User talk:Cheesedude

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Manga cards
Should I start creating the article for manga cards using this template? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:34, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * If you'd like, sure. Deltaneos has gotten through most of the original stuff, I think, and I'm working on GX for now.
 * As you've seen, we've been doing separate articles for every card that appears in the manga, even when it has the same effect as the real world one. Template:CardTable2 will hopefully be retired eventually (you've seen the SMW issues) and part of doing that is splitting off anime, manga and video game articles.
 * In cases where a card's effect changes in the manga, we've made two articles - such as Foolish Burial (manga) and Foolish Burial (GX manga). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:19, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I see. I'll start using it then to save you guys' time. How about links? Like, in the chapters' articles and in the characters' decklists. Should we also replace everything? For example, "Foolish Burial (manga)|Foolish Burial" instead of just "Foolish Burial"? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:38, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Eventually. I believe the plan is to get all them manga articles done, then do a bot run and/or update them all at once. So I wouldn't bother with the links yet.
 * If you could start with 5D's, that would be great. When I finish GX, I'll likely move to ZEXAL. Not sure what Delt himself is doing either. And yeah, if you could start new articles for future manga chapters using the template, it would be great. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:42, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * From what I've seen, Delt's going for DM, it seems. And God saves the bot. xD Sure, I'll start with 5D's then, kinda slowly though (and even a bit slower since it'll take me a while to get used to that template xD). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:45, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm not sure if he's finished or not. It will take a while to get used to it, yes. Once I got through five or so chapters worth of cards, I had enough of a grasp to go faster. I still randomly forget parameters, though. XD. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:47, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * BTW, last question. When we split articles (like Junk Blader), do we remove the manga lore and manga ppearances from the OCG/TCG article? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:54, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Leave them for now. I'm not actually sure we've decided yet. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:55, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Remember the "last question" thing? I lied. Junk Blader has an English card image as well. How do I add it? en_image doesn't seem to work. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:59, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * If there's an English image, use "image" and put the Japanese image at "image_ja". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:02, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I mean "ja_image". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:04, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, one more. xD Arms Regeneration has different names in R and 5D's. What to do. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:05, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Um. I dunno. I'll add that to my list of issues to ask Delt. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:09, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I swear, each card I try to convert to manga template gives me a new issue. xD So, Pride of the Warrior has card names in 3 other languages as well, but they don't seem to appear in the manga template. Should I just remove them? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:12, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Use Unofficial names (not Unofficial name) and add it after Manga card Example (hit edit) at Turboroid. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:14, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you have to ask Delt about cards-with-different-names-in-manga-and-TCG? :p LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:24, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Nah. If there is an English manga name, use it, even if it sucks. So, "Jeweled whatever the hell they used for RDA (manga)". Add "main = Hot Red Dragon Archfiend" to the manga article to make the gallery and other links still work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:28, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:28, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yessir. BTW, I'm loving the "viz_lore" thing. I can finally add proper English lores without having to stick to Viz's blatant errors. *hallelujah plays in the background* LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:32, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's one of my favorite parts, too. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:34, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, and try to use put a space between "|" and the parameter name if you remember (think Dino's gonna bot the ones we miss though). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:36, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Guess you didn't notice, but if there's a real card article, you don't have to add the Japanese name stuff to the manga article unless its different like Heartlandraco or Ultimaya whatever it was. The template pulls it from the main article automatically. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:43, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. BTW, adding the "main" template in Quick Spanite (manga) doesn't seem to work for gallery and stuff, it keeps both "main card articles". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:53, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Think I got it. It has to be the exact article name or it doesn't work. Also, "romaji_name" and "trans_name", now. I kept getting those wrong at first too. Like I said, it takes some getting used to. I asked nearly all the questions you've asked me to Delt, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:01, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, I tried "" instead of "|main", that's why it didn't work. xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:10, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * If either of you want to upload images of just the card's artwork and add it through, it will be useful for creating lists of the cards. e.g. Maximillion J. Pegasus (manga). -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:04, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but are lists like that really needed? I think the usual decklist, listing the cards by name, is great already, and it looks more organized. Just a thought though, if we'll keep those lists I'll try to add some artwork pics when I have time. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:28, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I plan to go through my scans and upload artworks...eventually. I do like the new decklist, though. Its neat to be able to see all the artworks there. I wasn't fond of it at first myself, but I think it actually looks more organized this way. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:37, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

