Forum:March 2010 Advanced Format

In this coming new format what cards you have expected to be place on the ban list or limiting the number?

Kaiser-kun 12:02, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

=Justice for Judgment Dragon!= Pretty much, this "nuker" dragon would be a nomination for limited list. Lightsworns are really overrated because of this overrated dragon. How many times I was nuked by TWO JD even though I'd tried my best to counter it. Peace to those Lightsworn users! ^^ --SilentHero26 12:38, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

haha true for Judgment Dragon, he'll be limited this March i guess. June23ly 13:27, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Dear God I hope JD gets hit. --DeaththeKid

Stardust Dragon
Stardust should be limited if not banned all together it's like a slightly toned down Solemn Judgment that just keeps coming back over and over again DaywalkerAA 15:57, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Stardust Dragon deserves no place on the Limited or Forbidden list whatsoever. First of all, it has an extremely low ATK score for a Level 8 monster. Secondly, its effect can be easily countered.


 * Compulsory Evacuation Device
 * Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
 * Mist Wurm
 * D.D. Crow
 * Book of Life
 * Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind
 * Phoenix Wing Wind Blast

To name a few. Most of these are splashable, as well.

Oh, and for my own suggestion. Ojama Trio needs to come back. At least back up to two, maybe even three. The reason? Nearly all opponents can easily use these little Tokens for Synchro Material, avoiding the damaging effect as well. It would help Burn decks come back a bit, slowing down the current Meta, even just a little bit.--Akiza Izayoi 20:05, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, Stardust isn't broken by itself, but Starlight Road being released puts us in a sticky situation. Summoner Monk with a Level 4 Tuner is bad enough, but a trap card Synchro Summon is just ridiculous.

Remember that if you use Starlight Road, and Tribute the Dragon for its effect, it won't come back during the End Phase.--Akiza Izayoi 21:39, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why wouldn't it come back? Starlight Road says it negates the effect of the destruction card and destroys it, nothing about negating the effect of Stardust Dragon.


 * Starlight Road doesn't Synchro Summon Stardust Dragon. Synchro Monsters need to be Synchro Summoned properly in order to be Special Summoned from the graveyard. --Blue (Talk) 21:55, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Synchro Summons are Special Summons, though, also the anime card text reads in more detail:
 * "Activate only when an effect was activated that destroys 2 or more cards you control. Negate that effect and destroy that card, and then Special Summon 1 "Stardust Dragon" from your Extra Deck, ignoring the summoning conditions. (This Special Summon is treated as a Synchro Summon.)"


 * And since when do we use the anime effects over the effects they've been given for their official release? --Blue (Talk) 22:18, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Because it's not stated on the card (the text in parens) doesn't make it any less true. Of course we don't have any official rulings on the card yet, but I don't see anything to convince me right now that Stardust wouldn't be able to use his effect. I accept the anime ruling in this case because other than the parens the card text is essentially the same. It's not like Copycat or Catapult Turtle or something crazy like that in the anime.


 * In the anime, the Special Summon was treated as a Synchro Summon. The OCG card only says Special Summon. There is no reason to assume that it somehow counts as Synchro Summoning. --Blue (Talk) 22:35, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

When Stardust Dragon uses its negating effect, it will not revive itself if Special Summoned by Starlight Road. Why? Synchro Summoning counts as Special summoning, HOWEVER Special summoning does NOT count as Synchro Summoning. A Synchro monster must properly be Synchro Summoned to be "revived" from the grave/RFP zone. Starlight Road SPECIAL SUMMONS Stardust Dragon, which is NOT Synchro Summoning, meaning Stardust CANNOT be revived, even with its own effect. Hope this cleared things up. ElectroBlade 23:04, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

