Forum:September 2012 Banlist Predictions

We're a little early to start this conversation (Around 2.5 months away from September), but I thought it might be time to talk about the September 2012 Banlist.

Ace's Picks
Forbidden Limited Unlimited
 * Future Fusion - It needs to be banned. Chaos Dragons are really troublesome.
 * Rescue Rabbit - Yeah, it's time.
 * Inzektor Dragonfly and Hornet - Too annoying, make it stop.
 * Maybe Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity? - The loop is annoying, but they haven't topped that much. Maybe a light hit, or none at all?
 * Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon? - It makes the OTK with Hieratic harder and it's another hit to Chaos Dragon, sadly all Dragon decks as well.
 * Level Limit - Area B
 * Marshmallon

Thoughts guys? -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  01:22, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, what about Semi-Limited and Unlimited part? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:25, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, Dragonfly and Hornet, yes. Zenmaity, maybe. Rescue Rabbit, dubious. Future Fusion, no. I use a Disaster Dragon, so that would cripple my deck horrendously. --Perfect Sige (talk • contribs) 01:27, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe keep Zenmaity where it is and ban Wind-Up Hunter? I heard somewhere that even with Zenmaity and/or Rat hit, there's a way to do a similar loop with Wind-Up Magician as a keystone card, so the easiest solution could just be to ban Hunter. Of course, they might not need too because Wind-Ups don't seem to be crazily topping now... if you want to ban Future Fusion per Dragon abuse, just ban Five-Headed Dragon; other decks would otherwise get collateral damage. 108.196.206.15 (talk) 01:37, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

I can't see inzektors getting hit in the next ban list because konami still wants to make money off of the archtype. Its going to be the same as when blackwings were the top deck. DragonslayerX1234 (talk • contribs) 01:42, June 8, 2012 (UTC)DragonslayerX1234DragonslayerX1234 (talk • contribs) 01:42, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * They don't make money off of Inzektors anymore. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 01:52, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed with Summoned Skull 2, as of Battle Pack; Epic Dawn, they become more successful since they re-released the old cards into new PSCT. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:56, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Konami only makes money off the initial booster pack sale, they don't make more money afterwards. The guys who get money are the secondary sellers, as in the ones who buy boxes, then sell the cards.


 * I could personally see Level Limit - Area B and Marshmallon getting unlimited, they don't seem to have done that much in the format. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  02:01, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Most likely those will be unlimited. If not in September, than in March. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 02:02, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure that Hunter needs a ban, I mean there are other combos with Hunter, but they aren't as consistently done as with Carrier. Plus, Carrier can be spammed and then you have a huge field that makes you take a bunch of damage. Not a great argument, but a valid thought. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  02:06, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, Inzektor or Wind-Up player can game'd their opponent just with single Hornet or Hunter, 1 copy is all they needed. It's like for myself, I just now completed my "E-Rabbit Dino" (hybrid deck of E-HERO and Rabbit Dino) that run single Rescue Rabbit and it worked very well. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:11, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

so here's my thoughts

Banned
 * Rescue Rabbit:Dino rabbits are pain to the butt.
 * Five headed dragon:banning future fusion would kill chimeratech machines so if the dragons have no targets to reveal...also SOME dragon decks can keep future fusion untill they get this out and if that happens, game over.
 * Inzektor Hornet:if you limit this, they will just use more cards to dump/search/recycle it. also they have that new ladybug so inzektors should be a rank 5 spam deck.
 * Wind-up Hunter:well maybe not but if they insist on hitting wind ups do this

Limited
 * Atum:the drop-3-atum-hieratic-loop/otk cant be done with 1 atum.
 * REDMD:i said this before and i'll say it again,this is OP.limit this and we should be ok
 * snoww/grapha:Maybe.DW's are big

Semi'd
 * Lightpulsar:obvious
 * Dragged Down:Maybe

Unlimited
 * Magic Cylinder:Seriously,who uses this besides burn?

