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I beleive crystal beast beast and six samurai decks will mAke a comeback The new OCG List for March 2009 have now been published. While the list has not been confirmed for the TCG though, it is expected to be synced yet again. Discuss how you first heard about the list, and how it's gonna change the metagame here! - Vyse24 19:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Banlist 2009
Dam dam daaaam!!!! DAD can Jizz in my Pants! It got pretty pummeled with limiting DAD and ET. Lightsworns haven't been touched, but they will be soon. No more TeleDADs xD RotA... I think it should be Semi, but lord. Well, time to make more room for BG Controls! Awesone list. srsly.

Finally
Well, at least TeleDAD decks will be easy to beat now, but so far Lightsworns are still safe (damn), Gladiator Decks small effect. Zombies are a bit hurt. Cyber Dragon still limited to 1?!? Why can't it be back to 2?

WHAT???
why is cyber dragon still at one? it should be two and limiting plague spreader wtf?

Omg Goyo guardin i have 3 on my deck

Plague... NO!!!!
I run 2 plagues and 2 COSF and my deck is fine (ok it's even a bit broken) (by the way can someone tell me of an useful tuner to replace plague, y run 3 junk synchrons) I'm sure zombies are going to be pissed off

Killbolt 23:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Booyaka!
DAD got Limited lol. And Twin-Headed Behemoth is Unlimited!!! ^^ Uh so yeah that's all... Nice to see a bit of Chaos returning to the game, though. --Bluedog (Talk) 00:27, 18 February 2009 (UT
 * Bluedog, just so you know...THB may be great, but you can only use the effect once in a duel...only once for all three...GO CYBERDARKS! Dmaster (Talk • Contribs • Count) 01:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that. But it's still useful anyway. --Bluedog (Talk) 01:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Aw.
I know this guy who payed 700$ to build tele-dad and now his deck is ruined!

U can´t C me!
Where is Honest? And Elemental Hero Absolute Zero? I dont know what criterie was be used to do this list!!!

PS: Good for Chaos Sorcerer n_n, Bad for Cyber Dragons T_T

i like it kinda
i run a wind deck so to see raiza as two is great news for me but im disipointed by a couple of things. i believe judgemnt dragon should be limited to 1 and wulf should be limited to two at least. i have lost the last round of tournament so many times just because of bloody wulf. sad about cyber dragon since hes not even that amazing since more people run tricky and stuff. chaos is back o yeah.. plaguespreader zombie thats what you get for being whack

I hope
I hope in the TCG that they keep Raiza at 1 put phoenix wing wind blast at 2 and do not move chaos sorcerer. Other then that the list is fine.

Meh
They killed zombies by limiting mezuki. Thanks a lot konami. Let the reign of light lords begin. --72.198.91.42 03:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Raizas back at two. we may see pc monarchs all over again. gb's have been hurt a little. gyzarus plays are slowed, but hopefully the three gb cards coming out in crimson crisis make up for it. zombies are dead. teledad. i saw that coming but did plague have to get limited? goyo as well! it took me forever to get my second goyo.exodia decks playing manticore of darkness may become dominant unless we start main decking three crows.gadgets may see more play with ultimate offering at two and i dont understand why mind crush is at two. it should have been dustshoot at two.

It's a Good Thing I'm not running Tele-DaD anymore..
At least it didn't slow down my Lightsworns that much... Well at least now I can use Chaos Sorcerer, and Raiza's back at 2!! Yay!!=) but it's too bad for the zombies, Mezuki's been cut down to 1 and also Plaguespreader!!Whew!! E-Tele should've been semi-limited though. Lastly, COSR, and RotA? Why limited? I understand COSR, but why the other??UltraSynchron 05:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

What the...?
DaD being Limited, I agree, but not doing the same to JD? That's just wrong. You play one, clear the field, summon a second one, and you're basically screwed. And UO being Semi'll make my Ancient Gear deck a bit faster. Woo! And it was about time they did something about the GBs. Now teleDaDs will be a little screwed. n_n. And now, I can make a proper Exodia deck with the Manticore loop; of course, I'll have to watch out for those Crows... --Special:Contributions/World King 6:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

DDraw?
Why? plz tell!

Nice list
I like this list except for a pair of things: Jugment Dragon at two and Honest still unlimited. O_O. 85.48.43.36 11:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Judgment Dragon isn't splashable (but very deadly) and Honest - well they've semi-ed Mind Crush so at least you got something against it >>

Some rationale.
Keep in mind, people, that this is the OCG Banlist we're talking about. Glad Beasts aren't touched too badly because they've thrown out some answers to Glad Beasts in Raging Battle, which also has recently launched. One of the better known anti-GB weapons would be GB Hunter, or Core Chimail Ice. Lightsworns are being countered with the Allies of Justice, though this faction isn't of much effectiveness considering that they're Duel Terminal cards.

