Talk:The Seal of Orichalcos (UDE promo)

Fusion Effects of Legendary Dragons
It says in the effect of this card that the Fusion effects of the Legendary Dragons do not work when the seal is on the field? Who added this and where is there proof? The Claw of Hermos' effects lets it become an equip card and Joey has only ever used this effect when the seal is on the field. The same goes for Kaiba and the trap fusion of Critias, and all but one occasion for Yugi(Yami) and Timeus. So this part of the card effect should be deleted, unless someone explains why else. (I know I spelled the Dragons' names wrong, oh well)03:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, here's how it works. If you play the Seal of Orichalcos, you lose the trust of your Legendary Dragon, and it removes itself from play, and the fusion material other than it is returned. It won't undo the fusion if you aren't the controller of the Seal. 71.193.11.72 01:34, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

In regards to the notes at the bottom, I beleive Dartz was so called in the Japanese version and Doma was the name of the group he led. Symos.

This page says The Seal of Orichalcos can't be destroyed, but it was destroyed once in the anime. Also when The Eye of Timaeus (or Dark Magician Girl the Dragon Knight to be more specific) was on Yami side of the field and he played The Seal of Orichalcos it was removed from play (not sent to the graveyard as it did not count towards the effects of Purity of the Cemetery or Guardian Eatos). --24.172.195.239 14:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. Once again, I'm doing the correcting here. The seal cannot be affected by any card that does not have Orichalcos in it's name, or is one of the legendary dragons/knights. Legend of Heart is capable of bringing them to the field in their knight forms, and all three together then destroy the seal. 71.193.11.72 01:38, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * The Eye of Timaeus is a legendary monster. It can't be destroyed by any normal means.--SlashMan 23:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)SlashMan
 * No one has said anything about it being able to be destroyed by most means. I just said that Dark Magician Girl the Dragon Knight was removed from play, not destroyed, when Yami played The Seal of Orichalcos .--208.100.235.186 04:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I Could Get One of These
I have a friend who works for Upper Deck and has a Seal of Orichalcos card. I'm not entirely sure he would trade to me, but I'm sure he would give me it to scan. I only get to see him every Saturday, though. So, I will try to get a picture of it. If I don't, or if I can't, then I'm sorry. I'll try my best to get it out of him! --Quad-Horned Six Headed Dragon 23:31, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Sacred Cards
Should the SoO (short for Seal of Orichalcos) be considered a "Sacred Card"? It seems powerful and rare enought to rival the God and Sacred Beast Cards. -- Slifer the Winged Tormentor November 9, 2007 (Question)Is it true that this card was only created with five other copies around the world(In English)? (Answer) Read the effect! Do you really think that if you lose a duel against this card the you have give away your soul!!?? LOL!!
 * It was included once, but later retired becase admins said that it must be on its own template. --Dragon Slayer 23:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I have this
(NOT) I have this card. Bought it off a Upper Deck member for $30.
 * Proof? --Dragon Slayer (Contribs • Count) 15:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Pics or it doesn't exist.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 15:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Give me a few minutes, I gotta try to hook my digital camera up to take a pic. 67.68.36.252 15:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You'll need to create an account to upload images.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 16:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We're still waiting for this "supposed" image.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 17:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And as we thought, he didn't come back. --Dragon Slayer (Contribs • Count) 03:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I have it so I got some proof... AS SOON AS SOMEBODY TELLS ME HOW TO UPLOAD PICS!--KirbyPaladin 14:29, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, Okay. I seriously doubt it. But the way you upload a picture is through the left side it has a upload image buttton click that. It should be under top content, community, help, forum, and IRC channel.--Qim1 01:15, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope i dont duel this guy... according to the cards effect id have to give him my soul! lol

effects
this effect is not stated: mai is able to move her harpie lady to the spell and trap zone during her duel with joey (ep 154). why isnt it included under the effects?Lpoi 12:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

soul
the card description forgot to mention that the loser of the duel that it's used in loses their soul. Skulls 21:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The real card can't take your soul 62.3.238.10 11:31, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

This card will zap the very soul out of you... believe me ive seen it happen.-nameless0666

Uploaded the Pic
I have this card and I uploaded the pic--Gtprynce 06:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC)



1- The name, which is supposed to use small caps instead of lower case letters like ALL TCG cards. It also looks to me like it was printed in yellow rather than engraved in gold foil. 2- The lore, which mentions the 3 Legendary Dragons/Knights, possibly to reflect the anime lore. As far as I know, the UDE card was made to be playable, which means that the mentioning of those Monsters is pointless since they don't exist in the real games. These are my thoughts on the card. I could be wrong, though. -- Melik el-Al&#39;ab 06:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There are two things that concern me about that card.