I never thought that Stardust Dragon would be limited because in can be countered easily nowadays and has a pathetic low attack for a level 8 monster. Now, about Starlight Road ur talking about,
 * "Stardust Dragon" won't revive itself when you use its effect if SS'd by starlight road because, a ruling state that it must be properly synchro summoned first to special summon it from the Grave/RFG zone. It's like a semi-nomi rulings. Because it was not synchro summoned properly but was SS'd by a card effect, it can't revive itself. --SilentHero26 10:58, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Your logic doesn't make any sense. It is being brought back from the grave by its own effect. If its effect works at all then it should come back. If I'm not mistaken stardust dragon does not say it can't be special summoned, nor does it say it only gets its effect if it's properly syncro summoned. So by using its effect it will come back from the grave at the end phase. As for weather it should be limited? it only deals with destruction, what i usually do with my crystal beasts is just activate crystal abundance. abundance is negated, then i activate a second one. not the most effect method at all, but it works for me.


 * He's right, because Synchro Monsters are treated as Semi-Nomi. Since Stardust was not Synchro Summoned, he cannot be revived by anything, including it's own effect. Falzar FZ 00:51, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're going by that logic then Starlight Road wouldn't work in the first place. I think the card text will have to say "ignoring its summoning conditions" for it to be playable at all, and if thats the case wont its ability still work then. since in a sense it was in fact special summoned.

=Goyo I'd like to ban= I would really like to ban "Goyo Guardian"! The hell with that guy who steals my monsters. It's not very logical to be a lvl 6 monster who has a ridiculous 2800 atk, have an irritating effect and can be summoned that easily?! Even though its limited now but its still pack a punch. --SilentHero26 10:58, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

=My Comments= 1. Goyo can't be banned. He is just a counter for too much stalling like for instance the morphtronics. its just a single Battle Mania and Goyo and say bye bye to morphtronic stallers Also, he is just a beatstick with no powers that activate in any phases except when he destroys monsters in battle. i know 2800 atk is too much for a lvl 6 monster, please just deal with it.

2. Stardust is just good for negating card destroyers, but he got crap stats for a lvl 8 monster.

3. JD needs to be limited. PERIOD.( if you wont limit him just semi limit any limited cards that can do otks, except DAD^_^)

4.ban the very low level/stat old school vanillas. so they can be in the hall of fame ^_^

June23ly 14:03, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

=How about Honest?= Say, will they place him to semi-limited or actually in the Limited list? It will definitely cripple LIGHT deck out there if he was semi-limited, or limited rather. I don't see why other people want to limit "Honest". There are many DARK support cards than LIGHT do so I think they might leave "Honest" alone. What's your thoughts about this??? --SilentHero26 05:04, January 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, DARK is about to get a huge nerf with Holy Light. Maybe they'll limit Honest to compensate. Runer5h 17:13, January 24, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

Mezuki DX
I love Mezuki so much, but it is sooooo broken. But I sadly think it will be limited, and when they do, I will be very disappointed in konami. Goblinpunch787

There should only one Sun and Moon
I bet Sun Dragon Inti and Moonlight Dragon Quilla will be limited. Much like Stardust they keep coming back over and over and over, however they have average stats for their levels and summon the other reguardless if it's an effect or battle. Also let's not forget one thing Inti will destroy the monster that fights him and inflict half the destroyed monster's ATK. The only thing that can beat them is a deck with removal cards, like D.D. Crow, and even then if the user has one or two more it's practicly unfair. --Azure Knight-Zeo 23:11, January 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Eh. Try a deck with monster effect negation. The combo is inconsistent and difficult to maintain - not at all broken. Runer5h 23:24, January 26, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h


 * Do you mind elaborating on how it's hard to maintain? True an "anti-meta" deck like the Koa'ki Meirus and Gravekeeper's. --Azure Knight-Zeo 00:04, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Brionac, RFG cards, etc. --Blue (Talk) 00:05, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * RFG? --Azure Knight-Zeo 00:43, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * RFG = Remove From Game
 * When Rex Godwin was using those cards, I was thinking that Jaden can easily beat him just by using Mole. Falzar FZ 00:16, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Limiting these cards will not make a difference, you only need one copy of each. The Horror 'Speak if you dare 15:06, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

You know what?
I miss Card of Safe Return. My psychic deck raged with that card. But as long as Plaguespreader Zombie + Imperial Iron Wall + Card of Safe Return = Ridiculous, I don't think it will come back..*hinthint* *winkwink* *coughBANPLAGUESPREADERcough*.--Helix-king 08:28, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Say no more, say no more. --Gadjiltron 11:36, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Gateway of the Six
What are the chances they will semi-limit or even limit this card? Everyone I duel when I use my Six Sam deck says it should be, but is it that broken?

