Forum:September 2008 Lists

The new OCG Lists have been published, see our article September 2008 Lists. Not yet confirmed for the TCG. though, but the list is expected to be synced yet again. Discuss how you found the list, and what it does for you!--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 15:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I expected DAD and Judgment Dragon, but I'm surprised that Premature Burial is Forbidden...Limiting Cyber Dragon makes Cyber decks nearly impossible to play now...but they didn't do anything about GB's!!! Bluedog 17:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

'''*People!.premature got banned beacause of arms hole because in the OCG metagame they will use arms hole to easily search premature then maybe discarding DMoC then revive him then get back arms hole again for premature later.thats all and theres the matter of the Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Boundary loop between premature with spell economics and card of safe return.The reason monster reborn didnt get banned because in the TCG metagame people rely on their graveyards for their decks to releash its potential,always using foolish burial etc. dumping monsters for effects so if monster reborn comebacked players would think twice before dumping anything in the graveyard or they will lose advantage....are you getting all of this? User:FireBender999


 * Why did they banned my DMoC =( Breaker coming back is at least some good news for my spellcaster deck. Why did they banned Premature and not Monster Reborn, that will always be a mystery. Reasoning limit just slowed down my Synchro deck a lot. Cyber Dragon limit not a big deal now that there is The Tricky. I was shocked to seem DaD and JD on semi limit, little more direct then usually. At least I only need one more JD now XD. Hopefully Test Tiger will get limited for TCG List. Bio 17:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * THEY DIDN'T TOUCH THE GLADIATOR BEASTS!!! WTF??? I understand DAD and JD, but the fact that they didn't do anything about the GBs is absolutely ludicrous. Banning Premature and keeping Monster Reborn isn't too bad, but I honestly thought it would be the other way around.  Bringing back Breaker is good for spellcasters, but banning DMoC was a little bit of a surprise to me.  I really hope Gyzarus is banned in the TCG, or we're all going to see an influx of only GBs at tournaments soon enough. Subcontinental86 17:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think Gladiator Beasts will be the new Dominating Format, although Lightsworns still seem quite powerful.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 18:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Seriously, why DMoC? This severely cripples my Spellcaster deck and even my DAD deck. Well DAD should have been semi-limited, as well as JD. Heck, I still think JD should be major limited, but whatever. At least Royal Decree is back at 3, I might add another one to my Spellcaster deck. I'll wait off on trading for some Test Tiger until I see the TCG list. BTW, GB's are already dominating the tournaments so maybe Gyzarus should be limited as well. Animedude3000 18:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Premature banned is because of Arms Hole. That card makes PB easily abusable, more than Monster Reborn. I was surprised, however, that Cyber Dragon got limited(probably cause of Synchros) yet Destiny Hero - Malicious got unlimited, and also that CCV wasnt touched(i think it isnt so much overused in the OCG, is it?). For GB, lets hope they do something about Test Tiger when the list comes to TCG.--Teba64 18:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Arms Hole is a very good reason to ban Premature Burial. Also without Disk Commander Monster Reborn is a bit less powerful. Cyber Dragon is very good for synchros I know, but The Tricky can be just as good. Test Tiger still isn’t out in Japan so they can’t put on there ban list. I wouldn’t be surprised if other TCG Exclusive Cards got on list besides Test Tiger. Probably a good idea to try and get some Breakers while they are still cheap, since once it is officially unbanned they going to rise a lot probably (again XD). DMoC was a bit too strong since Monster Reborn is back, so I expected him to get banned (still annoying). Bio 19:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't rule out Gladiator Beasts taking a hit just yet, Test Tiger wasn't listed in Japan because it's not officially out there yet, but is still feasible for a TCG Limitation.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 20:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * AARHG i feal like bombing konami for BANNING DMOC. After years and years of trying to get one i finnaly had it and now they banned it. They have gone crazy....--Romanovajax 21:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Banning DMoC was long overdue, it and Disk Commander being banned makes Monster Reborn near-useless now.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why cydra should be limited. In fact, it should be unlimited. No sjcs top decks play it any more.


