Talk:Lancers

Mieru is a Lancer?
Kind of curious here. Was Mieru a candidate for the "Lancers" because she is one of the survivors of when the Fusion Dimension attacked the tournament. She's present when Yuya angrily faces Declan about becoming a Lancer. --ReshiramArc1255 (talk • contribs) 23:46, April 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * The OP and ED seem to imply that she won't be. We'll see, though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:15, April 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * She did not participate much so I doubt it. Alas she is a recurring character, maybe she will join later or fill the gap that Dennis may leave? --BGMaxie (talk • contribs) 00:20, April 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * That all might be true, but all the Lancers are shown in the beginning of both themes. Yuya, Serena, Noboru, Shingo, Shun, Reira, Dennis, and the ninja. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 00:27, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Reira was one of the lancers because of winning the junior division. I think Mieru is on reserve until something bad happens like Dennis betrays the group or something. (CosmoStar24 (talk • contribs) 02:08, April 6, 2015 (UTC))

add topic
in Episode 70 did declan said Zuzu was a lancer in today's epsiode should we add her to the section ? i need to see the sub (The Twinke Star in the Skies 15:22, August 23, 2015 (UTC))


 * Then wait until the sub is out...
 * Dread (talk • contribs) 15:56, August 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * As it turns out, he said that she had the skills of a Lancer, so the Council decided to count her victory as a point in their favor. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 21:41, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Ep89
Does Sora really count as an unofficial Lancer? Would like to see more on this. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 00:48, January 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say that Zuzu or Sora are "unofficial" Lancers, just allies to the Lancers' cause. And for Sora, that's not really the case; he just wants to protect Zuzu (and possibly the friends he made) at a minimum. He's not actually against the cause of "Dimension combining" that the Academy promotes. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 02:39, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Zuzu is considered a Lancer by Declan and the Council. As for Sora, he's not considered one, but he does work with them, as do Crow and Tokumatsu, so they're considered allies. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 23:34, February 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * What the Council thinks means nothing and Reiji never said she was a Lancer. The page has no need for a list of allies/potential Lancers. If it gets re-added, I will lock the page, unless you can bring for a better argument. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:44, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

Summoning method
Why are we listing this in the table anyway? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:38, March 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * Trivia that the author was interested in I assume. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 03:16, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Well tbh they did place special empathizes for the summon methods in this series MrAsianhappydude (talk • contribs) 15:10, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

All right, in regards to the edit war, begin discussion here.

My two cents: I prefer DragonEmperor's edits; they add more information. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 00:04, May 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for the edit war, but when DragonEmperor didn't give a reason for undoing my edits and when no one messaged me to stop or discuss it, I wasn't sure what else to do except wait for someone to notice what was going on. But the edits I made wasn't anything like when I labeled Yuzu as an unofficial lancer. I edited the preferred summoning mechanics because listing every summoning Reiji, Yuya, Reira, and Dennis can do was unnecessary, and so was listing tribute summon for the ninja characters because they don't have a preferred summoning. I also edited Serena's status as unknown because we don't know for sure if she and Barret ended up back in Fusion. It looked liked he pressed Xyz on his duel disk instead, but since it hasn't been confirmed yet, that's why I left it like that. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 00:40, May 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * Great, a no show. That'll make it hard to resolve this. But I do see your points, and raise my own.
 * In terms of Summoning, Declan, Yuya and Riley are all very different. Declan doesn't specialize, Riley doesn't specialize but doesn't have access to Pendulums and Yuya specializes in Pendulum but can access all of the others. As for Celina, regardless she ended up captured, whether it's in Fusion or Xyz since she could still barely move. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 01:14, May 6, 2016 (UTC)

