Talk:Number

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Different Numbers Symbol image
The "4" is incorrect, compare it with the one on No. 40 and No. 34 and you'll see the difference. I don't know anything about uploading image to here and replacing the incorrect one with the correct one, though. So can someone here please do it? It's kinda odd to see the wrong symbol there.....Order (talk • contribs) 05:07, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

THIS, so much this. Why no one is doing this? It's even more obvious now that we have 64, 44, 46, 47, and 49, all shows that the 4 on this image

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120119152331/yugioh/images/d/dd/Numbers.jpg

is the wrong one. For some reason 42 has the wrong one, but considering that so far 42 is the only one, I think it's safe to say that for 42, it's just a one-time mistake.203.7.171.10 (talk) 13:40, June 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Number 34 was just unique design, nothing big. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:41, June 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * ....*facepalm* No one is talking about 34's unique "3" design, the topic was about the "4". Heck, even Order's post up there starts with "the 4 is incorrect".203.7.171.10 (talk) 13:53, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

No. vs. Numbers
So, I noted we add "No." instead of "Number" in "translated" for the cards' articles. That's wrong. The Kanji is indeed "No.", singular, but the Furigana indicates "Nanbāzu", which's "Numbers", plural. The right thing to add in "translated" would be "Numbers", not "No.". If nobody has objections, I'll be fixing it in the Numbers' articles. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:56, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, we do say Black Feather instead of BF, or other similar cases... Mad Rest 20:57, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * And be sure to add a colon or something similar; since it's now Numbers, it's less distinguishable. Mad Rest 20:59, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, I noticed the manga uses No. Mad Rest 21:00, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * A colon? Where? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:52, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * You know, the same as the TCG name. Mad Rest 21:56, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * English Name, you Legendary Pokémon player. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:57, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, sure. xD
 * On a site note, I'm an old Digimon fan, Fred. xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:05, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Is "No." not a valid abbreviation of the word "Numbers"? I would be in favor of keeping it that way, especially considering the English manga uses it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:23, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, Dèjá Vu all over again! First me, now him got all that screw up. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:27, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * As I said on Cheese's Talk Page, we don't call "Black Feathers" "BF", "Rank-Up Magic" "RUM" or "Ally of Justice" "AOJ". "No." is a valid abbreviation but not the actual name. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:45, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Numbers
if somenody can change number 72's name to Line monster Chariot Hisha cause i dont know how thanks.(67.180.147.2 (talk) 03:06, January 10, 2013 (UTC))
 * It's already enlisted there. Just look at "Original" topic. That's not so hard to find if you looked careful. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  03:16, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

C105 Sealed
To be honest, that doesn't really look like a sealed form, more like if C105 was energy to begin with or the Barian energy is being sent to possess 105. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:03, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Segregation?
Dare I even ask, why do Chaos Numbers for the "Over-Hundred Numbers" have their own section? It's using a completely fanmade term (Over-Hundred Number C), only contains two entries, of which one didn't fully appear. They're still Chaos Numbers, so shouldn't they be grouped until an official term is available? So there would be "Numbers", "Over-Hundred Numbers" and then "Chaos Numbers", which would contain all four currently known? -- ~ Mana ~   (Talk)   01:11, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, scratch this. I just noticed a random user did it because "he thought they should be different". I'll fix his mistake. -- ~ Mana ~   (Talk)   01:15, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

that user was me and i think it should be different, even with fanmade names, i mean in sailor moon, the terms inner solider and outer solider where fanmade and everyone went along with it, so why cant we do it here? superlmnoSuperlmno (talk • contribs) 19:55, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

"Alien" Script?
The "alien" script for the Numbers is actually highly stylized katakana. Can anyone provide more samples? I know we've got pics for Utopia and Galaxy Queen, but I'll admit some things about it aren't entirely clear to me yet...--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 21:20, February 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * They're being discussed over at Forum:Astral's Language. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:58, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Tachyon Drive
So, I've been thinking. Since the Utopia archetype is related to the Numbers, would it be possible for Tachyon Drive to be in relation to the Numbers because the Tachyon Dragon archetype is consistant of Numbers 107 and C107. 107.3.109.88 (talk) 17:55, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