 * ... And now my DDT is unplayable... when I saw DMoC and Disk Commander in the list I was really sad... well, they limited Breaker and that's good... Reasoning limited, no problem with me, I don't have it... Cyber Dragon limited, got only one... Premature Burial banned... less revival cards... Monster Gate limited, Konami hate DDT so much?... DAD and JD semi-limited? What about Gyzarus and Bestiari?... I hope UDE will hit GB... --Rein Weiss Ritter 08:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

DMOC+Premature Burial being banned = bad. Breaker coming back = good. I made a nice combo with DMOC and Dedication through Light and Darkness but now I can't. I want DMOC back. --EgyptianGods 18:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Limiting Reasoning and Monster Gate just killed Magical Explosion FTK decks, but what fun are those decks anyways? lol I feel bad for Six Samurai owners though. Eminentjonfrost 13:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Cyber Dragon worked amazing for Synchros. Thats probably why it is Limited. You could Special Summon Cyber Dragon then Normal Summopn a level 3 tuner and get any level 8 synchro you wanted.


 * Not that there are very many 8-star Synchros in the TCG yet. They must have been prepared for these changes the second the Synchros first came out in the OCG. Rogueduelist89 17:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I, like many of you, am severly IRKED that Dark Magician of Chaos is now banned. Sure, we'll se more of Breaker and less of Cyber Dragon, but is that really worth it? Chaos Mage was one of my best, and now these losers at Konami/Upperdeck/wherever these slave lists are being generated tell me I can't use it anymore! ARRRRGGHH!!! Rogueduelist89 17:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Premature was banned less for Arms Hole, and more for Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Boundary.

Spell Economics + CoSR equaled infinte SS from grave.

September 2008 Ban List
Man some people at Konami really messed up this time I mean not doing anything about Gladiator Beasts I mean come on.

Dark Magician of Chaos is a tragic thing, that was one of my best cards in my deck, Breaker is good but not nearly enough to make up.

What is the deal with Premature Burial that sucks.

It is good that they done something with CCV

well there is a new wave of synchros and psychic coming in, and might beat GB's i mean come on that stardust dragon has a nasty effect and also mental sphere archfiend

I think we have a consensus here about the Sept 08 List that DMoC is a huge loss (especially to my Rainbow Dark OTK) and that Gladiators are unfair because they were untouched. I mean they should AT LEAST limit Gyzarus or Test Tiger. Gladiators are the new dominating decks now and its going to get boring playing against 3 million Gladiator decks. DAD and Judgement I understand, especially Judgement for it is easier to bring him out. Monster Gate was a kick in my teeth for me and also Reasoning. Other than that I am happy about Breaker coming back (I never traded away my MFC Breaker =) hehe). -Maykite

Seriously
People, people! Stop complaining about Test Tiger. The only reason it isn't on the list is because it hasn't been released in Japan, and this is the JAPAN list, so I'm sure it'll get limited or something when the list is announced...in America. Bluedog 05:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

dude, this new list is crazy
dude! i am so pissed. aside from breakers return, spell caster decks seem to be even more ruined! dmoc! oh no! my dmoc! i just bought a pack of gold series like one or two months ago, got a dmoc, was really happy, and now its banned! now thats sad. i am also curious why prem burial got banned and not reborn, though i did saw some awesome combos. and yes, it is crazy that theres nothing to stop gb from dominating the game. 58.136.206.175 12:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