I put the Summoning methods back because Declan uses Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, & Pendulum while Riley uses the first three. Even though the ninja brothers don't use any of the pro Summoning methods, Tribute Summon is still a method that was used a lot in Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters. As for Dennis and Celina, they were sent back to Duel Academy and should included since they are Lancers. DragonEmeperor (talk • contribs) 02:12, May 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * But the summoning methods are to meant to emphasize their specific style of dueling. Just because Yuya can use all of the summoning styles, doesn't mean he uses them all the time, aside from Pendulum. Which is also why I removed the Tribute summon for Tsukikage and Hikage, because tribute summoning doesn't count. If they don't use extra deck summons, then it shouldn't be included. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 16:55, May 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * But Declan and Riley dueling style's focus on Fusion, Synchro, and Xyz so theirs should be left. For Tsukikage and Hikage even though it's not a extra deck summoning, Tribute is still a method that's been used since Yu-Gi-Oh!. DragonEmeperor (talk • contribs) 17:46, May 12, 2016 (UTC)


 * No they shouldn't. For those two, you could've just left it as various. And that list is meant to list the special summoning methods and last time I checked, tribute summoning isn't one. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 22:09, May 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter if it's a Special Summon or not. Fact is, Tribute Summoning is a method of summon monsters, one that is practised and specialised in. And Moon/Sun Shadow are practitioners of it. If you want everyone else's listed, then there is no reason not to list their's -just- because you wanted to add an arbitrary rule set to it which has not been mentioned until you brought it up. PhotonLegion95 (talk • contribs) 22:32, May 13, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's not what I'm saying. What I'm trying to say is that the list should mention the extra deck summons each Lancer uses. If one of them doesn't specialized in one, it should left as none. It's like how some of the Number's Hunters hunt Numbers, yet they don't have any themselves, and are listed as none. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 00:05, May 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * Are we going to continue this discussion? --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 17:00, May 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer to remove the entire section of the table that deals with the Summoning methods, actually. I seem to be in the minority though.Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:47, May 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * You know? Support. It can be subjective and it's not a really important thing, I guess. We can find info about the Summon methods they use (and the one they use the most) on their individual pages, nonetheless. We can find the rest of the info their pages as well, but gathering it here is better to compare them, where they are/come from, etc.. Their preferred Summoning method is not as objective and can lead to discussion like this.
 * I'd say we wouldn't lose much by removing that part, like Cheesedude pointed out. Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 19:14, May 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * Fine, but going by that logic, should the section listing the dimensions be removed as well? --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 19:58, May 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * That's part of my reasoning for wanting to remove it - its mostly covered by the Dimension column anyway. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:04, May 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 20:08, May 17, 2016 (UTC)

Are you going to remove it so we can put this behind us? --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 16:47, May 18, 2016 (UTC)


 * Not without more input from other users or a significant length of time with no objections. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:51, May 18, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it's safe to assume that this has been forgotten, otherwise since no one commented until yesterday. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 17:01, May 18, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's been more than two weeks since anyone commented. I think that's long enough to unlock the article. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 00:57, May 30, 2016 (UTC)


 * Support, now that Cheese has said his part and convinced me. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 03:26, June 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * I removed the Summoning methods since they're not needed and because it's going to start another edit war.DragonEmeperor (talk • contribs) 21:45, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Friendship Cup cleanup
I think we should clean up the season two section and make more concise. It makes up about 80% of the page. MrAsianhappydude (talk • contribs) 03:27, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

edit
can this be edited thanks (The Twinke Star in the Skies 01:10, May 28, 2016 (UTC))

The Lancers (ランサーズ Ransāzu), short for Lance Defence Soldiers (ランス・ディフェンス・ソルジャーズ Ransu Difensu Sorujāzu),[1] are an organization of Duelists affiliated with the Standard Dimension that were organized by Declan Akaba in order to fight against invaders from other dimensions.The Lancers are Consider Enemy of Duel Academy (ARC-V) as said by Leo Akaba that The lancers are a threat to his Area Arc Project and sends the tyler twins to the Xyz Dimension.