Several things I can live with - Malicious being down to 2, which is where it should belong, Zombie Carrier at 1, though everyone probably expected that. CoSR's limiting is fine by me, with the Manticores coming back to 3 the loop's bound to be abused to no end. Also, with the decks crawling to the top being Zombies and Plants, I can see why. Twin-Headed Behemoth's come back to give the Dragon decks a better shot, I bet, now with Trident Dragon and all. D-Draw and Allure are fine by me being semi'd, I kinda knew that was coming. No problems with Goyou and Brionac at 1, I only have one copy of each anyway.

No particular idea why RotA was limited, I was pretty fine with it at Semi'd, but maybe with the various warriors across the decks, it can get pretty broken. Besides, with Mind Crush Semi'd, it should be easier to get them to drop whatever they just dug out of their deck. Chaos Sorceror was a bit of a surprise, too, but seeing how people were looking back and realizing that this guy isn't that broken, it's not bad having him back for the moment.

Just my two cents on the new changes. --Gadjiltron 14:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Its the time for plants!
I'm so glad that TeleDAD/Synchro DAD is practically gone but the zombie deck that i was making will probably not happen now because of the Mezuki, Plaguespreader and COSR limits with Goblin Zombie at semi-limit. Zombies were hurt far too much compared to lightsworns (they're far too agressive)

However, I've been constructing a plant deck that the new ban list has not touched the sheer broken amount of cards e.g.lonefire, gigaplant etc. Shame about goyo as it shouldn't have been that harsh on him. I would really like plants to take over the next format because they have certainly been an under rated deck type when there are so many possibilities to explore with them.

So overall, it was generally quite fair this banlist, just that lightsworn, gadgets?, monarch will come strong with the many advantages over other deck types these days. People spending huge amounts of money on decks will now stop gradually and people might finally bring back some innovation to this teledad format (just count the endless stream of Shonen Jump champions to see how broken the deck was) but due to restrictions on malicious, allure, destiny draw???, emergency teleport etc. this format might finally bring some fun back into yu-gi-oh once again.

P.S Chaos Sorcerer was never as broken as dad with the support and sheer draw power to support it, him being brought back from the forbidden is beneficial to the game.

Favoritism.
Ok that list is way too biased towards these deck types: Exodia, Lightsworn (And other related decks such as Lightsworn DaD), And Spellcasters.

However if it is true the top of the metagame probably will be either lightsworn - DaD or Spellcasters. Due to the rigged strategies you can use for spellcasters to gain a huge advantage because of the secret village. Its one of the deck types I am planning but either way any deck I will make will need two allures, no problems there. But...the list is still very controversial, I mean chaos sorcerer coming back? Thats just too crazy.--Takuma. 02:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

um okay....
why was reinforcement of the army limited? it was an essential piece to my six samurai deck! :(

The List
This list is actually quite useful: Goyo at 3 was just too nasty. It could ram stardust and thought ruler and then snatch it away in one turn x.X Plaguespreader, well obviously it was going to be touched. it was just too good in lightsworns, and mezuki down to one does get rid of the copycats and ensure originality.

Chaos sorcerer - a good addition to any deck i beleive. He came back at the right time, ready to kick the synchros right where they hurt. Can't be negated by stardust, but not extremely deadly (wrath, bottomless, etc).

DaD to one is perfect. 2 DaD's was just awful, it just cries lack of originality. With DaD at 1, we can focus on other strategies, like sky scourges or other deck archetypes instead of spending tons on 2 dark armed dragons.

Judgment - Avoiding the banhammer. Dosen't really matter. he is a threat, but not a really big threat. Yeah he blows the field up. He blows up BOTH fields. thats why he hasn't been touched and stays at semi. DaD wrecks your opponents field whilst keeping cards on your field present. Whats worse, 3 wulfs on the field, one lumina and a judgment, then judgment blows the field up and attacks or a field of dark monsters, and then DaD gets dropped and blows up your only defense, then swinging with every monster on the field? i say the latter.

D-Draw, Malicious and teleport: FINALLY! no teleport dark armed decks. This will hurt the people who used to go to shonen jumps, who wasted all their money on d-draws, mali's, teleports and such....shame on you! You knew that the deck was going to fry. Should of spent in on gold sarcs or a lightsworn deck :D

The banlist altogether: Brilliant. If more changes are to come, then tribe-infecting shall come back. Obviously because stardust is here and untouched by the banlist :D

nooo!!
i was supposed to make a zombie DAD deck but not I'm having second thoughts because mezuki DAD and plague are now limited. And now I run a synchro deck. Now that goyo and emergency teleport now limited to 1 i will have a hard time synchro summoning. I hope in the next list emergency teleport will become semi-limited. O.o

