Forum:Machina Fortress + Returner Again...

Alright... after a few minutes of researching through the forums, I still have major questions regarding this ruling... (please forgive me i'm trying my best to quell my ignorance to better myself as a player) 1) Konami ruled that Machina Fortress does not start a Chain Link. If so, Jinzo Returner's effect should still apply and does miss timing. (cost effects should still apply) Here is my idea: ss fortress1 by discarding itself and jinzo to grave ss fortress2 by discarding itself and returner to grave. since jinzo is already in the grave, returner's discard cost effect applies and starts a chain to ss jinzo then machina (no chained) continues timing and ss itself

2) If Machina Fortress is ALREADY in the grave, and I discard jinzo + returner to ss from the grave, shouldnt returner's cost effect apply and ss jinzo (similar to scenario given in question 1)

Please be gentle because this my first time (pun intended)

Xwintermilk (talk • contribs) 10:02, May 28, 2012 (UTC)