User talk:Durango95/Archive01

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Greek anime
Do you know if there is a Greek dub of the anime? -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:13, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Only for the first yugioh series and the capsule monsters. GX and 5D's are not dubbed yet and as far as i know, they'll never be... --Montechristo95 17:21, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * You probably don't remember this but you left me a message abt 4-5 months ago asking whether there is a greek dub of the anime or not. Back then I replied to you that only the original Yu-Gi-Oh! series and the capsule monsters have been dubbed. Well I was wrong. It appears that there was a greek dub of GX running for abt a year now without me noticing it. The first GX season has already been translated. Just letting you know abt it. --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 19:50, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Cool. Thanks for letting me know. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:54, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Dark King of the Abyss
Abt the Dark Ruler Ha Des. He got better, then he faced Dark King of the Abyss and defeated him once again. Ultimately the dark king returns and remains a loser. You might want to add that part in your story. Anyway congrads for paying attention to the card details and artworks... I thought I was the only one... Montechristo95 02:06, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for helping me with the rebirth aspect of Dark King of the Abyss, I was actually editing the part with Dark Ruler Ha Des's revenge, but thanks anyway. Gotenks (GT) 02:23, February 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. Just one more suggestion: where you say friend, you can replace it with Mind Trust.


 * I choose to put Mind Trust were i put followers instead. thanks I gave you credit on helping me. Gotenks (GT) 02:37, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Emissary <--
in your first deck, in the monster section the link to Gorz the Emissary of Darkness doesn't work. Bad Spelling of the word Emissary I guess... you might want to fix it...--Montechristo95 22:09, March 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow. It took me some time until i finally spelled him correctly, but I think it should be fine now. Thanks for that! (that was an unsigned comment made by Finris on 00:18, 5 March 2010)


 * uh yeah sure no problem at all. just one more notice in your second deck in the spell section Mystical Space Typhoon
 * sorry if i'm becoming annoying...

RE: Dedication Through Light And Darkness/Trivia Sector
I'm not quite sure I see your point of view... I mean it's a notable and worth-mentioning fact... After all it's the Trivia sector dude, relax a bit...


 * To me it isn't, and I'm sure it isn't for a lot of other people. And even though it's called a Trivia section, it isn't worth mentioning every single little thing.PoirotH 20:17, March 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * You are the only one trust me. In the trivia section you mention everything that's TRIVIAL abt the card. Next time, think before you revert correct edits. I won't continue this. But remember: You DON'T know everything.


 * And I suppose you do?PoirotH 04:04, March 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * At least, I don't delete correct trivia for ridiculous reasons...


 * First of all, that wasn't deleting. I just removed it like any other user could. Secondly, your reason for putting it there is equally ridiculous.PoirotH 15:42, March 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK sorry abt "deleting". But I'm more than sure that you are wrong and that's why i disagree with you. Anyway this is getting nowhere so I'm ending it. From now on I will be more careful with my edits and I suggest you do the same with yours.--Montechristo95 20:22, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * (sorry abt the earlier unsigned posts)

Hi there
(Γεια χαρά)! Your translations are pretty accurate. Do you have any blogs or user pages other than that so that we can talk about yu-gi-oh or other stuff? Lon3wolf 22:23, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * At last a greek!!!!!! How are you doing? Have you been editing here too? Coz I hadn't noticed you! No, I don't have a blog, do you know any?


 * I'm fine thanks :D Well, if you are registered in any sites like tcgplayer or tradecardsonline I can PM you from there. Lon3wolf 23:14, March 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * actually no... never heard of them... but I could create an account I guess...

Dude what a childish joy I had... And why didn't I sign my posts damn it?!? --Montechristo95 14:15, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Could you help me?
There's a card called "Lightning Punisher. I really like that card and I posted an approximate greek name. However it is rather unsatisfactory. I wouldn't disturb you with sth so trivial but I saw that this card is in the list of your Followed Pages and I thought you might be interested in checking it out.

How are you doing btw?

P.S. Sorry forgot to sign...again --Montechristo95 21:08, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi there! I'm fine, what about you? Actually, I follow every page that I've kinda messed with, so that I can check whether there was a problem with my change or something. But you're right, I'm interested in checking greek names and making them the most accurate possible. I've thought of 2 translations for Lightning Punisher. Check the article to see one of those two and tell me if you feel it's ok. Lon3wolf 23:47, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw your name. I also thought abt this translation when I was editing the page but I was in some kind of dilemma; the punisher is called "Lightning" or he uses lightnings as a way to punish? Also does lightning refer to some of his characteristic?... Anyway the current translation is quite good and im fine with it. I'll try to think of an even better one if that's possible. My translation was very periphrastic but I wasn't sure abt either it's correct or not to use the current one but since you agree I'll just live it that way. I'll also ask another greek user who translates card names and maybe he can help us too. I know I sound rather hysterical...yeah I do all that fuss for a card name. Thanks for your help!

Glad you r fine. And don't worry abt the followed pages I do that also. --Montechristo95 08:47, May 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * You don't sound hysterical at all. Actually being devoted to any "goal" of some sort is something you should be proud of. I was glad to help. Let me know if you want some more help on another article. Plus, if I find a better name for the punisher I'll tell you right away. Lon3wolf 13:06, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

I really appreciate it dude... --Montechristo95 14:19, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello! My name is Montechristo95 and I'm from Greece. Your translations are very good and I thought you might would be interested in checking out my page. I've done many translations and I would really appreciate your opinion on them. Ευχαριστώ! --Montechristo95 21:15, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * -Χαιρετώ- Montechristo, i know you put quite an effort in writting all these translations -well i guess the game itself won't ever be officially translated in greek- but still you did an amazing job. I'm kinda lazy myself but i'll look forward to your work, see ya! --Ianus-kun 11:14, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey you have done a pretty good job too! Thanks btw. It's nice to get credits for your work once in a while. Yeah I agree the game will never be translated in greek; shame, although judging from the terrible work they have done regarding dubbing the series, it may not be a bad thing after all. Anyway, like I said, glad to meet another greek user! Τα λέμε! --Montechristo95 23:50, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ianus-kun excellent guy. However, I haven't heard from him for quite some time now... Hope he's alright --Montechristo95 14:22, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Mangafox
'''That whole conversation started when I left a comment on the Talk Page of the Yugioh manga requesting a link to a site from where I could download or read it. That guy was kind enough to reply to me in my Talk Page. --Montechristo95 20:18, June 25, 2010 (UTC)'''

They've got a few of the items on Mangafox. Don't go onto the forums though. It'll change you. (Don't add sig)


 * Dude you r the best. All the stuff is there. You saved me from countless hours of vain web searching. Thanks A LOT! --Montechristo95 21:27, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ur welcome.


