User talk:Cheesedude

Welcome to my talk page. Feel free to leave any messages below. However, do not ask me for help with your Deck. I have not actively played the TCG in a very long time, and have not kept up with current rulings. If you leave me a message, I will put your talk page on my watchlist. You may respond on my talk page or your talk page. I will check both.

RE: III and V
My edit summary was "Same as Quatro", which was moved because... well a reason wasn't really given. I don't think so, I just moved them since it would take a long time to bot change "V" since lots of words have a capital V (like TV, Veil, etc) so I need to check each page. If the page is moved again, I don't need to check each page now. I had lots of time on that day, not so much after that. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:45, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Episode 69
Did the Number 53 leave the field in the end of the episode? An anon put that info (though it was written more in a way of speculation). Can you confirm that info? E n e r g y X ∞ 12:40, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * We can't be sure. They were focused on Number 91 at the end. 53 didn't look it was still there, but he could have easily been behind 91. I assumed that 53 was used an Overlay Unit for 91, since 91 appeared to have one Overlay Unit, but that's speculation too, which I why I left it ambiguous when I wrote the section. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:59, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

So...
What is the standard episode duel layout? Is it like this:


 * Player 1
 * Action 1
 * Action 2


 * Player 2
 * Action 1
 * Action 2

Or is it like this:

Action 1, Action 2
 * Player 1

Action 1, Action 2
 * Player 2

If you have questions, please ask them. E n e r g y X ∞ 22:17, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * The bulleted style is outdated. We've started writing it in prose. See pretty much any ZEXAL article. That's how it should be written. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:08, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Don't you think...
you're being a bit too easy on User:Rocket.knight.777? His stance is essentially "Hi, I'm new, I don't like the currently-working system that you've been using for archetypes, I don't have a better way to organize it, but I'm going to cause a fuss anyway." I understand that you're a mod and you're trying to be a diplomat, but he's essentially just trying to cause trouble. Isn't there a point where you say "I'm a mod, this is the way we do things. If you don't like that, feel free to leave." Not trying to tell you how to be a mod, but I just have a few things that I'm holding back to respect how adamant you are to reason with him.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 19:33, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * A) I'm not new. I've been coming to this sight for a few years now, and only had to sign up when the admins made some sections of the site (i.e. lists of member to a certain Type and/or Level) members only. It is in maturity and growth from coming here for so long and viewing and playing the game that I'm just trying to express and hopefully help perfect the slight flaw in the system through critical thinking. B) This is a community site to have the mod and admin go Hitler and say "my site my rules" will turn people away. Before you make accusations Yamiwheeler, I suggest you get the facts.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:49, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Instantly to the Hitler example. Yes, because Hitler really gave the choice of "If you don't like it, feel free to leave." Silly people. Anyway, I don't believe I was talking to you. You still failed to address my point, either way, in which you're coming in here, whining about the system, but don't have a better alternative. As an anon, you are not part of the community, so you are new to it, and this is the way we do things. We've had many a discussion about it and the majority obviously feels that the current way is the best way, so it's perfectly acceptable when someone like you comes along and demands a change from what is tried-and-tested, to tell you that sorry - If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Regardless, this is a conversation between me and Cheesedude.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:32, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you are going to insult me I have a right to defend me honor. If you want a more private conversation with him, I suggest finding another means of contacting him than something where any update is logged. Whatever "power" you think you have must be giving you a swelled head, because you obviously are not listening to what I'm saying. I've suggest you focus the archetype on Name, Support and theme because it seems the most logical regardless of whatever names the cards have. What might be a good idea to the majority of the "heads" does not mean it's good for the majority of the "masses". Either way, it seemed no one is going to budge on this, so I repeat what I had also suggested, Why doesn't somebody write Konami and ask them what makes an archetype an archetype. If you suggest I should do it, I say "If you won't listen to a simple suggestion from a peon like me, what makes you think you'd listen to me if I got an answer from them?"--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:53, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, Knight 777, please cut it out - Yami's message is meaning for Cheesy here, not for you, hence the reason why he's respond to Cheesy's Talk Page. They would have to using Email but they're too lazy to open the mailbox right now. Alright? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:56, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, who's insulting who? I've been quite civil so far, but so far, you've accused people of behaving like Hitler and said they've got swelled heads. You seem to take your "rights" on the internet far too seriously. And once again, you prove your unfamiliarity with the Wiki, because on this Wiki, we go by what the majority wants with almost every matter like this. Once again, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. No one will be changing the sole foundation of the Wiki just for you. We aren't listening to you because you aren't making a realistic argument. How exactly would you organize it by name, support and theme on this Wiki? How would you factor in cards that aren't part of an archetype by your definition, but still receive support from that archetype's support cards, like "roid" monsters that are not "Vehicroids"? Please feel free to draw up a template on how we can organize the cards like this and then perhaps people will take you seriously. As for e-mailing Konami, it's your suggestion, why don't you take responsibility for it? If Konami themselves e-mail you back with a strict definition of an archetype, then obviously we'll take it into consideration.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 21:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The only reason I jusped in is because I feel he insulted me. I'll back out. But if I feel I have been insulted, I have a right to jump in and defend my honor.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 21:00, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * We knew, and that's why Yami want to know Cheesy's opinion on you. And this site is belong to nothing but TwoTailedFox (Founder), and he don't control the site like it's his kingdom - he only created it for Yu-Gi-Oh! stuffs to keep updating and stuffs - nothing more. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:12, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * For the record, restricting the queries, such as lists of monsters by Type, was not something done by the administrators. The archetype definition is not an admin "my site, my rules" thing. Too many users had different opinions of what counted as an archetype/series etc. After many long discussions involving users of any status, the last of which Cheesedude linked you to; Forum:Archetype definition (again), something was finally decided on. A lot went into those discussions, it's not something likely to be overwritten because one user disagrees with it. I don't think everyone was happy with every aspect of the final result, but it was the best general agreement. There are some parts I don't quite agree with, but am happy to follow, because it was a communal agreement. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:48, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