So, did you reach any conclusions about what to do with Arms Regeneration, who has different names in R and 5D's? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:31, December 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, another issue. Rose Blizzard and Rose Blizzard (manga) are different cards, but the manga article treats the anime article as the main article. No idea what to do in that case. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:21, December 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Also, Checkered Flag of Glory. No idea how to add the "non-game card" category, nor the "entry for the D1GP" description. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:35, December 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * No idea on either. Sort of fixed the "Rose Blizzard" thing, but the now the article backlinks to itself. We could move "Rose Blizzard" to "Rose Blizzard (anime)" (and we eventually will when the anime template is complete), that would fix it. Don't know if we want to do that prematurely, though. I'll ask Delt. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:14, December 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * The correct fix for "Rose Blizzard (manga)" and similar cases is to set ; this prevents the "Main: foobar" line from being shown above the card table and ensures the other card information links below the table link to the correct pages.
 * I don't think it'll be necessary to rename the anime article; it looks like the primary topic here and what people will most likely be looking for when they look for a card named "Rose Blizzard". 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:16, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Angels
About Rose Bell of Revelation. First, the Japanese lore does read only part of the monsters' names, but it isn't worded as if they were archetypes; the card makes it clear you can add either "the gallant angel" (Queen Angel of Roses) or "the demon angel" (Fallen Angel of Roses), either of those monsters, to your hand. Manga is manga, they call cards by nicknames, that doesn't mean it's an archetype. I think the articles Queen Angel and Fallen Angel can be deleted. Second, for Rose Bell's non-Viz lore, should I use the Japanese or English names? (like, "Gallant Angel" or "Queen Angel"?) LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:15, December 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Deleted, sorry, forgot to respond after. Uh, for the lore, I'd go with "Queen", since the card has a TCG release. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:11, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Manga again
Machina Soldier, Machina Defender and Machina Sniper are called like that in 5D's, but are called "Machine" instead in R. Separate articles or not? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:36, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Separate, but not because of the names. IIRC, they were vanillas in R and Effect Monsters in 5D's. I would suggest using the "Machine" names for the R versions and having the 5D's versions with 5D's manga in parenthesis. The actual "Machina X (manga)" pages can be disambiguation, linking to both. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:34, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, they are vanillas in both. In 5D's, their only use was to be discarded to summon Machina Cannon, and there was no lore in the cards. Do I still create separate articles? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:42, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, damn. Just do single articles, use "Machina" since its the more recent name. I'll poke Delt about an alt name parameter. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:54, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * In that case, should I also make Arms Regeneration keep the 5D's name, and add the R name later when the alt name parameter is ready? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:55, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that should work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:57, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * By the way, I created the articles for the Machinas with the R pics because the 5D's pics didn't show the full card, is that ok? Or should I have used the 5D's ones anyway, since they are the latest ones (and have the correct names)? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:18, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think what you did is fine. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:22, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * "alt_names" has been added. Also, "ja_alt_names", but I don't know if we'll need to use that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:40, December 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, great. About the "ja_alt_names" thing, just form the top of my mind I have two examples already, Queen Angel of Roses and Ultimaya Tzolk'in, so yes, we'll need to use that. xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:41, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

How do you add the "archrelated" thing in the manga template? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:52, December 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * "related_to_archseries". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:54, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

D Team
How are we gonna handle D Team ZEXAL with the manga template thing, since that manga uses OCG cards instead of manga cards? We won't put them in manga templates, right? There's, for example Call of the Haunted (5D's manga), which was used in the 5D's manga and also in D Team. Should we list the D Team appearance in the manga template too or not? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:02, December 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * No, don't list D Team appearances in the manga card pages. I'm unsure what the plan is for them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:28, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

Manga
Should we create manga articles for already existing monsters that just make a cameo in the manga, like Alien Overlord and Montage Dragon? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:12, December 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:35, December 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * They didn't show any lore, effects or anything in the manga though. Should I add the TCG/OCG lore, or just leave the lore blank? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:32, December 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Another thing, could you please delete Ultimate God (archetype)? After getting the actual lores of the cards, it's the nickname case, not archetype. :p LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:32, December 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * I would leave the effects out. I think the stats would be acceptable (or at least that's what I did at Cyber End Dragon (manga)).
 * Deleted. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:49, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Apparently the manga template doesn't allow more than 2 Types, like in Synchro Tuner monsters (check Celestial Double Star Shaman). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:37, December 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll ask Delt. I'm looking at the template and it looks like its coded to allow up to 3, so I'm not sure what's going on. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:48, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

Appearances
So, in the last ZEXAL chapter, Number 37: Hope Woven Dragon Spider Shark and Shifting Land both have their effects activated, but the card was not shown, it was just verbally explained. Does that count as an appearance? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:41, December 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * If the effects themselves were visualized, I'd say yes. If it was just an explanation with no accompanying visuals, I'd say no. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:21, December 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * In Spider Shark's case, he just brought Yuma's and Kaito's monsters back to the field. In Shifting Land's case, it just made E'Rah's LP change. In neither case the card or some form of Solid Vision of said card was shown. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:00, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