 * Hmm, I agree. The template looks similar to the fake cards I often see. Especially the name & the holofoil. Also, where's the Spell icon that is usually located next to the Spell's name? And the font for the effect also looks off. 100% fake, IMO. Order 12:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

--Gtprynce 22:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

--Gtprynce 22:34, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The person who makes this for you should use the Matrix Book Small Caps font for the name and justify the entire effect so it's even. And the rarity it looks like is parallel rare which is a really rarity. :3--LionofTwilight 18:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Then try using this card art pic: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Image:The_Seal_of_Orichalcos.png   :3 --LionofTwilight 18:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The REAL "The Seal of Orichalcos" Field Spell Card
it is. And I took the time to read the very faint but still clear card description and added it here.


 * The real world card can be seen here. It has no 8-digit numerical passcode in the bottom left-corner, nor "© 1996 KAZUKI TAKAHASHI" and "Eye of Anubis Hologram" in the bottom right-corner. It does have a TGC Set Prefix of ORI-EN01. Also, this card has the longest card text of any existing card. It has a first-time record of 10 lines of card text.


 * The real world card description is as follows:


 * This card is unaffected by the effects of Spells, Traps, and Effect Monsters. The activation and effect of this card cannot be negated except by an "Orichalcos" effect, or if your opponent controls "Legendary Knight Timaeus", "Legendary Knight Critias", and "Legendary Knight Hermos". The Fusion effects of "The Eye of Timaeus", "The Fang of Critias", and "The Claw of Hermos" are negated when this card is activated. As long as this card remains face-up on the field, this card's controller's monsters gain 500 ATK and are treated as DARK monsters, in addition to their normal Attributes. This card's controller's Spell & Traps Card Zones are also treated as Monster Card Zones. However, monsters in the Spell & Trap Card Zones cannot be declared as an attack target unless their controller's Monster Card Zones are unoccupied. If this card's effect is negated, destroy all Monster Cards in your Spell & Trap Card Zones.

Someone reversed my edit (I don't know why). I didn't change anything, I just added this above. --SameAnon 17 July 2009

Please don't write things if you don't know them
Do you think it's funny taking pictures from eBay and pasting them on Wikia?The image you put is of a fake card created by an eBay seller,Orica,and that is the page of the auction:|293%3A1|294%3A50#ebayphotohosting|eBay.Idiot.--LightswornLord 11:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * How do you know that? Just asking.

P.S.:This is a talk page. Please remember to sign your posts using four tildes (LightswornLord 11:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)) or by using the signature button ( button_sig.png )
 * I am an expert of rare cards if you want to know,so don't post any fake image of rare cards to fool me or others,because I can recognise them easily.

Portuguese Name
I have change several times the portuguese name to the Anime version, so please, don't translate literally the card's name.

(Sorry about my bad English)

Possible playable Seal card?
Here's my idea at unbreaking the card, while leaving most of it's power intact.

Instead of lose your soul, it's "the loser of the duel loses the match." Conceding will NOT get you out of it's effect. If you concede after the Seal resolves, it is a match loss.

Yes, you get to use your spell and trap zones as monster zones.

Yes, all your monsters turn dark and get 500 ATK.

Yes, it gets rid of all field spells, and cancels new ones.

Yes, it is immune to all other card effects that do not specifically state they affect the Seal. There is no way to get rid of it when it's on the field ever, unless something is printed that can do it.

Not only that, it cannot be countered.

So how will we unbreak this?

Add a few drawbacks.

1) The card is Limited. You put two in, you lose the match. :) (true to the anime) 2) Pay half you life points to activate it. (make it dangerous, but always playable) and the real kicker 3) You must win within 5 turns of casting or you lose the duel.

So all it takes is a bit of stalling with wakobu/negate attack/swords, and the user of the seal must pay the price.

Alternate 3a) During your standby phase, pay half of your life points (and you can't get rid of it because it's immune to anything that would do so)

This is true to the spirit of the anime, where the player of the seal will always attack recklessly and do everything in their power to win as fast as possible. So we provide an in-game effect to force players of the card to do that.