"Tachyon Drive" supports "Tachyon Dragons", not an individual one, so it doesn't get classified as related. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:01, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sections
Maybe we ought to make a section to those from Season 1 and those for season 2? It would part them and it would less clutter the first headline. E n e r g y X ∞ 21:34, February 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I just don't think it makes sense to split up the contiguous Numbers. The first hundred should be presented on the page in consecutive order.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 21:38, February 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't see any reason to do so either. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:40, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Number 66's Sealed Form
I think we can see the Sealed Form for Number 66 in the preview for episode 94. The big gold question mark at about 0:19 .--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:45, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Template/table discussion
Hello, I've come to attention that a user has once edited the Number's page, this he also edited the template which it looked very organized. Could we debate which one we could use? This is the template the User:Avatarr posted. -- ~N S~  22:30, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with it. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 22:44, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that looks much more organized. I like it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:03, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * On the new layout could we take Images from the Manga that shows the Number for the likes of 63 and 72 if available until a colour one is released, just so that it fits in a bit better than just having the number written in the coloum. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 20:20, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Legendary Numbers Section?
is it to soon to add legendary Numbers to The Section or Do We Have to Wait till the episode airs and explains if its a legendary number or over 100 numbers?(107Number (talk • contribs) 21:39, April 8, 2013 (UTC))


 * Best to wait to see. We'll see what does that mean. E n e r g y X  ∞ 21:43, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

It referring to 7 cards it appears. DracoX (talk • contribs) 17:07, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * N44 is one of those Legendary Numbers, so it isn't worth creating a section. -- ~N S~  13:27, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * But should they be mentioned in the story section soley because they have been refered to as 'legendary numbers' in the anime. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 15:13, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * We can put it on Numeron Code page, because they might connection to it. In Dual-ism of Mirrors, it was seen the 7 Legendary "Numbers" were circling the Numeron Code.--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 23:08, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

permission to add hd pictures of the number symbols
can we change the number symbols some of them are blurred in Bad images I Just Uploaded an HD Picture of Number 34 symbol and added to its section is it ok to replace all the number symbols with hd pictures some a blurry a bit I want hd pictures like that one I added of terror byte (107Number (talk • contribs) 20:06, April 27, 2013 (UTC))

The table
I still think we have to part the table to Numbers in first and the ones in second season. The one we have now is cluttered and the other has 5 members, so yeah, it would make this overhaul. E n e r g y X ∞ 19:19, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

- Absolutely not. The Season 2 Number Monsters are no different than the original season's Numbers, however, how could Vector hold Number 66? Barians weren't supposed to hold Number cards, right? That's the only major difference between Season 1 and Season 2's Number Monsters.141.0.8.158 (talk) 23:16, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Sub Number Section
Het shouldn't the Over-Hundred Numbers be in they own section like the Legendary Numbers. That will make them easier to find and more support.

I say we leave the way is is now as they are different to the original Number and can't be absorbed by Astral.im gay (talk • contribs) 22:32, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Number C on archesupport
I think we should place the Number C in the archetype section as related, not together as members technically. It would make more sense.--im gay (talk • contribs) 23:47, June 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * We can't. Any and all "Number" support cards can target "Number C" monsters. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:53, June 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's like we are trying to creating the article that can collect all support cards for "XX-Saber", but they are also known as "X-Saber". So I am sorry but to say this, your request is denied. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:05, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

94's owner
does anyone have a screen of Shark giving Rio 94 because I don't remember seeing him give it to her as he was more concerned with her being unconcious to give her a card only he has been seen in posession of.Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 21:45, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Set Addition
http://kugatsu.exteen.com/20130625/duelist-pack-15-kastle-ryoga-kamishiro-rio-kamishiro

