User talk:Dinoguy1000/Archive/2011/12

Duel Terminal on chat
I have a thing we should do on the chat: Duel Terminal where you can duel all you want! I want to rebuild the oringinal Duel Terminal idea from TwoTailedFox. Message me for ideas. --I&#39;m the Haitian Seto Kaiba. Deal with it. (talk • contribs) 19:59, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't really have much to do with chat, I'm afraid. Deltaneos or Cheesedude might be able to help you more than I could; they're both on chat more often than me. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:06, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't people use chat to Duel anyway? Generally, someone is using chat to Duel any time I log onto it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:44, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's actually what it seems like to me too. I prefer IRC for this reason; people can duel on a separate channel and not clog up the main channel, and also not run the risk of their duel being interrupted by sudden spats of activity. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:58, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Right. I prefer neither, since I just don't talk much. I never have much to say in relation to what goes on in either place, since I don't play the TCG anyway.
 * EgyptianDuelist, can you explain what you mean in more detail? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:20, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd be on them more often, but they're productivity sinks for me - when I'm on, I have to obsessively follow all discussion to see if there's anything interesting happening (though it's worse for Wikia chat than for IRC, since the former has no way of alerting you on pings, which means if you don't constantly check back there's a chance you'll miss some question directed at you)... =P 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:38, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Removing "(disambiguation)"
Could you move Obelisk (disambiguation) as well? I don't know how to move over a redirect. v_v --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 15:41, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Got it. Non-admins can only move pages over redirects if there's a single edit in the redirect's history, which is why you couldn't do it in this case. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:46, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * That explains how I saw a non-administrator moved a page then; it must not have had any edits in its history. Thanks. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:52, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

One with the Shadow
Thanks for shut him up. That user is quite inappropriate to make a comment like that. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:55, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem. In cases like that, it's often best to just revert and ignore (unless they're doing a lot of it, in which case the procedure changes to "revert, block, ignore"). =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:21, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am aware of that, I learned that important lesson of "trolling" other user like that. And do you know the reference on the topic I used? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:25, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're talking about; what topic, where? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:40, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * XD "One with the Shadow" is what I am pointing to. lolwtfbbq -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:49, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, that. I thought you were perhaps referring to me being stealthy or something like that. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:51, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea, that's the achievement you will have to release in recently release game - Elder Scroll V: Skyrim. It's an Thieves base achievement. :| -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:00, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Aah, that makes sense. I didn't know that, since I don't have Skyrim and haven't played it at all (though my brother does and has). Game-wise, I prefer Minecraft most of the time anyways. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:03, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pretty much, it's actually difficult achievement to unlocked along with "Criminal Master" and 100k coin for "Golden Touch". -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:50, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Raw Victory Condition
Am I doing it right? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:45, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks pretty good; I touched it up for you. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:52, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * So that's one broken card ever release into the OCG/TCG universe? Can't be negated at ALL? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:01, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * According to the effect posted by Shriek. We'll see if it holds up in its actual release (and the inevitable ensuing TCG release). =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:05, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

