Forum:Flip Flop Frog

I've been wondering if this is allowed for all monsters that have a similar effect like this.

If you normal summon Flip Flop Frog, then activate its effect to flip face down. Can you flip-summon the same monster? In the Flip Summon page, there's a line that reads "A flip summon is a manual position change, which is limited to one per monster per turn."

What if it was special summoned by Substitoad, then flip face-down. Can I flip summon it?--Xsamuraizx 19:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)