ZEXAL episode 137
Well, that episode finally aired in English. I had to rework the summary of the original version a bit to make it match up in sequence. Apparently in the dub, Vector's dad still died from his illness, but what do you think really happened to Vector's mom? The part where she got slashed got cut in the dub. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 03:46, December 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * I watched it myself just to see how they handled dub-Vector in general (pretty good except for what we're talking about now). Its really vague. They don't mention his mother after that, she collaspes for no actual reason and then Don Thousand appears. So I would just...say that in the article, I guess, XD. "You are not fit to carry my sword" was a good line and the exile thing ALMOST seemed credible. Then his mother falls over and yells for no reason at all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:58, December 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to believe that the sword-slashing happened off-screen. Either that, or she died or fainted of grief. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 04:39, December 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Fair enough then. Fainting seems likely enough of an explanation. I'd assume that if she survived, Vector exiled her. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:44, December 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Still, I think they handled dub Vector pretty well, like how he occasionally shifts to his Ray voice to mock his opponents, but it's not too frequent in the dub. Most of the manic expressions were there, too, but the more gruesome ones were removed, like the part where Vector revealed himself as Ray. But I can't help but wonder why this one was kept. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 04:54, December 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, they did a good job, overall. He was still very entertaining. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:57, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Spammer
Could you also please delete the following pages that Manhhungtt3 left behind? --  The Talk Goblin 16:57, December 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Manhhung1
 * Manhhung2
 * Mieru qq


 * Knew I would miss a few. Done. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:59, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Help I'm dying
Seriously. I've just added the JP images for the Anti cards. Viz's swapped the names of ALL FOUR of them in English. You can compare the pictures in the cards' articles. What do we do? Do we keep them with the right names and wrong artworks, or rename everything to make them have the right artwork and wrong name? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:14, December 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * I would keep the names as-is but remove the English images from each page for now. Pretend that VIZ did not print this chapter at all and organize it based only on the Japanese information. Then we can go back and figure out what to do with the English images. Also, I'll direct Delt here again. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:37, December 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Done. I've also replced the archetype picture in the archetype page. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:09, December 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * So, there actually is precedent for this. The same thing was done with "Giant Flea" and "Big Ant". Also see the note at Harpy Lady 2. We can use that for these to explain the error. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:17, December 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, that note thing looks awesome. So we add the pictures based on the artworks and explain that the names were swapped with a note like that one? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:47, December 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that should work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:47, December 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Done, dunno if you'd like to check them to see if everything's alright. By the way, two cards were also shown with the same artwork (Anti the Ray's), so there is no English image of a card with Anti the Abyss's artwork. Do we leave it without an English image? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:39, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Why not move Qliphort Assembler?
Usually translations between two TCG languages are closer than between a TCG language and an OCG language, making the TCG language more likely. We have a confirmed Japanese name and a confirmed Spanish name, any specific reason why the Japanese name should be preferred until an English name is known (is it just because the Japanese name came first)? I believe all "Qli" monsters have English names closer to their Spanish names than their Japanese names. Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 01:29, December 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Because we should be getting the confirmed English name soon enough, so why bother moving it twice if the name is wrong? Why move it now when its not confirmed? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:31, December 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Got it; thanks for the explanation. Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 07:07, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Manga again
How do I add the "antisupport" thing in the manga template? Also, should I keep using the "Unofficial lore" template for cards with unofficial lore? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:13, December 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * "|anti-supports = "
 * Yes, keep the lore template. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:10, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

