Forum:Reasons why cards are Forbidden/Limited


 * From the creator of the "List of cards to side in to cripple meta decks", comes the...


 * In case someone somehow missed it. Click "Show" on the right side of the bar.
 * This list is for the people who are curious about why certain cards are banned/limited.
 * This list can also assist people before posting a prediction on the next banlist.
 * Please help out by pointing out changes that should be made in the list (if any) (please include reasons).
 * Keep in mind that the TCG banlist is exactly the same as the OCG banlist (minus the OCG exclusives). So, reasons should be based on the OCG rulings. (adding a note to those would be appreciated, something like the one on Victory Dragon.)
 * And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated. 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Edit Log

 * Created page. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Added "Edit Log" and "Discussion" sections. ^_^-- HHTurtle  Talk  11:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Small note on Cyber Jar, more reasons for Stratos, Lumina, Mind Master, etc. Links to a few terms. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Stickied as requested. It'd work after the feature's been implemented. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Updated for September 2010. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:34, August 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Table format/colour change. Well, I personally find it much easier to navigate through the list. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:24, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

March 2010
To start things off... Why is Metamorphosis banned when Thousand-Eyes Restrict is also banned? Isn't that the main reason? Did Konami ban Victory Dragon because they can? because there's something called surrendering. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Metamorphosis can still summon some very strong Fusion Monsters easily. For Victory Dragon, you have to understand that although you can surrender anytime during the duel in the TCG, you can only surrender starting from the 10th turn in the OCG so it still makes Victory Dragon very BROKEN.-- HHTurtle  Talk  06:09, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * So since Metamorphosis is now banned, do you think they'll eventually take Thousand-Eyes Restrict off the banlist?--76.27.8.201 (talk) 07:25, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt that it will come off the list. When used properly, it's better than Gravity Bind and Level Limit - Area B. I've added the combo above. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:43, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Metal Reflect Slime + Cyber End Dragon.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 15:41, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Adding + slight expansion on the topic. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm right there with you on the Ojama Trio, RoTA, and Judgement Dragon bits for sure. Everything else I'm pretty neutral about though. Goblinpunch787


 * Good to hear that you don't specifically disagree to anything. This list is supposed to be something that almost everyone can generally agree on. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed that each card has a reason next to it. nice! Thanks for those who contributed. Now to do the "Chances" column. I would prefer it if no one changes this column (to prevent edit wars). Instead, please post below and discuss them. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ojama Trio is "not less limited" for good reason. The only way to turn Ojama Trio on it's head for general decks is to tune them, but when you don't have a tuner, it clogs your field to prevent swarming of any more than 2 monsters, and stops all kinds of other stuff. It's another OTK stopper, It makes Ojama Decks practically unstoppable, and there are also many ways to abuse it to create OTKs. I totally agree with pretty much everything else, entirely. Great list. NecrofearNorleras (talk • contribs) 14:55, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with the guy above me. I'm not sure if you guys know of this but there was an annoying deck in the OCG when Ojama Trio was released. You activate Ground Collapse during your turn and then activate Ojama Trio during your opponent's turn, preferably during the Draw Phase or Standby Phase. This will cause your opponent to have no real use of their monster zones. It was really annoying and broken.-- HHTurtle  Talk  16:22, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you have a Tuner, can't you switch the token to ATK mode, suicide (with 0 ATK >.<), then summon a Tuner and Synchro for a level 5-8 monster? But still, I'll consider changing that a bit. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:50, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

There's something that shouldn't be there. Changing Decree, Oppression and Drain: = → - until it's further discussed. Their strengths are too different. Oppression might be Limited, while the other 2 may stay imo. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Honestly, Victory Dragon ain't broken anymore, due to many removable - Fissure, Smashing Ground, Lightning Vortex, Mirror Force, Bottomless Trap Hole, etc. So why is it stay on banlist, eh? Oh yes, no one playing Match duel when come to him. --FredCat100 (talk • contribs) 19:01, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem with victory dragon is since they ALWAYS could possibly win the match, even if you won 2 of three, you must play the third game, since they could win the match still--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 15:45, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

 * Updating and...
 * Correct
 * Brain Control - It was on chance on going up, which was right.
 * Rescue Cat - up, which was right.
 * Monster Reborn - low chance of coming down, right.
 * Dark Hole - low chance of coming down, right.
 * Royal Oppression - I knew this was going up, which is why I split the cont. trap trio
 * Mystical Space Typhoon - chance of coming down, right.
 * Chaos Sorcerer - chance of coming down, right.
 * Ojama Trio - chance of coming down, right.
 * Goblin Zombie - was on my prediction list for March, a bit late, but I was right.
 * Treeborn Frog - Well, I did say read the card.
 * United We Stand - I kinda knew this, with the list of so many ways to stop it.


 * Incorrect
 * Magic Cylinder
 * Black Rose Dragon
 * Cyber Dragon
 * Heavy Storm


 * Not Predicted
 * Black Whirlwind
 * Snipe Hunter
 * Royal Decree


 * New
 * Substitoad
 * Infernity Launcher
 * Trishula


 * Seems like this list is pretty accurate xD -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:34, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

You should update harpie's feather duster and Change of heart in your list since they say that heavy storm and Brain control are still limited. Jens (talk • contribs) 18:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:36, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Corrected position of Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 14:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it was right before. Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain are still Semi. Only Decree went to Unlimited. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:20, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * (struck my elbow on Falzar's chest) don't forget that Royal Oppression is limited, so to not confused it with Decree.. -- F  red  C  at  T.P. • F.R. • J.R. • W.S. 23:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. My bad, then. I've read the wrong parts of the card articles. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs)

187.139.220.27 (talk) 21:16, August 30, 2010 (UTC)solemn judment should be un limited or semi limited in my opinion because it cost a lot of life points and it can give a lot of play for many forgotten and unplayable decks (itsus,union not vwxyz,billy decks, princess pikeru etc...)

Very nice page, although someone forgot to change the bg colour for CCV and Exchange of the Spirit. Fixed now. --Hozu (talk • contribs) 21:48, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Dark Magician of Chaos part says "Monster Reborn is also forbidden". Remember that it is now limited 186.4.40.87 (talk) 05:22, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'll fix that right now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:29, September 7, 2010 (UTC)