Candidates
According to episode 106, Yusho Sakaki was also a candidate to the Lancers before he disappeared. So could someone who has access to edit the page can add him in the section of Former Candidates? --Mantor98741 (talk • contribs) 14:30, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

Yuto as a Lancer
Since the Lancers articles has finally been unblocked, I wanted to ask something that's been on my mind; should Yuto be considered as a Lancer? I'm asking because he's been active lately inside of Yuya and even dueled through him. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 04:07, July 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * No. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:13, July 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * I mean count Yuya and him as one person, like how Yuma and Astral were on the Number Hunters page before the last few episodes, or they take over in a duel. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 10:36, July 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't really see the need to mention it. He should be treated the same as any other ally. He can be mentioned in the article when/if the article the talks about events where he and Yuya cooperated, but there is no need for an allies section or to shoehorn him into a table. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:19, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

Allies
should we add their allies from each dimension or no needSaeryukgkj (talk • contribs) 13:54, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * No. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:13, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Inactive and Recovering
so is Shay Temporary inactive this image shows him in a Recovery Pod (The Twinke Star in the Skies  23:51, July 3, 2016 (UTC))

No. Yeah, he should probably be moved to inactive. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:27, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

2000 LP Penalty
The penalty has been around since the battle royal, since Yuya never received one when he joined in on Sora and Yuto's duel. But every time the penalty is inflicted, it's usually during a duel involving at least one of the Lancers. I can prove this because Sora received a penalty when he aided Tsukikage in his duel against Obelisk Force, but suffered no such penalty when he and Yuzu joined a duel against Security. Likewise, Yugo didn't take a penalty when he took over Yuu's duel against Obelisk Force, Crow never received a penalty when he aided Shinji and his friends against Security, and Security themselves suffered no penalty when they intruded on Yuya and Jack's duel because Yuya was using a D-Wheeler from the Synchro Dimension instead of his Duel Disk from Standard. This evidence suggests that only the Lancers or anyone joining in a duel involving a Lancer receive the penalty, probably as another weapon in Reiji's arsenal to weaken the enemy if they intrude on a Lancer's duel. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 04:06, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I can agree with this, but is it worth mentioning in the trivia? YugoTheClearWindRider (talk • contribs) 04:09, July 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * It has to be mentioned somewhere. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 04:17, July 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * No it doesn't. There is no actual proof that its a Lancers-exclusive thing. You have quite a bit of evidence, but its nothing solid. Not really sure it is worth mentioning anyways. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 04:20, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

It should be mentioned, just not in the trivia section. Maybe make a page for it? Until we make a page or find a place for it, I'm removing it. YugoTheClearWindRider (talk • contribs) 04:23, July 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * I just showed you proof on why it is Lancer-exclusive. The only time Yuya didn't receive a penalty in a duel he joined midway through was when he dueled Yuto with Sora before the battle royal and before he became a Lancer and I don't seem to recall Reiji receiving one when he joined Selena's duel against Academia instructors. I'll go over every duel where the penalty took place and show you why it is Lancer-exclusive:

Dennis received the penalty when he intruded on Yuya's duel against Umesugi and Takeda

Michio, Teppei, Sawatari, and Gogenzaka received the penalty when they intruded on Kurosaki, Selena, and Tsukikage's duel against Obelisk Force

Yuya, Gogenzaka, and Kurosaki received the penalty when they intruded on Sawatari's duel against the Arrest Corps

Reira received the penalty when three Security officers already had they're Duel Disks active

Sora received the penalty when he intruded on Tsukikage's duel against Obelisk Force

Sergey received the penalty when he intruded on Yuya and Barrett's duel

Gogenzaka received the penalty when he intruded on Sawatari's duel against Kaito

Roger received the penalty when he used a hologram to reenter his duel against Reiji

Kaito received the penalty when he intruded on Yuya and Kurosaki's duel against Obelisk Force

Now I'll mention the duels where there was no penalty inflicted or a Lancer involved:

Yuya never received a penalty when he intruded on Sora's duel against Yuto

Reiji never received a penalty when he intruded on Selena's duel against three Academia instructors

Yugo never received a penalty when he intruded on Yuu's duel against Obelisk Force

Yuzu and Sora never received a penalty when four Security officers already had they're Duel Disks active

