Forum:Multiple Continuous ATK increasing/decreasing effects

Hi =)

I do play a deck containing a lot of ATK decreasing cards, like Black Garden, Al'Lumi-Raj or Burden of the Mighty. Because of Black Garden, I plan to use Token Stampede as well. Now, imagine the following situation:

My field:

Face-up Black Garden (When a monster is normal/special summoned, except by the effect of Black Garden: Half its ATK and Special summon a Rose Token (Level 2 800/800) to the side of the opponent of the summoner in Attack position) Field Spell

2 Face-up Al'Lumi-Raj (All monsters on the field lose ATK/DEF equal to their level/rank x 300) Level 3 1600/1000

Face up Token Stampede (All Tokens on the field gain 1000 ATK and cannot be destroyed by battle) Continuous Trap

Field of my opponent: Empty

It is my opponents turn. He normal summons a monster. Black Garden activates and resolves. A Rose token is special summoned to my side of the field.

Question: What about his ATK?

His DEF is 0, because of the 2 copies of Al'Lumi-Raj.

But its ATK? 3 cards do effect his ATK:

2x Al'Lumi-Raj (-600 each, total loss of 1200) 1x Token Stampede (+1000)

All of these are continuous effects, so there is no activation at all. The following may happen, the effects may apply in a special order:

Possibility 1: Al Lumi-Raj Al Lumi-Raj Token Stampede

ATK of the Token: 800-600 = 200 200-600 = 0 (A monsters ATK cannot be negative) 0+1000 = 1000

Possibility 2: Token Stampede Al Lumi-Raj Al Lumi-Raj

ATK of the Token: 800+1000 = 1800 1800-600-600 = 600

And, of course, 600 =/=1000

There are other orders as well.

My questions regarding this type of situation:

There are multiple cards with continuous effects on the field. Do they apply in a special order, like: First Turn Player, then non-turn-Player, in order of activation or resolution before?

This does not include continuous monster effects of monsters just summoned or continuous effects of Spell/Trap cards just activated. I am aware of this situation. Like Skill Drain versus Apoqliphort Skybase.

NC9CDS (talk • contribs) 08:43, June 2, 2016 (UTC)