Forum:Stardust Dragon

In my opinion, this card will become THE most broken card in the meta. This pretty lizard is almost immortal, able to negate anything with 2500 atk to boot. Like Jinzo, when your oponent has this card is on the field, your pretty much done for..... I'm guessing that this card will go on the ban list...--Tantara 01:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, there are still ways to get rid of it. Bottomless Trap Hole comes to mind. Bluedog 01:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * read trap hole you idiot it says destroy


 * I don't know what your problem is....but I meant use it when they synchro summon Stardust...chill out. Bluedog 01:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Easiest way 2 beat the dragon is to remove it from play
 * Yes, yes. But... there's Imperial Iron Wall. At least in the OCG. However it is still vulnerable to being beaten down in battle.--Gadjiltron 10:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Best way to get rid of Stardust is to run over it with another high attack monster. You can also use Book of Moon on it and use your destruction card without having to worry about it being negated by Stardust. Also, Bottomless Trap Hole can be negated by Stardust even when it is summoned.  At that point Stardust has been summoned successfully, Bottomless says "destroy" on it, and Stardust can negate it.  -- Sub 05:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Just beat Stardust with something that doesn't involve distruction by effects. Simply use raise or downgrade of ATK and/or DEF and you can easily kill it. It always hurts the most for the Stardust user to see it die by the attack of a common 2600 or more monster. :D Doczo 03:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * This card will never be banned or limited in any way. It's 2500 attack power is nice, but it's not enough. You can run it over with a Goyo Guardian, who is much easier to bring out. Then you can use Goyo's effect to take your opponent's Stardust Dragon. You can stop it from hitting the field by using Solemn Judgment, Black Horn of Heaven, Royal Oppression. And since Solemn Judgment and Black Horn of Heaven are counter traps, your opponent can't use a Stardust that is already on the field to negate it. Animedude3000 14:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

no way this card will be banned it's alot easier to kill than you think you can use soul exchangen, solenm judgment black horn of heaven, or brain control.There are even more ways that my brother uses all the time like dimensional fissure,and macro cosmos that my brother uses all the time(that's why I use three). Monarch1 01:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Many times I had lost this card from my field simply because my opponent's Shrink Neos lover 04:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't like Stardust Dragon because it kills all my favorite strategies. But I'm aware that that is because my favorite strategies involve blowing up lots of cards and that's not a strat that people look very kindly upon. It's somewhat of a refreshing game change in light of the other crap Konami's been trying to peddle on us lately. Danny Lilithborne 04:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Danny, this card will mean people are going to start using a lot of alternative strategies to just blowing stuff up now. We'll see a recurrance of the use of cards like Compulsory Evacuation Device and Shadow Spell and others, which won't be a bad thing--it'll mean that people will be less likely to just always have three Sakuretsu Armors in their deck. Speedball 08:10, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, in my case it means packing three Dimensional Prisons instead. :P Danny Lilithborne 09:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Until Imperial Iron Wall comes out. Haha. Actually, I'll have the same problem at that point. :( Animedude3000 15:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

well,,, I believe there will be a card that prevent synchro summons, just like fusion summons. anyway, try Burden of the Mighty eh? Neos lover 05:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Stardust Dragon cannot be targeted by Bottomless Trap Hole and other cards because he's Synchro Summoned and those cards don't say Synchro Summoned. He's only vulnerable to destruction by battle, unfortunately. Haou 18:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Haou

Actually synchro summons count as special summons so you can use bottomless trap hole on it though he could still negate his effect. Monarch1 19:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Bottomless Trap Hole doesn't target, so you can use it on Thought Ruler Archfiend. Though using it on Stardust Dragon will just cause your opponent to negate it with Stardust's effect. Animedude3000 01:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I think they will release Mirror_of_Harmonia on next pack, so synchros and specially Stardust dragon have a good counter strategy. At least, I hope that.