I think this is a great list.
Basically, I think this list breaks down to what the Japanese believed would refresh the game and get a lot of cards that are overused put aside, and get a lot of unused, unappreciated cards the spotlight. I think this will stretch the minds of duelist to think outside the metagame box. I like the fact that DAD is at 1. It basically says "He is still here, don't cry but you only get to see him for 5 seconds." It makes TeleDAD not so DAD. Not to mention Teleport got screwed, too. I like this list more and more. Chaos Sorcerer is back! Spellcasters rejoice! I think Konami is definitely trying to get this game going in a different direction. I think that Chaos Sorcerer is exactly what we need to solidify an up and coming metagame sensation. It makes Secret Village easier to play in the mid and late game. Drop a Secret Village, remove a Copycat and an Apprentice Magician, and start spinning monster into the D.D. World. I don't know why GB Bestiari got hit. He was perfect. There are some cards in Yu-Gi-Oh! that naturally control themselves. Cards that make the duelist say "no more than 2" So maybe Konami wants to see a strong comeback for GBeasts but not the typical "2nd turn Heraklinos" that we are used to seeing. I think Zombies got hit basically as hard as TeleDad. With Mezuki, Plaguespreader, and Card of Safe Return all taking hits, it makes a zombie deck a bit more challenging for zombie duelists. Not to mention if you gave up your kidneys for your 3 copies of Mezuki, you might want to find the guy you sold them to. I think Zombie duelist need to sit down with a list of zombie cards and support and really hammer out a good deck. Destiny Draw and Allure are definitely good but maybe the fact that they are both Semi will make them better. You never know... Book of Moon is a bit surprising... I wonder why it got unlimited? Any Ideas? I think Beast and Beast-Warrior decks are going to see a lot of play, seeing as Green Baboon and Manticore both got raised one category. With 2 Greens, and 3 Manticores, Berserk Gorilla may been seen more often. Twin-Headed Behemoth maybe a key to the CyberDarks returning but then again with the ruling on his effect being so nasty, I don't think he may get much use... then again a level 3 dragon is a level 3 dragon no matter what. And that's my break down. --LukeJohn17 14:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the way you think man you don't seem like the type of person that uses run of the mill decks (DAD, Lightsworn etc). I agree with quite a lot of what your saying.
 * I think it is a great thing that DAD got limited (and yes I have him and I did use him but I got bored of him). and Teleport as well.
 * Glad Beasts get hit also thanks to Bestiari getting limited, they should have been hit much earlier.
 * Another deck type I am sick of looking at Zombies get hit, lucky for me because I just traded Mezuki.
 * Finally Chaos Sorceror gets brought back but alas still no DMOC.
 * Where the hell is Cyber Dragon number 2

Great List
In my opinion, this is probably the best list ever made. It's main purpose was to eliminate the TeleDad deck idea, limit the use of super splashable cards like Mezuki, Plaguespreader Zombie, and Goyo Guardian, and possibly to bring in more than twice as many deck types into the meta-game than there was before. The most common deck running before this list were TeleDad (obviously), Lightsworns, Gladiator Beasts, Zombie Decks, and a couple of Hybrid Decks like TeleZombie and Lightsworn Zombie. To me, TeleDad got hit the hardest with Zombies following right behind it. Gladiator Beasts didn't get hit too hard, but it limits the use of Gladiator Beast Gyzarus. Lightsworns didn't get touched at all (with the exception of Lightsworn/Zombie Hybrid Decks), but to me they're not that big of a threat. Some other decks that are not as well known also took a hit or two, such as Destiny Hero Decks, Warrior Decks, and Psychic decks.

I can see a number of decks making a huge comeback.

Lightsworn Decks

 * Still a meta-game favorite and a possible threat. With Judgment Dragon still running in two's, it will be hard to keep cards on the field.

Gladiator Beasts

 * Even though Gladiator Beast Bestiari got limited, this deck is still very playable and even deadly. Remember, Gladiator Beast Heraklinos is still roaming around looking for spells and traps to negate.

Beast Decks

 * Manticore of Darkness AND Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest all got boosted? Thats an obvious clue that Beast-Down Decks are going to leave a few claw marks in todays meta-game. They might even be splashable in Gladiator Beast Decks.

Plant Decks

 * This deck was decent even while the "TeleDad Format" dominated the meta-game scene. With that and Zombie Decks out of the way, this deck has a chance to become the new super swarm deck.

Monarch Control Deck

 * uuummm... can we say "Raiza the Storm Monarch for the win"? I mean, come on, Monarchs have a reputation for being the Kings of Control. For some odd reason, I have a feeling that Twin-Headed Behemoth will see some play in these decks...

Gadget Decks

 * hhhmmm, lets see. Ultimate Offering can be run in two's and all three Gadgets come in groups of three apiece. Yep, I think it's safe to say that Gadget Monsters might see some kind of play in some sort of deck. Since Tribute summons might be more common (A.K.A., Monarch Decks), Fog King might actually become useful in this kind of build...

Dragon Decks

 * The ban list has nothing to do with this deck type, but a good number of support cards for Dragons have been coming out lately, and Raging Battle has been coming out with a few nice cards for Dragon monsters, plus it's hard to argue with the fact that the best Synchro Monsters in the game are Dragon Types. Plus a new deck type called Hopeless Dragon looks promising. Who knows, maybe the most popular build from the very begining of Yu-Gi-Oh will be resurected in todays format.

