Talk:Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia

About the Featured Card
I think is time to change it, the Cyber Dragon article has been there for a lot of time. Why was changed it back to the Cyber Dragon one? The Spirit Reaper and Demise article were good.

Dear,Yugioh Wikians
I Valas am starting a duel academy on my talk page check fpr quizs on mondaysValas 19:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Main page vandalism
Apparently, someone just vandalised the main page, could someone please restore the page and warn the vandal? Maelstromm 10:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I've been looking at the main page history and it seems like it's being vandalized all the time! Normally I would suggest restricting it or something but there's the previous discussion about locking the main page. (below) Robo Mike 07:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

You Know Why Cdip Sucked and why Stike of Neos is good
I Believe that they are putting in to many weak but cool looking anime cards such as cyberdark dragon which could become a solid deck type if there were better dragons.Son looks good because it has relativly good monsters. I was the guy who posted the duelist pack Zane release date originaly gimme credit. You may continue this discussion on my talk page Valas 15:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

-Nobody takes credit for anything on this Wikia, it is against the spitit of the GFDL, which I personally take very seriously. Credit for all content on the Wikia extends to every single contributor.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 23:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Should we include more card pics?
Right now we only have one pic of each card. Do you think we should include more (and maybe make them smaller for more room, people can click on them to get a better view.) --63.65.45.98 17:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

One image per card article is good enough, for three reasons.

1) Lack of room, since the image should be clear, and be of a decent size 2) This is a TCG-orientated Site, with info on the OCG translated into English 3) Card Galleries are already under construction to house every pic of every card. - TwoTailedFox

I've found alot of Japenese cards but where the number in the bottem left corner should be it instead reads "Replica" or without any number at all. Are these legitamite cards? --DarkMastero 20:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * They are perfectly legitimate, in the OCG, "Replica" is used to denote that the card has been reprinted. --TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 20:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

List of Decks
Its a little outdated, but this should help.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=250357

~ Yami_Michael

Excuse me, but...
Excuse me, but Ancient Sanctuary is not a discontinued set, the discontinued sets are the first five, Legend of Blue Eyes White Dragon, Metal Raiders, Magic Ruler, Pharaoh's Servant, and Labyrinth of Nightmare. Everything else is still out on the market.

I believe by "discontinued" they mean no longer in production. However, they can still be found in stores. I am not completely sure of this.

discontinued means no longer in production

Page widening problem
Hi, I've made some changes to the tables on the main page, they were covering over the Google ads on some screen resolutions. You have a lot on this page, you may want to consider moving some to another page. As you grow it will be even more difficult to fit every thing on. I'd suggest taking out everything under the card of the week, and moving it to it's own page. It's looking good though. Regards -- sannse (talk) 20:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll mark that as the first thing I'll do on my day off. I've fixed a few things that didn't look right, but kept the basic layout you edited. --TwoTailedFox 19:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Deck Type Redlinks
I have been working on fixing redlinks on the Main Page, specifically the Deck Type redlinks, but seeing as almost every single one of the Deck Type links are redlinks I can't do it alone. Since Deck Types are significant in Yu-Gi-Oh, we should concentrate on fixing as many of these redlinks as possible. I have fixed the following redlinks so far:

Burn Deck

Beatdown Deck

The articles which already exist are painfully short and uninformative. Please help; these redlinks must be fixed!


 * I'd help, but I only know of the decks that actually have articles so far. And for several years, I only played Beatdown. (Being on a limited budget sucks) Anything else I could help with? Jgamekeeper 06:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you know how categories work? Perhaps you could help to categorise the pages about the decks you know. Wikipedia:Help:Categories is very long, so perhaps not too useful, but basically, you type (or whatever you want to call the category) at the end of the page. Then you can follow the red link to the category page and give it a brief description (like "these pages are about "whatever"). Other things that need doing are just improving and expanding the existing pages, and also promoting the wiki to others who might be able to help. Angela talk 14:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Players ?
1.Can I add an article about the best Yu-Gi-Oh! players ? 2.Can I add an article about card's shortcuts ?


 * I would do articles about Individual players, liked from an Article, such as 'Notable Yu-Gi-Oh Players'
 * I'm not sure entirely what you mean.--TwoTailedFox 16:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I think he means real life players of the TCG. --63.65.45.98 04:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion
Someone should protect this page from vandalism.


 * That would be more damaging that helpful at this stage. The main page needs improving, and it's easy to revert vandalism. See Wikia:Help:Main Page for reasons this needs to be left open to encourage new users. Angela talk 08:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Is protecting this page from moving OK ?


