User talk:Resk/DFF Trials 1-4

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User:The Antichrist


 * Seems to be really darn slow
 * Edit:

"Hello, this is Christ, sorry guys its taking so long im staying with my dad for about a few wekks because hes ill and he has no computer so can you all wait? I only had time to send this message becuase I had to go to the library. Thank You All. --The Antichrist (talk • contribs) 23:57, July 25, 2011 (UTC)"

so... - Resk ( ✩ ) 01:02, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that's fine then, his dad's ill come on, we have to have hearts, sort ah. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  02:48, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I say, if we don't get the decks soon (Within 2 weeks), we say no to him as well. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  22:11, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

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User:Xuhaofei110


 * 12 harpies,- Resk ( ✩ ) 01:02, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * He didn't know about the rulings, the same applies to cards like A Legendary Ocean and Umi. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  02:47, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, far this guys got my disapproval, but I want to see what he comes up with for Harpie Vally. Well I run the same deck and you do too Resk, and BF2 has some variant of Harpies. So, let's wait until then. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  02:51, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * For venomnomnom deck, requires tribute summons for King, despite existance of Limit Reverse & Damage = Reptile, so deck seems less than avarage for that, if cards were unknown, at the very least the tips page mentions them,,,
 * - Resk ( ✩ ) 12:42, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

His Fortune Ladies weren't that good. He lacked a lot of staples and used quite a few not-so-great cards.


 * He's taken way too long on the Harpies, I say no to him being a deckbuilder. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  22:08, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I also say, we give him a link to Lappyzard's General Deck Building Guide. Forum:Deck Guide/General. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  22:09, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Agreed- Resk ( ✩ ) 11:46, August 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good, I think we are all agreed that he does not qualify. His Harpie build is bad. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  14:38, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

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User:SquirtleHero


 * Issues with his Vehicroid deck. He lacked staples: Dark Hole, Monster Reborn, Book of Moon, Solemn Judgment, and Torrential Tribute while focusing on Fusion Summoning (and using Armoroid). BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 02:05, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I don't like what he did with the KM deck at all. I have to post it just to go over it.

He doesn't run any KMs of the same type for revelation costs. He plays triple Boulder when cards like that are too slow for the format. He runs Morphing Jar when we're about to see the return of Dark World, and, he doesn't play any of the good Rock KMs (I told him no Rock Stun though). He runs Maximus and Rooklord, which are just... awful. He plays triple Skill Drain in a deck that thrives on monster effects. He plays triple Bribe, which I would never do, ever, except in Mill. He's missing the following staples: Dark Hole, Heavy Storm, Solemn Warning, and Torrential Tribute. There's no synergy to the deck, no way to generate card advantage, and it's the most horribly built excuse for a Control/Stun deck I've ever seen. Without a doubt I say no. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 02:47, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I've just looked at the other decks he did too. His Vehicroid deck looks terrible and lacks staples, as does the Timeater deck, which has no synergy. In fact, the only thing he's done in any of his decks that I liked was using Black Garden for Timeater. My answer is definitely no. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 02:52, September 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I kinda liked his timeater deck(though needs more shura targets), but the Koa'ki are terrible, & the roids are missing cards, though the concept was fine, so no & he can re-apply.... 3 months? 2 months? never?
 * - Resk ( ✩ )( ☯ ) 17:35, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I would say tell him never, but repeal the never if he starts posting quality decks on the deck help forum. Until we see that he can make something a. competitive, b. innovative, and/or c. correctly, I don't have much hope for his case. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 19:51, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

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User:SquirtleHero - 2nd Try

The steelswarm look a heck of a lot better than his last deck, as does the naturia, though something still feels wrong about the steelswarm... but need to play with it first, it looks like it just contains good cards, but doesn't look to be fluid...

- Resk ( ✩ )( ☯ ) 01:10, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well, she's seemed to fix her issues with staples thing. I question her choice of Sycnhros monsters, and the thing with 2 Tytannial, Princess of Camellias, but seeing as how Naturia's cover the field it shouldn't be a large deal. This is the Naturia build she gave me.

