Talk:Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia/Archive 7

The archtype navigation templates
What happened to them? they seem to have been deleted from every page, except for the ones about the archtypes themselves. They were a very cool feature of this wiki. -- SGP 05:38, January 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * ups, I just read the post that is just above this one.... sorry for this.... (well, not above this one, its the one above the one that is above this one, but you know what I mean...)-- SGP 05:45, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Support Glitch
I've noticed how Archetype lists have a ridiculous amount of cards listed under the Support - Anime/Manga section. I'm not sure how this happened, but it seems quite strange. Can this be fixed? Raisengen (talk • contribs) 18:52, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's being worked on. You can find more information at Forum:MW 1.16 + SMW update. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:54, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

A bug in Chrome
Recently I started using Chrome 9 and I've noticed that when editing, I can't see the editing toolbar. I wonder if anyone else has that problem and if yes, is there a solution to it. Thanks. Fluf (talk • contribs) 11:08, February 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Noob question: What's the editing toolbar? If it's the help thing that was on the left side, telling you how to do things, it's not on mine either. Shrev64(Talk • Contribs) 02:47, April 22, 2011 (UTC)Shrev64

Content Missing
There is an awful lot of content suddenly missing from the main page, such as the latest manga chapters and anime episodes, and the tabs that let you select characters articles from past series. Is this because of the tsunami? Or a revision in progress? --68.125.110.81 (talk) 01:45, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikia staff is working on it. There's some sort of glitch going on and they had to remove some of those templates to work on it. There's nothing anyone here can do about it right now. Same goes for any redlinks you see on card pages. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:03, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * More specifically, it's because they weren't cached properly (MediaWiki extensively caches the rendered versions of pages so that it doesn't have to rerender the pages on every page load). Cast was also causing uncached hits to the server backends - a pretty big problem when it happens on one of the most-viewed pages on a wiki.
 * Explaining more generally what a cache is, is rather difficult, since it doesn't really have any close real-world analogs... I guess the general concept could be somewhat comparable to buying a copy of a movie on VHS, DVD, or Blu-Ray, as opposed to just watching it in theaters or on TV. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:32, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, we're working on getting the latest episodes & other elements removed yesterday back up. Dinoguy1000 got the gist of it right from my comments (thanks!).
 * Here's some additional techy explanation for those of you that might be interested: We're going to re-work the TabView extension to use jQuery instead of the older YUI library.
 * The problem resulted from a mix of two things: (1) a bug in TabView that prevented proper caching and (2) the use of fairly heavy SMW queries embedded into TabView. This problem is not unique to yugioh, but you guys are probably the biggest wiki (in terms of traffic) effected by this, and so the first wiki we noticed this on.
 * Estimated time for the fix to go live is late Wednesday evening (UTC) or early Thursday.
 * Be on the lookout for my edits on the main page. ;) --TOR 18:54, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * If it hadn't been for your comments, I probably wouldn't have known any more about it than Cheesedude, truth be told. ;) Always nice to hear stuff like that is getting attention. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:19, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello guys. ShadowGamer here. I made new account due to the circumstances. I have a question. What will be better when this new jQuery goes into play? And what will that new system be different then the older YUI library? --Scourge The Hedgehog (talk • contribs) 00:59, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello ShadowGamer, what circumstances are you referring to? None of the problems discussed in this section have any impact on your account, so you should still be able to log in.
 * Probably, there really won't be much of any improvement from the perspective of a site visitor. jQuery and YUI are both Javascript libraries, but jQuery is newer and is being actively developed (YUI may also be actively developed, actually; I really don't know); it also allows for somewhat cleaner, more cross-browser code to be written with much less effort. I'm hoping this also marks jQuery being deployed for Monobook; it's already enabled on the Wikia skin, but that seems to be it so far (or am I just ignorant? =3 ). 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:40, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thnak you Dinoguy. That made it more clearer. And the circumstances... well, lets just say that it was sibling disaster. It is a family talk so I wont go into details, but lets just say I had this fight with my pesky brother, and my brother is only 10, but he hacked into my account and made it unaccessable from my computer. Lol. --Scourge The Hedgehog (talk • contribs) 19:32, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's been a few days since the expected time for the fixes to go live. Is it okay if we re-add the tabview stuff? -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:44, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Is there a reason why we can't just use the old code? --68.125.110.175 (talk) 23:35, March 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * You mean, why can't we continue using YUI? Because jQuery is actively maintained, that means it has bugfixes and features that YUI might not. In addition, AFAIK, jQuery allows for simpler code than YUI does (simpler code is better because it's easier to spot errors in it). 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:13, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Why did we switch over in the first place?--68.123.111.20 (talk) 03:32, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * We had no role in the decision to switch over. That decision was made by Wikia's technical staff, and most likely occurred/is occurring across the entirety of Wikia, and not just here. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:19, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

