User talk:Cheesedude

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Manga lores
Y'know, I've always added the manga lores in the TCG style, like Spirit Sword Thanatos's lore, for example, but I was thinking, the lores aren't like that, Thanatos' for example reads "Increases ATK by 300. Destroy a token to gain its ATK.", and Viz does translate them like that, not like the TCG lores. You think it'd be better if I added the lores like that? I think so, mainly because many are not precise, and we end up "inventing" parts of it. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:38, July 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that sounds good. You may as well as well make them as literal as possible then. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:45, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

SNo.
Should we already create a page for Shining Numbers or wait for more members? The Chaos Numbers have quite some members, and its an actual archetype, so I'm not sure if Shining Numbers is already worth of an article. If you don't know 'bout it yet, it's pretty much the manga Chaos Xyz Change, born from the bonds between Yuma, Shark and Kaito. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:17, July 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not an archetype, no support (if I'm not misinformed). Only one member, so it doesn't qualify as a series. So its a no for now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:18, July 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yessir. It's a series once 3 members exist, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:25, July 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:29, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Gilag
I have come to talk to you about your edits to the Gilag, page and I would like to argue that what I have written (and rewritten) about his personality is rather relevant to his character as a whole because it is an in-depth description about how his personality is shown. If you disagree please contact me so we may discuss this further but until this issue is resolved I will leave the page alone Sincerely User:JanSzaryJanSzary (talk • contribs) 21:13, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

First of all, I very much appreciate your coming to talk to me instead of reverting. Thank you. Starting from the beginning, I'm not sure what you mean about it contradicting his status as a Barian warrior. Most of the Barians never showed disgust to human. Only Mizael and Vector. You mentioned his friendship with Alit twice, feel free to put one of those instances back in. The point on Ponta is also valid. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:17, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Manga vs. Anime
Do you think it's a relevant thing to, in a character's manga article, make comparisons to its anime counterpart? For example: in the anime, when Kaito dueled Jinlong and he had Galaxy-Eyes taken, he chose not to destroy it, 'cause he would never hurt Galaxy-Eyes; in the manga, when he dueled Hishakaku and had Galaxy-Eyes taken, he did the opposite - used counter tactics to fight it, 'cause he'd rather destroy Galaxy-Eyes over having it against him. You think it's relevant to note things like this? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:42, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

New Character Templates
Is work still being done to them because they're missing a few important sections (such as Decks, species etc)? Thanks. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 13:05, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Nevermind about the Decks haha, I forgot to put the underscore between anime and Deck. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 13:32, July 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Think about when species was used. For the Barians and for characters like Pharaoh that are animals. There's really no need for it, when 80% of characters are human. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:37, July 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I was just wondering because it had been left in various templates, so I didn't know whether or not the wiki was keeping it since it was used in the old ones. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 22:36, July 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Other users have been replacing them and weren't aware they were gone, I suppose. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:37, July 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, would it be worthwhile to add an "Ace_Monster" slot to the new character templates? Considering it is a big thing within the franchise n'all. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 13:27, August 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * It would spiral out of control just like the signature cards page and result in edit wars. So, I'd really rather not do that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:11, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Kastle family
Could you create a page on the Kastle Family? I have shark's locket photo of them together so do you want to do it and may be by the next episode, they might reveal how Shark ended up the way he was and if it was because of the fortune left behind. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 04:42, July 30, 2013 (UTC)david_40

Signature Cards
I don't understand why you remove these from the list of signature cards?DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 10:05, July 30, 2013 (UTC) Yu-gi-oh!
 * odion - he is a supporting character and it says on his page that his signature card is temple of the kings
 * Zigfried von Schroeder - he is a main villain and it says on his page that his signature card is ride of the Valkyries
 * ryo bakura - he is a supporting character and it says on his page that his favorite card is change of heart
 * weevil underwood - he is a supporting character and it says his page that his ace monster is insect queen
 * mako tsunami - he has dueled twice and he has a strong emotional attachment to legendary fisherman
 * alister - he was a main antagonist that duel kaiba 2 and it says on his page that Air Fortress Ziggurat is his ace monster.
 * seeker - he dueled twice once against joey and once against yugi and exodia is his signature as his whole deck focuses on summoning it and haf his deck is made up of exodia pieces
 * Vivian wong - she was a supporting character during the grand championship arc, she duel twice once against yugi and once against rebecca and it says on her page her ace monster is dragon lady.
 * espa roba - he dueled twice and it says on his page that jinzo is his key monster
 * Rebecca Hawkins- she is a supporting character and has dueled 5 times.
 * Solomon moto - he is a supporting character and ancient dragon is his signature as Arthur said that he is the only person to ever summon it and it says on his page that his deck is focused around it.
 * duke devil - he is a supporting character, has dueled 3 times, and has used orgoth twice.

