User talk:Deltaneos

The Organization
Hello. I am NeoArkadia from the Neo Ark Cradle forum. The Organization would like you to join us over at Duelist Groundz. NeoArkadia (talk • contribs) 17:28, June 29, 2012 (UTC) NeoArkadia (June 29th, 2012)


 * Heh, that sounds so sinister... =D (also, welcome to the wiki, Neo!) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:40, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * We bring cookies. NeoArkadia (talk • contribs) 17:28, June 29, 2012 (UTC) NeoArkadia (June 29th, 2012)


 * Hi and thanks for the offer. I've registered on DuelistGroundz. My username is the same as it is here. But I'm getting permission errors whenever I try to view a thread. I don't even get those errors while logged out. I've followed the account validation instructions a few times. It says I've successfully validated the account each time, but I still get the errors. Any idea what I may be doing wrong? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:47, June 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * You should inquire with the staff. I can try asking Atem about it. • contribs) 17:28, July 6th, 2012 (UTC) NeoArkadia (July 6th, 2012)


 * He emailed me yesterday. It's sorted out now. I'll see about replying on that thread soon. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:33, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Atem's getting a bit antsy. =D Have you not been able to find time to swing by or something? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:45, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

G5 Duel Puzzle names
第1問　：　「バトルフェイズにはいるまえに　（バトルフェイズに入る前に）」 第2問　：　「モンスターをゆうごうするには？ （モンスターを融合するには？）」 第3問　：　「ぎしきにひつようなもの （儀式に必要なもの）」 第4問　：　「しょうかんするべきモンスター （召喚するべきモンスター）」 第5問　：　「これをいけにえにしょうかん！！ （これを生け贄に召喚！！）」 第6問　：　「いじげんへのいざない （異次元への誘い）」 第7問　：　「これじゃこうげきはふせげない！ （これじゃ攻撃は防げない！）」 第8問　：　「３０００たい３０００ （３０００対３０００）」 第9問　：　「ペンギンだいらんせん （ペンギン大乱戦）」 第10問　：　「いま！ふっかつのとき （今！復活の時）」 第11問　：　「けっそくのちから！！ （結束の力！！）」 第12問　：　「あせらずじっくりと… （焦らずじっくりと…）」 第13問　：　「トランスフォーム・フィールド」 第14問　：　「こうレベルモンスターをしょうかん （高レベルモンスターを召喚）」 第15問　：　「しょうかんするのはコレだ！ （召喚するのはコレだ！）」 第16問　：　「けっそく！ゼラをたおせ （結束！ゼラを倒せ）」 第17問　：　「こころがわりなモンスター （心変わりなモンスター）」 第18問　：　「ししゃのいちげき！ （死者の一撃！）」 第19問　：　「ししゃにささげるいけにえ （死者に捧げる生け贄）」 第20問　：　「うらからおもてになったとき （裏から表になった時）」 第21問　：　「ふうじられたらおてあげです （封じられたらお手上げです）」 第22問　：　「ふうじられたらほんとうにおてあげ！ （封じられたら本当にお手上げ！）」 第23問　：　「パワーアップしてますか？」 第24問　：　「ダイヤをくだきてきをもくだけ！！ （ダイヤを砕き敵をも砕け！！）」 -- III (talk • contribs) 19:38, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Giganto R/Minerva
I look through the lineart and can't found anything that resemble Carly's Duel Runner expect for Giganto L. The only solution I got, is to ask Katsumi Ono on his Twitter account like how we got Trinidart Ouroboros's name. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 19:30, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

About LaserGhost
Hey, Delta. Sup? Laser is cursing and...yeah, he becomes crazy because of his Xyz Zombie. "LaserGhost fuck u all who run xyzombies other than me your decks still suck i am perfect so fuck you all i can bea ya anytime oh and btw fuck u all bitches" Barcibal (talk • contribs) 11:56, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

True--LaserGhost (talk • contribs) 11:59, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yo Del, just stopping by to say that Nexus is a bitch who bans without giving warnings and abuses multiple accounts without taking any consequences. So, BYE!-- Let the Number take hold! 19:10, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Offense talk in chat
Reporting offense talk in chat by users http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:The_Play_Boy_X and http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:LaserGhost http://i.imgur.com/EhwF8.png That is the screen shot i took of the offense talk.

--Oneforseven (talk • contribs) 11:31, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

delta please do something about laserghost. he is saying things like "there u go now fucking change your name or else i keep calling u borg/cyborg >:D " and other stuff and u can ask daughter and she can prove he said that. thanks delta Mike Borg 12:28, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

now he has added to it. "Daugther-of-the-Devil:So Laser, could you please stop with annoying Mike and others?" "LaserGhost:others k mike no >:D" "lol borg u gave me headache and what are u anyway? nobody" please stop him or i cant guarentee anything. Mike Borg 12:38, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

The above is true but if you want to hear explanations here you go:Playboy talked about my parents and thats a red line for me, the other things against mike borg is that she is acting bossy in the chat and i cant take it(she is saying or i won't guarantee anything and she cant do anything). also they take words to seriously and they reported me because i said i will...but never did. and actually i didnt do anything wrong in my conversation with borg exept tell her to stop acting bossy in somehow hard way and i told her to change her name using the page i linked her.if you want to hear more then just tell me at my talk page, if not then thank you right there.I dont fear being banned from the chat and im not gonna kiss anybody's feet so i won't get banned, i was simply explaining my behaviour so if you accept it, fine if you dont, then its still fine.--LaserGhost (talk • contribs) 12:54, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Block request
Please could you block this user. He has been vandalising pages. Super Sponge!! (Talk)(About me) 18:56, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

February 2003 lists
Hey Delt, here's hoping you know something about the old Forbidden/Limited lists: do you have any idea what's up with the February 2003 Lists? As far as I can tell, all additions and changes made in this list were reversed in the subsequent list. The source for this list is the same as the source I found for the May 2002 Lists, which match up with the originally posted list, though unfortunately that source has disappeared since the last time I looked. The other list pages I've created/updated all use Wayback archives of UDE's old list page.

My current theory, since the source used otherwise agreed with UDE's lists, is that this list was actually for Europe or Oceania (or some other non-NA region), but I don't have any way to prove or disprove this.

While I'm at it, you wouldn't happen to know of any sources for the old OCG lists, would you? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:25, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm, you know how to make a guy feel old.
 * In North America", "Sinister Serpent" and "Harpie's Feather Duster" were Stairway to the Destined Duel promotional cards, released April 2003. In Europe they were released in 2004 as World Championship 2004 promotional cards. The OCG got them much sooner.
 * "Graceful Charity" was released in the TCG with Starter Deck: Pegasus, which we've listed as being released on March 30, 2003. The OCG also got it sooner.
 * It looks to me like the February 2003 Lists are for the OCG, which had those cards and the April 2003 Lists are for the TCG, which didn't have those cards. (It's a lot more likely than them deciding to unlimit "Harpie's Feather Duster" and "Sinister Serpent"; two long term residents at 1 and 0.) The OCG and TCG used to use different Forbidden and Limited Lists, where some cards would have different status, even if they were released in both regions. That would explain why some of the other cards are different. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:04, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually don't remember where the source for these was. It is entirely possible the early ones are OCG list.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 17:35, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've sourced all of them except the May '02 and Feb '03 lists to UDE's old site, so those ones are definitely the TCG lists.
 * Also, as a general note (I probably should have said this earlier): don't trust what I've written in the ledes for the lists, in terms of what was added and changed. While adding the April '03 list, I looked over the earlier ones and noticed several discrepancies that I'll need to fix at some point. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:53, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's what I'm here for. =D
 * That would help explain things. If we can just find a source for the old OCG lists, then, we'll really be in business. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:32, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * You guys probably already have found these but just incase, this but it only goes to 2005, and this has all the lists except 1999 but no official sources. Here are two older lists, not sure on the date though looks like 2004 here and here. Hopefully this helps a bit. ^_^ Look234 (talk • contribs) 18:00, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the links, Look, that should definitely help. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:34, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

