Forum:YVD Tournament Rules

CURRENT NUMBER OF CONTESTANTS: 13

Rules
Mainly the basic questions I believe to be are: -If there are any rules that I left out that should be listed, please let me know.
 * What should be the limit of contestants?
 * How long do competing contestants have to complete a Match?
 * What happens to a contestant that does not complete their Match in the given time?
 * What happens to contestants that do not get along are put into a Match?
 * How do we arrange with who is going against who?

Yugioh DED's suggestions

 * I think the total number of contestants should be 32.
 * I say contestants have three days to complete their Match.
 * The obvious answer I believe to a person that doesn't complete their Match in the given time will be disqualified, and the other person will move on to the next round.
 * About two contestants that do not get along being put into a Match; I think we should separate them, choose another two contestants (preferably ones that also do not get along as well), and switch their places with each other.
 * I honestly do not know how to arrange who would go against who.  Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 18:56, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Pato's Suggestions
I think we should make a list of the people that are wanting 2 get in, like this:

duelist
(and goes on) Yes, im Pato (talk • contribs) 19:02, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * yugioh ded
 * fallensilence
 * me

Drew-Gi-Oh!'s suggestions(1)

 * What should be the limit of contestants? 16-64.
 * How long do competing contestants have to complete a Match? a week at max
 * What happens to a contestant that does not complete their Match in the given time? Disqualify both, I suppose.
 * What happens to contestants that do not get along are put into a Match? it's life, deal with it.
 * How do we arrange with who is going against who? I suppose you could always do the random matchups like in random tournaments. Or maybe by skill level or something, however that could be arranged.

--Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 22:06, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Disqualifying both players would be bad, meaning that there'd be an odd amount of players that would end up in the Semi-Finals. Also, a week for a Match? a little TOO long, wouldn't you say? People would take that advantage and duel at the last minute.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 22:16, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well some people are busy with school and stuff. Give them a week. Also Drew I'm doing the matchups. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 23:49, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Falzar FZ's suggestions

 * What should be the limit of contestants? I prefer exactly 4 or 8 or 16; although 6 is ok as well
 * How long do competing contestants have to complete a Match? A week seems reasonable
 * What happens to a contestant that does not complete their Match in the given time? Sudden Death... idk
 * What happens to contestants that do not get along are put into a Match? Have someone watching; as judge (I think that's a function on YVD, but I haven't used it before)
 * How do we arrange with who is going against who? RNG
 * 1) Also, the the table I was asked to make should be good. It currently has a table of matchups (with the forks and stuff (ASCII art = win)), the times, and I was thinking of adding a section on deck names. Any thoughts on what else I might add? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:25, August 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * 2) Is there a handicap? like if you use a meta deck, then no side decking; or start off with 6000 LPs for them. (so we can prevent something like "Well obviously, either Blackings or X-Sabers are going to win") -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:50, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) I'm going to need to collect time zone data. Feel free to post them under this; or leave it on my talk page. see below. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:45, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * No handicap. It's a matter of how the player uses the deck.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 03:58, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yugioh DED's suggestions
Well, I think the most reasonable answer as to if someone doesn't complete their Match in the given time is that the other person will be moving on, but if BOTH seem to not be participating, I guess Falzar's idea works; whoever messages Fallensilence that they're on first will move on (any better suggestions of the situation are welcomed). And I was also thinking, Pato, that I'll start gathering everybody's YVD username (after we have enough players; 16 the tops then), give it to you for storage, then when the official page is being made, Falzar, Pato will give the usernames for you to put up by everyone's Yugioh Wikia username.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 04:55, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Fallensilence's question
This may be a stupid question but are we using traditional or official? Official sounds the best. Especially with the new ban list coming up, I'd like to see what comes up, especially to see what happens to the top tiers. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 05:15, August 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think you mean "advanced" instead of official. Yeah of course advanced. This is another reason why starting the tournament in a few days is REALLY bad. Since they'll have to post their decklists, and since you can only have 1 list, the banlist would.....be a little too messy on the tournament's part.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 05:19, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Drew-Gi-Oh!'s suggestions (2)
Except for the fact there hasn't been a really reasonable object to what happens if the Match hasn't been completed in time. I mean, how would you determine who would go? A coin toss? No Thanks. Sudden Death? Yeah, because both players can do a sudden death match instead of a regular match. I was thinking, maybe it could be either a.) Voluntary Surrender (Like in the latest tournament where Fallen's Comp wasn't working) OR Decklist Comparation. I.E. you look at the Decklists and judges would decide which would seem to be victorious, IN A WORST-CASE SCENARIO, IF NEITHER DUELIST CAN REACH A DESIGNATED TIME. Like if it were Worms VS. Ally of Justice, the outcome could probaly be ruled in the favor of AOJ if it's Deckbuild was superior. Any other suggestions? --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 05:32, August 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I really would look down on seeing which deck is better to see who goes to the next match. Voluntary Surrender is great. Sudden Death would be perfect if they don't have enough time. Double KO would be perfect if they don't make the deadline and I can rearrange the next match a little easier. However I might think of making another loser's round by deckbuild. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 05:37, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

