User talk:Deltaneos

Fanslations
Hey, Delt. Not a bad job you and the others have done with the place.

A long time ago, there was a thread on Pojo that I consider the predecessor to things like this wiki - a thread that saw inaccurate fanlations abroad and decided "this doesn't make sense, the card actually says _______."

In that thread there were a few conventions laid down, and I found them quite practical - one that really stuck out was "Konami knows the intention it has for card names far better than we do."

I've been seeing this defied in various places on the wikia, and I was wondering what I could do to combat such.

I've also been seeing people treat Shriek as an "official source" more often as of late, and this itself distresses me, since I'm one of the guys who bothers to try to catch Shriek's mistakes. The guy's not perfect.

Got any reccomendations on how I might combat these misgivings?

EDavidR (talk • contribs) 12:03, June 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not everyone on an English site is going to know Japanese or have some understanding of how the language works. If the first translation they see is a mis- or alternate translation of the English name Konami/UDE/4Kids choose they assume it's the original name and the English version changed the name. e.g. "Revise Dragon"/"Leviath Dragon". It can be difficult to explain this when someone has become accustomed to an old translation and doesn't want to accept the new one.
 * We obviously can't educate every current and future user in enough basics of Japanese to tell when an English name is an intended translation of the Japanese. So there's not a lot of counter measures to stop them happening in the first place. You can still fix them as you find them though. If the same page frequently gets changed by different users to use a fan translation, you can add hidden text along the lines of  and some similar message if it's a pure mistranslation that's constantly added. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:02, June 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * A sober and effective means of handling it, as usual. I was right to come to you. I'll be informing you if anyone gives me any further flak about such matters.


 * One thought still occupies me - does the wiki have a decently dedicated listing of "users who actually know Japanese well enough to be taken as worthwhile authorities?" It may be useful for a team to organize and end disputes on matters of this sort, by putting down any old misguided fanlations that've somehow missed our ken, and I kind of am still a bit shaken by the few risky comments I've seen that drove me to you in the first place. (The suggestion that we ought take shriek as official really messed with me; it's as backward an idea as taking this wiki itself official, and as nice as a thing we have here, there are reasons wikis can't be trusted at all times, and those reasons are reasons that no wiki may escape, not even this one.)


 * In short, I think I'd like to assemble a crack team of people-able-to-correct-fanlators.EDavidR (talk • contribs) 13:42, July 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Our main go-to guy for definitive answers on Japanese translations is ; IIRC, he's a Japanese native. Other than that, I don't know anyone offhand, though maybe Delt does. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:57, July 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * III is the best Japanese speaker here that I'm aware of. Their English isn't as strong as most other users, but they're still very good at translating names and phrases, just not long sentences or paragraphs. I'd still trust III's translations over anyone on any Yu-Gi-Oh! fansite. No, I don't know for definitive if they're a native. They don't seem to want to give away much personal information. (Hence the gender-neutral pronouns.)
 * Deus Ex Machina knows enough to translate rulings, but admits he's not very good at translating much else.
 * After that there are some users with basic knowledge of the language, enough to translate katakana and know how to use a dictionary for hiragana and kanji words. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:42, July 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * And then one notch below that is people like myself, who can't use a dictionary for kanji but are able to make somewhat-intelligent use of Google Translate and other online translation services (for whatever that's worth). =D 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:52, July 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Excellent on all fronts. I'll see what I can do. A net-wide fanlation team would be great, you know - one that transcends various sites.EDavidR (talk • contribs) 19:36, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