DeltaneosBot profile pic
Taking a cue from [ my bot], eh? =D (and at the risk of sounding sacrilegious, what is your bot's profile pic from?) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:22, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't think people would realise what that log action was targeting. Image is from commons:File:Wikibot gray.jpg. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:51, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I got an email notification for an edit to DeltBot's user page, but without an actual edit link; I've known for a long time that such notifications correspond to log actions (and on Wikia wikis, they usually mean an added or changed avatar). ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:55, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Those images are quite interesting - At least they gain some various base on their looks. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:21, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Unofficial?
I asked this to Cheesedude, but he couldn't answer me for sure. If a card is played in the manga, but the card itself is not shown, and the effect is just explained in a dialogue - is the Japanese card lore of that card considered an ?LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:13, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would say yes (I would also say I make for a funny-looking Deltaneos, but that's neither here nor there =D ). Such cases should be noted somewhere, probably on the card's trivia page. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:12, July 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * In the same token, this could also apply to the English lores of ALL anime-only cards. The dub has no card text, which means no lore, which means unofficial. However, I think applying it that way is just pointless...and would probably confuse more people than it would help, honestly. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:18, July 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * But in this case, if we have the lore shown in Japanese, then we couldn't consider it unofficial, as they cannot change the effect of a card in the dub. However, um, for example: Remember Kaito's Feelings Towards the Future? If we didn't have the image for the card showing the lore, we would never know it would inflict 4000 damage to Kaito if he didn't Overlay the Special Summoned monsters. So, the lore would be incomplete. This is why I came up with this question. The cards may have other effects, limitations, drawbacks, etc, but we can't figure it out if they don't say or the card is not shown. And you know in the manga many cards don't have the lore written in the card. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:04, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Ban
Hey, I need some enlightenment on a recent chat issue. A little while ago, me and a few fellow users from the Dragon Ball Wikia decided to visit this wiki's chat. However, the only chat moderator on at the time (NexusShiker) somehow came under the impression that we had malicious intent there. Even though we were not breaking any apparent rules, we were all eventually banned by this user. I find this highly unfair, could you shed some light on our dilemma? --NobleTrigon 17:31, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Delta why are User:Spongebob456 and User:NexusShiker Chatmods? they are just two power abusers. I got banned from Sponge and when i went to see the reason it said "Miss-click" ok seriously what is that?--LaserGhost (talk • contribs) 11:33, July 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Miss-click" was the reason given for changing the length of the ban. He meant "misclick", as in he originally clicked on the wrong length. The reason he gave for the ban was "insulting". You can view the full log. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:09, July 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Check Laser's talk page for more information. -- Super Sponge!!   12:46, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

and I was throwing some names without looking at anything -.- stupid me--LaserGhost (talk • contribs) 09:06, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Rules?
Hello delta. I am being frequently banned because of extremely small insults (stupid/noobs) so I ask you to put a list of Insults that deserve a ban. because of the power abusers banning people for no proper reason. oh and sponge said i was insulting at other people's back while they happened to be away, and that person didnt bother putting his brain to work and figure out that if anybody returns they will see my insult meaning it is not behind people's back.--LaserGhost (talk • contribs) 14:52, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nexus and me have been discussing the Chat Rules. That may be something to add to the list. The severity of the insult may be up to the Chat Mod's discretion however. -- Super Sponge!!   15:04, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Nexus has also been talking to me about it. I've been meaning to get back to him on it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:41, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Template:Card lists and Template:NavboxList
Hey Delt, do you have any idea what's going on with the archseries member lists on Card lists? Archetype [anti]support lists don't do the same, even after a null edit, and I can't find anything obviously wrong in any related template. The only possibility I can think of is that there's a problem with using a category in the query, which is supported by this edit. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:47, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Something to do with spacing. &#91;&#91;Archetype or series__card list for::Abyss&#93;&#93; works, while &#91;&#91;Archetype or series_card list for::Abyss&#93;&#93; doesn't. The double space is needed for the cards, whose archetype is automatically taken from the page name some . The single space is needed for the others. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:28, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually once you null edit one of the other list pages, you'll see they all need the double space. We could just change Template:Card lists to return, with the two spaces. But I think we'd both rather have it fixed, so that they use the proper single space. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:41, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * It was just a bit of phantom spacing. Just need to let the cache for each page clear now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:56, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * (A bit late, but...) Thanks for figuring it out. Whitespace bugs are nothing short of retarded - you shouldn't have to worry about whitespace unless you're doing string manipulations, in which case you (usually) want to explicitly handle whitespace character-by-character, just like everything else in the string. This is not such a case, thus this is an incredibly retarded bug (and a regression at that, since it worked prior to the upgrade). =/ 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:06, July 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * They can be a pain alright. The Factbox, which I've been in favour of removing, is what helped me spot the problem. I noticed the extra space after copy pasting the property name from the factbox. I don't know how I would have picked up on it otherwise. Despite its assistance, I still feel like backstabbing it and having it removed. ^^ -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:10, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * You and me both. It's great the 0.0001% of the time I'm playing with properties in templates, and otherwise it's just an almost completely useless waste of screen real estate. I'd be perfectly happy with it not displayed by default, with a switch of some sort (maybe something like ) to display it on a page. 「 ディノ 奴  千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:32, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Xyz Colosseo
Why did you move this? I said that Colosseo is the original Italian name, and your reason was the talk about kana, even though that has nothing to do with this. Mad Rest 22:31, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cheesedude moved it, not me. I would have thought "Xyz Colosseo" was right too. But in the conversation he linked to, we were talking about when Japanese names use katakana to write a word in a language other than English. And whether we should leave them in the language used or translate them to English.
 * One way of looking at it is for example the Japanese name for "Stardust Dragon" uses English words. Its Italian name uses the Italian words, despite the Japanese name using the English ones. For "Xyz Colosseo", the Japanese name uses an Italian word, so the English one could use the English word, despite the Japanese name using the Italian one.
 * Really, both translations, "Xyz Colosseo" and "Xyz Colosseum" are correct and arguments could be (and have been) made in favour of using either one. In the long term, I think our best option is to see what English name 4Kids/Konami give it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:25, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought the point of the kana conversation was that we should only leave foreign loan words that way if they are names. "Colosseo" isn't a name, so we should use "Colosseum". The dub is very likely to use "Colosseum" as they've set a precedence for that sort of thing already (no, I'm not suggesting we use that as rationale to change it back to "Colosseum"). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:39, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Retro Format
My deletion notices have been repeatedly removed from Retro Format. Its only source is "the memory of who invented it". Please deal with the page. Thanks. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:26, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

DONT DELETE RETRO FORMAT !!! WAS DECLARE OFICIAL TO DOMESTIC DUELS IN 2010 Ron.and.Roll (talk • contribs)

Is not my problem how deleted works, you deleted my article three times. I asked that administrators do not erase the article because the Retro Format was officially declared two years ago and in this wiki there is any information about it.

READ ALL ARTICLE AGAIN !!!