The reason that Premature Burial is banned and not Monster Reborn is because it the Japaneses list and they already have Arms Hole which we don't.Skavinger 15:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess Destiny Hero - Disk Commander was just too easily abused, but man that is going to put a severe problem in Destiny Hero decks. They got rid of most of the common revival cards but they still left in Monster Reborn, that's just...odd. Breaker keeps flip-flopping on the Banlist. Still, above all, I'm not too worried, because nothing every stays the same. Jinzo got Limited, now he's all the way back to Unlimited and even has upgraded forms! They'll keep tweaking everything. The reason why none of the Gladiator Beast cards have been Limited yet is because they all have access to each other--if you have even one in your deck, you can get it out no problem, so Limiting them wouldn't reduce their effectiveness much. Speedball 00:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Japan didn't touch gladiators because they arn't winning the OCG like they are in the TCG. My guess is upper deck will just either ban or limit test tiger which will eliminate a key card for the deck as drawing a test tiger can change duel in favour of the gladiators very easily as I used to run them. DMOC is a bit of a hit for my DAD deck but it doesn't absolutly need it, I will just replace Breaker for it.

so good
so nice for that! but how is that they dont touch GB cards?! so unfair.....124.105.37.149 10:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Props to Konami
For banning Premature Burial. It was one of the most problematic cards last (technically this) format in the OCG. At least it shows that Konami has some idea of what to do. --Pizzaman 17:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd say Limiting Arms Hole makes the Premature Burial-Brionac loop a lot harder to pull off.

I'm surprised by the Semi-Limited status of DAD and Judgment Dragon; I was expecting DAD to be Limited and Judgment Dragon not to be Limited but it looks like the Japanese are afraid of Judgment Dragon's powerful effect.

I'm completely surprised by how Gyzarus is untouched.

I Had a brief understanding of why Call of the Haunted was Forbidden, I mean you can use it during your opponents turn and no cost. But Why the Hell Make Premature Forbidden, It was one of the best reborning cards and It literally had no reason to be forbidden, I mean the worst I've seen with it is a first turn 3900 LP combo with Fire Trooper and Monster Reborn. And another thing, Why Make Premature Forbidden if you just going to keep monster reborn, No Cost, And either players Graveyard. Bullcrap

Cyber Dragon... Limited? What is that! It being semi-limited was no good at all either. But now, you can't even get Cyber End with Super Polymerization! But, true, he is awfully good for synchros. Cyber Dragon+Dark Resanator=Any lv 8 synchro on your first turn. And, we can also blame Cyber Dragons semi-limiting on Big Piece Golem. And Premature Burial? Come on! And I see Call of the Haunted is still down for forbidden. But, good news, Royal Decree is back at 3. Though I never used one, I was thinking about it. Nevertheless, this new list is awful.


 * Ok, people I'm here to answer questions and give my option, Cyber Dragon is limited because of lightsworns, limiting Test Tiger is not going to hurt Gladiator Beasts banning Gladiator Beast Gyzarus is going to hurt Gladiator Beasts, semi-limiting Judgment Dragon is not going to do anything because of Monster Reincarnation, and I think that Gladiator Beasts will be on the next banned list aftar this one, Dark Armed Dragon should not be semi-limited, it should stay at three, Dark Magician of Chaos is just broken and so is Destiny Hero - Disk Commander, I'm happy Breaker the Magical Warrior is coming back it will be fun. Dragon of chaos 03:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * People saying that Prem is an OK card have no idea of the actual Brionac loop. And remember, it's the actual card that makes it broken, not the support. Arms Hole is a perfectly balanced card without Prem. --Pizzaman 04:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I for one think that they shouldn't even ban gyzarus, there's ways to stop it from summoning besides Stardust dragon has a freakin awesome effect too, so people stop freakin complaining. Note what you all say is just your own opinion, doesn't mean it will happen

I dont believe my eyes, Dark Magician of Chaos is forbidden and Premature Burial also, while Monster Reborn is yet limited.

But even more absurd is the Royal Decree unlimited, I believed that it was limited!!

Therefore I think that the list is completely wrong!!!


 * Monster Reborn is still Limited because it is more fair than Premature Burial. It gives your opponent the chance to make a comeback late in the game by grabbing on of your stronger monsters.


 * This isn't our list... it's similar but.... we may find that Premature isn't forbidden on ours...--Tantara 12:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

A reasonable list
'''Note: This is just my opinion. You can comment it if you want."

