Forum:Sept. 2010 banlist, very near!!!

-Hello. I'm very nervous because the next banlist is very near. What do you think will get hit. I say this:

FORBIDDEN


 * Battle Fader(what's the sense of playing if ALL decks have this!?)
 * Sangan(just a feeling, but maybe not at all.)
 * Necroface(also just a feeling.)

LIMITED


 * Dandylion(DandyWarrior decks are cool, but too much is annoying. Limit this card to 1 again.)
 * Infernity Launcher(Infernity Deck is broken deck.)
 * Infernity Archfiend(same with Infernity Launcher.)
 * Infernity Necromancer(i think this can be limit only to 2 or not get hit at all.)
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier(maybe at 2.)
 * Some parts of Machina Archetype. (I don't know who, but just a felling, or can also be at 2.)

-I think I have forgotten some cards, but this are the ones always in my mind.

Jampong (talk • contribs) 03:12, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Battle fader will be Ban maybe semi limited is not the big deal, and sangan I really don't think so. Necroface is good at being in 1

I totally agreed with the limited list......I still think Blackwing blizzard should be limited, and xsabers nothing to ban from them? ..... like limit gottoms emergency call and semi limit summoner monk and BAN rescue cat. MobiusxXx (talk • contribs) 03:58, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

-That's what I forgotten. Sad, but true. Rescue Cat is still broken.

Jampong (talk • contribs) 04:29, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I hope they don't limit Dandylion, it may be repetititve, but it's one of the few cards that really help out my Vasuki Deck, as for Battle Fader I think it should stay at 3, (and I just hope they reprint it as a common, or at least a rare, what's the point of an anti-OTK card if only rich players can have it?) HouseholdCatDeity (talk • contribs) 04:42, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Dark armed dragon is broken and should be banned for ever

Sangan has been nice and cool in the Limited List for a long time, and nobody raised an alarm. Necroface Decks have been waning in popularity ever since Necroface slipped to 2. I don't think your felling here would be an accurate prediction. I doubt Battle Fader would get banned at all, since it is a very good way to avoid OTKs, which is something Konami strongly wants to evade. Machina Fortress is probably the only part of the Machina archetype to be affected, and it's still kinda unclear over whether it'll be Limited or Semi'd. Anyway, we still have a couple of months to the next list. Bear with it... --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 06:29, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I feel the following is the most sensible List:
 * Forbidden
 * "Rescue Cat" (Too powerful of a play for any Deck that revolves around, or utilizes, this)
 * Limited
 * "Battle Fader" (Look at Gorz and Tragoedia, and you see the trend)
 * "Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier" (This really shouldn't surprise anyone, but I can see it staying where it is because of this)
 * "Infernity Launcher" (Some make the case for Archfiend, but you only need 1 Archfiend for the loop to go off right)
 * "Mass Driver" (They did it to "Magical Explosion", and Konami doesn't like FTK's, so this should be expected)
 * Surprise card "Dust Tornado" (People maining 2-3 of them sounds like it's destined to be the next MST-like limitation)
 * Now for some other thoughts:
 * "Dandylion" - It's a good card, but it is far from broken, even in Dandywarrior Decks. Besides, Dandywarrior was popular at first, but it's struggled recently, so it's not like it's a key cog in a top competitor.
 * "Machina Fortress" - Another good card that fits just one Deck. It may be consistent, but it's not overly popular, and it has the same track record of Dandywarrior: 1 top of 3 events, and dwindling numbers.
 * "Cyber Dragon" - "Cyber Dragon" hasn't done much of anything since its return from the Limited list, despite fears of it. If anything, "Chimeratech Fortress Dragon" has made it a dangerous card to use, no longer a multi-Deck staple, and more of a Side Deck counter.
 * "XX-Saber Darksoul" - It only exists in the TCG for now, and won't make its way to the OCG until next summer/fall, so this card won't be touched (Konami doesn't restrict TCG exclusives until they are imported to the OCG and can make a splash). In fact, no "X-Saber" card will be touched due to the near non-existence in the OCG. Because of this, this means that "Rescue Cat" may also stay Limited, as it hasn't had the impact on the OCG that the TCG is experiencing, due to the lack of "Darksoul".
 * DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 08:06, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * What about Allure of Darkness being Semi-Limited in the TCG before it was released in OCG, though?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 11:50, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I find the little arguments against Battle Fader slightly flawed. The thing about Gorz and Tragoedia is that they have the potential to fight back. Gorz has his pure stats along with the Token he can possibly summon. Tragoedia can do more tricks in addition to its variable stats. Battle Fader does neither once it has let the player live for that extra turn. I have doubts that Dust Tornado will also be seeing any places in the List. What separates it from MST is that it's a Trap (dodges brick) and so needs to wait that extra turn to use its effects. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 11:13, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