Chaos Deck

 * This is my own opinion, but I think this build might actually become a solid deck option, particulaly with the Sky Scourges. Since Chaos Sorcerer has been unbanned, it can go side by side with Sky Scourge Norleras and Sky Scourge Enrise. I use a deck based around the Sky Scourges, and it's beaten TeleDad Decks plenty of times. The amount of draw power for this deck is also considerable since Allure of Darkness and a good number of light fairy and dark fiend monsters that have draw effects are usable here. But agian, this just my own personal opinion...

Cyberdark Decks

 * Yay for Twin-Headed Behemoth coming off the list for the first time in years! To tell you the truth, I'm not even sure why this card was limited at all, somone help me out here! lol! Anyway, since Twin-Headed Behemoth can be run in three's now, Cyberdark cards can feed off of them even when they're effects have already been used. Not a bad deck choice if you ask me.

Spellcaster Decks

 * The new Structure Deck is coming out very soon, and I have a feeling that people will seriously try to abuse Secret Village of the Spellcasters and a ton of other Spellcaster support. Chaos Sorcerer is also a Spellcaster, so that will give the deck a small boost.

There you have it. Thats really all I have to say about the new list. --Sky Scourge God 18:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. This should be a very fun format.
Wow! Well, this was almost what I dreamed about for this list. I'm glad because now, if I go to a tournament of 200 people, 150 won't be running the same thing. Well done to Konami, though there are a couple of things I'd like to touch on:

Dark Armed Dragon- I can see why they limited this with Blackwings coming out, but, contrary to the belief of many, I don't think this needed to go anywhere. The issue with TeleDAD (or at least for me) was the fact that they could easily bring out 3 synchros in a turn, not that they could drop a DAD or two, and if you had a good COMPETITIVE deck that you used against a TeleDAD, the synchro power should've scared you a lot more than DAD itself. They semi-limited Allure, Malicious, AND D-Draw (which didn't need to be limited, but they did it anyway.)Yes, DAD CAN be used in Zombies, but after seeing the limits to Plaguespreader, Mezuki, and CoSR, I could care less about them, and again, if you have a competitive deck with a decent side-deck, they shouldn't scare you either. Oh yeah, and about that LS DAD crap- Yeah, it's good.....when you draw well. Otherwise? Very beatable, and if you disagree with that, either you're in denial, or you don't know the game as well as you think you do. I kind of wish they had hit either JD or Honest instead, but you can't have EVERYTHING you want, can you?

Gladiator Beast Bestiari- YES!!! I absolutely, 100% LOVE this. The weird part about this is that I actually MAIN Glads, yet I'm happy that Bestiari is at 1. Why? A couple of reasons. 1) I only main 1 to begin with. 2) All those "GB users" who run (soon to be "ran") 3 bestiaris in their garbage Prisma builds are gonna need to think twice about that. I wonder how those people will live now that they actually have to play GBs intelligently and cannot rely completely on just mindlessly spamming Gyzarus all the time. Yes, they can still use Prisma and attempt a 1st turn Herak, but it's oh SO MUCH more dangerous now. (If you haven't guessed, I don't run the prisma build. I run what I like to call Glad Counter, and for all those who think that a deck with only 1 Bestiari and no Prisma could possibly do well in this soon-to-be-expired format, I won a regional and topped at another with this deck, so shove it). 3) They limited Besti instead of Test Tiger.

RotA- Wait....wait...WHAT?! ROTA?! Why??? To slow down E-Heroes, which will NEVER be a top tier deck??? (though a well built E-hero is something to contend with- I've experienced this firsthand) What in the WORLD were they trying to accomplish by limiting this. You mean to tell me they felt it was necessary to LIMIT RotA, yet they SEMI-LIMIT Gold Sarcophagus?! As my friends and I like to say, this is an "All your base are belong to us" moment (If you don't know what I'm talking about, youtube Zero Wing).

I like this list a lot. Konami is obviously interested in promoting a slightly-slower gameplay as well as more deck originality. LS is untouched, yes, but it has it's weaknesses (as does everything?). I'm more concerned about Tempest Magician with the new Spellcaster field coming out in Spellcaster's Command, Magical City Whatever-it's-called. That will be beastly, as will Arcanite Magician. My friend, has been using spellcasters forever now, did point out a very important fact: Most spellcasters have an even level (Aka Dark Magician Girl is level 6, Night's End Sorcerer is level 2, Apprentice Magician is level 2, etc.). But hey, there are definitely ways around that, as there are ways around everything in the game of Yugioh, where the smallest differences in text between two cards translate into a wide variety of loopholes that can be utilized.--Phoenix25 03:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Phoenix25

dad got picked apart
lol i feel bad for all those ppl who spend 1000+ on the teledad deck, but u saw this coming, the bestiari at one is weird and lightsworn is given a chance to top, but remeber last list when ppl said gladiators would dominate, and they one the first tourney and flopped the rest, just sayin anything cud happen. Plants, spellcasters shud see a boost and blackwing is lookin pretty good in the next 2 sets

Nice, except...
Why did ROTA get limited? Thats just dumb. Also the limiting of plaguespreader really hurt zombies.

monarchs are bakkkk
well hi i play monarchs and b4 i switched to macro monarch i played monarch oppression. but since the new list limited ROTA and semi-limited i tink oppression monarch is gonna get a HUGE comeback. Raiza - well raiza FTW Chaos Sorcerer - really owns in this deck so yea watch out for monarchs muahahahahhahaah!!!

right now we have nothing to worry about
ok, like the head says nothing to worry about right now this is only the ocg. so yeah we still have to wait for our tcg to come out. hopefully.