HHTurtle's Suggestions

 * What should be the limit of contestants? 8. It'll be difficult to regulate it if it gets any bigger.
 * How long do competing contestants have to complete a Match? A week.
 * What happens to a contestant that does not complete their Match in the given time? Both of them are given and auto-game loss?
 * What happens to contestants that do not get along are put into a Match? Same as above.
 * How do we arrange with who is going against who? Eenie meenie minee moe?-- HHTurtle  Talk  11:10, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * HHTurtle, I don't think it's going to be 8 participants. 16 is a good amount. And besides, I already have about 9-10 participants anyways. Why if two players that don't get along are put into a Match, they have to have an auto-game loss? If anything, we'll switch them with another 2.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 13:42, August 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I personally think it'll be immature if both duelist don't get along. I just think that they should either play their match or don't play at all.-- HHTurtle  Talk  17:15, August 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right. How's this on the rules; *If you are put against someone that you do not get along with, then either play with them, or forfeit.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 17:42, August 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. Basically the idea is "Play nice or don't play at all".-- HHTurtle  Talk  17:43, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

The Official Rules
-Here are a few rules every participant here should know. (Note that I didn't include 2 things we've been talking about. That's because the 2 left out obviously shouldn't be mentioned in the RULES section.) Does this sound good? If it does, I'll be giving it to Falzar to edit it.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 17:58, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Once you know who you will be dueling against for the tournament, you will have a week to complete your Match.
 * If you do not complete your Match in the given time, then sorry, you're out.
 * If you are dueling against someone who you do not get along with, then that's too bad; play and get it over with, or forfeit.