My 2010 Advanced Format Changes
FORBIDDEN

Nothing really, but if anything Rescue Cat

LIMITED

Battle Fader

Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier

Infernity Launcher

XX-Saber Darksoul

Infernity Archfiend

Dandylion

Judgement Dragon - (though Lightsworns are pretty much dead)

SEMI-LIMITED

Ronintoadin

UNLIMITED

Advanced Ritual Art

Neo-Spacian Grand Mole

Ceasefire Kageakumo 00:37, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Frogs can still do insane stuff with just 2 Ronintoadins. Advanced Ritual Art can still make a few Demise Ritual decks scary, I'm not sure about this. Grand Mole should never be back at 3, it's just cheap bounce. Ceasefire can still a lot of damage, no way they are going to unlimit it. Battle Fader saves lives, it puts a stop too insane OTKs, 0% chance that it will be on the banlist. Most importantly, I hate Lightsworns too but JD should never be Limited not with how crippled LS are right now.

My opinion

Forbidden

Rescue Cat (IDK, just a feeling cz this card works in too many deck. sabers, Fabled, FlamvellCat, GBs)

Limited


 * 1) Infernity Launcher (if Konami don't do this they're %#%$#@)
 * 2) Infernity Archfiend (the same)
 * 3) Trishula, Dragon Of The Ice Barrier (they should do it earlier))
 * 4) XX-Saber Darksoul (Konami can always have a different TCG Banlist. like the one with Brionac)

Semi

XX-Saber Faultroll (their handburning ability with faultroll loop must be lowered) Neos lover (talk • contribs) 04:42, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's usually no need to do the Faultroll Loop in most cases, so that's unnecessary. With Rescue Cat banned, it's already a big hit on X-Sabers, so there's not much point in hitting anything else. Same goes for Infernity Launcher - once you ban it, Archfiend getting a hit too is unnecessary.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 04:56, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

yeah launcher is the real threat. however, i disagree with yami wheeler x-sabers are a huge threat and the faultroll loop wins games--Bwinggale (talk • contribs) 17:46, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, Grand Mole is very slow and really is not used any more, the same goes for Ceasefire. As for JD, he's all forgotten about but he is still too dangerous to be at two. Yes XX-Saber Darksoul should be limited, that deck is having too much fun with that monster right now. Those Infernity cards really have to go, along with Infernity Necromancer. --Kageakumo 18:34, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

My thoughts
FORBIDDEN

None I think...

LIMITED

Infernity Launcher

XX-Saber Faultroll

Royal Oppression

SEMI-LIMITED

XX-Saber Darksoul

Infernity Barrier

Advanced Ritual Art

Ronintoadin

Machina Gearframe

Machina Fortress

Ally of Justice Catastor

Battle Fader

Test Tiger

Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner or Necro Gardna

UNLIMITED

Neo-Spacian Grand Mole

Cyber Dragon

Ceasefire

EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 18:22, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

If they did unlimit Neo-Spacian Grand Mole and Ceasefire it would be amazing. With 3 Grand moles someone could easily bounce one of there strong monsters and attack directely and if they manage to take out grand mole another one would be right there waiting. For Ceasefire, one could easily deal 2000 or more damage when you or your opponent are using synchro material and against an Infernity deck, it kills

I don't know about Ceasefire but Neo-Spacian Grand Mole won't be that usefull when used in three. EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 00:04, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

It would be real nice if Ceasefire is at two or three, slightly more support against those Infernity OTKs and Frog FTKs. Cyber Dragon is ehh, but we all remember how dangerous he can be at three. I never thought about Test Tiger in the list, but he should at least get Semi-Limited, same for Necro Gardna. And why not limit darksoul and semi faultroll? Just a suggestion. Kageakumo 11:28, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

= New Thoughts on the Sept. 2010 Banlist.. =

FORBIDDEN


 * Rescue Cat
 * Necroface(I can debate w/ this one!!!)