 * Yes, I'll do that now. Angela talk 14:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Another idea: How about locking the page from anonymous users?--SWME 01:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you think it's necessary? It's not like it's under attact from anonymous users. Considering the majority of people who view it are anonymous users, it could be quite offputting and prevent people getting involved with the wiki. Angela talk 05:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I know it isn't for wikis this but it is only for the wikis that need it.--SWME 03:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't really think locking the main page from edits is a bad idea, considering that the past few attacks have mostly been done by anonymous users who didn't register/login. I propose that only the mods are allowed to edit the main page, this would definitely reduce the number of vandalism cases. And seeing as the wiki has grown by leaps and bounds since this issue was last discussed, I don't think the 'off-putting' of new users is that much of an issue. I believe that if the new users really want to contribute to this wiki, the locking of the main page won't put them off at all. Maelstromm 11:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Lock the effing Main Page. -- June 12:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Having a Main Page locked to edits is quite unwelcoming to new editors, and indeed, many fixes have been made to the main page by non-mainstream editors.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 15:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you say so, but it's rather annoying to come to the wiki only to find that vandals have struck 2 days in a row...Maelstromm 13:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Discontinued Packs
Excuse me but i never knew packs could be discontinued. Does anyone know why they got discontinued? If so leave the answer in my talk page. --Evil Yugi 14:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Singapore Yu-Gi-Oh! dub
Hey, guys! Did you know that there is a Singapore English dub of Yu-Gi-Oh!?

A thread at Janime ( http://www.janime.eu/showthread.php?t=15598 ) told me all about it.


 * Characters use dub names
 * Visuals are unaltered
 * The dialogue is a mix of US dub and uncut dialogue, like the uncut US dub

More or less, it is a different, exotic dub! WhisperToMe 01:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Too much on Main Page?
The main page is WAY too clunky. too much on it.... i would suggest breaking it up into subpages OR adding a template based "show/hide" (see Here for an example). Keeping the main stuff seperate butt adding the "show/Hide" chart under... --Midnight08 18:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I currently have plans in the Work to Branch out from the Main Page to at least 4 Seperate Sections, with the aid of some Image-based redirects. --TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 23:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * cool that sounds good... its not so bad now that i adjusted the HUGE pic of Breaker anyway lol=P --Midnight08 23:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

=) lol looks like some1 liked my "show/hide" idea =) Its a pain to get working, but really is worth it =) --Midnight08 20:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

The settings were so amn fiddly to work out. I had to go onto Wikipedia, and change the Wiki Javascript and CSS settings manually. I have no idea what I added, i just copied and pasted.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 20:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Merging Articles
I may be new here, but already I've noticed some explanation pages are really, really short. As wikipedia would put it, a stub. Wouldn't it be better to merge similar articles together in one page with subheadings? Examples would be the Monster card type pages (Warrior, Aqua, Pyro...etc) and perhaps a few other things like that?

At least you wouldn't have to load up a new page everytime to see everything. Louisisthebest 007 14:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

A page per subject allows each to be expanded, and cover a whole range of topics, withot having to spread to different pages later on. What is small now will be expanded upon in due course.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 15:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, TwoTailedFox is right. Some very short pages right now will get longer and longer as time goes by because this Wikia is not complete yet. There is still a lot of information about Yu-Gi-Oh! that isn't on this site yet, AnnaV 18:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Featured Card?
Maybe there's room for something else right now. Breaker's been there for quite a while. --Robo Mike

Ok, I see it's been altered. Excellent choice of cards and good article. Who writes this section? --Robo Mike 07:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That would be me *raises paw*--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 12:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Card Of the Day
I think we should have a "card of the Day" Article, If you call the "Featured Card" card of the day, but how can it be "card of the day" when its up for like 3 months? ~ AncientGear


 * Do I have the permission to change the "card of the day" Article if it is still the same even for a week? Omarz


 * I just changed it, and I'll try to keep them rotating every three weeks. I'd still like to do them, but I'd like suggestions ^.^.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 18:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you. It would be nice also to feature cards like Ojamas, not necessarily strong cards. That's my suggestion. Omarz


