Forum:Assistance w/ Deck

This is my current deck. Now, sheer number of cards aside (don't worry, it's exactly 60), I'd like some help with improving the deck. I have several structure decks to take cards from if need be, including Structure Deck 10: Machine Re-Volt, Structure Deck 1: Dragon's Roar, Structure Deck: Spellcaster's Command, and Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Starter Deck. I'd like some help in figuring out what cards might be helpful and useful from these Structure Decks. I'd also like some help in defining just what type of strategy my deck uses, terminology-wise. So, can someone help me out?

Your deck is trying to do like 5 bagillion things at once. I don't mean to be offensive, but did you just take all of the cards you own, put them face-down on a table, and pick 60 random cards? Forum:Deck Guide/General will be of great use to you. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 19:54, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

No actually, I didn't. I took a look at all of the cards I have, and selected ones I thought would be useful and effective.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 19:56, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well, first things first, pick 1 of the cards you are using (preferably something with tons of support) to build the deck around and we'll go from there. Also, if your supply of cards is limited to the things from the structure decks you have, please tell me which structure decks you have. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 20:06, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oh believe me, it's not limited to Structure Decks. I have a lunchbox full of cards from years ago, and more from Booster Packs from a few months ago; I lost interest in Yugioh for a while, so I haven't gotten recent Booster Packs. Anyways, the Structure Decks I currenlty have (and remember) are the ones I listed above. Would it be helpful if I mentioned a personal preference for Dragons, along with having Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon, Gorz, and Dragon Piper?--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 20:13, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Wait! There's also Dragunity's Legion that I got just Saturday. Durr. Can't believe I forgot to list that one.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 20:14, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

What are some of the things you have lying around? I'm already thinking up a sort of dragon deck. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 20:17, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oh lordy. Please have mercy on me, for I have THOUSANDS of cards out and about.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 20:20, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Are people allowed to put fan-made cards in userspace? I tried looking for an admin on this wiki to ask, but I can't seem to find one.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:21, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'll make a decklist, and if there's anything in it you don't have just let me know.

What, you mean like on your profile? Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 20:24, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. But I have personal tastes and preferences as well, so I'd like to be able to talk about and debate the deck after. I mean, it wouldn't be my deck if it didn't have my own tastes in it, but I don't want that at the cost of effectiveness.

And no, what I mean is like "User:Kagimizu/Insert name here". It's something done on a lot of other wikis.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:28, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

K, that's fine. The deck is coming together nicely(ish).

Yeah, stuff like that is generally alright. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 20:34, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. However, there's actually four cards in particular I'd rather like to keep: Black Luster Soldier and its Ritual Card, Sword of Deep-Seated, and Twin Swords of Flashing Light - Tryce. It's a personal combination I came up with that I'm fairly proud of, because it equates to a monster with 3000 ATTK and DEF, in addition to the capability of attacking twice. If possible, could you somehow work that in? I figure it would be also good so I have a little variety in terms of monster types, right?

And okay, that's good. I actually came up with my own new type of summoning, and a card along with it ^^|--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:39, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure. It's just that without proper support, Ritual Monsters tend to not be worth it. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 20:43, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well I do have Senju of the Thousand Hands and... um.... the card that lets you take a Ritual Spell Card from your deck and put it in your hand. Aside from those two monsters, I can't say for specific what other cards I may or may not have.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:44, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'll post what I've come up with so far in a few minutes. Most of the cards are relatively easy to get if you don't have them. There's only 1 that's tough get. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 20:47, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Alright then.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 20:48, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, here's what I came up with on short notice:

So, the main goal is to dump dragons into the Graveyard to use for summoning Chaos Sorcerer/BLS-Envoy of the Beginning. There's probably better things that could have gone into the deck (like a LIGHT dragon besides Mirage Dragon), but this is what I came up with. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 20:56, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

The template didn't work. But I see what you've got here.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:02, August 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Something got messed up. I typed it out in a hurry. I'll get it on here. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:04, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

No need, I fixed it. But TBH.... hmm.... I'm not sure I really like relying on Chaos Sorcerer and BLS-Envoy of the Beginning. Also, is it at all possible to put just a bit more variety in the deck? Take for example Cyber Dragon; I have two of those. I also have Magna Drago and Stardust Dragon; I'm sure those could be useful. I mean after all, what if Chaos Sorcerer and BLS get locked down or destroyed? I have Prohibitation, so I'm sure someone else out there must have it. And there's also Iron Wall, which would also totally shut down the two cards.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:08, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not at all trying to be rude, just giving my personal thoughts on the deck. I may not have done any serious competition or anything like that, but I'm not exactly a n00b or anything.--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:15, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, I know. Hmm. Stardust could be useful if you have Starlight Road. You won't have to necessarily "rely" on Chaos Sorcerer and BLS-Envoy. The deck can do other stuff. I think Red-Eyes B. Chick and Red-Eyes B. Dragon could stand to leave the deck though. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:20, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

BLS - Envoy is expensive now.