Yu-Gi-Oh! R
 * Bandit Keith - he dueled twice and he used wicked eraser in both duels

Yu-Gi_oh! GX anime
 * The D - he dueled twice and it says on his page that his deck focuses on summoning plasma which he used in both duels
 * professor viper - he is a main antagonist and it says on his deck page that Vennominaga the Deity of Poisonous Snakes is his signature card
 * nightshroud - darkness is the signature for his true deck as his entire strategy is dependent on that card and it says on his deck page that his true deck focuses on this card and it is his namesake.

Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's anime
 * bolt taner - his is a supporting character for the shows first 2 seasons, dueled 3 times, and it says on his page that giant ushi oni is his ace monster
 * tetsu trudge - goyo guardian is the signature of his second turbo duel deck as he has used it 3 times and in the tag force games it was given summoning and attack animation.
 * greiger - it says on his deck page that Earthbound Immortal Chacu Challhua is the key card of his dark signer deck and on the dark signer page it says that the earthbound immortals of the signature cards of the dark signers and greiger was a dark signer
 * rex Goodwin - he is both a supporting character and main antagonist and it says on the dark signers page that the earthbound immortals are the signature cards of the dark signers and Goodwin was a dark signer, so his signature is Earthbound Immortal Wiraqocha Rasca.
 * sherry leblanc - she is a supporting character and it says on both her page and deck page that Chevalier de Fleur is her ace

Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal anime
 * cathy - she is a supporting character and she has used twin-tail cat lady twice

Multiplication signs
In this edit summary, you mentioned there was a consensus to use the letter  over the multiplication sign. Could you link me to the area where this was discussed? I'm interested to see the reasoning behind the decision; if I could see why it was decided to use an inaccurate symbol I could more easily discuss changing the consensus. -- Snorlax Monster  07:30, August 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * There wasn't an specific discussion about it, but we've always done it this way for the same reason we don't use curly quotations marks. Its simpler this way. Formatting the signs like that also don't display properly on certain browsers. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:21, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Effects that target monsters and Negate attacks
I was reading the written anime effect of "Force Resonator". Is the anime effect of "Force Resonator" temporary as it's not written there. Also I can't tell when a card that negates attacks will target the monster that's attacking as I was reading 5d's Episode 131 and "Skiel Guard", but it doesn't explicitly say target since this was before the Problem Solving Text occurred. If it doesn't target then the effect of "Force Resonator" couldn't have stopped it from activating. I need a explanation on this. Reply when you can!Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 18:31, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

GX Episode 88
There was a flashback that showed Chazz abusing his Ojamas which he considers but I don't know whose flashback that was or what it was about. Also I can't find "Armed Dragon LV10" in any known flashbacks. Did it actually appear in a flashback in this episode? Use http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjzjeu_yu-gi-oh-duel-monsters-gx-episode-88-subbed-1-2_shortfilms and http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjzjew_yu-gi-oh-duel-monsters-gx-episode-88-subbed-2-2_shortfilms to look around for any references. Reply when you can!Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 19:29, August 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not sure what you mean with the first point. As for the second, it would have been in flashbacks to his Duel with Sartorius, though there's a chance it was LV7, not 10. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:50, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * There is a flashback that shows Chazz drawing on the Ojama cards, using them as bait, as well as throwing them around. I can't remember whose flashback that was and why and when it was. As for flashbacks with Sartorius, I only saw the one that showed Sartorius explaining to Chazz that he can help him give him the strength he needs to beat Jaden. The one that showed Chazz's "Armed Dragon" is where I'm stumped. When was the flashback that showed Chazz's Dragon shown. Reply when you can!Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 05:30, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know anything about that flashback either. As for "Armed Dragon", if you can't find it, remove it. I was not the one who added the Featured cards there. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:47, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

No. 101
May I suggest that an admin intervene in the discussion about No. 101 ? I get a feeling that this is going to end badly. =_=' HPZ - O.N.E.   ~Hanayo Asa~  10:28, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Name Idea
Remember when I suggested giving Yuma's group a name when they boarded the airship? What I just put in "Number Hunters (Group)" or something like that? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 18:27, August 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, the group aboard the airship didn't really end up being relevant, since it was all split after Sargasso. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:58, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

But what about the members who traveled around the world for the Legendary Numbers, or the guys that help them? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 20:50, August 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't see why we'd need an article for that. It'd be comparable to making an article that encompasses Yugi, Tea, Tristan and Joey as a group. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:52, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

That's not what I meant. What I'm trying to say is that there should be some kind of group name for Yuma and the other Numbers Hunters in their fight against the Barians. It's different with them compared to Yugi and his friends. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 21:09, August 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Why? Did we make a group page for the people that went with Jaden to the spirit world? I just don't see the point. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:12, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

That's because most of the focus was directed towards Jaden. Besides, I just think we should give a name for Yuma, Shark, and Kite to designate them during the "Inter-dimensional War" arc. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 21:25, August 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, now you're getting somewhere. In this case, I'd compare it to Yugi, Joey and Kaiba during Waking the Dragons. We probably could use a page for that too. As for what to call either page, I've no idea. Your call. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:31, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Did you just actually agree to my idea? I'll be honest, I'm a little surprised you're willing to go along with it now.

