Forum:Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon questions.

I was looking at stuff regarding Thunder King Rai-Oh, Solemn Judgment, and the like, just to have something to read, but I became somewhat confused. I thought I had a pretty good grip on what they can and cannot negate in regards to special summons, as that is something that comes up alot in duels with my Dragon deck. However, I stumbled across the ruling that Dark Simorgh cannot have it's special summon negated because the effect that summons it starts a chain. Noting the similarities, I brought Red-Eyes up next to it, and the only difference I can notice is the specification on Dark Simorgh, which is of course nescessary due to it having two separate, similar effects. So, after searching around for a bit, I think I'd like to ask some for some clarification:

1. Does Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon's self-summoning effect start a chain, like Dark Simorgh does? It makes sense, but I'm sure my duel buddies would look at me like I was insane if I told them they couldn't Solemn Judgment it without some sort of confirmation.

2. Does Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon's dragon summoing effect start a chain? I'm pretty sure it does, so Solemn and Thunder King don't work, right?

Of course, I know Opression and Warning work fine, it's just these wierd ones that get touchy timings that are confusing me. Thanks in advance! 75.49.13.162 (talk) 06:00, July 11, 2011 (UTC)