starting point. Then like I mention above, replace the middle word between しか and できない. I been thinking of how to change it, one was "You can only add to your hand 1 Action Card", but Genex Blastfan latest text place "to your hand" at the end. The only change I think should be is to remove ", but", since normally the "you" is always capital. So, the text should be "You can use Action Card. You can only add 1 Action Card to your hand". Continuous, Unclassified, not Condition, since like the effect is similar to Control only one. Particularly the part right here "prohibits you from having another card with its name on your side of the field." If I rearrange the word it will be "prohibits you from adding another card to your hand". WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 21:09, September 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you think it'd be too bad to adapt the lore rather than using a stric translation? Like, for example "You can only add 1 Action Card to your hand at each time" or something. 'Cause even with your suggestions, it still sounds misleading to me as if it were saying "You can only add 1 Action Card to your hand at all". I'm the manga guy though, I'm not used to anime/OCG wording, so just throwing some suggestions. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:18, September 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * I just using how the TCG adapt the term. I don't mind a loose translation as the only condition I would like to include is somewhere in the text to state it "add to your hand". To me, Action Duel state how many card can be in your hand while Action Field state how many card you can add to your hand. If both Action Duel/Action Field state how many card in your hand, then where is the part of how to add the card to your hand. I rewatch some ARC-V episodes, nowhere does it mention of how you can add the card to your hand, only the part where it mention the amount of card can be in your hand. Otherwise, the effect of "Cosmo Arrow" would not work, if Action Field state the "have in your hand", not "add to your hand". I don't mind the "at each time" being added, since it is confusing to go for the strict translation. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 22:09, September 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yep, your deduction looks quite correct. Though, what do you mean with Action Duel stating the number of cards in hand? I thought that the "Action Card rule" was an effect included in the Action Fields, not a spoken rule of Action Duels. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:11, September 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * In the first episode, Nico state the match will be played by the official Action Duel rules. During this episode, when Yuya activate "Wonder Balloons", get an Action Card to used the effect. The Sledgehammer remark "You can't have more than one Action Card in your hand at any given time". This statement is used as a reference toward the hand limitation for both the Action Duel and Action Card page. This statement is ambiguous and can be interpret as being of part of "Action Duel rule" or "Action Card rule", as Nico mention the match being by played the official rule. Sadly the first episode doesn't go in-depth with the "Action Duel rule". The term "Action Field" debut in episode 3 and the term "Action Card" debut in episode 1. So, the "Action Card rule" should be part of the "Action Duel rule". From episode 62, Action Duel is a "A duel that unfolds upon an Action Field, and makes use of Action Cards that scattered upon on the field". The order is a Action Field → Action Duel → Action Card. I have to apologize since the "Action Card rule" explain that you can pick up the card instead of adding the card from episode 56, Sylvio mention "When a duel begins they're scattered everywhere. Those are Action Cards. You can pick them up and use them to further your strategy". For now, I will go with your idea of "You can only add 1 Action Card to your hand at each time", then when the next Yu-Gi-Oh! games appears and feature "Action Field", the lore will change to that lore, unless the lore is different. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 22:09, September 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * But I understand all of that as being an "Action Duel rule" which is shown by the Action Fields. Like, not two separate things; they are an Action Duel rule, so all Action Fields include that rule. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:18, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Emperors again
So, what do you think? Maybe we just add a page "Emperor" or "Monarch (manga)" for the manga archetype? I don't really think it's correct to list those S/T as being part of "Monarch (series)". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 14:16, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, we do need to move the Monarch (series) page since its not a series anymore. The regular navbox will be retained, we'll add the manga archetype navbox to the page as well and add it to Category:Anime and manga only archetypes. Strictly for the manga pages, all of the cards in Monarch (archetype) group will also be in this one. But not for the TCG/OCG, because there is no support.
 * The lingering question is what the hell to call the page though. We don't want another separate page (we can redirect "Emperor" to it though.
 * So we move Monarch (series) to ?????????? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:01, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * My suggestions would be "Monarch (manga archetype)" or what Golden Key suggested, "Monarch (Tei)". I prefer the former, personally. There's also the option "Monarch (monster archetype)" and "Monarch (Spell/Trap archetype)" or something. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:45, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ugh, I hate when there's not a single option that doesn't look terrible. I'll see if I can get any final thoughts from the other admins adn just move it to...something. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:38, September 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, that actually sounds like something I'd go with at this point. "Monarch (something)". XD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:20, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Rollback Privilege
How would I go about getting the ability to Rollback edits (it IS possible to get without full admin-ship right?). I've seen many times where it would be useful to have. Like right now actually....

