User talk:Deltaneos

Potential image policy change
Hello, there is currently a discussion about changing our image policy at Forum:Potential image policy change. Because such changes are accompanied by a huge amount of work (renaming thousands of files, and updating thousands of pages), we want to make as few of them as possible. Therefore, your input is requested on the proposed change, as well as any comments on other possible changes you have in mind. If you have any questions about the image policy, now is also a good time to ask. Thanks! Delivered by FZ - Bot. You are receiving this bot-delivered message because you are a mover, an active administrator, or recently moved/uploaded a large number of files affected by this discussion. To opt out of potential future bot-delivered messages, please let Falzar FZ know. 07:15, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Since you seem to be the only one online currently and have received the above message.
 * Did you get the orange "you have a new message bar" before I posted now (via account, not bot)?
 * I didn't get it when I tested it on my own talk page, but maybe the bar works by IPs not accounts, so I'm just checking. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:47, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * No. Bot edits don't trigger that notice. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:50, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting, I thought it worked on those welcome bots so I assumed it works like this too.
 * Guess I'll have to manually edit those messages some time later. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:56, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Like Delta said, Your bot is treated as you, since after all, it's your own power. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:06, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think I worked it out. I used the default settings, which apparently had it marked as a minor edit. Minor bot edits don't trigger it. If it is true, it'll work this time. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:11, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, what I meant was if you tried to get your bot respond to you in your own talk page, it won't trigger the message notice at all. It's like Bot is you. I have got the message from your Bot and it worked, which is a virtue. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:29, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * In case you're still wondering, Falzar, I can confirm from personal experience that no IP checking or anything of the sort is used to decide whether the orange "new messages" bar is triggered. Anon edits always trigger it, but minor edits from registered accounts do not (I don't think the account having a bot flag has anything to do with it, though I could be wrong). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:57, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Ushio's name in the 5D's manga
Oh, sorry, I just have volume 1 of the English version. :P I'm planning to buy volumes 2 and 3 as well, but, till I find 'em, I know someone who probably can tell you about this. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:26, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have the second volume... only because of free card. So do you need Ushio's name official in English version? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:45, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, please. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:37, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honestly, his name was never mentioned - only being exist as entrance player and not seen in the duel, until Volume 3. Sorry. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:51, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well then, if you still need it, I can ask Spec (the guy who I talked about earlier) at Neo Ark Cradle. He has an account there as well. If you don't mind waiting a bit, I'll PM him asking. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:40, October 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Patience is a virtue" ordered by Brune Wayne -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:17, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

I have a new account now. And his name is the same in the English anime, Tetsu Trudge. Spectertvx (talk • contribs) 02:36, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Monobook
I have noticed that you had found the remedy for column glitch in Monobook. Can I use this code on my wiki too (I can credit it to you)? Final Cannon  Dyskusja  08:34, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Feel free to use it. You don't need to credit me though. It just pretty much put it back the way it was beforehand. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:22, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

WHat your users have been up to
My name is Mightykiko, I am a user from beyblade wiki and one of your "editors" from here,, entered the chat and started harrassing other users. For example, he pmed me a porn site I didn't even want, he called one of the female users a wh***, and even started picking fights with other members. What has your wiki come to :'(

--Mightykiko (talk • contribs) 07:24, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Please don't call them "our" editor; that editor has never even edited here. If they're giving you trouble on your wiki's chat, I recommend banning them from it. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:25, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have not interacted much with that user, but he has been banned from chat here and on other wikis multiple times and under different accounts. I don't know which wiki he started with, but I'm sure users here did not train him to behave that way. Like Dinoguy said, if he's unreasonably misbehaving, your moderators can ban him. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:32, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed with both Admins, either that user's trolling you or he just don't know the whole rulings. Those troll(s) are anywhere and didn't birth in same place at same times. Do Team Magna and Team Aqua do that way in Pokemon? I don't think so. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  11:56, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * That is exactly why I banned him first time around; harassment. I'll keep an eye out for him. -- Bobbles Talk 12:28, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

thx. Mightykiko (talk • contribs) 20:36, October 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just be sure to banning his IP code, so he couldn't be able to create new account while used same IP code. (If that's possible) -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:09, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Atem's Mother
Though this is not true - it's usually proved that the mother(s) always hold their child after they gave a birth to child(ren). And Atem's father is just right there in front of her (in manga page). I could guess what's in your mind was that she is not really his mother - more of nurse or babysitter, modern words. If not, then what's in your mind? Also, I supported neither your or the one who created that article; only to confirmed the reason why it was there, apparently. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:07, October 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you are right. I was thinking it is possible she is his mother, but it is also possible she is someone like a nurse or babysitter. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:28, October 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * But both can't be proved, as it's just concluding indirect points. But I can't argue if you chose to delete it or change it into different character (rather than being a mother). -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:44, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Booster box images
Hey Delta, are booster box images such as this of any use? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:16, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:19, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