LIMITED


 * Dandylion(To slow down DandyWarrior Deck. But if this doesn't get hit, it's either the next two cards below.)
 * Drill Warrior or
 * Quickdraw Synchron
 * Infernity Launcher
 * Infernity Archfiend
 * Infernity Necromancer
 * Ronintoadin(Damn, FroggyMonarch deck is fast because of this. But can be at Semi.)
 * Machina Gearframe(Having rumors that this will get hit instead of Machina Fortress. this will slow down the deck.)
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
 * Pot of Duality(Damn Draw Engine in any deck that don't Special Summon, or decks that doesn't Special Summon to much.)
 * Cyber Dragon(can remain untouch or back at 1.)

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Gladiator Beast Bestiari(if Rescue Cat gets hit, this card has the possibility to be at 2.)

UNLIMITED
 * United We Stand(just like Mage Power, but it depends.)

Jampong (talk • contribs) 14:15, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

How does Rescue Cat affects Gladiator Beast Bestiari???. Neos lover (talk • contribs) 14:29, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Explain the banning of Necroface, the semi-limiting of Gladiator Beast Bestiari, and the limiting of either Drill Warrior and Quickdraw Synchron --Kageakumo 18:37, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Dandylion needs to remain at Semi. It is an ESSENTIAL part to any deck that uses Quickdraw Synchron and why mess with him, maybe Semi, but why??? Rescue cat ain't going anywhere at this point, it ain't a broken card. United needs to stay where it is. The back row is easier to get rid of then the front anyway. And with so many decks that swarm, United can make some very powerful monsters--BassNettoHikari2 (talk • contribs) 19:57, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Rescue Cat could affect GB Bestiari, yes. Imagine a Gyzarus wiping out your field on the 2nd turn. Pretty much at least agree with these predictions, but for Necroface, hmm, I pretty much doubt it'll be banned. UltraSynchron (talk • contribs) 04:19, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why Pot of Duality should be limited. It is only a deck thinning card that helps you get a choice from the top three cards of your deck in stead of having to draw to it. It isn't a draw engine. Anyway if you aren't going to use the card right away your oppenent knows you have it because you have to reaveal the top cards of your deck. 101earthking101 16:23, July 5, 2010

Unlimit Lightsworn...
At least make Lumina or charge at 2.... and semi some zombies like mezuki 118.136.188.123 (talk) 12:04, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hit those decks that are too damned strong!
I would personally like to hit the top tier decks like "Saber", and "Infernity"! --SilentHero26 (talk • contribs) 13:56, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * "XX-Saber Faultroll", "XX-Saber Boggart Knight" or "X-Saber Airbellum" I like to be semi-limited. Heck they swarm the field like there is no tomorrow! Give others a fighting chance! How about "Rescue Cat" be banned for once?
 * As for Infernity, those traps that are too abuse-able! "Infernity Launcher", seriously? Semi those!

Dudes... so much Infernity hate here HAHA

Infernity Necromancer does NOT deserve to be hit... this guy has no priority... Infernity Archfiend should only be semi-limited at most

All konami needs to do is limit Infernity Launcher and then they will be run over by the top decks.

Limiting ALL of those Infernity cards listed above is just overkilling...

IMO, the deck that needs to be hit are X-Sabers and Infernitys... nothing else much... Akyrix (talk • contribs) 14:20, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Akyrix, but they should easen up towards Lightsworn and Zombies like Lumina and Mezuki at two. And I would really like to see the return of Crush Card Virus. Also Destiny Draw should be at two. Konami should let the better decks be good and not destroy them. EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 22:07, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * And I am surprise that no one remember "Mirage" of Infernity. With him stay at 3, would still make Infernity OTK at high. So here's my list;
 * Ban
 * N/A
 * Limited
 * Dandylion
 * Drill Warrior
 * Infernity Launcher
 * Infernity Archfiend
 * Infernity Mirage
 * Semi-Limited
 * Mezuki
 * Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner OR Charge of the Light B. (choice one or other)