"the memory of who invented it" is reference to many people since 18 to 22 years old. All information abou Retro Format was deleted from the net in 2008. Ron.and.Roll (talk • contribs)

RE: Tag Force Booster Pack images
I currently don't have access to a copy of TF04, maybe in a couple of weeks. I can upload the ones from TF05 for now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:11, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have a copy of TF04 so I should be able to grab the pack images in a bit. And for the dimensions of the booster images, I'm getting 64x128, let me know if you get a larger resolution and I'll dig again and see if I can find them. ^_^ Look234 (talk • contribs) 01:08, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * My TF05 would be 65x131. I'm using whatever the original resolution is that I'm getting them at.
 * Also, we should use no spaces in the file names, similar to the other things in the Image Policy right? A lot of them still have symbols and spaces.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:02, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm, not sure where I'm losing the few pixels, but its nothing too drastic. And yeah we should keep with the Image Policy and remove the spaces. Look234 (talk • contribs) 02:46, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * If the original size is in a different size through different game titles, there shouldn't be a reason to change it. It should be fine keeping the same size as what you get yours at. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:49, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Mkay, all the TF06 Boosters are uploaded. ^_^ The names are taken from the GameFaqs guides, feel free to change them if needed. I'll work on TF04 here in a bit. Look234 (talk • contribs) 04:10, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * TF05 also up. Except Picking Flowers and Generation Gap which I don't have unlocked. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:35, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks guys. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:29, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * ... I just remembered that I could extract images directly. So I didn't need to take them or have them unlocked to get their images.
 * The images include the booster box art next to them (File:PickingFlowers-Booster-TF05.png, File:GenerationGap-Booster-TF05.png). Should I make all the other images like that, or should I crop them and only have the booster pack? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 14:51, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Including the box art might be a good idea, given how small the images are. Should we maybe use a different filename for the images that include the box? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:57, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have all 60 Box and Booster images each for both (TF05 and TF06, 120 total), so I can make it so that all the TF05 and TF06 images all are the same, so a different filename may be redundant.
 * I'm pretty sure I can do the same for TF04 and below when I get access to them. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 15:02, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have access to a copy of TF04 now (File:NaturalBornCritters-Booster-TF04.png). I'll upload the rest of TF04 and the full images for 05 and 06 tomorrow (was busy earlier, now it's late night here). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 14:40, July 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * TF04+TF05+TF06 = 47+58+60 = 165
 * (File:NaturalBornCritters-Booster-TF04.png)+(File:PickingFlowers-Booster-TF05.png, File:GenerationGap-Booster-TF05.png) = 48+60+60. That's all of them.
 * We also need the ones for Template:Boosters/GX1, Template:Boosters/GX02, Template:Boosters/GX03, Template:Boosters/GX04, Template:Boosters/GX05 and Template:Boosters/GX06 right? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:25, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you create gallery pages at some point for the sets from each game, Falzar? It'd be neat to be able to look through all the images for a game at once. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:36, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Like TCG Set Galleries: Boosters, at VG Set Galleries: Boosters?
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:43, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, though I was thinking a separate gallery page for each game. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:46, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Give me the page titles, and I'll quickly generate a few. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:53, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Tag Force 4 Booster Pack gallery, Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Tag Force 5 Booster Pack gallery, Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Tag Force 6 Booster Pack gallery. I don't really like these names overly much, but they're the best I can come up with ATM, and IMHO they're not terribly important, since we can always rename them later. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:01, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:04, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Heh, that was quick. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:05, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Since I already have the lists at Template:Boosters/TF04, etc. a simple regex is enough to generate the body of the table, copy paste the rest from the other mentioned page and bot align which I already have from a while ago. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:11, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Makes sense. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:13, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Again with the dragon lords D:
Hello deltaneos, i have a problem some person that nominates the article "Dragon Lord" to deletion without enought resasons,if you remember the set of "Rise of the Dragon lords" states cleary "Bring on the Dragon Lords" and Appears Felgrand, Darkblaze and Tyrant...In addition there is an strategy around them, so please try to withdraw the delete nomination. There is not the same thing that like happens with From the Underworld group []because at least the second case has enoght reasons to be deleted until appears more "from the underworld" cards Greetings .--Angellicantropo (talk • contribs) 02:36, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you the same person, who was against it being deleted last time it was nominated? Can you please use the talk page to say why you disagree with the deletion. The topic that's already on that talk page is a year old, so you should probably start a new one. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:35, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ron.and.Roll Ignored the Warning
It's fourth time he put up "Retro Forum" or whatever that was, it seemed like he did not listening to all warnings that we threw all over his mugs. So by a chance, would he get banning for that reason? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:08, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Translation Errors
Greetings, I've reached out to you because you seem to be the admin most concerned with Japanese texts and translations.

As you've known, User:Master D is obsessed with using online translators to translate Japanese card names. Also, he has been moving many pages without official TCG card names. Often, his edits are full of mistakes. What's worse is that he is making more mistakes than I can correct him. Moreover, he is undoing my corrections.

Whenever he is confronted by me about the way the words he translated being far too literal, he refuses to admit that he is using an online translator, despite the blatant obviousness, and continues to copy translations from them. Time and time again, he fails to give an educated proof to his rebuttal in discussions about translations.

Right now, it's turning into a "one vs one" argument. I do not intend to go into an edit war with him. I request the intervention of admins and other educated users in this matter. Your opinions on the matter are greatly appreciated. HHT  - (Talk to the Turtle) 15:03, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * We really only argued about Arcane Archer of the Forest. I say that he shouldn't be too literal about translating Kyutsukai as bow user, when it's obviously archer. Even admins have told me not to be too literal. The other argument we had is about Seven Kids, but I accepted that I was wrong about that. I don't know why he's making up stuff that we're arguing. He's clearly starting the arguments because he's angry about being confronted. Mad Rest 15:34, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * It is not only those 2 card articles. There's also the mistakes you've made with Nitwit Outwit, Flaming Star Emperor - Choraio, Centrifugal Field, Anteatereatingant and many, many others. You're whole Talk Page is full of questions about your weird translations from many other users. How oblivious to your own mistakes can you be? HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 15:48, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, but why are you saying that I started an edit war over them? I accepted hat I was wrong and didn't argue about it. Show some proof that I argued about them before reporting me! And Centrifugation Field wasn't a wrong translation. Centrifuge and Centrifugation can be used in the same way here, by the way. Mad Rest 15:52, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, Mister "D", just make your own article and keep all your weirdo translation to yourself, ok? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:56, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I never wanted to report you or get you blocked or banned. I just wanted more expert opinion on the matter. Also, I said that I do not want to start an edit war with you. You did undo my edits multiple times.


 * Also, "Centrifugation" is the process. "Centrifuge" is a thing that performs the process. There are not synonyms.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 15:57, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fine, but it's still not that horribly wrong from the previous translation. I meant they were similar, not synonyms, but I edited that. And the reason I'm moving pages with no TCG names is because they are wrong. Mad Rest 16:01, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, many translations on this site are incorrect because we don't have many people educated in Japanese here. However, you making numerous mistakes isn't making the situation any better. HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 16:07, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't make numerous mistakes. In the case of Anteater, I wanted to keep the Kana, because it's the same as the Syllable cards. They are supposed to be some kind of pun. And it's not bow user, it's archer. I'm not syaing it's incorrect, but even an admin has told me not to be too literal. Mad Rest 16:10, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Mister "D" - I am with Turtle here in the argument - I am also uneducated in Japan, though I am easily educated in cette langue and este idioma. El día bueno, señor. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:12, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Syllable cards retain the "Gagaga" and "Achacha" because it has no meaning in Japanese and English. It's like baby talk, trying to translate it is foolish. [オオアリクイクイアリ] does have a specific meaning in Japanese.
 * When Dinoguy1000 told you "not to translate too literally". What he meant was not to do what you did with Nitwit Outwit and others, separating the name into individual words and translating it 1 word by 1 word which is what most online translators do.
 * [魔弓使い] is translated together as a phrase into "Magical Bow Wielder". Furthermore, "A person wielding a bow." and "He is a bow wielder/wielder of bows." are correct grammar-wise. HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 16:27, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Do you even know what we're talking about? If you don't know Japanese, you have no reason to support him. You don't even belong in this conversation if you don't know the issue. Mad Rest 16:15, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, amigo, the reason why I am here is to "vote" Turtle and maybe Deltaneos if he agreed for this whole argument. I am aware of what the hell is going on around here - you're the one screwing the translation around some bunch of articles and Turtle don't like that. Therefore I am not only here to vote them, but also to advice you to do one thing: Keep your stuffs to yourself. Like myself with my own Judge Rulings that don't belong to Ruling Articles, my own create cards that don't exist in this site, and ever smily that don't making any sense anyways. So now, would you heed my advice or being an asno? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:20, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm with Fred and Turtle, the wikia has various users, from different countries who different language. It is a bit difficult trying to find someone who actually understand/is educated in Japan. So if you don't have any proof or source, don't throw out names from online translators. Btw Fred has the right and reason to support who he wants to. It is very simple, No source/proof, no naming.-- Laggia Will Lag You (Talk)  16:21, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