And it's all back. A little late, for which I apologize, but we did tackle the issue and fixed it. You'll notice that the tabs should now also react way faster than they did previously. Just an added bonus. ;) Thank you for your patience and understanding and again – sorry for the inconvenience. Happy editing! --TOR 01:39, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

What Happened?
What Happened to the Latest Episode Box? (69.81.44.134 (talk) 14:52, March 17, 2011 (UTC))


 * See the above section. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:05, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yugioh ZEXAL bug
When Tetsuo's name is clicked, I am re-directed to Haru Tsukumo's page. —This unsigned comment was made by 99.51.188.141 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reporting this. It's fixed now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:49, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sept 4, 2007
Just noticed that it's red link, should it be removed or create new article that would be link for Tinzo? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:57, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Starter Deck 2011
Hi everyone, I was wondering when SD 2011 would release. It says on the main page that it will come out on May 31st, but I couldn't find a such date. Could someone please reply with the link(s) where this info can be found? Thanks! Shrev64(Talk • Contribs) 18:34, April 30, 2011 (UTC)Shrev64

I do not really know what you are asking. The info is right here: "" Or, if this is not what you are looking for, you can reask the question a more... understandable. Hope this helped. --Scourge The Hedgehog (talk • contribs) 04:27, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

ZexaL Character Highlights on main page
Does anyone else think Akari (Yuma's sis') plays a bigger role than Haru (their grandma) in the series?! Fuel Synchron (talk • contribs) 17:59, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

New Card Text
So, according to this and this Konami is overhauling a lot of their terminology and such. Should we note this in the Current Events, or change the card text to match up, or just not work at all? --174.55.48.236 (talk) 01:21, May 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * We don't need to update card lores until revised versions of the cards are actually unveiled/released, but the overall change definitely needs to be noted, and should probably get its own article - how does July 2011 Card Effects update sound for an article title? (that's a general question for everyone reading this, not just the anon OP specifically) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:27, May 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think updating the card lores need to be huge priority anyway, as long the redirects still exist. And no, that title isn't right. It needs to be July 2011 card effects update instead. <_< On the same note, I'm shocked; I actually like the new wordings. Also, we need implement this in a way that makes sense. We do not need to change all the text in anime/manga articles. The English dub/editions used the old terms, so so should the articles (same deal as how we still call Spells Magic in DM articles). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:47, May 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * So do I; "banish" is so much easier to work with than "remove[d/s/ing] from play" (both in understanding card effects, and in linking). Also, just so everyone knows who wouldn't otherwise for one reason or another, this is also being discussed in the forum at Forum:New Keyword Errata. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:51, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

JS tabs
I'm sure most Monobook users have realised that the tabs on this page don't work properly in Monobook anymore. This happened when Tabview was updated. I've been told that Wikia have no plans of updating it to work in Monobook. Would anyone else be in favour of switching to Tabber? It's a bit different, but works in both skins.

This is what the Main Page looks like in Monobook and below is what the characters section would look like if we switched to Tabber.


