Talk:Lswarm

Steelswarm a sub-archetype
So does this mean that Steelswarm is a sub-archetype to Verz?? Like Xx-Saber-Xsaber, R-Genex-Genex??? So Verz's supports support Steelswarm but Steelswarm support doesnot support VERZ entirely? can someone confirm this? 33royward (talk • contribs) 05:08, September 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * A quick check of the kanji reveals that's correct. "Verz" support cards support "Steelswarms", but not the other way around. The fact that the TCG changed "Inverz" to "Steelswarm" complicates things as far as how to word support cards. Hopefully the TCG name for "Verz" will help clear that up when we get to that point. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:20, September 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, should we list every Steelswarm as a Verz member? LastMinute (talk • contribs) 06:53, September 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea, i think we should 33royward (talk • contribs) 06:56, September 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good work, guys. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:19, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

The idea where Steelswarm Roach survives the fight against Vylon and infects the other duel terminal making them "Verz" monsters is sort of weird. how would the infected ones become the main archetype from the sub-archetype. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 06:07, September 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe Verz became the main archetype after the destruction of Steelswarm monsters (something like the Six Samurais and Legendary Six Samurais) because in the story of "Duel Terminal" the Steelswarms were the first who unleashed the "Infestation" to the world, but when the "Vylon" monsters and the other arquetypes defeated them, the only survivor was Steelswarm Roach. Behind him are blue flames, similar to the color of the "Verz" symbol, and considering that he appeared after when the rest of the "Steelswarms" were exterminated, he spread the "Verz" virus to the other archetypes, and since in theory, the "Steelswarms" no longer exist in the history, the "Verz" became the main archetype (I know, it's complicated, but as I said, they are similar to the "Samurais", in some way).

Dragunity_Slifer (talk • contribs) 16:58, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Major Page Editing
Cmon, this page need a major editing. Its really revealed that Steelswarm is the Sub-archetype to Verz and yet some statement does not make sense like the statement:

"Evidently, this archetype share a close name with "Steelswarm" (Inverz, インヴェルズ), an archetype from the previous Duel Terminal story arc."

cmon, it share a close name because Steelswarm IS a Verz Sub-archetype. also another statement is:

"The strategy of the "Verz" seems to be similar to the "Steelswarm"...."

Duh? They have similar strategy because they are of the same archetype. Somebody, we need a major Page Editing. 33royward (talk • contribs) 00:27, September 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * They are goddamn NOT same archetype. It's because Steelswarm is INverz, while Verz alone is NOT Swarm. Verz is indeed "Steel" but known as Virus (not you, Seto, so shut up about money) that can corrupt the monsters and turned them against the rivals. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:37, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Its because Steelswarm IS Verz but Verz is not Steelswarm. Steelswarm is a sub-archetype. 33royward (talk • contribs) 00:49, September 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * That therefore straight your previous respond, you said "similar to the Steelswarm"... But they do not have similar strategy, Steelswarm lacked Xyz while Verz does. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:51, September 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, i just want to say that I said that first statement, "Evidently, this archetype share a close name with "Steelswarm" (Inverz, インヴェルズ), an archetype from the previous Duel Terminal story arc.", you said was my work. Yeah, i know it sounds weird, but i wasn't so sure at first, until now that is. So, you can change that if you want. just letting you guys know. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 01:01, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Steel?
Any source for this? We should not speculate on what the English name will be. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:33, September 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well i think that it should be called Steel because you got "Inverz" which is "Insect Verz". I'm pretty sure they switched the two to make "Verz Insect" hence getting the name "Steelswarm" ("Verz" = "Steel" and "Insect" = "Swarm"). Youngsevon (talk • contribs) 22:37, September 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then you're speculating. For one, that would create confusion with other "Steel" cards. "Steel Ogre Grotto 1", and "Steel Fan Fighter", for example. Those are clearly not "Verz" cards. You cannot just assume that's what they'll change it to. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:39, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Verz = Evilswarm
Scanned an import DT13 Verz Kaitos, and the english machine displayed his name as Evilswarm Ketos.

Photos later tonight. I don't have any more Verz imports to scan in for other names, though. —This unsigned comment was made by Piconoe (talk • contribs) 23:41, April 14, 2012

http://i.imgur.com/kd8sb.jpg

changing page names now

Piconoe (talk • contribs) 00:39, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I'm YRPOtaku169! 03:24, April 15, 2012 (UTC) Are we sure this is really the translated name? Because this seems rather...lazy...

Yeah, is that what DT card images look like? >_> --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:25, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * If this is true, I guess we're going to have a lot of erratas for cards that support both swarms. Just seems so sloppy to me...--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 03:50, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, actually, I don't think erratas would be needed if this was real. Inverz support cards don't support Verz cards, so the future cards could just say "Steelswarm" and "Evilswarm", and the older cards could remain the same. But that said, this image looks fake to me. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:55, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * You think maybe cards like that will just say "Swarm Monsters"? Just a random thought since we don't even know if this is real yet. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:01, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * That would conflict with "Swarm of Scarabs" and "Swarm of Locusts". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:11, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't they do it like with Frog the Jam? Bah, it was just a thought either way. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:54, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Whatever the case, one image in crappy quality with no backup source of any kind is by no means given fact. Until Shriek or another credible source says otherwise, it's staying Verz. The Pope 04:20, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 04:21, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * K if you guys are going to be faggots about it, I'll record a video of it tomorrow. There doesn't need to be a backup source, Konami makes the damn machines. If you're too ignorant to know what an Action Duel X screenshot looks like you don't really have any business making judgments on this.