 * It is still Cyber Dragon... Omarz

Suggestion
You know, if you would protect the Main Page from editing, you wouldn't receive vandalism to it, I mean, just look at some of the other wikis... --85.130.10.245 22:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * We actually have very little Vandalism, and protecting a Main Page doesn't seem very inviting to new contributers.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 22:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, just a safety measure. I'm glad to see you trust your contributors so much, this should make for a very strong community in the future. --85.130.10.245 23:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Card Game Glitches
I've noticed a new topic in the main link section on the front page called Game Card Glitches. While I'm not against it, I am very confused on what it's actually for. There isn't any guidelines or content inside of it, just a load of alphabetised letters categories. Does anybody know what this topic is for, or will I have to make a awful pun about strange articles appearing out of nowhere being a 'glitch' or something? :P --Louisisthebest 007 14:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If would have a look at the Templates, I effectively added a link on every card on that. They're for cards whose effects are sometimes not reflected in the Games. Two notable examples: Blue Medicine only increasing the controller's Life Points, which happens in (nearly) every game it's appeared on, and in Tag Force, with Manticore of Darkness, you are not given the opportunity to activate it's effect. Glitches such as as this.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 16:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Attacks
i am trying to add all posibble attackes to their respective cards i am talking about for example the cards i ahve already done the sacred beast cards atacks (like hammons cerrulian sky fire attack) and ryu-ran's fire stream attack i plane to do the cyber dragons next and i would apprisiate help on this

In my opinion, it's not necessary. Unless there is a some page somewhere about what the monsters did in the manga/anime, the individual card pages should only be about what's on the card as well as associated rulings. Robo Mike 07:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Search Engine
Uh, I got bored, and the "add Yu-Gi-Oh! English" link in firefoxes search bar never worked for me, so I threw together a .src search plugin for the wikia. Does anyone like, care at all to want a copy? It's not packaged or anything, so it's just the .src and .png sitting there in the folder, but, you know. :O lolnotregisteredloldon'tknowhowtodothenamethinganyways. :>

It's easy. Just type ~. Robo Mike 02:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

is "/" a forbidden character in file names or wiki entries?
I'm particularly referring to the Demise/Doom OTK, if it's not fine, then would someone kindly fix it? --Robo Mike 18:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It's ok to use that, but if Demise existed then it would treat Demise/Doom OTK as a subpage of Demise and add an automatic backlink to Demise (which probably isn't a problem anyway). Angela talk 20:29, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, I want to change the Demise/Doom OTK page into the Advanced Ritual Art OTKs page, since I've heard of a couple more easy-to-do ones. Is there a way to rename wiki files? --Robo Mike 17:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

OVER PRICED CARDS
Yeah! I know I come from a time when STAR WARS cards were 25 cents a pack and you got that pink powdered stick of gum to go with it. True times have changed and with that so do prices unfortunaly - still I think most - well a good %90 anyway will agree when I say that todays prices are to much for so little when it comes to paying for a pack of cards these days - well where I am - the currant price is $4 a pack of cards. In the long run I do not really think I would mind paying these prices for my boys collection except that - for 1 - you dont even get the chance to fully come close to completing a full set before another card set comes out and they stop and throw on the new collection coming out - for example - the PGD or MFC or the late great LBO series. I also would not mind paying an outragous price niether if they the company wasnt so cheap to put more cards in a deck when bought and paid for - well for these outragous prices for a deck that costs them only about 20 cents to make a card - its like buying a bag of chips - you get a couple chips in the bag and the rest is all air - Well I hope the spirit will awaken in those that put out these YU-GI-OH cards and lower their prices - otherwise they will see as they are now a decline in sales and YU-GI-OH die hards. True the only way they are staying in game is comming out with at times a new card here and there to keep the gamers somewhat happy, other than that its the same cards borrowed unto the next deck. Collecting YU-GI-OH is getting to expensive of a hobby to pay and not fair enough in getting the cards people need and want for their decks.I am for sure if the price was downsized a dollar - which these card companies can live with - there would be an explosive new generation of Yu-GI-OH card collectors projecting there market more skyward than ever before. So in short I say to the card companies DONT! BE CHEAP! if you want us collectors - lower the price - add a few extra cards - and distribute the cards to a longer life on the shelfs or feel youre market drop in size - and dont forget the pink stick of gum. If you agree drop a line - stoneskyman@hotmail.com

Making the wiki more professional
In order to make this wiki more professional, we must prevent the use of Duelist lingo throughout the pages. Number one, Duelist lingo does not accurately describe the mechanics of the game. These terms include KO, killing, and such. On another computer my attempts to clean this up have been severely attacked. Will anyone help me out? While in a duel between two Duelists who know most all of the cards used, informal terms can be fun. However, in a wiki, we must be more formal. --74.194.118.12 21:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Destiny Heroes
The Destiny Hero page has recieved a lot of my contributions. However, other users have been reverting my most recent revisions to my own description of the cards, particularly about the British culture references in the cards. If you must revise the page, get rid of most of the description and start from scratch. If no one likes this, I will revise the subject back to it's most simple of description. I will then consider reverting back to my old revisions plageurism, and therefore I will file a law suit. --74.194.118.12 21:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

By submitting anything, you already agreed to the GFDL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL) and already assume that anything you submitted is not copyrighted. Did you read the bottom of the text box when you make an edit? No one takes credit for anything in the wiki. And "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here." You can't sue and will probably lose if you do.