Also, the card has no protection while it is in your deck, graveyard, or hand. You must initiate the casting of it for it to gain it's protection from everything. 71.193.11.72 01:52, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Uhm, because this card is a Field Spell, it can be destroyed quite simply if the opponent activates another Field Spell, because of Game Mechanics. That's because it isn't destroyed by another card effect. That's all that has to be done. According to the current card text, it does nothing to prevent your opponent from playing another Field Spell card. Read the last OCG Ruling for Magical Citadel of Endymion for a similar effect.68.68.141.221 05:34, December 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, you are wrong. It specifically states that your opponent cannot activate Field Spell spell cards. DemonGodAsura 05:45, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

How about:
 * Giant Trunade + Exchange... they can negate Exchange, but they can't use it now.
 * Phoenix Wing Wind Blast + Mill

Falzar FZ 01:47, January 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure what you are asking Falzar, but no, Giant Trunade cannot and wouldn't affect The Seal because it states "This Spell Card is impervious to negation, destruction, and removal." on the first line meaning that once it is active Giant Trunade and PWWB could be activated but The Seal would not get bounced. Exchange could work, but chances are unless it has already been activated (which would make Exchange pointless to use), Exchange would have to be timed in order to send it to the Graveyard, unless the owner of the card decides to just negate it then use a card to remove it from the Graveyard. However this all is really a mute point as only 15 exists (officially) and i highly doubt that anyone would really allow The Seal.Altyrell 02:00, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

When it says "removal" doesn't it mean removal as in... um... Caius removal? Falzar FZ 02:13, January 5, 2010 (UTC) - ShinobiPhoenix 02:20, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * It means removal from the field period. Destroy, bounce, RFG and technically activation of Field Magic, though the text is so improper you never know if that was even an option or not, but they will just claim it is.  Still, you shouldn't take too much stock in the wording, there's a reason it's not legal or real in the sense of being official.  It's just something UDE had made for these events and the wording is so improper and outside of game rules or mechanics that it would never be released as is.  It would need a vicious amount of rewriting to the point of not looking at all like it does now.  Assuming it EVER would be, which is doubtful, but hell, we got an Orichalcos monster, so you never know.  Still, a properly worded version would be the only way.  What UDE put was HORRIBLY bad.

Clearer Picture
Here's a clearer picture, I think the codes are right on it. Jono R 11:37, October 13, 2009 (UTC)



Effect
What happended to the part about you can use spell and trap zones for monsters? And it cnan be destroyed by the Dragons? And the part that your monsters are dark? They were on there before...--Qim1 01:20, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Photos of the Duel the Master event
I've uploaded this image, which I found in a photobucket gallery. Just readjusted it a bit. Here is the full gallery. It's got photos of the Duel the Master event, which look genuine. Anyone think/not think that this is the real deal? -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:21, January 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's real. As I said in the Talk:Trivia Page:


 * It's controversial solely because of the animosity people show toward each other in this game on almost any subject, however, since Julia Hedberg was the one that confirmed it and she and an (current) Konami talked about it on Pojo, perhaps I won't have to do the work anyway. For once even Pojo is taking something positively knowing the whole issue is finally resolved.  I'm just trying to help spread that information around so others can finally get their resolution on the issue also.  If someone here doesn't know where yet:
 * , ,
 * You can't get much more confirmed than from the mouth of Julia or Kevin T, outside of Yumi Hoashi herself.

ShinobiPhoenix 02:07, January 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, finally photos of the event. For years I have herad of the event but never actually seen any pictures. It's nice to have the pictures. I suggest people save those pictures or keep a backup of them, since this is good evidence of the event(and good evidence for the "officially produced but unofficial TCG" card). With many fakes and many people "claiming" to have one of the real Seal of Orichalcos cards, it's good to have evidence of the actual UDE produced Seal of Orichalcos card. Petco 04:07, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Soul Forfeit
This is so wrong.


 * No it's not. The card was made by UDE for a joke tournament. It's not officially part of the TCG. And it does have that line printed on it. The current image is very blurry, but you can see that the words match the card text we've given. They obviously didn't make people forfeit their souls. As I said it was a joke. They did however take photos of people who lost and put them on a Wall of Souls. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:25, January 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Makes me wonder what would happen, had the opponent won against the one who had used the Seal, cause i mean they didn't lose so they wouldn't go onto the "Wall of Souls".Altyrell 15:24, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Looks
Looks fake!


