User talk:Cheesedude/Archive8

RE: III and V
My edit summary was "Same as Quatro", which was moved because... well a reason wasn't really given. I don't think so, I just moved them since it would take a long time to bot change "V" since lots of words have a capital V (like TV, Veil, etc) so I need to check each page. If the page is moved again, I don't need to check each page now. I had lots of time on that day, not so much after that. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:45, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Episode 69
Did the Number 53 leave the field in the end of the episode? An anon put that info (though it was written more in a way of speculation). Can you confirm that info? E n e r g y X ∞ 12:40, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * We can't be sure. They were focused on Number 91 at the end. 53 didn't look it was still there, but he could have easily been behind 91. I assumed that 53 was used an Overlay Unit for 91, since 91 appeared to have one Overlay Unit, but that's speculation too, which I why I left it ambiguous when I wrote the section. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:59, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

So...
What is the standard episode duel layout? Is it like this:


 * Player 1
 * Action 1
 * Action 2


 * Player 2
 * Action 1
 * Action 2

Or is it like this:

Action 1, Action 2
 * Player 1

Action 1, Action 2
 * Player 2

If you have questions, please ask them. E n e r g y X ∞ 22:17, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * The bulleted style is outdated. We've started writing it in prose. See pretty much any ZEXAL article. That's how it should be written. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:08, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Don't you think...
you're being a bit too easy on User:Rocket.knight.777? His stance is essentially "Hi, I'm new, I don't like the currently-working system that you've been using for archetypes, I don't have a better way to organize it, but I'm going to cause a fuss anyway." I understand that you're a mod and you're trying to be a diplomat, but he's essentially just trying to cause trouble. Isn't there a point where you say "I'm a mod, this is the way we do things. If you don't like that, feel free to leave." Not trying to tell you how to be a mod, but I just have a few things that I'm holding back to respect how adamant you are to reason with him.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 19:33, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * A) I'm not new. I've been coming to this sight for a few years now, and only had to sign up when the admins made some sections of the site (i.e. lists of member to a certain Type and/or Level) members only. It is in maturity and growth from coming here for so long and viewing and playing the game that I'm just trying to express and hopefully help perfect the slight flaw in the system through critical thinking. B) This is a community site to have the mod and admin go Hitler and say "my site my rules" will turn people away. Before you make accusations Yamiwheeler, I suggest you get the facts.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:49, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Instantly to the Hitler example. Yes, because Hitler really gave the choice of "If you don't like it, feel free to leave." Silly people. Anyway, I don't believe I was talking to you. You still failed to address my point, either way, in which you're coming in here, whining about the system, but don't have a better alternative. As an anon, you are not part of the community, so you are new to it, and this is the way we do things. We've had many a discussion about it and the majority obviously feels that the current way is the best way, so it's perfectly acceptable when someone like you comes along and demands a change from what is tried-and-tested, to tell you that sorry - If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Regardless, this is a conversation between me and Cheesedude.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:32, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you are going to insult me I have a right to defend me honor. If you want a more private conversation with him, I suggest finding another means of contacting him than something where any update is logged. Whatever "power" you think you have must be giving you a swelled head, because you obviously are not listening to what I'm saying. I've suggest you focus the archetype on Name, Support and theme because it seems the most logical regardless of whatever names the cards have. What might be a good idea to the majority of the "heads" does not mean it's good for the majority of the "masses". Either way, it seemed no one is going to budge on this, so I repeat what I had also suggested, Why doesn't somebody write Konami and ask them what makes an archetype an archetype. If you suggest I should do it, I say "If you won't listen to a simple suggestion from a peon like me, what makes you think you'd listen to me if I got an answer from them?"--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:53, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, Knight 777, please cut it out - Yami's message is meaning for Cheesy here, not for you, hence the reason why he's respond to Cheesy's Talk Page. They would have to using Email but they're too lazy to open the mailbox right now. Alright? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:56, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, who's insulting who? I've been quite civil so far, but so far, you've accused people of behaving like Hitler and said they've got swelled heads. You seem to take your "rights" on the internet far too seriously. And once again, you prove your unfamiliarity with the Wiki, because on this Wiki, we go by what the majority wants with almost every matter like this. Once again, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. No one will be changing the sole foundation of the Wiki just for you. We aren't listening to you because you aren't making a realistic argument. How exactly would you organize it by name, support and theme on this Wiki? How would you factor in cards that aren't part of an archetype by your definition, but still receive support from that archetype's support cards, like "roid" monsters that are not "Vehicroids"? Please feel free to draw up a template on how we can organize the cards like this and then perhaps people will take you seriously. As for e-mailing Konami, it's your suggestion, why don't you take responsibility for it? If Konami themselves e-mail you back with a strict definition of an archetype, then obviously we'll take it into consideration.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 21:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The only reason I jusped in is because I feel he insulted me. I'll back out. But if I feel I have been insulted, I have a right to jump in and defend my honor.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 21:00, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * We knew, and that's why Yami want to know Cheesy's opinion on you. And this site is belong to nothing but TwoTailedFox (Founder), and he don't control the site like it's his kingdom - he only created it for Yu-Gi-Oh! stuffs to keep updating and stuffs - nothing more. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:12, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * For the record, restricting the queries, such as lists of monsters by Type, was not something done by the administrators. The archetype definition is not an admin "my site, my rules" thing. Too many users had different opinions of what counted as an archetype/series etc. After many long discussions involving users of any status, the last of which Cheesedude linked you to; Forum:Archetype definition (again), something was finally decided on. A lot went into those discussions, it's not something likely to be overwritten because one user disagrees with it. I don't think everyone was happy with every aspect of the final result, but it was the best general agreement. There are some parts I don't quite agree with, but am happy to follow, because it was a communal agreement. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:48, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