Granted, you are right about the British references.

Oh yeah, I removed the reference to the Neo-Spacians because I feel they are are irrelevant and don't relate to the D-Heroes or even the E-Heroes themes for the most part. --Robo Mike 09:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Hate to break it to you 74.194.118.12, but no-one owns copyright to anything they submit here. Not even me, and I started the template system!. Anything sumbitted here is done for the good of the community, and is free for anyone to take, redesign, and resumbit.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 11:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm through with this. I was just trying to be scary because I was guessing it was someone more arrogant about revisions. Sorry about it all. --74.194.118.12 01:36, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Archives

 * I've noticed TwoTailedFox and others have done archives on their talk pages. How do you do this? --Evil Yugi 17:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Pictures of anime characters

 * I was curious as to whether there was a reason there are no pictures of the anime characters. If there's no reason, I thought I could upload some. Danny Lilithborne 07:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikia Blogs
This wiki is included in our new Wikia Blogs feature. To get involved, just add snippets of this wiki's best articles to MediaWiki:Blog snippet each day and that content will appear on the Wikia Gaming Blog. Please see Wiki to blog for an introduction and Wikia Blogs for a list of wikis involved in this. Angela talk 15:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I have Changed the Featured Card
The Cyber Dragon article was getting old - Dark Flare Knight

Separate documentation and pics for alternate arts?
I thought it might be interesting to make a list of alternate art cards, and potentially provide pics for each distinct art. Any takers?


 * I'm all for making a list of Alt. Art cards, and we already plan to document -every- Artwork/Rarity as a matter of completeness here.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 23:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice. I found out recently that the G5 variant of Big Shield Gardna is considered an alt. art version of the card, though its only difference is in the rays of light in the background. I noticed this thanks in part to Tag Force GX for the PSP, in which you are able to collect alternate card arts in exchange for your GX medals in part 3. I will list anything else I discover.


 * Found the alternate art page, and made a few additions to the list. Also removed Soul of the Pure, which falls under edited cards.

About Insect Deck
Hello, I think the article about insect deck is not very good.

DNA Surgery + Insect Barrier + Insect Queen + Insect Princess is absolutely ineffective. Insect Queen and Insect Princess have really low ATK, and their effects totally depend on DNA Surgery. Without DNA Surgery, they cannot do nothing.

DNA Surgery + Insect Barrier is also very weak. You will use 6 places for those cards in your deck, and not sure about to get each of them every time. Even you have DNA Surgery + Insect Barrier on your side of field, your opponent can very easily destroy one of them.

If you make your insect deck like this, you will surely lose.

The best way to build up a pure Insect Deck is to use Howling Insect + Ultimate Insect LV3, and Pinch Hopper + Brain Crusher. Insect Imitation, Doom Dozer, Chainsaw Insect, Insect Knight, Swarm of Locusts, and Swarm of Scarabs are all great choices. I know it, because I already tried all of the Insect Combos.

Can I make a big change at the page of Insect Deck?

Thank you very much.

Message Board
Users of the Yu-gi-oh Wikia: I have thought of an idea which will make this wiki WAY better; A message board! We could discuss things we need to do on the wikia, talk about our decks, discuss the anime/manga, and just talk about Yu-Gi-Oh in general. I think it's a good idea. Who's with me? --Quad-Horned Six Headed Dragon 22:42, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Already one present here. Use it ^^--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 02:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * We're trying out forums for the runescape wiki. The accounts are tied to wiki accounts and you can use wikitext in them. If this would be useful to you, let me know and we could add one for this wiki too. Angela talk

10,000!
Congratulations to everyone on reaching 10,000 pages! Good luck for the next 10,000. Angela talk 21:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Partner Projekt/Partner project
Deutsch:Bitte fügt unter der Hauptseite ein, dass http://yugioh.acc.de/yugioh ein Partner Projekt ist, wir haben dies bereits getan.