Whilst I was looking for some info on this set I found this that list No.73 as included in DP: Kastle/Kamishiro. COuld some one variefy the source before its added because I'd rather add information that way and I don't understand the language that its written in. Thanks :). Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 14:39, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * You need to stop believing every blog that you see. That is unconfirmed, and as far as I can tell unsourced, information. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 15:03, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Like Goldy say, the best source(s) you should believing in are; Konami site (for rulings and sets) and Shriek (for card images and names). All other are just garbage and make-up. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:13, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ark is saying its real, but the only source thus far is a BBS link. A product page will probably pop up soon enough. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:35, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * It was deleted from that topic. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who posted it there and this guy are one and the same. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:38, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, it wasn't. I'm talking about Ark's post in that topic. I also checked with Ark afterwards, there actually is a source besides what was deleted. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:40, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * We weren't debating the existence of the pack, but rather 73's confirmed inclusion in it. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:45, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:53, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

seal forms?
can we add this to seal forms if they dont have a seal form it says none why not add ? i like it (ZombieLionel (talk • contribs) 14:15, July 6, 2013 (UTC))

Because it isn't an unknown, it simply doesn't exist. Jet-Black Nova (talk • contribs) 14:30, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Main Picture
Shouldn't the Japanese picture stay, simillar to how we use the Japanese Anime versions when cards aren't released in both the OCG and TCG? It looks better than the English one anyway --FruityMan99 (talk • contribs) 07:40, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, I doubt im alone when I say I despise seeing the friggin 4kids Altered images as a main page image, same scene too, that switch really adds nothing and just hurts more then anything. it needs to goDreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 08:10, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Opening Paragraph, Number owned, Named etc.
Since the recent edits made to the mentioned section I feel that it may be starting to look a bit cluttered and perhaps a new way should be suggested so that it just gives a very brief overview of what is known as apposed to as it stands as posting this in which it gives lists of Number Monsters for some of the mentioned catagories (i.e. the 5 numbers from NUMH). I also feel that this may be confusing to some people reading it. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 15:12, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Manga Faker Number Evidence
This is the scan from the Manga chapter that I have suggested as evidence for ,y recent addition to the Table in regards to what numbers are owned by faker. NOte that though 26 and 92 would be read as 93 and 36 respectivley when inverted, all the other numbers are facing the same way in the image. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 21:16, August 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * It isn't even implied. In that page, Faker just generally talks about the Numbers, not says "these are the Numbers that we have". With no evidence, assuming that those are Faker's Numbers would be speculation. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:20, August 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok if it needs undoing I'll undo it, but just as a note would the inclusion of No. 82, which we know as being in Heartlands possesion would that not add validity onto who owns the others on the page? Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 21:25, August 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not enough to actually say that they belong to Faker, in my opinion. There's still no confirmation that those Numbers belong to them. In chapter 19, there's a page where Luna also talks about the Numbers and some appear in the background (page 11); this includes Number 60, which appears in the page with Faker as well, and Number 13, which belongs to Shadow. This proofs that random Numbers on the background are just illustrative. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:39, August 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok then consider the edit undone Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 21:47, August 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hm, would it still count as they appeared in manga? It could be written on card pages when they appeared. E n e r g y X  ∞ 23:36, August 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, they did appear, but just for illustrative purposes. It counts as an apparition. Although I'm not sure if we could consider that a Number debuted on that chapter; the actual card wasn't even shown, just a blank card with a big number on it. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:06, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

i also saw 57, i guess that means tri-head dust dragon appears in the manga Superlmno (Superlmno (talk • contribs) 02:25, August 21, 2013 (UTC))