VSTF

 * Hey, Delt. I've been editing the Borderlands wiki a bit recently, and I've come across some stuff I find troubling. I don't know what can be done about it but:
 * They have one admin who has such a vendetta against IP vandalism that he blocked an IP address for a full year in response to a single vandalism edit. His block log is here.
 * The only active bureaucrat I can find types everything in lower-case and locked every article relating to the first game in the series with the summary "Borderlands 1 Lockdown", since he thinks everyone should be focusing on the new game rather than refining that craptacular coverage of the first game. I think IPs should have the option to improve anything they want, not just new stuff. It make no goddamn sense to me.
 * I don't know if VSTF can do anything, but if not, maybe you can pass it along to the right people. To me, these seem to be clear violations. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:02, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I'm not much help. We can't use VSTF stuff to go against the local administration. You can try talking to the administrators or asking Wikia staff to talk to them. I don't have any quicker way of passing the message on to staff, unless it is a spam/vandalism problem. There's no global policies on block lengths or when it's appropriate to protect pages. So they'll most likely talk to the admins, recommend that they do things differently and explain why it's beneficial, but I doubt they will force them to change. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:30, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll contact staff. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:29, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Genesis Crisis' Trivia
I just found the article being deleted three times, one of them was you... So I am curious of why you decided to dismissing that article? Is that just because that was obviously point? If so, it sound like it was an insult in the same way as if it was treated by being destroyed by the effect of "Mystical Space Typhoon" in Tip Article - It's such to be there for a show, which is of course obviously... We all knew that "MST" is very obviously part but the appearance is just different from that. I just like to listen to your opinion before do it immediately. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:51, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * I really should have made more use of the summary box when deleting trivia back then. When I deleted the page it said that the name might come from "Vampire Genisis" and Dark Crisis. That was 4¾ years ago and I don't remember making that exact deletion.
 * I would say you are right and I disagreed with the "Genesis" part because it was obvious "Genesis" was from "Vampire Genesis" since he's the card needed for and mentioned in its effect. Like how if you know the United States Bill of Rights is for the United States of America, you don't need someone to tell you that the name "United States Bill of Rights" comes from the country, the United States.
 * The part about it being named after Dark Crisis, I'm sure was wrong. "Crisis" isn't an uncommon word. It's not unlikely for two things to use it in their names. Also "Crisis" is part of the card's original Japanese name and there is no Japanese set called Dark Crisis.
 * The two other people who deleted it, deleted it when it said that "Vampire Genesis" appeared in the artwork. I would say that they assumed that was too obvious to need to mention it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:42, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh yes, Cheesy and Falzar also mentioned that - "Obviously Stuffs are Obviously" craps. Gotta remember that part. Thank you for point/update that out. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:43, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I never apply "this should be obvious" to cards appearing in the artwork of other cards though. That's one piece of trivia I always retain even it is brutally obvious. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:47, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I must have rang you in here. But yea, if it's only trivia listed there - it should be removing until it get some more various trivia to add in. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:53, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Many trivia pages are this simple, it doesn't need to be removed. Fred, how did you know it had been deleted 3 times anyway? I saw that when I recreated the page, but it doesn't show past deletions anymore, does it? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 16:57, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fred said that before you recreated the page. But a page's deletion log can be viewed regardless of whether the page currently exists or not. It's just easier to spot it when the page doesn't exist. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:40, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Delta's right - I viewed it and was showing being deleted 3 times, Delta was the first one to delete it 4 and ¾ years ago. And it only happening in Monobook skin, which I happened to using right now (thanks to TwoTailedFox). -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:35, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Template:Switch
Hey delta, i was thinking if we can have a template in the wikia similar to this: http://reborn.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Switch. It would be ideal since some (if not most) characters have some "forms" or different identity. Like Yuma in normal and ZEXAL form, Gilag in masked and unmasked form, Shark Drake in Normal and Chaos Form, maybe Kite in Photon and Normal form. Yknow. SharkTenjo 10:07, October 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Possible, yes. Desirable, I'm not sure. It works on the Reborn and One Piece wikis because they have two concrete divisions; anime and manga for Reborn, pre and post timeskip for One Piece. Here it would be different for each character and some may even have more than two. In that case, I get the feeling people would start using it to introduce all kinds of arbitrary divisions. 'A bit like what one user was doing with the "partner" part of character infoboxes until we just removed that parameter.
 * So yeah, it's possible to set it up, but you might want to talk it over with other editors of character pages to see if they want it. You don't have to feel too put off the idea by my uncertainty. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:53, October 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmm was thinking if you could tell people about it. Also what i mean on using this template is similar to the Naruto wikia like Tobi/Obito in which they have different identities or forms SharkTenjo 11:34, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Like Bruno. But the current page seems to be working fine without it.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:43, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is this talking about the article having a multiple information in same place, just like Paradox's D-Wheeler in his own profile? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:03, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yea but i think its kinda more information-wise if we do it like that SharkTenjo 08:35, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would support that idea - as it also show their different looks and different information (one from Season 1, from Season 2, and go on.) while keep the biography same. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:07, October 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Especially Judai since his maturity is something that cannot be unseen SharkTenjo 12:23, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Episode 192 Cast
Can you check if is accurate? WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 06:32, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Japanese voice actors all seem to be correct. I don't know of any reliable sources for English voice actors. I think the middle names "Kenneth" and "Sebastian" are fake. I've never heard of them and the IP who added the English cast has been repeatedly blocked for inserting false information. Even if they are genuine, I wouldn't mention them in the cast list and would say "Joey" rather than "Joseph 'Joey'".
 * The more official cast list can be found in the ending credits. I haven't checked it, but it might include some more minor characters. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:11, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I found a English voice actors source, but I don't know it reliable. I found a season 4 credit list, but not season 5. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 00:49, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * That site's FAQ says that they get their information from "official voice actor websites, resumes, DVD credits and other legitimate sources", so I think we should be safe enough trusting them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:37, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion: Extension of cards by effect properties/no duplicate results for searches
The category's of cards by effect is EXTREMELY useful, but it only covers the base/end result of the effect, not the requirements, or how the effect is applied.

