Forum:X-Saber Beast Deck

Not that great of a deck, but I like it. Basically, I use Axel, Garsem and Darksoul to help me get card advantage. I don't really have much else to say, except any suggestions on how to make this better would be appreciated, just make sure you don't turn it into a generic X-Saber deck. Thanks. SynjoDeonecros (talk • contribs) 14:56, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Please sign your posts with ~. Please read Forum:Deck Guide/General. Saber Hole is worse than Solemn Warning. Torrential Tribute, Solemn Judgment and Mirror Force are very good cards. BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 13:47, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ugh, I did read the general deck guide, and I found it pompous and arrogant, not at all useful for how to build a deck. In my opinion, Saber Hole is appropriate for this deck, and I'm going to keep it, capice?
 * And I've never, EVER had any use for Torrential, Mirror Force or Solemn, so please stop suggesting them in all of my decks, because I'm not going to add them. SynjoDeonecros (talk • contribs) 14:56, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I read it, and found it useful. And why do you not like Solemn Judgment? Its an amazing card, sure it has a hefty cost, but for good reason, it negates almost anything! Dark Hole, going to kill all your monsters and make you lose from direct attacks from your opponent's monsters? Just say: "God says no!". Its a good card, because its so useful and versatile, that's why its limited. Why is Torrential not working for you? I mean Saber Hole is pretty conditional, if your opponent were to destroy all your monsters before he played anything (Dark Hole), then wouldn't Saber Hole be a dead card? Plus the guide was not "pompous and arrogant", it was filled with good advice, that any good tournament player would agree with. However, I won't push my points, I just want to know why you don't like 3 of the best cards ever printed? -- - Shadow Phoenix X ( Talk )  20:36, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * If I may also point out: You pretty much made an X-Saber deck, and only have 3 Synchro Monsters? Add more, there are cheap Level 5,6,7, and 8 Synchros like, Gaia Knight, the Force of Earth, X-Saber Wayne, X-Saber Urbellum, and Colossal Fighter. It's not like Horn of the Phantom Beast becomes dead if you Synchro more than Gottoms. Speaking of which, why no XX-Saber Faultroll, its really good and let's you reuse your X-Sabers. -- - Shadow Phoenix X ( Talk )  20:44, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, you said you didn't want a Generic X-Saber Deck, although that's not going to happen since you have Garsem and other dark horse X-Saber picks, but a Faultroll would just help the deck overall. -- - Shadow Phoenix X ( Talk )  21:03, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Another suggestion I thought of, add At One With the Sword, its a Horn for X-Sabers! -- - Shadow Phoenix X ( Talk )  21:05, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

It's not that I don't like them (though I do find the LP payment for Solemn rather extreme), it's just that I don't NEED them, most of the time; I've managed to do alright for myself with the cards I already have. Not in this deck, since I'm still testing it out, but for instance, with my Tiger deck, I've managed to get along rather well without those cards, quite honestly. I just don't like the idea of using cards that I haven't happen to need, is all.

As for the guide, it's pretty much a how-to guide of what to play and not to play, which I find to read like an elitist wrote it; "Don't play this card, it doesn't give you advantage, play this instead" and whatnot. It just made me sick to my stomach reading it.