New Article
Ah thank you for unscrew it up into correct line. I have no sense of japan word around here. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:56, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem, though I'm not much better, to be honest - at best, I can go by visually comparing characters and seeing what Google Translate has to say. ;P 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:19, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * You got some japan knowledge, where I can't reach. Though I am a Copycat - I am not much of speaker. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:48, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox issue
Is there any way to get the "manga debut" parameter in Infobox/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Character to work with non-numerical chapter names? Masumi Momono debuts in Yu-Gi-Oh! R - Duel Round SP1 and Dr. Faker debuts in Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Rank SP1. Using the template like I would for any other chapter borks the page, so I ended up hardcoding the text instead. I created both of those chapter pages with those names based on the fact that we have an episode article similiary named. No characters debuted there though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:05, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, to be honest; I need a link to a "typical" usage, so I can see how it's supposed to behave (right now, I'm really not sure what I'm looking for in the template). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:40, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * The manga debut parameter of any character. Let's go with Axel Brodie. In the code, you'd be looking for "appears manga =" Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:45, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * It seems to work just fine for me; am I still not fully grasping the issue? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:09, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh. Well, it works now. When I originally added the manga debut to Dr Faker's article, it didn't work properly. Admittedly, I haven't tried again since then, and only added the debut to Momono's article today. Oh well. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:02, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * How long ago was it that you tried it? The place the issue would have been would be Chapter and Episode, not the infobox, and having a timescale would let me look through more recent edits to them and see what edit might have changed the behavior (of course, now this is just to satisfy my curiosity as opposed to actually fixing anything =D ). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:49, December 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I took a look through the edit history of Dr. Faker. It was back in July. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:50, December 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, that narrows it down to pretty much all four edits made this year. =D If I had to guess (without testing anything), I'd say the most likely candidate would be my refactoring of Chapter. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:59, December 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh hell. Check the link in the infobox of Masumi Momono. It reads "Duel Round SP1" and links to Yu-Gi-Oh! R - Duel Round 001. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:02, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, fsck. That would be because Yu-Gi-Oh! R - Duel Round SP1 doesn't have anything in the "chapter number" parameter in the infobox - but putting the value "SP1" there just breaks everything horribly (and stuffs the value "1" in the relevant properties, meaning even if it didn't break everything horribly, it'd have the same exact result - to make matters worse yet, both those properties have a type of Number, meaning they won't accept the value "SP1" anyways). This is something that cannot be fixed without a significant overhaul of the system as it now stands, I think, and one more piece of evidence in the "I hate SMW more and more" case (maybe I should write a rant about that... >_> ). Given all this, it's also something I won't be looking at actually fixing until I write a new version of the infobox (Infobox archetype was only a beginning, to help me figure stuff out ;) ), if even then. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:00, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Damn. I'm not sure why we chose "SP1" to denote these articles in the first place. As I said, I did the two manga articles that way for consistency with Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - Episode SP1 (which I assume stands for "special episode 1"). You're saying that we must use a numerical value for now, yes? What if we moved to "000" (each of these is "special" because it's not part of the main continuity of that series. Both were used for advertising purposes. They threw a special chapter into a different magazine in the hopes of getting people to read the other chapters in the other magazine). Let me go ask Delt, too. Fairly sure he created the 5D's article. If all else fails, we'll just hardcode the links and be done with it for now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:48, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, it has to be a number, no two ways around it (this is also why we need two properties for ATK, DEF, Level, and Rank).
 * I'd be fine with "000"; it's every bit as arbitrary as "SP1", but does make some limited amount of sense on its own. At any rate, though, let's see if Delt has anything to say. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:04, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see why we need to number special episodes and chapters when they're not ordinal. I moved the Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's special episode some time ago for that reason. Why not just manually create the link to the special episodes and chapters, like we would for a film or video game? -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:12, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

(outdent)Went ahead and moved the R article. Simply having no chapter number in the "chapter number" causes it to display the "next chapter" link as being Yu-Gi-Oh! R - Duel Round 001. Removing the "chapter number" parameter from the infobox altogether terribly borks the page and causes it to spit out an unlinked list of cards in alphabetical order. On a related note, what's going on at Yu-Gi-Oh! R chapter listing? Duel Rounds 7 and 15 show up twice, with the first time being at the top of the list with no image and still linking to "chapter" instead of "Duel Round". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:55, December 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * The infobox now leaves out the previous and next sections if there is no chapter number specified.
 * It was a messy cache problem. After the pages got renamed, the old titles, which are now redirects, retained the SMW properties they had before the page got moved. Null editing the redirects fixed this. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:45, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

New Gallery is sh-*
I don't understand why new gallery is create but limited to just 1 goddamn image per box? Ain't it better off with old version? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:09, December 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's because Gallery1 (and Gallery2, Gallery3, Gallery4, Gallery5, and Gallery) are actually old, deprecated templates - {{t}GalleryHeader}} and a hardcoded &lt;gallery/> are the current, preferred method (though I've been pondering for a while now about how more of this could be templated). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:24, December 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Why have "Clay Charge" hold the over ANCIENT gallery box? *sigh* -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:35, December 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because no one has bothered taking the time to orphan those templates yet. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:37, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Weird link formatting
This week's ZEXAL episode contains a card called Negative <=> Positive Swap" (ネガ⇔ポジ反転). It will not link properly that way, and there's no way to nowiki it with nowiking the link that I can think of. You know a workaround? Or should we call the article something else like in the case of cards like "Rock Ogre Grotto #1"? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 13:42, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am sure they should handle it like the one with "Magi Magi ☆ Magician Gal"... Symbol like those can't be coded well unless there are specify line to put it in. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:53, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there any reason not to use the arrow glyph directly, e.g. "Negative ⇔ Positive Swap", as Fredcat points out? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:35, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not that I can think of. Nor would I have thought to do. Nor did I realize that's what FredCat meant. I'll just go ahead and do that now. We can always move it later if we need to. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:37, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, cool. It helps to remember that MediaWiki is built from the ground up (well, not really, but it might as well be) on Unicode, and with the exception of certain wikimarkup characters, if you can write it on a page, you can use it in a page title (and even link to it). Unfortunately, this also extends to weird whitespace characters and control characters (at least, AFAIK... that may have been fixed at some point). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:41, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Btw, apologize for bring the random comment here, Dino - I was trying to give an evidence of how other article get it. At least I helped grant you both a consider of how to get it covered. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:45, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem; you should be aware by now of my own tendency to butt in on conversations that have nothing to do with me... =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:56, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think I can chop up pair of butts to place on here... Or if you mean by Metaphor Purpose of "Butt-In"? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:06, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I meant the idiomatic meaning, though looking at that definition, it seems to be a bit "stronger" than I thought it was. =/ 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:08, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see... It's been fun to playing with the word, ain't we? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:10, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep yep! =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:12, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