For example, "Overwhelm!", "Proof of Powerlessness", and "Grave of the Super Ancient Organism" all require face up monster of a high level to activate, but as the actual resulting effect is different for each, they don't share any effect catagories. Adding some for stuff like that, or how the effect is applied (Target, all on your side of the field, all on theirs, or everything?), is another example.

A less important but still useful group of catagoeries would be a group of tags or catagoeries describing the artwork of the card. If you are building a thunder deck, it would be useful to be able to have a list of cards that feature electricity on the artwork, as beyond spell and traps, many non thunder monsters do.

Also, can there be a checkbox that makes it so during a search, you don't get the same card 9 times because each page for it (main, trivia, artwork, rulings, etc) matches the search? 98.24.14.97 (talk) 17:42, October 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Dinoguy1000 was thinking about improving that section, but was unsure what people wanted. So you think there should be properties added to group cards by their costs, activation requirements and non-gameplay themes? It's all doable. I'm not sure if the last one will kick off, but I think it would be an improvement over the Billy Deck article.
 * There actually are checkbox es to do that, but it's quite tedious. After you search, click "Advanced" in the left column, then untick everything except "(Main)" and click search again. I'd love to set it to only search "(Main)" by default, but that might be against Wikia's terms of use. If you create an account, you're able to set it so that when you search a card name, you'll be taken directly to the card's page (assuming you spell it right), rather than have to look through the search results. Unfortunately having that as the default setting for everyone is definitely against the terms of use. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:59, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I wasn't even aware that billy deck page existed. I was thinking something more along the tags on -booru sites, but yeah, something like that, though it's missing a few things in existing sections and could use some more. 66.176.140.137 (talk) 20:10, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh! Duelist
So I came across Volumes 4-9 of ''Yu-Gi-Oh! Duelist'' at a used bookstore recently. I just finished reading them. A few questions. There are a multitude of cards that have written names identical to the TCG, but then the characters call them something or add a title to them (examples would be randomly referring to "Summoned Skull" as "Summoned Demon" and Pegasus appending "Relinquished" with, "the Lord of Sacrifices"). Should we list those names using the "altname" parameter, just mention it on the card trivia pages, or something else?

In a similar vein, cards seem to sometimes use their written TCG lore when they couldn't. "Electro-Whip" actually had this, but Mai equipped it to "Harpie Lady" anyway. I have to assume the Japanese manga had the card with different effect. On the same note, we know that "Metalmorph" was "Magic Metal Force", but Keith still called it "Metalmorph".

I'm going to try to get some chapter articles up for the chapters I have access to that we don't have. For cards like "Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon", "Clown Zombie", what procedure are we using? The manga really seems to imply they don't exist as cards, so we list them in "other monsters" in Decklist, right? Ritual Monsters seem to not actually be cards either. "Kuriboh" and "Feral Imp" together were used for "Black Luster Ritual", with "Gaia" seeming to be the one to actually perform the ritual and become "Black Luster Soldier". Similarly, "Jigen Bakudan" and "Winged Dragon" were sacrifices, with "Dark Magician" turning into "Magician of Black Chaos". On the other hand, "Relinquished" was different. "Dark-Eyes Illusionist" and random unnamed thingy were sacrificed, but there was no "performer" for the ritual. "Relinquished" just appeared. Regardless, none of them seemed to be cards.

"Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon" also seemed to not be a card, though I'm not sure if that was due to the Duel Disk Expert Rules or not. I can't check either, the volumes I have had no other Fusion Summons. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:18, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Something the characters call them that isn't actually printed on the card. I think it's a mixture of Viz wanting to use the TCG names for cards, while also trying to use something close to the Japanese names. I put a few of those from the English manga and Singaporean dub in the Card Names pages, e.g. Card Names:Nuvia the Wicked and Card Names:The Snake Hair, but sorta stopped because I'm not too fond of that namespace.
 * Their lore for "Electro-Whip" surprising might be more accurate than one would think. There are some abandoned and rarely referenced early rules. Monsters were split into Monsters and Magic-Users. Monsters had particular elements, which had strengths and weaknesses against each other; Earth > Thunder (sometimes called Lightning) > Water > Fire > Wood > Wind > Earth. Magic-Users were also sub-divided; Black Magic > White Magic > Demon Magic > Illusion Magic > Black Magic. Wind isn't mentioned in the manga and only some of the strengths and weakness are explained. The rest come from video games. In Duelist chapter 4, they explain that each terrain strengthens a particular element; Ocean: Water, Grassland: Fire, Mountains: Lightning, Wasteland: Earth, Forest: Wood. You can see the Duel Monsters article for more information. Since "Harpy Lady" was strengthened by the Mountains, we could assume that her element is Lightning aka Thunder. I can upload a Japanese manga image of "Electro-Whip" and see if I can transcribe it into Google translate.
 * To refer to your original point, they do often use TCG lores rather than manga ones. In which case, I just ignore them and use a translation of the Japanese manga lore.
 * Keith actually used "Metalmorph" (Metallizing Magic Reflection Armor) in the Japanese manga. I think the Japanese anime replaces a lot of the cards, whose effects were changed in the OCG, with similar stuff to avoid confusion (irony?), while the dub usually uses the names from the manga and OCG/TCG. I think you know all the examples; "Mystical Moon" → "Full Moon", "Nightmare Wheel" → "Scratch Wheel" etc. and arguably "Electro-Whip" → "Rose Whip".
 * When using Decklist for manga Decks, I've avoided splitting monsters into Normal and Effect at least before Battle City, because it's too unclear at times as to whether something is an effect or a weird rule. For Fusion Monsters, Ritual Monsters and stuff like "Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon", I've sometimes just added "(not an actual card)" after the name. I proposed adding a parameter for them; Template talk:Decklist, but couldn't think of a decent name.
 * You mean "Griffor", rather than "Feral Imp"? That Ritual thing was inconsistent alright. Although the Japanese lore for "Black Illusion Ritual" is different than the English one. I think it says something along the lines of "a monster with (more than/less than/exactly) 100 ATK" for the sacrifice in contrast to the English manga, which says "two monsters". This could mean that "Dark Eyes Illusionist" was the monster the Ritual was performed on, while the other was the sacrifice, making it consistent with Dark Yugi's two Ritual Summons. To speculate for a minute, if you look at the artwork for "Black Luster Soldier" and "Black Magic Ritual" there's a centre stage for the the monster the ritual is performed on and two containers for the sacrifices. In "Black Illusion Ritual", there's two containers for sacrifices and rather than centre stage for the monster the ritual is performed on, the content of the two containers is being sucked into another container... I'll just upload the Japanese image.
 * Mmm, I don't think any of the Fusion Monsters in the manga prior to GX were actual cards. As strange as the Expert Rules were, I don't think think they would ditch the existence of Fusion Monster Cards in favour of keeping all the Fusion Material on the field. Also the Solid Vision hologram for "Black Skull Dragon" appeared above two cards, presumably "Summoned Skull" and "Red-Eyes Black Dragon", rather than one. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:49, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Right, that's what it seemed like to me. They tried to use both names and it just ended up coming off as poorly translated.
 * Heh, so it was "Metalmorph". The anime really made that more confusing then. I'm glad you told that.
 * That's fair, just using "monsters" seems fine. Would "transformed" monsters work? I think that would encompass most of the cases - rituals, "Metalmorph", Zombies, Toons, etc.
 * Yeah, I meant "Griffor". That lore would make much more sense, but it doesn't help that the ritual itself doesn't seem to be shown unlike the other two. "Relinquished" just kind of appears. That's pretty consistent with your card art speculation too.
 * That Duel was very odd. BEUD counted as four cards, "Polymerization" was kept face-up on his Disk with the BEWDs. He had "Negate Attack" and couldn't draw anything else.
 * I have some time now, so I'll start getting some of the articles up as stubs. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 13:04, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've uploaded the Japanese images for "Electro-Whip" and "Black Illusion Ritual". I should really give the poor guy a break, but I've asked III if he can add their lores.
 * "Transformed" sounds alright, but I wonder about "Harpy Lady Sisters", which was two cards out of nowhere rather than a transformation and "Mystical Beast Selket", which I think came out of nowhere. A few turns after Summoning it, Rishid still had "Cup of Sealed Soul" and "Seal of Selket" in play, but no sign of a Monster Card. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:49, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you want to give him a break, you could ask Ryusui to add them. Or LegendaryAsariUgetsu.
 * Hmmm. Yeah, I can't think of a term that would encompass those two as well. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 13:54, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * For appearances in Card articles, do we need to have both the Japanese and English? "Spell Shattering Arrow" currently lists the Japanese chapter number. Should that be changed to the English numbers using "manga_d" or should that be added in addition to it and Yu-Gi-Oh! - Duel 104 be redirected to Yu-Gi-Oh! Duelist - Duel 045? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:21, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've managed to tackle the lore for "Electro-Whip" and it means something like "Specified monster's offense power goes up by 300.". So yeah, nothing to do with Thunder monsters.
 * I'd say just use the Duelist number. Same with Millennium World. If necessary, we can get the templates to add 59 and 258 to add the original number in brackets afterwards.
 * I see no problem with adding those redirects. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:24, October 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * That makes sense.
 * Will do, Duelist number it is. I may add those redirects if I get exceedingly bored someday, but I can't say its going to be high on my list of priorities. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:26, October 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, Delt, I created a manga section at Maximillion Pegasus' Decks and changed the one at Joey Wheeler's Decks a bit. Can you check to see if I've messed anything up or missed anything. I don't have Pegasus' first Duel against Yugi for the manga, so I'm not sure if there were any other additions there. Also, what was "Wattkid" called in the manga (I have to assume it wasn't called "Wattkid", but I don't know for sure it was "Oscillo Hero #2". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:37, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * You got all of them and yeah, it's "Oscillo Hero #2". "Eye of Illusion" also had a different name, "Eye of Deception". I don't think the Toons were actual cards, but if we're including them in the Decklist, "Dark Rabbit", "Dragon Capture Jar" and "Bickuribox" were also cartoonised by "Toon World" in his Duel against Kaiba. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:36, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I realize they weren't actually cards, but I was unsure whether to list them under "toon monsters" or "other monsters". Even if they weren't cards, they still count as appearances of that card though. Confusing. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:41, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

