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Wikia ACG
Summary: The Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is considering joining Wikia ACG, below is some information on what technical things in the project or policies will change as a result. Links to more information on the project after the list.

I didn't intend to mention Wikia ACG to the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki until the project had grown a good deal, but TwoTailedFox seamed pretty interested in joining the project, so I guess I'll ask the community for some feedback on this and detail what would end up changed: Theres a bit of information on the project at What will happen?, Anime:Extended information, and Wikia ACG Terminology and the project page is at Wikia ACG. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 18, 2007 @ 23:45 (UTC)
 * The Project uses a set of bots to sync various things across all the wiki in the project:
 * There are some pages that these bots would overwrite here:
 * Template:Delete would be overwritten by Anime:Template:Delete.
 * Template:Disambig would be overwritten by Anime:Template:Disambig.
 * And Template:Stub would be overwritten by Anime:Template:Stub.
 * Also, the Anime:Template:Fair use may have a few more options for use than your Template:FairUse but they are different titles so yours won't be overwritten.
 * There are a number of licensing templates for use also. Along with a number of interesting other ones.
 * Also, the images inside of w:c:Naruto:Images/noedit will show up here.
 * I haven't finished enough work on TagSyncBot yet to let me exclude UserBoxes from being synced so all the ones at Anime:Project:Userboxes/listing will show up here. But, when I fix things up extras that don't fit can be excluded.
 * Wikia ACG Has a set of Global JS/CSS that will be referenced:
 * A new Show/Hide will be working.
 * I have a special Box class for CSS which is very nice for doing styles for tables and other boxes and templates.
 * If you want to use them, there is a good bit of preloaded JS that work nice for userscripts that do things like adding tabs, tabmenus, etc... And it's possible to add my BasicTabs and even WikiSwitch systems.
 * Wikia ACG does have some global policies, but I don't think any should really be a problem:
 * Copyrights: This is just the basic copyrights page, it's more of a shared page so that other projects don't half to bother creating one.
 * Fair use policy: The basic Fair use policy, but we normally wave the act of tagging each and every image for those wiki which have been around awhile and have a few hundred images already.
 * Jump start from Wikipedia policy: The policy does talk about starting articles from Wikipedia articles, but that goes on a "Don't reinvent the wheel, unless it needs reinventing" motto and the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is already more comprehensive than Wikipedia so that doesn't really apply.
 * Some community feedback/input/confirmation would be nice. Even though TwoTailedFox says that he likes the idea we can't really go ahead without feedback from the community. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 21, 2007 @ 16:38 (UTC)
 * Just a small note but, as the 25 will make it a full week that this has been up right on the main Community Portal where everyone looks. And pointed out on both the Main Page and in a Sitenotice. Since the Founder and most active admins agree with the idea they do intend to go ahead with this without feedback if no-one posts any feedback, or even a question by tomorrow. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 24, 2007 @ 13:00 (UTC)


 * All you editors out there: Comment! Even to support this idea, we at least want a general idea of the support this idea has amongst you.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 21:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * At the moment I see no reason to support or not to support it. It could cause more problems or make things easier. It is a double edged sword. Big Boss 0 21:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In response to the potential to cause problems, remember you guys will have a say in how Wikia ACG affects its members in general and Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki in particular. So hopefully when a problem emerges and has been identified, it can also be resolved via the involvement of the communities. -Afker 22:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ^_^ That was actually addressed off page: User talk:TwoTailedFox, User talk:Big Boss 0. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 25, 2007 @ 22:43 (UTC)
 * Well I sort off like the idea and I agree with Dantman that it needs community support to progress further.."Go Ahead..Make my Day" ..-- Cometstyles 21:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really see what difference it will make. As long as the way things are entered doesn't change...too much, at least...I'm sort of neutral on the issue.
 * --Narchibald84 13:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * We can make a list of the advantages and disadvantages it will cause, then we would be able to see if it is better to support the ACG Project or continue the Wikia in the way it is. I can't make the list because I don't know much about this, but maybe another person like an administrator can do that. What do you think guys? --Dragon Slayer 20:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I can't really come up with a good list, I've already listed out the pages with information, and made checks to make sure that nothing on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki collides badly with anything that Wikia ACG Shares. But I'll try to list the different types of WikiText/JS/CSS additions that would be added (Even though those pages I've pointed to already give that information, if anyone would actually care to read them...)
 * Wikia ACG deals in 2 main things... Shared content that makes it easier for wiki even without good technically knowledgeable editors to have useful complex templates and other js and css. And a unification of wiki; Primarily through some global policies that the projects in the wiki have in common and agree on (None of the current ones interfere with the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki, and by joining the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki will have input into the creation of future ones, so there's no issue with policies), and through backlinking (Basically all the wiki in the project link back to the central wiki in the project, and the central wiki in the project link out to all the focused wiki; Kinda like a web, it makes it easier for similar wiki to be found and theoretically helps spread out both readers and editors to all the wiki). Heres some of the bits of shared content:

WikiText (Synced Templates)

 * See Category:Templates/shared, Category:TagSynced.