And for the deck itself, the first build was supposed to use Axel as a draw engine, using Creature Swap and Give and Take to give the opponent my monsters so I can destroy them, deal damage and draw, all at the same time, but I never quite got it to work that well. Then I decided to use Garsem and Darksoul as an engine, unto themselves, which I haven't really tested yet. I've been batting around putting in a few Emmersblades, as well, but I'm not entirely sure. Faultroll is also a possibility for side deck, if the pure Beastdown X-Sabers don't work, but I want to try and get it to work, first, before I add him in. As for At One with the Sword, I do like the idea, but the problem is that it's situational; can only be activated when there's only 1 monster you control, and it's an X-Saber. In this build, Horn would do better, methinks. SynjoDeonecros (talk • contribs) 23:32, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'm really getting sick of you using the word "elitist". An elitist is someone who thinks that they are better than everyone else. Very few competitive players actually think that. Even the 2010 World Champion has said that he thinks most players can beat him if they really try. I wrote that guide, and I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the best. The guide is just compilation of information that most competitive players would agree on. It is a thorough listing of advice that people would give to newer players. I am extremely insulted by the term elitist, and I respectfully ask that you please stop using it erroneously. Just because you disagree with an idea does not mean it's elitist, it just means that you have a different opinion. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 23:50, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not using it "erroneously", or because I disagree, I'm using it correctly based on what I've experienced with actual elitists. The guide is made up of "play this, not that, because that sucks, and this is a +1", which is a VERY elitist attitude. So sorry if I broke your ego by calling you an elitist for writing it, but in my experience, it sounds like an elitist wrote it, and I'm not going to apologize for calling it as I see it. SynjoDeonecros (talk • contribs) 23:56, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.thefreedictionary.com/elitist The point of the guide is to teach people about competitive play. When it says "do this", it doesn't mean that it's the only option, it's just simpler than saying "you could do this". BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 23:58, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, when it says "do this" it DOES mean "do this", because the other options it mentions it blatantly states NOT to play, because they suck. And in case you haven't opened your eyes and looked at the game from the casual side of things, it IS elitist; it assumes that they know the best way to build a deck, that they CAN know the best way of building a deck, because they play in tournaments and copy off of winning decks and have the money to pay for the more expensive cards for the decks (and believe me< I've gotten my share of cries of "get a job, hippie" when I try to shoot down expensive cards because I don't have the budget for them). And what is it that they almost ALWAYS suggest: Cookie-cutter tournament decks that tey themselves play, because the way they present it, if you don't play the game the way THEY do, then you're an idiot scrub that doesn't deserve to play, and yes, I've met SEVERAL duelists that act like that. That is the very DEFINITION of elitism, thinking they know better than you because of their financial and social standing in the game. I'm sorry, but I'm sticking to my guns here; the article is written in a very elitist attitude, and I'm not going to abide by it. Now can we get back to helping me get this deck working, or not? SynjoDeonecros (talk • contribs) 00:00, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Deck GUIDELINES" Guidelines means "recommended," not "required." "EXPLANATION of Card Advantage" This is a definition, not an absolute statement of what to do. "Card CHOICES" not "Mandatory Cards." "Staples are cards that CAN be run in any deck." "Semi-Staples are cards that CAN be run in just about any deck." "Cards to AVOID" not "Cards That You Can't Run." None of the Deckbuilding Dont's are absolutes telling you what not to do, they are just telling you what to think about when making a deck.
 * I don't see ANYTHING in the guide that is an absolute "do this" or "don't do this," it is entirely recommendations. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 00:11, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to argue this. "Cards to Avoid" sounds awfully elitist to me, regardless of how you spin it, and doesn't "staple" translate to "you need to play this card, period"? Again, this is just what my experience is telling me, and I'm not going to change my opinion. Now shut up about this and get back to this deck, or leave. I'm not going to listen to any more arguing about elitism. SynjoDeonecros (talk • contribs) 00:15, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Let's start with a new slate, guys? When all of you argue, it gets out of hand, and everybody leaves unhappy. Also, not all of Lappy's points are concrete, the card choices can vary depending on the deck, PoA can go into Plant Synchro, even though its listed in "Cards to Avoid", because that deck can load the grave up with monsters. Also SynjoDeonecros, under Staples in the General Guide, it says "Staples are cards that can be run in any deck." and the same goes for Semi-Staples. Now let's all drop the issue, and continue this conversation in a civil manner in the Improvements section. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  00:56, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Improvements
Firs, thank you DarkAce for obliging my request to move on from the elitist argument. I really appreciate it.

Second, as I've said before, I haven't really had any need for Dark Hole/Heavy Storm/Torrential Tribute/Mirror Force, except in select decks, and while this is still an experimental deck, from what I've played of it, I don't see them being needed in it, either. I do have a few Emmersblades from today's sneak preview, and I could put in some At One with the Sword in lie of Horn of the Phantom Beast, but other than that, I'm not sure what else to do with this deck. As I said, originally I wanted to make Axel the main draw engine of this deck, but I didn't have much luck with that, so while it's still in there, I'm mainly focusing on Darksoul and Garsem for the engine. I want to try and focus on the beastdown aspect of the deck, so I don't want to use Faultroll unless absolutely necessary, but other than that, I'm really open to anything. SynjoDeonecros (talk • contribs) 01:06, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, in the decklist above you have Dark Hole and Heavy listed as cards, or is that a typo?
 * If the Axel engine isn't working, take it out and add the Emmersblade.

-- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  02:15, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's a typo. I dunno what other Spells to use, though. And I might replace them with Emmersblade, I haven't decided, yet. SynjoDeonecros (talk • contribs) 02:24, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Why not add in 2 MST and 2 Smashing Ground, yes MST is a staple that most people run, but I think its better than letting yourself have no form of S/T destruction, other than Dark Bribe. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  02:30, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

I made this:
 * Try this? -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  02:45, November 7, 2011 (UTC)