No outside Card Game Reference
I just got my head smacking by other user in my talk page, is that alright to put in "Pokémon", "Digimon" or "Naruto" in this site as for reference to other card's look and stuffs? He said it was such to be there while I disagreed due to you, Falzar and Cheesy beaten my head in the past about them. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:29, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox (2)
Hi Delta. The infobox on my userpage has gone all funny. It used to start at the top of the page and span down the side of the "About" section, but now it stays above it, and it looks unsightly with all the empty white space. Do you know why this suddenly happened, and how to change it back?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 14:33, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikia changed the behaviour of level two headings to stop things floating next to them. I've overwritten it with the old way now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:55, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool, thanks.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 15:08, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

My Actions
Did I behave correctly regarding this page here? It might be a good idea if you looked at the "Talk Page" too for his arguments. Though I cannot prove otherwise, and his tips are valid, I don't think creating a new page is the right way to go about showing these tips (at least, not under that title, and not in an independent page of its own). --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 15:22, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Still waiting for a response... The page still exists, but the deletion policy has yet to be removed... --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 22:33, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you still think it should be deleted or relocated, you should reply to his message on that article's talk page, explaining why. If there are any other editors who edit tips/gameplay pages who you think might be interested, you can ask them to comment too. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:58, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Konami DB images
Hi Delta. I was wondering, did we want to collect these images (from the Konami card database) for our gallery pages on the Wiki?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 15:44, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * As far as I know there aren't any currently uploaded. Do we want to add them? I don't know. You might be better off asking Falzar or asking in the forums. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:30, October 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Currently, there is exactly one: File:BeastofTalwar-YCDB-JP-OP.png.
 * Idk, the images don't contain any 'useful' information, it might not be worth the effort since we also already have a link to the database. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:28, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

IP range contributions
Is there a way to get a list of contributions by a range of IPs, without using Help:Gadgets, or would that be the only way? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:28, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * CheckUser can be used to get a list of links to contributions pages for IPs who have edited from that range. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:14, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * We don't have either one of those available here, do we? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:24, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you looking to have this done for a particular range or is it something you think you'll need to do frequently? I can probably do it if it's a particular one. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:37, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * For this year, I have about six ranges, with only one recent one. I've been using Special:RecentChanges?hidelogs=1&limit=5000&hideliu=1 and Ctrl+F, but since it takes a rather long time to load and doesn't go back too far, I was looking for alternate methods.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:45, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

IgorThunderMaster
He appears to be using his mover powers to delete redirects he doesn't like - by moving a page to the redirected title, then moving it back to the right title and suppressing the redirect. This is troubling, as other than that, he makes great use of his mover powers - I often leave stuff unmoved because I know he'll get to it soon enough. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:23, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * He is indeed a great mover. As soon as I saw he had learned how to suppress redirects I set him to work on the unused images, and he's put a huge dent in them already. I hadn't noticed he was using his ability to remove redirects, though. He did seem to have issues with some of them in the past, despite numerous people telling him to leave them be. What are some he's managed to get rid of with this method, Cheesedude? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 22:33, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just two so far. Wanted to nip this in the bud though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:41, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've left him a message. We'll see where it goes from here... -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:38, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Loops in wikia js
I tried the same simple loop (your first edit) and I too find that it apparently does not work. I eventually got it working by using, something that I am totally not used to seeing, but it apparently works (See the "See hidden rows" section of my monobook.js) -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:27, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that syntax looks neat. But the loop was fine. It was the JavaScript I had before it that was broken. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:02, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's odd, I'm pretty sure I tried to use exactly  and it didn't do anything until I swapped it with that. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 14:27, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Tears of a Mermaid
I know this was four years ago, but you added that it appears in Yu-Gi-Oh! Duelist - Duel 007. I don't have that chapter, but our article on it makes no mention of it and I don't see why it would have appeared there; it was Yugi's Duel with Haga. Was this a mistake or does it actually appear? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:42, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I assume you are referring to this edit. At the time, I thought I was changing the Japanese Yu-Gi-Oh! number to the English Yu-Gi-Oh! Duelist number, by subtracting 59. But someone else had already made that conversion without changing the name Yu-Gi-Oh! to Yu-Gi-Oh! Duelist. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:38, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, that makes sense. Removed. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:46, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Antinomy
I see what you mean. In that case shall I change the "Divine Temple" headors since the Ark Cradle Arc wasn't actually dubbed? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 23:18, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. Personally, I'd have went with the dub name without thinking too much about it. I would say it depends on whether you're referring to the name of story arc or the location itself. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:39, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just the Arc name itself (It's true the dub called the Ark cradle itself the "Divine Temple", but the Ark Cradle Arc was never dubbed, so the Arc name should still be the same unless it ever gets dubbed). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 15:00, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would call it "Ark Cradle". We don't call season 4 of GX the "Nightshroud" arc, after all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:14, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Inline query error
Please check out the talk page for Yu-Gi-Oh! episode listing (season 1).--Martin III (talk • contribs) 17:07, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Diabound
Was "Diabound" ever stated as a character or was he just a monster control by Thief King Bakura? If he is a character, should I stop adding his appearance? I mean he could be similar to Zorc Necrophades. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 00:51, November 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Really, I think all the monster ka should have character articles, but instead of those articles using card tables, not in addition to them, unless of course they have a card. I don't think that "Diabound (character)" page should have been created. I think the "Diabound" page should either have been converted to a character article or left alone. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:27, November 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see, so how are we going to fix this problem? Should we ask UltimateKirin for his reason to create a character page for Diabound. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 01:49, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Navigation Automatic Addition
When I went to creating a page for Mermail Abyssnose, the Navigation box was already there. Did you done something to the site technology or something? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:57, November 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Falzar wrote JavaScript to automatically add it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:59, November 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see, good thing I am his friend... as you are ^_^ -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:01, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Forced Tildes
Hi Delta. So, I noticed that whenever you edit a talk page, you are now forced to add 4 tildes before continuing. While I think this is a good feature for anons, this is extremely annoying for regular users who want to make a small edit to a talk page, remove something, etc. Is there any way to bypass the 4 tildes message?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 13:11, November 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * See end of Forum:Post signing reminder js. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:12, November 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Awesome, thanks.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 13:13, November 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Seemed like Falzar is starting to see my way. I am glad he stole the pair of my shoes. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:36, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Attack on other Wikis
Hello Delta, it has come to my attention that some members of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia are coordinating attacks against other Wikis, namely the | Bleach Wikia is one of their victims, the members involved are as follows:
 * http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Nutterbutter12
 * http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Big_willynorth
 * http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:TechGenusMasterWA01

