Forum:September 2009 Forbidden & Limited Lists

Shriek has confirmed the OCG banlist for September, and as the banlist is never changed, it's probably the one for TCG as well.

http://shriek.twoday.net/

There's the link to the site.

Forbidden
 * Card of Safe Return
 * Monster Reborn (NO!)
 * Dark Strike Fighter
 * Crush Card Virus (just after it being released in the TCG as a rare in the Turbo Pack...)

Restricted
 * Demise, King of Armageddon (wtf?)
 * Mind Master (wtf?)
 * Rescue Cat
 * Mind Control
 * Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind
 * One for One
 * Solemn Judgment (SO BALANCED, WTF?!?!)
 * Summoner Monk
 * Cold Wave
 * Black Rose Dragon
 * Call of the Haunted (They should have limited both this and Reborn. Call is SO slow)

Semi-Restricted
 * Bottomless Trap Hole (wth? only two bottomless?)
 * Dulauren, Tiger King of the Ice Boundary
 * Lonefire Blossom (poor plants. Poor helpless plants who had no power to begin with. WHY!?)
 * Mezuki (Zombies have hope!)
 * Chaos Sorcerer (nice choice here)

No longer Restricted
 * Raiza the Storm Monarch
 * Destiny Draw (now only if it was common...)
 * Fissure (we'll see here... 4 auto destruction cards...)
 * Breaker the Magical Warrior (I'd prefer to see it semi'd, but I like it)
 * Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest (Nice that they unlimit him, now that he's DEAD)
 * D.D. Warrior Lady (I like this idea)

--Tantara 22:03, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Woops, thanks for moving the thread, forgot that there was a lists discussion thread. --Tantara 22:21, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

List Discussion
Looks like a Lightsworn Player made this list. Animedude3000 23:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly, lol. They're going to dominate the next format. --Tantara 23:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I'm a little disappointed in this list. I'm not a huge fan of unlimited Fissure or Breaker the Magical Warrior. I'm a bit perplexed as to why Bottomless Trap Hole was semi-limited. There isn't too much out there other than BTH and Torrential Tribute to keep high attack monsters in check now that Crush Card Virus is gone. I expected the Card of Safe Return banning to allow Mezuki at two (good move IMO). Lightsworn not getting touched is a little worrisome. I run LS, and even I don't like the move too much. The rest of the list I pretty much agree with. I don't think semi-limiting Lonefire Blossom will hurt as much as people think it will. It is going to be a slower meta, so I think limiting Solemn Judgment helped out in that aspect as it would rule the meta (even though it is a skill card). --Sub (Talk | Contribs) 23:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Card of Safe Return was banned due to the introduction of Burial Zombies (2 mezuki + 1 Plaguespreader + 1 Card of Safe Return + Burial from the Different Dimension = HOLY CRAP THAT'S A LOT OF DRAWS). Lonefire being touched was most likely caused by the introduction of Arms hole and Supervis. I'm surprised that Konami didn't even touch Charge of the Light Brigade and banned Reborn in favor of Call of the Haunted. I'm in favor of limiting them both. --Tantara 23:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

bewks Thoughts...
Wow, I am almost ok with this list! A couple things bug me: Otherwise, it is a fair list. Maybe Gadgets will see some play? Maybe Zombies will rise up once again? MAYBE LIGHTSWORN WILL HAVE COMPLETE ADVANTAGE AND RULE THIS META?! Oh well.
 * 1) Demise should have been semi'd
 * 2) What is broken about Mind Master?
 * 3) I don't get One for One...
 * 4) Solemn Judgment is a bit iffy for me
 * 5) Lonfire Blossom didn't need to be touched
 * 6) FISSURE AT THREE?!
 * 7) BREAKER AT THREE?!
 * 8) Why no Lightsworn cards? Honest, anyone?


