Yu-Gi-Oh!:Community Portal/Archive One

Why are we here?
The answer is simple, yet complex. Some of us are here to aid in cataloging all the cards that exist. Others because we love everything about it. In many ways, we seek to integrate everything we see in sites like Ideal808, Upper Deck Entertainment, the Yu-Gi-Oh Info on Netrep, GameFAQs, and info from sites like Pojo and Metagame. Also these sites could help Manjyome Thunder, Shriek, Janime and [http://yugiohfans.co.uk/.html Yu-Gi-Oh! Fans]

To integrate all the reference material you see there... that is our goal. To be the best and most dedicated website in existence to all players and fans alike of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Universe, and above all, to be totally 100% free to use and quote material from.

Database Update
We are currently in the process of updating the image database in accordance with our new Image Policy. During this time, some images may be unavailable.

Please do not be offended if images you have contributed disappear from the list available under the "My Contributions" tab on your user space. To standardize filenames, images must be downloaded, saved under the new name format, and then re-uploaded. Although this does remove your credit byline from the image page, it does NOT affect your overall contributions.

Contributors
To make contact easier with the main Site Maintainers, here is a list of contact details for members that wouldn't mind lending a hand to new people:

Bureaucrat


 * TwoTailedFox (TwoTailedFox@Gmail.com)

Admins


 * Narchibald84 (narchibald84@hotmail.com)
 * Pcouw (drrichardsaari@hotmail.com)
 * Vyse24 (Vyse2487@Gmail.com)
 * LeafGreen Ranger
 * AnnaV
 * Van Ludwig
 * Deus Ex Machina
 * Deltaneos‎

Volunteers
 * Andersmusician
 * Tyrant Slayer

Japanese names
For the cards, would it be possible to provide Romanized and translated (if not already in English) names?--208.252.179.26 03:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I eventually plan to offer an English Name -> Japanese Name -> Translated Japanese Names tabled at some point. Stay tuned.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 11:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Tagged Images
Would it be possible to use the new tagged image thing for card trivia, etc? (See example at Image:ReinforcementoftheArmyLOD-EN-SR.jpg.) --Miff Falden(tlk 03:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi everyone, dont know what you mean here miff thefox, about images I think we should add some fair use license template, for not breaking the law, what do you think? --Andersmusician $  00:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Making lists more useful
The current state of lists seems a bit unsatisfactory to me. Leaving aside bad formatting and incompleteness, it's the scarcity of information which annoys me most. There's the card names followed by centimeters, even inches, of blank, unused screen space.

What about giving basic statistics for each card in the lists? We can even make tables and thx to techies running Wikia, even sortable tables (see User:Pjacobi/tabledemo). I'm rather puzzled, why class="sortable" is available but class="prettytable" doesn't work. Perhaps because the latter is left to the individual Wikias.

Of course such a change would be a lot more realistic, if these enhanced list can be generated offline from some database or on this Wiki using a bot or a bot-assisted editor.

Pjacobi 15:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Image request
Hi. If anyone could get card images of: That'd be just great. Rodtheanimegod4ever 01:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Carat Idol
 * Larva of Moth
 * Pupa of Moth

THIS IS URGENT!

 * hey can sum1 put in the new episodes 4 season 4? -- edited by:Ogi [[Image:Wind.gif]]
 * Technically, Season 4 is not out yet. We're still in Season 3.  Minhtam2448 23:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't use "This is urgent" for non urgent matters. Thanks.


 * Hey, if i have a bazoo the soul eater(with the historical text version), then can i use it with the 'remove cards from graveyard' effect instead of 'remove monster from graveyard' effect if i want to play it in an official way? Need someone to clarify this ASAP as i need to rebuild my deck. thanks. -- edited by Czl1992
 * Go by whatever's on the most recent text, regardless of which text is on your card. In this case, you can only remove monsters for Bazoo's effect, no matter which card you use. --Deltaneos 10:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Fusion

 * I move to add a section of monster card pages to indicate what a monster can be fused into. Especially with E-heroes, this could potentially save a lot of confusion. You know, just an idea... --Phred 19:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In fact, couldn't this be added to the Monster's Trivia? Just a "This monster fuses with X to form Y" Could be potentially useful! --Phred 20:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Ironoid