Crow never received a penalty when he intruded on Shinji, Damon, and Tony's duel against Security

Security never received a penalty when they intruded on Yuya and Jack's Turbo Duel because Yuya was using a D-Wheeler from the Synchro Dimension instead of his Duel Disk that Reiji had upgraded in Standard

Every duel I've listed where the penalty was inflicted, aside from the battle royal, usually involved a Lancer either joining or already a part of the duel, while every duel I've listed where the penalty wasn't inflicted, was usually before the Battle Royal, or did not involve a Lancer, especially Yuzu and Sora's duel because the former used a Standard Duel Disk and still suffered no penalty. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 05:01, July 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * Your not even going to comment on my prof, but you'll still undo edit. That's only going to get this article locked. Wait until an admin responds on the talk page. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 08:17, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

"It should be mentioned, just not in the trivia section. Maybe make a page for it? Until we make a page or find a place for it, I'm removing it. YugoTheClearWindRider (talk • contribs) 04:23, July 5, 2016 (UTC)" YugoTheClearWindRider (talk • contribs) 08:50, July 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * I can't make a page just for the penalty. What's the problem with mentioning it in the trivia? That's basically what it is! Your only undoing that edit just because you don't think it belongs there without getting a second opinion. You don't even have a good excuse for it other than it shouldn't be in the trivia. Until we get an admin involved, please do not undo any more edits or else we'll keep edit warring, the article will be locked, and no one but the admins will be able to edit on here. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 08:59, July 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * It looks to me more like the writers and animators simply inconsistently apply the penalty.
 * That being said, I DO think a page for the penalty is a fine idea. The page could easily go into the specifics of above and that would be fine. We just would not want to speculate as to WHY each of those things happened, just that they did. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 09:32, July 5, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's not really speculation. After all, every time the penalty was applied, it was usually in a duel involving a Lancer.
 * Anyway, when you put it like that, I guess setting up a page for the penalty would be okay, but I still think it should be mentioned in the trivia, just not in full detail. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 09:53, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

Edit Warring
Know that I don't like having to lock the page anymore than you guys do, but you have left me no choice. This page being unlocked attracts edit warring like a magnet. If changes need to be made to this page, please either post them here or on my talk page and I will get to adding them if need-be. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:20, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Then let's remove the preferred Summoning methods, that's the real cause of the page being locked all the time. DragonEmeperor (talk • contribs) 16:50, July 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * No, the real cause for this is how you keep undoing edits without giving any justifiable reason or discuss why said edits should be removed on the talk page. I've asked you time and again to discuss why before you undid the edits in the talk, but instead you just decided for yourself that the edits don't belong, and undid them anyway. I've warned you the page would be locked again if we didn't talk this out, but you wouldn't listen. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 21:02, July 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * I all ready told you before, the Summoning methods listed out has fine if we put various newcomers might think they can use ready method out. That's why I did think if nobody can agree with the methods removing them is all right with me. DragonEmeperor (talk • contribs) 22:17, July 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * What would newcomers think? --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 23:35, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

Remove the column if it hasn't been removed already. We agreed to do this, yes? Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 01:37, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * Column removed. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 02:22, July 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * You can't remove it. Having the summoning methods listed is no different than listing which dimension each Lancer is from. It's a plot point. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 02:32, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm with Sanokal here. It's already been agreed on that the Summoning method column should be removed. Cheesedude gave his reasons.ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 03:30, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * Can't we at least come to some sort of compromise? --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 21:45, July 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * Compromise? You agreed to this in the first place, but what do you have in mind? Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 00:49, July 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * Something like moving the summoning methods each Lancer specializes in to another part of the article. --Jackpo21 (talk • contribs) 18:20, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Dennis Inactive
How about we change Dennis' status to inactive and add how he was carded (by himself)? Celina is 'inactive' and alive and the carding is mentioned with Sun Shadow, so logically, Dennis should be marked as such. Tim Voltus (talk • contribs) 11:13, July 18, 2016 (UTC)