 * Demise shouldn't be touched, no one uses it. Mind Master is level 1 lol, to go with One for One. Solemn Judgment is a balanced skill card. Lonefire should never be touched. Ever. Fissure is nice as it's never used. Breaker is a nice boost for spellcaster with tempest and magical citadel and whatnot. I agree, Lightsworn will destroy us all.


 * Actually, considering the Ritual Stuff that Rituals are getting, I wasn't surprised that Demise was getting touched because the New Ritual Stuff would make Demise Golden. and yeah i agree, seeing Mind Master getting hit made me go WTF (Same WTF that i gave when they hit ROTA in March).~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 23:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Mind Master was put at one, along w/ One for One because of an OTK with it and the new field card Brain Research Lab. You would summon Mind Master and another psychic and cycle through your psychic monsters pumping up its attack and allowing it to attack twice and then finishing off the opponent the same turn. Fissure at 3 is asking for Gadgets to be playing like crazy. Heck I'll throw them into my Spellcaster too. Lonefire is a bit too good, thing the deck, summon Tytannial, Princess of Camellias, Pot of Avarice them back next turn, etc. Solemn Judgment at one keeps the Anti-Meta decks from ruling the day (well completely anyways). Animedude3000 00:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I've heard about that OTK... anyways, Rituals being top tier is laughable and Plants and Anti-Meta aren't close to top tier so there was no reason to touch them. --Tantara 00:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

--Are we going to apply this list now?Because it's still August.

Jampong 01:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * List won't take effect until next month, but might as well get ready for it. No sense in buying three Dark Strike Fighters or whatever. --Bluedog (Talk) 01:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

--Okay.i think the OTK above this is about Reinforced Human Psychic Borg.Having Brain Research Lab,summon him and Mind Master(and there must be another Psychic monster to tribute w/ Mind Master),actitave his effect.Special Summon Power Injector,then use Injector's effect,then activate again Mind Master's effect,repeating the Power injector effect(making Psychic Borg's ATK at 3000).Then Use Mind Master's effect to summon Psychic Snail,use his effect on Psychic Borg,then use Psychic Borg's effect(making him 4500,at double attacker).Then if there are face-down S/T cards on opponent's field,you can use Mind Master's effect to Summon Destructotron.That's how it works.

Jampong 01:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Is this official list for tcg also?
--Pr1ncpanda 01:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)this seem like a good list.. was hoping they would semi bestiari since they limited rescue cat..well guess i got 2 go with the prisma build


 * This is the OCG list but, knowing Konami, it's probably the TCG list as well. --Tantara 02:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Reaction and Comments in the New List
Forbidden


 * 1. Card of Safe Return being Forbidden is okay for me.I understand.
 * 2. I don't know why they Forbidden Monster Reborn again.
 * 3. I thought they won't Forbidden Dark Strike Fighter.Even 1 of him in a deck Kills.
 * 4. Why Crush Card Virus???

Limited


 * 1. Demise is good now at 1,because the cards that will come out at SOVR are support for Ritual Decks.
 * 2. I understand why they limit Mind Master.
 * 3. Rescue Cat is a one turn Synchro Path.
 * 4. Mind Control is like Brain Control
 * 5. GOT YA GALE!!!!I thought you'll never die!!!
 * 6. I also understand why One for One get Limited.
 * 7. WHY DID YOU DIE SOLEMN JUGDMENT!?!?!?!?(T_T)
 * 8. I never thought Cold Wave would be hit.
 * 9. WHY BLACK ROSE DRAGON!?!?!?!?
 * 10. They Forbid Monster Reborn,then they Limit Call of the Haunted back.

Semi-Limited


 * 1. Bottomless Trap Hole is good at 2.
 * 2. Dulauren, Tiger King of the Ice Boundary has lots of combos.Imagine a never ending Swords of Revealing Light.
 * 3. Goodbye Lonefire Blossom
 * 4. Now Card of Safe Return is gone,Mezuki is good at 2.
 * 5. Wow.2 Chaos Sorcerer.Go Chaos Decks.