To answer the original question posed, no, I don't think I was going too easy on him. It wasn't as if he continued to revert to his style after that conversation started. I don't think his intent was to cause trouble at all. He legitimately thinks the current system is BS (which is fine, and to an extent even I agree its BS. As Delt said, no one is happy with all of it). For the record, I don't mind other people jumping in on my talk page. Prior to those reverts, Rocket Knight had constructive edits and I do not want to discourage him from continuing to edit this wiki. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. To me, it came across as trying to start trouble when he refused to acknowledge the majority verdict and the amount of discussion that went into the decision to have the system this way, but whatever, it's over now.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:37, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

ZEXAL II
So, you know about the "new ZEXAL" which is starting on October, right (ZEXAL second)? So, what are we gonna do? A new article, or a section about it in the main "ZEXAL" anime article? Remember not only the name, but the airing time will change as well, from Monday 19:30 to Sunday 17:30. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:10, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I heard about it. I'd like to see the logo before we make any decisions. It may be best to wait until a few episodes have aired. It may just be a continuation with a subtitle (if there's a timeskip or something that really makes it different I could see making new articles). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * There you go. For now, we have a brief summary, the logo, and the airing date. Not really sure, as I'm not exactly apart of all news regarding this second season, but it seems the story is gonna take place right after Faker's defeat, when the Awesomeness Trio saved the world and everything's at peace (just like 5D's, from season 2 to 3). Just to let'ya know.
 * By the way, shouldn't we make articles for this special episode and for that garbage eliminating room inside the Heartland Tower? It clearly has something with the plot, as it seems it contains a portal which leads to the Astral World, and some important events happen there, like Awesomeness Trio vs. Faker. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:36, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. It does sound like its a continuation. What I'd like to see is if the first episode of the series backtracks to 1 or continues where the previous one left off. That's what will ultimately determine if we make a new article or not, I think.
 * Yeah, those could use articles. The episode article should be created with the actual name of the episode as the article name, since there's no numerical episode number for it. As for the room, I'm not sure what we'd call it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:44, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed.
 * I may be wrong, but I think there's an actual name for the room. It was mentioned in the manga either when Haruto created a fireball there or when Cologne's past was revealed. Was it... Heartland's disposal plant? Something like that. I probably wrote in the summary of some chapter. But whatever, don't think that room has an "official name", to tell the truth. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:54, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