These individuals have admitted to the use of multiple accounts and that is also seen in the provided screenshots of the incident, not only this but the talk and attempt of recruiting other members of this Wikia to join in with their attacks. Please investigate this further.

Screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/0TWHu#0

Log: http://pastebin.com/9kx6JP1A

Malicious Software (talk • contribs) 19:27, November 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't mean to be rude, but don't insinuate that they're "members of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia" just because they happen to be using this wiki to coördinate their mischief; we don't condone this sort of behavior, and if you check the contributions of the three accounts you linked, you'll see that none of them has anything resembling a significant edit history here. That being said, there is definitely grounds here for IP blocking, but Delt will have to run a checkuser to get the IPs to be blocked. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:01, November 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, they actively duel other players setting up matches in the chat and talk in the chat to other members on a regular basis everyday, they've also set up their own Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia spin-off for duels and tournaments. And I know that you don't condone this sort of behavior, but what would you rather have me use for their identification "people who use the internet"? Malicious Software (talk • contribs) 21:17, November 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Advice; Track their IP address and you will know them through their mask(s). -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:31, November 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Editors that hang out here" or the like would probably suffice just fine. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:21, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

IP
Sorry to bother you, but could you check this user IP? His post on Vivians talk page seems to suggest it's the same user Falzar has currently blocked (not 100% sure). (If he is) While I understand he hasn't done anything wrong, that still doesn't excuse trying to evade his ban. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 17:48, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I have agreeing with Shard - either that user, who is current banned, have using a hacking to break out the ban or using different computer (in other word, different region) to get away with it. Just keep your eyes on him just in case. Thanks from i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:50, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Kastle rings
It honestly never would have occurred to me to make an article for them, but in hindsight it seems kind of obvious. Out of curiosity, are you watching ZEXAL again? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:51, November 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I haven't been watching it recently. But I stumbled upon two animated gifs featuring the rings; 1, 2 and got curious about them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:42, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Wikia Video Library
Hey there!

I just wanted to reach out and let you know that you have some of the top premium video views on all of Wikia. A lot of your videos aren't embedded in the article pages, and this is something you can use to get more views. In addition, I wanted to let you know that there are more Yu Gi Oh videos at Wikia's Video Library!

Kate 18:25, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance. I hope you don't mind if I'm critical of the feature.

Here are some related discussions: Forum:Related videos module coming soon, Forum:Related Videos, Talk:Main Page. There has been talk of disabling the module.

The videos Wikia have put in the module are old; mostly 8-10 year old commercials for VHS and DVDs. They're not exactly a popular topic. But I see your point; if we put videos in that module, a lot of people will click on them. If we added those videos to pages, people may discover articles that they haven't been to before and we get more page views.

Most videos users have added themselves have been deleted because they were copyright violations, irrelevant to this site, disabled from embedding or deleted from YouTube after they were added here. Going through them can be a pain. There are a few which haven't been deleted and I can't think of many Yu-Gi-Oh! videos that can be used here without breaking copyright laws.

I'm not really a fan of adding videos to articles, unless they add some sort of encyclopedic value. Do you know if there are any usage statistics for wikis that show related videos result in a significant increase in article page views? That might be a reason to give them a chance.

Also, do you know if there are any plans for Wikia using HTML5 videos in the hopefully not-too-distant future? I think it would be much easier to handle stuff that's uploaded locally.