Unlimited


 * 1. Go Monarch Decks!!!Raiza is now at 3.
 * 2. Destiny Draw is REALLY good at 3.Now that they OVER KILLED Tele-DaD deck.
 * 3. Wow.3 Fissures.KILLER!!!
 * 4. WHY BREAKER!?!?!?!!?
 * 5. The Baboon isn't that strong at all.
 * 6. WHY WARRIOR LADY!?!?!?!

--That's my Reactions.

Jampong 02:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Thoughts
Forbidden
 * Card of Safe Return (No comment)
 * Monster Reborn (This angers me)
 * Dark Strike Fighter (Not really surprising)
 * Crush Card Virus (Haha, oh wow...)

Restricted
 * Demise, King of Armageddon (wat)
 * Mind Master (ummm wat)
 * Rescue Cat (Too bad 1 is all it takes to bust out a huge Synchro Monster)
 * Mind Control (Not surprising)
 * Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind (Makes sense, in its own way)
 * One for One (huh?)
 * Solemn Judgment (I really don't see why they had to do that)
 * Summoner Monk
 * Cold Wave
 * Black Rose Dragon (Most people only run 1 anyway)
 * Call of the Haunted (Replacing Monster Reborn with this? Great...)

Semi-Restricted
 * Bottomless Trap Hole (Now who's going to save me from JD?)
 * Dulauren, Tiger King of the Ice Boundary (Haven't seen it be used, so can't really say much)
 * Lonefire Blossom (Because Plants have SO much going for them...)
 * Mezuki (Not even gonna bother)
 * Chaos Sorcerer (Yay Chaos is back!... sorta)

No longer Restricted
 * Raiza the Storm Monarch
 * Destiny Draw
 * Fissure (This doesn't even make sense to me)
 * Breaker the Magical Warrior (This could go either way)
 * Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest (Haven't seen it be used much, so can't really say much)
 * D.D. Warrior Lady (I kinda like this, but then again, it's gonna be a pain)

--Bluedog (Talk) 03:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

GLAD FANS
this list doesn't seem like glads are gonna have a drastic change they are just gonna stay the 3rd best deck depending on blackwings --Pr1ncpanda 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Its been a while, I will keep this short. My opinions on the list...Good in some ways, bad in others. Honestly I have slowed my playing of the game but even if my Blackwing deck is "Dead" I know of a way to keep it alive :P. I had a feeling to prepare for the worst for my deck just in case something happened to Gale. And I was right, most of these changes actually either benefit the "New" blackwing deck I have in mind or don't affect it. Now if only I had a bunch of money to toss around for new cards lol. Oh wells, I mostly quit the game due to school. Good luck to you all and..Eer Have fun with three fissures and Three breakers O_O.--Takuma. 04:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

My thoughts
Forbidden


 * Card of Safe Return WTF, now how are zombies supposed to be run?
 * Monster Reborn Why ban all the good staples? Monster Reborn was good for the past year...
 * Dark Strike Fighter This is the only good addition...
 * Crush Card Virus Why?

Restricted


 * Demise, King of Armageddon Makes a bit of sense... With Stardust Overdrive.
 * Mind Master I guess there are OTKS with this card...
 * Rescue Cat Another Meta almost destroyed...
 * Mind Control Kinda reasonable
 * Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind This, I totally expected.
 * One for One ???
 * Solemn Judgment This sucks...
 * Summoner Monk Synchro-Cat is dead...
 * Cold Wave Don't really mind
 * Black Rose Dragon Not many people run more than 1 of this anyway
 * Call of the Haunted This is useless now

Semi-Restricted


 * Bottomless Trap Hole No comment
 * Dulauren, Tiger King of the Ice Boundary ?
 * Lonefire Blossom Kinda justified, although not many people play plants competitively
 * Mezuki Has Konami lost it? They ban COSR and semi this? What's the point?
 * Chaos Sorcerer This is kinda good