 * Well I don't know about to many specifically useful ones, but there are a few nice synced templates that are generally helpful.
 * There is a Deletion template here, but there is actually a shared deletion template used in Wikia ACG which has more options and is pretty useful itself. Works for normal and speedy deletion, as well as a has a optional reason field, change of the discussion page displayed, and preloaded reasons that I can add more to if you want.
 * is a useful template to use when explaining things about other templates. If you were talking about the deletion template you'd use And you'd get something like  where it was linked to, didn't need any tags, could easily be copied, and it also lets you list out a large number of parameters that should be displayed in that example, as well as a prefix if you are talking about something that should be substed or is used in another method
 * The general See also, Main, Spoiler, Stub, etc... templates are all synced so no-one needs to create them if needed. As well as a useful directory template.
 * There's just something I would like to note about all the templates. I've actually done quite a lot of work on them... Templates like actually combine the uses where a wiki would normally create templates called GFDL, FAL, GPL, LGPL, etc... And also let those do different things by creating even more templates like GFDL-self. As with that one, there are a lot of templates that I have in Wikia ACG which are similar or derived from normally used Wikipedia templates, but have been considerably improved. Including combining many similar templates into a single one. And expanding what most of them can do.

Common pages

 * There are some common pages put in central locations so that each wiki in the project doesn't need to define half the terms or bits of information there are.


 * Articles for General but applicable terms like Anime, Manga, etc... Would be made on the main wiki in the project so every wiki with an anime series doesn't need to define what anime is on their own wiki.
 * Same goes for Genre and various bits of generally used terminology.

CSS

 * I normally create a Color Scheme for a wiki as I need to add some neutralizing css to a Wiki's Monobook so that the global css doesn't break anything. Of course wiki like the AliceSoftWiki can always opt out from a color scheme designed individually for the wiki as the neutralizing css I add can simply use the normal colors that you see on the wiki, but generally a color scheme is nice as it normally makes a wiki a more comfortable place to be.
 * There was a discussion on MediaWiki talk:Common.css and you'll see mentions of my Box class and other css classes. They're quite useful and versatile things that eliminate the need to use a lot of useless templates or do a lot of hand styling to tables and other things in articles. It also standardizes various templates and things so that it's much easier to change them around when needed.

JS
That's about all I can think of right now... ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 27, 2007 @ 00:33 (UTC)
 * There are some preloaded JS things which make it much easier for users to add nice custom tools for their use in their User JS. Mainly if you copy most my own global js there's a useful tab system there, including my WikiSwitch which makes using multiple wiki much easier.
 * There's also a Show/Hide system in Wikia ACG's JS. The one here on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is actually broken, and also doesn't activate when you're in any skin other than Monobook. So those users using Wikia's new and very handy Quartz skins won't have as pleasant a time on the wiki.
 * Also for a little help, I've also got a script there that makes the Edittools box collapsible and makes that persist that way for them, for those who don't want that in their way.
 * I haven't flushed out all the bugs yet, but I've used the YUI that Wikia is loading to create a tab system. So using some classes and elements in the WikiText of the page could separate content into separate tabs.
 * I haven't been here very long (and actually haven't contributed much except on my userpage), but I see many benefits to joining the Wikia ACG, and few reasons not to. --Dinoguy1000 What?I did it! 17:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, just wanted to make clear that if the purpose of joining ACG are just technical issues of the 'MediaWiki' that could be fixed by some technicians just here, then that's not enough reason other than be together with them. You also say that image and content templates are some other reasons for joining them, we could also make some similar ones here. I just dont see any reason for a merging of the 2 projects by now.--Andersmusician $  14:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, you and Dinoguy1000 actually are going on the same list of reasons. Both of you note the few reasons that point either way, but say two different opinions on it. Basically it's a case of the classic "Is the cup 'half full' or 'half empty'?" debate. Two even sets of reasons where people pick one based on their general outlook.
 * But firstly, it's not exactly a Project merging with a project. It's a wiki, joining into a project made up of a large group of wiki. The project itself doesn't have a real central location at the moment (till the ACG Wiki is created) but I'd say joining in fits more than merging.
 * The technical things are just what I focus on because the majority of issues I find with a wiki coming into the project is that it may have templates or various types of organization that could make it that if the automated parts of the project were run on the wiki, it could break the site. And because I don't want to break a wiki nice enough to join I look over everything to make sure that running things on the wiki won't mess anything up.
 * There's of course other things than the technical things. But first, before I go of the technical stuff I should note somethings.
 * The templates and other things used in Wikia ACG have been made in special ways. They use some techniques that as a result may end up breaking if you pull them out of the project without working with things that they depend on. So the best way to get those things into a wiki is not to copy them but to join the project. Majorly these techniques I mention are ones that make the templates work nicely in a customized way even when they are duplicated identically onto dozens of different wiki.
 * Also, if you decide to copy from elsewhere you may not actually be getting very good things, a lot of Wikipedia templates break when copied to Wikia, and not only that, but they're also poorly done for the most part because wide use stops changes from being made to improve the templates.
 * Technicians here on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki!? The Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki has been running on bare bones for quite some time because there are no such technicians here who can deal with the advanced techniques and other things in WikiText, JS, or even CSS.
 * But off the technical stuff, the project isn't all technical, it's largely a community thing. The focus is to give every Anime, Manga, Comic, Cartoon, and related Game universe it's own area for complete documentation. Giving the larger ones individual wiki, and the smaller ones not big enough a Mini-wiki area. And unification/navigation is part of it all. All the wiki in the project link back to the main wiki, which in turn has many links linking out to the other wiki in the project. The idea is that instead of making the readers or editors half to to to the central Wikia to find other wiki, instead they can go back to the general wiki in the project, and easily find the other wiki or Mini-wiki which are related. It helps spread out both readers and editors. In addition to that, another portion of unification is not pointlessly doing things over and over. Instead of having each and every wiki go through the same set of startup issues, and other midway issues. If a problem was encountered in one place and a solution was found, then that could be made globally so that other wiki don't end up running into the same issue. Even going back to the technical bit, even if the wiki did have some technical users that's nothing compared to having technical people on multiple wiki combining efforts and solving problems globally from one spot so that no-one else needs to run into them. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Oct 4, 2007 @ 04:34 (UTC)