 * See the above section. It's a straightened version of this image. Look at the rest of the album and you'll see photo's of the event it was used in. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:25, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Match
What does it mean "The winner of this duel wins the match"? --87.14.128.16 16:22, January 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Whenever the Seal of Orichalcos is activated in a duel the stakes are increased. The loser of the duel at that point loses their Soul if the Seal is still active at the end of the duel. What that translates into, in real gameplay is obviously you can't forfeit your Soul if you lose while the Seal is active, but the next highest thing to that is the match itself. Basically the Seal has a winner takes all approach to it thus being the only Spell Card with a Match Winner property to it. When Rafael played the Seal and did not lose his Soul to it being active he still lost the duel/match regardless.
 * Also, in "Real World" Terms "Best 2 out of 3 Duels = 1 Match".Altyrell 18:28, January 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * They don't play Matches in the anime, so how could it have had such an effect? If they do, they've never played any, so how could we know this has such an effect?
 * If it's because they can't play a second or third round because they've lost their soul, that's a consequence of them losing their soul, not a part of the effect. That's like saying if your opponent has a contagious disease, you may catch it is part of "Yu-Jo Friendship's" effect.
 * I don't think it should be changed from "lose a soul" to "lose the match" because losing a soul can't be part of real life mechanics. It was possible in the anime, and that section is for the anime effect. Dark Synchros don't exist in real life, but we don't completely change their anime effects to fit real life rules. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:45, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

That is a good point about the "Yu-Jo Friendship's" comparision. The effect might need to be ommitted then. But here's the logic behind the Match Winner property for the Seal.

- Player 1 activates the SEAL and wins a "Single Duel" = Player 1 gains Player 2's Soul (Player 2 is definitively defeated plus there is no more duels to be played anyways in a single duel). So this point really goes without saying.

- Player 1 activates the SEAL and wins a "Single Duel within a Match" = Player 1 gains Player 2's Soul. Therefore Player 2 cannot play a 2nd duel because his Soul is forfeited to Player 1 at this point. Player 2 cannot continue playing more Duels within the Match because he has no Soul, so Player 1 wins the Match by default.

(Its basically like if you play a match against someone and beat them on the 1st or 2nd out of the 3 duels, and then your opponent doesn't want to continue to play anymore because of that lost and gives up, making you the winner of the Match by default. THE SEAL essentially FORCES THIS SCENARIO.)

- Player 1 activates the SEAL and it is destroyed by Player 2 within the Duel. Player 1 still manages to win the duel, but since the SEAL was not active at the end of the duel, the Match still continues.

about the real effect
the real effect states "You control a back row of monsters that cannot be attacked while a monster is in the front row." this seems to means that as long as u have a monster, u can control another row of monster behind it. does this means that there is 10 monster zone and 5 spell/trap zone since it does not say the back row is the spell/trap zone. (something like this) -Lpoi 06:01, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

No the real effect basically translates into you can move your monsters into the Spell/Trap Card Zones, which is the back row from the Monster Card Zones which is the front row. You do not add additional Monster Card Zones. -FANtomCore- 00:12, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Does this card even exist?
Seriously, I've been dying to know. I know the pic must be fake because a trading card can't take your soul, so I want to know once and for all - Is this card real or not? SpaceGhidorah 01:12, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * It was used at an Upper Deck "Duel the Masters" event. The card pictured is real, albeit of bad quality. You are correct in asserting that a trading card cannot steal souls, but that might be a future gameplay mechanic - soul counters or some such. HasturHasturHastur 01:22, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

The soul thing just meant when a duel is over, its over that's all, don't take it literally, plus upper deck cronies used sloppy text when writing up the card, after all it was just for fun.

2011 rumor
I heard a rumor that this card will be sold to the public sometime in 2011. Is this true, false, or still up for debate?--Thanonyx 19:06, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

It is a false rumor. --Supersaiyandoyle 07:16, March 10, 2010 (UTC) We shall see come 2011 shall we? --Thanonyx 22:06, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * No one, other than yourself Thanonyx, has heard of that rumor before and it is more likely to be untrue.Altyrell 22:30, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Can I post a pic?
Can I place this card pic I made wich is an exact copy of the one in the pic, but looks perfectly scanned? --SGP (talk • contribs) 03:12, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

of course noT!!!!! That's a card made off of yugioh card maker .net. (Ive used the site enough to recognize the almost green card frame) and besides we want the actual card. Yug18-11 (talk • contribs) 03:30, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

well, then how about this one? a cousin just sent it to me. he says its a scan. this one is the true scan file. the other one was the same, but I didn't uploaded the supposed scan one... oops... --SGP (talk • contribs) 16:07, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

it was deleted, but its the best image you could get for now... I mean, my cousin says he got a scan from his neighbour who supposedly is an UDE employee. --SGP (talk • contribs) 16:16, August 3, 2010 (UTC)