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 * You don't get to vote when you're not a Japanese speaker. How the hell do you know if Turtle is right when you don't know Japanese? And no offense, but I doubt you're a judge. I saw you say on a forum post that Trigger Effects can never miss the timing. And no, just because he's a Japanese speaker doesn't mean he's always right. And there's no reason to support him; we're not arguing about card names here. We're giving examples; go to the talk page if you want to respond. Mad Rest 16:26, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ding, Source! You need a source to get that name out of your asno. That's all, señor.
 * There is a user that can perfectly speak Japan; III, ask him about your skill and let's see who won at end. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:27, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know Japanese; I'm not denying that. As I said, we're not talking about card names. If he gives a valid reason as to why a name should be corrected, I'll accept it. Mad Rest 16:31, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ding! You don't know the Japanese at last! Now cut it out please, Señor "D". -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:36, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I wasn't exactly hiding it. And what should I cut out?! You don't know what we're talking about. And ou still haven't answered; are you really a judge?! <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 16:39, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cut your obsessing of put in all wrong Japanese translation. That's so insanity that all other Admins had to hauling over the table to redoing them all right. And have you not bothered by checking my Profile; my career is right there, just walk there and read there. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:42, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * You said that Trigger Effects can't miss the timing. Even if you are a judge, I don't trust you. My translations aren't wrong. You don't even know Japanese, and you fully believe I'm wrong, because we're arguing over various translations. And what admins hauled over fixing my translations?! <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 16:46, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I stood my word: The "Trigger Effects" Monster on the field never missing their timing is, indeed, correct. But the one point that I was wrong in forum; Timing of when they such to be. Like the action of card resolved and the monster with Trigger Effects arrived onto the field too late, would not activating, neither would missing the timing. I am not official Judge. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:50, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wait, wait! You're not an official judge?! Then what kind of judge are you?! Also, you're wrong. Trigger effects are, like, the only effects that miss the timing. How can you get that wrong?! <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 16:54, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * * point to Monarch* Try making them missing the timing, amigo. And cut that out, we are here to talking about your Japanese obsessing, not the argument over about eff and shits. Deltaneos would shut this topic down if we kept going off topic. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:01, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Monarchs are a Trigger Effect monster, but they aren't an Optional Trigger Effect that starts with, "When... you can...". Peten the Dark Clown is a Trigger Effect monster, and it misses the timing. You're a self-proclaimed "judge"; you're supposed to know this. And you're the one straying off-topic. You don't even belong in this conversation. no matter if you're supporting him. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 17:12, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nexus included me, so shut up. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:31, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

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 * Yeah, I agree that this is going off-topic. We can maybe resolve this if we focus on the problem and don't fight. So the problem is that Hide Head Turtle thinks too many of Master D's translations are disputed that it's becoming too time consuming having to correct or discuss each one, right? Is there much consistency in what you two are disagreeing on? i.e. Do you think each other are making the same type of mistakes each time? If so we could create a page similar to Project:Arabic card names guidelines for Japanese name translations (Dinoguy's suggestion, btw). Whatever rules or guidelines are put on it are a result of collaborative discussion. Anything on it should be followed and if you disagree with it, go to the policy page's talk page, rather than change translations. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:56, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify, my suggestion is for a policy page on Japanese translation in general, not just names specifically.
 * We may instead want to rename "Project:Arabic card names guidelines" to "Project:Translation" or the like and generalize it to translating between languages in general, with specific guidelines for individual languages/language pairings as necessary. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:58, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I actually assumed there already was one. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 23:33, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's scary how quickly this went-off topic. The topic I'm arguing about is that User:Master D should not be basing his Japanese to English translations on online translators.
 * Here are some examples of his edits:
 * Hermit of Prophecy: [魔導老士 エアミット] ---> "Magical Lao-tse Ermite" ([老士] =/= [老子])
 * Treeborn Frog: [黄泉ガエル] ---> "Abyss Gaeru" ([黄泉] has a special meaning than just "Abyss")
 * Desertapir: [砂バク] ---> "Sand Baku" (Card Trivia:Desertapir)
 * Nitwit Outwit: [奇策] ---> "Curious Schemes" (Talk:Nitwit Outwit)
 * Tinplate Archduke: [ブリキの大公] ---> "Buriki Archduke"
 * The Warrior Returning Alive: [戦士の生還] ---> "Alive Return of the Warrior" ([生] = "Life", [還] = "Return", [生還] = "Alive Return"???)
 * Even he himself has admitted to using an online translator for his edits: Talk:Nitwit Outwit. To quote his statement: "Use www.tangorin.com for translating kanji. I will change it if someone doesn't offer a sound counterargument." I'm not saying that my translations are 100% correct. I've even participated in discussions about translating conventions multiple times. However, he has continued with his nonsensical translations, ignoring discussions on the Talk Page.
 * Dinoguy1000 said it best: "If you're using an online translator - any online translator, regardless of advertised, perceived, or actual quality - you've automatically lost the right to declare any translation "incorrect". Machine translation is still years (if not decades) away from even approaching the level of quality and accuracy needed for this type of translation work, and that's if it can happen before the creation of strong AI (which I doubt for a plethora of reasons). In absolutely any situation where I have to pick between what an online translator gives and what a person that knows Japanese gives, I will go with the person every time."
 * A set of established guidelines for Japanese to English translations is a good idea. However, it won't solve the fundamental problem here. The No. 1 important guideline for translations that Master D must follow is to "Never, ever rely on online translators for accurate translations.". HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 06:25, July 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Automatic translators are useful, but it's ridiculous to expect perfect translations from them or cite one as proof for a disputed translation.
 * Looking at the "Nitwit Outwit" talk page, Master D doesn't seem to understand that compounds can have a different meaning than the individual kanji. "奇" = "strange", "奇策 = "clever scheme". Other editors have caused problems by translating names one kanji at a time before.
 * Per the "essay" above (may end up on a separate archive than this), a non-English word in katakana doesn't necessarily make it exempt from translating.
 * Do you accept these three points, Master D? If we follow these, that should hopefully lessen the disagreements. -- Deltaneos (talk) 09:09, July 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * That was before I learned how to use the general translations. That's why Nitwit Outwit's was so literal. My translator also gives the translation as clever schemes. And for most of those examples, I didn't use a translator. A baku is a Japanese supernatural-being. Even Wikipedia has an article about it. And I mostly edit those translations which are wrong. Abyss doesn't have a special meaning. It is part of the Yomi/Abyss archetype. For the rest, I wanted to keep the original kana, but now they look just stupid, so I guess they can be translated as frog. And I don't know how I am causing a problem, when none of those translations would've been fixed if I hadn't changed them. Also, my translator didn't give Alive Return as a translation. It gave returning alive, but I didn't have a better way to phrase it for the time being. In fact, for those examples, only Nitwit Outwit was from a translator, and guess what: It also gives the translation as Clever Schemes. And based on results, I'm guessing my translator is 85% of times correct, since I've done way more translations and no one's complaining about those. You just think since I'm using a translator, when a confronting opinion comes up, I will always be in the wrong. Also, what point are you talking about? I will edit translations that are wrong, and if you want them changed, then come up with a valid reason! I mean, I didn't complain when Turtle said Choraio, Anteater and Seven Kids were wrong. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 13:24, July 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * The No. 1 important guideline for translations that Master D must follow is to "Never, ever rely on online translators for accurate translations.". ~
 * Sorry, buddy, time to cut out your silly action, Mister D. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:40, July 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * The reason I told you not to respond on this post is because you're annoying. You never once responded to what I posted; you just keep saying my translations are wrong. Even now, you don't offer a counterargument to what I said; you just say that ALL of my translations are wrong because I use a translator, even though you don't know Japanese or English. Unless you want to say something that is related to my previous post, don't enter this discussion at all! This is the last time I'm responding to you. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 14:08, July 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Let's not make another fight out of this. If we can be patient and polite, we might sort this out. FredCat, I know you mean well, but it's not nice to keep degrading other people's work, particularly when you don't understand it. They are trying to help too. Master D, yes his Japanese credentials aren't much and he's not adding adequately responding to your new points, but maybe we should try not make something personal of this. We don't want to stray into another off-topic fight. If you don't want to reply to him any further, okay. I guess it's one way of sorting that problem, for now.
 * For "Desertapir", you are okay with the current translation, "Sand Tapir", right?
 * Archetype consistency seems as good a reason as any to choose one translation over another, but correct me if I'm wrong, would it not be better to list "Yomi" as the translated name for all the "Yomi"/"Abyss" cards, rather than "Abyss"? Yomi is the Japanese word for the land of the dead. "Abyss" seems to be the same concept, but from other faiths.
 * You say you're willing to admit a translation is wrong if someone manages to prove it's wrong. That's fine. If you can prove other people's translations are wrong too, that's also fine. I think the problem is in the occurrence rate for these disputes. You and HHT could probably discuss each translation and come to an agreement on each one, but it's not something either of you want to spend most of your free time doing. If we can find some commonality in where wrong translations, whoever they're from, we might be able to reduce their occurrences. Do you think there's any repeating mistakes that HHT keeps making? When did you start using the "general translations" option? It sounds like a step in the right direction. Have there been as many disputed translations since you started using it?
 * I know you say that the majority of your translations are right and most of the stuff you change was definitely wrong beforehand. I haven't checked myself. I'm guessing HHT will have something to say about this. HHT: While you think he is making a lot of mistranslations, do you think he is making a share of correct changes to existing translations? -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:52, July 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I started using it 2-3 months ago. And the Toonzaki subs, if you can count them as official, translate them as Abyss. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 16:01, July 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't the Toonzaki subs use dub names? Dub names aren't always a direct translation. e.g. they changed "Wicked King" to "Ruler" for "Abyss Ruler Mictlancoatl". -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:45, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