 * -|ZEXAL =
 * -|5D's =
 * -|GX =
 * -|Yu-Gi-Oh! =

-- Deltaneos (talk) 13:22, May 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * They sorta worked, so I never noticed it. Instead of switching tabs, the characters just appeared under it. If tabber works as intended for both skins, then the question should be why not? as in, what is a down side to using Tabber?
 * (On another note; ever since (I think it was) broke, I was wondering how tabs worked.) -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:35, May 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware of much disadvantages. There's a few differences for the minority who disable JavaScript or use the wikiaphone skin.
 * If you have JavaScript disabled, both display wrong. Tabber produces each item in a list without tabs and Tabview changes the tabs to links. When you click a link it shows you the content of the tab like this. Depending on which fallback you prefer that could be an advantage or a disadvantage.
 * The wikiaphone skin (for people accessing Wikia on their phone) works better with with Tabber than Tabview. Tabber displays properly (kinda) and Tabview displays the same as if you had JavaScript disabled. I think there's another phone skin, but I can't remember its name.
 * 'Not sure what you're saying in your last line. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:02, May 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree, if it works in both skins, switch to it. On the other hand, it looks to me like we could get TabView working properly in Monobook again with the proper CSS and JS (depending on the details of how TabView actually works, JS may not even be necessary), though it would obviously be prone to breaking if the way TabView works is changed in the future. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:35, May 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Would you know how to go about fixing it with custom CSS/JS yourself? -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:05, May 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I could probably fix the appearance by stealing from the Wikia skin and tweaking as necessary, but I'd be much less confident if any Javascript is in fact necessary. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:08, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

ZEXAL Characters On Main Page
Should it not be one of Tokonosuke/Takashi/Cathy shown in the front page instead of Yuma's grandmother? I fail to see the logic in putting Yuma's grandmother as one of the main characters. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 21:18, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Template:Cast/Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL was made back when the series started before it was clear which characters would have the biggest roles. Back in May it was also suggested to replace Haru with Akari. I'm in favour of having it updated if people more up-to-date than me on ZEXAL can say who should be on it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:32, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Akari and Haru are both equally unimportant at this point. Out of Tokunosuke, Takahsi and Cathy, Takashi has appeared the most at this point, though he's also had the least Dueling time, with Tokunosuke having had the most. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:44, June 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * How does one edit the ones that are on the main page? Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 02:18, June 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's transcluded from Template:Cast/Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL. -- Deltaneos (talk) 02:33, June 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've switched Haru for Takashi (because he's gotten the most screen time of the 3 candidates), and re-arranged them by the amount of screen time they've gotten, which is how the other 3 series seem to have been arranged. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 04:00, June 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Could we get a different image of him? (Preferably uploaded under a different filename.) The other five ZEXAL character images just show mainly their head and shoulders. His shows his entire upper body and looks out of place when put next to the other five. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:34, June 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've been looking. It's hard to find a good shot of him without the Anime44.com logo in the upper-left corner. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 00:01, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

50,000 articles
We're creeping up on having 50,000 articles. Should we add some sort of recognition to the Main Page when we reach this milestone? -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:18, June 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * It seems like we should. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 21:45, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Latest Sets - Generation Force Picture
This picture is definitely the OCG one, but it seems we've acquired the TCG picture of the booster as well (as shown on the GENF page) So why isn't the OCG pic replaced already? I know we don't allow fake images (except for token monsters) so that can't be a reason... If nobody objects I'll change it to the TCG pic in a few days. LordApocalyptica (talk • contribs) 02:58, July 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * All the other latest set pages use the OCG image because they were replaced with a newer OCG Booster Pack before the TCG version came out. For consistency, I'd say we either use OCG images for all the sets or update all the older ones to the TCG image.
 * Two somewhat related notes:
 * I think all the fake Token images need to be replaced with image of them from video games or an image of their hologram from the anime or manga.
 * Photon Shockwave is to be released in four days, so it will soon be replacing Generation Force in the latest set section.
 * -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:49, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Didn't EXVC's Latest Set image reflect the TCG image though? Maybe I'm just having a bad memory, but I was pretty sure that we'd used TCG pics plenty of times. LordApocalyptica (talk • contribs) 02:24, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * The token card images are fake? I thought Konami did release some actual token cards that can be used. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:37, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not all token images are fake. It's just that token images are the only fan-made cards allowed (preferrably only if an official token hasn't been printed by konami yet) 24.101.100.233 (talk) 13:24, July 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, all the latest sets are currently using using the Japanese images. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:59, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Should the latest sets be changed to Photon Shockwave? —This unsigned comment was made by Tommy2215 (talk • contribs) 11:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * On the 16th. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:20, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Uh, can the latest set be changed it now? LastMinute (talk • contribs) 23:21, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, done:    :Latest set/Photon Shockwave. Feel free to improve, if necessary, I guess. But don't make it too long since it's placed in a small area on the Main Page. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:55, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Formatting problem
None of the lists of cards are showing up, in the top down format or in the bland list format. Could someone fix this please? Its affecting the entire wiki


