Talk:Seven Barian Emperors

It doesn't make sense that Durbe is the only of the four shown Barian to be one of the Barian lords, and btw. NeoArk basically guarantees that they all belong to the Lords.


 * Its still speculation. It trust NeoArkadia, but he doesn't have a source for this issue besides his own speculation. We do not know that the other three are part of the group. They could simply be people that Durbe is manipulating. I'm not saying its particularly likely (I actually hope they are part of the group) but there is no evidence that says they are in the group. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:16, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

K, well i guess we`ll wait for confirmation on that

why is the picture of the Chaos Xyz monsters here instead of the barian lord(s)' picture? 188.255.164.186 (talk) 08:42, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

I am asking the same question! (FruityMan99 (talk • contribs) 17:32, November 18, 2012 (UTC))

Shouldn't we change the image? It's obviously showing the Chaos Xyz monsters not Durbe I supose. --FruityMan99 (talk • contribs) 16:50, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed. The old image was also being used at the "Chaos Xyz" article. When a new version of the file was uploaded, it affected both articles. I've reuploaded the old image under a new filename and added it here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:06, November 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think a newer version of image regarding the Seven Lords has to be utilized as soon as its available, since the image in use presently is actually wrong considering that only Durbe of the Seven Lords is present there, the others 3 are Gilag, Misael, Alit.--Supratim1986 (talk • contribs) 12:58, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Names of seven Barian Lords
I have found of name of seven Barian Lords but i can't translate it.


 * ドゥーベ（α Ursae Majoris、α UMa）天枢・天魁（貪狼）
 * メラク（β Ursae Majoris、β UMa）天璇（巨門）
 * フェクダ（γ Ursae Majoris、γ UMa）天璣（禄存）
 * メグレズ（δ Ursae Majoris、δ UMa）天権（文曲）
 * アリオト（ε Ursae Majoris、ε UMa）玉衝（廉貞）
 * ミザール（ζ Ursae Majoris、ζ UMa）開陽（武曲）
 * ベネトナシュ（η Ursae Majoris、η UMa）揺光（破軍） 別名アルカイド

---highly respect, Stark 00:51, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Used by Google Translation, which can be wrong

-- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:57, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Those look like the names of the stars that the names of the Barian Lords are based on. Where did you get that info, Avatar? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:18, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The list of Avatarr is the name of the Big Deeper in Japanese. The named of character from Barian World so far are based on stars name in kana, but this is just a fan fiction at the moment and as far as I know there isn't any official sources that confirmed this.
 * According to the list:
 * Durbe is named after α Ursae Majoris
 * Gilag is named after β Ursae Majoris
 * Vector is named after γ Ursae Majoris
 * δ Ursae Majoris (unknown)
 * Alit is named after ε Ursae Majoris
 * Misael is named after ζ Ursae Majoris
 * η Ursae Majoris (unknown)
 * Blackwings0605 (talk) 04:46, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Although I don't watch the show, I have kept track of the ZEXAL articles and episode summaries for many weeks, and from the latest name reveals, I actually believe Gilag is named after Megrez and Merag is named after Merak. See these:
 * Merag (メラグ) and Merak (メラク) are near-exact matches
 * Gilag (ギラグ), although somewhat close to Merak (メラク), isn't that far off from Megrez (メグレズ)--perhaps Gilag/Megrez could be corrupted to Megilags?
 * Merag (メラグ) isn't that close to Megrez (メグレズ), either (the corruption would be to Meragurez, which is a little long)