To answer the original question posed, no, I don't think I was going too easy on him. It wasn't as if he continued to revert to his style after that conversation started. I don't think his intent was to cause trouble at all. He legitimately thinks the current system is BS (which is fine, and to an extent even I agree its BS. As Delt said, no one is happy with all of it). For the record, I don't mind other people jumping in on my talk page. Prior to those reverts, Rocket Knight had constructive edits and I do not want to discourage him from continuing to edit this wiki. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. To me, it came across as trying to start trouble when he refused to acknowledge the majority verdict and the amount of discussion that went into the decision to have the system this way, but whatever, it's over now.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:37, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

ZEXAL II
So, you know about the "new ZEXAL" which is starting on October, right (ZEXAL second)? So, what are we gonna do? A new article, or a section about it in the main "ZEXAL" anime article? Remember not only the name, but the airing time will change as well, from Monday 19:30 to Sunday 17:30. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:10, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I heard about it. I'd like to see the logo before we make any decisions. It may be best to wait until a few episodes have aired. It may just be a continuation with a subtitle (if there's a timeskip or something that really makes it different I could see making new articles). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:04, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * There you go. For now, we have a brief summary, the logo, and the airing date. Not really sure, as I'm not exactly apart of all news regarding this second season, but it seems the story is gonna take place right after Faker's defeat, when the Awesomeness Trio saved the world and everything's at peace (just like 5D's, from season 2 to 3). Just to let'ya know.
 * By the way, shouldn't we make articles for this special episode and for that garbage eliminating room inside the Heartland Tower? It clearly has something with the plot, as it seems it contains a portal which leads to the Astral World, and some important events happen there, like Awesomeness Trio vs. Faker. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:36, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. It does sound like its a continuation. What I'd like to see is if the first episode of the series backtracks to 1 or continues where the previous one left off. That's what will ultimately determine if we make a new article or not, I think.
 * Yeah, those could use articles. The episode article should be created with the actual name of the episode as the article name, since there's no numerical episode number for it. As for the room, I'm not sure what we'd call it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:44, September 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed.
 * I may be wrong, but I think there's an actual name for the room. It was mentioned in the manga either when Haruto created a fireball there or when Cologne's past was revealed. Was it... Heartland's disposal plant? Something like that. I probably wrote in the summary of some chapter. But whatever, don't think that room has an "official name", to tell the truth. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:54, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

The Winged Dragon of Ra (original)
The anime lore states the fourth, fifth, and sixth effects that activate when this card is Special Summoned in the Graveyard activate only when it is revived from the Graveyard. This is contradicted in Episode 85 of GX as Franz was able to use those effects without Special Summoning itself from the Graveyard. The only way Franz could activate those effects was if some kind of effect allowed him to do so(possible "Mound of the Bound Creator").Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:22, August 30, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Honestly, we will never get consistent effects for the god cards. They do whatever they need to do to suit the situation. There's nothing written on "Mound of Bound Creator" that says that and I don't believe there was dialogue to indicate that it had that effect either. The effect is simply inconsistent. It's not necessarily an error either, just an inconsistency. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:43, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * The effects that activate when this card is Special Summoned from the Graveyard is probably not necessarily I think. The people who usually use this card is Yami Marik and Franz. They seem to usually use the effects for their own somewhat self pleasure. The condition was probably just added due to how it was shown. Those effects can probably be activated at any time if their own conditions are met, but the player who uses them chooses which one to use and they usually use it to either wipe their opponents out or just get rid of their monsters. This is just my guess for the moment.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:38, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

"Overdoom Line"
The animelore says all monsters summoned from the Graveyard, but that would mean both players' monsters would get the boost, however the episode seems to explicitly say that only all of Akiza's monsters would get the boost. Reply when you can.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:54, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Ok, then change it. You don't have to run everything you do by me, you know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:41, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agreed with Cheesy, he's not that brilliant with the stuffs, but hey, he's not the boss of anything - if you're "stuck", then here he can help you out. And if you think you're not sure, just collect all the data and throw at him at once - I felt sorry for ATEM when I ran everything at him with the rulings... -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:43, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am sorry if I sometimes act like I need permission for things as well as making it look like Cheesedude is the boss of "anything", but sometimes I can't figure things out completely and I usually don't want to insert or change animelores if I am not completely positive that is what it should be. I only come here if I think I can't find any other solution to certain discrepancies I find. Sorry if I acted like I was bothering anyone.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:34, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * It's ok. It's just that in many cases, I don't have much to add to the explanation myself. There has been several topics where you've given me a guess that I agreed with. Even if you're not 100% sure, it's ok to change something. I have most anime cards on my watchlist, so on the off-chance I do have something to add, I'll likely see you make the change and can contact you about it if I need to. All I'm saying is you can be a bit bolder if you like. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:13, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * No worry, like Cheesy said, just go do your job, only without bugging him, and let's see if you can get them all right. Like I did with Appearance articles recently and I just noticed Delta Neos who went and fixed one of Card Appearance straight, ever without have me asking him. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:16, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay I'll try to use the talk pages of the card pages themselves if I find any discrepancies I can't solve by myself. Any of you guys are free to come to the talk page and discuss with those topics. If I find any I will post those there.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 22:18, August 31, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Good, now less pain on Cheesy's shoulder. So have fun dump your insanity stuffs there. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:39, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Number 39's Logical
Now I understand why TCG name was "Utopia" instead of "Hope" - the latter word is most often using for female than using for male. At least he managed to explain the reason why that name was selected. Thank you for show the link, my friend. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:00, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Kaiō
Just regarding this edit, I thought I'd mention that the name "Kaiō" in this situation may not use the same kanji as Atlanteans do, and it could also be written in katakana (avoiding kanji altogether). Unless there's a place where the name is listed in kanji, it's unofficial. You might want to consider just leaving it as "かいおう", or "かいお" since the original page didn't list an "う" at the end.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:12, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Considering Rikuo's Japanese name, that sounds about right. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:22, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:27, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Ou vs. Ō in names
So, y'know 'bout "ou" which becomes "ō" in Japanese, right. When this happens in a character's name, what exactly should one do? For Kyouji Yagumo, I put "Kyōji" in the rōmaji name, and in English (article's name, thus all the rest as well) I put "Kyouji". So, is this all right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:15, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Based on Koji Nagumo (who has to assume Yagumo is a reference too for whatever reason),it would be "Kōji" for the romaji and just "Koji" for the English name (which I also assume was spelled that way in the English manga). It's very likely the English ZEXAL manga will spell it the same way. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:24, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * So, "Kyoji" would be better? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:53, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait, I just remembered Rank 21 is coming in English about next week, so we'll be able to check this out. Then, we use the standard Viz will use for all other characters as well, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:56, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Right. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:10, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