First of all, I was a bit sad to see Premature Burial banned but now I realized why. Konami understands that there are too many revival cards that can be used. Call of the Haunted and Premature burial are one of the famous ones. However, as many people have said, Premature Burial was banned due to Arms Hole. Arms Hole is a card that has very limited side effects if used properly (discarding cards that were useful and get Premature Burial later to summon the discarded one. If the card on the top of the deck was a monster, it will produce a great effect.) Arms Hole can also get Equip Spells from the Graveyard too, making Premature Burial very reusable. Also, DDR should be banned as it is a revival equip card (Arms Hole can be used with it too). What if you use a remove deck and revive removed cards?

Due to the fact that there are less revival cards, Disk Guy should still be banned due to Angel's Lift. Three Angel's Lift can keep on reviving Disk Guy. Therefore it is banned.

DMOC? If DMOC is not banned then Saint Magician shouldn't be too. Konami did the right thing as DMOC has strong combos, attack and effect. Use it with DDR, it is definitely a strong card. It is great that DMOC is banned.

As for DAD and JD, these cards are supposed to be Semi-limited cause of the effect, not the summoning conditions. They can somehow become limited if they are too strong but they are not as bad as Cyber Dragon, which is one of the cards that shouldn't exist and I am happy that it is limited.

GB are truely monsters that shouldn't exists. They are all strong in effects and attack. I think that all GBs shouldn't be created in the first place. All GBs should be banned.

Crystal Beasts are unbelievably strong but I think Crystal Abundance should be banned as it has almost no side effects and can OTK the opponent easily.

Good news for people with Spellcasters, Breaker is back and it will be very annoying for sure.


 * Thanks for your opinion, just one thing about Glad beast if they ban Gladiator Beast Gyzarus Glads will be much harder to run, just think about it. -- Dragon of chaos 00:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If they don't ban Gyzarus, limiting Gladiator Beast Bestiari would help a lot. Honestly I've never really had a problem with Test Tiger, but I guess the rest of you have.  They at least need to do something so that GBs aren't the only viable tournament winning deck. Subcontinental86 00:30, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * They should limit Elemental Hero Prisma to. -- Dragon of chaos 03:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Objection to the point on Crystal Abundance. If your opponent knows what's coming, he'll save his Solemn for Abundance, which is definitely gonna show up. Since the sending of 4 beasts to the grave is the cost, just negating Abundance will basically put the Crystal Beast player back at square one with an empty backfield, lest they have the resources needed to reload their crystals. --Gadjiltron 05:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

TCG LIST
The official TCG list is up >> http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/news/strategy.aspx?aid=4658

Skavinger 03:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I only did a quick scan, but it looks like it's the exact same as the OCG list. Meaning that GBs are completely untouched.  Boo.  Subcontinental86 03:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Man did they screw up with the TCG list. It's the same freakin' thing as the OCG list! They didn't do a d*** thing about the GB's! Bluedog 03:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * They seriously didn't even touch GB's. Yet, they get rid of DMoC. I am very angry right now. Very, very angry. And somebody tell me why Breaker is broken. He's not even close to being broken. Animedude3000 03:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe that Yugimon-chairmanz0rz plays Gladiator Beasts. LoL. What a loser. Chris427 04:09, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh my god, can you people please stop complaining about Glad beast It's getting really annoying, I don't like being beat, but seriously stop winning. -- Dragon of chaos 14:59, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Does this list take effect immediately, or does it take effect September 1st?Goku9821 22:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It takes effect September 1st. -- Dragon of chaos 00:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes Allure of Darkness is back at 3.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm fucking pissed with this ban list. Konami has gone WAY OVER this time! By WAY OVER, I mean, so fucking bad with deciding what cards to put on the ban list. Why the fuck aren't they banning GB's?! They're so fucking broken now that everyone's playing with them. How many fucking duelists are out there who don't play with GB's? Not a lot, I'll tell you that right now. I swear, if the next ban list comes out and they ban....fucking.....I don't know......something that will kill decks, I fucking swear, I will fucking DESTROY KONAMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That will teach them a FUCKING lesson on what and what not to ban. If you want to hear more of my rage, by all means, contact me. Haou 02:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)Haou