And sorry if I'm asking the wrong person, Honestly you're the only Admin I've ever really interacted with so i find it easiest to ask you about these things. Dread (talk • contribs) 23:21, October 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yu-Gi-Oh!:Requests for rollback (you may also be interested in Yu-Gi-Oh!:Requests for mover). No worries, those pages aren't exactly easy to find. In regards to right now though, what's going on? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:28, October 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * You can look at the top hits on recent activity for an easy link to the whole thing. Just happened
 * Basically a revert war with a new user constantly adding a full set list to the Legendary decks pages without any source, citing its "Obviously" the TCG version of the Memories of the Duel king from last year. despite the fact that that would require changing already-confirmed rarities.


 * Reverting a bunch of minor edits is annoying
 * Dread (talk • contribs) 23:33, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Page Move
I attempted to create the Structure Deck R: Revival of the Great Divine Dragon article, but was unable to do so because of some glitch with the wiki that prevented me from editing or saving anything at that particular article name. So I created the intended article under the name Structure Deck: Revival of the Great Divine Dragon. I was wondering if you could resolve the glitch and move the article to the proper name. Sorry for any inconvenience. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 10:39, October 9, 2015 (UTC))


 * Hmm. I'm not sure what the problem was, but it allowed me to move the article to the proper title, so fixed, I suppose. No worries, don't hesitate to ask. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:10, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Um
Do you find this necessary? The cards from D Team are exactly like the OCG ones, they're taken directly from the OCG... LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:10, October 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * I did talk to Dino about a template for them, but I wasn't actually aware it was done. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:39, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Movement Solo
You see it in her hand next to Re-Fusion when she activates Polymerization. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 19:24, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Performapals
Since a lot of other archetypes have the whole "what each member is based off of table", i've started working on one for Performapals, given the sheer amount of them. Could you give it a look over? Thanks! http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User:TheScarecrow14/Sandbox TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 09:06, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * The wikipedia link for La Panda doesn't work (I'm not sure what its meant to point to, I actually had no idea where the "La" part was coming from whatsoever). Stamp Turtle was Plusturtle in the OCG (I think the stamp had a plus sign on it in the anime, I can't recall). Looks good otherwise. Nice work! Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:06, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for meddling, I just wanted to add one thing. The Japanese name of Hip Hippo contains a pun. "Discover" is pronounced as "Disukaba" - and "kaba" means "hippo" in Japanese. All Japanese names either are portmanteaus or involve puns like that, and not all puns can be kept in English. I can give the list a more appropriate look once you post it to see if there's anything else you're missing (though to be honest, there are a few members which I still can't figure what's up with their names, like "Big Bite Turtle" xD). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:49, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, and in La Panda's case (Ra Panda in Japanese), "Rappa" means "trumpet", so there you go, another pun. Since there are cases like Hip Hippor's and Saultiger's where the JP and EN names have different puns/plays/stuff, maybe we could separate them or something? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:51, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry, haha. I found that "La" is a compositional note, so I linked it to that as it is themed around playing music. I'll leave the Japanese puns to you Kank as you'll definitely know what you're doing with them. I think I covered the majority of meanings in English, but I wouldn't know where to begin with the Japanese ones. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 15:10, October 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Your input about the musical note is not wrong. The initial meaning is what you said - the musical note + panda. And that forms the second meaning/pun of "trumpet". ;) And sure, I'll take a better look at it whenever I have time. In case of doubt, I've been adding most of the puns I get into the cards' individual Trivia pages, but I'll definetly take another look at the list since I may have missed some. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:55, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

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Hi. I'm just letting you know that I'm okay. I'm sorry if I had you worried and for leaving no notice.

In response to that link... I'm not that old! And I don't think I could get tired of you guys.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 12:59, October 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Welcome back! It's awesome seeing you again! =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:04, October 18, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, good. Glad to see you back. I'm very glad you're not dead! Get on Skype, I have like seventy-five questions for you . Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:37, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Anime-only Lists
Hey Cheesedude,

Sorry to bother you, but do you know what happened to the lists of anime-only cards on this page? I may be mistaken, but I recall there being lists of the anime cards from the specific anime series they appeared in. Thank you for your time, --ToonPegasus (talk • contribs) 01:22, October 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * You're not bothering me.
 * Those lists were based on the anime parameters used on pages using CardTable2, which there are now none of since we split them out in anime card pages with Anime card. I had forgotten about that page altogether myself. I'm discussing with the other admins what we'll be doing with that page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:48, October 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm always afraid of being a burden =). Okay then; thank you so much, --ToonPegasus (talk • contribs) 01:51, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Possible Missing Effect for "Nightmare's Chains"
Hey Cheesedude,

I believe that more information should be added to the lore of this card based on what happened in this episode. The reconstructed lore on "Nightmare's Chains" only lists the effect about the negation of opponent's Trap Cards, but it doesn't mention how the card also has the effect of selecting an opponent's monster and preventing it from attacking and changing its battle position (based on what happened to Yami's "Dark Magician"). I didn't want to add this without consulting with you first on the possibility that you may disagree. What do you think? --ToonPegasus (talk • contribs) 20:25, October 23, 2015 (UTC)