I believe these arguments are sound enough to make the swap, but I am interested in whether anyone else thinks that Merag's current name assignment isn't appropriate. Nemosyne (talk • contribs) 22:44, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Name
Was the name Seven Barian Lords actually said during an episode, or is it fan-made? Mad Rest 21:13, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I remember it being mentioned in episode 82's preview summary when the article was created, but beyond that I've heard no mention of it. Neos01 (talk • contribs) 21:15, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you mean during the preview, 'cause they don't say anything about them? Is it one of those things written on the screen? And this page was created on the 30th October, and episode 81 came out near the end of November. Mad Rest 21:24, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing its from a website where they give information about future episodes. You are right that during the preview it isn't mentioned, and from what I see, its not written on screen either. I don't know for sure where the info comes from, but I do remember when the article for episode 82 was created, Seven Barian Lords was mentioned in the summary. You should probably ask the person who made the article where the info came from. Neos01 (talk • contribs) 21:48, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * The preview for episode 82 specifically said "Durbe, one of the Seven Barian Lords". That was the preview that NeoArkadia gave us, which he translated from info on 2chan, which is where most of the previews come from. To my knowledge, the term has never been mentioned in the episodes themselves though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:32, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * To reminding me - it resembled the team in first season of Generation NeXt show - "Seven Shadow something". -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:35, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, can somebody add the kanji? Because NeoArkadia usually translates God as Lord, so I doubt the accuracy of the name. Mad Rest 13:49, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

The term was mentioned in the anime preview --Veriteo (talk • contribs) 14:02, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * He usually translates "God" as "Lord" for card names, since he does translations for a TCG userbase and "God" is never maintained in card names. Furthermore, unless the romaji reads Goddo, "Lord" is not an inaccurate translation. Anyway, I'll see if I find the kanji somewhere. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:37, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just come across the conversation and see if I can help. This is the preview of episode 82 from NAS. It does mentioned Seven Barian Lords or something with this "七皇". BAM Master (talk • contribs) 06:02, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * According to DracoX, this is the whole preview: バリアン世界の七皇に新たな動きが出ていた
 * Based on my translations, it's, "Seven Emperors of the Barian World", but I'm not completely certain. Mad Rest 14:09, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

This fragment from episode 82 also mentions them: 目的の成果を出せないギラグとアリトに業を煮やしたバリアン七皇. DracoX (talk • contribs) 15:19, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * This one lacks the "world" part; anywise, Emperor is a more accurate translation than Lord. Mad Rest 22:46, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, if no one's going to object, I'm renaming it to Seven Emperors of the Barian World. Mad Rest 01:13, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, keep it as it is. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:17, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not asking about opinions; if someone wants to object, that means they should offer a different translation of the kanji. Based on me (and the Japanese language), the kanji used is obviously for 'emperor', so, no, 'lords' is out of the question. If you want to offer an opinion, the only thing to do is how to structure the name, but keeping the current name is infeasible. Mad Rest 01:21, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Then change it to "Seven Barian Emperors", not that whatever you said, "Seven Emperors of the Barian World", too long. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:57, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Lords ?
Durbe, Alit, Misael and Gilag and Vector Are they  Seven Barian Lords ? :10:28, January 9, 2013

I think the most powerful Barian is Vector. --80.239.242.142 (talk) 20:22, January 9, 2013 (UTC) only Durbe has been confirmed. Misael and the others appear to merely be his subordinates.--RexGodwin (talk • contribs) 04:28, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