 * While we're on the topic of Stardust Dragon, what about Stardust Dragon/Buster? I mean, geez.  It can stop spells, traps, and monster effects regardless of whether they destroy or not.  I guess counter traps are pretty much you're only hope. --EgyptianGods 18:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thing is, when Stardust Dragon/Buster is destroyed by something like Divine Wrath you get to special summon Stardust Dragon afterwards. So counter traps can end up screwing you up too.  -- Sub 16:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Stardustdragon/Buster is almost Black Luster Soldier-Envoy of the Beginning level of broken and it will probably be a really rare really expenisve card that if you don't have your deck is obsolete.Monarch1 01:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry I'm a huge fan of Stardust I run 2 thinking about running 3 cuz let's face it as much play as it's seeing now especially in the metagame it's would be a shock to not see it limited to at most 2 per deck. come to think about it would be really funny to see him and Red Archfeind Dragon (which I see hitting the limited list too) being the first sychros to hit the list in march and it's the easiest for everyone to get.

anyways there are way too many ways to push it aside sure it's a DAD and a Judgment killer/stall but come on just play a destroy card that doesn't really matter let the poor unfortunate soul send Stardust to the grave and BOOM! d.d. crow! and lets face it who ever doesn't run d.d. crow in their main deck should carry him in the side deck.

if all else fails you could always be a true jerk and brain control/mind control/creature swap whatever, level tuning "o look your stardust is now level 7! 1 star tuner. synchro. My Stardust."

there is another way to kill stardust well not exactly

first you use lv or something your opponent will negate it and then you use monster reborn but whatever you do don't use its effect after because you opponent will get it back because it will go to there grave --Marshall565 16:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Personally I don't have alot of problem with stardust since I always have cards that return it to the owners deck/hand, black rose dragon is the one that always gets me - manus0077

Stardust Dragon will at least become limited as far as I know, but I may be wrong. That should bring down the temper of some duelists who absolutely hate Stardust Dragon being used against them. However, Black Rose Dragon is pretty much unlimited anyway, but I know for a fact that Stardust Dragon will hit the ban list sooner or later. Aki Izayoi 19:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

One Stardust, IMO, is enough to annoy the heck out of the opponent, anyway. --Gadjiltron 03:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

It is somewhat broken, but not maybe more then limited, but the assault vesion, they better ban that! Ryanfireball 02:09, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

-well stardust dragon is already a broken card, although it should not be banned, i believe it still should be limited. Reasons would be that this card has the ability to negate the activation of a card that destroy and then comes back. Most cards nowadays are cards that destroy. Second, even though you have all those options of ridding a star dust such as complusory, horn of heaven, royal oppression, how many of those cards are actually played. Mirror force is seen a lot in many places unfortnately, it destroys cards. Cards like royal oppression would be what anti-meta decks play. Are there a lot of people playing with anti-meta decks? Finally, there is the mentioned of cards such as the goyo guardian and archfiend dragon. Although they are high attack, how would you expect to summon them if your opponent with the stardust has the upperhand? You could, but then you would need special summoning cards such as The Tricky, junk synchron. When thinking of wheather Stardust is to be limited or not, you need to also know what cards people usually play now. And even if they do play with the mention cards that will get rid of stardust, they only represent small amounts of the deck. For example, someone with a Caius will not necessarily be the one who puts int a dark core, Black horn of heaven. Oooxp 01:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)Oooxp

-I run a a legendary ocean deck and still do which you could say is not a meta-deck. When i first discover stardust dragon, i realize it was extremely hard to kill especially with many bottomless trap holes, a smashing ground and monster removal cards. Now cards to counter stardust would be gravity bind, level limit, abyss soldier, nightmare penguin, giga gagagigo with ALO, scrap-iron scarecrow, penguin soldier. I could go on, and this is my main deck but then it would do bad against decks that do not require so much sacrifice to get out cards such as Gladiators.Oooxp 01:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)Oooxp

You have to be joking =/
Stardust Dragon Will not be Limited for the main reason that it already has a fair amount of counters, first of all its a weak monster attack wise and even less defense wise. Its only 2500 atk, goyo has 2800 =/. Second of all sacrificing it to negate something leaves it in the grave where its vunerable to DD Crow, or Monster Reborn (Symbols of duty if anybody runs that). And on the field they have that one "Take out of play" version of Sakuretsu, Compulses, Caius effect, Solemn, Divine Wrath, Black Horn of Heaven, Horn of Heaven, Royal Oppression, Dark Core, Snipe Hunter, and I am pretty sure the list goes on. There are more than enough ways to counter stardust, and almost everybody who has monster reborn will run it so you can purposely make them sacrifice stardust to use monster reborn on him =/.