 * I don't see why to change something that is good in the way it is, I'm neutral about this. --Dragon Slayer 03:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * However there are many good advantages in joining the ACG. Go ahead, anyway, both options are good. --Dragon Slayer 05:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so that's an ok from TwoTailedFox, Cometstyles, Dinoguy1000, Dragon Slayer, and a ok from Hajun Chen (See the supports in the Prefix to Namespaces section). A neutral from Narchibald84. And Andersmusician is the only one who doesn't see the reason.
 * That seems alright, but I'll just note something. Trying to copy over the systems will not have very good results. Many of the systems are coded together and depend on each other. Miss a portion of it and everything breaks. You also won't have any benefits from the fact that we sync things. Because of us syncing things to wiki in the project it actually means that if one wiki has an idea for something that can be improved in a template or system, that improvement is applied on all wiki in the project. And because of that all the wiki benefit. The other thing to note, is actually that much of what is on Wikia ACG is very unique. Consider almost everything on Wikia ACG a semi-stable alpha. Completely new and unique things that you will find almost nowhere else. Doing things yourself won't have the same results. Oh ya, also I'm going to be improving some things here as requested and noted (For starting, the Navigation template will be improved, and I'm going to be working on a special CardTable which will work better than all the others) but the thing is those won't go to well without the Wikia ACG stuff, much of what is there is a bit of a toolkit of mine that improves coding of good templates. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 13, 2007 @ 08:09 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm getting poked repeatedly by the admins of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki in the IRC Channel about how long it is taking for the wiki to join Wikia ACG. So since there's only one person who doesn't see the point and the rest support it I'll give it a week. If by Thursday November 22, 2007 no-one has added any more discussion or negative feedback then we'll consider the wiki joined and start work on setting up the Wikia ACG stuff on here. In the meantime we do welcome supporting comments. Even if you are just saying * Support and signing your name it helps. What matters here is a general view of what the community wants. That's what staff like to see. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 16, 2007 @ 06:29 (UTC)


 * Alright, There's things I'm unclear about.
 * Templates: If we join we: overwrite templates with templates that do... the same thing. The fair use one has more options, but we could easily add them or similar ones.
 * Extra images: You gave a broken link. I think you meant w:c:Category:Naruto:Images/noedit. Yes pretty, I suppose we could use them, but need them.
 * Userboxes: Meh, I'm not pushed if we get any or not.
 * New show/hide function: Ok this I'm interested in. What's different about this one?
 * New tables: Sounds useful. Have you got links to examples?
 * And what actually happens when we join? Is the syntax just copied and pasted straight from one wiki to another or some crazy ass other thing done? What's the difference between joining and just copying from the common.css, common.js pages and some of the templates and uploading those images ourselves?
 * So what I'm basically looking at is a new show/hide and new tables. We are doing fine with the old ones and haven't you said, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" and "Don't reinvent the wheel"? But overall there's nothing wrong with getting new stuff and I guess we could still improve certain formats using them. Just tell me, would it interfere with anything we already have (aside from overwriting the delete, stub and disambig templates)?
 * And finally since Wikia ACG is dedicated to creating a unified network of Wikia about anime, manga, cartoons, comics and games. Does it affect or create a relationship between wikias involved or would it just mean that we would be using the same stuff as them? --Deltaneos 14:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've gotta say, Deltaneos, this is rather interesting timing for bringing up these issues. If I may, I'd like to respond to a few of them:
 * Templates: True, overwriting them to get a few extra options that could be manually added seems like overkill. However, in the long run, overwriting them with templates that are already fully developed and tested saves a lot of time and effort versus adding, testing, and tweaking new features manually. As you yourself said above (when you quoted Dantman), there's no reason to reinvent the wheel.
 * Extra Images: You gave a broken link as well. The correct link would be w:c:Naruto:Category:Images/noedit (and the original category would be w:c:En.Anime:Category:Images/noedit). Other than that, I really don't have anything to add on this issue... I've used up my daily Geek Point, though... ^_^;;
 * Userboxes: 'Ey, man, don't be hatin' none on dem userboxen, they're da bomb! (horrible, I know...)
 * I think that's pretty much all I've got to say, except to once again ponder your impeccable sense of timing... --Dinoguy1000 What?I did it! 17:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * My only real concern is an appropriate replacement for Template:CardTable2. Yes, it's ugly, yes, it's a bitch to debug, but the upside is, it works. I'm concerned that if we replace this, we will wind up with something that a) Is even harder to reprogram and re-code and b) Will actually look worse than what we have. Delta and I have got it to a stage where it's been tried and tested with all permutations of card pages, and I don't want to see all that hard work go to waste. Any replacement for that template has to 100% duplicate what we currently display.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 18:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Templates/Syncing/Styles/Scripts
 * Two words... Sync Bots... Copy and Paste would lead to things ending up out of date. Delete, Disambig, and Stub are the only ones which overlap and would be overwritten. The others noted are just cases where you'll have 2, one which works better than the other. Take a look at a page like Anime:Template:See also. And look at that TagSync area at the bottom. I'm programming a new Sync Bot (When it's finished I'll release the code as I have done with all the other bots) to replace the other ones. The old one doing templates was AutoTemplateBot. But the new one is TagSyncBot. The main feature is how just by tagging a page with the template on the main Wikia ACG wiki the templates will be synced out. as the primary one which syncs the page to all wiki in the project.
 * This technique is the one that works best currently. Hopefully in the future a proper system will be created on Wikia that will allow for better working templates transcluded across Wikia.
 * As for the CSS & JS. Those aren't done using Sync bots. Luckly CSS has @import and JS can write in new script tags to import other scripts. So basically we just add a bit to the top of the various css and js files. And then all the wiki in the project share the same stuff from the central location. And when those get updated, they're updated elsewhere. Take a look at Anime:MediaWiki:Anime-Common.js, Anime:MediaWiki:Anime-Common.css, and Anime:MediaWiki:Anime-Monobook.css. Those are what we have for now. (I'm using one of my unique techniques on those to keep the sections of stuff on separate pages, but at the same time make it so that for the most part only one page is loaded).