 * Yeah, I was sketchy about suggesting it. I didn't know what else to do for a deck. Can you maybe give some input Boba? Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:24, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but right now I'm busy.

Actually, I'd rather prefer to keep Red-Eyes, if at all possible. And perhaps Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon could be added in there? I typically prefer to get my monsters out there and keep them on the field, but REDD can take advantage of that strategy failing or backfiring in order to become a big powerhouse. Perhaps we could make use of my new Dragunity cards as well?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:27, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

How about this: I make a side deck with REDD in it. If you feel like your opponent's is gonna side in Imperial Iron Wall, just change it up! Side out Chaos Sorcerer and Envoy for REDD and other Grave oriented stuff. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:32, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps. Y'know, I think I'm starting to figure out my own preferred strategy thanks to all this. While I like to be versatile, I suppose I prefer a Dragon-oriented Deck that allows me to manipulate my deck and graveyard, controlling what goes into the field and what comes out. I don't know if that's an actual strategy, but if it is could you help me out? Cards that come to mind include REDD, Ultimate Offering, Dragunity cards, Imperial Iron Wall, and the like. So, is a "field-control" or "Graveyard manipulation" deck even a real strategy?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:38, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

To put it in better terms, I suppose it's a three-part combination of Swarming (cause I find cards like Cyber Dragon, Ultimate Offering, and A Rival Appears! to be useful), Dumping (because of Dragunity and REDD), and Protection/Restoration (Stardust Dragon, Dragunity Arma Leyvaten,etc). Is that a plausible strategy to work with?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:41, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I'll mull it over. I'll need a few hours to think about it. I'm pretty sure Boba will come give his ideas whenever people stop trolling the Duelist Pack 12 page. For now, I made a partial side deck:

-- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:45, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the help, I really apreciate it. If at all possible, some example cards I'd like to add include Ultimate Offering (500 life points for an extra Summon; no matter what this is perfect for Special Summons), A Rival Appears! (Allows countering of opponent's own powerhouses with my own), and Dark Hole (in a deck with REDD, I profit no matter what. Opponent's field is cleared, and more Dragons in my Graveyard to either Summon or boost REDD).--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:50, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oh! I also have Dragon's Rage. In a Dragon Deck, wouldn't that be super useful?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:53, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I have a better idea of what you want now. Should be easy. Oh, and sorry about the insults in the beginning. I was mostly just shocked at how much stuff was going on with the deck. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:54, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. Just to be clear, if you could sum up the prefered deck style from your POV, what deck typeswould such a deck include? And it's alright on the insults. I realize the deck is more or less a "Jack of all trades, master of none" Deck, isn't it?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 21:57, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, you might not need my help too much. These pages could give you great ideas on what to do for a dragon deck:


 * Dragunity
 * Disaster Dragon
 * Hopeless Dragon

Take ideas from those articles, add your own twist, and you should have a decent deck. I'll still try to help give ideas of what will/will not help out the deck, but I think you can get a good feel for a decklist by taking a look at the above pages. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 22:03, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. Also, I think I'd like to put some Warrior-type Monsters in there for variety. One reason for this is Draco-Equiste, which takes advantage of both Warrior and Dragon type monsters. I realize it dilutes the deck a little bit, but what would you think of this?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:07, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Not sure. Sounds awesome, but I'm not sure how effective it would be. Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 22:23, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I see. Well for now, where's the cards I had in mind:

These are the cards I'd like to put in to the deck so far. If you've got any additions, put them down in bold with an abreviation of your username. Any subtractions, strike them out and put an abreviation of your username next to it. Could you guys do that for me?--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 22:35, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

You use Ritual Monsters, which are bad, and Equip Spell Cards, which, aside from Snatch Steal and Premature Burial, aren't very good. Also, the Red-Eyes cards, aside from Red-Eyes Wyvern and Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon, are bad. Cyber Dragon has no purpose in the deck. Lord of D. is bad. The Flute of Summoning Dragon is also bad. Polymerization is terrible. Imperial Iron Wall is unecessary, as are Ultimate Offering and Dragon's Rage.

I would have to disagree unless you give actual reason instead of saying almost everything I picked "is bad".--<font color="#0000FF">Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 23:01, August 23, 2011 (UTC)