Forum:Rank-Up Magic and Bottomless/Torrential/etc.

If I use [Rank-Up-Magic Barian's Force to summon a C Number or CXyz with 1500 atk, can my opponent activate Bottomless Trap Hole or Torrential Tribute if I can't use Barian's Force's effect to take an Xyz Material from an opponent's Xyz Monster or will my opponent not be able to use Bottomless/Torrential because the Xyz Material-taking effect is not optional (since it is the last thing to happen after the summon of the C Number/CXyz)? What about for Rank-Up-Magic - Numeron Force?

Millefiore24368 (talk • contribs) 04:23, September 29, 2013 (UTC)