 * Well, from now on, Mangafox doesn't host the Yu-Gi-Oh! series anymore. They were removed due to copyright infrigement. So, searching for the stuff once again. Damn it..., I think I'll go buy it. --Montechristo95 23:40, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Out of respect for his request, I won't add his signature and he'll remain anonymous. Please don't go searching in my Talk Page's history to find out his name. --Montechristo95 14:26, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism
Ummm...hi. Look, i wouldn't bother you but this is very annoying. Could you please consider blocking the user with the IP adress 94.64.72.78? (sorry don't know how to create a link with an IP adress) He has vandalised almost all the monsters that belong to the Lightsworns archetype. He has replaced the greek names with offensive words in greek. Generally, the lightsworns have fallen victims to many vandalisms regarding the greek names. I know this guy hasn't edited a thing for a long time but still, it would be better this way. Or maybe you could post a request to stop to his Talk Page --Montechristo95 22:40, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's really no point in blocking it. The IP was only used once for half an hour to vandalise, almost a month ago. IPs are usually only blocked for just long enough to make the vandal go away, which has already happened. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:03, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, i guess you are right. I'm gonna tell ya if the guy tries anything funny again. Thanks for your response. --Montechristo95 23:07, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Template:Approximate name
Hello Montechristo95, I noticed that on your userpage, you say that one of the things you do around here is translate card names into Greek. If this is something you're still doing, are you aware of Approximate name and, if so, do you use it? It's extremely useful in the long run to track what card names are only approximate (or, perhaps, "unofficial" would be a better term... hmm...), since it lets editors know to keep an eye out for the card's official name, if YGO media is officially licensed in that language. Thanks in advance! and if it's not too much trouble, could you reply here? =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 21:49, June 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi got your last message. Actually, to tell you the truth translating card names in greek is the ONLY useful thing i do here. I used to add lores and trivia too but i kicked that habbit. Anyway, i'm aware of the Approximate name template or whatever you call it. I have used it several times. But since it was a bit boring adding it all the time, i chose to offer this sentence as an edit summary: "Approximate greek name added". I thought it was pretty much the same and if someone wants to change or even revert my edits then he knows all abt them. Plus, lately i added a new section in my user page where i list all the names who have been loosely translated. I know most people don't give a crap abt them but who knows maybe someone could be interested. If you want me to add the "approximate name" thing each time i think it's necessary, then yes by all means i'll. After all i want my transaltions to be a 100% accurate. (yeah i know that's impossible)


 * In fact, the YGO series have already been translated in my language. Keep this between us; the translators did an awful work. Besides, i'm sure the game itself will never be translated in greek. I'm only doing this to help people who don't speak english so well. Aren't I a good Samaritan? LOL


 * BTW, what did you mean by saying "reply here"? Look, if you meant my Talk Page then i'm really sorry i replied here. I wasn't sure what you meant that's all. (dude, you have like 100 links in your signature!)


 * P.S. In extreme cases i've also created pages under the link card names where i give the literal translation. --Montechristo95 23:12, June 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * If adding it doesn't bother you too much, I'd appreciate it; otherwise, I can just use the list of cards on your userpage, as long as you keep it up-to-date. =)
 * Exactly what parts of the franchise have been translated (e.g. which manga/anime series, and what chapters/episodes of them, etc.)? This would help in coming up with a list of cards which *should* have official Greek names (I've got no comment on the quality of the Greek dub; if you say it's bad, I'll take your word for it ;) ).
 * Yep, "reply here" = "reply on this (your) talk page". Don't worry too much about it, it's easy enough to copy your replies over; I just asked because I prefer keeping discussion together (it comes from working on Wikipedia for so long). =) As for my signature: I don't think it's particularly many; there's one to my userpage, followed by one to my contributions, then one to a page which helps with displaying the Japanese characters in my sig, and lastly one to my talk page. It's actually pretty standard compared with other Wikipedia sigs, but on here it probably is kind of link-heavy. =)
 * It's no problem if you've created a Card Names: page for a given card, since Approximate name automatically links to that page if it exists. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 23:28, June 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course there is absolutely no problem with me adding the "approximate name".


 * As far as the manga is concerned, none of the chapters have yet been translated. When it comes to the anime, well, the first yugioh series has been dubbed. The same thing can be said for the capsule monsters. Season 0, GX and 5D's have not yet be translated. Now, abt the cards, well there are a few which have been correctly translated. Personally, i haven't watched the greek dub since i was 9. But i do remember some cards with characteristic names and i have been adding them. (although, some times i disagree whith the greek name given by the dub. i do it so that the rest of the greek fans don't get confused) BTW, yes you can rely on my word abt the dub. It was so awful, that the YGO franchise didn't have the expected succes in my country. I guess that explains why the other series were never translated and the ygo games is considered a games for little kids...


 * Sorry, i have never edited Wikipedia and i rarely visit it. If the sigs are that big well ok. It's a trivial matter after all. Didn't mean to put you through all that trouble copying my response.


 * Didn't know that! Hey that's cool! Oh boy i have A LOT to learn abt this wiki... --Montechristo95 23:50, June 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * All right, thanks, that'll help out. =)
 * So Yu-Gi-Oh! (first season anime) and Yu-Gi-Oh! Capsule Monsters have been translated and released in Greek, but nothing else has, and probably ever will be, right?
 * Like I said, it's no problem copying your response, and don't worry too much if you don't know much about Wikipedia (or, for that matter, this wiki ;) ). If anything, in fact, feel free to ask me should you ever need help with anything; I can probably help you out, or point you to someone who can if I can't. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 00:18, June 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Glad to be helpful.
 * You summarised them very good. sigh..i'm a chatty person
 * Currently there isn't anything i need to ask. But anyway thanks for your offer i really appreciate it. --Montechristo95 00:26, June 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem; happy to help. And don't worry too much about being too chatty; I frequently find myself talking too much as well. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 00:29, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hi there!
Thanks for your edits so far. You are being very helpful and i really appreciate it. However, are you sure abt Dandylion? I saw the name you gave... i dunno but dandylion sounds more like a lion flower to me... --Montechristo95 09:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it surely is an approximation, one of the many, in one aspect i think it's right, the word i gave derives etymologically from the french word dandelion < dent de lion. i also like the "epic" feeling i get from such neologisms. However if you happen to find one more appropriate word, feel free to make a change. Ianus-kun 10:07, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dude, judging from what you write, i assume you are an awesome person. I won't change a thing. Thanks again for your help you rock big time! --Montechristo95 10:37, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Arcana Force
I recently created this page: Card Names:Arcana Force 0 - The Fool. I added some info i found regarding the word "arcana". I want to know if you are ok with it. If you are, should I add it to all the arcana monsters' card names pages? Plus, am I allowed to add the source of the info? --Montechristo95 11:08, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure. I don't use the Card Names namespace much. I think it was only made for documenting names that aren't listed on the card article and translations or notes for both official and approximate names. Definitions, I think, still go in the trivia pages.