Dude
Now the anti Metagame is probably gonna be like a Removed from play deck and I hate whaT THEY DID to Reinforcement of the Army I have a Warrior toolbox deck. THey also pimped slapped Teledad, and Lightsworns have less playability due to 2 Judgment Dragon and 1 plaguespreader Zombie. Monarchs, plants, and OTK deck went up in the metagame, but seriosly they got my Gladiator Beast Bestiari to 1. SOmeone told me the Dark Magician of Chaos is not going to be banned.They should limit Celestia, Lightsworn Angel. Seriosly though they took a S*** on Teledad decks. Basically Konami or Upper Deck International just takes a dump on the Metagame so a new Metagame will be made then in 6 months when the next ban list is made they will take a bomb on it so it ends up being an endless cycle. ~Vanharo

Banlist
i'm quite glad with this ban list the way people spent sooo much money on teledad and gladiators made running cheaper decks pointless now theirs more flavor to game. Rota was really annoying just simple of the spammability of it. 2 rotas in a turn quite annoying. i think thats why they put it there. i also think that come next pack series aliens gonna be much funner. :)

Ru CRAZY?!?!?!?!?!?!
Dude, ROTA is not that bad! comn, every other Archetype has their own ROTA, so they can do the same with their own copies. ROTA is just as broken as Gladiator Proving Ground, E - Emeregency Call, E-Teleport, & Charge of the Light Brigade. This banlist is horrible, even though some of it may not apply to us...

E-Dizzle 04:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Reinforcement of the Army was limited to curb the potential of Assault Mode decks. While E - Emergency Call is limited to Elemental Heroes; RotA could grab most Elemental Heroes, Dark Grepher, and/or Armageddon Knight to throw Destiny Hero - Malicious or Plaguespreader Zombie in the Graveyard. Any deck running those two could use RotA. Heck, my Zombie Synchro deck used 1 RotA just for those reasons. Charge of the Light Brigade should be at least semi-limited if not limited. -- Sub 05:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

No 5DS limited yet?
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but this Double Summon card just wrecks havoc especially when used with GB. Turn 1 Gyzarus or Turn 2 Heraklinos anyone?

I think it should be semi-limited. There's no real drawback of playing Double Summon. The only real thing that doesn't make the card broken is that you can only activate this card once, but still, once is enough.

Anyone with me?

Its About time
Well, seems we finally get a good banlist. RoTA and E Tele are a bit of sad losses, but most decks can find away around them. Kinda sad how zombie and DaD got killed but LS didn’t get a single hit (and I run LS), besides CoSR and Plague (most people only use 1 or 2 plague and CoSR is optional). Seems like the new top decks will be Lightsworn, Gladiators, Monarch, Spellcasters and maybe Plants. Without RoTA and E Tele I doubt you can Synchro fast enough for Assault Modes to make a huge impact. I think its great how nothing got forbidden and 1 card even got off forbidden, Chaos Sorcerer ftw! Book of Moon at 3 means Synchro will be taking even more of a hit (can’t sych facedown) and with Baboon at 2 and manticore at 3 (even with CoRS at 1) Baboon decks will probably become lot more common, maybe a skill drain version with the upcoming Barbaros like I use to play? =P Lastly we have Goyo at one, which is good but not sure how fast people will be syncing now without good 6 stars. Since the TCG list isn’t confirmed (by konami or UD? I lost track of who is in charge of that) we still may have charge of the light brigade limited, since I am pretty sure its not out on OCG yet. Guess we just gotta wait a bit. Bio 13:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

LIST IS NOT OFFICIAL!!!!!!
1. This is the list for the OCG. It is not official

2. Why would they hurt zombies so much and not even touch lightsworns?

3. When has a zombie deck ever placed in a national tournament before?

4. Even with DAD limited to 1 it is still going to be the best.


 * That doesn't mean it's not official. It just means it's not part of the TCG. It's official for the OCG (Whose O stands for official). The fact that it hasn't been confirmed for the TCG is adressed in the intro at the start of the forum. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:53, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

=Yeth= THey should Limited Wulf, Lightsworn Beast to 2 and Celestia, Lightsworn Angel also 1 JD because that card is as good as Sky Scourge Norleras and They need to limit monarchs like Caius the Shadow Monarch Plants and spellcasters wise ise because of the new structure deck and some say the Crimson Crisis will have potential for a future threat or some alien will go up cuz of the new synchro ~ User:Vanharo