I can't say I've covered everyone here's opinion of the feature. You can start a fourm thread if you want to reach out to more people. If you prefer, I can start one. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:46, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

OCG-TCG card image tag
Hi Delta. Have you noticed the problem with the OCG-TCG card image tag? Even if you put the card's name it gives an "Error: you must provide the name of the card via the "name" parameter!" message. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:18, November 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * It should be fixed. I renamed a whole bunch of properties a couple of days ago, and SMW is being retarded about using the redirects properly. =/ 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:23, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Skeleton Knight Ride 40 info
Yeah, that's the shocking truth. Some scans were posted about it as well in BBS. Such spoilers come in advance 'cause people who subscribes to V Jump receive it a bit earlier (I think one can pre order it as well via Amazon). Happily, that "XYZ龙加农" at BBS does, and always posts scans and spoilers for us mortal ones. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:17, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Deck Galleries
I just stumbled upon the three Deck Galleries that were made sometime back. Are they something to keep? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:03, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was considering suggesting this expansion to character Decks at a later point. I think the Deck galleries might go well with them if we decide to use that format. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:05, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Deep Forest redux
Hey Delt, I was looking at User talk:Deltaneos/Archive 47, and had the thought: might "Deep Forest" be a manga attempt at a Forest Alignment support card? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:06, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now that you mention it, I would say that it near-definitely is. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:41, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Revenge of Rock Man
Apparently, Dinoguy found something that indicates "Rock Man" was indeed intended to be "Giant Soldier of Stone." What do you think we should do, since you made the page? Rod (talk • contribs) 06:01, December 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Creating the page, shouldn't mean I have absolute control of its faith. Do you have any opinion on what should be done? I know about Dinoguy's addition; I had asked him to check that card when we were comparing Shonen Jump and the tankōbon. He suggested trying to contact Anita Sengupta, the English translator for that particular chapter. I'm not sure if that's a possibility though. "Giant Soldier of Stone" appears later in the manga and I just assumed that it having a different artwork and name in the Japanese version meant it was a different card. But then again "Summoned Skull" appeared in the same scene with a different Japanese name than its later appearance; "デーモン" (Dēmon) instead of "デーモンの召喚" (Dēmon no Shōkan). My assumption also doesn't explain why Ms. Sengupta would change it to "Giant Soldier of Stone". -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:45, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Stubborn User
Noting on Adminboard would result as a silly post, so I come to here and inform you about this user ZEXAL - 7, he should stop doing those  because it's just little annoy... as Navigation already covered the link. Note that they are in Artwork Articles if you checked. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:27, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * It looks like you and UltimateKuriboh finally managed to get through to him. He's stopped for now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:39, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Indeed, he threw a bigger rock way better than I did. So it would be less trouble if you and Ultimate kept an eye on him. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:40, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope! -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:45, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh here too! Guess the rock didn't hit his head yet. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:46, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I just contacted him in the wiki chat. Apparently, he didn't notice he had talk page messages. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:51, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, he should have noticing it while he edited those artwork articles. I have noting the message on my when I am on this site, ever after hours of hanging out. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:52, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

ZEXAL II Episode Chart "Deleting"
If you're alright with it number changing, then why is the Delete Banner remained there? If it's not going, then we should peel it off... -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:04, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmation about Toon Monsters
I know this was a long time ago, but I finally concluded that I have figured out this discrepancy(especially after you removed the edit I made on the "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" page). I can just assume that Toon Monsters can dodge or counter attacks that are thrown at them depending on what the player chooses to. Pegasus had his "Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon" dodge the attack of "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" because he wanted to show Kaiba why attacking his Toon Monsters with his own monsters will not work(in reality, Kaiba's "Blue-Eyes" would have been destroyed since it had the same ATK as "Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon", but monsters literally dodging attacks might be a different story). In the case with "Toon Mermaid" and "Celtic Guardian", it was just to show Yugi that his reckless attacks will not work against Toon Monsters(Even though "Celtic Guardian" and "Toon Mermaid" had the same ATK, the former was destroyed because it wasn't a Toon)Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:10, December 4, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
 * Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon dodged the attack, which defined as not "hit" the monster while Toon Mermaid closed her clam shut and allowed the sword to strick on it - which made it counting as hit. Remember the duel between Yami Yugi and Seto as the latter required 5 more stars to entering the castle; Kuriboh populated the field to protecting Yami Yugi and his Celtic Guardian. That's how Celtic Guardian was never damaging until Yugi took over and ordered him to stop, just in middle of his lunge attack that ended just outside the surrounding of Kuriboh Tokens. So yes, "dodge" is complete different story therefore Blue-Eyes White Dragon is a Normal Monster with absolute no effect. "Blue-Eye Toon Dragon" is just literally small size compare to the original form. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  10:08, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Couple Images renaming
If you had a time to read the conservation between me and Goldy; you will know the reason why I came here. So the one image in this article, on the left, should be renaming to correct URL address - such as: "File:SpellbindingIllusionMagician-EN-Anime-DM-NC.png" or "File:IllusionMagician-EN-Anime-DM-NC.png"? (Note: Old image in the latter File Address was deleted recently, so that's safe for me to using that lost link) -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:39, December 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * On a related note, could we add the abbreviation -ST (stone tablet) for images such as this? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 13:55, December 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wasn't that spell called "Binding Illusion"? Personally, I don't see why images of anime/manga scenes that aren't cards/slabs need to follow the same naming pattern as cards. I would have just called it something descriptive of the event, but if you're insistent on using an -NC filename, I'd go with BindingIllusion-EN-Anime-DM-NC.jpg.
 * -ST for the stone tablets seems fine. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:20, December 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * So for Stone Tablet, should I replacing NC with ST or just add it to the link? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:27, December 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Replace it, I think. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:07, December 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done, and they don't have "-NC" in their URL Addressed, so I "added" them in two images, first one and the second. Saved allot of time to straining the details, hm? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:24, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