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 * Yes, except in cases where there is no dub name. The Crimson Devil episodes were never dubbed, so the Toonzaki subs are as close to official English names as we'll get in such cases. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:08, July 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have approved and defended his edits before, e.g. Talk:Magic-Power-Induced Explosion. Let me be clear on this: I don't choose sides. I only favour good edits.
 * As said before, Yomi is a special name for a special place. It is more akin to the words "Hades" and "Hell". Translating it as "Abyss" causes that special meaning to be lost. I'm not convinced that Toonzaki subs are "reliable enough". They have never intended to translate the Japanese names as consistently as possible. Toonzaki, 4Kids and Konami (TCG) are all subject to censorship laws so many of their English translations are heavily altered to prevent mentions about death, violence, etc.
 * As for his "general translations" method, whatever that is; it has not gotten any better. Here is one of his recent translations: From Gaia Soul the Combustible Collective, [爆炎集合体ガイヤ・ソウル] ---> "Aggregation of Explosive Flames - Gaia Soul". There is so much wrong with this. 1st, "Aggregation" is the process, "Aggregate" is the noun. 2nd, [集合体] should be translated as "Assembly" as in [燃料集合体] (Fuel Assembly). 3rd, [爆炎] is a very difficult word to translate, literally it means "Bursting/Exploding Flames", though together as a phrase it means something along the lines of "Combustible"/"Explosive"/"Inflammable".
 * I think there is a fallacy in your statement: "And based on results, I'm guessing my translator is 85% of times correct, since I've done way more translations and no one's complaining about those.". 1st, you don't understand any Japanese at all, how would you know when the translations you are getting from it is right or wrong? 2nd, 85% is not good enough. 3rd, I've been fixing many of your edits. 4th, plenty of users have been complaining about your edits.
 * To address your next statement: "You just think since I'm using a translator, when a confronting opinion comes up, I will always be in the wrong.", I don't think that you are always wrong. I just think that since you are relying heavily on online translators, you are not a certified translator, meaning you have never earned the right to declare other people's translations as being right or wrong. Also, you have never given intellectual and educated rebuttals in our discussions which further affirms the above remark.
 * Lastly, this is all said with no offence to you or your being. You are very passionate about your edits as do most users here. However, please be open to criticism from other users. Under any sort of circumstance, there is no need to be emotional on the internet. HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 06:24, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're wrong about Gaia Soul. Check this: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aggregation You can see that an aggregation is a collection of parts, not just the process, therefore it is correct. Bakuen means explosive flame. I didn't even need a translator for that. No matter if it's used in different ways, it can't get any clearer. You just want to translate too literally. That's why you translate Kyutsukai as Bow User. That is the correct translation, but you even said to me that I translated Nitwit Outwit just by looking at the kanji, and this is what you're doing now. It is Archer, no matter how you look at it. The only way to wield bows is through the use of archery. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 13:20, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that your Gaia Soul translation is wrong; it's just there are more ways to translate it, and my translation isn't incorrect, just because there are different synonyms to it. You offer synonyms to my words, and expect people to believe it's the translator's fault for not offering those exact synonyms. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest  13:23, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, Naraku is translated as Hell. Shouldn't it just be Naraku? As for Yomi, since it's the closest official English source, we must go with that. I mean, we follow the English video games and their translations, don't we? <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 13:30, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Video games and Toonzaki are legitimate sources for official English names. As we all know, official English names aren't always translations of the Japanese name. They didn't use an exact translation when they changed "Jaō" (Wicked King) to "Ruler", so they didn't necessarily use an exact translation when they changed "Yomi" to "Abyss" in the same name. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:42, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, if it's a concept similar to Hell, rather than the Japanese word for Hell, I personally think "Sun of Naraku" would be a more suitable translation than "Sun of Hell". -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:58, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, Maddy Rest... shut up and accept it! -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:35, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm failing to understand your logic here, Master D. HHT: [爆炎] ---> "Combustible" is too literal??? Master D: [爆炎] ---> "Explosive Flames" is ok??? Do you understand the meaning of the word "literal"? Fine, I've changed [弓使い] to "Archer" since you always ignore my other points. As for Gaia Soul, "Aggregation" and "Assembly" do have similar meaning. However, that doesn't mean you can use them interchangeably. As I've shown, the name is paralleling the word [燃料集合体] which is called "Fuel Assembly" in English. If you told an Engineer that you call that thing a "Fuel Aggregation", he would look at you funny. This is why I emphasizes the inclusion of context in translations so much. Words in English that have similar meaning don't usually have the same usage. Which words to use is always governed by context.
 * Another example of your blatant ignorance for context, "Naraku" is the name for "Hell" in Japanese Buddhism while "Yomi" is the land of the dead which is often portrayed in Japanese Mythology and the "Shinto" Religion. Using them interchangeably is absolutely incorrect. Also, telling a Japanese person that "Yomi" is some sort of "Abyss" will garner the same reaction from telling a Greek person that "Hades" and the "Elysian Fields" are just some sort of "Abyss".
 * Yes, we do obtain English names from video games, Toonzaki Subs, 4Kids and Konami(TCG). However, that doesn't mean we should obtain translations from them as well. The word "Abyss" is used in the Toonzaki Subs but it shouldn't be in the "trans" section. Remember that is was Master D who added that word "Abyss" into the "trans" section of the Treeborn Frog article.
 * Lastly, the edits by Master D have been getting worse. Example from Silver Sentinel: [白銀のスナイパー] ---> "Silvery Snow Sniper"??? "Snow"? What "Snow"? Yes, there is snow is the card's artwork but nowhere is it mentioned in the card's name. Also, the translation was fine before you decided to mess with it. If you have no clue what you are doing, then I suggest you take some time to reconsider your edits. HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 07:45, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Silvery Snow Sniper was its previous name. I didn't translate it. I just added it in the trans parameter. And it doesn't mean White Silver. It means either Silver or Snow. This time, you seem to be translating too literally. The previous translator, I'm guessing, translated it as both. I have no qualms about the trans parameter about Yomi. I agree that the translated should be Yomi. I was just talking about the English name. And I fail to find how bakuen means combustible, when kanen means inflammable, combustible, burnable, not bakuen. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 12:50, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now, you're just being foolish. [白銀] (hakugin) means "White Silver" or "Silvery White". It's not a matter of "translating literally", it means nothing else. Also, there is no mention of "Snow" in the name. What the heck are you talking about? [可燃] means "Can be ignited" or "Inflammable". [爆炎] means something along the lines of "about to burst into flames" or "Inflammable" or "Combustible". Again, mean almost the same thing but cannot be used interchangeably. HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 16:04, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