VSTF
Just noticed that you're now a VSTF member (while lurking about on the Recipes Wikia, of all places); very cool and congratulations! =D 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:09, July 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I've been one for jut under two weeks now. (You never struck me as someone interested in cooking before.) -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:20, July 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm not that much, truth be told (I generally lack the patience for cooking; rather ironic considering I'm perfectly fine spending two hours working on a template to fix an obscure corner case =D )... I just randomly decided to look something up on it, and while I was there, I looked at their recent changes, and lo and behold, whose name should I see but yours? =D 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:26, July 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * BTW, if it's the sort of thing you can talk about, what sort of tools do you get access to as a member of VSTF that admins/b-crats don't? (anything interwiki-flavored?) =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:30, July 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * They're all listed in Special:ListGroupRights. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:33, July 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Aah, right, guess I should've thought of looking there. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:36, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Material Monsters/Materials
I just wanna remind ya that the Expert Ruling article still has "Material Monsters" included the list of "Tournament Guidelines", except for "Xyz" name. Oh and for Elemental HERO list flaw; "Elemental HERO Inferno" was listed in that navibox twice. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:54, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Watermarked Images
Are watermarked images okay (Eg, a card image with some site's name printed over something).BobaFett2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:39, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


 * They're sometimes used a last resort, when no other images of the card can be obtained. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:47, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * That solves a lot of problems (unfortunately people don't really post enough unlimited images online).BobaFett2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:48, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Once we do get a proper image file, I think those Watermarked Images need to be completely deleted.  Glittersword  Talk • Contributions 21:49, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

PitfulRevenge2 & PitifulRevenge
Hey, Deltaneos, I need a favor. There's this guy stalking me by the two usernames you see above. He's been causing problems on the Narutopedia orginal, but Jacce-senapi, one of the admins there, think it's best if you block this users' accounts forever, to avoid problems. He'll keep stalking me. I know you're part of the Spam TaskForce, can you do me this favor? He's harassing me.-- Ninja Sheik  16:34, July 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * This is harassment from an editor, who didn't get their way, rather than pure vandalism. I think this falls slightly outside the scope of VSTF and is usually left to staff. But it has been passed on to them and someone has dealt with him now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:15, July 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. However, is there a possibility that he could just come back just by creating another account?-- Ninja Sheik  18:17, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Message received. Thank you.-- Ninja Sheik  18:50, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Spell of Pentagram

 * TTF seems to have forgotten to rename the image when he moved Spell of Pentagram (or was it you? o_O), but the image is broken now, so could you rename the image, please? Thanks.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 14:55, July 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * He renamed the image. He just forgot to forgot to update the article to use the new filename. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:11, July 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. Well, thanks, anyway.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 16:42, July 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hehe... "He just forgot to forgot to update the article..." - Did you just mistake write those words twice? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:44, July 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oops, yes. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:55, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hobby's, interests?
You don't have to be shy, if you spend an insane amount of time here you might aswell introduce yourself to the others. Like tell us what your name is, where you live, if your a male or female, what your intrests are etc.