 * Changing back to Evilswarm because it's as real as the March 2012 banlist.


 * We're not going to wait 5 months for Duel Terminal 7a to come out in English because we don't need to. It's right here, the card reads just fine in current machines.

Piconoe (talk • contribs) 04:28, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you done with your ignorant rant? Back to Verz until you show us this "proof". --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:56, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Love how actual clear photography of an English DT machine doesn't count as proof to you lot. I'll be sure to dedicate a few middle fingers to all of you idiots in denial tomorrow night after the YCS. Piconoe (talk • contribs) 04:58, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * I really don't care personally. You're acting like that picture can't possibly be fake. I'm not saying it is fake, but we need to know for sure. You had absolutely no business coming in here and throwing a hissy fit over this issue. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:01, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's a video of the Action Duel X Duel Terminal thing. They don't even show the card name like the screenshot shows until 6:20. I'm iffy about it, personally, but you can decide how valid this is.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 11:45, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well now that I've seen the video, this does seem far more credible. Perhaps if Piconoe hadn't repeatedly referred to us by derogatory names we would have taken him more seriously. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 14:22, April 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Uh...are you sure you posted the right video? From the looks of it, that's about 3 months old, and I didn't see any Verzes/"Evilswarms" in sight. At 6:20 all I saw was Fabled Leviathan standing there looking spooky.The Pope 15:43, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * The point was that this picture uses the same font and whatnot that the DT machine uses in the video. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 15:53, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * If that's all that proves, then it's still not enough. Photoshops are ridiculously easy to do if you know what the source material looks like; how do you think we get those dozens of fake ban lists come every February/August? This could easily just be a photoshop using the same materials. The Pope 16:22, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * My thoughts exactly. Photoshop can do wonders. Even if the screenshot is real, there's no other source to back it up, so we can't go off of it until we get another source confirming it. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:26, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Lol denial. ~10 photos coming in about 20 minutes, the camera I brought apparently can't record video. Be prepared to remove your head from your hindquarters. Piconoe (talk • contribs) 22:53, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Denial? How is needing more than 1 picture for proof denial? We don't just put stuff up here because of 1 picture. Go ahead and post pictures, because that's what we wanted. God, you are arrogant. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 22:57, April 15, 2012 (UTC)


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 * 71.91.167.148 (talk) 01:31, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Kinda weird, so... is Steelswarm still consider a sub-archetype? like are we still basing on their japanese names? 24.83.215.20 (talk) 01:38, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the English names are irrelevant. That being said, they English cards will probably print "Verz" support cards as "Steelswarm" or "Evilswarm", since just "Swarm" conflicts with other cards. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:42, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * So it is true. Cool. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:46, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to believe him, yes. However, I would advise against running around and moving every "Verz" article just yet. If this is true, It's likely to be reported somewhere else soon enough (though I certainly won't revert any moves that do get done. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:53, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * So it is true. Cool. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:46, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's my question...how does an English machine have information on a set that isn't even printed yet? The Pope 01:50, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Beta version, like many Halos shits. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:51, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * DTs can read two sets ahead of where they are in the TCG (but CANNOT read Duel Terminal Promos such as Genex Neutron, Steelswarm Roach or Gem-Knight Emerald) Because of this, you can scan in anything from DT12 or DT13, despite our current machines being on DT06a TCG (DT11). 71.91.167.148 (talk) 02:00, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, people won't be reporting on this because this is original research rather than any kind of publication. Relying on news sites for something like this is unrealistic. Nobody cares about Duel Terminal gameplay, as far as regular douchebags are concerned DTs are for putting in money and getting cards from. We only know this because we thought to do the research on our own. This isn't ever going to be on someplace like shriek because that's not the kind of reporting they do. 71.91.167.148 (talk) 02:00, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Er...what are you talking about? They have stuff in Duel Terminals all the time. The Pope 04:42, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome to try to find a single Duel Terminal news article that isn't just a Duel Terminal set listing made around the time Japan or the US get their respective releases.


 * You won't though. 71.91.167.148 (talk) 05:11, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

I thought the majority decision was to leave it Verz for now. What happened? --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:26, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * How about that, huh? Guess not. 71.91.167.148 (talk) 00:26, April 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would have waited just a bit more to have the second half of the names confirmed before moving them; so we don't need to move them twice.
 * Guess we went with it as soon as Deltaneos moved the rest of the pages and images. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:00, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's common practice here to use confirmed archetype names along with unconfirmed individual names. Otherwise, we should go and rename Evigishki Zealgigas to Eviritua, for example. Piconoe (talk • contribs) 02:51, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

I love how you dickheads have the proof in front of your eyes and you are just too much of a hard-headed dick to change it. I mean, its there, why don't change it, morons? It's evilswarm, the devastation cards will support swarm monsters, or "Lswarm". You got the proof, take the dick out of your heads and leave it there. --Yes, im Pato (talk • contribs) 03:21, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, who the hell are you?Piconoe (talk • contribs) 03:26, April 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * ...It's already been changed. What are you even talking about, Pato? And do not insult other users like that. There is no reason for it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:45, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

The name stood, there is nothing else to discuss here. And regarding my vocabulary, today is self-claimed Dick-Day. So, instead of saying fucking in the middle of everything, I'll add Dick :) . Have a good discussion. --Yes, im Pato (talk • contribs) 03:56, April 20, 2012 (UTC)