Unknown Numbers
I have just thought if the number of unknown numbers was right, so I made a list of numbers from 1 to 100. on the page, it says there is only a total of 31 numbers that are unknown, however I came up with 44 unknown numbers. What happened to the other 13 unknown numbers, or will they be revealed later on? --I may not be perfect, but thats who I am. (talk • contribs) 16:21, August 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * The page shows Unknown Numbers that are in a Characters possession not how many a re actualy unknown, so the 33 that are shown on the table are in Yuma/Yagumos possession, where as the other 13 are currently completely unknown, i.e. not known who has them or where they are. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 18:32, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, How old are these things???
I think we need to note something here: The Numbers look like they're VERY old. It can't be said that Yuma opened Pandora's box when he summoned Astral anymore, because let's face it: Nasch summoned Abyss as Number 73 vs. Vector!!! I was hoping it wouldn't come to this, but between this, Don Thousand holding onto 4 Numbers, the whole Legendary Numbers deal, and the fact that Number 7 was in a MUSEUM when Charlie stole it, there's no way that the Numbers were released when Yuma summoned Astral. I don't know how we would say that, though; it's been the accepted truth for too long. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk)  20:04, September 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * We don't know the full story. Yeah, Nasch used it in the past, but perhaps the god itself had "Number 73" in its name. Don Thousand having four Numbers isn't explained, no. The Legendary Numbers as cards could have come into existence when Astral appeared, they simply never found owners. The museum bit is weird, but this is YGO - a new trading card appearing in a museum is no odder than a school dedicated to a card game. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:08, September 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I understand all that, but regarding Number 7 I noted that because why Number 7? Why not some other card? Number 7 even had an urban legend attributed to it. The Legendary Numbers in general I was skeptical of until 46, 73, and 94 happened quite blatantly and obviously. In general, the big problem I have with the Numbers is how quickly they were collected; 50 Numbers in how long? Don't you think that getting them in the hands of 3 factions happened way too quickly? I'm not saying we should change canon all of a sudden, I just think it's important to note all the timeline discrepencies. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk)  21:36, September 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Number 7 granted luck. The card itself was lucky enough to get into a museum, I guess. I don't really think the speed is a problem at all. People were actively tracking them down immediately. I was surprised the count was only 50 after the WDC, actually. Also, remember that the WDC itself was Faker's ploy to draw the Numbers to Heartland, that's why there were so many to get in the same area. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:48, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, how are we going to do this?
So, I was wondering? How are we going to list Number 39: Utopia Roots on this page? Any ideas?Over-HundredLegendaryChaosShiningNumbers (talk • contribs) 22:33, September 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Alternate Numbers section seems good to me, seems neutral enough and covers it accurately IMO (not that we know much). -- slave (command) 02:23, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Number 96 and 65
Alright so, any of you does have ANY PROOF that No 96 and 65 were obtained by Yuma/Astral???

Because last time they fought nothing was proved. No 96 tried to kill Yuma but Astral protected him with his body.

Then no96 went back to Don Thousand. Also by the time of that duel Astral did not had the power to absorb Number Cs and in the anime was never explained that he got it afterwards.

Also no65 is the last Legendary Numbers that is needed to confirm the location of the Numeron Code. Why people like Kaito and V have not studied those cards to find the Numeron Code yet? My answer is because Yuma never got it in the first place!

The most reasonable option is that No 96, 65, C65, C96, C92 and C69 (Number Cs are of minor importance to the plot anyway...) are in the possession of Don Thousand.

If you dont want to state that at least write "Unknown" to current owner because none of you has the proof that Yuma got those Numbers. If you have any proof show it to me.

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 17:23, September 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't know what actually happened to Number 65, but I can at least say this much:


 * Number 96 did not go to Don thousand after its defeat. Don Thousand reclaimed its strength, which was rightfully his. I don't know exactly where he went, but as Number 96 itself used that spear attack to fuse to and attempt a takeover of Astral, and that Number 96 absorbed every single card he owned into himself, it can be presumed that with his total defeat and destruction in his last struggle with Astral, it can be assumed that the defeat left the 2 Numbers to him. And since every single Number card obtained thus far (barring the ones in Kaito and Shark's hands) definitely went to Yuma, it can be assumed that they reverted to card form and went into Yuma's Extra Deck.