208.35.40.67 15:24, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nah. Six Samurai don't win tournaments anymore, so Konami won't limit it. Runer5h 20:22, January 27, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h


 * No chances at all. Samurais aren't even that good. ~InfinitySlayer 23:17, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Here is what konami should do:
BAN THE FOLLOWING:

BRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BOUNDARY

DARK ARMED DRAGON

JUDGMENT DRAGON

GOBLIN ZOMBIE

MEZUKI

MIST WURM

SOLEMN JUDGMENT LIMIT THE FOLLOWING:

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END CYBER JAR

CYBER-STEIN

DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS

MAGICIAN OF FAITH

SINISTER SERPENT

CONFISCATION

DARK HOLE

MONSTER REBORN

PREMATURE BURIAL

THE FORCEFUL SENTRY CRUSH CARD VIRUS

RING OF DESTRUCTION

SEMI-LIMIT THE FOLLOWING: RED-EYES WYVERN

CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE

HONEST

UNLIMIT THE FOLLOWING:

DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS

CHAOS SORCERER

MASK OF DARKNESS

FOOLISH BURIAL

GOLD SARCOPHAGUS

ULTIMATE OFFERING

Personally I think that if every single card was made unlimited for a year and then figure out what people use and then ban and limit accordingly so that the list is made more up to date...Cards like Black Luster Solider - Envoy Of The Beginning are so out of date that in the current meta they wouldnt even make a bit of difference. I'm more afraid of 2 JDs that are easy as hell to get out on the field in one turn. And what threat does Sinister Serpent make for anyone...i'm sure a zombie swarm strategy would win over a sinister serpent recycle strategy...any comments...So i say BAN JD and DAD and settle a lot of frikin arguments...if you take out both power plays and then you limit the crap out of zombies to kill all 3 main formats...then see where the game goes... (Also, I am not biased here...I own a DAD deck and a JD Twilight deck...and i win WAAAAY too much...so seriously they all need to get banned.)


 * I see Judgment Dragon and DaD get hacked by you, despite being weaker than the Envoys in every aspect. So that's impossible. Now then what are your thoughts on Twilight getting the Envoys if you're so adamant about getting them back? "Here, I'm gonna drop a Judgment Dragon, nuke, drop another, remove for Emperor Dragon, summon Dark Armed Dragon, and remove for Luster Solder - Envoy. Stop me now." Are you kidding? The Envoys would propel Twilight into the first ever Tier 0 deck. Get real. Your banlist is outrageous. Cards that aren't very powerful (Mist Wurm, Brionac) getting Forbidden? Letting Reborn and Premature off? Wow. God save us all from Twilight. DemonGodAsura 22:00, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Your list is pretty flawed. There is absolutely no way BLS, CED, Cyber Jar, DMoC, Sentry, Reborn, Premature, and Sinister Serpent will ever be unbanned. Do you even know how overpowered these cards are? Also, LOL @ unlimiting Malicious. ~InfinitySlayer 23:23, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes right, we should unban two of the most broken cards ever, one of the most powerful destruction methods, among other broken cards and ban two cards that make a good but balanced deck meta, a universal negation card any deck can use, and a situational card that isn't easily summoned and is a 2500 ATK vanilla once summoned? I only have one thing to say: "Learn to play" --Reimu-H 23:28, January 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't agree to your list of banned cards. Cards usually placed in the banned list was old cards not really thought out by KONAMI when it was created (they're not futuristic when they created it). By now, it would totally ruin the game so they decided to amend to their mistakes and just banned it.
 * Why ban JD? Lightsworns will entirely ceased to exist if that card was banned. I just want to limit it, not to remove it all together.
 * Limit the 2 Envoys? They'll rule the meta deck out there even though they're outdated. I recall that when this card was limited someone won a championship with just 1 "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning", and after that KONAMI banned it. Envoys are too darned strong.
 * "Solemn Judgment" is usually a double edged sword so it doesn't need to be banned. That's not broken.
 * Cards that "nuke" the field with no cost whatsoever will be BANNED otherwise be limited. "Dark Hole" is pretty mean, so does "Cyber Jar".