 * --FredCat100 (talk • contribs) 22:28, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Forbidden

 * Goyo Guardian with gold series 3 and all the new Blackwings

Limited

 * XX-Saber Faultroll Sudden 2400 Atk Beater
 * Infernity Launcher
 * Black Whirlwind with gold series 3
 * Substitoad just searches for treeborn and all other frogs if not one of the other 2 bellow
 * Treeborn Frog
 * Monarchs

Semi-Limited

 * Battle Fader Not much use with Swift-Attacking Scarecrow coming out
 * Machina Fortress
 * Quickdraw Synchron Why not use the other synchrons for a change?
 * Dust Tornado

Rescue cat should stay because they can't just take out a decks main card.

Yes they can, they did so with Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End and Yata-Garasu. They had even banned the all Chaos cards once (Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning and Chaos Sorcerer). EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 22:49, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Monarchs aren't powerful enough to be Limited or even Semi-Limited. The way to stop Monarchs is to hit whatever broken Tribute fodder they have, and I don't think they have any. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 23:29, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

People somehow keep forgetting there's this card... --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 01:32, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

But even more useful (with a good deck based around it) is this one. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 21:44, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but where I am half the decks are either Frognarchs, Monarchs or Frogs.

Ban Limited Semi-Limited
 * Goyo Guardian
 * Black Whirlwind
 * Witch of the Black Forest (This will be Limited specially)
 * Krebons
 * Sangan
 * DAD
 * Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind

I don't know who Ban cards but please limite Witch of the Black Forest-- Zeratul 100  Mi Discusión  23:25, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I think Enemy Controller should be semi-limited, it's way to good, taking control of an opponents monster in his turn is incredibly useful. Enemy Controller works as a gamemaker as well as a great defense.EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 11:10, July 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, controlling an opponent's monster comes with the price of Tributing one of your own. That in itself is a bit of a hefty cost, and unless you're playing with Tribute fodder, Tributing one of your own monsters for temporary control of your opponent's isn't exactly the best idea unless you plan to do something else with that. That goes double if you're trying to do that on your opponent's turn. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 01:32, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Even though, the tribute necessary for Enemy Controller can be the best part. For instance I tribute my Goblin Zombies so I can also get another Goblin Zombie, Zombie Master or even Plaguespreader Zombie. That in my opponents turn giving me his strongest creature is really usefull, I use Enemy Controller a lot and I've seen how much it can do. You're right to about the Tribute fodder, in other decks it can be a very high price, that's why I think it should be semi-limited and not limited. EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 01:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think imposing a limit, semi or not, would make a big change to this. I've tried running triple Controller in my Macro Monarch Deck which would be all too happy to abuse the hell out of this, but more often than not I've found myself just dropping it down to 2 for space purposes. I'm also guessing that many people who play this card would run an average of about 2, so Semi'ing this card won't have much of an impact on the game while injuring the minority who run the card in triplicate.
 * Also take note that the banlist is designed to moderate the metagame - the reason why Cold Wave got hit lately was because someone maximised its potency in a certain meta deck, and this soon spread to many other meta decks so they can deal their finishing blows. When's the last time you saw Enemy Controller in a meta deck? --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 04:42, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

2010 Banlist
Forbidden List:

1. Rescue Cat (This card is just too broke as everyone is aware of, and since it seems like X-Sabers and Infernitys are the only decks topping now they'll probably be banning this for sure. There's been rumors of it going to 2 for the new beast support coming out, but I doubt that it'll ever go higher then 1 ever again)

Limited List:

1. Battle Fader (I see this getting getting limited for a few reasons. First of all, Tragodia is limited and Gorz is limited as I saw in someone elses post, it's a pattern. Second People that run Battle Fader in decks often run them in a play set of 3 [unless there idiots] and they most likely are running Gorz and Tragodia, now thats five cards that can stop an OTK or just a free Special Summon from your hand. Now third of all, lately the format has been real trap heavy, so it's to much of a pain to clear the field, if you can even do that this format and then get hit by a Fader, Gorz or Trag. Then have your oppenent tribute it off for a Caius next turn. It sucks to have to worry about there hand when they only have 1 or none cards on there field. It's kinda dumb in my opinion)