That was my prediction --LaserGhost (talk • contribs) 08:14, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Banned


 * Hornet: Speaks for itself
 * FF (possibly): This is a POWERFUL card when used properly. But I personally thing it isn't too OP. Even if it is banned, Chaos Dragons can still use Lightsworns to mill. Which is what I usually use anyway.
 * Mind Control : Instant Xyz/Synchro fodder. No cost, no conditions.
 * Wind-Up Hunter: STOP THE LOOP

Limited


 * Atum: Take this away, breaks the OTK
 * Grapha: YEAAAAAAH, this one has to die.
 * Rescue Rabbit: I feel this one shouldn't be banned, but a limited would do it good. I haven't encountered this one enough to have a firm opinion on it.
 * Wind-Up Zenmaines (Possible): Its annoying and OP to me. I've had to deal with it A LOT and I don't like it.

Semi'd


 * REDMD: Powerful, yes, OP, not really. There are a LOT of ways to get rid of this one. Semi would be acceptable.

Unlimited

None

Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 08:52, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Semi redmd is pointless, the hieratic oak needs 2, but redmd doesn't need a hit, atum does. SharkTenjo 10:06, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Also, most competitive decks only use 2? I know Chaos Dragon uses 2 at most. Not too sure about Hieratic.

I'm guessing nothing will happen to Dark World, it hasn't been topping, it is prevalent in certain areas, but not that much of an issue. Also, Chimeratech Machines is really an OTK kinda deck, they don't try, but a 2nd turn Future with Overload is crazy and game winning, if the opponent can't stop it. Also, Mind Control is kinda balanced when it's at one, and it's nothing like Brain Control, because the monster can't be tributed or used to attack. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  12:50, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Something certainly has to be done about Rescue Rabbit. At east make it Semi-limited. I'd rather that get banned than Tour Guide for example. I think Laggia is safe to be honest --Spongebob456 (talk • contribs) 12:54, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Laggia is probably safe, due to it needing Dino materials. The only decks that come to mind are Jurrac and Evol. Who both can't make first turn Laggia, might be possible, but probably not. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  12:56, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this too...

Forbidden I've always found Brio to be too OP in too many decks, but no one uses Synchros anymore so it's unlikely. Future Fusion is asking for a ban even though I disagree. Many dragon decks even opt not to run it.
 * Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
 * Future Fusion

Limited Rabbit, one or both of the Inzektors, and something in Wind-Ups need to get banned, but I don't see it happening until March. REDMD could get hit but I'm iffy on that one. Though Hieratics are crazy in OCG and this prevents the Gustav Max play. Hitting Atum would do the same so many this or REDMD.
 * Rescue Rabbit
 * Grapha/Snoww, probably Snoww
 * Inzektor Hornet/Dragonfly
 * Zenmaity/Hunter/Anything (not too familiar with Wind-Ups)
 * REDMD
 * Atum

Semi-Limited Agents need their consistency back. And Tour guide will still be crazy powerful, but putting it to two will make it a tiny bit less splashable. Unless people go with Tour Bus instead. And if nothing else, TGU will be drawn less. Maybe March though. Maybe Lonefire can come back with Spore/Glow-Up Forbidden?
 * Agent Earth
 * Tour Guide
 * Lonefire Blossom

Unlimited Burn/Stall decks using most of these cards are too slow. Chain Burn decks won't need 3 Marshmallon or Magic Cylinder. There are more threatening stall cards than Swords of Revealing Light. And there are more threatening loops than D Hero Malicious now. And hell, I'd like a return of Synchro loops. Djjomon (talk • contribs) 13:50, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Marshmallon
 * Level Limit - Area B
 * Destiny Hero - Malicious
 * Swords of Revealing Light
 * Magic Cylinder

Meh.....
BANHAMMA:
 * Hornet - let Inzektors have there derpy spamming, as long as they're not blowing my crap up too.
 * Hunter - same as Hornet
 * Sangan - hurt Tour Guide by getting rid of the splashable target
 * BLS NO JUST KIDDING IT'S FAIR AT 1!

RIMITEDDO:
 * DMoC - not broken anymore
 * TER - not broken anymore
 * Tribe Infecting Virus - not even half good anymore
 * Rescue Rabbit - this card is wacky
 * Atum - no more OTKs for Hieratics
 * Light Pulsar - because REDMD isn't the problem
 * Super Poly - because HEROs shouldn't be able to get around any monster for just a -1.
 * Hieratic Seal of Convocation - because consistency. Opening up with 2 means you can make any play you want really.