 * But you're right: In my opinion, we can't actually be certain. I was in favor of changing their status to unknown when the episode actually happened, but I've since been shouted down and skeptically convinced. I remain skeptical though. If definite proof to the contrary is bared, then I think that they'll change the info accordingly.


 * But then, let me refute one thing: The reason Kaito and V didn't study the Legendary Numbers is because the necessary information is contained in them as Astral's memories. And how would studying them reveal those? I don't actually see how that could be done. Therefore, only Astral can reclaim the location of the Numeron Code from the Legendarhttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Number?action=edit&section=25#y Numbers. Although, the most recent episode worries me greatly: Numeron Fall illustrates the Numeron Code exploding. And something happened regarding whenDon thousand and Astral were fighting over it. Possibly on Earth. This suggests strongly that something happened to the Numeron Code. Aeron Solo wuz here  (If you wanna talk)  19:27, September 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * As far as I'm concerned it is complete speculation on both sides; I see no proof that either Vector/Don, or Yuma/Astral received 65 or 96, let alone the number Cs... there are issues with yuma/astral being able to take the number cs,, but don siad he was taking his power back, not a number... power=bit of his soul =/ number? :s all speculation... can't we just leave there current ownership as Unknown? -- slave (command) 21:58, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Im all for leaving Unknown. I mean: we dont accept that No94 belongs to Merag/Rio even if the monster itself is a princess and Rio is the only female Barian out there. If we need somme proof over that fact I think we need a proof even here.

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 22:02, September 16, 2013 (UTC) Prove me that Yuma has No 96 and 65 if you can, otherwise let's leave Unknown.

New manga numbers
http://blog.livedoor.jp/maxut/archives/32215142.html

I dont understand Japanese so I dont know if they are Kite's but the image at the top of the page gives that implacation in my opinion maybe wrong though.

So I thought I'd put this here for someone to check over before adding them as Kites to avoid false info being added.

Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 15:08, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Count of Numbers
As this shows up every now and again:

There are NOT 90 confirmed Numbers, if you look at the confirmed numbers from the separate cannons (D Team is irrelevant here as it hasn't introduced anything new):

(Additionally, this count is only referring to the "Original Numbers")

Anime and Manga: 3 (17, 20, 39)

Anime but not Manga: 38 Numbers (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 15, 16, 19, 25, 30, 32, 33, 34, 40, 44, 46, 53, 54, 56, 61, 64, 65, 66, 69, 73, 83, 88, 92, 94 and 96) & 24 unknown Numbers

Manga but not Anime: 14 Numbers (13, 14, 21, 31, 42, 47, 48, 50, 52, 63, 70, 72, 82 and 91) & 7 unknown Numbers

Card Game Only: 5 Numbers (49, 57, 74, 85 and 87)

From this we know that there have only been (4+36=) 40 numbers in the anime with their name shown in full, as well as (4+14=) 18 numbers in the manga.

Because the 24 unknown Numbers we know nothing about, they could overlap with the 14 Numbers that have only appeared in the manga (as the anime and manga are two separate stories entirely), thus 24 unknown Numbers get cut down to 10; but these could also overlap with the 5 Numbers that have only appeared in the TCG/OCG which further brings the count down to (10-5=) 5 other different Numbers entirely. This shows that there are of the 64 different Numbers mentioned in the anime, of which '5 of them must be different to other Numbers we have seen anywhere.

As for the manga, the shown Numbers and the unknown Numbers (and therefore total Numbers), they remain at (18+7=) 25 Numbers, all of which but (25-24=) 1 having potentially already been seen.