 * Haou, watch your mouth!! and shut the hell up about gladiator beasts for Gods sake people like you are so annoying. -- Dragon of chaos 03:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

NO! YOU WANNA SEE THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THEN BE MY GUEST! WHEN YOU SEE YOUR OWN STRATEGY BEING USED AGAINST YOU AND YOU LOSE BECAUSE OF IT, I'LL BE THERE, LAUGHING, YOU HEAR ME?! THE DAY WHEN THE SAME SHIT IS SEEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS THE DAY YUGIOH HAS OFFICIALLY BECOME THE MOST SHITTY GAME TO PLAY!


 * Haou, we love your lovely rantings but Shut Up. I do agree though... If you look at the Metagame, DAD and Lightsworns are seeing a teensy bit more play than GBeasts, so they weakened the top 2 decks and left the third to rule the world. And GBeasts are ruling it... very effectively...            Oh! Has anyone told Chris that Premature Burial is forbidden?--Tantara 21:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Remember this is only the OCG list so you don't really know what the TCG list will be in the US. Usually it pretty much follows the OCG though.


 * Um, this part of the forum is about the TCG lists, we've all seen 'em, and we've all complained about GB's. Bluedog 00:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Is the worst list of all is stupid because you can´t play with 1 cyber dragon in the cyber dragon deck!!!!!!!!!!!!

really annoyed right now.
i had a cyber dragon deck and i payed bout 15 bucks for 3 cyber dragons but now finding out that cyber is limited cuz of synchros my cyber deck is useless its trash i might as well throw it out lol and im curious why they didnt limit foolish burial i mean its great in DAD, destiny hero, decoy dragon decks etc. and im really pissed at that they banned disk commander i was planning on putting him in my destiny hero deck/dark deck from my side deck but hes banned... but malicious is back to 3 good for synchros cuz hes lvl 5 and u can special summon him but banning dmoc is crap.


 * Lets just hope Synchro will stop GB or that a new version of Transmigration Break comes out that works from field to deck XD Lets also hope Retiari is horrible, last thing GB need is more good cards. Bio 03:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

GBs did just get more good cards in The Duelist Genesis such as the war chariot. You just need to side deck properly against them such as Bottomless Trap Holes, Jutitsu Masters and prohibitions. Nothing is better than when you prohibition their Bestiari and they can't contact fuse.

Death of the Cyber Decks
I have only recently in the past few months run a Cyber Dragon Deck. Now with the Limitation of Cyber Dragon I can only dismantal it and use the cards else where...... Yeah right. I will continue to use Cyber Dragon even if it is just 1 to a deck. I'm going to start a petition online to make Cyber Dragon either unlimited or back down to semi-limited. Please join me. I will post a link on this page at a later date when i have started the petition. Thanks x

http://www.gopetition.com/online/21496.html Sign the petition now and get back Cyber Dragon's!