English:Please put under the mainpage the url http://yugioh.acc.de/Yugioh, we've do that.
 * Warum? -- Deltaneos 12:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Categorizing
Did you guys ever consider, maybe, organizing the card pages a little better? They're all kinda just dumped into the TCG and OCG ones. Why not organize them into sub-cats by expansion pack? Jjust a suggestion.

Phantom Darkness
The pack Phantom Darkness needs to be updated it has stayed thtat way for a long time.

i have found some new cards that are possible to be in there, King-Mist, Chimeratech Fortress Dragon, and Phantom Gunner. There Are also rumors that, Cybernetic Fusion Support, Power Wall, and Cyber Varywill be in this pack.

Thank you and please update soon.

Specualtion on what will be in packs isn't adknowledged here. Big Boss 0 14:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Improvement Ideas
I've taken a short look around the wiki and noted a few things that could be improved (^_^ of course I'm willing to help somewhat with fixing them); I signed in all the sections and left a line in between them so you can feel free responding inline just indenting another level from me.
 * Forums
 * I see that this wiki has an external forum. However it is not easily known, and it only has a grand total of 1 topic with 2 posts and only 2 registered users to discuss things. It's always good to have a place to discuss the general things about the wiki other than the Main Page's Talkpage. There are 2 options that work here on Wikia; The old DPL Forums, and the new phpBB Forums. Both of them are enabled for use with WikiText (So you can actually use an internal link which works locally when you are discussing a page), and both of them use a user's already existing user account so people don't need to log in to 2 locations with 2 different accounts just to discuss the wiki. And the phpBB still has the feel of being a real forum. You can see the DPL Forums in use on central at w:Forum:Index and the new phpBB Forums on Inside and Runescape (here and here). It's quite possible to set up either of these systems for use here. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk&#124;local) Sep 16, 2007 @ 02:52 (UTC)


 * Main Page
 * Blatantly put the Main Page is extremely large, crowded (code wise and visually), unorganized, and definitely needs improvement. There are a few interesting ideas to fix them:
 * Wikia has a new TabView Extension that one of the Techs created. It's possible to separate the Main Page's areas by tabs, that way instead of scrolling around the Main Page you can flick through tabs to the section that you actually want.
 * Another note about this Tab System, is that it can actually do AJAX requests for tabs. So it's possible for it to only load one tab on the page load, and load the other tabs when people need them. With that being the case, the large main page wouldn't be loaded unless the person wanted all of it.
 * It's also possible to split up all of the Main Page into other pages. So only the layout is located on the Main Page. That way the page code is easier to read and edit. It also means that if a large vandal attack comes by it's possible to protect the Main Page without removing the ability to edit it because the individual parts can still be edited by everyone. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk&#124;local) Sep 16, 2007 @ 02:52 (UTC)