 * I agree with you saying Wulf, Lightsworn Beast and Celestia, Lightsworn Angel having to be limited because it's way too easy to drop a Wulf and Celestia's effect is just plain broken. Judgment Dragon on the other hand probably didn't deserve as much attention as most other cards did. It's pretty easy nowadays to counter agianst that thing, plus the opponent might mill it from they're deck since Lightsworns are natorious for milling themselves. As for Judgment Dragon being as good as Sky Scourge Norleras, I highly disagree. Sky Scourge Norleras is infinitly more powerful than even three Judgment Dragons cause it gives you instant card advantage for only 1000 life points, whereas Judgment Dragon only gives you field advantage for the same cost while leaving your opponents hand intact. Because of that, it's much easier to get rid of it since the opponent still has a hand to play with. Most Lightsworn Decks can't top deck very well after someone drops a Sky Scourge Norleras, unless of course they top another Judgment Dragon, although thats hard with only two running in a deck. --Sky Scourge God 05:59, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Um, you serious? Wulf and Celestia? Nothing has to happen to either of them. Yeah, it's easy for LS users to get Celestia out especially because of Wulf, and an instant 2100 isn't great, but there are too many ways to either A) Counter or B) kill it next turn. They are not the problem with LS, and neither is Judgment. JD is a strong card, but as mentioned before, there are ways to counter it, and even ways to stop it from coming out in the first place. What makes LS more deadly than anything is Honest. Not only can Honest be used in LS, but Honest can be used in any deck that runs a good amount of Light monsters. Whether they will do anything to Lightsworn is the question, simply because there are too many ways to stop LS. I'm kind of hoping that, once the new Spellcaster Structure deck comes out, they will limit Tempest Magician, because TM combined with the Magical City field spell in the Spellcaster deck is just shouting OTK. Even without that, I've seen about 4 or 5 decks built for a Tempest Magician OTK, and half the time, it works, and 20% of the time it works in 3 or less turns. They won't limit Tempest until they see that it is a problem, if indeed it becomes a problem, which it probably will.--Phoenix25 06:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)Phoenix25


 * You know what a good counter measure agianst all of these kinds of decks are, Waboku. It practically says "this cards buys you and your monsters an extra turn, except agianst special win condition cards". I don't know why people don't run this card, it eliminates the chances of getting OTK'd, plus it saves monsters most of the time. With all of these decks capable of landing an OTK in three or less turns, Waboku could come in great handy, plus if you know the opponent has a hand that screams "you will die!", Waboku can buy you the turn neccesary to make a counter attack. On top of all that, it's chainable to anything thats not a counter trap card, so it becomes useful agianst Judgment Dragon and other popular cards that constantly destroy stuff. --Sky Scourge God 06:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm surprised...
I expected something as broken as Stardust to be at least limited. I guess they still want people to spend money on them since it is so sought after, and then limit/forbid them the next list. I would also expect Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon to be limited as well, but I guess not many people have it at the moment, much less 3 copies. Oh well, the only thing that annoyed me was limiting Reinforcements of the Army (which demolished my Ben-Kei deck)... at least ultimate offering changing allows my experimental Black Ptera OTK deck to improve. In anycase, as much as I love using Stardust, I seriously hope they limit (or ban) it next list... same to Dark Armed Dragon (which I hope they ban).


 * Dude, they will NEVER, in their right mind, limit Stardust Dragon. It is not as broken as you think, especially since there are at least 5 synchros right now that can run it over (ie Goyo, Thought Ruler, etc.) Yes, it can negate effects that destroy cards....great. Now how about trying to negate compulsory, phoenix wing, solemn, oppression, black horn, shrink, caius, raiza, D-Prison, Macro, D-fissure etc. What is broken is Stardust Dragon Assault Mode, but it's an assault mode, and I don't see how they would NEED to limit SDAM seeing as how it takes a little bit of effort to bring out, and there are still ways to stop it. Both of very good cards, but neither will be limitted, unless the people at Konami have an extreme mental lapse or something.Dark Armed dragon does not need to be banned. Yes, the decks that use it can control their grave so they can summon it quite easily, and Dark Grepher sure helps expedite the process if you have both DAD and Grepher in your first hand, but it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too easy to stop/kill/hinder. There are so many simple, common cards that can mess DAD up, one being Compulsory. Anyone who is having a huge problem stopping DAD have issues in their decks that they need to work out, because their are too many cards that stop other things that stop DAD as well. Again, I'm not sitting here saying it's a terrible card. It's a great card. Could they ban it? Yes, but they don't need to.--Phoenix25 06:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)Phoenix25

Stardust isn't broken...
There are so many ways around stardust...so it is not broken at all, Compulse, Dark Core, Caius, DD crow, Dimensional Fissure, goyo, Gaia Knight (Yes freaking gaia knight works), Solemn, shrink, Mirror Wall, Macro cosmos, Chaos Sorcerer (WHY UNBAN IT WHY?! So rigged.), Gandora (takes out of play), Black Horn of heaven, Gorz (More attack, fairly easy to get out), GB Reitiari, and the list goes on and on. So stardust is definitely NOT broken at all. Now assault mode stardust is a maybe...though I question of how fast they can get assault modes out with zombie synchro dead and tele dad dead, those were the two fastest Synchro type decks.--Takuma. 06:28, 23 February 2009

Gandora will not kill stardust, startdust would just negate, it says it DESTROYS before removing

Love it.
Simply love it. This banned list slaps teleDAD and zombies in the face, which i feel bad about for the people that paid half of their life savings on 3 mezukis. i'm a little confused about how lightsworn remained absolutely untouched, and this is the chance for spellcasters and others to take the metagame lead. This next few months should be quite interesting.