 * Extra Images & Userboxes
 * Most of the synced images are ones which are used in the shared templates and userboxes. Things will get a bit easier later when I add the category and image sync features to the TagSyncBot, then things will be a little more optional. For now they're just an extra thing that is used in some cases and also is just there if wanted.


 * Show/Hide
 * The current one here is out of date. This is actually an update. Last time I checked the one on Wikipedia was more up to date than the one here. But I've added in a few minor extras anyways. The quote was "Don't reinvent the wheel, unless it needs reinventing." In other words. Don't re-do something from scratch if someone else has already done the major part of the work for you to use. The Show/Hide we have is derived from the newer Wikipedia one with some upgrades. So that's what it is going along. Syntax is still the same so nothing will break from that. (I'd actually like to note that the Show/Hide appears broken here when I try and use it).


 * Tables
 * The tables you're mentioning are my very special Box Class system. If you want examples, take a look at 90% of the pages on the Animepedia; The Main Page uses the navtable element class and the type-nav color class. The Wikipedia template along with all our other shared templates use the box class to define their element's areas. And if you take a look at an article (Using a Narutopedia article since we don't have any table lists on the Animepedia) like List of Ninjutsu you'll see the system in action for tables. Then all the Infoboxes also use the Box classes. But you really half to experiment to figure out how much you can actually do with the Box classes. I designed this awhile ago, and it's served quite a good use. It replaces 90% of the css styling you'll ever need to do with a series of css classes which you can change around to suit different purposes. The best example I can give you is this Anime:Project:SandboxBox.


 * Community
 * It's not just stuff. It is also community. Aside from taking policies which are common to all the wiki in the project and making them global policies for all the projects. There is a bit of community interaction. Right now, basically all the wiki in the project have a section in the Sidebar linking back to the main wiki. From there we try to link out to all the wiki in the project from articles on those subjects and avoid doing the full documentation on the general wiki in favor of it being done on the focused wiki. But the general idea is that by linking from the other wiki to the main, then having the main wiki link to all the others. We create a bit of a web where both readers and editors are able to find new wiki they didn't know about and would be interested in. Without going all the way to Central which can be a bit intimidating for some people. Also there is some assurance that some things will be done similarly on the other wiki, so it's easier for editors to move from one wiki to another. (In the hopes that that both helps all the wiki in the project attract readers, and share editors)


 * CardTable
 * I'm actually building a new system. The iBox. Basically I'm taking most of the syntax used to create Infobox parts like those in my infobox systems at Anime:Template:Infobox, and putting those into templates. And using those it's quite simple to create infoboxes out of them without needing to learn all the syntax for the tables in the infoboxes. I'll be making some tweaks to that to allow for those boxes to be extended into info tables. That way the CardTable template can be made out of combinations of those to make them easy to modify. I think I'll also create some template hooks for special tricks I use the StringFunctions for. We'll make sure that the options of the new template have everything inside of the CardTable2 Template. It'll be styled with classes and should end up with nicer looks.
 * ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 17, 2007 @ 09:57 (UTC)

CSS and JS
Well, even if we ultimately don't join the Wikia ACG, would there be any objections to copying over at least some of the global CSS and JS? From what I can see, there shouldn't be any problems with doing that... --Dinoguy1000 What?I did it! 16:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Lack of Interest
A lot of regular users haven't say a word about this, maybe we should tell them again to give their opinion. --Dragon Slayer 03:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, TwoTailedFox has poked a lot of users to provide input. Feel free to poke a few more. We'll just wait for feedback. I suppose we'll go till about a week or two from the most recent bit of input (So it keeps jumping ahead as discussion goes) and if we get to a week or two, and there is no undismissed concerns on it, then we'd consider it ok. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 19, 2007 @ 07:16 (UTC)
 * Have given their opinion about this:


 * TwoTailedFox Support
 * Deltaneos Ok let's do this. Support
 * Huajun Chen Support
 * Narchibald84 Support
 * Cometstyles Support
 * Dinoguy1000 Support
 * Andersmusician Against
 * Tyrant Slayer Support
 * Van Ludwig Neutral
 * Peitenimi Support
 * Pcouw Support/Neutral - I like change, but not useless change.
 * Joeshoes Neutral
 * UltimateNagash Neutral, as long as it's not a screwy change...
 * Rodtheanimegod4ever - Neutral
 * Shiken - Support
 * Deus Ex Machina - Support (The changes appear to bring about more thorough articles; I like thoroughness)
 * Mallow I'll set him as neutral
 * Danny Lilithborne Support
 * Vyse24 Neutral
 * KevinSephiroth Against
 * AnnaV Neutral
 * Minhtam2448 Against
 * Yugi Muto How can I be against?I am the King of Games as you know!!!
 * look234 Neutral, I'm just here to help.
 * patz2009 Neutral, as long as the content and such remain similar.
 * Pizzaman Neutral
 * klemenkin Neutral
 * CrazyNebulak Against - I don't see enough benefit in doing it.
 * King Starscream Support - This would give us the advantage of having a permanent link in other ACG wikis. This would increase recognition.
 * RedEyesFan Neutral- as long the info is kept the same
 * RyuHane Support
 * BrokenHeart15 Support....what is this about?
 * Rainbow Dark Dragon Against, I don't want it to be next to other Animes.
 * Wilren Support - Attempting to find a problem with this idea. Searching...searching....nope, nothin'.
 * Ancientgear Against, we can't share this page with other anime shows that are really low rated.
 * Dragon of Chaos Against, Obviously!!! I agree with CrazyNebulak I don't see that much improvment, sorry if I sounded rude
 * Ghaleonh41 - If the goal is to unite all Wikias of the same type, I say why not? -- Ghaleonh41 19:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * RikoTheFoxKid Neutral
 * Poopgen a huge benefit support
 * Rayqui Support
 * Kid Eternity Support-this wiki will be easy to spot in the wikia ACG, so why not!.
 * Omarz Against, not enough benefits. Also, I agree with Ancientgear.
 * pin0yauthority Support.
 * -PatPeter Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is going to remain its own wiki right? If they want to sort of merge against, then again the reason now many pictures of cards exist on Wikipedia is because of fair-use, so would all our card images be deleted (against that too), agree with Ancientgear, not enough benefits.


 * Tally: 11 or 12 Support, 13 or 14 Neutral, 5 Against --Dino guy 1000
 * New tally: Support->11, Neutral->13, Against->5 (However two of those Against have not commented on anything after the concerns that make them Against were addressed, and two of those are against because they don't see the point in joining while other users do see a benefit in it. Only one user has a solid reason for being against, but it appears that other users don't find what he thinks is an issue to be an issue). ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 28, 2007 @ 23:04 (UTC)
 * New tally: Support->18, Neutral->11, Against->7. --Dragon Slayer 17:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Tally: Support(19), Neutral(12), Against(7); New tally... Supports and neutrals going up, but all the against are old ones from before discussion, and ones with reasons that other users don't seam to consider to be issues. Anyone still wanting to wait? ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 29, 2007 @ 07:48 (UTC)
 * No, most of users have vote. Lets do it. --Tyrant Slayer  03:04, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Since I'm always checking the Recent Changes I know who are the other active users that haven't voted so I'll tell them to do so. --Dragon Slayer 06:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I've got no problem with it one way or the other, though I will have to object to anything that would result in formatting issues. Mallow 06:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've told every frequent user I could remember to vote about this. --Dragon Slayer 07:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I wouldn't put Delta at neutral, he's a bit more than that. And Andersmusician had more of the I don't see a point view, while as it shows other users do see a point in it. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 24, 2007 @ 08:26 (UTC)


 * Not sure. Thought I voted support on this, but I'll do it again. Support. ^_^ Danny Lilithborne 12:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It worked, remember, we need your help to decide. --Dragon Slayer 16:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is my point of view: I'm against the idea of joining an anime wiki. I think the yugioh wiki should stay the same ... --KevinSephiroth 23:30, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not joining an Anime wiki. I thought I made the point that Wikia ACG and the Animepedia are not the same thing earlier on. Wikia ACG is a community project involving multiple wiki, it is not tied to any individual wiki. And the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki's content will not be merged into an Anime wiki. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 25, 2007 @ 02:03 (UTC)


 * I'm with KevinSephiroth on this one. Despite what you stated to me that the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki's content will not be merged into an Anime wiki, it will still be considered as an anime wiki even if everything is kept separate.  I'm against this notion. Minhtam2448 14:28, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No it won't be considered a anime wiki. The project is called Wikia ACG. ACG is a Taiwanese acronym for "Anime, Comics, and Games", or in North American terms "Anime, Manga, Cartoons, Comics, and Video Games". If you'll take a look at every wiki in Wikia ACG (And there are a number of them), only the Animepedia is an anime-only wiki. And that's because it's topic by definition is anime. The AliceSoftWiki is part of Wikia ACG, and trust me. That's not an anime wiki. AliceSoft only makes games, eroge to be specific. So if a wiki about a company that makes eroge-games is part of Wikia ACG. Then how does that mean the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki which documents a Card Game, Video Game, and Anime/Manga series (with other media) would be considered a anime wiki by joining. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 26, 2007 @ 01:04 (UTC)