SAMMY RIMITEDDO:
 * The Transmigration Prophecy - not really a great card anymore.
 * Miracle Fusion - HEROs are too sacky with this at 3. Plus, players will sit there and hoard them to get around Warnings.

BACK AT TRES:
 * Marshmallon - no one cares about stall anymore
 * Magic Cylinder - only bad burn decks use this
 * Reborn Tengu - because it wasn't even a threat anymore when it was hit. It was relly just a show hit to give us the impression that Konami cares about the TCG.

--> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 20:20, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with some of those, excepting Tribe-Infecting Virus, Sangan, Reborn Tengu, and Miracle Fusion/Super Polymerization. Also, Hornet shouldn't be banned just yet, it would be better to limit Hornet and Dragonfly. I notice a lot of people want Future Fusion to be hit because of Dragons, but why not just ban Five-Headed Dragon? I know there are other powerful Future Fusion combos, but none that are doing well in the current meta excepting Dragons. 108.196.206.15 (talk) 21:21, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * /shrug Likely because Future Fusion makes his Summoning process a lot faster, and banning that (as opposed to FGD) would likely cripple the deck much worse. Lord Grammaticus (talk • contribs) 21:26, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Plus, Future Fusion helps other decks too, it's better to just kill Future, you end up hurting other OTK-type decks that revolve around Chimeratech Overdragon and such. Not like people really use Fusion decks, the only major one is HERO, but they have Miracle and Super Poly, makes more sense to get rid of the card that really is like Painful Choice (Banned), if you think about it. But that's my thought to it. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  21:49, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hornet to 1 and Dragonfly to 1 makes the deck nearly unplayable. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:54, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * If Hornet left, I could be alright with 3 Dragonfly, unless we all end up hating the Rank 3/5 Spam, but seeing as regular non-looping Wind-Ups can already do that, I'm cool with it. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  22:06, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yes I do know it's a big list, this is everything that I could see being hit/unhit, I may have missed a few though. Banned:  Limited:  Semi-Limited:  Unlimited:  You may have noticed how I didn't mention Wind-Ups, that's because it doesn't top for crap, yes it's annoying but so are Lightsworn but they aren't likely to get hit (unless it's for Chaos Dragons). 144.131.206.115 (talk) 06:50, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * BLS (MAYBE, decks that use it aren't topping for shit).
 * Future Fusion (Way way way too good first turn).
 * Laggia (MAYBE, a very very big maybe since in OCG Rabbit decks aren't doing shit).
 * Gaia Dragon, the Thunder Charger (a big part of the Hieratic OTK).
 * Inzektor Sword - Zektkaliber (enables the Inzektor OTK)
 * Wind-Up Zenmaines (ever versed two on the field at once? It's a bitch).
 * Book of Moon (it sees very little play, maybe with two people would run it more).
 * TGU (ONLY if OCG are getting it soon).
 * The Agent of Mystery - Earth (this was way too harsh a hit for Agents).
 * T.G. Striker (same as above, maybe not though it is a special summon floating tuner).
 * Master Hyperion (if agents get a boost this'd be needed).
 * Rabbit (Same as Laggia, it's not very likely, it'd only happen if either A, OCG are getting TGU soon, or B, OCG take note of the fact it's topping so consistently in TCG, before you ask I don't play Rabbit).
 * Elemental HERO Neos Alius AND/OR E - Emergency Call (Heros are topping a bit over in OCG from what I hear).
 * Asceticism of the Six Samurai (Asceticism Six Sam decks are popular in OCGland)
 * REDMD (Big in Chaos Dragons, big in Hieratics (although they aren't needed inhand)).
 * Light-Pulsar (pretty much Chaos Sorc with more atk, more revival and a much more annoying effect).
 * Atum (As I said before, Hieratics are big in OCGland).
 * Inzektor Hornet + Inzektor Dragonfly (hit the consistency a bit. A limit to Hornet or Dragonfly would be too much).
 * Rekindling and/or Laval Volcano Handmaiden (very big for Laval decks which top consistently in OCG).
 * Dragged Down into the Grave (not likely but it's a VERY good card in DW, this is more a personal thing though, I find it's kind of unfair to be able to plus while seeing your opponents hand and discarding a card of your choice, it's why Trap Dustshoot was banned).
 * Pot of Duality and/or Cardcar D (when they're run in 3s in almost every deck you know there's something wrong).
 * Spore and GUB (we can hope, since the meta sped up a bit maybe plants would be a bit fairer).
 * Tengu (I haven't seen a single deck that's used this since the semi, and it's not that amazing outside of synchroing, and why'd they even hit it when TGU was a thing?).