 * I'm iffy on the card Ironoid. There are no other websites with this card nor has anyone ever even seen the artwork. Google comes up with 10 searches; two of them our own site and the other 8 random sites not pertaining to Yu-Gi-Oh in any way or manner. -- Huajun Chen 15:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Yu-Gyo.com doesn't have it, people selling every other DM1 card on ebay don't have it, that cute little site where I got our first pictures of PG, TP, and FOTM doesn't have it, Pojo's never heard of it, etc. etc. My guess, this id just another rumor, like "Dark Master Exodia" or "Foam Neos". I'll remove my request for it and terminate all links to it. then, someone can delete it. Rodtheanimegod4ever 21:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Disagreement in extremis! At times, it actually helps to LOOK at sites before condemning them. For example: Just because you can't find a picture of something doesn't ALWAYS mean it doesn't exist!
 * - gives full details on Capsule Monster: Breed and Battle, and lists promo cards...which happen to include "ｱｲｱﾉｲﾄﾞ" (Ironoid)
 * - someone who actually HAS the card in question has it listed on their trade site
 * --Narchibald84 09:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * LATE. -- Huajun Chen 13:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Notice to contributors and mods
If you were wondering just what in the holy hell I’ve been doing the past three days, filling up the Recent Changes section with a gazillion categorization edits, let me explain: TwoTailedFox recently stated “categorization slows a wiki down” or something among those lines. While I agree with that statement, I still think some form of organization is necessary for this website to flourish.

Merged Pages and Categories

 * Gameplay: The Basic and Advanced Gameplay categorizes have been combined into one mega-category. The numerous sub-categorizes that were formerly part of the Basic Gameplay have been cut down and also been moved to the mainstream Gameplay category. This new category is very broad—the whole reason why I underwent major revamping—but its border is thick enough to separate the term “replay” from pages in a whole other realm.


 * OTK, FTK, Lockdown: Notice how these three items no longer have categories? That’s because they’ve either they have become a deck type or moved to their respective Card Trivia pages. There’s no such thing as a lockdown without a deck built around it or an OTK that doesn’t require less than two cards.


 * Anime Terminology: Pages like “KaibaCorp”, “Electrodes”, and “Armor of Unity” have been merged and classified into their respective pages, depending on which series they belong in. The exception to this is the Millennium Items, seeing as they’re practically the symbolic centerpieces of the original anime.


 * Character Pages: The Ghouls, the Society of Light, the Yu-Gi-Oh! GX minor characters, etc, have all been merged.


 * Card Lists: Remember the massive amount of card lists we had just a few months ago? Notice how they aren’t there any more? Because really…how many people will type in “card lists” in the search engine? Isn’t it so much simpler to put information directly in front of them, rather than make them do all the work and searching? It’s because either:
 * They have been converted into templates. (Ex: Amazoness card list, Ninja card list, BEWD card list)
 * Deleted, because they’re useless. (Ex: Vampire card list, Sphinx card list)
 * Moved to their appropriate content page and abridged under a dynamic box, the same ones we use for the character decks (Ex: Counter Trap Cards card list, Field Spell Cards card list)

Card Trivia

 * Some people seem to not understand what "card trivia" is. The following is accounted as card trivia:
 * The Japanese name of a card (Ex: Sangan is called “Critter” in Japan.) There are a million and a half ways to translate Kanji into English. Before you add in a Japanese name on a trivia page, first check it up on Google or another search engine to make sure it’s widely accepted in the fandom. An example of this would be Graceful Charity’s Japanese name. It can be correctly translated into “Angel’s Charity”, “Angelic Charity”, or even “Angelic Almsgiving”. However, the most widely known Japanese name for Graceful Charity is “Angel’s Gift”.
 * Ties to historical background such as religion, literature, art, or geography.
 * The cover pages of booster packs, etc. that the card appears on. (Example: Archlord Zerato is the cover page for Ancient Sanctuary booster.)
 * Artwork censoring, in terms of sexual suggestiveness, religious offense, etc., from the OCG to TCG. Most censors include taking out the halos of fairy-type monsters, covering up the cleavage of female monsters, the demon horns taken off fiend-type monsters, or taking out the crucifix. (Examples: Shining Angel had a halo)
 * Redrawn card artwork. (Examples: Otohime, Soul of the Pure)
 * Progressive storylines that a series of cards tell. (Warrior Lady of the Wasteland was once D.D. Warrior Lady after being returned from the different dimension as seen in Karma Cut and Different Dimension Gate.)
 * Other card artwork that the card has appeared in. (Example: The man from Second Coin Toss appears in the artwork of Goblin Out of the Frying Pan, holding a Gust Fan, and alongside Goblin of Greed who has a Pot of Greed in his hands.)
 * Picture counterparts or “brothers” that resemble each other in terms of physical body features, outfits, weapons, but not necessarily, (and rarely), in color. (Example: Dryad looks like Lady of Faith.)