 * Ruby
 * Using the ruby markup is an interesting idea for putting out readable Japanese characters. But looking over the support of it... It's not a proper standard yet and I checked the 4 major browser rendering engines (Rendering Engines are what determine how a Browser displays something, so even though IE and AOL are 2 different browsers, they use the same engine so they render the same...) One natively supports it, one needs an extension installed to work, and the other 2 don't support it at all. In fact, if you're running on a mac, you need to install a browser and and extension just to be able to see the ruby text. Which means that the fair fraction of users who could quite possibly be reading from a School Mac which only has Safari and they do not have the ability to install Firefox and add an Extension to it can't properly read the site. Remember that wikis should be readable by all people without unfair or favored standards.
 * Then to add onto that, the  and   tags are not supported. So a bad form of syntax is used here. This bad syntax works bad for selecting. If you go to Sparks in either Firefox with the Extension or IE (Though it's easier to notice in Firefox cause IE doesn't show you the problem as well) when you try to select just the base text, or the ruby text you can't properly select them and copy them, it tries to copy the other text and ends up screwing it all up.
 * And finally, the code is long, and hard to read. It messes up the readability of the WikiText and makes it harder to read and write the Japanese text when there's a mistake in it.
 * But, I'm not saying to completely ditch the idea of using something that has as nice a presentational output as ruby. In fact, I think it can be improved even more. I'm part of Wikia's Volunteer Tech team (^_^ Fancy way of saying I have active contact with Wikia's Techs, and access to the Development server Wikia set up for Volunteers to help contribute code, but can't do anything about actually fixing a bug in a Wiki... lol), and I'm quite familiar with MediaWiki. It should be possible to create a nice extension that will make it easy and intuitive to add the presentational features of Ruby to code... And also make it so that it will display whether or not a person has a browser setup which supports the Ruby text.
 * In fact, instead of typing this:
 * 火(ひ) の 粉(こ)
 * It could be possible to type something like this:
 * 火の粉 ひ こ
 * And have it output something that uses ruby when the person has a ruby enabled browser, and also have a fallback that still renders the same even when in a browser which does not support ruby.
 * I'd be happy to discuss the syntax, create the extension, and have the Techs install it on Wikia. In fact, it's probably the type of extension that would fit nicely on MediaWiki.org's list of extensions and have a place installed globally on Wikia for other wiki to use. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk&#124;local) Sep 16, 2007 @ 02:52 (UTC)
 * I drafted up a comparison of possible output formats here with details on them. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk&#124;local) Sep 16, 2007 @ 05:18 (UTC)
 * I've done some more research into ruby, and there's an interesting style sheet that may help. The more advanced features of Ruby markup aren't supported, but the CSS basically makes ruby markup render correctly in all browsers. The markup used needs to be fixed up and written correctly (if you use it in Opera when people mix ruby tags with normal text it has some bad results) So we can still output ruby without forcing users to install some extension for Firefox or use IE. But we use WikiTables to make tables easier to read and use, the * ; : and # give us simple lists and indents, etc... So I still feel that a extension to give ruby a more intuitive interface should be created. So I'd like to discuss ideas for the markup that could be used. Remember a few things; WikiText does not require that everything be XML markup. So unlike in HTML we can give a more visual feel to the code used to create the ruby text. Here are a few ideas because my previous one has a few issues to it. These ideas just place a set of syntax in between two tags. Everything placed in between those will be handled by the extension as MediaWiki normally dictates. So what type of markup or whatever we use inside could be anything, plain text or markup based without having issues.
 * In this idea we give it a multi-line feel. The top line will be used as the ruby text, and the lower line will be the base. Using |'s separates the characters so that multiple ruby text characters can be used for one of the ones below. As shown in the examples, we can ignore whitespace at the start and end so that we can still line things up.

ひ| |こ 火|の|粉
 * In this idea we write out the text, and place the ruby text inside of [brackets], we could use (brackets) though if we want, but remember that this in input, not output. The markup could use another set of brackets if we wanted them to. Or we could simply state in the extension that anything inside of brackets such as, [], {}, or <> should be the ruby-text for a ruby base outside. Although it does work for multi-character ruby-texts, it may need markup tweaks to work for multiple character ruby-bases.

火[ひ]の粉[こ]
 * Or going with the bracket scheme, ruby-bases could be placed inside of [square brackets] with ruby-texts inside of (round braces). Characters without braces would be treated as normal characters, but still rendered inside of ruby markup so that they don't end up lined up differently. It's a little longer and less viewable, but it does support multi-character ruby-bases.

(火)[ひ]の(粉)[こ]
 * Remember with these that it is also possible to use mode or other attribute in the XML tag around them to make it so that multiple type of syntaxes can be used. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk&#124;local) Sep 16, 2007 @ 12:07 (UTC)


 * Wiki Customization
 * Judging by the few edits to the MediaWiki: namespace (The sidebar isn't even customized), the out of date Show/Hide (that CSS isn't even needed anymore), the fact that Monobook.(js|css) is used instead of Common.(js|css) where it should be, that the site's JS is hotlinking to Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects and contains useless code (^_^ And also says Wikipedia in the Tooltips in the CSS page containing JS), and the fact that there is JavaScript on a CSS page O_o, that there is no-one in this project which has much experience with customizing MediaWiki or working with JavaScript or CSS.
 * I'd be happy to fix various things. Such as migrating JS to where it belongs, adding up to date scripts that work correctly, etc... ^_^ I could even customize the skins for the wiki and give it a nice color-scheme. Also, the EditTools are a little tall, I have a script used in Wikia ACG which gives the ability for a user to collapse the inside of the EditTools box and that'll persist across pages for them. I could install that here to. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk&#124;local) Sep 16, 2007 @ 02:52 (UTC)


 * Images
 * Some of the images, such as Image:Dark.gif are of fairly low quality. I do know of a good SVG artist, if you want I could request that he create some Free licensed images which will look better than those, be able to scale up without lowering quality, and won't cause the issue of a having poorly rationale use of Fair use which probably wouldn't stand up in a court. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen -local (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk&#124;local) Sep 16, 2007 @ 02:52 (UTC)