 * I see no harm in adding citations, as long as they're sensible. e.g. The Oxford Dictionary would be a good source. Small name or publicly editable websites wouldn't. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:48, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dinoguy1000 added links to this site. Is it ok or should i create another link? Btw do you really believe I should put it on the trivia page? --Montechristo95 20:57, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wiktionary's not a primary source. Like a lot of wikis, it's good for looking stuff up, but it isn't proof. I think he added that as further reading rather than a source.
 * Normally I would post that on the trivia page, but since it applies to the entire "Arcana Force" series, not just individual members, I would mention it on the "Arcana Force" article. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:18, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, in that case i'm gonna remove it from the card names page and add it to the main article. Thanks for the help! --Montechristo95 21:22, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I intended the Wikt links as further reading/more info. It's not the first time I've added links to Wiktionary around here, either; personally, I think we don't link to Wikipedia/Wiktionary/etc. often enough here. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 23:49, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wiktionary huh? Nice site, i didn't know abt it. --Montechristo95 08:24, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Approximate card names
First of all, hello! I, like yourself, I believe, am Greek, from Crete. So χαιρετώ! (The rest of the post will be English though, and your translations have led me to believe you are very good at it!) It was decided some time ago in a forum thread with Deltaneos (admin) and a couple of translators, myself included, that card names that do not derive from the official translated anime are approximations. Of course, not all translators use that, so in general you can tag it as approximate or not and it won't matter, but it is better to clarify if the name appeared in the anime or not. For instance, Curse of the Masked Beast did appear in the anime as "Κατάρα του Μασκοφόρου Θηρίου" so no point in tagging it as an approximation. Crevice Into the Different Dimension on the other hand didn't appear in the anime, so we should tag it as an approximation. I did not correct or tag the translation with the intent of insulting or doubting you, I'm trying to follow policy and improve translations where applicable (most of the tranlslations you've produced have been excellent, good work!). I hope I have not offended you in any way, and believe that we can co-operate to translate many more names during the summer (something I intended to do for awhile). If you have any questions, feel free to ask me in my Talk Page. --Darth Covah (Talk | DeckZone | Binder) 21:02, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Γειά, εγω ειμαι απο την Πατρα. Anyway, I saw your page, projects, translations and i also saw the edit you made. Look, I wasn't offended in any way, so relax. I reverted it because i thought that adding the Approximate template to that card would be pointless. I don't think it's very smart if we flag as approximations all the non-anime cards that's insane. Plus, it's been a while since i last watched the greek dub and i don't remember all the name given. To tell you the truth, i never really liked it but that's another story. Of course i want to work with you, i can't translate all the names by myself. I think that's obvious. Actually, I intended to leave you a message today but i forgot. (ηταν και τα καλλιστεια σημερα καταλαβαινεις!)

No matter however since you left me a message. I have already contacted two other greek users who have helped me several times with my translations. They are Lon3wolf and Ianus-kun. Great guys, you should talk to them too in case you haven't yet. Yes, you'll definitely need my help coz i see you are busy with other projects as well. You might wanna see my user page. I've added a section with names i can't translate or i've given them very loose translations. Feel free to edit them. (και μην ανησυχεις δε θα προσβληθω!).


 * Sorry for the approximate name but i prefer to add it to card names which have not been translated very well. It's better this way dude. Now abt that discussion you had with the translators, what can i say. I wasn't invited, although i suppose it took place before i joined the wiki. I'm a relatively new member... Anyway, i know Deltaneos and i have asked his advice many times but he never mentioned this discussion. (και πριν αρχισεις παλι να ανησυχεις, οχι δεν εχω προσβληθει που δεν μου ειπε κανενας γι'αυτη!) I started translating coz I REALLY WANTED TO DO STH USEFUL here and it was the only thing that crossed my mind. I used to add greek lores and trivia too but those edits weren't exactly what you would call successful...


 * Τελως παντων sorry αν σε κουρασα. Μακρυγόρησα πολυ αλλα αυτο ειναι το στυλ μου. Αν με αφησεις να μιλαω για ενα θεμα δεν μπορω να σταματησω με τπτ. Χαρηκα πολυ που σε γνωρισα αληθεια, φαινεσαι πολυ ενταξει τυπος. Μη χαθουμε. --Montechristo95 23:12, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. Maybe we should ask Deltaneos about it, it'd suck if we had to go back to every translation of a card not in the anime and tag it as an approximation. Lots of unnecessary work. But I guess it's not important, especially since the anime didn't even finish airing. Anyway, it was good meeting you too! Και μην ανησυχείς, και εγώ μακρυγορώ πολύ συχνά... And I'm looking forward to our co-operation! --Darth Covah (Talk | DeckZone | Binder) 23:21, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was sure you would see the logic in my words. I think if a translation is that bad we can add a comment or a definition to the card names page. I don't know what Delta will say but there's no way i go back adding the approximate name. To think i intended to look at the list of the approximate greek names and see if i can improve them... Yes, yes i'm looking forward to it too. (τη συνεργασια λεω). I also want to add the greek names and i'll start oficially this weekend when i'll be free from all those godamn exams. (παω Γ γυμνασιου καταλαβαινεις). --Montechristo95 23:28, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello Darth Kovah, I hope you don't mind me butting in here... =) If you look around some, you'll see that I've already talked to Montechristo95 and Ianus-kun about tagging pages with approximate names (though Ianus-kun hasn't replied yet). I also wasn't aware of that discussion you linked to, but it doesn't really look like it got anywhere - just a few comments, and then it died. In any case, though, it would be cool if you're willing to tag pages as you add approximate names to them, but don't worry about tagging those which already have approximate names - I can set up a bot run to tag them automatically; I just need a list of cards which *do* have official names (since the list of cards without them would be much longer...). Thanks in advance! =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 01:05, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't mind you butting in, but I did mind you misspelling my name xD. Yeah, the discussion did reach a dead end abruptly to be honest. I do add the "Approximate" tag whenever adding unofficial names. As for other cards that need the tag, and the bot, well it is a good idea. However, I'll have to find some way to get a hold of the Greek dubbed anime (which stopped being produced at some random point) and get the cards as well as the official names. That will be a big pain - maybe more than it's worth. But I'll see what I can do about it. I'll keep you posted. --Darth Covah (Talk | DeckZone | Binder) 01:42, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, sorry about that - I was typing from memory, instead of looking up two inches at the page name. ;P Don't worry too much about the list if it really does look to be too much trouble; as long as I can find out which episodes *were* produced, I can still hack together an approximate list of cards which *should* have official Greek names. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 06:20, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh c'mon guys. Sorry if i am becoming a jerk but really i don't see the point. You mean that each time we add a name we have to call it an approximation just because it wasn't mentioned in the anime?!? But very few episodes were produced and therefore the cards which were "correctly" translated should be very few. Dinoguy1000, no offense but i think you make a fuss for nothing. I suggest we create a list of card names which have been loosely translated. You guys talk abt the dubbed version like it's totally correct... --Montechristo95 10:59, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not about the dubbed anime being correct, it's about the translations being official. Policy dictates we should tag unofficial translations as approximations, regardless of how good they are. It's wiki policy, and we should follow it. I know you regard your translations highly, and so do I, for that matter, but this is not about us, but about informing others. Take yourself out of the equation, and try and look at it objectively. By tagging the translation as an approximation, you don't say "oh, I suck at English, so I'm gonna say that my translation is an approximation lulz". That's the wrong thing to think! You should understand that you're helping increase the amount of knowledge in the wiki. Even something as simple as tagging can go a long ways. --Darth Covah (Talk | DeckZone | Binder) 13:33, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever. I totally disagree with it but damn i have to do it. If that's the rule then OK i'll abide by it (until someone sees the obvious error in it and changes it). I don't take it personal if that's what you mean and i am not proving myself by adding names. I do it to help others you know, just like you, i hope. From now on i'm gonna add the approximate name template to each and every card i translate.
 * Sorry, but i don't remember all the cards that appeared in the anime, i hope i won't make many mistakes. Could you please tell me whether season 5 was dubbed in greek or not coz i can't really remember right now... And perhaps we need to talk abt a common translation to certain Archetypes of monsters so that we don't change them every now and then.
 * I apologise for my constant objection, didn't mean to offense any of you guys. Hope we can still work as a team. --Montechristo95 21:16, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll try and get a list of Greek dubbed episodes. Cards that appear in them will have official translations. 99% of the cards don't have approximate translations. As for common translations for archetypes, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Personally, I translate names starting from LOB and moving to the next booster. So named archetypes don't come up for a while. However, for some names (such as Junk, which can be translated as "Σκουπίδι" or "Παλιοσίδερο"), whoever translates first gets to put their translation down, and if another translator disagrees, then we can discuss it. Deciding on the translation of all archetypes beforehand would be too laborious. --Darth Covah (Talk | DeckZone | Binder) 22:41, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * As you wish. Feel free to ask my advice if you need anything. (man this section is geting pretty big!) --Montechristo95 23:01, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Reading your above comments, Montechristo95, it appears your biggest problem is the use of the word "approximate" in the template - this is something that has also been bothering me for awhile, and for the record, the word predates the template - when I created it, I was merely copying the wording I saw in 99.9% of cases ("approximation" has been used in every case I've seen; the variation mostly comes from punctuation and styling, with very rare changes in the wording of other parts of the tag). I have actually been considering starting a discussion in the forum on whether there is consensus on changing it to "unofficial"/"not official"; I guess I should go do that. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 01:13, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Created - see Forum:Approximate name - "approximate" or "unofficial"?. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 01:26, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