One-Line Comment
Sound like you're not a big fan of Chuck Green from Dead Rising 2 game, eh? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:02, December 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. I have no idea what you're getting at. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:06, December 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Chuck Greene is a survivor that made a silly and popular-hit one-line comment in the game. I was referring to him when you went and fixed this article. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:22, December 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I get it. Fred's saying that you fleshed out that page's single sentence descriptions, and he's contrasting it to a character from Dead Rising 2's habit of keeping sentences short. :/ --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:40, December 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Or having multiple topics with a single sentence. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:42, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

"Cannot be destroyed by battle, except" VS "Can only be destroyed by battle with"
I'm not sure which one you were in favor with, but after I started editing their lores, I looked at the Japanese lores, and decided to start my way from the 1st Number in numerical sequence. I also decided to directly adapt them after their wording, which is something like "Cannot be destroyed by battle with a monster with a name other than 'Number'." I think earlier before, I tried to say (before the PSCT was reworked again) that "This card cannot be destroyed by battle with non-'Number' monsters." However, the wording was shortly changed afterwards (I don't know who), and so now I think I will present the lore as "Cannot be destroyed by battle except with 'Number' monsters." The other day, I stopped reworking the lores after I reached "Number 22", but am going to revise all the anime ones. Some of the manga lores may be standardized in PSCT lore too, depending on whether or not the English manga translations have already been placed on their pages. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 16:36, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

about new template
UltimateKuriboh told me adminstrators are trying to create a template in your sandbox. Well me and UltimateKuriboh have been conversing over what to do with the parts of cards that appear in the anime that aren't written in the lore. He said my suggestion has a flaw in it(If I write two separate anime lores involving the written one and the anime used one, new users will try and create their own separate anime lores for other cards which was not what the wiki is for). Is there anything about this new template that might help with this problem?Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 01:47, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's possible to add that functionality, but there's not much the templates can do about the flaw you've mentioned. When it's appropriate to add the second lore and what the second lore should be are things that can only really be looked at case-by-case. Realistically, we can't get the templates to detect when someone is misusing the second lore. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:53, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Card search categories
This problem was first was notice by UltimateKuriboh, when he was editing the "Amazoness Arena" and "Amazoness Trainer" pages. The link in the card search categories wasn't working and he try to fix it, but it didn't work. I notice this problem is spreading to other cards that have Monster/Spell/Trap categories, Summoning categories, Stat change categories, and Life Points categories. I wonder if you can fix this bug or glitch. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 07:11, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * It wasn't those particular cards, but yes, I tried to fix the problem with a certain card page (which was about 2-7 days ago). I can also verify that the some of the links in said categories are becoming dead on some card pages as of now, if not all. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 07:38, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * According to the box on Dinoguy's user page, Negref is down. That's probably the cause of all of these problems. We just have to wait. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:14, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I fixed it after reading the above messages. Sorry, I didn't have time to reply earlier. The problem was I'd forgotten to manually add the link brackets to CardTable2 after removing instances of SMWF. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:35, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Although it wasn't the problem this time, Negref has been disabled for a long time now. It doesn't seem to be compatible with the latest version of SMW. I wouldn't put any faith in it ever being re-enabled. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:40, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've gotten explicit confirmation that Negref isn't coming back (the problem IIRC is that the way Cite.php interacts with the parser (or vice versa?) changed, and there's no obvious way to fix Negref to work again), though I think there's at least one Wikia tech/programmer looking at ways to get its functionality back for wikis that need it. In the meantime, I really should remove the Negref notice from my user/talk page... 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:07, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Seto Kaiba/Priest Seto relate
I would just guess that the "trait" passed through the generation of Kaiba until they hit Seto and recreated his look in the same way as Priest Seto did. But that can't be proved, because of "Avatar, the Last Airbender" - the title don't carrying through the blood-relate generation, it randomly pass to next member with different name/power. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:04, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Notes before References?
Really? I've always though it was the other way around, since Notes are essentially a specific type of reference. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:42, December 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've understood notes to be additional explanation, which is too messy to put directly in the article, while references are source material. Following that definition, the notes seemed closer to being part of the content than the references. It's also theoretically possible that a note could need a reference, which would ideally come after it. I checked Wikipedia's format and some (although, not enough I can see now) episode pages here before making the change. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:46, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Beef Buster
Beef Buster needs an image of it on its page. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 05:12, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Main page
UltimateKuriboh said that i have to tlak to you before i made edit to main page so this is my work, http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page?oldid=2272242. what do think should that be layout of main page. Avatarr (talk • contribs) 06:39, December 13, 2012 (UTC)