Now while I can NOT say that those numbers DO overlap, it is a possibility (therefore that this is not proven to be false means we cannot state the 87 are proved either), but as it is a possibility; we can say that 5 of the twenty four numbers definitely don't overlap, where as that the other 16 do not overlap is also speculation; which is why I say 5; not because it can not be more; but because only 8 have been confirmed not to overlap as we are doing a combined count of both continuities. The same applies for only 1 of the Numbers in the manga not overlapping.

Finally adding the entirely shown Numbers from the different categories together; 4  (Anime and Manga) +36   (Anime but not Manga) +14   (Manga but not Anime) + 5   (Card Game Only) =59   (Total combined continuities confirmed)

Seriously pedantic it may be, but if you are counting the shown numbers + 24 + 7 one of these days you could end up with something g OVER 100, whilst simultaneously saying there are only 100 original numbers...

Additionally, whilst those numbers will change with new numbers being released in the anime/manga/TCG it the thrust of it is going to apply for a while yet... -- slave (command) 05:47, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * You do relised atleast 2 of the manga unknowns have been revealed right?

Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 08:37, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * sigh* Yes I copied that over from my user page where I wrote that up a while ago so as i said; some of the Numbers won't line up. but the point is we can't count all the individual numbers we know + X unknown numbers from the manga + Y unknown numbers from the anime. -.- -- slave (command) 08:46, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sealed form + original owner
So, I noticed these data are being discussed in edit wars, so instead, let's discuss 'em here first. To start with, my opinion:
 * Utopia and Revise Dragon are shown to have sealed forms, but in the manga, those were not shown. I think all Numbers whose sealed form was not shown should have "unknown" instead of "none", since nobody can tell for sure that a Number doesn't have a sealed form. It seems clear for me that all have, but some don't have theirs shown.
 * Original owner: I recently added Yagumo as 14's and 21's original owner 'cause it was explicitly shown and stated in the manga. I think we should just add "none" in "previous owner(s)" if the Number is clearly original from that character (e.g., No 70 and 82). Any thoughts? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:55, September 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with you on the original owners, but your as for your opinion on Sealed Forms, does that pertain to the anime as well? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:14, September 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thats the question that led me to list them as none as if we were to go with 'not shown = unknown' we would have to list the like of 33, 53 etc. as 'Unknown' when we know full well that they don't have them.