GX manga Summons: The Revenge
So, as the original message is in the archives...
 * As you can suppose, "Winged Kuriboh LV9" is "Evolution Summoned". By the way, Kohinata's "Evil Dragon Ananta" is just "Special Summoned", not "Union Summoned", stepping over my theory of "Union Summon monsters = monster with special summoning conditions". *sigh* LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:37, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:10, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sho's "Solidroid α" is "Union Summoned", but in a still different way. He's summoned by sending 3 "roids" from the hand to the grave - when that happens, Sho declares "チェンジ ソリッドα" (Chenji Soriddo Arufa, "Change Solid Alpha"). Then, when "Solidroid α" is Summoned, he declares "変形合体" (Henkei Gattai, "Modification/Transformation Union"). Although I don't think the "変形" part is relevant. Well, it's just one more stupid random "Union Summon". Seriously, this one also fits my theory, just "Evil Dragon Ananta" doesn't. This is so confusing. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:39, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, same goes for "Solidroid β" and "Solidroid γ". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:56, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

NC Images
How come some have been removed? I had some spare time so started uploading again and some pages such as the Advanced Crystal Beasts had their NC images removed. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 20:04, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * No idea, Scarecrow. Take a look and see if it was the same person that removed all of them and contact them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:10, September 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I did do, but there's no edit summary of them being put in or being taken out. It's weird because I remember uploading the Advanced Crystal Beasts and their gem images, but none of them are in the galleries. Also I have another question, why is Yubel's Sacred Beast deck seperate from her plant deck when they not only have several of the same cards, but there's also no proof of her changing decks. Also when she stopped possessing Jesse, she would have only been left with the Sacred Beast deck (as he took the Crystal Beasts back from her). TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 16:54, September 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I recall seeing those images. I can't be sure what happened either though. Try Dinoguy, I suppose. As far as Yubel goes, I would argue that there's no also proof that she didn't change Decks. She used cards from both of her Sacred Beasts Decks (which despite having the same goal had very different ways of bringing them out). It could very easily be the same Deck or a different Deck. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:28, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

One quick note
I made a question in the talk page of "Crimson Fire", but nobody has answered to it yet. I was wondering if you could join in on this because there is only one discrepancy relating to "Crimson Fire" that I have not yet solved.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:04, September 4, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

D or Dueling?
In D Team ZEXAL, there's the "Ｄネットワーク", which is the "Dueling Network", used by the Dueling Teams. But, as "D-Pad" is written with the "D-" instead of "Dueling", but "Duel Gazer" doesn't, I wonder how should I write the Network. "D-Network" or "Dueling Network"? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:50, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Probably "D-Network". As you said, D-Pad is like that and in Japan they just called Duel Gazers "D-Gazers". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:55, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. Thinking now, this may also avoid confusion with the online game "Dueling Network". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:05, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Images
No problem. Didnt expect a thank you lol SharkTenjo 09:33, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cool. Glad to help SharkTenjo 09:58, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

move request
Structure Deck 20: Lost Sanctuary to Structure Deck: Lost Sanctuary. Thanks. -Lpoi (talk • contribs) 09:17, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Number 92 banishing effect
This was because Number 92 was not yet on the field when Kaito Summoned Galaxy-Eyes and Set his card. The banishing effect only activates during the Standby Phase if a card was played on the field the previous turn WHILE Number 92 was on the field. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 15:37, September 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I was trying to illustrate by adding that text. If the existing text makes it clear enough, fine. You're infinitely better at wording card lores than I am, so carry on. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:53, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

I see your point, but...
... this is a public article. The editing and formatting reflects on the Wikia itself, and based on observations of both of them, they seem well-versed enough in English that it seemed like a valid point. As for the Ban threat, there's more to this than the last few days with their baiting of each other. The ban is consistent with behaviour from previous altercations.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:29, September 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * The issue has already been fixed.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:36, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