New Set Page Design
Hey Delta I just wanted to check if the new set page design is good to go? If so I'll start to update the pages as I go now. ^_^ Look234 (talk • contribs) 13:53, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, good to go. It's already set up on a few pages. Any help rolling it out is appreciated. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:59, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Can do! I'll let you know if I run into any trouble. ^_^ Look234 (talk • contribs) 14:02, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Traditional Format vandalism

 * Can you lock this page? It's being constantly vandalized by that Ron.and.Roll guy.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 17:23, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've given him a block warning since he's been doing this on other pages too. I doubt we'll need to lock it after this. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:44, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

DGA's suggestion
[21:51] <@DemonGodAsura> I wish Deltaneos were here... [21:53] <@DemonGodAsura> On the upcoming sets, I think that "TCG exclusive" should be changed to "World premiere card", and that "OCG exclusive" should be changed to "OCG import" or something similar. --YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:59, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just relaying:


 * I assume you're talking about the unknown cards in lists for upcoming TCG sets. They sound good to me. The old names were a bit illogical. I don't see any reason not to change them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:25, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Main reason being that Konami use the term/phrase "World premiere card" to introduce/describe the new "exclusive" cards introduced in the sets. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 04:55, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Block log
I just had a look through the block log after blocking an IP. I noticed that that are multiple cases in the early years of the wiki where IPs were blocked indefinitely (and thus are still blocked to this day). Isn't this generally frowned upon (or even against general Wikia policy)? And if we are permitted to permanently block IPs, then I have a few I'd like to block myself. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:32, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Or just call it on this board? If you wish to get IP block power, just call for "IP Block" Admins article, much like with Admin itself. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  03:41, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fred, you're missing the point. Any admin can block anyone. I just blocked two IPs in the last twenty-four hours. I'm talking about permanent IP blocks, meaning anyone using that IP address can never edit again. Which I was given to understand was not something that should ever been done. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:44, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah ok, forgot that you had Admin member card pinning on your shirt. I think I have seen couple Admins, like Blue or this Admin (DeltaNeos) managed to lock up very few users into permanent ban. But that's age ago, when I was immature user. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  03:46, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * There are some very limited circumstances where indef-blocking an IP is okay (the English Wikipedia, for instance, indef-blocks known proxies and TOR exit nodes), but generally it's a bad idea. The 108 indef-blocked IPs should probably have their blocks lifted, unless there's a very good reason to leave them indef-blocked. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:58, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought. I suppose I'll go unblock a few now, I have a few minutes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:11, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Guess that I remembered well... It was definite DeltaNeos and Blue that literally mopped the floor with bad IP-Addressed Users. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  04:26, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Those infinite IP blocks were all from 2008 and earlier. You joined in October 2009. You must be thinking of something else. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:45, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, most of those were blocked before admins knew better than to infinitely block IPs. And a lot of them in the same range were from one very recursive vandal, before we knew how to range block. I've been meaning to clear up the old infinite IP blocks for a while now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:29, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

LC3 Token
Hey Deltaneos, I just wanted to explain why I made my edit. I know that they're all printed as "Token" but most people, and the wikia itself refer to them by the monster on the card. So I thought calling the tokens the Kuriboh token and the Emmisary of Darkness token was sufficient. Besides, isn't saying "with "Kuriboh Token" illustrations" also doing the same thing, saying that they're actually named that? The problem I have with that is shouldn't it be more like "with Kuriboh illustrations/art.

How about something like:
 * 3 Ultra Rare "Token" cards; 2 feature "Kuriboh" illustrations and 1 features an "Emissary of Darkness" illustration.

The first part tells them they're named "Token". The second part allows people to still see the artwork, but doesn't name them "Kuriboh Token". - 魔法師 MoFaatSi (talk • contribs) (talk • contribs) 07:06, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * 'Have been trying to move the wiki away from referring to them that way; Talk:Token. By 'with "Kuriboh Token" illustrations', I just meant with "Kuriboh Token" in their artworks, but you're suggested reword is fine. It's closer to how Konami have worded it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:54, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay I see, I see. It's just hard to refer to a certain token without doing that, regardless of whether or not the card is actually named that. I'll refrain from doing that from now on. So I'll use the above reword then. - 魔法師 MoFaatSi (talk • contribs) (talk • contribs) 22:46, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hieratic being vandalism...
This user didn't listening to Sponge's warning repeat so can you please lock that article to User only? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:56, July 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Again, he didn't paying any attention to his Talk Page and just vandalism-ing the article continuous... All we had to do is to lock up the article and be done with it. Kindly like my "Buddy List" article a while ago. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:05, July 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's getting out of hand - time to lock up the article and be done. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:10, July 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Seriously! Go do your Admin Godly Power on that user. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:12, July 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not against you - I am supporting you, I only want that User to stop vandalism-ing the article - that's all. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:13, July 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your kindly offering, Co-Founder... I mean, Sub-Founder. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:23, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Jump Festa 1999/2000
yes, i am sure, i don't know why some sites call it JF 99... maybe just because it was released in that year. here it is. this is an official poster of the event, it reports date, year and event name. /////||||||\\\\\ Jump Enemy (talk • contribs) 15:48, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

User Page

 * Hey Delta. I know you're good with this stuff, so I thought I'd ask you. Is there a better template I can use on my userpage to spruce up the Deck(s) column on the side? I think it looks a little ugly ATM, and I've only used it for so long because it was the only one I knew how to use. Do you know of one that lets me customize more, like colours and naming each parameter (rather than being stuck with, for example, Tag Force 4), etc.? Thanks in advance.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 10:00, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Template:Infobox should let you do whatever you want in terms of colours and giving names to sections. It might be hard to figure it out if you haven't used anything like it before, but the examples section should be able to help get you started. The things like  in those examples are what's determining the colours. You can replace them for example with something like   to change the associated background to red and text to white. If you know CSS, you can alter its appearance in pretty much any way you want, so if there is any particular customisations you'd like to give it, just let me know. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:23, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you Delta! <3 I'll try it out later!--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 12:47, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * How does this look to you? I'm in two minds about it. I mean, it definitely looks better than the ugly grey, but I'm not sure if I want to do more with it or not...--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 17:21, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * The design looks fine. It just seems a bit strange to me that it's only got one row other than the header. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:32, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I don't really know what else to put in there. I'll play around with it more some other time. Thanks for the help, though.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 17:35, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Card chants
Oh you made it back the way it was? >.> Oh well. It took a long time to go through it all you know. I was just bored and cruising on the forums and that thread took ages to load, so I just thought 'hey why not tidy it up a bit' and I tried to delete only the ones without signatures so that I wouldn't offend anybody. I might have accidentally removed a few though.