2. Trishula (Ok this card is just ridiculous needs to be limited end of story)

3. Swap Frog 4. Treeborn Frog 5. Rodinntodin 6. Substitoad (Ok all the frogs are just to broke, even if all of these were at 1, THEY'D STILL be good. Dupe Frog can search the needed stuff that they need to get it going. I don't feel like explaining the whole thing cuz it would take to long but anyone that knows what I'm talking about should agree with me)

7. Bottomless Trap Hole ( This card is just too good as well. It is run in EVERY meta deck, you destroy then remove the monster from play. It doesn't even target and you can use it on any summon with a moneter with 1500+ Attack, and lets see that like...oh I don't know, ever deck! Not to mention I'm tired of seeing the same exact traps in ever deck it'd be nice to see some variety.

Semi-Limited List:

1. Infernity Launcher 2. Infernity Archfiend (Now these cards will either get Limited or Semi-Limited. It all depends on how hard they hit X-Sabers. People can side in like crazy against Infernitys. It's not to hard to get around them with the right side deck. And if Limit it then ONLY X-Sabers will win everything. If they end up doing something drastic with X-Sabers then they'll most likely limit Archfiend and Launcher)

3. Mezuki (I don't see why this is at 1. Plag is at 1, Goblin is at 2, Card of Safe return is banned. And it's an Earth type, not a dark. Zombies are barely tier 2 now, even with it at 2 you only heard from Zombies every now and then. It's not broke, it's just good for Zombies. This needs to be at 2. All the good cards the make it great are either banned or limited)

4. Mind Master (Psychic OTK was REALLY good in the OCG, but never got to see it in the TCG, this should be at 2 for the fact that this deck is REALLY easy to side against and One for One is limited. The only Psychics ever seen are either Krebons and sometimes Psychic Commandor)

5. Lightsworn Summoner, Lumonia (Lightsworns are pretty much dead with the limiting of Charge of the Light Brigade, is limited, and Honest is at 2. I don't see the problem with this at two since it was already hit HARD, I don't ever see Lightsworns ever even topping anytime soon so they should just put it at 2 and keep it there)

6. Chaos Sorcorror (Just for the fact that I think Twilight needs to come back a little bit)

7. X-Saber Faultroll (Just too good with X-Sabers needs to be Semi Limited, I wanna see Dark Soul go to 1 but I doubt it will since it's a TCG but they might so we don't know yet)

Unlimited List:

1. Magicain of Faith (WHY THE %&*# IS THIS CARD BANNED?! What deck would possibley run 3 of these?! Lightsworn? Blackwing? X-Sabers? Infernitys? I don't think they would. The card isn't that great anymore, exspecially with all the good spell cards banned like Monster Reborn, Card of Safe Return etc.

2. Cyber Dragon (I say this because Cyber Dragon just really isn't that good. I wanna see the Cyber Fusion decks back. I wanna see former metas play against the newer metas I think people would like that and it would keep the the format from be dominated by 2 or 3 decks)


 * Lul. You really don't get it. Limit "Mass Driver", Frogs are done. Limit/Semi-Limit "Infernity Launcher", Infernity are done. Ban "Rescue Cat", X-Sabers are done. Semi-Limit "Mezuki", and Zombies are relevant. I liked the "Mezuki" thought, I really did, but look at "Magician of Faith". Do you want people to have their "Infernity Launcher", "Charge of the Light Brigade", "Brain Control", etc, put back in their hand even more? Everyone complains and thinks "XX-Saber Darksoul" needs to be Limited. Guess what, that's absurd. "Goblin Zombie" is only Semi, and it's faster. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 03:55, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * there are any other deck that using Mass Driver like Gigaplant OTK . even if it's gonna get limit, there still any other cards like that Cannon Soldier, Aquarian Alessa. please re -consider again about putting mass driver on the list. because you also gonna crush other deck like the one that i mention before. the best way i think is to put the ronintoadin on the list .Gemini 93 (talk • contribs) 13:08, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I suspect the main reason is because Darksoul can be sought out by Rescue Cat, and used as tuning fodder with Airbellum to produce an instant LV6 Synchro. And after that it fetches another search. And that's bad. But, as you said, ban Rescue Cat and it's not so much of a big deal anymore. Also agree with you on the argument against Magician of Faith. Konami's trying to slow down the game and block off OTKs, and unlimiting Magician of Faith will only speed up the game. Just look at some of the most well-known draw cards around. They're all Spells. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 13:43, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * yes, i think if you ban the rescue cat, x- saber will not be very over power n Gb also...