Banlist Confirmed for TCG
http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/limited/

I am pissed that my ROTA has been limited it really screws with my syncro deck, but now its macro monarch with a bit of choas mixed in.

HONESTLY
Honest should have been limited! - HorusRa 03:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I disagree :)StevenF5 03:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I dont. Honest is SO ANNOYING. And then you have those damned LS running around. JetKamakura 18:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

People are retarded
For all you people who think Judgment Dragon should get limited "GET OVER IT" He is deck specific unlike Dark Armed Dragon which goes in any dark deck.

Disgusted
Why is it that they are going to limit the card Reinforcement of the Army, it is just an average card. I'm so disgusted with it. Also Cyber Dragon why are they placing it in here well it's effect can only be activated when you have no monster in your field and there is a monster on your opponent's side of the field. Why is it that they did not limit Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon, I guess a player may only wish to add less than 3 copies of this card into his deck. About Honest, they're not going to limit it yet because it is one of the rarest card. Elemental Hero Absolute Zero is not limited, if that card doesn't even obliging specific cards for it to be Fusion summoned that card must be Semi-Limited. Karma Cut, this card should be Semi-Limited. Hate Buster should be Limited. Trap of Darkness should be Semi-Limited, it can be a very useful card to Pyschic Deck. Why are they limiting Treeborn Frog. It must be only semi-limited, this card is just good for synchro deck and it only has 100 ATK points. Some cards in the Lightsworn Deck must be Limited, some cards have nearly same effect with Graceful Charity. Why did they Limit one card in the Gladiator Beast Deck. They must Semi-Limit the card Scrap-Metal Iron Scarecrow. What about Emergency Teleport that card is just one of the few support cards in the Psychic deck. Also the card Chaos Burst they must semi-limit this card.

Well, that is just my comments don't take it seriously. Kirho 04:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Unknown
Why did they forbid players to use "Premature Burial" and only Limiting Monster Reborn, hmm sounds suspicious.Kirho 05:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Premature Burial was banned because of its abuse with Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Boundary. Premature can't come back until Brionac is banned, but he won't get banned because they killed zombies. --Sub (Talk | Contribs) 05:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm kind of pissed about Premature Burial being banned too, because it is more useful than Reborn in my Ben Kei deck (same to Call of the Haunted), but yeah, that other guy is right.

WTF???!!!?!?!?!
Why did they limit goyo?!?!?!? I know its a bit broken but it still takes a little effort to synch it out. It can be like destroyed by cards like Red Demon Archfiend, etc. and the synchro can be negated by Solemn Judgement... i am fine if it were semi'd... P.S. Dang it i just bought 2 goyos 2 weeks ago and they limited it

For those who wonder and/or complain why Reinforcement of the Army was limited...
Alot of people here are always complaining about why the above card was limited. Here are the reasons why...

1) If it wasn't limited, TeleDad Decks would still be raping the metagame sideways.

2) It's splashable in too many of todays decks, whether or not they metagame.

3) Six Samarai would be just as powerful as Lightsworn Decks with three of these things running in a single deck.

4) A large variety of Tuner Monsters are warriors, making Synchro Summons too easy.

5) Too easy to bring out a Maurading Lock turn one. I sure as hell hate that kind of stall and so would everyone else unless they're the one's doing the locking!

6) Why give E-Hero Decks more of a reason to search out broken hero's like Elemental Hero Stratos when they already have E - Emergency Call??

7) A pretty good amount of monsters in Lightsworn Decks are Warriors.

Finnaly...

8) It was stupid of Konami to take it off the list to begin with. It should have never left the list... EVER!!!!

With all this in mind, it's hard to ask "why is this card limited?" or "that was stupid of Konami to limit this card cause it's harmless!". I can understand for those of you who don't pay attention to the metagame, but for the rest of you... buckle down and just deal with it! So what if it's limited? There are other cards designed to fetch warriors from the deck, such as Field-Commander Rahz. Foolish Burial also combo's with The Warrior Returning Alive! This is also a good time to try out a new deck or try using cards that came off the list. --Sky Scourge God 16:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I have a question....
WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING?! THEY TOTALLY JUST MADE LIGHTSWORNS RAPE ANYTHING THAT STANDS IN THEIR PATH! I MEAN HONESTLY, COME ON! GIVE OTHERS A BREAK!!! THE ONLY THING THAT WAS META GAME THAT MAY HAVE HAD A CHANCE AGAINST LIGHTSWORNS ARE OUT THE DAMN WINDOW!!

