Talk:Red Nova Dragon


 * This page shouldn't be deleted, Scarlet Nova Dragon has been officially announced in one of the upcoming episodes of Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's, so why shouldn't it have a page of its own. The type and level might not be known or anything but in this case it follows the line of Shooting Star Dragon who kept the same type and it's level can't be higher because Shooting Star Dragon is the ace monster of the main hero of the series. Masterdramon 18:29, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

No it shouldnt, because anyway its not the first time anyway that a card's page is made even weeks before it is shown on the anime and its mention on an episodes summary. For example Majestic Red Dragon, White Hole, Infernity Doom Dragon where some that follow this situation. DracoX 18:34, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Wait for confirmation. We've had fake episode previews and names before, and this batch seems extra suspicious.


 * Number 70.138.173.219 is correct, don't make up the page without have enough proof. I just don't like see it up without good picture. I know that open show has him in, but still, not enough. So please wait till that episode is air in japan, and then we can work on it. It's like premature baby that had to put back in mother's womb and wait for it to born nature. --FredCat100 01:33, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, I think you lot should leave it up, and when the real name comes up, if it's different, we can rename it. Just leave it alone for the present, and if justifiable grounds for deletion, outside of "it's too soon to make a page for it", come up, then you can delete it.

Scarred, not Scarlet
According to LeArk (DMC and Janime), it's likely is actually Scarred Nova Dragon, not Scarlet Nova (both would be appropriately fitting names though, but given the image we've seen, it is definitely scarred in the face). To quote him from his DMC post: ' "Also, It's name is Scarred, probably. Not Scarlet. :x That D on the last Katakana makes all the difference." ' Anyone agree with changing it? ShinobiPhoenix 08:18, May 14, 2010 (UTC) yes it is and scarlet is a referrence to wow scarlet crusade--Sartorias 15:20, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * So here we are, it is Scarred after all. Even though we are currently saying it as "Scar-Red" it still is Scarred in the end.  ShinobiPhoenix 11:32, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, if that is the case, we should move the page, correct? Qim1 23:36, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Except that it was moved. "Scar-red" seems to be another wordplay.  "Scarred" (for his look, face and symbol of Jack's wounded pride needing what it did) as well as emphasis on "red."  I just mean in the end, the word "Scarred" was correct, just with some wordplay added in.  ShinobiPhoenix 07:33, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * You People are forgetting something, in Japanese the R and L have the same sound, so it really wouldnt matter if it was spelled Scarred or Scarlet..it would still be pronounced as Scarred. Altho i admit Scarred sounds better.97.106.82.51 19:55, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you're trying to sound like you know what you're talking about. It's "SUKAARE DD O."  Again, referring to the double D.  "REDDO" not "RETTO" A D doesn't magically transform into a T.  Which is why it's Scarred and not Scarlet.  This has nothing to do with the R and L confusion and there is none in this case anyway.  ShinobiPhoenix 20:19, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * THe name of this card given in the Shonen Jump magazine literally translate to Scarlet Nova Dragon, but as seen in Elemental Hero Terra Firma, the name of the English card will still have the same meaning. If that is the case for this card too it should be called Scar-Red Nova Dragon.--Selutu 20:47, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. It's similiar, but the DD makes a huge difference. And it's obviously not SHONEN Jump.  It's not even V-Jump.  It's W-Jump.  ShinobiPhoenix 20:59, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Move this page to Scarred Nova Dragon, for god's sake, it's definitely not "Scar-Red." 70.138.173.219 02:39, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

atk?
how do you know his atk?--Arcanitejedi 14:28, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

i assume it will follow the same patern as shooting star dragon much as majestic star and majestic red have an attack defense and level pattern. even though its in the intro this pic looks awesome the card art will likely be equally epic Kazisaki 00:45, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

You're probably right, however the pattern doesn't always hold. ASSAULT MODES: Stardust(+500 ATK/DEF), Red Dragon Archfiend(+500/ATK DEF) MAJESTIC: Stardust(+1300ATK/1000DEF), Red(+1000 ATK/DEF) Shooting Star gains 800 ATK/500 DEF. So it's possible that Nova Dragon might gain the same numbers, as with the Assault Modes - which would put its stats at 3800/2500. Or, if it follows the Majestics' pattern, its ATK increase could be 300 points less than Stardust's - 500/500, which would put it at 3500/3000, with 200 ATK points more than SSD.