I would have made a Naturia Insect build, truthfully. For some reason, I've been thinking about making a Insect deck lately. Anyway I liked her build. But I'm waiting to see the forum posts she made on other sites, but overall I think she has gotten a lot better. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  01:12, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Btw, can you use Verz Bahamut with Steelswarm? That name stuff has gotten me confused. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  01:14, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * So tested the Naturia Deck out, 3/5 duels won. I really could have used some Xyz(s), way too many copies of cards in the extra deck, I don't want/need double Barkion, Black Rose, or both Trish. and Mist Wurm. A Steelswarm Roach or Utopia would have really helped. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  01:58, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Still, I'll admit, I did want to test out her deck, and the Rai-Oh were a great call on her part, really good. Although maybe both Camellia didn't help. My suggestion would be for her to add a few more traps, maybe a D-Prison/Comp. I say give her the advice to add Xyz(s), even if the deck is Synchro capable, as there is no need for double BRD, both Trish and Wurm, or Barkion, but overall I liked her deck, and let her in on a trial phase in DFF, but I'll wait on what you and BF2 have to say. -- - Dark Ace SP™  ( Talk )  02:04, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Way too slow. BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 02:07, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I will say there's a lot of improvement over the previous trial. The Steelswarm deck looks good, I have few complaints there, but I have issues with the Naturia Deck and the Gem-Knight deck. Gem-Knights has too many monsters to be consistent. I like the use of Summoner Monk, but dislike the use of Alexandrite, Gem-Turtle, and Thunder King (either play stun using GKF for discard costs or don't play TKRO). The use of DDR is interesting, but questionable. There aren't enough Traps to cover for the huge RFTDD play. There aren't enough traps to do anything, really. MST and Heavy will shut them down all day. I like the use of Gemini Spark but dislike the lack of Pot of Duality. Personally I'm not a fan of Obsidian at all, but 3 is definitely pushing it. 2 would be better.

My real problems are with the Naturia Deck. It lacks Spore and uses double Tytannial. Debris Dragon would have been a nice add, as would Effect Veiler. Anything Stun should be using triple Duality, especially before running Upstarts, which shouldn't be run in Stun at all. I really dislike the use of My Body as a Shield. It's generally a bad card. Again, nowhere near enough Traps, especially in a Deck claiming to be Stun. Double Tools is not needed this format, Stun traps like D Prison and Compulse should be played instead. The Extra Deck is very weak. Particularly notable is the use of double Barkion, double BRD, and of course, RDA. It also lacks necessary Xyz. Judging from her description of the deck, I'm guessing she doesn't know that Cliff misses timing when used for Synchro Summons.

There has been considerable improvement, which is commendable in such a short time, but there's still a ways to go. For now, albeit a bit reluctantly, I vote no. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 02:23, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I guess that's a point too. I mean the only true reason I won 3 out of 5 games was because of the Thunder King. Yeah, I really hated the extra deck, it was ok, but just way to hard to consistently Syncrho summon. And there isn't a spore in this..., Hmm I must have misread or mistyped a card. I put spore in the one I have on DN <,<.

I'll change my vote to a no, since Lappy did a way better job at pointing out everything I missed. I really am bad at evaluating decks, for some reason the decks I build usually work out ok, but I'm a complete failure when it comes to seeing all the details. But we really do need to tell her that she did way better, and point out all the little issues. She'll probably fix those up, and we really should make sure she knows where this wiki's deck help section is. I think we can label her as a person of future interest? -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  03:28, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * And for the my body as a shield, I really would have preferred a Starlight Road, instead.

List of issues:
 * 2 Tytannial, Princess of Camellias in Naturia
 * No Xyz(s) in Naturia
 * Too many monsters in a "stun" Naturia
 * No Debris Dragon to complete Plant engine (particularly since Extra contains 2 BRD) in Naturia
 * Odd Extra Deck choices/x2 of certain monsters in Naturia
 * Need to use 3 PoD in a "stun" Naturia deck
 * No D-Prison/Comp. Evac. Device in a "stun" Naturia deck
 * Not enough traps
 * Double Tools
 * Possibly lacked knowledge of Naturia Cliff rulings
 * Use of My Body in Naturia
 * Use of 3 Obsidian in Gem-Knight (this could be a personal choice though)
 * Too many monsters in Gem-Knight
 * No Duality in Gem-Knight

Keep adding what you feel is needed. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  03:32, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

My vote's a no, because I still haven't received my deck and it's been way too long. BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 12:46, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Boba, you didn't have a trial this time around... Not on her talk page anyway. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 20:06, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * This is her 2nd try. Also she, edited the deck she gave me, her it is, she slightly fixed some of the issues, but not by much. Sadly, this place isn't really a secret...if someone went to our contributions they would see where we have been editing.

-- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  22:03, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's better than having a blatant forum "ANYONE WHO APPLIED TO DFF THIS IS WHAT WE THINK OF YOU". Chances are, the people we would reject are inexperienced in the wikia as well as deckbuilding, and wouldn't know they could do that. Those who have been around long enough to know that feature tend to be good deckbuilders (example: YamiWheeler).

As for the deck, very few of the issues have been fixed, and some new ones have arisen. For example, a monster count of 24 in a deck claiming to be stun. Even 20 is very high for stun, and 15-17 is much more typical. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 22:10, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I did say "slightly", and yeah you're probably right about the contributions page, and yes his Laval build was brilliant, really nice. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  22:21, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

We're still talkikng about SquirtleHero? There. I'm not sure why she did something for Ace, I asked for Vehicroids. BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 22:26, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait, I got that one a while back. BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 22:27, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

It seems as if it's trying to do too many things, and as such can't do any of them,


 * Scout is at 3, and is basicly a treeborn,
 * Cell, Caller, Stygian is a different build which entirly conflicts with the Scout (as does tourguide, who only hits self and sangan) (And the deck can't hit BLS)
 * 6 big monsters is usually too many, but meh, not as important
 * no reason not to run 3x recurring nightmare
 * treeborn + mirror force.
 * treeborn + no OfO
 * Chain is nice,
 * 5 level 4 monsters, will summon at most. 1 Bahamut, or maybe a roach/utopia
 * No utopia, but 2 of everything else (see prior comment)
 * Everything else is staple, but the deck just doesn't flow
 * - Resk ( ✩ )( ☯ ) 02:03, October 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * So is overall vote is a no, and I'll tell her, if you all agree.

Final List of issues:
 * Naturia:
 * 2 Tytannial, Princess of Camellias, way too hard to summon, use just 1.
 * No Xyz(s).
 * Too many monsters for Stun.
 * No Debris Dragon to complete Plant engine (particularly since Extra contains 2 BRD).
 * Odd Extra Deck choices/x2 of certain monsters.
 * Need to use 3 PoD in a "stun" deck.
 * No D-Prison/Comp. Evac. Device in a "stun" deck.
 * Not enough traps, that are chainable, and double Seven Tools isn't necessary.
 * Still needs 2-3 MST, even if the deck is running Bamboo Shoot.
 * Naturia Cliff misses timing when used for a Synchro Summon.
 * Used My Body as a shield in Naturia, Starlight Road would have been better.
 * Not enough Traps for Stun
 * Gem-Knights:
 * Used 3 Obsidian (this could be a personal choice though)
 * Too many monsters
 * No Duality
 * Not enough Traps to protect the game-winning RftDD play
 * Use of 2 Alexandrite with only 2 targets
 * Steelswarm:
 * Cell, Caller, Stygian is a different build which entirely conflicts with the Scout (as does Tour Guide, who only hits self and Sangan) (And the deck can't hit BLS)
 * Too much going on, not enough focus
 * 5 level 4 monsters, will summon at most, 1 Bahamut, or maybe a roach/utopia, and no Utopia.
 * No reason not to run 3x Recurring Nightmare


 * Is the above ok? -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  02:15, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Note: I planned to post the final list on her talk, so edit it if you see anything unfit. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  02:22, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Edited. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 19:13, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

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User:Synchro Maniac10


 * So far his Ritual deck, isn't working well for me, the DAD and Chaos Sorc. kinda ruin it for me, just the BLS would've been fine, plus I seem to only draw into Effect Veiler, and nothing else. Plus Manju can go to 2, I feel as if 3 clog the deck. So far, no. Only reason is I've made a deck based on Gardolf before and it worked much better. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  13:29, October 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think Manju at three is pretty standard and it's insanely useful. BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 13:30, October 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll keep playing with it, maybe it'll get better. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  13:36, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * You do have to remember that drawing into Veiler is a problem with any deck running 3. Manju is necessary, seeing I only run 2 Ritual Spells. The deck has worked for me, but I can make another build if you don't like that one. I did have one other idea for it. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 13:41, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Damn it, he found us. SM10, pretend you don't know about this page. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 15:12, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Really funny, since I just posted something about this a while ago... xD. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  16:59, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * And yeah, I know a deck running 3x Veiler has that issue, that's why I like just 2 if I do want to run it. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  17:01, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Dark Sun? Anyways, I'll try a better build for you. Lappy, yours is really giving me issues. Could you be more specific. It's so hard to do Frogs without Monarchs, especially this format. So at least a hint or direction would be nice. I'll have BF2's up soon. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 17:13, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Somehow that became this place's name. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  19:09, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok. I don't see it either, Ace. xD Anyhow, it would be a great help if you could do that, Lappy. ^^ Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 02:59, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because the symbol you click to get here is a black sun. Duh. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 04:20, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * All I did to get here was click on it when someone edited it... :P I'll have your deck done tomorrow, Lappy. That is, unless something pops up that I can't do so. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 00:34, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I give him a 5. BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 00:57, October 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Does that mean you like it or not? Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 10:50, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think we're rating on a 1-5 scale, although I may be wrong. I don't know you're not a shoo-in, but you'd be a great Deckbuilder. BF2 Talk  Deck Guides