'Kay, so I just finished the 5D's manga. Assuming you're doing ZEXAL next, the only remaining manga is R, right? If that's the case, I wouldn't mind doing it next, since Viz invented lores for most cards in R and I'd be able to add proper translations besides the Viz lore. Only, do you know if perhaps there's someone who could add English images? If there isn't, I can do that myself, it's just that doing both works sure takes double the time. Oh, and if you'd like me to review the GX cards for Viz-invented-lores cases, I can do that, it's pretty quick work. I can also upload English images if really needed, but I have only volumes 7, 8 and 9. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:28, January 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Cool. I intended to move on to ZEXAL, but ended up doing this instead (a. My laptop is broken right now, so I've stopped uploading card art since that's where I have all of it stored. Once I get it back, I'll finish the GX card art stuff (and do another run-through searching for more unnamed cards). Was indeed planning on moving onto to the ZEXAL manga now. I believe a few users have started adding the template to some R pages, but I've no idea if its done or how many pages, so if you'd like to that, that would be great.
 * Yes, please review the GX cards. I added the "viz_lore" thing to stuff I was sure of, but there's a few others (can't remember off the top of my head) that I wasn't sure about.
 * I actually have Volume 1 of GX in English. I can upload the stuff from there, but I don't have a source for them otherwise (though to be fair I haven't looked much, I can do that...but upload once again have to wait until my laptop is back). Maybe ask Spectertvx? Not sure what he has has, I know he often adds the VIZ lores, but I don't know that he has the GX stuff. Sanokol-KT has some English stuff too, but once again don't know how much. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:18, January 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * If there are people slowly adding R cards to the manga template, guess I'll review the GX cards first, while they add more R cards to the template.
 * Welp, suming up, we have volumes 1, 7, 8 and 9. Five remaining. xD I'll try asking those two, yep.
 * Oh, and BTW, I didn't add any artworks for 5D's 'cause I was adding the English images as well, so that'd be too much work. The artworks can be done by anyone, since we have all the pics already, so I guess I should focus first on the English images, which are tougher to obtain. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:36, January 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * That would be fine, and I'm perfectly willing to do the card arts eventually anyway if no one else gets to it.. I really should give the 5D's manga a proper read-through anyway. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:37, January 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * On the note of the GX manga, can you check the English versions of those volumes and find out whether "HERO" or "Hero" was used for the Masked Heroes, Vision Heroes, Escuridao and Shadow Mist? I believe they flip-flopped partway through, so we'd like to know which used HERO and which used Hero. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:37, January 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * In volume 7, "Hero" was used for all HEROes. In volumes 8 and 9 *pause for a sigh*, they swap between "Hero" and "HERO" in the same duels. I'd say they were trying to start using "HERO" but still let a few "Hero"s out of distraction, since the majority is "HERO". Anyway, I'd suggest you to stick with either "Hero" or "HERO", to keep at least the Wikia consistent. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:14, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW, I'll start reviewing the GX lores, did you keep the "unofficial lore" template in the ones with unofficial lore? Just so that I can identify which ones are Viz lores and which ones are NAC/Wikia lores. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:16, January 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Fun, thanks.
 * Well, I didn't remove any intentionally, but I can't say may not have. In any case, just look for miscapilizited stuff and nonsensical terms to find the viz ones, lol. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:42, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Why are there separate articles for Blackland Fire Dragon, if it's exactly the same in both mangas? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:38, January 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Its not. The Level is different. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:34, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Hm. For some reason, Shuttleroid (manga)'s lore doesn't mention the 1000 damage. It only reads the self-banishing part. Should we add the 1000 damage part as well and put "Reconstructed lore", or just leave it out? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:57, January 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Leave it out, we can note the inconsistency on the chapter page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:53, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Yokai
I know this have been discussed in the past, but it seems nothing was decided. I really think we should decide for once if we treat "Yokai" as a Type or sub-Type in this Wikia, 'cause it's obviously either of those, and not just a "misc" category. And if I may, I'll already make my opinion clear: I strongly believe they are a manga-only Type not adopted in the OCG/TCG. Since nothing is carved in stone about whether "Yokai" is a Type or sub-Type, we could simply choose which we'll use and then add a note explaining that it isn't completely clear what they are, but we're treating it as (?) for this site. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:54, January 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * So, I made a quick check on the "Yokai" support cards' lores, and I noticed Haunted Shrine, Vindictive Spirits and Mezuki (manga) clearly call Yokai a Type (Yokai-zoku) like Dragon, Spellcaster, etc. You know how manga cards work, they don't always say the whole thing. But calling them "Yokai-Type" once already makes it clearly a Type in my opinion. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:03, January 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm convinced by LegendaryAsariUgetsu's argument. Manga lores are known for not being syntactically correct. It's not uncommon for someone to say something like "Dragon monster", when being brief or careless, while still referring to the Type. Putting quotation marks around something that isn't a card name or archetype name/portion of card name, isn't too unlikely either. However it's very rare to suffix something with "-Type", without actually meaning Type and I'm guessing it's the same for 族 (Zoku).
 * If it does later turn out the instances where it's called a Type are a mistake or deliberate confusion, I don't think we're doing an injustice by taking it at face value. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:18, January 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * There's also the events involving "Phantasmagoria" which specifically changed Jesse's monsters from Insects to Yokai. Jesse had to change them back to use his "Rose Papillion". Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 22:44, January 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Great, so it seems we have concrete enough arguments to consider "Yokai" a Type. While we're at the subject... I'm positive all of Misawa's monsters from VS Manjome on are Yokais, but it seems he was using a different deck in his first duel VS Judai. Fox Fire and Rigorous Reaver are clearly not yokais, and his strategy was completely geared towards Goka, the Pyre of Malice, which we have no idea whether it's a Yokai or what. Should we make separate decklists for him or not? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:14, January 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Fine on the classification issue. I don't think its worth listing a separate deck though, even though those monsters indeed were not Yokai. I think we should just assume Goka isn't a Yokai and be done with it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:25, January 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Cool. Then, I revamped the Yokai article considering it a Type, feel free to double check it. Though, it seems the manga template doesn't recognize "Yokai" as a Type. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:33, January 7, 2015 (UTC)