The Winged Dragon of Ra (original)
The anime lore states the fourth, fifth, and sixth effects that activate when this card is Special Summoned in the Graveyard activate only when it is revived from the Graveyard. This is contradicted in Episode 85 of GX as Franz was able to use those effects without Special Summoning itself from the Graveyard. The only way Franz could activate those effects was if some kind of effect allowed him to do so(possible "Mound of the Bound Creator").Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:22, August 30, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Honestly, we will never get consistent effects for the god cards. They do whatever they need to do to suit the situation. There's nothing written on "Mound of Bound Creator" that says that and I don't believe there was dialogue to indicate that it had that effect either. The effect is simply inconsistent. It's not necessarily an error either, just an inconsistency. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:43, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * The effects that activate when this card is Special Summoned from the Graveyard is probably not necessarily I think. The people who usually use this card is Yami Marik and Franz. They seem to usually use the effects for their own somewhat self pleasure. The condition was probably just added due to how it was shown. Those effects can probably be activated at any time if their own conditions are met, but the player who uses them chooses which one to use and they usually use it to either wipe their opponents out or just get rid of their monsters. This is just my guess for the moment.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:38, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

"Overdoom Line"
The animelore says all monsters summoned from the Graveyard, but that would mean both players' monsters would get the boost, however the episode seems to explicitly say that only all of Akiza's monsters would get the boost. Reply when you can.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:54, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Ok, then change it. You don't have to run everything you do by me, you know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:41, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agreed with Cheesy, he's not that brilliant with the stuffs, but hey, he's not the boss of anything - if you're "stuck", then here he can help you out. And if you think you're not sure, just collect all the data and throw at him at once - I felt sorry for ATEM when I ran everything at him with the rulings... -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:43, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am sorry if I sometimes act like I need permission for things as well as making it look like Cheesedude is the boss of "anything", but sometimes I can't figure things out completely and I usually don't want to insert or change animelores if I am not completely positive that is what it should be. I only come here if I think I can't find any other solution to certain discrepancies I find. Sorry if I acted like I was bothering anyone.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:34, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * It's ok. It's just that in many cases, I don't have much to add to the explanation myself. There has been several topics where you've given me a guess that I agreed with. Even if you're not 100% sure, it's ok to change something. I have most anime cards on my watchlist, so on the off-chance I do have something to add, I'll likely see you make the change and can contact you about it if I need to. All I'm saying is you can be a bit bolder if you like. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:13, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * No worry, like Cheesy said, just go do your job, only without bugging him, and let's see if you can get them all right. Like I did with Appearance articles recently and I just noticed Delta Neos who went and fixed one of Card Appearance straight, ever without have me asking him. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:16, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay I'll try to use the talk pages of the card pages themselves if I find any discrepancies I can't solve by myself. Any of you guys are free to come to the talk page and discuss with those topics. If I find any I will post those there.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 22:18, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Good, now less pain on Cheesy's shoulder. So have fun dump your insanity stuffs there. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:39, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Number 39's Logical
Now I understand why TCG name was "Utopia" instead of "Hope" - the latter word is most often using for female than using for male. At least he managed to explain the reason why that name was selected. Thank you for show the link, my friend. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:00, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Kaiō
Just regarding this edit, I thought I'd mention that the name "Kaiō" in this situation may not use the same kanji as Atlanteans do, and it could also be written in katakana (avoiding kanji altogether). Unless there's a place where the name is listed in kanji, it's unofficial. You might want to consider just leaving it as "かいおう", or "かいお" since the original page didn't list an "う" at the end.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:12, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Considering Rikuo's Japanese name, that sounds about right. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:22, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:27, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Ou vs. Ō in names
So, y'know 'bout "ou" which becomes "ō" in Japanese, right. When this happens in a character's name, what exactly should one do? For Kyouji Yagumo, I put "Kyōji" in the rōmaji name, and in English (article's name, thus all the rest as well) I put "Kyouji". So, is this all right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:15, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Based on Koji Nagumo (who has to assume Yagumo is a reference too for whatever reason),it would be "Kōji" for the romaji and just "Koji" for the English name (which I also assume was spelled that way in the English manga). It's very likely the English ZEXAL manga will spell it the same way. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:24, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * So, "Kyoji" would be better? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:53, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait, I just remembered Rank 21 is coming in English about next week, so we'll be able to check this out. Then, we use the standard Viz will use for all other characters as well, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:56, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Right. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:10, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