DN + Wikia
Howdy. I posted up the list of cards with different names between our respective sites, along with the text you can just straight-import to autocreate the Redirect pages (tested on a seperate Wiki and it worked perfectly). http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?showtopic=146431&view=findpost&p=3276096 AEtherchild (Talk|Contribs) 04:03, September 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. Thank you. Though you could have uploaded them yourself, now that I think of it. It was really you that did the work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:15, September 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Export function's public, but Import's limited to Admins. I did check ^_^ AEtherchild (Talk|Contribs) 04:17, September 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, that's right. One question: One of the imported pages was "Backlash", which is a manga only card. Is there an OCG card with a similiar name that caused a screw-up? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:19, September 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hm. Total coincidence actually. Due to the fact DN has no Anime or Manga cards, we tend not to check whether an English card name we use already exists in one of those mediums. I'll mention it to Atem though, the Wikia redirects are very useful to our playerbase so we do indeed want to make it work right for them :) AEtherchild (Talk|Contribs) 04:23, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Kyoji
Unfortunately, Kyoji's single appearance in the chapter was that, which I took the image and put in the article. However, when he appears again, do you think it'd be better to replace the file with one showing only his face?
 * By the way, what do you think about the file on the chapter's article? Do you think another one is more appropriated? I though in adding this one, as the chapter focuses on Shark's and Kyoji's past, but the iamge is very small... any thoughts? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:41, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that would be good.
 * Uh, consensus is that infobox images for chapter articles should be the title page of each chapter. I honestly hadn't noticed that that's not what you'd been using. Other images can be used elsewhere in the articles. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:54, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah, I know. I stopped using them when our dear Mako stopped buying the V Jump, as he lost access to it. So I had to add any LQ scan we found, as that was the only thing we had. Although starting from Rank 19, we are getting them in English, so I can add the English tittle pages from that Rank on. We'll just have to wait to obtain official tittle pages for Ranks 15~18 (either until someone buys the Japanese volume 3 and scans it, or waiting untiiiiil volume 3 is release in English. ......aaaaaand someone scans it). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:59, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok. Well, in that case, I like the image with Shark and Kyoji better. I don't think the size matters that much. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:01, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Manga only support
Y'know when a card has an effect in the manga, and when its released in the OCG/TCG, the effect is changed? So, in the case of "Cyber Eltanin", for example. The archetype "Cyber" is an archetype just 'cause it has support in the manga. "Cyber Eltanin" is support for the archetype in the manga, but not in the OCG/TCG. So, we don't add "|support = Cyber" on the article, or do we? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:36, September 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, we don't, unless its the only support card for that archetype, like "Number C32: Shark Drake Vice" for "Shark" or "Spawn Alligator" for "Alligator". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:38, September 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * And then we hold out for the card page redesign, after which each medium will finally have its own card category parameters, and we can finally start marking cards as archetype support for only the anime/manga version. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:30, September 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, that looks awesome! Looking forward to it. ^^ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:45, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Bottomless Trap Hole
Yes, that was already resolved. I guess they didn't edit it back. Mad Rest 00:52, September 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually no, I meant the opposite. Naraku was decided to be named Hell. See it on Deltaneos's talk page somewhere. :http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Deltaneos#Translation_Errors
 * It's just a synonym for jigoku, I guess. Mad Rest 01:04, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype
The generator unit is support i agree but for Cyber decks not for photons it seems to like a logic flaw. Are you saying that the card as long as it support something is treated aspart of the archetype even if the name is the only thing/link in common with the archetype while having other relation with archetype.--Veriteo (talk • contribs) 19:48, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Zexal Portal
Yo. Do you know how to remove Bronk Stone from the Zexal Portal on the main page? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 19:24, September 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, but the box needs to have six characters to line up with everything else. Who should we replace him with? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:40, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

How about Hart? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 17:43, September 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess he has much more participation than Tetsuo (Bronk). I agree on removing him, he doesn't do a single relevant thing since... Actually, he only did something relevant on episodes 20 and 33. :/ So, I think Haruto (Hart) would be a better option, as he appears a lot, and has a big role on the plot.
 * By the way, do you know if we'll make a new Portal for the ZEXAL II characters or keep one Portal for everything that is called "ZEXAL"?
 * Excuse me for intruding by the way. :P LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:17, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

No worries. Then if we're all in agreement, then Hart will replace Bronk.

I'm not sure about it. It's technically the same series, so is it really needed for another portal? But if we do then along with Yuma, Astral, Tori, Shark, and Kite, maybe we should also include Rio and Rei in as well. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 01:12, September 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * We need to wait and see the first episode of ZEXAL II. If it resets its episode numbers to 1, we should consider it a separate series and make a new portal and new everything for it. If it keeps going to 73, we should probably keep it integrated. I'll move Haruto into the portal now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:10, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Okay then. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 04:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I haven't switched Bronk to Hart, because I cannot remember where the page is that controls what is shown there (I know I've edited it before, but I can't find it on my watchlist). I've asked someone that will know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:36, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Card X Spirit
If a monster appears just as a spirit in a certain chapter/episode, should it be added in that chapter/episode's "Featured Cards"? "Kuribon" is always with Ruca in the manga as a spirit, though she never showed to have its card. If it counts as the appearance of the card, then "Kuribon" should be added in every chapter Ruca appears. By the way, "Tragoedia" also appears a lot in the GX manga, but y'know, there, it isn't a card, it is just a "Ka"/spirit. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:34, September 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * It can be noted in the featured cards section, yes, with a clear explanation that it's not a card appearance. I believe its listed that way in some of the later 5D's episode articles.
 * As for whether it counts, there is no real consensus. I've asked before, and no one really responded. I got a "maybe" from Deltaneos, a "no" from Aged Goblin and a "maybe" from myself. I later decided they did count, but never implemented any of it myself, nor did anyone else. So um, maybe? Yay, indecisiveness! For what it's worth, "Maiden of the Aqua" never appeared in the anime as a card, but was the featured card for an episode the spirit appeared in. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:40, September 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Then, what about something like adding the card with a "(as a spirit)" or just "(spirit)"? I guess I did that in a few chapters of GX, like "Winged Kuriboh (as a spirit)". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:13, September 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * In a few 5D's articles, its listed like this. I think that works, and its good to not have it in a Decklist, I think. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:18, September 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems good. In that case, I think it'd be better to add it in " {{Decklist|Card spirits " or something like that. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:19, September 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Like Legendary said, I keep see Ruca's Kuribon in Manga as doll - if it was a spirit, it never speak or move. It just stay still, treated the way like the doll. And yes, I can tell the difference between the real and the fake, thanks to my insanity. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:21, September 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * ....Now that you said it, it was never confirmed that is the spirit of the card, "Kuribon". Although it is deducible as it is Ruca's spirit partner in the anime, nothing was ever said about card spirits in the manga, so saying its the spirit would be sorta speculation. :/ You're good at making things get complicated, Fred-kun. xD
 * ~Just joking. ;) Though, now I'm not sure of what to do about it... Maybe we can add "Kuribon" as "Others" or something like that. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:55, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Talk page note
I have made a note on the talk page of "Blackwing - Sirocco the Dawn" page, but nobody has answered yet. This is about a discrepancy that exists only in the dub. Can you join into the talk page, so I can get this discrepancy solved?Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 22:58, September 17, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