FredCat's New Article
Hey, check it out! -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:27, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pretty interesting! I'm not so sure about "ditch" instead of "discard", but I quite like "mill" in place of "send cards from the top of the Deck to the Graveyard"! =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:46, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I will writing in the define of those new words whenever chance I can get. I am little busy on other side. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:58, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Words Define" is post in that article, And be sure to remember that it's not "real". -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:21, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re.
It is a bit dumb that there isn't an automatic system that scans (once a month) cards that interact with your/opponents Graveyard, and then lists them in the current list (It would be much better). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 21:07, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, that would require parsing card effects, which would entail largely solving the problem of natural language parsing. We do have a system in place already that allows the lists to be made automatic (SMW), but the tags have to be added to card pages manually and currently the whole thing is just too scattershot to be really useful for this (not least of all because a query that lists all cards that can interact with the Graveyard in any way is too large for SMW's query limits). I'd like to have a look at the whole thing in the future, but there's no telling when that might actually happen. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:18, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should rebuild TwoTailedFox's idea of Duel Terminal on the Chat. Do you think so too? Message me for ideas. --I&#39;m the Haitian Seto Kaiba. Deal with it. (talk • contribs) 21:20, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

archetype strategies
Hey, DinoGuy! I'm wondering if you can put more strategies on archetype pages, like you did in the new Forest archetype. Please respond back! Guardmaster (talk • contribs) 21:48, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * That wasn't me, that was Haitham Messast (and possibly Shardsilver, too, I didn't look at his edits too closely). Generally speaking, I'm not much of a Duelist, and that extends to coming up with and even just documenting strategies. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:58, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Insanity Increased
Please check out that article I sent you earlier (second latest to this, only by my name) to see any addition information. I am starting to think I felt little crazy after added all LS shit there. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:54, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Japanese kanji for card sets
I noticed that on Pot of Duality's page that another Administrator had listed the Japanese kanji for the OCG set's name, with a the redirect bypassed. It's been done seemingly randomly for other cards, I think by the same Admin. Leave it be or take it out? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:35, December 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Leave it be. Eventually (when I finally get Card table set finished and it starts getting deployed), all card pages will use the localized set name for any particular release; this will be automatic. In the meantime, there's at least one person doing so manually, as you've noticed. It's not necessary to do it now, but if someone wants to anyway, we may as well let them. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:16, December 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Roger that! Hopefully that project (and all your others) go smoothly. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:46, December 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * They usually do once I sit down to work on them; getting to that point usually ends up being the hard part for me. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:52, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Short Print
Like "Naturia Beast" and "Ally of Justice Catastor", those cards with "Short Print" are like often making their appearance than they original to be, or am I thinking wrong? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:21, December 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * You're asking if Short Print cards are visually identical to Common cards, right? If so, yes (and if not, you'll have to explain better). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:55, December 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Closer, but how can I tell that they are short-print? Such as the two I mentioned are common seen pull out of pack easily? And yea, my context on this part is tightly because I am busy writing two stories and bunch of create new cards that required for one chapter. :( -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:30, December 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * There isn't any way just by looking at the cards themselves - if you put a Common card and a Short Print card side-by-side (and ignore the differences arising from the fact that they're two different cards), you won't be able to tell which is which with a visual comparison. Short Print cards are rarer than Common cards, though (they are called "Normal Rares" in the OCG), so you would pull them less often from packs. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:52, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Article Lockdown