editing τα λατινικα ονοματα σε καρτες
My name is Montechristo95 and my goal here is to translate card names in Greek. I saw your edits and I can see that you are attempting to do the same. If you really want to help then you should learn a couple of things abt translating. You keep adding the names of the mosnters with greek characters; that's wrong so stop it. Plus, whenever you translate card names which have not been mentioned in the anime, you should add the Unofficial name template. Prefer the official translations given by the greek dub and not those of your own. --Montechristo95 14:04, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

And one more thing, I'd highly appreciate it if you prefered to leave me messages in English so that the rest of the users could understand our conversation. I disagree with the card names given by the greek dub too but it's the rule; we should add those. --Montechristo95 14:08, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * καλησπερα. ο λογος που σου γραφω ειναι επειδη παρατηρησα οτι αφηνεις σε καποια ονοματα λατινικουυς χαρακτηρες ενω τα μεταφραζεις. απλα πιστευω οτι θα επρεπε να μην αφηνουμε λατινικους χαρακτηρες εφ'οσον ειναι να μεταφρασουμε σε ελληνικα, καθως η μεταφραση τοτε θεωρειται ελλειπης. επισης, παρατηρησα οτι στον saggi the dark clown, αντι να κανεις την σωστη εληνικη μεταφραση, προτιμησες να βαλεις το λανθασμενα μετεφρασμενο ονομα απο το ελληνικο ανιμε.
 * απλα σου κανω αυτες τις παρατηρησεις για να γινεται σωστα η δουλεια μας. δεν νομιζω οτι το να μεταφραζουμε με τα ονοματα του ανιμε ειναι σωστο. πχ θα βαλεις δυναμη του κρανιου στο summoned skull?
 * μετα τιμης
 * Bassted


 * ok sorry for the greek, and i'm glad to know that you hate the greek dub too. but the fact that you're leaving english names in greek translation is wrong. if you think that it isn't wrong then i have a question: why don't the arabic(for example) users leave english names in their translations? i believe the translation should be exact and correct. as for the dubbed names, ok sorry i was wrong but again, the translation is too lame...


 * All right look. Don't ask me why the Arabic translator prefers to do that. You should ask him not me. Secondly, how can you be sure of the spelling of those names? --Montechristo95 14:18, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * i can be sure of the spelling by thinking of every name in greek. almost every english word has its roots from the greek language. like armityle. αρμιτυλος. its like translating from greeklish. also, you should translate not only by the meaning of the words but by the meaning of the whole name.


 * I don't know if every word has it roots in the greek language. It's possible. But still i can't rely on lucky guesses and give a fictional name just because i think it comes from a greek word. --Montechristo95 14:26, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * and i'll say it again: that is not complete translation. and if you insist, what about behemoth? its a word that has a greek translation? where's the problem with that?


 * For the last time, the monsters' names should not be translated in greek. Except of course for cases like Athena or Splendid Venus. Now regarding Behemoth, tell me your source. Name a reason why it should be translated like that and i'll accept it. --Montechristo95 14:33, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * cause every dictionary i know and i searched translated behemoth as μεγαθήριο. a source is this page : http://dictionary.in.gr/


 * It is just a metaphor. A rough approximation. You can't add that for a name. --Montechristo95 14:38, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * yes it is a metaphor but the behemoths belonged to the mythology. so they are refered as a metaphor cause they didnt even exist.


 * Tell me sth; how many people here do you think they might know that? If you wanna add it that badly then visit the Card Names page or the Trivia Page. --Montechristo95 14:43, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * its not about teaching history and facts its about translating under the rules of our language. if you dont understand the difference i suggest that you close your pc and go read something. you should listen to what others have to tell you and always appreciate their opinions. also you should always listen to what older people tell you. they know some things better and they have experienced more things than you have.


 * You went too far. If you have a problem with me then I suggest you contact an admin and tell him abt it. I do what I think it's correct and I justified to you why. And one more thing, if you are such an old man, then it's you who should go read a book instead of causing trouble in a Yu-Gi-Oh wiki. Got that gramps? --Montechristo95 14:55, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I noticed that you ignored my advice abt adding the Unofficial name template. You should know that it's against the wiki's policy to do that. If you keep doing that, I'll keep reverting your edits no matter if they are correct or not. --Montechristo95 15:04, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * someone older than you is someone that was born a second before you. im not a gramps. also i dont have a problem with you. i only want to have the correct translations in the names of the cards. im in the yugioh world way before you learn about it. and one last thing from me to you (cause i see that speaking to you is useless since you re so stubborn) : if you think that you are doing the right "job" check out how many people go after you and change the names in the translation similar to mine. so who's the correct and who's the false one?


 * If you think you are correct then take all those "excellent translators" and discuss the matter with an admin. --Montechristo95 15:06, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * none of us is an excellent translatir you know....including you


 * Who is the stubborn one now? And I mean it abt the Unofficial Template. --Montechristo95 15:10, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Changes
I noticed your edits. Look, instead of changing the correct translations i give, you should try translate some other cards which don't have a greek name yet. --Montechristo95 18:16, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look, i'm not hear to troll or vandalize or anything like that. I DID change some of the names you gave because they were wrong or could come up with more accurate translation that yours. For example, Skylla's spelling (Σκύλλα) is not debatable. It needs 2 "λ" and there is nothing either of us can do about it. "Σκυλα" means "female dog", while "Σκύλλα" is the famous sea monster of greek mythology. Translating tuning as "κούρδισμα" and spawn as "ψάρι" is silly when there are mor e accurate translations. Solitaire is a famous game called "πασιαντζα" in greek. Synchro means "συγχρονισμος" while tuning translates to "συντονισμος". Greek is an extremely rich language so think hard enough and you can always come up with the right word.
 * Thanks for your time and I apologize if I offended you. However, next time,DO bother to consider my changes before undoing them. --RabbitUp 18:26, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just because you think you're right, doesn't make you right by default. Do you seriously try to convince me that there is a dictionary that translates spawn as fish and solitaire as lonely?? Can't you just admit you're wrong?? Also, Skylla need 2 "λ" no matter what you think. . If you keep undoing my edits without even reading them i'll do the same. --RabbitUp 18:40, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * You can search in each dictionary you want. I'm correct. You didn't offend me you just annoyed because you make trivial edits and sometimes wrong. And be more careful next time you leave a message. (damn look what you did to my talk page!) --Montechristo95 18:30, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and abt the other names. I'm adding the official translations given by Google. I know greek is a rich language but let's not enter in a synonyms contest ok? --Montechristo95 18:36, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you actually speak Greek?? I'm 19 years old and lived in Greece my whole life. I speak Greek fluently and don't rely on google or another shitty translator to do my job for me. --RabbitUp 18:43, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just don't mess with him. Or you will deserve some bans, like Grouch-Boy and I had before. Forgot it, as Google is more official Translation than Wiki. --FredCat100 18:44, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * No damn i won't let him do whatever the crap he wants. Just because he is a naive morron doesn't mean i'm gonna go easy on him. The guy is a F***CKING vandal and i'll speak to the admins abt blocking him. --Montechristo95 18:46, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * And i don't give a damn whether you are 19 or 56 i'm 14 and i speak both english and greek way better than you. --Montechristo95 18:47, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure you do. Look I don't know you, you don't know me. I don't swear and try to have a conversation with you. You won;t even accept your typos and just keep offending me. I would contact the admins, but I find it silly as I don't try to get anyone banned. You do a very good job translating card names and I applaud you for that, but try to admit that sometimes even you are wrong. I don't vandalize, I used my real email to create the account and I'm only here to provide greek names. --RabbitUp 18:57, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