 * Also I'm sure that I've seen it somewhere that said that the manga numbers don't have sealed form but I can't remember where. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 16:39, September 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * @Rocket.knight.777 yes, my opinion regards the anime ones as well. For example, Heart eartH Dragon's summoning sequence wasn't shown, it was just shown already there on the field, we may just have not seen its sealed form.
 * @Photonkrios99 What about the Utopia/Revise Dragon examples, then? The manga is stupidly lazy, it's not a surprise that they don't bother making fancy things like sealed forms, they don't even bother writing card lores on the cards. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:30, September 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't forget, Heart-eartH Dragon was summoned twice, and both times it had no sealed form (I speak of its frst appearance and again in the final battle against Black Mist). Similarly, Numbers 11 and 69 had no sealed form when they were summoned but appeared almost similarly to how the CXyz were summoned. And like Photonkrios said, what about 33? It had no sealed form. It descended from the heavens three times (tag duel with IV against Kite and Yuma, v. Yuma, and with Yuma v. the Fearsome Four's Cicada guy. All of them had no sealed form of any kind. But that doesn't mean the Manga Number do not have a sealed form, it is yet possible that they may appear in the anime. I say once the anime is offically over and done with (as in Zexal is finally put to bed) we can then call it that they have no sealed forms.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:04, September 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * First, on the original owner thing, Kyoji has the ability to modify Numbers. Just read his page where it says "Abilities". Second, we can't say for sure they don't have sealed forms. We just didn't see them because they didn't show them. I don't see why there is such debate on this just because one guy doesn't agree. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:07, September 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * What debate? We're just explaining things to the guy on how the Manga Numbers' sealed forms are not known, but the anime ones who have not shown a Sealed form don't have one. Like 33, 11, 69, 53, and 92.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 22:28, September 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Exactly, but I figured he already knew that. Just a note, Number 53 did create a tornado which became his body when he was summoned, but I guess that can't really be considered a sealed form. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 22:46, September 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not really.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 23:30, September 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * I was the one who added the whole "abilities" section of Yagumo's article. He doesn't "modify Numbers"; he takes blank Numbers and mold them, make them take form and become actual Numbers. English's not my native language so I may have worded it bad, but it's basically this. And regarding the sealed forms, my opinion is quite the same as NMBRHNTR64's. We can't say that they don't have sealed forms 'cause they were not shown. If 80% of the Numbers are shown with sealed forms, I don't see why a few random Numbers wouldn't have them. They may actually not have them, but saying for sure that they don't is speculation. It's simple guys, leaving "none" implies unfounded information (hence, speculation), while leaving "unknown" implies that we don't know if it has or not a sealed form since it was not shown. There's no reason to make things complicated. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 02:23, September 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Good, it looks like that is settled then. As for the "Abilities" section, the way it was worded was a little misleading (no offense). I haven't read the chapter yet, so I just go off the wiki till I can. Although, it does make more sense that he can mold his own Numbers instead of someone else's (imagine what he would do with Number 39!). Like everyone else, I just want accurate information on this wiki. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 02:36, September 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, I'm not offended. I know my English skills still need improving. I'll try to re-write that section then. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 02:51, September 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's not settled. In the anime, if they had a sealed form, they'd have shown it. 33 is a frickin city. How do you seal that? As for the others, if they had one, they'd have shown it. They didn't because they don't. End of discussion.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 03:34, September 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Uhh… I thought we were discussing sealed forms in the manga. I am well aware that there are a few Numbers without a sealed form. Obviously, it should say "None" where an image of their sealed form would be. My argument is that should not be the case for Numbers in the manga, as the manga does not show sealed forms, so we do not know for sure that they do not have them. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 04:31, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * There was no implication that you were refering to the manga Number only and so I assmued you were lumping the anime Numbers in there as well.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 06:44, September 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's not "end of discussion" 'cause you said so. Did you read my last input? What you're doing is speculation. We don't want speculation, we don't add speculation, we undo speculation edits. Seriously, what's so hard about just adding "unknown" instead of "none"? I already said, the sealed form was not shown, hence, we don't know it = unknown. This "sealed form" thing is not even an official thing to start with, it's just some random thing we add for some reason. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 14:50, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about just the manga Numbers, the anime Numbers, or both?--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 15:56, September 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Mainly, the manga Numbers and that even though we don't see them, that does not mean that they do not exist. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 15:59, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I think we need to back up here, because it seems we're going around in circles. Let's see if we agree here. Sealed Form for manga Numbers = unknown, Sealed Form for anime Numbers = if not shown, there is none. Agreed?--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:06, September 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about both anime and manga. They have different stories but it's the same universe, same characters and same Numbers. I think we should add "unknown" for both cases. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:30, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Come on, man. They would have shown them if the anime Numbers had a sealed form (which they did in many cases), but there are those without a sealed form. The only case you have could be for 56, which could easily have a sealed form; but there are those that don't. 33 is a huge, floating city. How do you seal that? 53, the animation made it look like it was made from trash, and 92 is its real form (so is a sense 53 is 92's sealed form). 69 descended for above like a god and had a similar summoning animation to 11 and the CXyz. 88...ok, maybe there the animators probably got lazy and didn't want to deal with sealing the monster and its throne, but still the fact remains: Not every Number has a sealed form. The manga Numbers may, but for anime, they would have shown it if the Number had it.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:51, September 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, when it comes to anime, they would have shown them if they had them. And when it comes to the ZEXAL anime and manga, they are considered to have occurred in alternate timelines, as the stories are completely different and feature many different characters. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 17:33, September 22, 2013 (UTC)