So anyways no need for any sort of limit it isnt broken at all. And assault modes do take a little while to get out. Stardust dragon's Assault or buster modes whichever you prefer is sorta broken but it still shares the grave weaknesses of Stardust, it just loses the on field weaknesses that are not from a "Negate Summon" Effect or "Negate Effect" in the example of Black horn of heaven, royal oppression, and Divine wrath. That and it isnt as fast as you might think to get out. I made a proxy deck based around it for fun. Played a couple matches, it worked well a lot of the times though if you were facing a skilled player they probably would just sideboard a DD crow. Or they might have solemn already ready. Its not an incredibly fast strategy even if you can search the Buster/assault mode trap, you still need to be able to send stardust back to deck. Which I had a method of doing so =/. Expensive as hell though =/ so I am NEVER making that deck, wasnt planning to in the first place, it was a for fun thing for me.

I agree with you that Stardust Dragon isn't broken. However I watched an ocg duel on youtube and one of the two players had a Stardust Dragon/Buster deck. He managed to get out Stardust Dragon/Buster first turn. Then after the duel he shows that he can get him out first turn almost everytime. Also keep in mind that all the cards that he was using with the exception of Buster Mode and Stardust Dragon Buster are already out in the tcg. Monarch1 15:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Its as you say, Busters can get out first turn, well technically second turn of the duel (Counting opponents) because you have to SET buster mode though you could search out buster mode using buster beast. Though my deck moved fairly fast maybe I got some unlucky draws. But its entirely possible to get Buster out at the beginning of the game in which case DD Crow or any negate summon effect should work. Also I have no clue how to sign my username like that lol :O I have been signing it like so. Takuma. Well if somebody could fill me in on HOW to sign thanks XD I wont have to sign it like that.


 * You sign by typing 4 tildes ( ~ ), and that generates a signature for you. There also is a "Your Signature with Timestamp" button in the toolbar of the Edit Page/Leave Message. And I too agree that Stardust Dragon won't be touched at all. /Busters are strong, yeah, but are a pain to summon, and can still be removed easily. --Darth Covah 10:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Stardust Dragon can be Removed From Play with D.D. Warrior, D.D. Warrior Lady, and D.D. Assailant. Darkpaladin1967 16:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

This card is far from invincable and I can't see it banned, limitted or even Semi limited.
° I run Stardust like everyone should, i dont bring to the field unless I can Battle Tuned, because of its low Attack. Even then your opponent could use something similar to Swords of Concealing Light, and just attack its somewhat weak defense. ° If your opponent has Goyo Guardian, and takes Stardust from you, your opponent now has a very nasty defense setup using your card.

Check out these two videos and you'll see what I meant about first turn Stardust Dragon/Busters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KBDIf71wyI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMJyJ3mMrg. Monarch1 19:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone ever heard of Caius?
Its a great card, its used in tournaments a lot.

Stardust, weakness and why it shouldn't be banned

 * Stardust may seem unbeatable but it has a few flaws. First, it only has 2500 attack points when Red Dragon Archfiend has 3000 attack and Goyo Guardian has 2800 attack points. Second is that it can't counter cards to bounce it back to the hand (which would send it to the fusion pile) or remove from play cards. Third is that you can trick your opponant into using it's counter effect and use something like Solemn Judgment, Pollinosis , or even another Stardust Dragon.


 * Correction: Solemn Judgment and Pollinosis can only negate Stardust Dragon's Synchro Summon. They cannot negate its effect. Divine Wrath and Gladiator Beast War Chariot, on the other hand, can. Skill Drain will not negate Stardust Dragon's effect, either, and neither will Destiny Hero - Plasma. --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 22:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Question...

 * Can Stardust Dragon negate the effect of another Stardust Dragon or Prime Material Dragon or something like that? --Sky Scourge God 01:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, it can. Aserik 14:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Wait though, if Prime Material negates the activation of the card and destroys it, than Stardust Dragon would not be able to negate it, because since Prime Material negated the activation of the card, it technically never hits the field, and Stardust Dragon can only use it's effects on cards that destroy other card(s) on the field. --Phoenix25 01:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)Phoenix25


 * Thats kind what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure. It does say "destroy the card" though, but you could be right about the whole negation thing. I don't know, maybe I should ask Konami or something, lol. XD --Sky Scourge God 17:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Stardust does say it negates a card that it "destroys the card", but the card must destroy a card(s) on the field, which is the most important part. I don't think you can chain it to something that negates the activation of the card that it destroys. --Phoenix25 20:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for helping me clear that up! :) --Sky Scourge God 22:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't believe it's the same for spells and traps that it is for summoning. When you negate a summon, the summoned monster is never summoned, and therefore never hits the field. But I've never heard anything like that for spells/traps. When I activate Lightning Vortex, and you chain Prime Material Dragon, I still activated Lightning Vortex. I paid the cost, it hit the field, you just negated the effect and destroyed the card itself. However, you might want to post this on the ruling queries forum or on the talk pages of one of the people who know more. Aserik 15:22, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

hahhaaaaaaaaaahaa
its called solemn judgment and royal oppression.