No longer Restricted


 * Raiza the Storm Monarch Yes!
 * Destiny Draw Good pick... if it wasn't for the fact that TeleDad is now useless... all the good D-Heroes on the list...
 * Fissure Gadgets can dominate again
 * Breaker the Magical Warrior ?
 * Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest This is ok... but the decks are useless now
 * D.D. Warrior Lady Wow, this is actually a good choice

In total, the list is hopeless. Why cripple zombie decks even more? Mezuki was perfectly okay at 1 with COSR at 1 as well... Now it makes no sense. Toob 04:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

--Why did they limit Black Rose Dragon into one?

Jampong 07:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Really.
With this Konami might limit/semi-limit anything. Such as Gift Card, Shapesnatch, Polymerization i dont know.--Airbellum 07:32, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Also to Jamping, i think they limited black rose dragon since dsf was banned and that would be the only lv7 synchro left.Or it might be because of that debris-hime (not really sure how it works).--Airbellum 07:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

--What's Debris-Hime???

Jampong 07:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Black Rose Dragon Limited Because
of Debris-hime decks
 * 1 Card to bomb the field and get defence.
 * Debris Dragon. It can get Dandylion, synchro, Black Rose Bomb, SS 2 Dandylion tokens, turn end. Falzar FZ 09:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Personal Comments on the list
(First time posting here, sorry if this goes horribly wrong) Forbidden: Card of Safe Return - Manticore Loop, Faultroll, Zombie abuse, this thing quickly ends up giving 5+ draws in many Decks. My Fiend Roar Deck regularly draws at least 14 cards in a turn from it, broken and needed the ban.

Monster Reborn - They're testing different revival, I prefer seeing CoTH over Monster Reborn, it slows the game down a bit, which is what we needed.

Dark Strike Fighter - Seriously needed this, a card which OTKs way too easily.

Crush Card Virus - Heh, you can tell that the OCG made this list, considering that TCG only just got a pack with this. Rather a devastating card, although there are much less targets than there used to be.

Restricted Demise, King of Armageddon - With the new Ritual Support and Salvo-Demise, it's probably a good move.

Mind Master - Crazy-death-OTK, no more needs to be said, it was broken in that combo.

Rescue Cat - I'd rather they hit this than Airbellum, X-Sabers are looking nice this format.

Mind Control - I've been running 3 very often, got to agree on the limit.

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind - Splashable tuner, can take down Monarchs and Stardust, DARK, and even more broken it its own Archtype. I'd have been happy to see it banned.

One for One - Part of Mind Master OTK, some crazy frog OTKs, XX-Saber Loop OTK and more, it's making some things too powerful right now.

Solemn Judgment - I never really used this, but faced it a lot and was annoyed. I'm glad it took the hit.

Summoner Monk - It makes for very effective Synchro, limit is just about fair.

Cold Wave - Never really saw this much, no comment.

Black Rose Dragon - Normally, only Plant Decks run this at more than 1 - I guess this and Lonefire show that Plants were getting too crazy in Japan?

Call of the Haunted - See comment on MR, I like slower format.

Semi-Restricted

Bottomless Trap Hole - Decent card, don't know if it needed this. No real comment.

Dulauren, Tiger King of the Ice Boundary - Nobody would run this @3 except for his OTK, which doesn't work @2. Doesn't do anything but good here.

Lonefire Blossom - Instant Tytan from Deck? Or setup for Debu-Hime? I agree with this hit.

Mezuki - With CoSR banned, this is 100% fair for Zombies, in fact, I'd like to see it @3.

Chaos Sorcerer - Chaos Decks take a little bit of creativity, I like it @2.

No longer Restricted

Raiza the Storm Monarch - Fair enough, Monarchs aren't that bad.

Destiny Draw - D-Draw Engine recovering? I think this is fine.

Fissure - Seems fine to me, after all, we have plenty of crazy s/t removal, monsters are getting it too.