GX manga Summons: The Revenge
So, as the original message is in the archives...
 * As you can suppose, "Winged Kuriboh LV9" is "Evolution Summoned". By the way, Kohinata's "Evil Dragon Ananta" is just "Special Summoned", not "Union Summoned", stepping over my theory of "Union Summon monsters = monster with special summoning conditions". *sigh* LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:37, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:10, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sho's "Solidroid α" is "Union Summoned", but in a still different way. He's summoned by sending 3 "roids" from the hand to the grave - when that happens, Sho declares "チェンジ ソリッドα" (Chenji Soriddo Arufa, "Change Solid Alpha"). Then, when "Solidroid α" is Summoned, he declares "変形合体" (Henkei Gattai, "Modification/Transformation Union"). Although I don't think the "変形" part is relevant. Well, it's just one more stupid random "Union Summon". Seriously, this one also fits my theory, just "Evil Dragon Ananta" doesn't. This is so confusing. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:39, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, same goes for "Solidroid β" and "Solidroid γ". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:56, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

NC Images
How come some have been removed? I had some spare time so started uploading again and some pages such as the Advanced Crystal Beasts had their NC images removed. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 20:04, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * No idea, Scarecrow. Take a look and see if it was the same person that removed all of them and contact them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:10, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I did do, but there's no edit summary of them being put in or being taken out. It's weird because I remember uploading the Advanced Crystal Beasts and their gem images, but none of them are in the galleries. Also I have another question, why is Yubel's Sacred Beast deck seperate from her plant deck when they not only have several of the same cards, but there's also no proof of her changing decks. Also when she stopped possessing Jesse, she would have only been left with the Sacred Beast deck (as he took the Crystal Beasts back from her). TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 16:54, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I recall seeing those images. I can't be sure what happened either though. Try Dinoguy, I suppose. As far as Yubel goes, I would argue that there's no also proof that she didn't change Decks. She used cards from both of her Sacred Beasts Decks (which despite having the same goal had very different ways of bringing them out). It could very easily be the same Deck or a different Deck. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:28, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

One quick note
I made a question in the talk page of "Crimson Fire", but nobody has answered to it yet. I was wondering if you could join in on this because there is only one discrepancy relating to "Crimson Fire" that I have not yet solved.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:04, September 4, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

D or Dueling?
In D Team ZEXAL, there's the "Ｄネットワーク", which is the "Dueling Network", used by the Dueling Teams. But, as "D-Pad" is written with the "D-" instead of "Dueling", but "Duel Gazer" doesn't, I wonder how should I write the Network. "D-Network" or "Dueling Network"? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:50, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Probably "D-Network". As you said, D-Pad is like that and in Japan they just called Duel Gazers "D-Gazers". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:55, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. Thinking now, this may also avoid confusion with the online game "Dueling Network". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:05, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Images
No problem. Didnt expect a thank you lol SharkTenjo 09:33, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cool. Glad to help SharkTenjo 09:58, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

move request
Structure Deck 20: Lost Sanctuary to Structure Deck: Lost Sanctuary. Thanks. -Lpoi (talk • contribs) 09:17, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Number 92 banishing effect
This was because Number 92 was not yet on the field when Kaito Summoned Galaxy-Eyes and Set his card. The banishing effect only activates during the Standby Phase if a card was played on the field the previous turn WHILE Number 92 was on the field. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 15:37, September 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I was trying to illustrate by adding that text. If the existing text makes it clear enough, fine. You're infinitely better at wording card lores than I am, so carry on. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:53, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