but how about synchro cat n rescue cat...this deck needs the rescue cat very much..if you ban it, I think the deck will not run well..Daredevil^^ (talk • contribs) 16:05, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think Rescue Cat is definitely good enough to be banned. It has saved my ass more times than I can count (I run GBs) and it has gotten at least 3 decks (that I know of) named after this single, Limited card. (Synchro Cat, Rescue Cat OTK, and Flamvell Cat) But too many decks use it. It's one of those life-saving, game-changing cards. I'm just as happy drawing it as I would be Mirror Force. It's not quite broken enough to be banned IMO. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 21:53, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

What is everyones problem with Battle Fader? It isn't like Gorz or Tragodia because it has 0 Atk and doesn't gain any more. It will stop an OTK and they only use it to save there lives. What then? It is a last resort unless in a Monarch deck. then it can kill, but with any other deck it buys you one turn. You can't do anything unless you draw an awesome card. Also on top of that in Starstrike Blast here come Swift-Attacking Scarecrow are they going to limit that two? --101earthking101 14:48, July 7, 2010


 * Pluss Battle Fader isn't common enough to deserve being limited, is the same thing as with Honest, Konami didn't touch it while it was hard to get and expensive, but now that it has been on a special edition, it is at semi. And even if Battle Fader was easier to get, it does nothing but slowdown the gameplay, and that's what Konami wants, a slower gameplay.HouseholdCatDeity (talk • contribs) 01:46, July 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind that the TCG Ban list is always the same as the OCG Ban list (without the OCG Exclusives of course)
 * and Battle Fader is a Common in the OCG. Falzar FZ (talk • contribs) 02:12, July 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * And wasn't "Dark Armed Dragon" just a regular rare? Rarity means little. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 02:20, July 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, but I just thought I'd mention that since it was brought up :P Falzar FZ (talk • contribs) 02:22, July 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok I buy that part of the argument (pluss I just noticed they are reprinting Battle Fader on 2010 tins), but unless some meta deck finds a way to abuse Battle Fader into an OTK or a Lockdown, it will stay unlimited, since what Konami wants is a slower meta (that being the reason Monster Reborn, and Witch of The Black Forest ain't coming back anytime soon) and Battle Fader slows the meta, only when top decks stop doing OTKs Battle Fader could be limited. And the point of an anti OTK card is that everyone can have it and use it.HouseholdCatDeity (talk • contribs) 02:40, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

My Predictions
Banned
 * Mass Driver stops the otk

Limited Semi Limited newly Unlimited noneSolastramage666 (talk • contribs) 11:11, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Miracle Fusion
 * Ronintoadin
 * Trushula
 * XX-Saber Darksoul for those who dont think they dont touch TCG exclusives They do
 * Swap Frog
 * Substitoad
 * XX-Saber Faultroll
 * Infernity launcher
 * Infernity Archfiend And Beetle
 * Allure of Darkness
 * Pot of Duality
 * Charge of The Light Brigade to equal the allure

I doubt that Allure of Darkness will come back to two. Also I doubt that Infernity Beetle will get touched if Launcher and Archfiend get hit. Kageakumo 13:17, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

the list for the tcg will obviously be updated for the release of dewloren to regular play which if i'm not mistaken is semi in the ocg, cathedral of nobles or what ever it is called will be forbiden does anyone think AOJ Catastor will be limited?Kazisaki (talk • contribs) 13:42, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Limited or Semi-Limited I think. EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 13:48, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * If Darksoul were to get hit, it wouldn't be Limited. It'd be Semi. It's slower than "Goblin Zombie", which is Semi. Returning Charge and Allure to 2 is bad. Blackwings would easily have the fastest Deck in the Meta. Maybe not in terms of OTK, but they would have unparalleled Draw power (not like any other Deck can match what they have now..). "Pot of Duality" won't be touched either. The list comes out 1 month after it's TCG release. They aren't going to hype up a card they're Limiting right off the bat. Anything in DREV will be untouched. And honestly, it really only works in Gadgets and Oppression Wings. Anything else, and you're slowing your Deck down for 1 card which may or may not be something you need. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 16:55, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

My Banlist Updates
Forbidden
 * Rescue Cat (Card is too broken; it only takes this for Sabers to pull off Infernity-level summoning and comboes)
 * Mass Driver (NO MORE FTKs PLEASE!)