Most of these made sense (except cyber dragon). Forbidden DMOC's gone because it abuses monster reborn- foolish DMOC then reborn it and another monster. Disk goes coz its easier to get rid of that than Reborn and Limit Reverse which aren't that bad without disk. Premature Burial was a surprise until I found out about arms hole. Limited The limit on Breaker was not surprising- its switched each format now for the last two years). The only reason I can see Cyber going to one is coz of syncros- first turn cyber and junk syncron= Stardust or Red Archfiend Dragon. Limiting Monster Gate and Reasoning means Sam's are slower and so are Zombies. Semi-Limited DAD and JD make sense- putting them to one slows rather than hampers the decks which is okay- Also only means I need to clear two instead of three now which gives people a fighting chance. Phantom of Chaos wasn't much of a surprise- there's some much utility in DAD decks for this card keeping it at three is asking for trouble. Rescue Cat- I guess this is to kick down the speed on GB getting test tiger more than anyting. Card of Safe Return is due to the Zombie revival cards in the newer sets I should think. Chain Strike is probaly at two coz restricting it to one killed the deck and with DAD, GB and Lightsworn, there are now more same tier decks as that once was (GB decks would probably squash chain stike decks though). Nobleman bounces around the lists like breaker so no big reasons behind this (prehaps the wider use of Riko is a reason). Unlimiteds Allure coming off the lists won't do too much damage- no dim fusion and return at one means packing other return cards (and without DMOC people might not be too inclined to do that). D-Hero Malicious won't be too much of a problem- people might get an extra tribute if they don't pull two in the opening hand. LAD? Well we've got GB now and this isn't much different (weaker IMO without disk). Mage Power- anyone seen anyone use this in tournys in the last 5 years? ROTA is a straight up one-for-one and useless in late games in decks that aren't Sam. Royal Decree? Well Jinzo's at three so why not this as well?

People are raging about GB's not getting hit. Why? Use a Divine Wrath or Bottomless on Gyzarus and they're screwed. Limiting the fusions does next to no good coz they only need one of each. Limiting the material is a waste since if you play right they aren't a problem- Stardust owns against GB.

Gotta agree with u.

The reason for limiting Rescue Cat is X-Saber Airbellum you can instantly get Goyo Guardian to the field first turn.Skavinger 15:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Rescue Cat is more because of Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Boundary than Goyo Guardian.Rescue Cat>get two beasts(1 tuner)>synchro Brionac>bounce all opponents cards>premature cat>bounce premature>cat gets more beasts(you can synchro another monster)>rinse and repeat. As for Cyber Dragon, I thought the same thing. But then, why are they releasing Vice Dragon, which is the same thing and is also CCV target? The only motive I see now is the Future Fusion+Jinzo - Returner.--Teba64 18:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I've been a live witness to the Brionac Premature Burial abuse. The Premature Burial was constantly reused to re-summon Disk Commander, drawing 2 new cards and essentially replacing for the cost from Brionac. Never before have I seen that card used for over 5 times in a SINGLE turn.

As for Cyber Dragon, it's largely due to Synchro abuse. Cyber Dragon + any level 3 Tuner = instant Stardust/Red Archfiend Dragon. Of course, they don't want to entirely kill off the Cyber Fusions so they just limited it. Then again, doing so roughly did the exact same thing.

Card of Safe Return, Monster Gate, and Reasoning all got hit because they knew of the Graveyard-based decks running around. Especially plant decks, with their new toy Gigaplant and the Crossroads of Chaos cards. Though DD tends to take care of those, they've introduced Royal Impregnable Fortress, the bane of the DD decks. So they had to come up with other means to counter the Graveyard reliance.

About Gladiator Beasts, did anyone realize that milling can utterly DESTROY them? The Chains archetype gave that a serious boost. Who cares if it'll thin their deck if it hits the cards they need? Now to look for those elusive Needle Worms... Furthermore, Test Tiger and the likes haven't hit Konami yet. Chances are they will in some of the TCG card packs, and then Konami's going to do something about them, given the state in the US.

EDIT: They didn't touch Test Tiger in the TCG list? Then it's UDE's fault here.--Gadjiltron 05:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH GB?
what the hell? It's GB's fault that make E-HEROES suffer! What about prisma?


 * Congratulations! You're the one-millionth person to complain about the Gladiatior Beasts!!! (I was the 187th person) Bluedog 02:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hemmm... I wonder...
I can't stand it anymore! Why does konami never gives the GBs ban? Not even semi limit? What do you think? Is it true that the chairman of konami uses gb deck?