 * With cards like Raiza, Compulsory, Caius and Shrink, you can't really say the card is that broken. Cloak007 04:02, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I just beat it down. It will be on the field for one turn, and then I destroy it using either Prideful, or Book of Moon + Search Striker. I have no problem with it, even though I have plenty of "destruction" cards in my deck. Messengerofthedark 13:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark

Stardust Dragon
All the cards that I have read in this forum that can destroy the Stardust Dragon does work because they were played against my Stardust Dragon but if you have Assault Mode Activate and Stardust Dragon/Assault mode and then when Stardust/Assult is destroyed you can bring back Stardust Dragon from your graveyard to the field. Or, you can use monster reborn to bring back Stardust dragon but since it will be special summoned trap hole will work against it and trap hole will detroy Stardust Dragon because it is being tributed summoned.


 * What? Trap Hole only works on monsters that are normal summoned. Its impossible to normal summon any kind of Synchro Monster cause you can't have them in your hand. In other word: Trap Hole not only sucks overall, but its especially useless agianst Synchro's, including Stardust Dragon. --Sky Scourge God 05:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I find my deck in general is quite good at dealing with Stardust. I run a Lava Golem, which is a fun card to use against people with Stardust, as well as Caius and to a lesser extent Wall of Illusion. I suppose Neo-Spacian Grand Mole could annoy your opponent if you used it as well. N-Pie 13:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

STARDUST WILL RUST
ok stardust will never be banned bc it has sooooo many counters and plus its a synchr. its not like its a tribute monster where you can revive it whenever you want and play it. the reason they put synchros into this game was to balance out powers and make eveything more even so that duelists can figure out more amazing strategies. --Hogle123 17:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually synchros were put into the game to further expand yugioh and get new ideas for cards to sell and make a profit. If anything Synchro's unbalances everything because they can be used in nearly any deck. Tribute monsters are way weaker than synchro's because they need tributes and really aren't that powerful most of the time. Anyway, Stardust won't be banned or even limited though because when it first came out there was tons of easy ways to get rid of it. Nowadays you have even more with shrink, Gale the Whirlwind, and other methods.--Takuma. 20:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

stardust dragon can be revived with monster reborn or call of the haunted? and what about the other synchros?

All Synchro monsters, once successfully summoned, can be revived through means like Monster Reborn and the like if they hit the Grave or RFG zone. Negating their summon with a card effect will prevent this from happening. --Gadjiltron 08:34, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Stardust is no longer the dominating force of the Tele-DAD era, it's now easily run over through cards such as Book of Moon, Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind, Shrink, Honest, Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow, and others. This card won't be banned for a LONG time. --Tantara (talk) 14:45, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Stardust's somewhat lackluster ATK is what balances out its powerful effect. It can get defeated by any number of synchros, such as Gaia Knight, Goyo, Red Dragon Archfiend, Thought Ruler, etc, etc, etc. Runer5h 03:20, September 7, 2009 (UTC)Runer5h
 * That's why more cards are made to be like Waboku's effect.--Supremdragonking 03:37, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

yet another counter
if someone uses stardust dragons's effect you can special summom dragonic knight which has 2800 atk for easy kill 4 Words  [Blackwing - Gale The Whirlwind]

Better yet:

1 word: Shrink

How comes none's though of "Mask of Restrict" it basically makes Stardust effect useless, then you can just destroy Stardust with anything, another choice is to simply activate something menacing (like lightning vortex) and wait for Stardust Effect to actovate, then once it is out of the field summon either jowgen, a Barrier statue (except for Stormwinds) or Vanity's ruler/fiend, or chain royal opresion, it doesn't matter if your opponent destroys your jowgen or barrier statue next turn, the Dragon is gone for good. HouseholdCatDeity 04:41, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Outs used in todays meta
Chaos Sorcerer Caius goyo RDA thought ruler collosal solemn judgement gale oppression D.A.D. JD Brain/Mind Control Phoenix wing wind blast...

hows it broken? Sephiroth43562 08:49, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Today's game, Stardust Dragon is most definately not broken. Consider Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier, Mist Wurm, and Phoenix Wing Wind Blast.--Black Rose 13:08, November 17, 2009 (UTC)