 * What does not count as card trivia:
 * “This card resembles a turtle”.
 * This card is spelt “so-and-so” in the video game “whatever” no longer attributes as card trivia. Misspelled video game card translations and wry card effects are now going to be distributed into their respective video games pages reserved to game glitches only.
 * The attack name of a monster. (Example: In the anime, Cyber Dragon’s attack is called “Super Strident Blast”.)
 * The different effect that a card has in the anime that’s not in the TCG. (Example: In the anime, Card of Sanctity allowed both players to draw until they have six cards in their hands.) Don’t get me wrong: This is very valuable information and we’re glad you can share it with us. However, any differences in the Anime from the TCG will be listed strictly on the Anime and Manga Appearances page rather than the trivia page.

Vandalizing

 * Vandalizing: Yes, Alexis’ boobs are big. It’s nice to know. We’ve gotten over half a dozen dickwads concerning her sex life with Jaden on her character page and that’s only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to all the reverting of vandalized pages some of us had to undergo from the multitude losers who apparently have nothing better to do than replace entire pages of content with jjswg. Please. Go jerk off to more hentai; we don’t need you here.
 * Anonymous vandalizing — We catch you up to doing no good and we ban you for anywhere from an hour (hopefully you’ll get off that library/school computer by then) to a week.
 * Logged In Vandalizing — If you have an account and are found disturbing the peace on this site, you will be banned. For an infinite amount of expiration time. You can never edit. Here. Ever. Again. So don’t do it, ok?

A new idea

 * I'd like to hear some opinions on getting a YGO Wiki-only IRC channel. (That is, if Fox approves of the idea, first. ;P) What do you think of that? It'll communicating much easier than just simply using talk pages. Maybe some of you can settle the reverting battles much quicker this way. XDD;;

Quesions? Comments? Suggestions? -- Huajun Chen 19:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That's a nice idea. Wikia ACG has it's own channel, The Gaiapedia has a channel to (Though that's basically inactive). And I've registered a number of other ones. So if TwoTailedFox doesn't know how to, I can register the channel, and drop myself down to Alternate+Access and give him Contact status. ^_^ I'm also known in #wikia for using my own special  and   commands to quickly deal with flooders and other IRC spammers. That, along with the phpBB forums which have been requested to be installed here once a permissions bug is fixed would make for very nice methods of communication for users in the wiki. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local  (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 18, 2007 @ 11:09 (UTC)


 * Man, you're smart. But for the rest of us who didn't graduate from geek alpha squad academy, please translate all of that into English. -- Huajun Chen 11:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikia ACG and The Gaiapedia have their own channels I've registered.
 * I can register one for the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki if TwoTailedFox doesn't know how to use ChanServ (What's used for registering a channel). Then drop my status down to second/alternate while giving TwoTailedFox primary control over the channel.
 * I have 2 special commands for my own use called  and   which help stop spam in the IRC like how rollback allows us to kill spam in one click instead of 2 or 3 here in the wiki.
 * An IRC Channel is a nice idea that will fit in with the phpBB Forums that will be installed here when the Wikia Tech Team fixes something wrong with them.
 * Got nothing to do with geeks... You started talking about IRC Channels, and I used IRC Language. Hang around in IRC and you'll pick up those terms allot. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 18, 2007 @ 14:26 (UTC)
 * (Didn't notice the Timestamp till now) Though there is something I should note. The IRC page has some bad things which should be fixed:
 * mIRC isn't the only client, in fact there are plenty of other ones to use. You can also access IRC through the web.
 * Also, it may be a good idea to move the channel to FreeNode.
 * All of the wikia which have IRC channels use FreeNode. Not just for some sort of tradition but for some very good reasons;
 * Wikia's own IRC channel is actually located on FreeNode, not only that but Wikia itself is registered as a group there and FreeNode is the official place for any Wikia project using IRC.
 * Because Wikia's #wikia channel is located on FreeNode, the advanced support for things that users of this wiki can't help with isn't available by simply saying to someone "Just use  for more help." if you're not on the same network.
 * There's also a very large reason using FreeNode is a good idea. Wikia has it's own CGI:IRC client located at http://irc.wikia.com so in other words, as long as the channel is located on FreeNode any user of the wiki can simply go to http://irc.wikia.com and connect to any of the Wikia channels without downloading a program. There's also http://java.freenode.net for a little better web client.
 * ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 18, 2007 @ 14:59 (UTC)


