Talk:Warrior (archetype)

Necessary?
Is an entire page necessary for these monsters. I don't think they would be considered an archetype, more like cards used by Yusei, but certainly not an archetype.--Mr.Archfreak 01:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that they aren't really an Archetype (yet), but maybe down the line there will be support for them as a group. --Bluedog (Talk) 01:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Support cards that refer specifically to them isn't always required for a set of monsters to be considered an Archetype. They all have ウォリアー in their names and display other similarities. That makes them just like the Monarchs. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

More Warriors
When i looked at the template 4 Warriors, i noticed most of them r just random cards with "Warrior" in their name. From what ive been told 4 a card to be a Warrior, it needs a Synchron, and cards like Speed Warrior and Max Warrior don't have synchrons, since they are not Synchro Monsters. Some 1 should change the pages. I'd do it, but where i am its past 1 am. I'll be back in 1 week
 * They are all in this section because they all contain a particular Japanese phraseology or spelling that translates here to Warrior, but isn't the same as the way that Warrior (as in Warrior-type monster) is written on the Japanese cards. Just like how in the OCG Fiend-types are Demon types, but Archfiends are Demons, simply with different spelling and the like. So that means they are all Warrior monsters in a specific archetype, since then you'd have to argue as to why Red Dragon Archfiend, Thought Ruler Archfiend, Archfiend Marmot of Nefariousness, Axe of Despair, etc, etc, should be removed from the Archfiend template. Vagrant Lustoid 10:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

But then why "Fortress Warrior" is a "Warrior" and "Rocket Warrior" isn't? Because Yusei doesn't use it? When will people understand that not every character in the show uses a series?


 * Because the "Warrior" in Fortress Warrior is written a different way than the "Warrior" in Rocket Warrior, in the original Japanese. It's simply a translation thing and the fact that Japan has at the very least 3 different "alphabets" whilst English only has the one. Vagrant Lustoid 06:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Rockstone Warrior?
Shouldn't Rockstone Warrior be counted as a member? He has the required "ウォリアー" in his Japanese name. (I'm asking since I don't know how to edit that) Burnpsy 22:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Rockstone Warrior is a rock type, since Warriors Monsters are Warrior type. then, Rockstone Warrior is still not included.--33royward 22:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't he be put under "Related" or something then? Makes more sense than Panther Warrior or Rocket Warrior. Burnpsy 22:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it might count as a member of the archetype. Assuming its not a member of the archetype it's certainly not "archrelated".
 * Cards that are deemed archrelated have to actually be connected to the archetype. E.g. support an individual member, like "Limiter Overload" and the "Synchrons". The reason archrelated is not considerd archsupport is because the cards don't support the archetype as a whole, only particular members. For example "Limiter Overload" supports "Speed Warrior", who is a "Warrior" monster. It doesn't mention the "Warrior" archetype itslef. Saying it supports "Warrior" monsters because "Speed Warrior" is a "Warrior", would be like saying it supports EARTH monsters, because "Speed Warrior" is EARTH.
 * So yes, it makes no sense to say "Panther Warrior" and "Rocket Warrior" are "archrelated". (People seem to think archrelated is for questionable inclusions.)
 * Back to "Rockstone Warrior"... I'm not sure being a Warrior-Type is necessary. Its name is wrote in kana. The second part is "ウォリアー" and is seperated from the first with a "・". (Plus Yusei uses it.) That can't be just a coincidence. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Why are we adding Warriors not used by Yusei?
Panther Warrior, Zombie Warrior, Rocket Warrior & Karbonala Warrior? I mean, was this Article to show the Warriors used by Yusei?~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 03:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've looked, and Panther Warrior and Zombie Warrior has the required ウォリアー in its japanese name, so, that means, they are part of the archetype.--33royward 03:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

No, not warriors used by Yusei but warriors that has ウォリアー in its japanese name.--33royward 03:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but wasn't this Article created to SHOW the ones used by Yusei, cause JUST because they have that in their name makes them a part of the Warrior Archetype and not the Archetype/sub-type or whatever it would be called used by Yusei


 * Check again, Royward: Zombie Warrior doesn't. Panther Warrior, yes, but put it in the related category. Runer5h 03:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

I did check and Zombie Warrior has ウォリアー in its name.--33royward 03:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, since you changed the card's Japanese name, it seems to; however, look at the picture, and you'll notice a pesky little hyphen-looking thing right in the middle of what would otherwise be ウォリアー. Not a Warrior. Please stop reverting it. Runer5h 03:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * I really did thought that THIS Article was Created to be about the Warriors USED by Yusei~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 03:49, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Me too, for that matter. I vote that the ones not used by Yusei but that still have ウォリアー go in the "Related" category. Runer5h 03:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

MOST of these cards are used by Yusei, it did not say that the monsters in this page were used by Yusei, only mostly, it say so on the page that this refers to the archetype, it did not say that this refers that cards used by Yusei, so, Panther Warrior is still part of the archetype.--33royward 03:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Then put into the "Related" Section~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 03:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

what monsters are you refering to--33royward 03:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)?