(this is where RabbitUp leaves a message to FredCat100's Talk Page and the "discussion" is transferred there)


 * First of all I don't really know who you're, but since you bothered posting in my talk page I figured I should at least reply to you. Look, if I was here to vandalize I wouldn't bother creating an account here. Second, since when disagreeing with someone is bannable?? Montechristo keeps translating spawn as fish and I change it back. If we're to have a greek translation, let it be the correnct one at least. Finally, montechristo is a 14-year old with a google translator, I'm 19 and speak Greek fluently. It's only natural that translators sometimes err. --RabbitUp 18:52, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * You are not a vandal but you are annoyingly obstinate. I proved you wrong several times today. --Montechristo95 18:56, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why don't you provide a link that proves you're right then? I know for sure that solitaire is card game using a normal deck of playing cards, so I used it's greek name. Could you please provide a link that proves solitaire is a synonym of lonely and should be treated like that when translating the card's name. Also, can you prove that your Skylla spelling is correct. I did a google research to be sure and guess what? "Σκύλα" is the female dog, while "Σκύλλα" the mythological beast. --RabbitUp 19:17, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just go for Admin, instead of argue with each other. You're more polite than Montechristo, yes, but it's no point to fight over site for that simple name. --FredCat100 18:58, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I already contacted Deltaneos. Maybe he can do sth for this guy. Btw, sorry for my manners. Honestly, i'm not used to that kind of language but i did mind you butting in our conversation. --Montechristo95 19:00, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why are you even here? This is FredCat's page. Please come over to my page if you're interested in continuing the conversation. Sorry FredCat100 :(  --RabbitUp 19:06, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

(this is where FredCat100 is left alone and we return to our Talk Pages for the remainder of this friendly conversation)

For once u r right. Fredcat has nothing to do with this. Btw did you check the google translation page for all the names you violated today? If you did you would know that i was correct abt Skylla and Solitaire. Abt spawn, well, my only mistake was that i translated as fish. But your translation was wrong as well since you translated only as "γονος". --Montechristo95 19:11, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm more than willing to collaborate with you. Your "I'm always right, just because" attitude, on the other hand, is a bit counter-productive. --RabbitUp 19:17, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * oh really well guess what i do the same thing. plus i collaborate with other greek users as well. please don't promote the age issue; it's a poor argument. I already contacted the admins. They'll probably not block you. Btw sorry for the offending language, I'm willing to be blocked myself for it. --Montechristo95 19:14, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * .


 * Solitaire really means "πασιεντζα". But in that name it was meant as solitary. Did you read "The magician who plays solitaire"? Collaborating with you would be good, but unforuantely you should sometimes double-check your work. --Montechristo95 19:26, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * oh and one more thing; solitaire in french means lonely. --Montechristo95 19:33, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's just...why would they name the card "Solitaire Magician" if it was to be translated as "Solitary Magician". I just used the more accurate translation I could come up with. Neither your nor mine were flat-out wrong, anyway. --RabbitUp 19:20, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm aware of it's french translation, but the game itself was named like that because it the only card game you can play solo. --RabbitUp 19:21, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * He plays solo. So he is lonely. Can't you see the logic in my words? --Montechristo95 19:41, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yours was literal. Mine was an approximation. The second one sometimes is better. And i still haven't heard your apology for the rest of the mistakes you made today. Did you check my link? --Montechristo95 19:39, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's where we disagree. I prefer a literal translation, only choosing an approximate translation when the card name makes use of word tricks or proverbs/saying only relevant in the english language. Translating a word already existing in the english language by referring to its french root is wrong IMO. As for the link you provided; why would you link google translator? I know where to find it, thank you. Google won't teach me spelling anyway. Also, agrees with me in the case of "spawn" and "skylla". Unless you show me proof I'm wrong, there is nothing to apologize for. --RabbitUp 19:47, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Spawn is translated as "γονος ψαριου". I said "ψαρι" you said "γονος". The translation could be "ερπετικος γονος ψαριου". Κουρδισμα is the only thing that comes up when you enter tuning. Abt Skylla, well ok i was wrong. When you translate names, you should have a more complicated way of thinking rather than giving the literal translation. Here is an example: Pulling the Rug. Does the literal translation apply to this case? --Montechristo95 19:54, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Google is not the voice of god or anything. Sure it helps you find the right word when you're stuck or you just can't think of an appropriate word, but using your own head is not a crime or anything. Google has the same limitation any A.I. has. I can definately see your logic with "Solitaire Magician", which by the way I think she's female but that's not relevant. However, why stretch it out like that, when an accurate translation is both existent and makes sense in Greek. As for spawn, yes, spawn can refer to fish eggs/offsprings, but it's not limited to fish. It can also be used for reptiles and other animals. Since the Reptilianne Archetype focuses around reptiles, why not going with the generic term "γόνος"? Finally, google translates tuning as "κούρδισμα", refering to the practice of tuning musical instruments, which in greek translates as "κούρδισμα μουσικού οργάνου". Since tuner monsters are clearly not musical instruments I followed this logic when translating the word: tune is translated as "τόνος/μελωδία" so using "τόνος" as its translation, I came up with "συντονισμός". Finally, both tuners and synchro refer to a natural phenomenon, which occurs when waves of the same frequency co-exist. In greek this phenomenon translates as "συντονισμός". --RabbitUp 20:12, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look abt Google. I'm translating things by myself too but in some cases you should use it for a difficult translation. It won't hurt your pride or anything. Secondly, the creatures in the card's artwork looked like offsprings of a serpent but they were inside the water so i figured out they were fish. Thirdly, tuning in the Yu-Gi-Oh universe is when a number of monsters tune together to form a strongest one. That sounds more like "κουρδισμα" to me. In addition, i'm not sure whether the magician is a guy or a girl; that's not our issue anyway.


 * Finally, stop translating the monsters' names with greek characters. It's annoying as hell and you can't be sure if its spelling is correct or not. If you wanna add some facts abt the name (e.g. that Behemoth means μεγαθηριο) do so by adding it to the card trivia page or the card names page. --Montechristo95 20:23, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, about pulling the rag, a literal translation does make sense and is coherent with the card's image. The card describes a situation, when, in a traditional japanese house where floor tiles are used, someeone pulls the a floor tile as soon as someone enters the room as a practical joke, resulting in the second's fall on the floor. Your translation can also fit to the card's effect, too, so no need to change it or something. --RabbitUp 20:39, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Behemoth is an ancient beast, first described in book of Job (Το βιβλίο του Ιωβ), a book of the Old Testament. Reading the ancient greek translation of the book, the oldest I could find, the beast's name was "Βεεμώθ". I consider it to be an official translation, but you mileage may vary. --RabbitUp 20:41, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * sigh....fine add it but at least make an explanation notice in the card names page where you mention all the stuff you just told me --Montechristo95 20:43, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

And finally the conversation ended (luckily without the need of Deltaneos' help) I have to say calling him was a rash decision... --Montechristo95 15:18, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Anger Issue
Temper, my friend... you sound like Grouch-Boy with all those cuss. I don't think Admin will approve that with those behavior of your if you kept it up. Rabbit should better off not doing those and just sit there. --FredCat100 18:49, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know sth? You should mind your own business. I just can't let the guy violate all the greek names in existence.