17.102.41.64 14:14, May 22, 2010 (UTC)An Aki fanboy

Level
Wow, I never thought there would be a level 12 Synchro Monster, I thought the highest they could go would always be 10.--Dragonking 21:30, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Not an Accel Synchro, but...
You COULD still Accel Synchro it out... in real life. Since the opponent turn thing is part of the Synchro/Tuner and not the Accel Synchro now, all Synchros are "Accel Synchros" anyway as far as real life is concerned. ShinobiPhoenix 12:06, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Effect?
2 tuners?and not synchro tuners? this is one cripy monster!--Arcanitejedi 12:17, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

My guess on the translated reading from the image scan of the Scar-Red Nova Dragon (which i could be wrong) is: "2 Tuners + Red Dragon Archfiend This card gains ATK equal to the number of Tuners in your Graveyard x 500. This card cannot be destroyed by the effect(s) of your opponent's Magic, Trap, and Effect Monster Card(s). Once per turn, during your opponent's turn, you can remove from play this card. During the turn that this card is remove from play by this effect, you can negate 1 attack this turn from a monster your opponent controls. If this card is removed from play this way, Special Summon this remove from play card during the End Phase." as this is the the suppose japanese text from the image scan "チューナー２体＋「レッド・デーモンズ・ドラゴン」 このカードの攻撃力は、自分の墓地に存在するチューナーの数×５００ポイントアップする. このカードは相手の魔法・罠・効果モンスターの効果では破壊されない. 相手ターンに１度、このカードをゲームから除外する事ができる. この効果を使用したターン、相手モンスター１体の攻撃を無効にする事ができる. この効果で除外したこのカードは、そのターンのエンドフェィズ時に自分フィールド上に戻る. " Navinetwork 13:15, May 29, 2010 (GMT)

Your translation is completely correct.

Repost of the Scans (originally posted in Starstrike Discussion)

 * Original WJUMP Anime Scan


 * Cropped Scar-Red Nova Dragon shot


 * Cropped Attack Gainer and Create Resonator shot

What we CAN confirm from these are the Level and Synchro Materials (not to mention there's PURE logic in the fact Jack doesn't get this from a RIDING DUEL, which is also a requirement for something that is SPEED BASED). What you cannot confirm is whether or not Attack Gainer and Create Resonator is in the next set due to this talking about the anime and as such, not having setcodes even printed on. Doesn't say they won't, doesn't say they will. Only that Jack will use them for Scar-Red. I PERSONALLY say they won't be in set because they are clones of Flare Resonator and Synchro Magnator respectively. Extremely close clones and they are all even Tuners as well. I'm thinking they are just made to be the correct levels and work with some strategy Jack is doing. Still the scans exist and they are from WJUMP. Not something people can deny without prior drug usage or brain damage. I didn't believe it at first either, BUT I ASKED FOR PROOF AND IT WAS GIVEN QUICKLY AND CONFIRMED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WE HAVE HAD NO PROBLEM BEFORE TRUSTING BEFORE. It's like people ignore things when it makes things feel fluffy. Problem with the internet generation. ShinobiPhoenix 22:06, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Much better scan now, someone please update the image on the page. http://a.imagehost.org/0668/1_92.jpg ShinobiPhoenix 20:37, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Two Tuner Monsters?
Is there any proof it takes two Tuner Monsters to play this card?


 * The scans are more than enough proof. They were already translated by LeArk, Shriek and Danieru Lynx separated.  Just because a monster hasn't done something before, doesn't mean one can't set a precedent.  I can say these are for the anime, but in the case of Scar-Red, that is more than enough as it won't really change the requirements so much as whatever effects it has.  The other two, not so much.  ShinobiPhoenix 03:14, May 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * is there a web link to confirm this page?
 * Why would there be a website for a Japanese card YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO READ YOURSELF? Obviously, you can't read kanji or you wouldn't be asking, so you want English.  No, all the info is coming from Janime, DMC and any place that has the scans and people who can translate them or spreading the original info around.  If you want to suddenly disbelief people you had no problem believing before, that's your problem.   People trust LeArk easily and I talk to Shriek on a daily basis and the only reason he didn't add the 2 Tuner part is because he prefers putting info about the set cards not the anime.  Lynx is the one who keeps adding anime info, but it is what it is and no amount of doing this to annoy people is going to change that and both Shriek and Lynx agree on it being 2 tuners for the anime at least.  The scans are FOR THE ANIME, but it's not going to change the requirements for the real card, only the effects.  Obviously, people are going along with it.  ShinobiPhoenix 03:49, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

my thoughts
i think this card is an accel synchro for 3 reason and they are Reason 1. yusei tells jack and crow about accel synchro in ep 73 or 74 and they set out to figure out how it works meaning it not being one would be pointless to for the story to tell jack and crow about it.