 * It's because SMW is down. When its back up, everything will be fine. Until then, all we can do is wait until the Wikia techs fix it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:39, July 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * The webpage it links to seems to be fine. Is the program's sever not the same as the webpage's? Mattwo (talk • contribs) 11:18, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * SMW as used here on Wikia is separate from the SMW website. It is an extension that the devs can switch off when needed. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:35, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Problem with list cards
All list cards don't run, It's read : This page relies on the extension Semantic MediaWiki. If you are seeing this notice that extension has been disabled and this page may not display correctly. (refresh) Who have an answer ?

By Pieroshadow 31 July 10:09


 * You've answered your own question. SMW is down. As mentioned above, everything will be fine when it's back up. We just have to wait. The Wikia techs are working on it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:13, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

User:FreelancerRaiko
Hello. My Name Is K.O.L.O and we need help on the Wiki Chat. The User:FreelancerRaiko is abusing this chat. From time to time, when no admin is around Raiko, will go on a rant. He questions our intelligence, harasses us, use profanities, obsanities, and down right attack us for the smallest of things. Up to know we dealt with it. but this is the last straw. I have evidence of what he says and does. I dont want to be a tattle tale, but enough is enuogh. We are 10-19 year old being down right attacked. He's gone too far. Here's a sample of what he's said" and play fucking card game? guess what dumbass? it's so you stop being a dumbass!thats what an adult does!are you that fucking retarded?" I believe you will agree with me after you read what he's said. I'm not the only one who can vouche.Is there any Admin or ChatMod that can help us with this? K.O.L.O (talk • contribs) 06:26, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Would you be able to show us a record of the entire conversation? We can't really take action without seeing the full story. Also you shouldn't be using a Wikia account if you are under 13 years old. See the terms of use. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:26, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, We Can Show You A Full Record. Not Just What Raiko Said. And The Age Was An Estimate Range. The Actual Range is Probably 15-19. But Yes, We Can Show You.K.O.L.O (talk • contribs) 00:49, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

New Featured card suggestion
I had an idea for the next featured card, I thought that since there have been 2 new monsters featured who support the new xyz monsters, an anti xyz monster, namely Galaxy Eyes Photon Dragon would be interesting. —This unsigned comment was made by 65.49.137.138 (talk • contribs) 20:54, August 14, 2011


 * I think I am agreeing with this user, since Generation Force is releasing in TCG by now. And also, for you - IP# 65.49.137, please be sure to sign your edit with four tildes at end of your comment each time you're posting in either Forum or Talk page, so we can know who's that comment belong to. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:58, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you don't mind, I can do the nescessary edits and write the article for the featured card, does it change at the beggining of every month? —This unsigned comment was made by 65.49.137.138 (talk • contribs) 23:42, August 15, 2011


 * There is no set schedule; it's basically whenever someone feels like doing a new Featured Card write-up. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:07, August 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * can someone please make the page, I tried but did a terrible job, I think someone who knows what they're doing better should create the article. —This unsigned comment was made by 65.49.137.138 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the to be un-Forbidden "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" would be a very good choice. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:11, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * If no one else has chosen to do it, I can write something up on BLS :) IonCharge (talk • contribs) 16:40, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

This has to be deleted or changed...
"Following the announcement of the TCG rule change which states that monsters used for Xyz Materials are considered non-targetable cards "on the field", "Tour Guide" can now be used to tutor "Sangan" - a useful little critter (pun intended), who can then be Detached and gain his effect, allowing you to search for the most popular monsters in your Deck. This has become an invaluable engine for several Deck Types, allowing Plant Decks to search out "Lonefire Blossom" and "Dark World" to search out "Fabled Raven", among others."