IPlay4Fun (talk • contribs) 12:57, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Leadership
So, I'd like to ask - who is the main bureaucrat here? E n e r g y X ∞ 22:16, August 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * There are two bureaucrats. You can see a list at Special:ListUsers/bureaucrat. Nobody is the leader per se. Decisions are ideally based on communal agreements, not what one person wants. TwoTailedFox is however the founder, if that's what you're wondering. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:25, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Package editions
From what I have found and have on hand, LOB, MRD, MRL/SRL, and PSV are the only main series packs that have versions without any language box, i.e. no For U.S. & Canada English Edition or English Edition. Those four sets have four have six different packs in all:
 * Two no language box, 1st Edition and Unlimited, SET-###
 * Two For Europe English Edition, 1st Edition and Unlimited, SET-E###
 * One For U.S. & Canada English Edition, Unlimited Edition, SET-###
 * One English Edition, Unlimited Edition, SET-EN###

Its a little strange for MRL since it changed to SRL but it follows the same pattern just the last two are SRL and SRL-EN respectively. As for uploading the different editions of the packs I'm fine with that it is not necessarily needed but we could do it. ^_^ We would really have to dig for some of the early ones though.

A strange side note, I just bought a couple of special edition sets and the third pack in each was strange. The Tactical Evolution: Special Edition's Invasion of Chaos pack was labeled English Edition and came with IOC-EN cards like I expected but the Tactical Evolution: Special Edition's Labyrinth of Nightmare pack was labeled English Edition as well but came with LON-E cards. And Gladiator's Assault: Special Edition's Dark Crisis pack again was labeled English Edition but the cards were just DCR. So, yeah after those first four sets it gets stranger. Look234 (talk • contribs) 12:50, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

BAM Stuff
In Yu-Gi-Oh! BAM, I've managed to directly extract a whole lot of sprites which I might upload later. Anyways, the point of this is actually, I've noticed that we have pages for music, so should we make pages for things like these? /where?
 * ygo_story_map_1.mp3
 * ygo_story_map_2.mp3
 * ygo_story_map_3.mp3

You can hotlink to them apparently, since the files in the game are all downloaded separately as you need to use them as you play the game. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 15:03, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Are there more than just those three? I'd say "Story Map 1", "Story Map 2" and "Story Map 3" would be okay pagenames for them. If hotlinking's okay, which it seems to be, we can link to those mp3s from their articles. There is an extension, FlashMP3Whitelist, that we could ask to have set up that would allow us to directly embed those files with  tags, but I'm not so sure if we can legally do that. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:21, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Those should be all the main background ones. There are also sound effects, like: ygo_sfx_8_emergency.mp3
 * But I don't really think they're worth noting. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 15:33, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. It's hardly worth setting up an extension just to play three files. I guess we can just link to them in that case. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:38, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems like I missed 5 others. Found them after I cleared my cache, it seems like the thing I'm using doesn't catch them if they are loaded from the cache instead of re-downloaded.
 * So there are 8 now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:36, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Lightray Madoor's details
Hey, I recalled that you put that kind of "Notice" in "Prophecy Destroyer" and copied that into "Lightray Madoor" so that other users would not have to put it in some issues, similar to the logical of "Prophecy Destroyer" existence. You're welcome to touch it up. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:13, August 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks good. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:18, August 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Great to know. At least your action serves a purpose. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:09, August 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, i add that kind of notice on this page too since there was 3 edits without any source.-- Falling Stars and Laggia Will rebirth (Talk)  10:38, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Rule Vandal

 * Hi there Delta. Can you please block this user or protect this page. This loser seems bent on vandalising it over and over.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 21:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Navigation
What's exactly the difference between and  ? I used to use the latter one for the manga cards, but some editors replaced some of them with the other one, so I'm totally lost. :| LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:21, August 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * There is no difference whatsoever as far as I know. Some editors prefer the former, some the latter, but they both have the same result. In the same vein, cards that are in video games, but not in the real game use or  . Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:46, August 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * The intention is that Navigation2 and Navigation3 are shorthand for Navigation with common but non-standard settings; they're meant to be substituted according to Navigation's documentation.
 * At some point, I'm going to have to sit down and make Navigation work in these cases without setting parameters (by getting the necessary info via SMW). It's been on my to-do list for a long time, actually. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:44, August 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Right, it shorthand, but that doesn't mean its less or more right than using the full version I myself prefer to not use the shorthand (for no good reason, mind you). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:19, August 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, there is a good reason not to use the shorthands: they don't support the other parameters that the main template does. While this makes absolutely no difference for most cards, consistency is probably better in this case. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:59, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Block request Round 2
Please can you block this user? He is vandalising faster than I can revert the edits. It would be helpful if you could do a mass revert as well if that's possible. Thanks. -- Super Sponge!!   19:58, August 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Also be sure to check Admin noticeboard, so Delta ain't have to do all the block job. He is not only Admin around here. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:29, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

SD:Roar of the Sea Emperor
Known as Structure Deck: Realm of the Sea Emperor. Released 10/20/12 " The Realm of the Sea Emperor Structure Deck launches an ocean themed Deck for Duelists. As with all Structure Decks, Realm of the Sea Emperor is designed to give Duelists a jumping off point to build a competitive Deck. This Structure Deck will introduce 5 brand new cards including an extremely powerful Spell Card that all deep-sea Duelists will want to have in their Deck. Duelists can find additional Sea Serpents in Abyss Rising. This Structure Deck Contains: 37 Common Cards, 1 Ultra Rare Card, 2 Super Rare Cards, 1 Rulebook, 1 Game Mat, 1 Dueling Guide" per this Ricky Spanish (talk • contribs) 07:26, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

About theworld championship page
Vishagan About theworld championship page: the players deck types reference are the live coverage videos do they count as valid cites? or Jarel winston (theplayers themselves) —This unsigned comment was made by Vishagan (talk • contribs) 17:20, 11 August 2012‎ (UTC)


 * I guess they do. But since there's no way of rewatching those videos (or can you?), it's nice to also have some solid references which can be checked afterwards.
 * I would say the players are also valid sources. Although we'd need proof that they actually said whatever they're being quoted as saying. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:33, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Template:Flag versus Template:FlagLang
Any idea what the difference between these is supposed to be? Would there be any problem with moving the latter over the former if there is none? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:48, August 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think originally, flag took the region of the flag as input, while FlagLang took a language and outputted the associated flag. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:52, August 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Aah. Well, IMO, there are too many problems with using language as input for a flag template, so I'm fine with losing that distinction. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:05, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