 * On the second one. If we disqualify both, then the un-even numbers will get messy. I have no problems with the other 2. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:42, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's what I said before too. Well Falzar, could you set up the rule table you were talking about? We need to see it so we know if there needs to be anymore edits.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 03:19, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't really recall having to set up a rule table. Although I do remember a table containing match-ups, time, name/YVD name/Deck name.
 * I could add a new section to it, but Full preview shouldn't be needed any time soon.
 * Currently, for that section it holds this:
 * * All duels will be in the TCG Advanced Format, using whatever cards YVD has to offer in their in-game update feature.
 * * The banlist used will be the September 2010 List.
 * * Once you know who you will be dueling against for the tournament, you will have a week to complete your Match.
 * * If you do not complete your Match in the given time (or cannot come to an agreement of some sort e.g. forfeit), then sorry, you're both out.
 * * If you are dueling against someone who you do not get along with, then that's too bad; play and get it over with, or forfeit.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:17, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * On another note. I'd prefer it if everyone used Hamachi (or at least have it installed so it can be quickly be used if connections can't be made). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:17, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Huh, yeah you told me about the table of something; I forgot what though. I could take this off of your hands if you want me to then. As for the rules though, they look good. I'll tell Pato to save this for when to time comes. By the way, mind telling me exactly what Hamachi is?--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 04:46, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * It creates a virtual network and gives you a 'virtual' new IP address. Use this new address to easily connect to someone else using Hamachi. It also gets past any annoying firewalls that prevent you from connecting when doing it the normal way and vice versa. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:59, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah. Alright, well if you can give me a link to where to download it, I'll address that to the participants when I ask for their decklists/YVD usernames as well.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 05:02, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * YVD can let you create usernames that bypass the annoying IP addresses, too. Not sure about Firewalls, though. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 05:06, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's a guide from the same site as where you download YVD, and it should be this one. Use the Free and Unmanaged Version.
 * You're going to ask people to submit their decks via e-mail right? that way, we don't see it until it's actually distributed.
 * While you're at it, can you collect a list of Time Zones? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:10, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, here's how the message will look
For the tournament, I will be asking for a couple of things: -Is that good?  Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 14:36, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1. Your YVD username to post on the Official YVD Tournament Page for convenience.
 * 2. Your Time Zones to post on the Official YVD Tournament Page for convenience.
 * 3. Your decklist via e-mail. My e-mail is (skannr1236@att.net).
 * 4. We would also suggest you download Hamachi; it helps connect to opponents while avoiding Firewalls and the such. Here's a link. (Use the Free and Unmanaged Version.) Note that you do not HAVE to download this, but it's to increase the chance greatly that you will be able to connect to your opponent.

Sounds great but why do you need our email for? Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 15:30, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * So everyone gives me their decklists and nobody sees them. Like, if everyone gave me their decklists on my Talk Page, everyone else can see everyone's decklists.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 15:35, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's wrong with that though? Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 15:42, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Some people wouldn't like that. It would give away the strategy of the game. Even though we would know if someone looks at the decklists on my Talk Page and puts in an unfair card, it still takes away the whole strategy of the game.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 15:44, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh so it's better to keep it as a secret. Nice work. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 15:47, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I honestly take no credit on that. I give all of that to YamiWheeler. I actually thought it would've been better to give everyone their opponent's decklist so they can report back to us for any foul play, but as YamiWheeler stated, suspecting foul play seems fair enough.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 15:51, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

So you can check for banned cards.......wow YamiWheeler that's impressive. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 15:55, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * No not banned cards, YVD takes care of that itself. No, I mean like if a Machina Gadget deck is fighting a Lightsworn deck, and the Lightsworn player "all of the sudden" puts in a card like System Down.--- Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 15:58, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but there is nothing wrong about putting it in from the side deck. And I doubt they would put that in suddenly. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 16:01, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I know. By getting everyone's decklist, and when someone reports us an act of foul play, we can go through that person's Main Deck, Side Deck, and Extra Deck and determine if that person cheated, or if such a card was in fact in their Side Deck. If they DID cheat, we would disqualify them.---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 18:16, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oh ok I see. Thanks for answering all my questions. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 20:09, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

An Idea for the Champion
Maybe Pato can choose who he wants to duel? It's fair since he won the last tournament. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 20:10, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that's that fair, though I DO believe he should get SOME reward.....maybe, only once, he can have a re-do if he lost a Match.---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:12, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

It could work but it can get annoying for the other person. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 20:16, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah....I'm not sure if he should have a reward at all besides being crowned champion..., other players might get annoyed.---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:19, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hm....... what about challenging him in the final match? Like the episode when Yusei dueled Jack! Maybe that will work. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 20:21, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't keep up with the Yugioh anime X]. But that would mean there's a 50-50 chance he's crowned champion again. Not good.---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:25, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but it would make him look like the king of YVD. So what if there is a 50/50 chance? We have more people to participate in the tournament, I'm pretty sure there is some people that can take Pato down. No offense Pato. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 20:29, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Huh. I think that would have to be talked about with the other two, Falzar and P.......<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:32, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