 * 100% support behind a Freenode YGO Wiki IRC. I'm not familiar with how to use ChavServ, since I've never managed an IRC channel.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 17:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, register a nick with NickServ for yourself TwoTailedFox on FreeNode and I'll set everything up for the channel. Which do you want I think I'll put #yu-gi-oh as the channel and redirect #yugioh to it also. Tell me when you have your Nick and I'll transfer the channel to you. I don't know how active you are, but I'll keep myself as alternate so that if your nick expires and someone takes it I'll automatically be set as Contact for the channel instead of having it suddenly disappear. I'm on nearly every day so don't worry about me expiring. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 18, 2007 @ 18:23 (UTC)
 * I setup the channel and put up a new IRC page. I also tweaked the Sidebar. When the phpBB forums are setup we can also set MediaWiki:Forum-url to the location of the forums and it'll show up in the sidebar. Have any of you ever used a Mailing list? Wikia wikis have mailing lists associated with them, if you want we can set that up for use and also link to it from the sidebar. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 18, 2007 @ 19:04 (UTC)


 * We have one set up, but I don't believe it's ever been used. Oh, btw, I already have "TwoTailedFox" on Freenode. ^^--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 19:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikia ACG
Summary: The Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is considering joining Wikia ACG, below is some information on what technical things in the project or policies will change as a result. Links to more information on the project after the list.

I didn't intend to mention Wikia ACG to the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki until the project had grown a good deal, but TwoTailedFox seamed pretty interested in joining the project, so I guess I'll ask the community for some feedback on this and detail what would end up changed: Theres a bit of information on the project at What will happen?, Anime:Extended information, and Wikia ACG Terminology and the project page is at Wikia ACG. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 18, 2007 @ 23:45 (UTC)
 * The Project uses a set of bots to sync various things across all the wiki in the project:
 * There are some pages that these bots would overwrite here:
 * Template:Delete would be overwritten by Anime:Template:Delete.
 * Template:Disambig would be overwritten by Anime:Template:Disambig.
 * And Template:Stub would be overwritten by Anime:Template:Stub.
 * Also, the Anime:Template:Fair use may have a few more options for use than your Template:FairUse but they are different titles so yours won't be overwritten.
 * There are a number of licensing templates for use also. Along with a number of interesting other ones.
 * Also, the images inside of w:c:Naruto:Images/noedit will show up here.
 * I haven't finished enough work on TagSyncBot yet to let me exclude UserBoxes from being synced so all the ones at Anime:Project:Userboxes/listing will show up here. But, when I fix things up extras that don't fit can be excluded.
 * Wikia ACG Has a set of Global JS/CSS that will be referenced:
 * A new Show/Hide will be working.
 * I have a special Box class for CSS which is very nice for doing styles for tables and other boxes and templates.
 * If you want to use them, there is a good bit of preloaded JS that work nice for userscripts that do things like adding tabs, tabmenus, etc... And it's possible to add my BasicTabs and even WikiSwitch systems.
 * Wikia ACG does have some global policies, but I don't think any should really be a problem:
 * Copyrights: This is just the basic copyrights page, it's more of a shared page so that other projects don't half to bother creating one.
 * Fair use policy: The basic Fair use policy, but we normally wave the act of tagging each and every image for those wiki which have been around awhile and have a few hundred images already.
 * Jump start from Wikipedia policy: The policy does talk about starting articles from Wikipedia articles, but that goes on a "Don't reinvent the wheel, unless it needs reinventing" motto and the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is already more comprehensive than Wikipedia so that doesn't really apply.
 * Some community feedback/input/confirmation would be nice. Even though TwoTailedFox says that he likes the idea we can't really go ahead without feedback from the community. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 21, 2007 @ 16:38 (UTC)
 * Just a small note but, as the 25 will make it a full week that this has been up right on the main Community Portal where everyone looks. And pointed out on both the Main Page and in a Sitenotice. Since the Founder and most active admins agree with the idea they do intend to go ahead with this without feedback if no-one posts any feedback, or even a question by tomorrow. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 24, 2007 @ 13:00 (UTC)