 * That's another thing: visual novels as produced by such franchises as AliceSoft and Key can still be considered that of an Anime genre. I understand where you're trying to come from with the ACG and it's acronym terms, but being affiliated with an Anime, Comics, Games, etc. Wiki will still be considered an Anime wiki regardless.  Maybe not to you, but by many people out there.  Minhtam2448 02:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The same could be stated about MMKB but they're still considering on joining. But you also address the fact that Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is not a gaming only wiki. The Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki documents the Card Game and the Anime/Manga fairly evenly. And Wikia ACG covers Animanga and Games which cross-over. You don't make decision on what a wiki is about by looking at what it's a part of, you look at the wiki itself. And looking at the Main Page of the wiki proves the point that the wiki isn't an anime-only wiki. Plus Wikia ACG may not be the only project of this type in the future, it's possible that a similar project doing Gaming wiki may be created, and the wiki is free to be a part of both projects. Just because some favor the gaming portions of the wiki doesn't mean that the fact that the wiki works on the animanga aspects of the series should be completely ignored. And I still don't get how you can say "Anime, Comics, Games, etc..." And still say that Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki would be considered an Anime-only wiki when the word Games is right there in the list. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 27, 2007 @ 05:13 (UTC)


 * You've made some of your points on a few aspects, but I still question some of your other points. First off, I don't just make a decision on the wiki itself, but also by it's surroundings, and by joining any group, it becomes grouped with other wikis within that group, some of which share no similarities at all, and therefore it loses individual value.  Second, by creating an Anime-Comic-Game project, you have basically discriminated American animation from that list, and since not all games have been made in Japan, the fact that some sort of American game is placed in the anime-comic-game project will completely question it's validity of ever being part of a project.  Plus, there's also the possibility of misinterpreting a game - some people will define it as video games, especially with this project also taking account the anime, and while I understand that Yu-Gi-Oh in itself has its own video games, the validity of a Yu-Gi-Oh wiki being part of that group will also be questioned just because it's a card game.  That being said, you've been able to make your points thus far, but I am still against the notion of joining the ACG project. Minhtam2448 09:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * ACG is a Taiwanese term, in every country other than those in North America Anime and Cartoons are both referred to as Anime, and Manga and Comics are both referred to as Comics. As I already stated, the A and C in ACG in North American terms refers to Anime, Manga, Comics, and also Cartoons. So no, American animation is not discriminated from that list. As for the Games portion, the change from Games to Video Games was made by the source I got the information from, I'm not even sure why they made that conversion. But at any rate, ACG defines the G as "related games". So, to repeat what Wikia ACG's scope is, it's "Anime, Manga, Cartoons, Comics, and any game which is crossed over from, crosses over to, or is made in the same style as the other media formats in the scope." But, as that to being explained, the other users of the wiki don't appear to see it as an issue. Most are fine with it or see that there is more benefit to joining. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 1, 2007 @ 03:19 (UTC)

Top/Mid/Lower
In a note to Vyse24's note. I'm getting that there is some misunderstanding of what Top/Mid/Lower means in Wikia ACG. As defined at Wikia ACG Terminology it has nothing to do with how big a wiki is, how good a wiki is, etc... It's not a term used to separate the good from the bad. It's merely a guide to scope. Top-level is the generic wiki that cover the broad topics like Anime, Manga, etc... in general. The mid-level wiki are semi-focused, they don't focus on series, but they focus on companies or authors and work on the series that they make. And the lower-level wiki are focused on one universe.

Top-Mid-Lower defines their distance from a topic; Top being far away and covering the broader aspects. Mid being in-between where they're not generic, but not completely focused. And lower being lower, as in far closer and focused on the topic. However if that's causing confusion I should probably consider renaming the Top/Mid/Lower set into Generic/Grouped/Focused or make that Focused, Universe instead. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 26, 2007 @ 07:32 (UTC)