Limited
 * Machina Gearframe (They limit Stratos, they should hit this guy, since he does virtually the same thing.)
 * Infernity Archfiend (Same argument)
 * Infernity Launcher (Mirage is manageable, but this card can set itself up, and be searched by Archfiend. To top it off, you can pull off massive comboes with only one copy. Limit this.)
 * XX-Saber Darksoul (While not as fast of a searcher as Gearframe or Archfiend, it's still reliable, will work once it hits the grave, no matter what you do to it afterwards, and allows Sabers to reload constantly.)
 * Gottoms' Emergency Call (Similar argument as Launcher, not searchable and not instantly usable, but can still do ridiculous things.)
 * Ronintoadin (This is debatable, I personally think Swap Frog or Substitoad should be hit first, but this card should be put to one in order to balance it out.)
 * Treeborn Frog (We should hit this too, in order to further weaken Frogs)

Semi-Limited
 * Machina Fortress (3 Fortress is far beyond manageable. It's way to easy to pull this guy out, and once he gets out, he's even more difficult to get rid of.)
 * Infernity Mirage (If Launcher goes to one, this may not be necessary, but it would still help.)
 * Dimensional Prison (This is just a personal choice, but some people may agree with me when I say it's spammed WAY too much.)
 * XX-Saber Faultroll (I can see this being limited, even, but who knows. It's a great card that can spur on ridiculous plays on the behalf of Sabers.)
 * Necro Gardna (Alright, LS have been punished enough, don't you think? Is it too much to ask to give them one more Gardna back? I don't think so.)

No Longer Limited
 * Neo-Spacian Grand Mole (Come on, this card is doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It would not hurt the meta in any way, shape, or form.)

This is my version of the Banlist for September. Feel free to interpret and comment.

-E-Dizzle (talk • contribs) 19:27, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * One of the best lists I've seen. I think you're punishing Sabers and Infernities a bit too much, though. 01:03, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

however x-sabers just won the national championships--Bwinggale (talk • contribs) 03:24, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * That doesn't mean they need Rescue Cat, Faultroll, and Darksoul hit. 03:35, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I still don't understand the arguments against Machina Gearframe. Sure, it searches, and can beat face like Airman, but the reason why Airman got limited was because he could search another copy of himself, AND when he's Special Summoned. Gearframe can't, and has its searching restricted to Normal Summon. Furthermore, at the time Airman could mesh well in Big City decks to create a constant supply of E-Hero/D-Hero/Evil Hero monsters, allowing it to fetch very potent pieces of many different combos. Machina Gearframe's only useful target most of the time would be Machina Fortress. Restrict or Semi Fortress, and there should be no reason to cut Gearframe down to 1. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 08:52, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

A Mexican list:

Forbidden:


 * Rescue Cat
 * Dark Armed Dragon
 * Infernity Launcher

Limited:


 * Crush Card Virus
 * Machina Fortress
 * XX-Saber Faultroll
 * XX-Saber Darksoul
 * Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
 * Armageddon Knight
 * Gottoms' Emergency Call
 * Battle Fader
 * Royal Oppression

Semi-Limited:


 * Stardust Dragon
 * Allure of darkness
 * Mezuki
 * Folish Burial
 * Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
 * Super Polymerization
 * Ronintoadin
 * Pot of Duality

Unlimited:

Ultimate Offering

It's obvious that X-Sabers will get hit hard. Right now the current national champion decks are all x-sabers. It's not cool to have your entire hand discarded on the first turn with x-saber gottoms. X-Saber Gottoms is much worse than Dark Strike Fighter, which konami also banned after blackwings reached nationals. Also, it's about time they ban rescue cat, the most broken card of all. X-Saber Airbellum needs to be limited or semi-limited.