 * All you editors out there: Comment! Even to support this idea, we at least want a general idea of the support this idea has amongst you.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 21:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * At the moment I see no reason to support or not to support it. It could cause more problems or make things easier. It is a double edged sword. Big Boss 0 21:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In response to the potential to cause problems, remember you guys will have a say in how Wikia ACG affects its members in general and Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki in particular. So hopefully when a problem emerges and has been identified, it can also be resolved via the involvement of the communities. -Afker 22:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ^_^ That was actually addressed off page: User talk:TwoTailedFox, User talk:Big Boss 0. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 25, 2007 @ 22:43 (UTC)
 * Well I sort off like the idea and I agree with Dantman that it needs community support to progress further.."Go Ahead..Make my Day" ..-- Cometstyles 21:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really see what difference it will make. As long as the way things are entered doesn't change...too much, at least...I'm sort of neutral on the issue.
 * --Narchibald84 13:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * We can make a list of the advantages and disadvantages it will cause, then we would be able to see if it is better to support the ACG Project or continue the Wikia in the way it is. I can't make the list because I don't know much about this, but maybe another person like an administrator can do that. What do you think guys? --Dragon Slayer 20:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I can't really come up with a good list, I've already listed out the pages with information, and made checks to make sure that nothing on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki collides badly with anything that Wikia ACG Shares. But I'll try to list the different types of WikiText/JS/CSS additions that would be added (Even though those pages I've pointed to already give that information, if anyone would actually care to read them...)
 * Wikia ACG deals in 2 main things... Shared content that makes it easier for wiki even without good technically knowledgeable editors to have useful complex templates and other js and css. And a unification of wiki; Primarily through some global policies that the projects in the wiki have in common and agree on (None of the current ones interfere with the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki, and by joining the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki will have input into the creation of future ones, so there's no issue with policies), and through backlinking (Basically all the wiki in the project link back to the central wiki in the project, and the central wiki in the project link out to all the focused wiki; Kinda like a web, it makes it easier for similar wiki to be found and theoretically helps spread out both readers and editors to all the wiki). Heres some of the bits of shared content:

That's about all I can think of right now... ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 27, 2007 @ 00:33 (UTC)
 * WikiText (Synced Templates): See Category:Templates/shared, Category:TagSynced.
 * Well I don't know about to many specifically useful ones, but there are a few nice synced templates that are generally helpful.
 * There is a Deletion template here, but there is actually a shared deletion template used in Wikia ACG which has more options and is pretty useful itself. Works for normal and speedy deletion, as well as a has a optional reason field, change of the discussion page displayed, and preloaded reasons that I can add more to if you want.
 * is a useful template to use when explaining things about other templates. If you were talking about the deletion template you'd use And you'd get something like  where it was linked to, didn't need any tags, could easily be copied, and it also lets you list out a large number of parameters that should be displayed in that example, as well as a prefix if you are talking about something that should be substed or is used in another method
 * The general See also, Main, Spoiler, Stub, etc... templates are all synced so no-one needs to create them if needed. As well as a useful directory template.
 * There's just something I would like to note about all the templates. I've actually done quite a lot of work on them... Templates like actually combine the uses where a wiki would normally create templates called GFDL, FAL, GPL, LGPL, etc... And also let those do different things by creating even more templates like GFDL-self. As with that one, there are a lot of templates that I have in Wikia ACG which are similar or derived from normally used Wikipedia templates, but have been considerably improved. Including combining many similar templates into a single one. And expanding what most of them can do.
 * Common pages: There are some common pages put in central locations so that each wiki in the project doesn't need to define half the terms or bits of information there are.
 * Articles for General but applicable terms like Anime, Manga, etc... Would be made on the main wiki in the project so every wiki with an anime series doesn't need to define what anime is on their own wiki.
 * Same goes for Genre and various bits of generally used terminology.
 * CSS
 * I normally create a Color Scheme for a wiki as I need to add some neutralizing css to a Wiki's Monobook so that the global css doesn't break anything. Of course wiki like the AliceSoftWiki can always opt out from a color scheme designed individually for the wiki as the neutralizing css I add can simply use the normal colors that you see on the wiki, but generally a color scheme is nice as it normally makes a wiki a more comfortable place to be.
 * There was a discussion on MediaWiki talk:Common.css and you'll see mentions of my Box class and other css classes. They're quite useful and versatile things that eliminate the need to use a lot of useless templates or do a lot of hand styling to tables and other things in articles. It also standardizes various templates and things so that it's much easier to change them around when needed.
 * JS
 * There are some preloaded JS things which make it much easier for users to add nice custom tools for their use in their User JS. Mainly if you copy most my own global js there's a useful tab system there, including my WikiSwitch which makes using multiple wiki much easier.
 * There's also a Show/Hide system in Wikia ACG's JS. The one here on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki is actually broken, and also doesn't activate when you're in any skin other than Monobook. So those users using Wikia's new and very handy Quartz skins won't have as pleasant a time on the wiki.
 * Also for a little help, I've also got a script there that makes the Edittools box collapsible and makes that persist that way for them, for those who don't want that in their way.
 * I haven't flushed out all the bugs yet, but I've used the YUI that Wikia is loading to create a tab system. So using some classes and elements in the WikiText of the page could separate content into separate tabs.
 * I haven't been here very long (and actually haven't contributed much except on my userpage), but I see many benefits to joining the Wikia ACG, and few reasons not to. --Dinoguy1000 What?I did it! 17:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, just wanted to make clear that if the purpose of joining ACG are just technical issues of the 'MediaWiki' that could be fixed by some technicians just here, then that's not enough reason other than be together with them. You also say that image and content templates are some other reasons for joining them, we could also make some similar ones here. I just dont see any reason for a merging of the 2 projects by now.--Andersmusician $  14:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, you and Dinoguy1000 actually are going on the same list of reasons. Both of you note the few reasons that point either way, but say two different opinions on it. Basically it's a case of the classic "Is the cup 'half full' or 'half empty'?" debate. Two even sets of reasons where people pick one based on their general outlook.
 * But firstly, it's not exactly a Project merging with a project. It's a wiki, joining into a project made up of a large group of wiki. The project itself doesn't have a real central location at the moment (till the ACG Wiki is created) but I'd say joining in fits more than merging.
 * The technical things are just what I focus on because the majority of issues I find with a wiki coming into the project is that it may have templates or various types of organization that could make it that if the automated parts of the project were run on the wiki, it could break the site. And because I don't want to break a wiki nice enough to join I look over everything to make sure that running things on the wiki won't mess anything up.
 * There's of course other things than the technical things. But first, before I go of the technical stuff I should note somethings.
 * The templates and other things used in Wikia ACG have been made in special ways. They use some techniques that as a result may end up breaking if you pull them out of the project without working with things that they depend on. So the best way to get those things into a wiki is not to copy them but to join the project. Majorly these techniques I mention are ones that make the templates work nicely in a customized way even when they are duplicated identically onto dozens of different wiki.
 * Also, if you decide to copy from elsewhere you may not actually be getting very good things, a lot of Wikipedia templates break when copied to Wikia, and not only that, but they're also poorly done for the most part because wide use stops changes from being made to improve the templates.
 * Technicians here on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki!? The Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki has been running on bare bones for quite some time because there are no such technicians here who can deal with the advanced techniques and other things in WikiText, JS, or even CSS.
 * But off the technical stuff, the project isn't all technical, it's largely a community thing. The focus is to give every Anime, Manga, Comic, Cartoon, and related Game universe it's own area for complete documentation. Giving the larger ones individual wiki, and the smaller ones not big enough a Mini-wiki area. And unification/navigation is part of it all. All the wiki in the project link back to the main wiki, which in turn has many links linking out to the other wiki in the project. The idea is that instead of making the readers or editors half to to to the central Wikia to find other wiki, instead they can go back to the general wiki in the project, and easily find the other wiki or Mini-wiki which are related. It helps spread out both readers and editors. In addition to that, another portion of unification is not pointlessly doing things over and over. Instead of having each and every wiki go through the same set of startup issues, and other midway issues. If a problem was encountered in one place and a solution was found, then that could be made globally so that other wiki don't end up running into the same issue. Even going back to the technical bit, even if the wiki did have some technical users that's nothing compared to having technical people on multiple wiki combining efforts and solving problems globally from one spot so that no-one else needs to run into them. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Oct 4, 2007 @ 04:34 (UTC)