Benefits of Joining
I actually held back on explaining most of the benefits, but looking at a few responses, I should probably explain a bit more.
 * There is no merger. The Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki remains the way it is as always.
 * Wikia ACG likes to avoid strong alterations to the content on a wiki, and instead improve the way that the content is added in ways that line up with the wiki. If the wiki has a severely different way of doing things which is incompatible with Wikia ACG, we just let the wiki go on it's own instead of forcing change.
 * But The Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki isn't one of these. The main thing we primarily focus on is the Jump start from Wikipedia policy. This was basically because Wikia ACG would like to avoid communities which strive for Originality instead of using Unoriginal content from another wiki like Wikipedia as a base to jump start their content, even though using GFDL sources is part of the Wiki Way. But this doesn't apply to the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki because the wiki already is full of content which is far better than the content on Wikipedia.
 * Fair use laws is something which is applied to any wiki no matter if it's a part of some project or not. Wikia ACG does attempt to get some of it's new wiki to start up with the good habit of tagging their images, but it never forces a change in policies of an existing wiki.
 * Even so, the topic of fair use is much more lenient on Wikia ACG because wiki here are more focused on certain subjects, and unlike Wikipedia they have far more reason to have large quantities of fair use images. The strictest case of Fair use policies we have is on the Narutopedia, and that basically means that we try to make sure that images are properly tagged. If you look there, you'll see that we're still full of plenty of images and don't remove images which are useful as long as we can tag the image to properly attribute the source.
 * As for primary benefits. One of them is an improvement in the syntax used in editing. Wikia ACG has a lot of techniques that make editing easier and cleaner.
 * If you've noticed the Template:CardTable2, which is used on card pages. Ever wondered why a actual Template:CardTable was never created other than a redirect? That's because CardTable2 is actually a temporary template, a newer CardTable template which is much easier to use, coded better, and makes use of Semantic Data to actually allow users to search for cards based on things like their attributes, attack power, level and such. However, that project is waiting on some important templates from Wikia ACG that make the creation of it possible in the best way.
 * The Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is actually already using some of Wikia ACG's stuff just to demo it.
 * The Show/Hide that was here was actually upgraded when Wikia ACG's CSS and JS was added here for demo-ing.
 * In addition, for Sysops a link to a user's Deleted contributions appears on the Contributions page now to make it easier for the admins here to navigate the administrative interface.
 * If you've looked at the Edittools box (The one with the stuff below the edit form you can insert into the form), a new [hide] link shows up that lets you hide the large extra box inside there if it gets in your way. This is another part of Wikia ACG's JS.
 * You probably haven't checked it out, but if you look at Main Page/1 you'll see that there is a new Main Page which is being drafted. It needs a bit more CSS styling and a few tweaks, but you'll see that it optimizes use of space and uses a Tabbed Box to stop the Main Page from overwhelming the user's screen. This tab box is another part of Wikia ACG's JS being demoed.
 * ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Jan 9, 2008 @ 04:11 (UTC)

Use of
The use of the title template was debated in IRC, as I remember I believe the general vote was against the use of it. But some community consensus would be good. Just to note something before listing advantages/disadvantages; 90% of active Wikia wiki with users knowledgeable about WikiText, CSS, JS, and other things and also other wiki forbid the use of the title template. In addition the MediaWiki developers dislike the use of it, and also MediaWiki does have a magic word which has the purpose of changing the title, but for technical reasons which are part of the disadvantages of the title template it only works if the title there normalizes back to the normal title. In other words, the only reason that the magic word exists is so that you can see iPod instead of IPod.

Advantages

 * You can see Dark Magician instead of Dark Magician (Bandai) in a title.

Disadvantages

 * When you look at the title you aren't looking at the correct one. This can confuse readers and they may not know what page to return to if they wish to see the page again.
 * People use the title to form links to the page, if you alter the title then when they try to link to the page they only have a broken link. In the case of Dark Magician (Bandai) someone would copy the text Dark Magician and end up linking to Dark Magician which is a completely different page.
 * The CSS is unstable, there is no guarantee that the title replacement will actually show up where the title is; Skin differences could end up making it show up in a different location, a skin being changed could suddenly break all the uses, and having a Sitenotice up top could make the title replacement hover over the sitenotice instead and obscure the viewing of the sitenotice.

Discussion
There are some very heavily weighted reasons not to use the template. If the community feels the same way I can easily have the use of it from the wiki disappear without any issues through some bot work. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Oct 4, 2007 @ 22:22 (UTC)
 * By the mass majority of wiki which have had experience with this template, it has been considered a bad practice.


 * Well scrap it for pages with (Bandai), (Card), (DDM) etc. at the end of their names. I would like to have kept it for pages with # in their names like Winged Dragon, Guardian of the Fortress #1. But if it's unstable and only displays right in some skins, it may be better we scrap it altogether. I don't think we need the side notice for the ones with words in parenthesis at end. maybe for the ones with the # character (if we decide not to keep it for them). -- Deltaneos  22:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Using it on those kind of pages leads to the same issues to. Copying Winged Dragon, Guardian of the Fortress #1 on Winged Dragon, Guardian of the Fortress 1 leads you to Winged Dragon, Guardian of the Fortress because # is for an anchor and not valid in a title.
 * Yup, the whole thing is unstable, skin issues aren't the only ones. Take a look at normal monobook (Which it was designed for use in) if you have not disabled the sitenotice (Do keep in mind that Anons can't disable the sitenotice, and therefore will have this glich all the time if an Anonnotice is set): ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Oct 5, 2007 @ 00:59 (UTC)

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4886/titleglitchpg5.png
 * Is there anyone who is opposed to the complete removal of the Title template use from the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki? If no-one opposes it then we'll probably just send a bot to remove all of them and then delete the template. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Oct 24, 2007 @ 22:58 (UTC)
 * When I get around to doing bots. It's likely that I'm going to be using them to remove all uses of the Title template from pages unless someone notes not to. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 13, 2007 @ 08:12 (UTC)


 * I feel there's no reason to delete it but its not necessary. --Dragon Slayer 17:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, unnecessary. -PatPeter 17:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Categories for Attributes and Types