--SilentHero26 06:06, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

I personally believe that the Envoys were banned for a REALLY good reason, and DAD and JD compare nowhere close to them, so....basically, this guy must not have played against these things when they were meta. Banning Mezuki and Goblin Zombie? I think you sir, have been seriously butt hurt by a couple certain archetypes in the past...so much that it clouds your judgment. Zombie=really freakin' fun deck. Goblinpunch787


 * I don know who make the list above, but luckily he's not the judges... Not enough experience i think? NoobYugiohPlayerLanspearsaber 16:27, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

The only way I would be "cool" with this "amateur" format list is if they Limit Dark Strike Fighter to 2 AND Gale to 2 and I PROMISE YOU THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN LOL! --TheDivineDuelist 04:20, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

=New Ban Card, plz.=

I'd like to see them unban something new... I don't know what wouldn't be broken, but still useful, but it'd be cool to throw something that hasn't been seen in a while into the mix. I liked what they did with Chaos Sorcerer, but I'm sick of the constant cycling through Monster Reborn, Premature Burial and Call of the Haunted. That so doesn't count. Well, we know Premature is gone forever, anyway...--YamiWheeler 23:57, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

I want Dimension Fusion unbanned. Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why it is banned. I can't figure out why they banned it at all. Was there some super combo involved with this that I am unaware of or what? Land of dogs 07:34, January 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * There was. It was called Diamond Dude Turbo. You would remove big monsters, then use something to place "Dimension Fusion" on top of the deck, then hit it with Diamond Dude. You'd skip the cost and summon a field full of monsters to OTK your opponent. DemonGodAsura 07:40, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Chaos Sorcerer Solemn Judgment Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind Black Whirlwind Infernity Necromancer Charge of the Light Brigade Stardust Dragon/Starlight Road Judgment Dragon Infernity Gun Infernity Mirage Tempest Magician }}
 * Newly Unlimited =
 * Newly Semi-Limited =
 * Newly Limited =

Limit
I think certain Lightsworn cards should be limited in order to make the deck on equal power to the other top tier decks.

Obviously, the main cards which should be considered for limitation are: Judgement Dragon and Charge of the Light Brigade Hebi No David 03:52, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'd love to see Pot of Greed go to 1. I think 2 or 3 would be OTT but it would be cool for it to be a staple again. Monster Reborn should go to 1 and Call of the Haunted should be banned just cos Reborn is more fun and flexible. ChaosSorcerer 17:19, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I love Pot of Greed, so that'd be cool, except then already powerful top-tier decks will gain even more speed. Blackwings now have Blackwing Treasure along with Allure of Darkness, and Pot of Greed in there too with no cost would be ott. I think that's why they come out with all of these Pot-of-Greed-esque-but-just-for-1-archetype/attribute/insertlimitationhere cards. I don't see Pot going up to 1. And I personally hate Monster Reborn. It's cheap, it's boring and it's old. I hope they leave it banned.--YamiWheeler 17:25, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, Konami was upset that "Pot of Greed" was banned so quickly, and it would most likely replace "Charge of the Light Brigade" should it get Limited in any way, which is likely. I can assure you that Blackwing decks will not use "Black Feather Treasure". It prevents them from SSing that turn, and only one can be activated per turn. The first reason alone is enough for Blackwing users to throw it away. Overall, Limiting or Semi-Limiting "Charge of the Light Brigade" and Limiting "Pot of Greed" would be good. Every deck would get some more speed, while at the same time slowing LS due to not having "Charge" at their beck and call. With Blackwings, Limiting or Semi-Limiting "Black Whirlwind" would do the same as "Charge". It's a win for everyone, but a slight loss for BW and LS users. DemonGodAsura 17:39, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think everyone is forgetting that Burn decks need to come back, a little. Everyone is annoyed at how much speed Lightsworns, Zombies, and Blackwings have, so why not let the Lock decks out of the cage a little? I really wouldn't mind Ojama Trio at 2, or maybe even 3. Since the opponent can use the Tokens for free Synchro Summon Material, and even avoid the minor damage. Also, I think Gravity Bind could go to 2. Level Limit - Area B will stay Limited, since it is a Spell and changes Battle Position, but Gravity Bind has been at 1 for far too long.--Akiza Izayoi 23:22, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not forgetting, I think it's dumb that Ojama Trio is restricted to 1 even though it basically gives free synchro opportunities to the opponent. I do think burn/stall cards should be taken off the limited lists, but I doubt it would make a dramatic difference anyway.