PNG
Yeah Sorry About The Double PNG

Virus kanji?
Hey Cheesedude, would you be able to check ''Yu-Gi-Oh! R'' to see if Virus Cards are ever referred to with a kanji name? I'm asking in relation to User talk:TwoTailedFox, if you're curious. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:36, September 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Do you mean on the cards or in dialogue? In relation to the "death" point, it sounds like that would come from "Deck Destruction Virus of Death" and could have been a copy/paste job of the wrong text from a card. "Alpha-Wave Emission" and "Vaccination" don't appear to be of any help here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:54, September 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * In dialog. I don't think any of the kanji used on cards could be applied to Virus Cards as a whole.
 * That's what I was thinking, and Delt also seems to agree with that possibility. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:37, September 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm short on time right now, but I'll check when I can. You could also ask LegendaryAsariUgetsu, he'd be able to isolate the text you're looking for much better than I could, given that he actually knows some Japanese. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:46, September 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought of asking him too; I might later.
 * I forgot to mention, but Delt did find a mention in dialog; Duelist 43 uses the katakana name. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:06, September 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just looked through them. I'm not going to be able to isolate the text. For what its worth, the single summary of the chapter I've found doesn't mention anything further about virus cards in its dialogue translation. I'd ask Asari. On the off-chance he doesn't have the chapter, I can provide that if need-be. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:25, September 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Attending to numerous requests, here am I, Asaaaaaaaaarriiiiiiiiiiiiii-- *gets punched*
 * *bleeding* 'Kay, so, sorry for my dumbness, what exactly is the issue here? Is it if the characters refer to the "Virus" cards using the Kanji, "死", or the Kana? If it's that, on R Duel Round 28, Kaiba says nothing about "Virus" when he activates "Alpha-Wave Emission", he just says "Reverse card, open!", though in the card, "Virus Card" is written in Kana, "ウイルス・カード" ("Wirusu Kādo"). Same goes for the lore of "Vaccination", "ウイルス・カード" is written. On R Duel Round 14, when Kaiba mentally explains to himself his all mighty and brilliant tactics, he says that "(...) the Virus of Deck-Killing is gonna infect your Deck - and is gonna destroy your Deck!". A note here. When he says what I adapted to "Virus of Deck-Killing", he uses the Kanji, "死" (yes, "death" or "die"), and still says "Virus" in Kana, "ウイルス". I guess the "死" comes from there, as Kaiba uses this expression since the original manga, if I remember well. This is also referred as "Deck Destruction" ("デッキ破壊", "Dekki Hakai"), if I'm not mistaken (which is even more common) - what later became "Mill", 'cause it's easier and shorter.
 * About using the Kanji "死" to represent the card type, it depends. That file is fanmade, isn't it? If it was from official sources, then I guess it'd be right to keep it, but if not, I don't think "Death" is appropriate to represent the "Viruses". They don't all "kill" (destroy) actually, and "death" is much indirect in my opinion. But, if fanmade icons are accepted, then I think one using the Kanji "菌" would be a bit more appropriate; it alone can mean "bacteria" or "germ", and is part of "病原菌", which is properly "Virus" (the "Spell" icon has the same origin; it is "魔", which is part of "魔法" - "Spell"). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:00, September 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your input, Asari, that definitely clears a lot up. =)
 * Yeah, the SVG icon (and its PNG source) are both fan-made; I asked TTF about the origins of the PNG icon, but he doesn't really remember. I remember Delt saying at some point that Virus (and Trap-Spell) don't have official Attribute icons, since they're manga-only and the manga doesn't use Attribute icons at all.
 * I was looking for a kanji that might be suitable for the Virus icon; it's good to get a recommendation from someone familiar with the language. Unless someone objects or suggests an alternative, I think that's what we should go with. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:47, September 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. Though, I'm still learning Kanji, so, if you don't mind waiting a bit, I may ask Ark from Neo Ark Cradle for an opinion as well. He really is the best guy I know regarding Japanese. Really really. He scares me sometimes. :|
 * By the way, Dino, I was thinking here on some suggestion (again). =) Y'know, there are cards that have a different type/Type/Attribute in the manga/anime and OCG/TCG, as well as, as we were discussing previously, cards with different effects from one to another. As you commented about, for example, making something to enable a card which only supports an archetype on the manga to be treated as doing so as well, I thought on something. Please check this. Do you know this thing they did right up the file, which you can press "Pre Timeskip" or "Post Timeskip", and the file will change? Just a suggestion, but what if we did something similar to the cards? Like, having "two (or more) sides", one for the TCG/OCG and one for the manga, for example, if the card changed from one to another? Then, we wouldn't need to put "animelore", "mangalore" in the card articles, but instead in the "anime", "manga" "side" of the article. One would just have to click "anime" in the upper side of the article, and it'd show the anime version. Also, if, for example, you go to the "Cyber" article, and click in "Cyber Eltanin" down the archetype navbox, as "Cyber Eltanin" only supports the archetype in the manga, then the link would redirect you to the "manga side" of the article. This could be used with the Virus Cards as well, as they are only "Virus Cards" in the manga, and are Monsters, Spells or Traps in the OCG/TCG. Though, this is just a lul thought I had and felt like commenting, maybe this would be troublesome to make and then give us a lot of work to fix that many card articles, so, just commenting :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:36, September 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's fine, I have no problem waiting a bit longer. ;)
 * We're already working on most of that. =D I've also been thinking about the linking, though I'm not really sure how we'll handle that. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:22, September 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm talking to Ark on Yahoo right now. I'll ask him. Hang on. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:25, September 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * He has no better suggestions. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:42, September 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cool, Asari's suggestion it is then! 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:54, September 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Dino: Oh, you are? xD You for sure are some steps ahead. ^^ Looking forward to your projects to be done. ^^ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:49, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Unicorn
http://neoarkcradle.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1993&start=80