 * Has anyone considered trying to do this? It would help for deck building to be able to find attributes and types of cards of all kinds quickly.  Plus with the new card template, filling the categories would be fairly automatic.  Is it a good idea? Danny Lilithborne 08:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The current CardTable2 template Delta made is actually just a temporary thing. I'm going to be working on a new CardTable template (Once Wikia ACG Stuff is here, cause the coding won't work right without the Box classes or templates like ). Other than better input (Inputs like: (In no order, or from any specific monster)

| attribute = divine | level    = 3 | type     = Aqua/Spellcaster | sets     = en{Gladiator's Assault(#016), Starter Deck: Syrus Truesdale (YSDS-EN000)}; jp{Gladiator's Assault(-JP016)}; | fusion   = Dark Magician(x2) & ( Time Wizard ^ /Machine Type Monster/ ) | effect   = Flip/Trigger | lore     = FLIP: Equip this card to a monster on your opponent's side of the field and treat it as an Equip Card. Take control of the equipped monster. Your opponent gains 500 Life Points during each of their Standby Phases. ) Which would use special things to take in simple input and output complex information. Automatic categorization will also be added. Though, don't rely on the categories to much. After Wikia installs Semantic MediaWiki I will be removing the automatic categorization code and deleting the categories. Instead the types, effect types, fusion materials, etc... Will all be semantic attributes. You will be able to use the semantic browsing to look for all the cards with certain types and attributes. Even with certain types of effects and such. If you want to get a small idea of how it would look... Take a look at OntoWorld.org (Semantic MediaWiki) and look at the bottom of the page. That's a box with the semantic attributes on the page, something similar would show up here. And you could also use that to browse the info. Also, Semantic MediaWiki is even better at creating the automatic information lists than DPL is. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 14, 2007 @ 23:26 (UTC)

HI

 * DEAR CONTRIBUTORS: THE NAVIGATION TEMPLATE EXISTS. USE IT. KTHXBAI. -- Huajun Chen 02:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:Featured Card
On its Talk I mentioned the idea of changing it monthly, Delt supported it but no one else has said anything about it so I'll put it here. Please give your ideas, if you want it to be changed monthly or if you want to make the new article, and all of that here. Thank you. --Dragon Slayer 04:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Tell us your opinion!!!
What is your opinion about the Featured Card Article,that features the "Dark Magician"? User:Tyrant Slayer/Sandbox --Yugi Muto 12:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, not this time. I think we should have a Christmas themed Featured Card. -- Deltaneos 13:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Dark Magician as...featured...card? NO. ...I agree with Del. Gift Card? Christmas -> Presents. Not to mention the tiny stars in the background. -- Huajun Chen 16:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I also thought in that, but I can't found any Christmas related card, anyway I'm not going to post the Dark Magician article for now, I want other users to have their chance before, however most of the article was made thanks to User:Yugi Muto so it wasn't made properly by me. --Dragon Slayer 16:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Another thing, to you both (Huajun and Delt) and to all users in general, feel free to improve the article in my sandbox, I want it to be a super article. Thanks. --Dragon Slayer 16:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest using the Inputbox on Template talk:Featured Card and copying what's there to give you the base. I've recently updated the Featured card page to make it easier to create new cards. There's a template that does 99% of the formatting for you. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 2, 2007 @ 22:17 (UTC)
 * New suggestion made by User:Yugi Muto, what do you think of Ice Master? Well, on IRC we mentioned the idea of a Light Dragon, please give your opinion about this. --Dragon Slayer 22:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Any other suggestion? --Tyrant Slayer 20:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikia Spotlight thing
I am sick this ad that drops down under the wikia spotlight window. The ad is so long that cannot read the descriptions of many cards and I cannot remove the ad. The ad either needs to be removed or moved somewhere where it will not interfere with Yu-Gi-Oh Wikia pages.
 * It's kinda annoying, but you can click "dismiss" to hide it. Or are you mentioning something else? -Pizzaman 15:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Where do I click "dismiss"?
 * It's only avalible if you're logged in. -- Deltaneos 21:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually Pizzaman was talking about something different. You're taking about the adds that appear on the right hand side? -- Deltaneos 21:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess yes, that thing is so annoying but I think there's no way to hide it. --Dragon Slayer 04:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * All you can really do is try to refresh the page until the ad doesn't cover content any more. This particular problem affects users as well. -- Dino guy  1000  17:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Message Board
As most of users may know, we have Message Board, however it has few users and no one uses it, I want to promote its use, it can be very useful and funny. It is located here. --Tyrant Slayer 04:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually it probably be better not to. We're waiting for Wikia to fix up a few bugs with the system they got so it can be setup here. They've managed to integrate phpBB with MediaWiki and so useraccounts here can be used on the forum, and we can use WikiText there to. In the meantime, I can setup the DPL Forums if you want? ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local  (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 10, 2007 @ 06:41 (UTC)
 * It would be better in that case, thanks Dantman. --Tyrant Slayer 00:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Done, you can go to Forum:Index to use the DPL Forums. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 12, 2007 @ 09:13 (UTC)
 * Excellent job Dantman, with this there's no need to use the old one. --Tyrant Slayer 20:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Moving Pages
Okay everybody, listen up.

When an English episode airs or a English set is released, you all realise the names used may differ from the ones we have. So the nicest thing it seems you can do is click "move" and move it to the new title. It's not as simple as that! Everything has to be relinked. click "What links here" in the toolbox, to find all pages that link to the old title and fix them. In the case of Card Articles. Any existing Card Galleries, Card Rulings, Card Errata, Card Tips, Anime and Manga Appearances and Card Trivia pages also have to be moved and images have to be reuploaded with the new names. Please remember to fix these when you move pages. -- Deltaneos 12:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)