 * In terms of hitting Hieratics, I think that Hieratic Dragon King of Atum and Hieratic Seal of Convocation should be limited; in which case Gaia Dragon, the Thunder Charger might as well be left Unlimited. 108.196.206.15 (talk) 11:38, June 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I doubt Wind-Up Zenmaines will be hit, actually, I see a lot in your list that I don't agree with. REDMD is used at 2 in Chaos Dragon and maybe at 2/3 in the Hieratic OTK, so a Semi on him is useless. But it would be easier to hit the cards that enable OTK plays, so Konami will probably add like maybe 4-5 cards to the list, and maybe change the positions of others. Also, the Plants are probably not coming back, still too many plays left to them, plus they are free, no-cost tuners that can be revived whenever you want, which isn't fair, no matter how you justify it, Plaguespreader Zombie is probably the limit to what a reusable tuner should do, since it has a cost. Plus, you want Tengu AND the Plant tuners back? Yeah, not happening. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  12:53, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I doubt that Reborn Tengu will be back to unlimited in the near future, especially if the Plant tuners return (I'm actually thinking that there's a decent chance of Spore returning). That thing's like Destiny HERO - Malicious, except even worse. 108.196.206.15 (talk) 16:39, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Mali was used in Tele DaD, tengu in Plants. And I was just saying since the meta's so fast now, easily plusing multiple times a turn (Inzektors, Rabbit, etc), the fact they wouldn't plus the hardest might be enough to be brought back. Oh, and my Spore/GUB thing was an "I wish", I do doubt it'll happen and I still think Tengu should be brought back even if Spore/GUB aren't. I doubt many decks would even run him. Sure he's a great floater but what else can you use him for (other than boosting the current sychro decks and stalling)? 144.131.206.115 (talk) 01:44, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Still don't think TeleDAD will be back to where it once was, because the point of this banlist is to probably slow down Inzkektors and Rabbit, so bringing back TeleDAD, even is it just Mali, isn't the best idea, plus, Emergency Teleport is at 2. Even if Tele isn't back to it's old power and speed, still pretty dangerous Synchro stuff. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  12:49, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Mali going to 3 wouldn't make a huge difference for Tele-DAD. It would make it more consistent and usable, but we wouldn't see it topping any YCS's. And after Konami put JD at 3 and Lumina at 2 I'm expecting to see them bringing some other potentially powerful decks off the banlist. Djjomon (talk • contribs) 14:04, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

AS I said earlier, I'm okay with FF/FHD being banned because I use Lightsworns more. Also, just limit Atum, instant stop for the OTK. Zenmaines I would LIKE to be hit, but probably will not, even though it is in the OCG. Right now it seems Chaos, Hieratics, and Inzectors will be the big ones hit. Wind-Ups may get Hunter banned, who knows. From my research RR hasn't been doing so hot, and I doubt that D and Duality will be hit. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 05:15, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

--Tupac1971ful (talk • contribs) 08:57, June 14, 2012 (UTC) well as most said inzektors/rabbits/wind-ups/hieratics/chaos dragons/dark world need to be hit. dragonfly/hornet limited,rescue rabbit semi-limited,hunter limited or banned?,atumn limiterd,future fusion and RED-eyes limited and snow/grapha limited (snow problably)..but except of those there are decks that need a little push like blackwings they are too slow nowadays many cards hitted and cant stand the meta in their current state,than lonefire and debris can be at 2 as well as mezuki or Agent of mystery - earth, (zombies even with their swarming they dobnt see play)..the help lightsworns a lot so maybe lumina at 3? but possibly not..