This is a talk page right?Hope you don't mind me asking.
This wiki is really cool and well organized,so I suppose this shows the members's diligence and love for this...But something is bothering me.It is this "seven barian emperors"(cool name,by the way).Where was it confirmed that Durbe is one and that the rest of his group(Durbe,Alit,Misael,Gilag,Vector,etc) isn't? No link to Zexal II ep,no proof.The image of this topic only shows 4(so how does this not confirm Gilag,Misael and Alit has barian lords?).How can we know if it is seven?All of them have the same style of clothes(only the colors are different),all of them have an over hundred numbers(considering that Gilag,Misael and Alit have one,Durbe and Vector must have one as well).I know you are all being cautious-I would be too,considering how many questions this anime has not answered yet-but this is a little bit to much.I tried to correct this mistake(to turn it a little more edible,considering I never saw them referring to themselves as "seven barian lords-emperors",nor proof of it,unlike the "three emperors of Ylliaster"),but someone from this wiki erased it.Perhaps they are seven,considering that the members's names make reference to a constellation of seven parts...still,a link would be appreciated.Well,I hope that this little mistake is corrected.Well,I wish you all good luck with this wiki,and a good work and year.186.205.212.116 (talk) 17:01, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your compliments. The thing about this topic is that it was only ever mentioned in the preview for episode 83. The actual episodes have not used the term. The preview is still are our only source, so that's why nothing else can be added. There is no source, at all. I would almost argue we should just delete the page until the term is actually used. I'm not sure. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:56, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Members
It's perfectly logical for the 7 Barians Lords be the 7 holders of the over-hundred Numbers (101~107). Yes, they said in a preview that "Durbe is one of the 7 Barian Lords", but they wouldn't say that if that element wouldn't be either revealed in that episode or previously. We are already several episodes ahead an nothing regarding "the Barian Lords", I'd say it's 90% of certainty that Durbe, Vector, Alit, Gilag and Misael are Barian Lords, with the 2 other being probably the guys who'll appear in the next few episodes. Also, shouldn't this page be merged with Barian? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:05, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, they are definitely the Emperors, since they all share their names with the 7 stars in the Big Dipper. No, they shouldn't be merged. They are a separate organization in the Barian World; they're probably not the only Barians. Mad Rest 21:07, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean they are the only Barians. I meant they are just Barians with superior class. But back to the main topic... It seems obvious who the Emperors are then, can we edit the article adding the other Barian Emperors and their etymology? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:09, March 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * After what Vector said in ep 99, it's safe to say that Durbe, Vector, Alit, Gilag, Misael (Merag & Nasch) are the Seven Varian Lords --5.65.194.117 (talk) 15:48, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

some correcting,please
Good sirs,this page has incorrect information.First,the Durbe thing.Where is Vector,Misael,Gilag and Alit...second,the "Barian's guardian" bullshit.Could someone correct it?There is a possibiltiy that this "barian's guardian" was a big fat lie of Vector.186.205.212.116 (talk) 23:11, March 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * That can be changed on the page though, the article should remain just in case they actually exist, but Vector either used their name to masquerade himself, and/or the guardians serve another purpose, or something of the like. What I'd like to know is in which part of episode 96 did Vector got named as one of the Emperors? --BGMaxie (talk • contribs) 15:39, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah...this is starting to get rather silly.oh well,not my problem.Honestly,it does not make sense.if those "evil barians" are the rulers/protectors of the Varian World,then why would the "Varian's guardians" oppose them?That would only make sense if Varian was on a civil war or something,which the anime did not hint.It was thanks to this page that I did not believe in Vector's lie. ;) 186.205.202.70 (talk) 01:58, April 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Barian's Guardian article should stay, but not in case they are real. It should just stay to document the term, real or not. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:49, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Past Lives
With episode 103, its officially confirmed the "Legends" in the Temples were actually about each Barian in some sort of past life they had as a human. There were some heavy hints that Durbe was the Knight in the Sky Pegasus Episode, and Vector was the King who committed suicide, but with 103 the Gladiator is shown to look exactly like Alit, so its safe to say this is canon now that they are them.--RexGodwin (talk • contribs) 21:43, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

The Table about Past Lives
Can someone recreat the table to make it look "clean"? I mean the same format of table like in the Number's page as its better to look compared to the current table right now. SharkTenjo 14:53, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Over-Hundred Number
Lewts include these as associated Nubmers Numbers card like the Legendary Nubmer Number if possivle possible please.--im gay (talk • contribs) 14:48, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:52, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