(btw i know your cockfight with the other guy, who won?) --Montechristo95 18:51, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, why not ask Admin to check the correct translation. So lay off the behavior of your please. --FredCat100 18:57, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * And again, just don't using cuss. As they're common know as bad behavior and Admin can consider of you as spammer and Rabbitup as not. So be careful in future, alright. Anger don't always win all of the time. --FredCat100 19:00, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's good, if there are trouble like this again, just go to Discussion page instead, as they can decide which is which. No need to blast at each other. --FredCat100 19:23, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I already contacted Deltaneos. Maybe he can do sth for this guy. Sorry for my manners. Honestly, i'm not used to that kind of language but i did mind you butting in our conversation. No bad feelings ok? --Montechristo95 19:02, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * And also, thanks for comfort yourself back to calm mode. I am glad that you talk this out with Rabbitup. --FredCat100 20:48, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah yeah i'm pretty calm right now. I'm also beginning to have second thoughts abt calling Deltaneos. Well, you know the thrill; i was correct as usual. Well in the most names that is. --Montechristo95 20:53, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Still, get Admin for translation helps. I have see that you both had long discuss over there. --FredCat100 20:57, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah kinda like yours with GrouchMan. All right dude don't take this personal but it was so funny i couldn't stop laughing. --Montechristo95 21:06, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yea, no harm taken, Grouch-Boy's just make site much slower with this stuff, like SR, while I like to going with SR . But honestly, he seriously need to stop watching the kiddish show already. --FredCat100 21:10, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * All right i won't comment on that statement coz i might rekindle the old fight. And if i do that, who knows what the admins will do to me... --Montechristo95 21:13, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah... no, don't worry, I only give you an explain of why he had done those stuff while I was around. So it's all good, my friend. --FredCat100 21:17, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

(now the discussion is transferred to Deltaneos' page where Dinoguy1000 joins it)

This whole ordeal is an excellent demonstration of why userpage discussions should generally be kept on the same page, instead of each person replying on the other's talk - this was hard enough to follow when it was just Montechristo and RabbitUp, but when FredCat jumped in, all pretense of logical procession seemed to go out the window. =/ 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 22:10, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah that conversation was pretty crazy. Anyway, Deltaneos sorry for annoying you and calling you that early. We managed to solve the matter with RabbitUp and we reached to a conclusion. Again sorry for the disturbance. --Montechristo95 22:22, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was just try to help them calm down and having a discussion between them. And afterward, it went smoothly. So forgive me if I had done anything wrong, Admin. --FredCat100 22:25, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wrong? Are you nuts? You totally saved the day dude, thanks again. --Montechristo95 22:32, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

(this is where we finally leave Deltaneos' Talk Page alone and we return to mine)

Me nut? I only begged the Admin's forgive for doing this out of turn. But yes, I saved your and Rabbit's butt today. --FredCat100 22:35, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes you totally saved my a*s. If it hadn't been for you I'd just keep swearing and then...I'd probably be blocked for a couple of days. But hey no need to beg for his forgiveness you did nothig wrong. --Montechristo95 22:40, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, alright, but did you forgot something... I comment your Talk Page, while you should comment on mine. --FredCat100 22:44, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

(shortly afterwards Fred notices that i have posted the message to both our Talk Pages)


 * That's alright, since it's your talk. --FredCat100 22:47, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

card chants
Dude I just read your chant abt malicious edge. Do you actually say that? It's superspecialawesome! Did you write it yourself? Do you have any other chants you haven't posted yet? --Montechristo95 18:38, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Came up with all of them, and I say them if it's conveniant. I don't have any more out, but I did right a few for cards I created myself. I'll post them here if you'd like to see them. --DARK 22:05, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd be very happy to read any of your card chants. I liked those you have posted before, but that I know you wrote yourself, I like them even more. And one more thing; thanks for signing your message, even at the last moment lol. Do you mind if I transfer our conversation (i mean my replies) to my Talk Page after it's finished? --Montechristo95 22:09, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Go ahead, and I meant to sign it the first time, just forgot. Anyway, here's the chants (planning to upload the cards to card maker wiki later) :

“Spectrum shards fill the void of darkness, giving birth to a new force! The true power of evolution unleashed! Accel Synchro! Show them new power, Infinite Future – Xanochoy!”

Attack: Infinity Burst Stream

“Let the alternate future be born and race towards the new horizon! Become the bridge to a new world! Synchro Tuner! Show them the alternate possibility, Future Bridge – Machine RATS!”

Effect: Future Hole

“Darkness breaks through into a new dimension! The true ultimate evolution is born! Accel Synchro! Be Reborn, Eternity Black Magician!”