UPDATE
Alright, so for starters, I took the few seconds to post how many contestants we currently have a the top of this page. That number could potentially be 14, but those are unconfirmed for the time being. Second, I'm going to be giving everyone my hotmail e-mail. Third, I really need Pato to be on a little more often.---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 03:44, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be easier if we gave you our emails? Then you won't have to type longer stuff. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 03:54, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * BY THE WAY I'm going to need someone to have my decklist, so they make sure I don't cheat. I won't, but I'm sure everyone would agree that it has to be done.---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 04:00, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * What about me? I need something to do since I'm bored. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 04:12, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah sure, but not now; when we reach 16 players.---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 04:18, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * And about everyone giving me their e-mail; I'm trying to make it as convenient for our participants as possible. Don't worry, I can handle messaging the same thing to 15 people. Basically, I can just Copy and Paste. The only thing I'll have to do each time is giving them the Hamachi link.---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 04:21, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oh ok. I hope you can find the last participant. This is going to be awesome. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 04:28, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * A bunch of images (including quite a few of TSHD) can be found here. (It's more updated than the image pack on Xerocreative)
 * You can see a guide on how to add images here. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:17, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Alright then, I feel we need to get things moving on...man, if only we had 16 players fast.---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 05:41, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, this contains more TSHD. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:34, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

guys im conected very often, i dont talk 2 much cause im seeing how the freak do i avoid killing myself seing that every deck i have is being hit, but thats an other story. I was in charge of collecing ppl (wich i got the confirmation of yesterday) and making a list of the ppl that are already in the tournament for sure. i did both things so far, anything else? Yes, im Pato (talk • contribs) 14:10, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

We just need one more person........but who? Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 17:32, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly how many people did you collect Pato?---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 18:15, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

hey yugioh ded have you asked Runer5h to join yet?--<font style="backround-color:yellow"> bwinggale ( talk •  contribs ) 18:37, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

so far i have 2 friends for sure, 1 is doubting, and next saturday i'll ask some ppl in the hobby store, but if that's 2 much ppl u let me know i thing we have 2 talk about is: the list, if the official list is releasd next month, every guy wont have a lot of time to make decks, and also if some 1 tells me wich decks can and cant be used that'd be great, cause we have 2 c what is considered meta, i mean, naturia isnt meta, anti-meta isnt either, but i dont want 2 c frogs ftk in this tournament. Yes, im Pato (talk • contribs) 18:59, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah....that's true. Does everybody agree that there shouldn't be FTKs in the tournament?
 * Also, Pato, you do know that those people that you recruited have to have a YVD username and a Yugioh Wikia username, right?---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:23, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

they dont have wikia names, they kinda think some of u stay here and dont ever know the world outside and never played yugioh in real life, they dont want 2 become, well, u. they have YVD tho. does banning FTK mean that i cant use exodia FTK? cause it isnt any close 2 good ;D. Yes, im Pato (talk • contribs) 20:42, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Huh. They have to have Yugioh Wikia usernames so we can post who is facing who. And this wikia is just a little nice community; doesn't mean some of us don't have lifes. Sorry, they can't join.---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 21:25, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

forget i said that, they can think what they want, but they are my friends, so, i really want em in this tournament, u can call em dragonforce or despair_darkness, or juli & alf. they have names, so i hope they get in this. Yes, im Pato (talk • contribs) 21:31, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

They still can't. Think about it; how will they contact their opponent during the week they have to complete their Match if they don't even have a Wikia username?---<font style="background-color:red"> Yugioh DED ( talk  •  contribs ) 21:56, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah besides what's the matter about getting wikia accounts? You don't really have to contribute if you have an account though it's preferred. Hm........ wait I'm going to ask Necaremus and see if he wants to enter. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 22:56, August 16, 2010 (UTC)