7 of of over 100 numbers relate to the barian emperors
7 of of over 100 numbers relate to the barian emperors i would like to point out the seven barian emperors are related to seven of the over 100 numbers look as i point out of these seven numbers 101 - Nasch or Merag 102 - durbe 103 - Nasch or Merag 104 - vector 105 - alit 106 - gileg 107 - Misael Get it Seven emperors,seven of the over 100 numbers relate to their numbers 107 (7 means Misael is the 7th emperor) Nasch is possible the 1st emperor durbe is the 2nd emperor Merag is also possible the 3rd emperor as number 73 contains (3) Relating to The Over 103 number Vecotr is The 4th emperor Alit is the 5th emperor gileg is the 6th emperor miseal is the 7th emperor Dont you get it this is important thing i discover relating to the over 100 numbers (107Number (talk • contribs) 17:03, June 7, 2013 (UTC))


 * I am inclined to agree but it is entirely speculation, so I wouldn't add anything about that to the article, the over hundred numbers don't seem as plot important so i think leave them any additional information about them in this article is redundant. So yeah I hope I've followed your train of thought properly :) Sardeth42 (talk • contribs) 01:16, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Rio Kastle
She is a female, she cannot be a emperor of this group. Merag is not her. Beside, Merag does not sounds like a name for girls. Merag is the final to be discovered. These beings are emperors (male only), not lords (either male or female).--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 19:51, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Then explain why the undersea ruins has Two Numbers? And Durbe knows that those same ruins has the legends of both Nasch AND Merag. Heck even the other Legendary Number shown in the preview of the next episode looks like a female, just saying. Tom13 (talk • contribs) 19:26, June 16, 2013 (UTC) Tom13


 * I do not know that yet. I just do not get it Rio is Barian emperor or lord, whatever. But I think 'No.73' resembles Reginald very much and 'No.9?' resembles Rio, because 9? looks female in my opinion. Rio is a girl and people say she one of the Barian Emperors or lords. This does not makes sense.

--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 19:51, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

"Merag does not sounds like a name for girls" is BS logic because 1)it actually sounds unisex 2)its an alien name 3) if you've taken any langauge class you'd know that in almost any langauge when a group or class is mixed gender they are almost alwys reffered by male classifications (especially if the number of males ountnumbers females) 70.191.246.23 (talk) 19:43, June 16, 2013 (UTC) and Lord isnt "either male or female",they are male only,the Female equivalten is Lady.70.191.246.23 (talk) 19:39, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

In a group involving males and females, the male term takes the precedent. So Rio could be one of the Emperors. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:44, June 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * You might be right, because the ruins have two "Numbers" which is owned by Abyss and one by Reginald (He may have found her). Because they are siblings, the ruins have legends together, right? This is the reason I can come up with.

--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 19:59, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Where do you see this Number 90 something? I never saw it in the preview. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:00, June 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * It is Number 9?, it is the left monster, though the number (on left hip) has been blocked by the text. E n e r g y X  ∞ 20:03, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you give me an approx on the video timer where it is visible? or link me to a photo of it? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:06, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

on the zero-raws it 23:12-23:13 when black ray lancer starts to glow and change. you can only see the 9(but its 9? because of dyson sphere)70.191.246.23 (talk) 20:12, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's obvious that it would not be Dyson Sphere because Dyson Sphere is 09, but just 9. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:22, June 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * i know thats why i said it, i was pointing out why it was 9?70.191.246.23 (talk) 20:24, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Here. E n e r g y X ∞ 20:08, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:09, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Table
Why doesn't this table on page show the Over-Hundred Numbers? Coutinho305 (talk • contribs) 16:33, June 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * To my understanding it is because of two things; to prevent 'clogging' and because the over-hundred numbers thus far don't appear to be as plot relevant as the legendary numbers, if this is to change or if it is otherwise decided to incorporate them, then I believe it shall be done. A bit of shaky reason, but that is my understanding :) Sardeth42 (talk • contribs) 04:09, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Leadership
isn't vector considered the leader now or shares leadership with durbe which would make sense since they were originally led by 2 barians? ever since he made his return in zexal 2 all the other emperors, including durbe, have been following his orders.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 10:16, July 30, 2013 (UTC)