He posted in the wrong topic. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:07, September 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * XD. Ok. I thought that might be the case, but I didn't check that particular topic. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:17, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Cyber Dragon and Cyber End Dragon's coloration
Dunno to tell the truth, I just decided to watch GX and I'm just on episode 8 :P. But I thought that 'cause "Cyber Dragon" was also released with an alternate artwork where it is colored black, so I deduced that. But if it's not the case, guess it's irrelevant. :P (Though monsters do use to change coloring/appearance due to character/personality change in the anime/manga. When Judai first Duels Manjoume and "Flame Wingman" switches control to Majoume, it gains an ugly mouth and a dark aura, for example.) LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:00, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha, doesn't seem a bad idea. It's a shame I don't have those episodes yet. Also, the Duel from episode 8, from where I took the pics, happens during the night, but the "Cyber Dragons" were still all shiny and polished, in grey tons, so I've got confused now. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:07, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Number 9
You never know when your opponent's gonna spring "Ancient Lamp" on you. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 16:02, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * XD. If I ever start playing again, I'm putting that card in my Deck. You know of any others that would let you do that? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:06, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think there are any others in the real world. "Mirror Force" seemed to work that way during the Weevil Duel, and "Roulette Spider" too I guess.
 * And "Attack Guidance Armor". --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 16:49, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Card Trivia: Zerozelock
Hi, Cheesedude; Sorry--I saw it noteworthy to denote that Yuma Tsukumo uses the card to preserve his "Ganbara Knight" on the Field, when this card features the aforementioned on the artwork. I mean, out of all the 0 ATK cards, the designers put "Ganbara Knight" on the card and ironically, said card is on the Field when this card was in play. Didn't mean any harm--I <3 adding/editing new specs to the site. :(--74.113.108.1 (talk) 23:32, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Deck help
Would you consider this to be a good or bad idea; a page like that for each Deck used by anime and manga characters apart from most once-off characters? It could also be affixed with links to those Deck gallery pages and possibly an item infobox. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:16, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like it quite a bit, though I'm not sure its really necessary. For Yugi's Deck, it makes sense, given the history the Deck has with his grandpa and everything. I'm not sure how much prose we could get out characters in general though.
 * Would it also help replace stuff in Category:Characters' Decks (whether through a link to this new style or overwriting it altogether)? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:20, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Lack of prose, I suppose would be a good idea to not use infoboxes for these pages. Otherwise there would be a lot of whitespace before the actual list. But I think it should be possible to get at least two paragraphs in the intro for most Decks.
 * I was thinking of replacing those pages entirely. I'm not too fond of them:
 * They look kind of awkward. I can't say I find them visually appealing.
 * When you're linked to a section, you get to the right section at first, but then all the show/hides collapse and you're left on the wrong part of the page.
 * When people add/remove cards without mentioning the section in their summary, it's difficult to see which Deck they are changing.
 * But things like each of Yugi's video game Decks are hardly worth articles of their own (or maybe they are). Another thing I've been thinking of doing is getting rid of those "Name in non-canon" pages. The Yu-Gi-Oh! R information can fit neatly in characters' manga biographies with the disputed canon notice. The same could be done with Capsule Monsters and Pyramid of Light in anime biographies, since neither of them seem to contradict canon, at least not intentionally (4Kids even consider Capsule Monsters to be part of season 5). That just leaves video games and the novel. "Name in non-canon" could then be renamed "Name (video games)" and hold all their video game information, including Decklists. Something else can be figured out for the novel.
 * So each character page would link to these Deck pages or, Decklists or do both if you prefer. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:55, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Replacing them is fine by me. I also think that anything mentioned in the prose then does not need a note in the table. I.E., the Exodia notes are unneeded, since the prose mentions Weevil destroying them. Note-spam in general is cut down with this table format, such as those for "this was a different kind of card in x". I do think its worth keeping a basic Decklist around for each Deck too though. Just a straight Decklist, no notes at all, maybe with a notice that more details can be found in the table if need-be. Might be best to bring this up in a forum discussion though; there's plenty of other editors working with the Deck pages at this point.
 * I have no problem with any of the non-canon changes you mentioned. All of it does fit well enough. Not sure where to put the novel stuff off the top of my head though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:03, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I might wait until we get the card article update rolling before bringing this up in the forum. There'll be less need for notes then and it might be possible to do a good deal of this automatically if we have SMW properties for the cards anime and manga info. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:20, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * That sounds good. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:55, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Attack and effect name
So, y'know our Attack name page is incomplete. I just found a list made by Ark including all damn attack and effect names, from all series and even from games and TCG/OCG, here. I don't know why I'm sending this to you (maybe because you probably know many people here?), but I don't know who to send it, so would you perhaps know someone with free time and will to complete our list based on that one? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:47, September 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know. He sent me the link to it over yahoo before posting that NAC thread. Thing is, I just find it very tedious to add them, so its not high on my list of priorities, since I'm not enjoying it. Any help would be appreciated for sure. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:38, September 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. So you were faster, uh? xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 14:30, September 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * In getting it there? Yes. In putting everything into the article? No. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:36, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Two Questions
1. Can you look at this please? http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_Terminal#Characters Do you think we should keep the images as they are, or shall I upload images of just the characters face? http://www.konami.jp/yugioh_dt/chara/index.html As seen there.