This has to be deleted or changed. Sangan or any other "Field to Grave" card can no longer gain it's effect cause of the Official TCG Ruling about Xyz Materials. SoulRipper (talk • contribs) 10:48, September 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * It should be changed; with a mention that there was a ruling reversal. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:33, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Im just wondering that from the cards released for structure deck 22 are going to give dragon a chaos metagame bolstered by Envoy of the beginning, or am I raising my hopes up. Also I've looked at recent tournaments but haven't seen anyone big finishes with gishki decks, why are they suddenly all over the metagame? Finally I think Levair the sea dragon should definitely be the next featured card, it's allowed players to manipulate low level banishment like never before, look at what it can do in an infernites deck!

--65.49.137.138 (talk) 00:45, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Related wikis
Since the Main Page isn't a place where anyone can post free advertising, I think there should really be some discussion before posting other wikis in the "related wikis" section. This wiki was added without discussion. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether or not it should be included? -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:45, October 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not particularly fond of it being there. That said, I think it should be put to a community vote, at least that way, the folks here can give an affirmative "yay" or "nay" to it.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 23:54, October 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I should agree with TTF, it don't really belong there. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:58, October 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see any compelling reason to have it there either... There are literally hundreds of YGO-related wikis just on Wikia; anyone wanting to add a random "related" wiki to the Main Page therefore has to satisfactorily answer the question "what makes this wiki so important/special/unique?" 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:36, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Talk Pages aren't exactly being used properly.
This is mostly a problem only with infrequent users, but it would help to clean up talk pages that are used often.

I really think it somehow needs to be reinforced that talk pages are not for rulings/deck help/other stuff questions. We get a lot of ruling questions on talk pages that never get answered. Would it be possible to somehow implement a sort of intermediate page/ for this? It would mostly say something along the lines of:

"Talk pages are for discussing content and information only. If you have a query on a ruling, a question on an effect, or other playing matters, please post it in the Rulings Forum instead. If you are asking for assistance with using this card in a deck, please post your plea in the Deck Help Forum. You will get a much quicker response when posting in the forums."

I imagine it having a "Go to Deck Help Forum," "Go to Rulings Forum," and "Continue to Talk Page" button

Nicholas Ranayhossaini (talk • contribs) 02:16, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Talkheader ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:34, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Protection
Don't you think you should lock this page, so only sysops would able to edit it? ---109.92.211.79 15:59, November 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nah, it doesn't get nearly enough vandalism to justify the protection (even if there was more vandalism, though, we'd probably just semiprotect it). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:54, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Photon Shockwave → Order of Chaos
title says all. But to make sure if someone doesn't understand. change the latest set to Order of Chaos, if I knew how to, i would, but i don't. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 03:38, December 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's created now at Project:Latest set/Order of Chaos. Feel free change anything you think is inaccurate or add anything you think is missing, as long as it doesn't make the section very long. If you want to update the set yourself anytime in the future, there's instructions at Project:Latest set. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:49, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Information for Featured Card
what kind of information, does it needs for a card to be on the Featured Card?-- Shiker the Phoenix King  and the King Emperor (Talk) 23:20, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Main Characters
how do i change the list of main characters on the main page character tab box?DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 09:34, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Before you go changing it, can I ask what it is you want changed? -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:53, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * i would like to update the list of gx main characters for season 4.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 23:43, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * More specifically which characters do you want changed? Since different many people have different ideas of who should be listed, it should be checked to see that people generally agree before the change is made. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:01, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * i want to take aster off because he was only a main character for season 2 and would like to add blair because she was offically added as a main character in season 4 to replace jesse.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 00:07, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Aster had a far larger role than Blair did overall though, which is the criteria I feel we should be using to determine something like this - overall importance. Misawa is important in Season 1, but is unimportant overall. Aster is important in two seasons. Blair isn't ever important. Removing her would have no impact on the plot whatsoever, beyond a bit of character development for Marcel. That's it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:13, December 31, 2011 (UTC)