Fairy Wind/Trap Eater destroys stall/burn decks (mostly Fairy Wind lol). A lot of people side-deck that, like myself. Plus, burn/stall decks are so boring to play and to fight against, they should never be top tier. ElectroBlade 00:12, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Even putting aside the general Side Deck cards used, if Burn were ever to return to top tier, people could use so many cards to stop it. Prime Material Dragon, the new Black Feather Dragon, hell, even Des Wombat. So, I agree, I doubt Burn will ever make a big splash in the meta again unless they create a form of very speedy (by nature) burn. I actually made a few fan cards that burn quickly, but most people would probably consider them overpowered, I guess.--YamiWheeler 01:14, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

I realize that Burn will never be top tier... that was not what I meant. I'm saying that there is no point in limiting/banning Burn cards, because there are so many ways to get rid of them! It should be easy enough to destroy 2 Gravity Bind in one duel, so why not let it come back?--Akiza Izayoi 01:52, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think that Ojama Trio was limited partially because with more than one, you can potentially completely lock your opponent's monster zones (as long as you kill off the extra token first) with untributable tokens. Also, they are weak, easily summonable, non-tributable, burn when destroyed tokens that you don't really see anywhere else; ex: Wall of Ivy tokens can be tributed and Seed of Flame tokens don't do burn damage, neither summon more than 1 token, etc. However, I think semi-limiting these will be relatively fair.--SantaOrc26 02:53, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that KONAMI should somehow unbanning any card related to Burn/Stall Deck. Maybe some ppl complaining this deck so bored to play or against with as it's killing lot of our precious time. But think again, is it fun to end the duel in just 2 or 3 turn play? Or with so many OTK deck? Someone should stop that metagame from doing anything they please! With this, there'll be lot of option deck to play compare to our previous tournament where we can only see DAD, Lightsworn, GB or BF...
 * Thus, limited any main card or beatstick from metagame deck ( JD, Gyzarus, Heraklinos, Black Whirlwind etc ) might turn the table. This is only the opinion though... NoobYugiohPlayerLanspearsaber 07:21, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Healthy Format changes...

 * Black Whirlwind This card makes BF/BW decks worse than when all we had was 3 Gales. I know a lot of you dont think so and will have plenty of angry things to say about this. I run BF is I know how broken they are, this card needs to be at 1. From what I understand this card is great because it causes your opponent to chose between to evils. They can waste backfield destruction cards or watch you get ass-kicking cards straight to the hand. From experience even the TF4 AI cant decided what to do.


 * Judgment Dragon Broken at two! I dont understand how Sworn user can even defend this card being at 2. The only thing that stop JD is Solemn and thats at 1! Oh, and Saber Hole (As if duelist are going to run Sabers just to stop JD). This card is fine at one. We put Gale at one and BF's still work just fine. Yes there are other things you can use but I mean really? Should all duelist be made to run Divine Wrath and My Body as a Shield just for one card?

After ABPF cards are around for a bit maybe I will add to this...