Reason 2. the yiliaster guys use the infinity cards that absorb synchros meaning this card would be useless against them because as soon as he summons it the next turn they could take it from him.

Lastly Reason 3. since team 5DS is made up of yusei, jack and crow will have to duel all three yiliaster guys at the end of the WRPG meaning 3 inifinite monsters then 3 accel synchro monsters to battle them cause like that "god" told yusei boths sides to the future most be given an equal chance. This also means that crow will get an accel synchro monster since hes on the 3 man team that will duel the infinite monsters, basicly 3 vs 3 for the future. This is what i think anyway.

MIKE G THE MAZOKU

accel synchro monster?
Its not an accel synchro monster but you can synchro summon with Formula Synchron in your opponents turn.
 * I believe that this is true. If the card really states that it needs 2 tuners, it does not specify what kind of tuners they must be, in which case Formula Synchron is indeed a possibility. --Sapphire 13:29, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Effect
Effect of this card is awesome. First, it gain attack for each tuner monsters in your graveyard x500. Second, it cannot be destroyed by card effect. It will have much attack points so its be nearly indestructible. Third, it can be removed from play to negate one attack and it is returned to the field at end of the turn. The last effect is similar to Shooting Star Dragon's anime effect. Whats are your thoughts? The King 11:13, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * And how do you know this?--Sapphire 13:27, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is its anime effect. The King 15:30, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, how do you know this? The card still has yet to fully appear in the anime, the latest Episode 111 barely mentions the name of the monster. So the episode that contains the monster's effect, has yet to come out. --Sapphire 13:32, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, it is anime effect. Don't you see the page of this card. There is an Effect of this card!!! The King 15:61, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Chill, King... Sapphire was mean to ask you how you learned those effect text complete, since that was still in Japan language. --FredCat100 14:25, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't readed it. When I loged in there was effect on the page already. I just freaked how he asked me where i found it, thats all. The King 16:31, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, I just visit there and it's already there too. Guess Sapphire should check English Anime instead of "TCG English" point. --FredCat100 14:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm sorry for stressing you out, I was just curious. But could either of you post a link or something that could show me the effect of this card? Since the pic on this site is covered, and cannot be comepletely read. I'm extremely excited for when this card comes out in english, I just can't wait!--Sapphire 16:38, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

''2 Tuner Monsters + "Red Dragon Archfiend" This card gains ATK equal to the number of Tuners in your Graveyard x 500. This card cannot be destroyed by the effects of your opponent's Spells, Traps, and Effect Monsters. Once during each of your opponent's turns, you can remove this card from play. During the turn in which this effect is used, you can negate the attack of 1 opposing monster. This card removed from play by this effect is returned to your side of the field during the End Phase of that turn. (Effect Unconfirmed)''

That's all what it told from Article in English Anime Effect text. --FredCat100 23:31, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

It's weird that none mention that this monster has 3300 atk points, just like any other accel synchro monster. this is basically confirmed since any other accel synchoro shares the effect of removing himself from play, so we can assume that since the other 2 accel synchros have 3300, this 1 should have it to. Pato M 19:34, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * But Scar-Red Nova Dragon is not an Accel Synchro,--Sapphire 23:32, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, as we have know so little of what is going on in Episodes; Jack is doing Ground Duel when the announce dragon coming on the scene. That therefore not Accel Synchro Monster from that point. Plus this dragon's ATK is still unconfirmed since of some strange block on that page it was revealed complete. If his ATK should be 3300 ATK, then explain to me why Red Dragon Archfiend/Assault Mode and Majestic Red Dragon has different ATK points from Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode (by 500 points) and Majestic Star Dragon (by 200 points) respective? --FredCat100 23:44, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, I believe that this monster in particular would be somewhere in between the ATK points of Red Dragon Archfiend/Assault Mode and Majestic Red Dragon, just like Shooting Star Dragon's ATK points are in between Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode and Majestic Star Dragon. Which would probably put SRND at 3800 points--Sapphire 13:52, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

3000 DEF?
what makes you so sure it has 3000 DEF?!
 * Now, thats the confusing part. If you have noticed before, all evolutions, and inlcuding, of Stardust Dragon and Red Dragon Archfiend have the same defense. SD and RDA have 2000 DEF, their Assault Modes both have 2500 DEF, and both Majestic forms have 3000 DEF. But how come SRND and Shooting Star Dragon don't have the same DEF?--Sapphire 09:15, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * i'm just curious. that's all.


 * probably their DEF equals to their ATK of their necessary synchro material: Shooting Star Dragon's DEF is 2500 same as Stardust Dragon's ATK and this card's DEF is 3000 same as Red Dragon Archfiend's ATK.