Breaker the Magical Warrior - <3<3<3 With this and Chaos, a whole new Deck just became workable to me.

Green Baboon, Defender of the Forest - He's not that powerful anymore, nice Beast-Tech to stop OTKs after they blow up a monster. Fair @3.

D.D. Warrior Lady - Fair move. 94.3.212.147 19:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

They might as well ban solemn nobody is going to use 1. Also i am surprised Konami restricted so many stuff befor they are release. If you guys think about it is whats the point of ancient prohecy and stardust overdrive if your going to ban all the combos. And no more change there is going to be more light, dark, lightdark mix, glads, and d-heros.FTP, KONAMI--Airbellum 19:32, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

No, Solemn Judgment doesn't need to be banned. And I disagree, it will still be used at one per deck. But now you'll have people using the much worse card Dark Bribe or other counter traps. Crush Card Virus being banned sucks as well. It's going to be much harder to defend against Gladiator Beasts and Lightsworns. Animedude3000 20:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

My thoughts
I myself actually like this list mostly, I just wish they also would hit GB's and LS's

Forbidden

* Card of Safe Return (It was a pretty broken card) * Monster Reborn (This card was also pretty unbalanced, glad they replaced it with call of the haunted.) * Dark Strike Fighter (AND STAY GONE) * Crush Card Virus (I think 1 wasn't that bad.) Limited

* Demise, King of Armageddon (With the new ritual support comming, it was a good idea) * Mind Master (?????) * Rescue Cat (He was broken   * Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind (Was very annoying to go against)    * One for One (Why?)    * Solemn Judgment (Aww.. I was wanting to make a burn deck to counter this..)       * Black Rose Dragon (but JD is at 2....)

* Call of the Haunted (Much more balanced than Monster Reborn)

Semi-Limited

* Bottomless Trap Hole (It is annoying at 3, I agree with this one) * Dulauren, Tiger King of the Ice Boundary * Lonefire Blossom (Plants are not even top tier, put this card back at 3) * Mezuki (Zombies have hope!) * Chaos Sorcerer (GO CHAOS!)

No longer limited

* Raiza the Storm Monarch (I run a Monarch deck and this card unlimited would help them become top again) * Fissure (With all the swarming, this card really isn't that bad at three) * Breaker the Magical Warrior (Your back row isn't safe anymore against Spellcasters..)

Was it really wise?
To unlimit Fissure and Breaker? I mean breaker helps clear the field, and fissure is just an auto kill applied to almost all monsters. This would just make way for ... A Breaker/Fissure, OTK or something Lol.