Back on topic, why not refer to Yuma's team as "Number Hunters (Zexal), and for Yugi "Chosen of the Legendary Dragons"? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 21:42, August 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, I didn't, you must have imagined it. I didn't understand exactly what you meant at first. We got there eventually.
 * They're not strictly Number Hunters. Shark and Kite are sort of incidental Number Hunters at this point. They have them, but only because they were basically forced into taking them. For Yugi's, I'm pretty sure there was an in-universe name for them that we could use. I just don't remember what the name was, unfortunately. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:25, August 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Then we'll just call Yugi's group "Chosen Duelists", since Dark Magician Girl referred to them as such. As for Yuma...how about "Kattobingu". That's all I got. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 22:35, August 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sounds fine for Yugi's. Yuma's not so much. Think on it. I will too. No rush, right? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:21, August 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think I may have a name that could work for Yuma's group. "Members of the Different Dimension Airship". I'll start up a page for both groups soon. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 04:00, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'm gonna get started on the page for Yugi's group, but I'm still racking my brain on what to call Yuma's group? Would Team Zexal do for it?
 * Quick question about the page. In the notes section, can I say something like "approved by Cheesedude" so it doesn't get taken down right away? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 04:07, August 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * You mean in the edit summary? Yeah, link to this conversation if you like. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:24, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Dub name of Alit
My apoligy on that, I realized my mistake shortly after I reverted him. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 20:16, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem. Glad you realized on your own though. :) Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:16, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Gallery Issue
Just to let you know, the gallery link for "Googly-Eyes Drum Dragon" is messed up. I did rename the Gallery page when I moved the card to the TCG name, but something glitched, evidently.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:39, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Same issue with "Starliege Lord Galaxion" too.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:40, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I think I fixed them. You can either create the page and delete it or move the page back to old name, then back again. Is it fixed for you? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:04, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep, all good. Thanks.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 21:05, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Fender is Fendel
Hi. I just wanted to mention that the name of Yuma's first Barian opponent is actually Fendel according to the closed captions. That is Fendel with an "l" as opposed to Fender with an "r".

I haven't a clue as to how to go about fixing it, so I thought I'd let you know so can be aware. Thanks. --J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 21:38, August 17, 2013 (UTC)J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 21:46, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, according to closed captain, it is Fender not Fendel. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 21:49, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Woah! I guess it was Fender then. Still, when I watched it, I could have sworn that the closed caption said "Fendel". Maybe I miss-read what I saw? Having said that, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who use Closed Captions when watching, as that's the best way to get spelling down and not miss anything. Well then, thank you.--J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 22:29, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to add that I don't think Mizael's name has been revealed like Vector, Dumon, and Alito's has.--J. D. Guy (talk • contribs) 22:32, August 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is true, Mizael's English dub name hasn't been revealed yet. Despite him actually talking in the beginning, the closed captain didn't show his name. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 00:30, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Speculation. I think. It is obvious I agree
Doing this and then using that to justify this is misleading, IMO. I mean he is saying he doesn't have any proof, and then uses his previous edit saying that to justify the latter. I will accept I am being pedantic given how likely it is - but that's the thing its likely, not a fact... :s I'm not trying to say I ahven't made my fair share of junk edits; but I try to fix things/improve articles not add my own speculation/head-cannon... Thought I would leave it with you. Hope you don't mind -- slave (command) 09:44, September 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's not cool at all. I'll revert and warn him. Granted, it is likely that's when the card appears, but we still can't be sure. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:57, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

ORU
So, I noticed you are using the term "Overlay Unit" rather than "Xyz Material" in the anime episodes' articles. Should I do the same with the manga? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:43, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Depends on what they actually call it. I'd wager D-Team actually uses "Xyz Material". I don't know about the regular manga. So yeah, use whatever the chapter uses. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:57, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Roger. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:21, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Images
Well, does one policy say about having images edited? Some of them are quite dark and could be brighter. E n e r g y X ∞ 21:36, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Number Holders Help?
Hi, basically over at the Number Holders article a user is trying to place false/unconfirmed information and present it as fact. There have been far to many edits between he and myself regarding the subject and feel that an admin should step in. The that is disputed is as follows;


 * 1. in the Inactive Number Hunters section when stating how many numbers the dueslist own(ed) Nistro's should be listed as one (1) as he owned Number 54, he claims that because he was under Barian influence that it doesnt count, but the fact of the matter is that he owned it.