May you please lock up "Luna" from unregistered users? Shard is having hard time trying to keep it clear. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:27, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Semi-protected for one month. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:31, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that's all I asked. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:33, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * A lot of people have been removing those sentences. Shardsilver and his "cousin" were the main advocates for them to be added at all. Someone needs to integrate those last lines into the sections with better wording. It's supposed to read like a biography, not be a list of episode numbers. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:49, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, the only ones that have done anything, are usually one-time Ip users who's sole edit is simply removing that (also, from what I can see, no registered users have tried to remove it). If you look at Yusei and Aki's articles, they have episode Numbers to (I'm just saying). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 23:53, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've never removed it, but have disagreed on the talk pages. So has Golden Key. I'm not entirely sure what Cheesedude's stance was. The only ones I've seen in totally in favour have been Shardsilver, Shardsilver's IP, an account that was used by the same IP and another IP with two edits. If you're disregarding short time users/IPs, that leaves just yourself in favour. Every time you revert someone removing the line, you tell them to see the talk page, but I don't see any agreement on the talk page to include it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:59, December 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I did try to reason, by bringing up an agreement on Leo's talk page (which an IP user agreed to), and so far, nobody seemed to have any problems with what I suggested. However, I also agree with "Goldenkey", that if need be, I can re-word those sentences (give me a few days, and I'll try to word it like whats in Yusei and Aki's biograghys. And if you guys feel they still need re-wording, I'll do just that)). Does that sound reasonable? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 19:18, December 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would actually prefer if Deltaneos did the revisions; he wrote the page on character articles and has a ton of experience making them. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:00, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thats fine with me, I see no problem with that. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:32, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Would you mind taking the protect off Luna's article (I don't think it will be needed anymore, now that the speculation is pretty much gone, and replaced with facts and references). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 20:06, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've lowered it to a week; there's no harm in leaving the protection on for a few more days. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:09, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Edit restriction for chat access
I was thinking up a rule about the chat: You must have at least 25 edits before you can go on the chat. Isn't the chat a privalage? Tell me what you think. --I&#39;m the Haitian Seto Kaiba. Deal with it. (talk • contribs) 18:02, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * No and no. Even if it were possible for us to set such a limit (and it's not), it's highly doubtful Wikia would allow us to do so. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:33, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Wikiamobile skin
In the mobile skin, level 2 headings are meant to toggle whether the content below them is shown or hidden. e.g. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/talk:Main%20Page?useskin=wikiamobile But the content on the Main Page stays hidden http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Main%20Page?useskin=wikiamobile Have you any idea what's causing this? -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:38, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * No I don't, though I didn't look very closely... I'll try to take a closer look later, if you haven't gotten it figured out. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:19, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * It works fine when the &lt;mainpage-leftcolumn-start /&gt;, &lt;mainpage-endcolumn /&gt;, &lt;mainpage-rightcolumn-start /&gt; and &lt;mainpage-endcolumn /&gt; tags are removed. So the problem is most likely to do with them. I suppose I'll report it as a bug later and let Wikia handle it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:35, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting... Does the problem still happen if you duplicate the output of the tags in "raw" HTML and CSS? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:57, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the late reply. It was a while before I realised you'd responded. The problem was fixed just as I was trying your suggestion. Weird timing. I hadn't even reported it as a problem before it got fixed. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:17, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries, and cool, I like stuff getting fixed without me needing to do anything. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:20, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Deserter
Just wanna let you know about this... I just noticed something complete wrong with them. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:15, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar enough with the Gardna series to be able to say whether "Desert Protector" fits its theme... Cheesedude mentions on the talk page there that DP's effect does fit, since it's a defensive effect, but there may be more to the Gardna theme then just that. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:42, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Two questions/suggestions
First, what do you think about a template for "conjectural name"? There are things we document on this wiki that don't have canonical names, so we need to make up our own. The example the sticks out the most would be The Door. Wookieepedia has a template for that, so that's where I got the idea.