2. I think the signature and ace monster pages should be separated. Let's look at Yusei as an example. I'd say Speed Warrior, Junk Synchron, Quillbolt etc were signature cards (as he uses them a lot and is known for using them a lot), where as aces would be Stardust etc. What do you think? TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 14:32, September 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything wrong with keeping the images as they are.
 * That's a fair argument, and it would help alleviate some of the edit-warring on that page. I'd bring it up on the signature card talk page, see what others think. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:36, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Two notes
I have a message on the talk page of "Shield & Sword", but I need someone to respond to it so I can get this discrepancy I found out of the way
 * Another note I have is on the trailer for ZEXAL II. One of the parts of the trailer show Astral surrounded by the Number cards that Dr. Faker stole(I saw Number 83 and Number 9 in the trailer). This seems to imply that Yuma and Astral won back the Number cards that Dr. Faker stole from them and Vetrix. I can't be so sure how this is possible though since the actual episode that shows this scene didn't come out yet.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 23:00, October 1, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * It could be, but it could also be a flashback, since the background in the scene looked to be the Sphere Field (or something similiar). We'll find out in a week, I'm sure. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:28, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info dude ^^ - Augkl64 (talk • contribs) 02:01, October 2, 2012 (UTC)Augkl64

New Account
This is my new account If you want to talk to me. Spectertvx (talk • contribs) 02:28, October 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. I was going to ask you to comment here. You could also mention your account issue, Deltaneos may know how to go about reactivating it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:31, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, I'm fine with my new account. And I already talk to LegendaryAsariUgetsu about his question on neo ark cradle. Spectertvx (talk • contribs) 02:54, October 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. I believe there's a message for you on your old talk page. On that note, I'm going to give you your mover rights on this account. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:55, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thank You. Spectertvx (talk • contribs) 21:26, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Template
Should elements from the ZEXAL manga (including D Team) be added in the [http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL template] as well? If not, I guess we should make one for the ZEXAL manga, or just add a section in the main template with "manga elements" or something like that. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:05, October 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's not going to stretch the template too much, adding stuff there is fine. Otherwise, I think the manga is sufficiently different to warrant its own template. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:52, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * So, making a template solely for the manga is better? There aren't many elements to tell the truth, that's why I'm not sure. Some include Heartland Theme Park (from ZEXAL), Dueling Team and Duel Team Tournament (from D Team ZEXAL). Maybe adding them in the main template wouldn't be a bad idea, as the anime and the manga series take place in the same universe, and the elements of one aren't contradictory to the elements of the other. Although Mr. Heartland doesn't own a Theme Park in the anime, so again, I'm not sure. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:03, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * If there's not that many, I'd say expanding the current template is the better option. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:06, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * So, you think we should add everything together and mixed, or make a manga section in the template? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:44, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Make a manga section in the template. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:46, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I just noticed the terms from the manga were already added in the template, mixed with the others. So, as there's already a "Manga" section for the chapters and stuff, I just added "(manga)" after the manga-only terms. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:58, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Nitro Warrior's effect
I created an anime lore for "Nitro Warrior" because I noticed in the rulings that the effect of "Nitro Warrior" activates only when it's on the field. This was contradicted in this card's debut episode(this card's effect activated despite the fact that "Dash Pilfer" was activated before this card was summoned). I need to make sure it is properly correct to how it was shown in the anime, so can you check to make sure that the anime lore is correct?Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:27, October 5, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * It looks fine to me. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay because you see I changed it to 'Once during each of your turns, if you had activated a Spell Card this turn' because this card's effect in the anime appears to activate when a Spell card is activated on the current turn rather than when you activate a Spell Card while "Nitro Warrior" is present. Also it's optional because the effect didn't activate in the Duel with Leo despite the fact that Yusei activated "Card Rotator" this turn.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:54, October 5, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

Three notes relating to Toon World
These are a couple of discrepancies I found while watching the episodes. The first note is relating to the Duel between Kaiba and Pegasus. When "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" attacked "Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon", the latter dodged the attack. However Kaiba's "Blue-Eyes" didn't get destroyed despite having the same ATK as Pegasus' "Blue-Eyes". In Yugi's Duel with Pegasus, "Celtic Guardian" attacked "Toon Mermaid", but only "Celtic Guardian" was destroyed since it wasn't a Toon monster. This appears to imply that in Duelist Kingdom only, "Blue-Eyes" can't be destroyed by monsters that have the same ATK as it(this was hinted when Yugi Dueled against the Mimic of Doom).

Another note is the effect of "Toon World" itself. It says that if it is destroyed then all the monsters banished by that effect come back to the field. Problem is they, in Yugi and Pegasus' Duel, came back as they originally were, but those monsters were Tributed not banished as they were Tributed to summon their Toon Counterparts.