 * I don't see why to change something that is good in the way it is, I'm neutral about this. --Dragon Slayer 03:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * However there are many good advantages in joining the ACG. Go ahead, anyway, both options are good. --Dragon Slayer 05:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so that's an ok from TwoTailedFox, Cometstyles, Dinoguy1000, Dragon Slayer, and a ok from Hajun Chen (See the supports in the Prefix to Namespaces section). A neutral from Narchibald84. And Andersmusician is the only one who doesn't see the reason.
 * That seems alright, but I'll just note something. Trying to copy over the systems will not have very good results. Many of the systems are coded together and depend on each other. Miss a portion of it and everything breaks. You also won't have any benefits from the fact that we sync things. Because of us syncing things to wiki in the project it actually means that if one wiki has an idea for something that can be improved in a template or system, that improvement is applied on all wiki in the project. And because of that all the wiki benefit. The other thing to note, is actually that much of what is on Wikia ACG is very unique. Consider almost everything on Wikia ACG a semi-stable alpha. Completely new and unique things that you will find almost nowhere else. Doing things yourself won't have the same results. Oh ya, also I'm going to be improving some things here as requested and noted (For starting, the Navigation template will be improved, and I'm going to be working on a special CardTable which will work better than all the others) but the thing is those won't go to well without the Wikia ACG stuff, much of what is there is a bit of a toolkit of mine that improves coding of good templates. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 13, 2007 @ 08:09 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm getting poked repeatedly by the admins of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki in the IRC Channel about how long it is taking for the wiki to join Wikia ACG. So since there's only one person who doesn't see the point and the rest support it I'll give it a week. If by Thursday November 22, 2007 no-one has added any more discussion or negative feedback then we'll consider the wiki joined and start work on setting up the Wikia ACG stuff on here. In the meantime we do welcome supporting comments. Even if you are just saying * Support and signing your name it helps. What matters here is a general view of what the community wants. That's what staff like to see. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 16, 2007 @ 06:29 (UTC)


 * Alright, There's things I'm unclear about.
 * Templates: If we join we: overwrite templates with templates that do... the same thing. The fair use one has more options, but we could easily add them or similar ones.
 * Extra images: You gave a broken link. I think you meant w:c:Category:Naruto:Images/noedit. Yes pretty, I suppose we could use them, but need them.
 * Userboxes: Meh, I'm not pushed if we get any or not.
 * New show/hide function: Ok this I'm interested in. What's different about this one?
 * New tables: Sounds useful. Have you got links to examples?
 * And what actually happens when we join? Is the syntax just copied and pasted straight from one wiki to another or some crazy ass other thing done? What's the difference between joining and just copying from the common.css, common.js pages and some of the templates and uploading those images ourselves?
 * So what I'm basically looking at is a new show/hide and new tables. We are doing fine with the old ones and haven't you said, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" and "Don't reinvent the wheel"? But overall there's nothing wrong with getting new stuff and I guess we could still improve certain formats using them. Just tell me, would it interfere with anything we already have (aside from overwriting the delete, stub and disambig templates)?
 * And finally since Wikia ACG is dedicated to creating a unified network of Wikia about anime, manga, cartoons, comics and games. Does it affect or create a relationship between wikias involved or would it just mean that we would be using the same stuff as them? --Deltaneos 14:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've gotta say, Deltaneos, this is rather interesting timing for bringing up these issues. If I may, I'd like to respond to a few of them:
 * Templates: True, overwriting them to get a few extra options that could be manually added seems like overkill. However, in the long run, overwriting them with templates that are already fully developed and tested saves a lot of time and effort versus adding, testing, and tweaking new features manually. As you yourself said above (when you quoted Dantman), there's no reason to reinvent the wheel.
 * Extra Images: You gave a broken link as well. The correct link would be w:c:Naruto:Category:Images/noedit (and the original category would be w:c:En.Anime:Category:Images/noedit). Other than that, I really don't have anything to add on this issue... I've used up my daily Geek Point, though... ^_^;;
 * Userboxes: 'Ey, man, don't be hatin' none on dem userboxen, they're da bomb! (horrible, I know...)
 * I think that's pretty much all I've got to say, except to once again ponder your impeccable sense of timing... --Dinoguy1000 What?I did it! 17:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * My only real concern is an appropriate replacement for Template:CardTable2. Yes, it's ugly, yes, it's a bitch to debug, but the upside is, it works. I'm concerned that if we replace this, we will wind up with something that a) Is even harder to reprogram and re-code and b) Will actually look worse than what we have. Delta and I have got it to a stage where it's been tried and tested with all permutations of card pages, and I don't want to see all that hard work go to waste. Any replacement for that template has to 100% duplicate what we currently display.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 18:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Templates/Syncing/Styles/Scripts
 * Two words... Sync Bots... Copy and Paste would lead to things ending up out of date. Delete, Disambig, and Stub are the only ones which overlap and would be overwritten. The others noted are just cases where you'll have 2, one which works better than the other. Take a look at a page like Anime:Template:See also. And look at that TagSync area at the bottom. I'm programming a new Sync Bot (When it's finished I'll release the code as I have done with all the other bots) to replace the other ones. The old one doing templates was AutoTemplateBot. But the new one is TagSyncBot. The main feature is how just by tagging a page with the template on the main Wikia ACG wiki the templates will be synced out. as the primary one which syncs the page to all wiki in the project.
 * This technique is the one that works best currently. Hopefully in the future a proper system will be created on Wikia that will allow for better working templates transcluded across Wikia.
 * As for the CSS & JS. Those aren't done using Sync bots. Luckly CSS has @import and JS can write in new script tags to import other scripts. So basically we just add a bit to the top of the various css and js files. And then all the wiki in the project share the same stuff from the central location. And when those get updated, they're updated elsewhere. Take a look at Anime:MediaWiki:Anime-Common.js, Anime:MediaWiki:Anime-Common.css, and Anime:MediaWiki:Anime-Monobook.css. Those are what we have for now. (I'm using one of my unique techniques on those to keep the sections of stuff on separate pages, but at the same time make it so that for the most part only one page is loaded).