Konami is high
This list was made by a pissed off lightsworn player. Just needed to get that off my chest but this list is one of the wackiest list i have seen, replacing Monster Reborn for Call is alot worse. Me and my friend were play testing his aliens with the new banlist so he got to use Call of the Haunted 3 times because he used the lvl 5 synchro monster. So having a balanced card for an even more broken form of that card is stupid. I mean even just with giant trunade you would get to use that card again. Solemn Judgment to one.....wow they just made the meta alot slower. Who would run only 1 Solemn. Blackwings just got hit hard with limiting gale to 1. I think it should be kept at 2 so they can still have some potential. Love the 3 fissure and Breaker -_- Konami WTF is the point of having a turbo pack with a forbidden card we all voted to have. Also DSF should of been limited to 1 and not of been the one of the 4 card to be unlimited to forbidden in one format. DSF is a an even less broken card with gale limited to 1. W/E thats my thoughts.
 * Well see there are a lot sweet combos with DSF as far as OTK's and FTK's go. Which is probably why they banned it. It can end the game swiftly... Making Meta game way to quick. For example Vayu Turbo. It's just extremely quick, and doesn't need Gale to fuel it. I'm not trying to argue or anything I'm just explaining. I can really relate to you when it comes to Breaker and Fissure though, I have a feeling Spellcasters are going to be great soon. -.- --VylitLovesViolence 06:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Another meta of slowed down lightsworns,glads,blackwings, and d-heros. --Airbellum 06:43, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * (Agreeing with the person who posted after "Konami is High". For the most part you took the words right out of my mouth before the ban list. Gale should have been at two for some potential left in normal blackwings though the usage of gale lowered. Though the Vayu version is interesting it is more of a rich persons build rather than something that costs a reasonable amount like normal blackwings and other archetypes. And it doesn't look like its strong enough to compete in the top of the meta anyways. In my opinion, Call of the haunted is justified because it is more balanced than both premature and monster reborn. Though Solemn at one was weird, Fissure at three was just stupid, and Breaker at three is also very stupid. DSF should have been at 1 because with less gales it is harder to get the OTK. Also with one DSF and one of Summon Priest and Rescue cat, Synchro cat OTk is out of the picture. Though...WTF were they thinking when making GREED GRADO?! Thats already an effect that = Pot of greed and all you have to do is kill a synchro! Thats not too hard since a lot of ppl use synchros...not only that beating them down or using fissure on them is going to be pretty common. I have a feeling that card will be going to limited soon if abused. *sigh* The Vayu blackwings are fun though the materials you need to finish the deck are insane, you need two or three of each blackwing synchro for starters. Well hope the rest of you have fun with the new list..I might just go to anti meta decks cause of the Fissure un limit.--Takuma. 06:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Good and bad list, like always
I mostly like the new list. At preview yesterday I didn’t know and traded a vayu for dark strike fighter >.< Vayu sucks anyway (only sum black wing syncs and need elphin and surrico to get anything out). I guess one for one was used with mind master or something. Mind master is pretty good in a pure psychic deck or such. And yah, figure crush is rare and then they ban. Now only thing really good in turbo back is doom caliber (someone pulled at sneak peek sealed >.<) and judgment. I like solemn going down to one sorta, I got 6 in total and lent 3 to friend >.< Nice since it forces me to get rid of it in decks so I get more room XD Same for bottomless, maybe I can finally fit dimensional prison. Shocked lonefire only got semi limited, it murders in skill drain plants so should be 1. DD Warrior lady was rarely used at one, doubt most decks will run more then 2. With 3 breakers (WTF! Card that is always limit or ban goes to 3?) and 2 chaos sorcerer spell casters are going to murder. Glads, lightsworn, skill drain plants, monarchs, spell casters probably top decks now. Somehow I expect new dark and blackwing decks to rise still... 3rd Ddraw helps my exodia a lot now. I’m so shocked they didn’t ban or limit jester confit. When I heard he was off banlsit I snagged 3 at preview XD He can special summon with no cost at all to be tribute (could be crushed too), also works with spell caster and allure. Cyber at 1 and he’s at 3? lol

Also since the extra pack 2 doesn’t come out till sept 19th in japan, it is possible for tcg any of those cards and newer ones could get banned. Probably if any get limit/ban, it will be charge .Bio 10:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

List over reacted in most areas
Crush Card banned? why bother even releasing. Leaving it at one was great espceially with the turbos since alot more people would be on equal footing. (fucking kicking myself in the ass since Im actually just waiting on a CCV that I bought over ebay about a week ago for 150 to show up)

Monster Reborn banned? another case of a card being set to one that was perfectly resonable. I mean not only is Call alot easier to abuse its also alot easier to pull out. There are far more searchers for traps from both deck and graveyard then there are for spells.

DSF banned? ok I didn't like DSF i thought he was pretty broken, at 3 anyway. I felt limiting him to one and taking summoner down to 2 would be fine. Since it would slow down the chances of it happening and if your oppenent took out 1 summoner monk the whole thing would fall apart.

This list basically hit every potential unsurper deck that was attempting to take out lightswarms or glad beasts. Hopefully this won't be a exact copy of what the tcg list will be. Else we be feeling shockwaves of this well into next yearSteelfallenangel 14:20, 16 August 2009 (UTC)