One final note is about "Mimicat". It had the same stats as "Summoned Skull", but since it was Tributed to summon "Toon Summoned Skull", it shouldn't have those stats anymore. This would imply that just for Duelist Kingdom, any card that is treated as another card retains being treated as that card while in the Graveyard. I would make note of the effects of "Mimicat" being negated by "Magical Neutralizing Force Field", but that point was in Duelist Kingdom, so I assume that, in Duelist Kingdom, Spells and Traps that are treated as monsters while on the field are not treated as Spells and Traps while on the field. Reply when possible.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 03:24, October 6, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * I would list that as an error, but there may be something in the Japanese dialogue that explains it. I don't know.
 * I don't think that the Toon monsters required Tributing or banishing the original counterpart at all. I believe it simply transforms the monster into a Toon; that's it. In fact, I don't think any Toon monster was shown in card form during Duelist Kingdom. In addition, was removing cards from play even a thing that existed in Duelist Kingdom? "Toon World" hides monsters, I don't think it banishes them (the closest real world term would be "can't be selected as an attack target, but I even find using that dubious).
 * Yeah, I think "it was Duelist Kingdom" is enough of an explanation for that point. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 09:20, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * So what should I do first. I don't think you gave an explanation for "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" yet. In a lot of episodes, monsters with the same ATK will be destroyed in a Double KO, but when "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" attacked "Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon", the latter dodged, but since Kaiba's "Blue-Eyes" had the same ATK it should have been destroyed. I think that would mean an anime lore for "Blue-Eyes", but I think it should say Duelist Kingdom only. As for Toons, it was just probably a made up ruling like other cards such as Machines and some other cards. They could just simply dodge attacks that would destroy them if the monsters attacking them are not Toons. As explained by Pegasus, he based this off of Funny Rabbit forever evading Ruff Ruff McDogg's bullets and the latter never succeeding in capturing Funny Bunny. Nice saying about the transforming, but I would assume that cards that become a duplicate of another card are treated as that card's type, therefore they don't apply to cards that destroy certain types (When "Mimicat" became a copy of "Summoned Skull", it probably remained treated as a Monster up until its destruction.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 14:40, October 6, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * I think that before doing anything, I'll ask Ryusui if he can tell use exactly what "Toon World" says. We can change lores accordingly (though the lores of the toon monsters need to be changed for sure). As for the BEWD vs. BETD issue, I don't have ideas, so do as you like. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:35, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, the image we have isn't clear enough to read. So first I'll ask someone if they can get a better image. I'll try too first, but I doubt I'll get one. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:38, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think we should document cards as having extra obscure effects to explain continuity errors. In the manga, where the inconsistency also occurs, during Dark Yugi and the Ventriloquist of the Dead's Duel, the ventriloquist said that the two "Blue-Eyes White Dragons" were going to destroy each other, before he knew that "Mystical Elf" was going to power up the one Dark Yugi had. So "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" did not have that effect.
 * The lore listed on the "Toon World" page is a fan interpretation. "Toon World" was only destroyed once in the anime before they changed it to make it more like the real world card. That time, all the Toonised monsters got destroyed with it, so I don't know where whoever wrote that got that idea that the monsters would be returned after "Toon World" got destroyed.
 * I think you're right that "Doppelganger" (Mimicat) was treated as a monster until its destruction.
 * At a glance it seems the animators were lazy with the lore for "Toon World" and just printed its real world effects. The lore for the "Toon World" used in Duelist Kingdom seems to be exact same as its original real world lore (Card Errata:Toon World). That translates to Pay 1000 Life Points to activate this card. Pay 500 Life Points during each of your Standby Phases. If you do not, this card is destroyed. When this card is sent from the field to the Graveyard, all Life Points paid for this card are restored., which wasn't how it worked in the anime.
 * The English manga lore is All the player's cards become "Toon" cards. This is a continuing effect. I can check the Japanese manga lore later, but I don't expect it do be much different. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:12, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * True, but that was in the manga. Not all events in the anime were the same as the manga(the Ventriloquist was replaced with the Mimic of Doom in the anime) as some of the events/Duels in the manga were altered when they were shown in the anime. Again it was about "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" attacking "Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon". Since they had equal ATK, both monsters should have been destroyed, however "Toon Dragon" was unaffected because "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" was not a Toon monster, but since Kaiba's "Blue-Eyes" had the same ATK, it should have been destroyed.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:28, October 7, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * That inconsistency existed in the manga too. "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" attacking "Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon" without being destroyed and "Celtic Guardian" attacking "Toon Mermaid" and being destroyed also happened in the manga. If we are to suggest rules to explain why it worked differently, a rule would be needed to explain it in the manga too. If there is one, it most likely also fits the anime, making it unlikely that the writers would come up with a separate one just for the anime.
 * While we sometimes have to make a certain amount of assumptions to explain some card effects, I think this one is too much of a guess and there's not much character dialogue to back it up. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:04, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

ZEXAL II
I Understand For Now Despite ZEXAL II is The 2nd Season

Summary doubt + Numbers doubt
So, first, the easy question. Technically, all "Numbers" have the "Cannot be destroyed by battle, except with another Number" effect, so all "Numbers" are Effect Monsters, despite of having or not other effects, right? Second. So, when writing a summary, which chronology should be used? For example, "Tetsuo tells him to calm down, reminding him that the future of the world is on their shoulders" or "Tetsuo told him to calm down, reminding him that the future of the world was on their shoulders"? I've always had this doubt, but never remembered of asking it away xD. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:30, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Right. What "Number" has no other effect though.
 * The former. Episode/chapter articles (and card appearances pages) are written in present tense. Bios are written in past tense. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:33, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Number 42: Starship Galaxy Tomahawk" and "Number 63: Shamoji Soldier" (actually "not yet revealed").
 * Oh, so different tenses are used for summaries and bios? I should be careful not to mistake them, then. :P Thanks. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:26, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Anginel
About that: The whole edit reason can't be read; you should probably extend the word limit. Mad Rest 12:13, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

RE:TCG/Anime differences
Oh, I see. That's much easier, indeed. Though, several episode/chapter articles have notes for that differences, including all chapters of the GX manga as an example. Should them be fixed? As I'm still reading/watching GX, I can fix those in the episode/chapter articles as I read/watch through. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:55, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Really. I myself was adding those in many articles. I guess we should add a sorta note or announcement or something like that to let people know.
 * By the way, any news about the discussion regarding making 2 galleries for cards? There hasn't been any other posts. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:40, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Unused images
Hey Cheesedude, I'm trying to help with the moving and tagging of unused images. Do we have any use for booster box images? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:00, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't see why we wouldn't put them on the booster pack pages, though keep in mind I've had zero involvement with how booster pack pages are formatted or created. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:02, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll ask Delta. Thanks. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:04, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure, and thanks for helping to go through them. It's staggering how many images were uploaded and that not used (or replaced and then left hanging). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:07, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw your cry for help the other day. I've had my eye on that page for a while, but didn't do anything sooner since a lot of them need to be tagged for deletion, which is a bit tiresome. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:13, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Crashsnake's recent return
This user has gotten back online since July. He has deleted some things that I have found proof in in episodes for reasons I don't know why. He appears to have partially read the Manual of Style because he wrote Ritual Summon in all lowercase letters instead of writing the r and s in capital letters(which was somewhat of a problem he had done previously). He doesn't appear to listen a lot of the advice messages, so I think we should block him. However this is what I think for the moment right now. Reply when you can!Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 15:23, October 14, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

BF Dragon's manga name
Would you mind taking a look at here, please? I guess you know what to do in cases like that. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:56, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Uh.
Based on "The episode didn't call him Vector", I went through the contributions section for those edits and reverted anything that was related to those episodes. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:03, October 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Which is why I didn't revert the one at Portal:Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL anime characters.
 * Well, it'd be more consistent if a section talks about a scene in that episode, and it uses the same terms used in that episode. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:16, October 19, 2012 (UTC)