 * That's very nice of you to say that. Thank you! I know I still have to post 2 other decks for Ace and Lappyzard (which I'm about to take care of), so I'll see if they think I prove myself worthy. I'd love to be part of the gang and lend a helping hand. :D I'm surprised I'm the first one to find this page. xD Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 23:14, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Very unorthodox card choices. Missing several key components. Unable to adapt to the deck's playstyle during testing. Paled in comparison to my own, untested build. I vote no. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 22:13, October 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't say the Dark World Ritual was a bad idea, in fact it is pretty reliable as a back up plan, or even a main plan. Either way its creative, but I lost to Insectazar, although I had no idea the guy had a DAD. Anyway, I'll need more testing to decide, so far a 3.5 out of 5, may change with more testing. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  01:29, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also Lappy, what did you find odd? 3x Gravity Bind, or something else? -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  01:31, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just curious, what is Insectazar? About the Frogs, I forgot Salvage, and I don't know why. xD Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 01:34, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Totally, misspelled it, Inzecters, sorry. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  03:07, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

No, I use 3 Bind myself. I found the Magic Drains and Star Boys unhelpful. The deck was missing Dualities and Salvages. The lack of Torrential in a deck that can fully abuse Ronintoadin was disturbing. There were too many monsters. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 03:50, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's because he started it as a Cannon Soldier - Toadin OTK (with Magical Merchant). BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 12:57, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's one reason, and also due to my inexperience with Frogs. I've never seen or built a good pure Frog deck. Salvage slipped my mind, and most of those other issues came due to the lack of it, or the high monster count, also due to the lack of Salvage, leaving less room for other things. Some good changes would be: +3 Duality and Salvage, +1 Gravity Bind and TT, -3 Star Boy, -1 Dewdark, Flip Flop, and Unifrog, and -2 Magic Drain (even though that stopped my ritual spell when I played Lappy, who was testing it). So, I goofed up a little on that, and I just hope it's a forgivable mistake. As for the Ritual deck, that's about as competitive as I could make it, DASP, and was what I thought to be the best approach. Has it been working better with more testing? It tends to work better against more offensive decks, since most monsters get wiped out by Garlandolf anyways. :P Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 13:33, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, my final thoughts on his DW Chaos Ritual? Its good, still a 3.5/5, but it works well. I like it. Consistant enough from the DW draw support and well not a bad idea, I've been able to bring out Garl. enough maybe 1 every 2 games. I'm content. I'll let Lappy and BF2, give their thoughts on the matter, but they kinda have already. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  21:06, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

So, do we all say yes to SM10, or were the issues with the frogs too much? (Note: I've also never built frogs in my life, only Frog Monarchs for personal use on DN last format) -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  21:08, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Did anyone else notice that all the Deckbuilder requests have gotten longer(From 1st one to current)? -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  21:13, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Btw, the Dark World Ritual isn't bad against Defensive either, I beat someone with just 2 card left in my deck, BLS and Djinn. xD -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  21:17, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

I liked the Dark World Ritual deck a lot, and the Macro Monarch was pretty good, most of what I don't like is personal preference, but the Frogs... Well, working on a team means that if there's a deck that you just can't get to work, you have friends to help you out. I'll change my vote to a yes. Unless Boba suddenly objects, which I doubt he will, welcome aboard. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 00:53, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks you guys! I'll try my best as a Deckbuilder, as it is a huge honor. That is unless BF2 has any objection. :3 I think I have an idea for the Akz, the Pumer deck. I was gonna take the Majestic Dragons deck, but Lappy beat me to it. xD Once again, just give the final confirmation BF2. Synchro Maniac10 (talk • contribs) 01:09, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I have an objection to Secret Rares being so expensive. Sure, you're in. BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 12:51, October 31, 2011 (UTC)