Attack: Black Eternity

Effect: Eternal Magic

Tell me what you think. --DARK 22:18, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * All right the second one is simply amazing. Can't find words to decribe it. The other two were quite good too. Btw, the name "Eternity Black Magician" rocks big time. If it's not much of a trouble to you, could you give me a short description of each monster? Or better yet, could you leave me a message when you upload to the cm wiki? --Montechristo95 22:26, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, in fact I'm going to get on it in a couple minutes. --DARK 22:32, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just finished all 3, you can check them out on the card maker wiki. --DARK 23:50, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
'''All right this a discussion between me and Dinoguy1000 after my quarell with RabbitUp. I think it was mostly constructive and worth-mentioning since we cleared things up a bit.''' --Montechristo95 15:37, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hey what's up? It's me. All right look, I left you this message in order to apologise for the trouble I got you into today reading torn-apart conversations. I shouldn't have lost my temper so easiy over such a trivial issue. Maybe you want to invite RabbitUp to join the forum. (that is if you haven't done so already) --Montechristo95 22:52, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's no problem; that just happens to be one of my pet peeves. =) This discussion may have been better suited for the forum, though, true. From what I gathered, though, it sounds like you've been using Google for your translations - there's nothing inherently wrong with this, but Google's translations should be taken with a grain of salt, instead of as Word of God. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 23:14, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm only using Google when i'm stuck with a difficult word or i'm not sure abt sth. I don't think it's that wrong to do it but i'll pay attention to your advice. I'm also using the freeonlinedictionary when google fails to give me the answer i need. --Montechristo95 23:23, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Aah, that's not so bad. It sounded like you were simply plugging words into it and running with the given translations. If you don't mind a bit more advice (and can work around the fact that it comes from translating between Japanese and English, which is miles away from Greek<->English), I find it often helps, after translating to the target language, to plug the offered translation back in and see what Google Translate does with it. This can also lead to other possibilities for the translation to use, depending what it says about the word's definitions, synonyms, etc. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 23:28, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have to say I'm kinda offended by you for thinking that even for a second. I'm always trying to have my translations 100% accurate so that I can avoid incidents like my quarrel with RabbiUp. Whenever I'm not sure abt a translation I give, then i offer a summary which mentions it so that others can improve it. Don't think I forget the approximations I give; i will definitely improve them someday. If you still doubt abt my skills as a translator, you can ask other greek translators here to tell you their opinions abt me. (even RabbitUp recognised my edits). I hate it when one of my translation is proven wrong and I also admit that I'm prideful abt my edits and i don't like being correctioned by anyone. It's true that I had several argues today but they did point out some of my mistakes and I'll try to correct them. Again, thanks for your advice; I've already tried that in the past but I stopped it because it was time-consuming and also it made me feel depended on Google. --Montechristo95 23:39, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, it wasn't my intention to offend you by any means - that's just what it seemed like you were saying, based on what I was able to get out of the conversation, but it is hardly my opinion of you. =) I know it can be quite time-consuming (though I'd wager it doesn't hold a candle to attempting to back-translate English chapter titles into the original Japanese, when I have the original Japanese chapter titles but no way to copy them, and do not read Japanese myself @_@ ). 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 23:47, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well thanks for your apology, it made me feel better; or at least it calmed down my ravenous anger. For your information, most of RabbitUp's edits were corrections of the style adding capital letters to the words or giving an alternate synonym which in most cases was proven to be wrong. I've put quite The effort these days to translate card names and maybe I'm devoting too much time in this Wiki. But I think my translation project is well-organised and correct and I can't accept insultive and pointless corrections or doubts by other users. To tell you the truth, I seriously considered abandoning this Wiki today after all that happenned and I do feel really bad for annoying Deltaneos for nothing.
 * Btw, I didn't know you did that; that must be quite tiring to say the very least. But I guess when you have a passion for sth you can keep doing it no matter how much exhausting it might be. --Montechristo95 23:58, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * It can be hard sometimes, but always try to remember - it's only the Internet. If you have to, step away from your monitor for five minutes and just try to relax or something. =)
 * And yeah, it wasn't easy, and I ended up with several kanji which didn't really match, but I couldn't find anything better for them - the series, BTW, was Planetes, and I definitely have a passion for the medium (manga). =D 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 00:07, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes I've actually tried this several times. But today it would just not work. The guy pissed me off with his attitude and the thing that really drove me over the edge was the fact that he looked down on me because he's older than me by 5 years. What a vast difference don't you think? I could also post some crap like "I'm 25 years old and I speak English fluently". It would be a lot easier that way. But I guess I pay the price for being frank. --Montechristo95 00:21, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it can be hard trying to be the bigger man. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 00:57, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Unofficial name template
Please don't add the Approximate name Template. It's wrong, wherever you see it replace it with the unofficial name template. The approximate is not used anymore. --Montechristo95 12:50, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I only use the unofficial name template. Although, I have to admit I didn't know the approximate template was out-dated. I'm going to replace it with the unofficial one, whenever I encounter it from now on. Thanks for the tip. --RabbitUp 12:55, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I pointed it out because I saw you added it to one Gravekeeper. No need for doing that, Dinoguy1000 is going to set up a bot in order to correct all of them. Look, you might want to visit this forum: Forum:Approximate name - "approximate" or "unofficial"?. There we can discuss many things. --Montechristo95 12:59, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link, but I'm sure that wasn't me. And even if it was me, it must have been by accident (mis-click on the template list or something like that). I always use the unofficial name template. --RabbitUp 13:05, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok well the main reason i contacted you was that you visited the forum...so are you going to visit it? --Montechristo95 13:08, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course I will and not just for the name template issue. --RabbitUp 13:09, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually that issue has already been solved. I invited you so that we could discuss some thing about the translations of the names. --Montechristo95 13:11, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, as I already stated during our recent quarrel, co-operation with other Greek users is my goal, for the sake of this site and the Yu-Gi-Oh! game in general. I'm sure it will be only for the best of our work here. --RabbitUp 13:18, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Greek dub card names
'''This conversation was meant to be the continue of the above. At least in the beginning. Maybe I'll correct it some day. --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 21:13, June 25, 2010 (UTC)'''


 * Yes and because we started on the wrong foot i thought we could restore our relations by working as a team. I thought the forum could be a place where you would find other translators and enter the "community" but i see you already have. Nice. I wanted to discuss with you a matter that has plagued the forum for quite some time now: The Official Card Names. Could you please give me your opinion of the greek dub? What do you think of the translators' work? Are you satisfied by it? --Montechristo95 13:23, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, boy...the Greek dub.. That was just wrong. The vast majority of Greek card names used were either inaccurate or flat-out wrong. Despite that I'm actually supporting the use of the official card translations, simply for the fact that the majority of Greek Yu-Gi-Oh! players watch the anime, too and can easier identify the cards by their official names. I'm really interested to hear your opinion, too. --RabbitUp 13:41, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Glad you have that opinion. Look, if you just visit the forum you will see that I have pretty much the same opinion. Or you can see my discussions with Dinoguy1000 and Darth Kovah where I desperately trying to tell them the greek dub is wrong but they just don't listen. Anyway, I know we should add the official "correct" names but when they translate Summoned Skull as "the power of the skull" I just have to protest and doubt the greek dub. If you see my opinion in the forum, you can (if you want) comment on it. What's more, we can discuss the issue with another greek user Bassted (i'm not sure if i mispelled his name, you can find him in my talk p) . I've come to believe he has the same opinion although we argued over an other issue abt translating (man, I argued with the whole wiki on Wendsday). --Montechristo95 13:52, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * You should know, though, if we are to use the official greek names someone has to watch the Gx dub; and believe me, after watching a couple of episodes, I can assure you it's much worse than the original anime dub could ever be. --RabbitUp 14:01, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wait a minute.............GX has been dubbed in Greek?!? OMG now we have to watch this too! When did the dub start? In which channel is it shown? Why am I learning everything last? (you don't have to answer that) --Montechristo95 14:15, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, unfortunately GX has been dubbed. It's shown on Star channel again VERY early in the morning (7am if I remember correctly) for a year now. YouTube user YUSEIFUDO24 has uploaded most (if not all) of the original and GX greek dubbed episodes. | YouTube --RabbitUp 14:24, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well this just bites. So the same voice actors who translated the first are translating Gx too. I didn't know, i've stopped watching star for abt 4 years now... Anyway, I'm gonna post it on the forum... Yeah someone should watch this too. I'm currently viewing eps from the duellist kingdom arc so...since you have started watching it.....could you by any chance.......keep it up?... We can discuss the issue if you don't. Btw, i noticed some of your edits. Do you agree with the translation of the E-Heroes archetype? I'm talking abt the "Στοιχειωδης"? --Montechristo95 14:33, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't worry. I have the GX dub covered. I'm watching it and adding the official translations to the cards. As for the Elemental heroes, "Στοιχειώδης Ήρωας" is the official translation. --RabbitUp 14:39, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's good. That's very good. I'm leaving it up to you then. And about the translation; I figured out that it is the official. I want to hear your opinion on it. Maybe "Στοιχειακος" would be better? Not that it matters of course. --Montechristo95 14:44, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've thought of "Στοιχειακός", too. In my opinion, it's a better/more accurate translation. In the end, it's all a matter of whether to use the official dubbed names or not. If we are to go that route and treat them as official translations, we can't be too picky. --RabbitUp 14:49, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * All right, I won't bother you. Go ahead and translate them. Is it fair to say that only the first season has been dubbed? Btw, sorry for the Gravekeepers, I didn't know they were translated in the greek anime that way. --Montechristo95 14:55, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Only the first season has been translated so far. I don't really know whether the translation team is working on the rest of the GX anime, though. --RabbitUp 15:03, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hope they aren't. Anyway, glad we had this little chat. Hope it improved our relations. --Montechristo95 15:15, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm glad about this chat, too. No bad feelings about Wednesday, then?? --RabbitUp 15:21, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm currently changing all card names that appear on Yu-Gi-Oh! Gx to match the official translations given by the Greek dub team. Could you please contact any other Greek users you know so as not to edit the official translations I provide? I always leave a special note when adding an official translation for all future editors. --RabbitUp 17:19, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I left a message to Darth Covah. There is also Ianus-kun but he hasn't edited a thing for a long time now so I guess there's no point in leaving him a message. Lon3wolf is also a greek user and translating names may not be the main thing he does but if he bumps into one of your "wrong" translations he'll probably attempt to "correct" it. However, it doesn't make sense informing him now since he has been inactive for some time. And yeah no bad feelings. --Montechristo95 17:52, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fixing the link in my userpage. I had it noticed but I was always putting off its correction. Btw, congrads for creating your own page. That annoying red link was really starting to bug me. --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 19:54, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for contacting Darth Covah for me. About the link, yeah it bothered me when I first spotted it and took a bit too much freedom there and fixed it. Glad you're OK with it. Yeah, it was time I created my user page and I can totally understand what you're saying. Red links are just too annoying.
 * PS: Is it only me or the talk/contribs link things on the signature are a new addition? They are real time-savers. --RabbitUp (talk • contribs) 20:03, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * To tell you the truth I noticed that too. At first I was all like "What the _" but now I'm beginning to like it. Hey no problem (you know for Darth Covah) And now I'm going to add my brand new superspecialawesome signature with the 3 links.... --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 20:13, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I got tired of having to click twice to get to people's talk pages from their signatures, so I did something about it (though now I'm thinking maybe the bullet should be smaller... hmm). =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 20:16, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * So you were the one behind all this. I should have known... You with your crazy sigs. But hey my new sig is cooler than the last. So...thanks for it...I guess. --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 20:22, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Niiice. I like it. I really really do. Especially with my sever case of tabitis (My Firefox window has 27 tabs open right now), it was extremely annoying waiting for user page to load only to click the talk page link and wait some more. Thanks for that, Dinoguy :D. And now for the moment we've all been waiting for...--RabbitUp (talk • contribs) 20:27, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Re: GX
Hey Darth Covah what's up? It's me Montechristo95. I left you this message in order to inform you abt a new greek translator who recently joined this wiki. His name is RabbitUp and he became a member 2 days ago. I contacted him and after some very long discussions he told me that there is actually a Greek dub of GX. Did you know it? I didn't. He says it started abt one year ago. All right, they have already dubbed the first season and judging from an episode I watched, it's even worse than the previous one. Anyway, back to the point. RabbitUp says he has already watched most episodes and I thought it'd be good if i let him add the official names of the monsters. He asked me to contact any Greek translators I know and inform them abt him and his work. Just so you know, if you see a lame translation in a GX monster from now on don't change it since it will be official.