Secondly, would it be helpful at all to have a list of card images that are impossible to get? I don't mean we can't find them. I mean they don't exist. For example, I believe we now have card images of every card that appears in the GX manga - except those that don't appear in card form. "Winged Kuriboh LV10" was used several times, but it was never once shown in card form. There are a number of other examples from that manga, and a few from the various animes too. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:31, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * That would probably be a good idea... it could be accompanied by a generalization to Unofficial name allowing it to be used on articles beyond just card articles. "Template:Conjectural name" is a very clear and concise description of what the proposed template would do, but I'm a bit worried that it's too technical to be easily remembered, and I don't think the template would be used widely enough to justify including it amongst the edittools interface... That being said, I can't really suggest any other names, and Hide Factbox (which, IIRC, I named myself) certainly argues against me. ;P
 * Isn't that what List of unseen cards is? Currently, I think the list just covers those cards that are not seen in any fashion - neither card nor monster - but it would be reasonable to expand to include those cards whose monster form is the only one shown, I think. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:47, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * We could just continue using "unofficial" and leave conjectural out if that word may cause too much confusion. Unofficial means much the same thing anyway.
 * That might work. Though for the example, I gave, it wouldn't - since "Winged Kuriboh LV10" is a real card and appears in card form in the anime. It's only specifically in the manga the card isn't shown. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:53, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Works for me.
 * I don't see any reason the list has to be restricted just to cards that did not appear in any media; it seems perfectly reasonable that we could have different sections for different levels of "unseen-ness": the first could be for cards that are only mentioned, and never shown in any way, with per-medium subsections as necessary, followed by cards that are only shown in monster or effect form (again, with per-medium subsections as necessary). Thoughts? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:09, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, cool.
 * I don't have any particular objections to do it that way, though I do think we'd need to rename the page. Don't know to what. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:39, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * The name "The Door" comes from the cast list of the first episode of ZEXAL. Kazuhiko Inoue is credited as "voice of the door" (扉の声, tobira no koe). Although "the" is something that gets added in translation, since Japanese grammar doesn't require as many pronouns as English grammar. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:06, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, fair enough. Didn't realize that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:39, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

A merge and a removal
Hey Dinoguy, I need help with two things. First, I noticed Cursed Waters Level 3 appears twice in the List of "Umi" support cards. Second, these two pages are in need of a merger. Thanks. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:05, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a known issue, and one we can't really do much of anything about; even editing the page isn't enough to get the duplicate entry off the list.
 * Those aren't the only two pages tagged for merging. Decks aren't really my forté, regardless, so I'm not really the best person to ask about merging Deck-related articles. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:14, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I tried doing a null edit before asking about the duplicate issue, but when that didn't work I assumed it must be an Administrator level issue.
 * And yes, I have seen we have a lot of things to be merged, but since this seemed like a simple enough cut and paste job I thought I'd mention it. I guess every Administrator has a specialty and a weakness. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:37, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, unfortunately this issue is out of the reach of even the admins to fix... It's ultimately a bug in SMW. =(
 * Yeah, my specialty happens to be technical stuff - template and wikimarkup sorcery - and my weakness is most else. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:56, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

I need help
How can I become a administrator. I want to help out yugioh wikia. plZ leave a message on my page Mek--MekHunterG5 (talk • contribs) 16:42, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * The only way is to file a request on Project:Requests for adminship and wait for the community to decide if they want to trust you with the bit or not. That being said, what type of work are you wanting to do that you think requires admin privileges? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:49, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

how can i become an admin —This unsigned comment was made by Ceep61 (talk • contribs) 20:23, December 31, 2011


 * I wrote how to do so directly above your comment. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:32, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think these days, when people ask that, we can usually assume it's chatmoderator they're looking for. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:44, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably... Do we have anyone yet that spends enough time in chat as to be able to vouch for requesters? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:54, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Despite my claim to try to spend more time in chat, I haven't. I really consider the chat's presence to be nothing but a nuisance at this point. No one that edits really uses it and no one that uses it bothers to contribute. It really has nothing to do with this wiki. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:08, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, it really doesn't help any that most of us that know how to do so make it a point to avoid using the Wikia skin. The situation might be far better if Wikia were just willing to add some of the new features to Monobook, but they have to choose that of all things to listen far too closely to their vocal technical users minority. =P 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:54, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree chat has very little to do with the wiki anymore. It's nothing like I expected it to be when the idea to enable it was suggested.
 * From what I have seen, there tends to be a lot of unnecessary arguments and flame wars among users on chat. Often with each side thinking the other is behaving inappropriately. My main concern with giving someone chatmod rights, is that they'll end up taking sides in one of these arguments and banning the users they disagree with. Bans like these can cause people to resort to trolling. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:31, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Renaming Type lists
After I saw Deltaneos's counterargument, I figured my changes to the Aqua pages would get reverted (hence why I didn't do any other Types). The fact that your initial comment was made so long ago without opposition made me think it was fine to go ahead in the first place. Oh well, sorry to make you have to clean up my mess. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 22:24, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * May I still go ahead and make the initial change you proposed? ("List of anti-Warrior-Type support cards" to "List of Warrior-Type anti-support cards", etc.) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:57, January 1, 2012 (UTC)