I see your point, but...
... this is a public article. The editing and formatting reflects on the Wikia itself, and based on observations of both of them, they seem well-versed enough in English that it seemed like a valid point. As for the Ban threat, there's more to this than the last few days with their baiting of each other. The ban is consistent with behaviour from previous altercations.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:29, September 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * The issue has already been fixed.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:36, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

DN + Wikia
Howdy. I posted up the list of cards with different names between our respective sites, along with the text you can just straight-import to autocreate the Redirect pages (tested on a seperate Wiki and it worked perfectly). http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?showtopic=146431&view=findpost&p=3276096 AEtherchild (Talk|Contribs) 04:03, September 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. Thank you. Though you could have uploaded them yourself, now that I think of it. It was really you that did the work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:15, September 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Export function's public, but Import's limited to Admins. I did check ^_^ AEtherchild (Talk|Contribs) 04:17, September 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, that's right. One question: One of the imported pages was "Backlash", which is a manga only card. Is there an OCG card with a similiar name that caused a screw-up? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:19, September 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hm. Total coincidence actually. Due to the fact DN has no Anime or Manga cards, we tend not to check whether an English card name we use already exists in one of those mediums. I'll mention it to Atem though, the Wikia redirects are very useful to our playerbase so we do indeed want to make it work right for them :) AEtherchild (Talk|Contribs) 04:23, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Kyoji
Unfortunately, Kyoji's single appearance in the chapter was that, which I took the image and put in the article. However, when he appears again, do you think it'd be better to replace the file with one showing only his face?
 * By the way, what do you think about the file on the chapter's article? Do you think another one is more appropriated? I though in adding this one, as the chapter focuses on Shark's and Kyoji's past, but the iamge is very small... any thoughts? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:41, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that would be good.
 * Uh, consensus is that infobox images for chapter articles should be the title page of each chapter. I honestly hadn't noticed that that's not what you'd been using. Other images can be used elsewhere in the articles. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:54, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah, I know. I stopped using them when our dear Mako stopped buying the V Jump, as he lost access to it. So I had to add any LQ scan we found, as that was the only thing we had. Although starting from Rank 19, we are getting them in English, so I can add the English tittle pages from that Rank on. We'll just have to wait to obtain official tittle pages for Ranks 15~18 (either until someone buys the Japanese volume 3 and scans it, or waiting untiiiiil volume 3 is release in English. ......aaaaaand someone scans it). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:59, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. Well, in that case, I like the image with Shark and Kyoji better. I don't think the size matters that much. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:01, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Manga only support
Y'know when a card has an effect in the manga, and when its released in the OCG/TCG, the effect is changed? So, in the case of "Cyber Eltanin", for example. The archetype "Cyber" is an archetype just 'cause it has support in the manga. "Cyber Eltanin" is support for the archetype in the manga, but not in the OCG/TCG. So, we don't add "|support = Cyber" on the article, or do we? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:36, September 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, we don't, unless its the only support card for that archetype, like "Number C32: Shark Drake Vice" for "Shark" or "Spawn Alligator" for "Alligator". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:38, September 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * And then we hold out for the card page redesign, after which each medium will finally have its own card category parameters, and we can finally start marking cards as archetype support for only the anime/manga version. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:30, September 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, that looks awesome! Looking forward to it. ^^ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:45, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Bottomless Trap Hole
Yes, that was already resolved. I guess they didn't edit it back. Mad Rest 00:52, September 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually no, I meant the opposite. Naraku was decided to be named Hell. See it on Deltaneos's talk page somewhere. :http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Deltaneos#Translation_Errors
 * It's just a synonym for jigoku, I guess. Mad Rest 01:04, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype The generator unit is support i agree but for Cyber decks not for photons it seems to like a logic flaw. Are you saying that the card as long as it support something is treated aspart of the archetype even if the name is the only thing/link in common with the archetype while having other relation with archetype.--Veriteo (talk • contribs) 19:48, September 15, 2012 (UTC)