BTW, I suppose you probably know this but still I'm gonna tell ya just to be on the safe side: The dub of the first Yu-Gi-Oh! series has been completed; so don't bother searching when it finished. --Montechristo95 17:39, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I appreciate you letting me know. I'll use extra caution when I see a crappy GX card name translation :P. As for the GX dub, I had no idea such an abomination existed. The 1st series dub was fully completed but was aired intermittently, so a few episodes were never aired. Finding the full dubbed 1st series is still tricky though. I'll do my best! --Darth Covah (Talk | DeckZone | Binder) 20:24, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * No need for that dude. Go find it in Youtube. . Btw, you said "abomination".............cool --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 20:28, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Breaking the rules
So are you going to delete my comments? You know for using improper language? --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 21:15, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * You should know that, when a new rule/law is introduced, the Constitution protects all past offenders from any punishment the new law dictates :P. Seriously now, no, I won't delete your comments, simply because I could tell you were really trying to have a conversation started there, not offend me or anyone else. Also, I consider a counter-productive comment, which helps neither me nor the poster improve our works, much more improper that yours. Come to think of it, maybe I should have been more specific up there. --RabbitUp (talk • contribs) 21:36, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look, I want you to know that I'm very sorry for offending you the way I did and I am unexcusable for the kind of language I used. I wasn't intending to get this so far, it was just that thing you said abt my age that exasperated me. However, I'm not holding you responsible for the stuff I said. I shouldn't have lost my temper so easily over such a trivial issue. But anyway, like I said, absolutely no bad feelings. And btw, did you change your sig? --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 21:57, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Honestly, like I said before, I hold no bad feelings whatsoever. Also, I truly apologize for bringing up the age difference as an argument against you. Normally, I never consider one's age to be dictative of one's skill or competence. It was just a bad moment for me, I lost my temper and said things I didn't really mean or would normally say. Again, I'm sorry about that. About the sig, no, that was an edit mishap. Thanks for pointing it out. --RabbitUp (talk • contribs) 22:12, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, I never really apologized for my stance, the one that started all this. Despite being right or wrong, I shouldn't have been quick to discard one's previous translation, treating it like a bunch of words, not realizing the amount of work and determination behind it. I promise to be more careful in the future. --RabbitUp (talk • contribs) 22:28, June 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah look abt your edits. I am reading my first message again and I realise I was kinda agressive towards to you. I saw some of your edits where you removed the articles from the nouns or you changed their numbers. Instead of comprehending the fact that you were actually trying to improve them, I received your corrections as a doubt to my skills. Sorry. For a minute there, I forgot I'm just an amateur. I was translating here alone for quite some time now and as you can probably see from my edit count or my contribs page, I made a lot of edits lately. That made me feel like I rule around here, so no other translators are permitted to edit. That was a very stupid and selfish way of acting by my side. Thanks for making me realise that. I originally saw you as a competitor and not as a co-operator. And to think I blamed you for being a vandal... --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 22:48, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I wasn't better myself. My reply was far from polite. It was my first day here as a registered editor and I should have shown more respect for older members of the community. Let'sw exchange a virtual handshake, then and let bygones be bygones. Also, I spent the whole morning designing my new sig. Hope it looks OK... --R abbitU ptalk • cont 12:57, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, let's leave our pointless cockfight behind us. And after our handshake is over, we can work together. And your new sig is awesome although way bigger than the last. --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 13:43, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * And I'm not such an old member, I've been here for 5-6 months. --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 13:45, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Warning
Violate a user page again and things gonna get bad for you.--Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 17:58, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * and wat r u gonna do? XD Raiga (talk • contribs) 18:27, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Me? Absolutely nothing. I'm just a plain contributor, like you. Oh wait, I forgot, you are not a contributor, you are a vandal. Anyway, I can easily report you to the admins and then you will probably get blocked. I haven't reported you yet because I thought maybe Akiza want to do it by herself. But hey, a friendly advice. Stop having that attitude, it won't be much of assistance when you start talking with an admin. --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 18:31, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Congrats
Congratulations on your 3,333rd edit!EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 21:24, July 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Glad to meet you Dark Gaia. I'm always happy when I get to meet another member of the community! Btw thanks a lot! Man, you are probably the only one to notice. Yeah, I reached 3.333 edits. I have to say that I put quite the effort in it the last month. However I'm still 1000+ edits away from acheiving my goal (becoming a top user). But I guess I'm not half bad. I only joined 6 months ago not taking into account a couple of months during which I was inactive. --Montechristo95 (talk • contribs) 21:32, July 8, 2010 (UTC)