 * Wrong. Infernity won Canadian Nats, and Frognarch/FTK took second. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 08:10, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * and Gigavise won in Netherlands. :)-- HHTurtle (Talk) 09:22, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

i think he was talking about american nationals--Bwinggale (talk • contribs) 18:54, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

If the top decks (Infernities, X-Sabers, Frogs) get hit by the banlist, which decks will be the new tier 1? --Squidman 20 (talk • contribs) 23:37, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

blackwings or scraps or watts probably. or maybe naturias--Bwinggale (talk • contribs) 23:56, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Umm, GBs? 23:58, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

thanx i knew i was forgetting something--Bwinggale (talk • contribs) 00:04, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

^ After analysing a few OCG tournements, I came up with that. Falzar FZ (talk • contribs) 00:33, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Rescue Cat won't get banned, Large Trap Hole is the nail in that coffin (hope they don't pull another Battle Fader on us...). I can't really see Elemental Hero Absolute Zero being limited in any way though, because most of it's power (repeated fusing to wipe the field) requires you to get your fusion cards (mostly Miracle Fusion, which aren't searchable except by Sarc). Even then, if you use Miracle Fusion on a card in the grave, it can be stopped by D.D. Crow. And I don't know if any top tier decks actually use it. Although, Parallel World Fusion would be able to return it to the extra deck, at the cost of that fusion being the only special summon for the turn... I don't keep a close watch on the meta though, so my opinion may or may not be valid. --Hozu (talk • contribs) 17:38, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

...Really? Large Trap Hole will save the day? ARE YOU HIGH!? Do you even know what XX-Saber Darksoul does? it doesn't even matter whether or not it goes to the graveyard. In fact if you activate that....you get a -1 because it still doesn't stop it. That is how good X-sabers are. User:Goblinpunch787


 * It won't matter. Smart Cat players make sure their Cat play goes off with Trunade, Storm, Wave, etc. Large Trap Hole, if it were activated, would be a great counter, but even then the reward is mediocre. It makes GEC live, but it does rid the Deck of Airbellum and Darksoul... DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 06:21, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

FORBIDDEN LIMITED SEMI-LIMITED NO LONGER ON LIST
 * Temple Of The Kings (It WILL be Forbidden, obviously.)
 * Rescue Cat (He's in too many OTK and popular decks. He's at 1 limit and still has a deck revolving anround him.)
 * Substitoad (Can't mill your whole deck without this little guy right here.)
 * Infernity Launcher (Definitely one of the main reasons there's an Infernity OTK deck out there.)
 * Infernity Archfiend (Gets ANY Infernity CARD. Helps for set-ups, counters, and OTK combos.)
 * Mist Wurm (BOUNCES THREE cards. Gets past Stardust and Starlight Road. Not to mention the first Synchro you'll probably get out in your Infernity OTK deck.)
 * Ronintoadin (One of three main reasons there's a Frog Burn FTK. Yet then again, his place on the list confuses me, since you DO only need 1 in your Grave.)
 * Destiny Draw (Nobody uses it anymore much. Plus I'm REALLY frustrated that it's at one, not just for my deck, but the fact that it's just at 1. I mean really, 2 cards that you'll pick up? And still, those cards that you pick up may not even help!)
 * Allure Of Darkness (I really think that Konami will ease up on this card. Of course, that's only if the do something about the top Dark decks out there.)
 * Saber Hole (NEGATES a Summon! NEGATES! And at what cost? To have an X-Saber on your side of the field. Oh yeah, because that's so hard to do.)
 * Destiny Hero - Malicious (What's that deck that involves a hybrid of Destiny Heroes and Zombies? Whatever it is, it's not top tier. Destiny Heroes went off top tier a LOOOONG time ago, thanks to the list. Destiny Heroes are ALL ABOUT DRAWING KEY CARDS! THAT MEANS YOU ARE T-H-I-N-I-N-G    Y-O-U-R     D-E-C-K! You know what happens when you thin your deck after you use Destiny Draw's cost on a Malicious? YOU DRAW ANOTHER! Then what!? That's when you'll say in you head "F*ck you Konami!" REALLY should go off the list.) --Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 22:53, July 16, 2010 (UTC)