 * the ones referred to by R5H "I vote that the ones not used by Yusei but that still have ウォリアー go in the "Related" category"~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 03:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * See the above section; "related" is not for questionable members. You're either a member of the archetype or you're not. "Panther Warrior" doesn't count. Its naming deosn't match the pattern that every other member uses. The others all follow this pattern " ・ウォリアー".   is always an English word written in kana. "Panther Warrior" doesn't have the "・" and the first part of its name is not written in kana. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:16, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, so i can remove the "Warriors" that don't have the dot as part of their names?~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 14:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, done and i made changes to the Article to show that the warriors in the article are the ones with "・ウォリアー" and not just "ウォリアー"~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 21:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Is Blizzard Warrior and Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior included in this archetype? I mean, sure, these cards re not used by Yusei but it the both of them still has "・ウォリアー" in they're japanese name, so, are they included?--33royward 07:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You need to find consensus for something like this before doing it yourself. Danny Lilithborne 09:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Why are people so intent on finding "odd" cards to include in this archetype? It's a series connected by reputation. Common sense is what dictates if a card is in the series. People aren't pouncing at every "サイバー" (Cyber) monster to count it as one of Alexis' Cyber Girls or "Machine Emperor Wisel Infinity" to count it as a "Monarch" (皇). There are things like "roid" and "Guardian" monsters, where a few unusual examples are included for having similar names, because they have an in-game relationship, since cards reference the archetype by a bit of text in the card's name.
 * "Garoth" does not look like part of the series or have an in-game relationship and its is not " ・ウォリアー". It's " ・ウォリアー  ". It was released before they'd come up with the series, so its name being similar is really just a coincidence.
 * I'll admit "Blizzad Warrior" does look like it could be part of the series, its name matches the pattern and since it was released after they'd already started this series, they could have avoided making its naming match the series. It wasn't used by Yusei, but neither was "Tune Warrior" (although he uses it in video games and I think he's been shown holding it in magazines). So "Blizzard Warrior" looks questionable, but I would say don't include it without further evidence. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Um...

 * The intent of this page is starting to become unclear... Danny Lilithborne 08:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The first intent of this page is to display the Warrior monsters used by Yusei Fudo. But I think only Warrior-Synchro card used by him should be putted here, because only them have similarities so far, while the other is not. --Blackwings0605 08:22, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Junk Warrior's Colour
It looks like there's been an argument on the edit history about Junk Warrior's colour.

While I did not get involved, it looks very clearly purple to me. I don't get how one can even argue for blue. That said, let's try to come for an agreement. Burnpsy 01:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it looks like a shade of blue to me~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 02:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with Burnpsy the color is purple! User:WarriorsFanX 17:15, September 6, 2009 (UTC) i must agree with altyrell on this one that is clearly blue on the purple side of the spectrum Sammykill98 18:00, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Warriors not used by Yusei
Hey, should we include the Warriors monsters that has 「・ウォリアー」 in their japanese name but not used by yusei in the "archrelated"? Blizzard Warrior, Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior and Alien Warrior has the required 「・ウォリアー」 in their japanese name, isn't this page an ARCHETYPE, not cards used by a character? Jaden uses Elemental Heroes but he did not get to use them all, but still their included in the archetype, its a little unfair for these 3 monsters not included in this archetype just because their not used by a character, Tune Warrior is not used by Yusei in the anime, but still it was included, if these 3 monsters cannot be included by an archetype, aren't we supposed to include them in the archrelated because they still have the 「・ウォリアー」 in their name?--33royward 12:51, September 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Didn't we have this discussion above already?
 * These guys are a series connected by reputation. They have no in-game relationship. There aren't any cards, whose effect only work on things with "ウォリアー" in their name. "Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior" and "Alien Warrior" were made long before this series. Its just a coincidence that they have "ウォリアー" in their name.
 * Look at these examples.
 * "Cycroid" is a "roid" in-game, because there are cards that affect cards with "roid" in their name.
 * "Cycroid" is a "Vehicroid" by reputation, because its one of those cartoony vehicles.
 * "Cycroid" is not a "Vehicroid" in-game, because there are cards that support monsters with "Vehicroid" in their name and "Cycroid" does not have "Vehicroid" in its name.
 * "Elemental Hero Necroid Shaman" is a roid in-game because it has "roid" in its name and there are cards that support monsters with "roid" in their name.
 * "Elemental Hero Necroid Shaman" is not a "Vehicroid" by reputation because its nothing like the Vehicroids, even though all of them have "roid" in their name and so does he.
 * "Level Warrior" has "ウォリアー" in its name, but there are no cards that affect monsters with "ウォリアー" in their name, so it has no in-game relationship with the other "Warrior" monsters.
 * "Level Warrior" is a "ウォリアー" part of that series of monsters Yusei uses, so its part of the series by reputation.
 * "Alien Warrior" and "Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior" were made long before this series and with no intention of bing like these monsters, so its just a coincidence that they have that bit in their name. I think pictures of Yusei holding "Tune Warrior" have appeared in V Jump and he uses it in Stardust Accelerator. Plus it looks like its part of this series. I'm not sure about "Blizzard Warrior". It was released after they started making these guys, so had the chance to avoid including "ウォリアー" in its name. And it does look kinda like it could be part of the series. I'm not sure about "Blizzard Warrior", but "Garoth" and "Alien Warrior" are not part of the series. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:22, September 10, 2009 (UTC)