 * Hey, hey. Don't blame Konami. Blame the one that created Test Tiger, it is one of the things that helps make the GB deck go round. As far as I know, Test Tiger has not reached Japan, so GBs most likely haven't reached a gamebreaking stage. Test Tiger was in the TCG, where the GBs have reached their current state. Similarly, Prisma in Japan doesn't seem to be too common, being an ADDR promo card. Obviously the Duelist Pack Collections are a little more common than ADDR, so now you do the math, and figure out where the finger should be pointed. --Gadjiltron 11:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

U're right...
UDE sucks...

U're right...
UDE sucks...

U're right...
UDE sucks...

Gladiator Beasts are crap now, my syncro dad deck always beats them. Thats why they didn't touch on the ban list. Syncros are way better.
 * Not sure if you saw this yet, but Gladiator Beasts won out over DAD Teleport in the Baltimore SJC today. Glads are certainly having a lot of trouble against them, but with cards like Gladiator Beast War Chariot they stand a much better chance. Sub 17:54, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

prem burial banned
this is because firstly the fact kuras the light monarch can be special summoned destroying its self and prem burial drawing 2 cards for 800LP and new card from cross roads of chaos it serches/adds an equipt spell from deck/greave so thats 4 prem burials from a match....not good for some ppl

hurting GB's
simple summon light and darkness dragon  its allowed in 3's and 3 maliciouses and treebourn frog helps =]

Cydra not dead yet...
Even with only one Cydra, my Cydra fusion deck is fast and killing. You just have to build it right... and you can't use the Cydra upgrades, just the fusions.

Still hope against GBs
Don't forget that if you summon thought ruler archfiend or stardust dragon against Gladiators you pretty much kill there trump card and the only monster that can really do anything about it is heraklinos who they probably won't be able to summon. Monarch1 01:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Why Cyber Dragon
Alright, seriously, I understand limiting cyber draogn to 2 becuase he's mianly used as a staple, but why punish people like me who actually want him for a cyber dragon deck? Seriously, I thought limiting him to 2 copies was enough, but now they've killed cyber dragon decks, leaving only cyber-roid and cyberdark/cyberdragon decks to work with. They've pretty much killed cyber end dragon in this process as well, becuase chimeratech overdragon is a much better card ti use with only 1 cyber dragon allowed. Proto-cyber dragon's cannot make a replacement for cyber dragon this well, there just too weak. ~Roiben Ryu

Synchros have hit the field. That makes Cyber Dragon so much more abusable. Empty field? Cyber Dragon, followed up with a LV3 Tuner, and you have an instant Stardust/any other LV8 Synchro rather effortlessly. Cyber Dragon now sees more use with the Synchros in the game. --Gadjiltron 05:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but synchro's are easier to deal with than people think. Use lightning vortex on stardust dragon and then when it uses it's effect, use divine wrath, and, bang, stardust dragon dealt with. Remove it from play, return it to the extra deck. That is seriously no reason to kill the cyber dragon deck theme. ~Roiben Ryu
 * I'm not a huge fan of the "X is easy to get rid of just use Y card" argument. Honestly, limiting Cyber Dragon solves more problems than it creates.  With the Tricky in play, we pretty much have another Cyber Dragon (I realize it doesn't fit the Cyber Dragon theme, but CD would pretty much be the best way to summon Synchros in today's game).  Do you really want essentially 5 Cyber Dragons (2 CDs + 3 Tricky) in a Synchro deck?  Do you realize how much abuse that would get in today's game?  It's possible that we could get 2-3 Synchros out on the first turn, and pretty much lock down the opponent.  -- Sub 17:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * But then, why are they limiting CyDra while they are going to release this card??--Teba64 17:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Because you need to discard a card to special summon The Tricky. Cyber Dragon you could just plop down and throw another monster for a synchro. -- Sub 18:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I was not talking about The Tricky (which is far less powerful than CyDra). I was talking about the card in the link on my last message.--Teba64 18:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops I didn't see that link. That will probably be limited in the next round of Ban/Limit List. -- Sub 18:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)