-tries to calm down-

Glad Beasts are now slowed to a halt. TeleDAD is gone, I'm happy about that. My E-Heroes and Zombies got RAPED in a different dimension. It's almost hopeless to even try to battle Lightsworns now without getting pissed. It's going to be Lightsworn deck after Lightsworn deck. It's like playing a SSBB tourney and your fighting MetaKnight after MetaKnight. >_>

Let's see... Okay! Let's duel!!

=
======== Lightsworn user; I'll go first!!

I play Charge of the Light Bridage! I send 3 cards from the top of my deck to the graveyard and add a Lumina to my hand! -Sends Wulf, Nerco Gardna and Honest, while adding Lumina to his hand.-

Now I summon Lumina!! I'll use Lumina's effect, by discarding Nerco Gardna, I can special Summon 1 Lightsworn Level 4 or lower from my graveyard! I choose Wulf!

I set two cards and end my turn! Due to Lumina's effect, I send 3 cards off my deck. -sends 2 more Wulfs and Celestia, Lightsworn Angel- My two Wulf's are special summoned to the field!

1st Turn field status; Lightsworn user: Lumina, 3 Wulf's 2 set cards, 2 cards in hand.

Me(Gladiator Beast User)

-looks at field and then my hand.-

.... Good game man, good game. -picks up cards and walks away.-

=
Ahem, as I further say it, it's bothersome, annoying and gay to play against. I can't do exactly what I want anymore, because there's less chance to draw my Prisma and or Bestiari because I cant have RotA to gain Prisma, Bestiari is limited to one so there's less chance I'll even get it.

I wouldnt be as mad if they just weakened Lightsworns. Honest REALLY needs a limit, and maybe Necro needs a Semi. JD should really be banned, but I'll even settle for a Limit. I really cant stand Wulf, so maybe a Limit or Semi is needed.

It's just they left Lightsworns so powerful, while weakening the things that could fight them. I mean it was hard enough to fight them without this list...But now it's almost borderline impossible...JetKamakura 19:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I sorta agree and disagree with what your saying. Lightsworn is powerful, but it's not the only deck left in the metagame. It is currently the only known deck alongside Gladiator Beast Decks leftover from the last format that is still playable (unlike TeleDad and Zombie), but a ton of other decks are gonna rise to the occasion to, it's just that most people don't know what they are at this point. Lots of people speculate that Spellcasters are gonna become a powerhouse deck soon, some say Beasts are the same way. Gladiator Beasts are still good, the only thing that happened is that Gladiator Beast Gyzarus isn't as easy to bring out anymore. Plants are gonna be more playable than ever with TeleDad and it's swarm rival, Zombies, out of the way.


 * I do however agree that Lightsworn should of taken a hit, even the smallest one possible. The card I would've liked to see get hit was Honest, but thats about it. Judgment Dragon isn't as threatning as most people think, Wulf can become a dead draw sometimes, Celestia can be countered just as well as any other card can, and Charge of the Light Brigade only aids in the super milling that Lightsworns are so good at. The truth is that Lightsworns DID take a hit, as it's most powerful version was the Lightsworn Zombie Hybrid Deck people liked. This deck actually got top 8 at UpperDeck Day in San Diego (I was there, and I even got to play agianst it). That particular deck was centered around two key zombie cards that are now limited, so it's not very playable anymore.


 * The best way to counter a Lightsworn Deck is to wait until they completely mill themselves or to let them use everything they've got. Wait until they play they're biggest cards and make they're biggest plays before you make your move. Use as little of your resources to defend yourself as possible. Then when they have exhausted a good chunk of they're resources, you can catch them off gaurd and hit them where it hurts the most. Basically, play an easy but tough defense, then make a quick and easy offense.--Sky Scourge God 21:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

ROTA Replacement
Also, for all of you Gladiator Beast users, may I sudgest replacing Reinforcement of the Army with E - Emergency Call so you can search out your Elemental Hero Prisma? --Sky Scourge God 21:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Uh WUh?
Okay I put 3 RoTAs in my Warrior Toolbox Deck because Jttheunderdog put 3 in his deck of the month August (GO to his youtube). I know my Gladiator Beast Deck and my warrior deck are just toolboxes, but their good and they lose to monarch decks and I need a better deck. So what do I put in subsitute of Rota in a warrior deck~ Vanharo oh yeah and Teldad didn't just dropped the soap they dropped the Shampoo


 * You can try combining Foolish Burial with The Warrior Returning Alive. Field-Commander Rahz also works to a certain point and it's effect can activate when it's special summoned so you might want to give that a shot. Other than that, not much I can say for a straight up Warrior Toolbox Deck. The best replacements for this spell are designated for specific decks only, like Gladiator Proving Ground, E - Emergency Call, Charge of the Light Brigade, ect.