 * Extra Images & Userboxes
 * Most of the synced images are ones which are used in the shared templates and userboxes. Things will get a bit easier later when I add the category and image sync features to the TagSyncBot, then things will be a little more optional. For now they're just an extra thing that is used in some cases and also is just there if wanted.


 * Show/Hide
 * The current one here is out of date. This is actually an update. Last time I checked the one on Wikipedia was more up to date than the one here. But I've added in a few minor extras anyways. The quote was "Don't reinvent the wheel, unless it needs reinventing." In other words. Don't re-do something from scratch if someone else has already done the major part of the work for you to use. The Show/Hide we have is derived from the newer Wikipedia one with some upgrades. So that's what it is going along. Syntax is still the same so nothing will break from that. (I'd actually like to note that the Show/Hide appears broken here when I try and use it).


 * Tables
 * The tables you're mentioning are my very special Box Class system. If you want examples, take a look at 90% of the pages on the Animepedia; The Main Page uses the navtable element class and the type-nav color class. The Wikipedia template along with all our other shared templates use the box class to define their element's areas. And if you take a look at an article (Using a Narutopedia article since we don't have any table lists on the Animepedia) like List of Ninjutsu you'll see the system in action for tables. Then all the Infoboxes also use the Box classes. But you really half to experiment to figure out how much you can actually do with the Box classes. I designed this awhile ago, and it's served quite a good use. It replaces 90% of the css styling you'll ever need to do with a series of css classes which you can change around to suit different purposes. The best example I can give you is this Anime:Project:SandboxBox.


 * Community
 * It's not just stuff. It is also community. Aside from taking policies which are common to all the wiki in the project and making them global policies for all the projects. There is a bit of community interaction. Right now, basically all the wiki in the project have a section in the Sidebar linking back to the main wiki. From there we try to link out to all the wiki in the project from articles on those subjects and avoid doing the full documentation on the general wiki in favor of it being done on the focused wiki. But the general idea is that by linking from the other wiki to the main, then having the main wiki link to all the others. We create a bit of a web where both readers and editors are able to find new wiki they didn't know about and would be interested in. Without going all the way to Central which can be a bit intimidating for some people. Also there is some assurance that some things will be done similarly on the other wiki, so it's easier for editors to move from one wiki to another. (In the hopes that that both helps all the wiki in the project attract readers, and share editors)


 * CardTable
 * I'm actually building a new system. The iBox. Basically I'm taking most of the syntax used to create Infobox parts like those in my infobox systems at Anime:Template:Infobox, and putting those into templates. And using those it's quite simple to create infoboxes out of them without needing to learn all the syntax for the tables in the infoboxes. I'll be making some tweaks to that to allow for those boxes to be extended into info tables. That way the CardTable template can be made out of combinations of those to make them easy to modify. I think I'll also create some template hooks for special tricks I use the StringFunctions for. We'll make sure that the options of the new template have everything inside of the CardTable2 Template. It'll be styled with classes and should end up with nicer looks.
 * ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 17, 2007 @ 09:57 (UTC)

CSS and JS
Well, even if we ultimately don't join the Wikia ACG, would there be any objections to copying over at least some of the global CSS and JS? From what I can see, there shouldn't be any problems with doing that... --Dinoguy1000 What?I did it! 16:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)