Nothing beats being social


 * Real name is Morgan and I am from Milford, Ohio (Outside of Cincinnati). I am 46 and despite what Morgan Fairchilde's parents caused when they gave her that first name, I am a guy.  (Morgana is the female version of the name).  I am a serious reader, love movies, comics, Scifi etc...  Glittersword  Talk • Contributions 21:56, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Batch image download
Do you know if there is a way to bulk Download the image files without going to each and every page. Glittersword Talk • Contributions 21:56, July 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Every single image on the wiki or a specified set of images? -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:22, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Article boilerplate
I've been working a bit on a Set Card Galleries boilerplate, and I think I have most of the needed functionality down (it still needs most of the flagicons to be added, and it still requires you to manually fill in the localized set name in the appropriate locations (and, obviously, you have to fill in all the card images/details yourself), but other than that, it should be pretty much feature-complete and is fully automated); do you see anything that should be added or changed? If you're wondering, I'm going to use this and similar boilerplates written for list and ratio pages as a basis for developing a template to do much of this automatically; feel free to start these boilerplates (or other ones for card info pages; I intend to add lots to this) if you'd like. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:11, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks good.
 * Have you tried subst:#ask to get the local set name from the main set article?
 * I don't think more than one flag per language is needed. United Kingdom flag for English/English Worldwide, United States flag for North American English, Europe flag for European English and Australia flag for Australian/Oceanic English. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:53, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not yet, but I'd been thinking about it. The main problem (one that's been holding up several other projects of mine, too) is that currently, property coverage of these names is spotty at best; the situation should improve considerably, though, when I finally get around to finishing OCG-TCG set table and we deploy it.
 * I suspected as much; I'll update the boilerplate in a minute. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:20, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh! Rage
Don't you have a page for ygo abridged? How come yugioh rage is less important? What if i get 10,000 views will that be popular enough for ya? —This unsigned comment was made by 64.122.31.62 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sure there are thousands of fan made unofficial Yu-Gi-Oh! projects. This wiki is mostly for official stuff. Only very widely recognised unofficial stuff is documented. Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Series is one of the biggest and very popular, so it qualifies.
 * It's hard to measure exactly how popular something unofficial must be before it's considered notable enough to have an article. I don't think 10,000 views would really be enough. Plus if the only people creating articles for a fan series are those somehow involved in making it, it's generally not considered notable enough. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:24, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Question for you
I would like to know how you doing those color thing with navibox in your lists... you know, for GX manga? I would like to use them for my "Collection" pages, so I could not have them listed different. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:26, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're talking about. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:30, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I mean that article you have which covered each Yu-Gi-Oh! Manga "summary"... So for the "Box"; it's little hard to explain from what I have knowledge - I like to have a color code for each group of cards in my Collection Article. Like Yellow color code for Normal Monster, Brown (seemed to be correct color) for Effect Monster, Blue for Ritual, Purple for Fusion, etc. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:39, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * You mean like this page? If not, could you link to an example page? -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:42, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea, and I am sure you know much about color codes for those "boxes". -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:44, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think I see what you mean. For pages like this, you want to colour code each row by the type of card? For example:


 * Click edit this section to see how I did it. It's basically adding  after each   before a row.
 * If you want to change the colour of the main heading, replace  with   and replace   with the colour you want.
 * I have colour codes at User:Deltaneos/Colours somewhat close to the official ones if you want to copy them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:23, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's exact what I am looking for, as I knew you're the person to respond. :-) -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:22, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * For some cards you've used the top colour and for others the bottom. The top ones are the colours of the borders of the cards, while the bottom ones are the colour of the text/lore area. I'd advise using the bottom ones for all, since they're lighter and easier to read black and blue text off. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:28, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

A few things
This card and "Time Travel" appear to have slightly different kanji. Would it be best to split the articles because of that? Also, I just stumbled across Deck Gallery:Pete Coppermine. Was it a test page for an abandoned project? I like the idea of that page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:07, July 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not actually kanji, despite what the template parameter is called. Kanji are the characters borrowed from the Chinese alphabet. They're the more complicated ones: 機械改造工場. Kana are the characters which represent syllables. Kana consists of hirigana, used for Japanese words, and katakana, used for non-Japanese words. Katakana are straight-ish lines connect at angles: ブラック・マジシャン. Hirigana are curvier: きかいかいぞうこうじょう. It's katakana in this case.
 * I agree they should separate articles. (Turns out they do.) It looks like "Time Travel" (Worm Slip) is based on "Dimensionhole" (Worm Hole) and deliberately given a different name to be treated as a different card. And as TwoTailedFox pointed out in the page history, both cards appear in the same anime series, as different cards.
 * Bit of both about the Deck galleries. It's not something I'm really interested in anymore, but I don't mind if someone else works on them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:22, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Edited Art Category

 * Hey Delta. Do you think an Edited Art Category would be a good idea? To add a category to cards whose art has been changed via censorship, revising, etc.? I know we have that one page that lists them all, but sometimes, it can be a bit difficult to notice new cards that have modified art.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 13:54, July 11, 2011 (UTC)