Priority
Does it just an Ignition Priority being gone or entire set of "Priority" (such as Ignition, Trigger, etc.) are gone? If former is true, then GameFAQs members must budging their head into the wrong wall. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:43, August 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * While it's not called priority anymore, you are correct, effectively just ignition effect priority is gone. When you Summon a monster you can activate an effect triggered by the Summon or a Quick Effect before the opponent can play something like "Bottomless Trap Hole". e.g. you can use the first effect of "Black Rose Dragon"or the effect of "Strike Ninja", but not the second effect of "Black Rose Dragon". You can show them Konami's page for proof. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:56, August 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting, that very same link Shamack used... only Kevin's link is full of the lies. Last time he blahed about the game mechanic, he got foot'd down by Konami as they declared that Xyz Material ain't exist on the field (which Kevin said they do). I decided to not trust Kevin's stuff, ever if he's a honestly person. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:08, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

World Championship 2012 page
Thank you were making the world championship 2012 page betterand better everyday final we can make world championship pages to the standard they deserve —This unsigned comment was made by Vishagan (talk • contribs) 17:26, August 12, 2012‎ (UTC)


 * Thanks. You've been a great help too. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:29, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Greetings
Hello Delta. I hope everything is going well with you. I just wanted to pop by to say hi. If you ever wish to contact me on Dueling Network, my username is VavvMatsumoto. Once again, take care.
 * <font style="background-color:black"> DED  (Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here)  04:18, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Huge Signature Issues
As this user seemed unhappily with my byte size of signature, I knew you told me this once before (Second Signature ain't helps) that put signature2 in original link would not helping. So to reduce it into small amount of byte, do you think I should create a link then list all stuffs that was sitting in my current Signature then put them up? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:36, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to waste your time...
Hey Delta, there's a little problem in chat right now. A user named M.U.S. is pretty much telling everyone tell to get out and is just saying some pretty inappropriate stuff right now. It's not a big of a deal, but if you can handle it then you have my thanks. (KonaChanFanBoy 17:00, August 16, 2012 (UTC))

Chatban
Why did I get banned? User talk:Collaborate and listen —Preceding undated comment added 16:35, August 21, 2012‎ (UTC)


 * Because you are an alternate account of Cd5464. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:38, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

You ban me because of an assumption? An inaccurate assumption at that. My account name is collaborate_and_listen. I don't have alternates at this time. This is my current account. User:Collaborate and listen


 * The fact that Delta is amazing in busting other users just simply the way they talk. Delta can also check your IP and compare it to Cd5464's, something he hates to do. So don't try to say you aren't. If Delta says you are, then you are. -- E. G.G.  (My Contributions) 16:55, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed, Nexus - IP address never changed unless they are hacker, and I don't think Cd5464 had that skill yet. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:58, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

I was wondering about that once. I decided to look up my ip location. There are two other signals with the same address. The signals all overlap each other though. The distance isn't that far away from the other. It is possible that this cd is one of the other signals. It would be understandable if you keep the ban intact, for I cannot prove I am not this cd. User talk:Collaborate and listen

Use of Personal Pictures?
Is it fine for me to use a personal picture for my user page/a forum page if I upload the picture to another site like Photobucket? Of course the picture would be appropriate, you don't have to worry about that. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  17:19, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * As long as it doesn't violate any copyrights. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:28, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

A vandal
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/69.123.174.7 Pierogi 17:19, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Episode Listings
Just wanted to know: How can I edit the Episode Listings? <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 13:34, August 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * They get their information from the episode pages. You need to edit the episode pages for the listings to change. If the changes aren't immediate, you can add ?action=purge to the end of the url to clear the cache on the page. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:38, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

request move
Duelist Pack 10: Yusei 3 to Duelist Pack: Yusei 3 and Duelist Pack 9: Yusei 2 to Duelist Pack: Yusei 2. thanks you very much. -Lpoi (talk • contribs) 14:29, August 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. And I see you've done a lot of page move work. Do you want to put your name forward on Project:Requests for mover? It could make life easier for yourself. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:44, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * thanks for helping -Lpoi (talk • contribs) 17:34, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Character infobox
Something appears to have changed and its affecting Infobox/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Character. Usually, the "corresponding card" is linked by default. It now has to be done manually, which affects quite a lot of Duel Spirit pages. Was there a Wikia update that changed something? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:21, August 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Since the last update, Negref got disabled. That's a custom extension that lets us put references next to SMW stuff without it breaking. i.e. so we get  rather than  . Staff are aware that Negref is disabled, but haven't switched it back on, so I guess it's incompatible now. I've rewrote some templates so that we can mix SMW and references without needing Negref, but I could only get it to work such that if the input is linked, the output is linked and if the input is unlinked, the output is unlinked.
 * Corresponding card doesn't look like it's ever going to need references, so if you want I could rewrite that particular part of the template to accept unlinked content and link it, but not allow for references. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:28, August 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * That would be great. Either that or Falzar could do one of his crazy bot runs to link everything. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:07, August 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the linked input might be the better option. If there's ever something like Jinzo 7 (character),  could be used, which would be much more convenient than trying to find some other way of including both the card name and page name. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:36, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Monster Reincarnation Gallery Error

 * Due to this fool's editing spree, the card gallery link on the Monster Reincarnation page is now glitched. This is what it shows for me, is it the same for you, and do you know how to fix it? Thanks.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:17, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now we know that these galleries problems aren't a wikia problem. Is someone that is causing this type of problem. This page has the same problem and it isn't the only page. -- E. G.G.  (My Contributions) 20:26, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oddly, it showed blue when I viewed it. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:28, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think I'm getting the same as FredCat. The link works fine for me. I've seen it broken in the examples NexusShiker linked to though. Is the "Monster Reincarnation" still broken for you, YamiWheeler? -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:30, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, seems to be fixed now. I guess it was a momentary hiccup, or maybe Master D's edit of the page refreshed it. Thanks anyway.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:31, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yea, Sénior M brought a miracle to it. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:32, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Like Golden Key said, "Eventually the problem just resolved itself". It seems it is a matter of time that the link will appear blue to me. -- E. G.G.  (My Contributions) 20:35, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see what happened now. DCAUBatman created "Card Gallery:Monster Rebirth" before he turned the page "Monster Rebirth" into a card article. So when "Card Gallery:Monster Rebirth" was created it had Card Gallery page for: Monster Rebirth. Since "Monster Rebirth" redirected to "Monster Reincarnation" at the time, that was the same as saying Card Gallery page for: Monster Reincarnation, so "Monster Reincarnation" had two gallery pages and its card table was picking up on both of them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:43, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. Well, at least now we know which actions to avoid to avoid replicating the same problem.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:45, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh right, now I remember something like this happening on the "Heraldic Beast" page after it was first created. So why did this issue resolve itself quickly when "Heroic Retribution Sword" still has its issue? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:54, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Because the causation of the problems is different. They both happened because there were two galleries whose "Card Gallery page for" was pointing to the same card.
 * In this case Card Gallery:Monster Rebirth was associated with "Monster Rebirth and Card Gallery:Monster Reincarnation was associated with "Monster Reincarnation", but since "Monster Rebirth" redirected to "Monster Reincarnation", they were the same thing. Since "Monster Rebirth" no longer redirects to "Monster Reincarnation", their "Card Gallery page for" properties no longer point to the same page.
 * The "Heroic Retribution Sword" problem is a result of an SMW glitch where older versions of pages are stored separately semantically and as a result appear more than once in queries. In this case, it's a version from before the page got renamed, so changing Heroic Revenge Sword to not redirect to "Heroic Retribution Sword" might fix the link. If it was a version after the rename, changing the redirect wouldn't work. But either way, it won't fix the fact that "Card Gallery:Heroic Revenge Sword" still has semantic data. That will be fixed during the "database repair" that was mentioned before. The repair got restarted I think just over two weeks ago and is currently at 68.2986%.
 * -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:55, August 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * This issue has also happened on a few archseries lists. I could fix the templates to prevent it from happening, but would really rather not since the obviously-screwy links serve as a tip-off that something's wrong. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:16, August 26, 2012 (UTC)