 * 2. In regards the the Arclight Brothers method of taking Numbers he claims that it is the crests despite it never being shown or stated that is how they do it. I know the Wiki prefers confirmed info to be placed on its articles so it should be left as unknown until it is confirmed.

Th user in question is - Firered16 SA

Thank you for your time on this matter. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 23:18, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say Nistro had a Number. He used one, just like Shark with Number 30. It still belonged to Alit. IV used his crest to take Kurage's Number. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:30, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Number Archetype Removal
HEY Cheesedude, I never said you can remove the Over-Hundred, Legendary, and Fake Numbers from the Number page. Don't do that without consulting with me. The are a sub-archtype, or related I don't Seriously, didn't you read my message?!--im gay (talk • contribs) 03:48, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Rio/Merag
Since you merged the Shark and Nasch pages, would it also be a logical choice to merge Rio's and Merag's pages, or should a consensus be reached again? ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 21:20, September 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm actually in the process of merging them right now. :) Anything that applies to one does apply to the other. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:22, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Change main pics in Barian Emperor leaders' pages
Should we change the main pictures in Reginald's and Rio's pages to their Barian forms? They are their true forms after all, and the other Barians have their true forms as the main pictures?Over-HundredLegendaryChaosShiningNumbers (talk • contribs) 02:12, September 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know why the other pages even do that. I'd use the human forms if it was solely up to me. For Nasch and Merag in particular, the human forms SHOULD be the main images. How long were they humans - the whole series until now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:04, September 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Gonna just jump in here, but that is probably because they are considered their true forms. I for one think they should be changed to their Barian form pictures, but I get why we would stick with their human forms. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 03:13, September 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure, but there is no need to plaster spoilers onto the top of the article like that. Also, keep in mind that whenever anyone hears "Vector", they probably do think of his Barian form. When they hear "Shark", they don't think of his Barian form. Ever. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:18, September 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, when I hear "Shark" i think of Hammer Shark. LOL. Just a note, but this wiki is RIDDLED with constant spoilers. But hey, I am just making a statement. We are used to seeing Shark as Shark, and not some alien species who kinda look like they are wearing masks all the time. XD NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 04:33, September 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I realize we spoil stuff, yes. But we don't need to got out of our way to do so. We document things, including spoilers. Putting the barian forms in the infobox is the equivalent of waving around a flag that says "stop reading the wiki if you don't like spoilers". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:36, September 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I am not saying we should "go out of our way to do so". I am just saying that since those are their true forms, we should use those pictures. Of course, this is probably more like the naming situation that we use the most common name. In this case, more well-known appearance. It just feels a little weird to not change the picture, as he is a Barian, but it also feels a little weird to do so, as he is a main character with a much more common human form. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:09, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Titles and Dub names
Noted, sorry about that -- slave (command) 02:01, September 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:04, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

anywords
Can you give your thoughts in this discussion about the ZEXAL article (Bring it 'em --- User:Avatarr) 00:32, October 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes. Give me a little bit though. I agree they should be separated. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:33, October 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * alright (Bring it 'em --- User:Avatarr) 00:34, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Bonds beyond time
I know it was confirmed to take place before crashtown, but would it hurt to add the the fact that it took place ether after 80, 82 or 84? See, Bruno was shown in the movie when Yusei thought of the people in his era, and Bruno (not Antinomy/Dark Glass) didn't show up to Yusei until 80. Zora was shown in the group of people, but her son wasn't. This (for orders sake) would show that the movie took place ether after 80, 82, or 84 but before 85. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 18:29, October 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fine with me. I don't think the Zora's son bit is needed, but the Bruno thing is a good point. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:30, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

ZEXAL Episode 81
Hey, mind taking a look at ZEXAL Episode 81? I expanded on it, but I was wondering if you could work out any kinks in it. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 21:36, October 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look then, sure. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:57, October 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fixed it up a bit. You did quite a nice job, there were just a few issues with linking and paragraph spacing (though the latter is really my personal preference rather than "the right way"). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:21, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Duel Summaries
Just wanted to ask if the Duel Summaries that i am writing are ok or not. Even though i learned English as a First Language, i am still not that good when it comes to written stuffs (hence the reason why i copy paste some of the parts from previous episodes Duel Summaries in regards to describing card effects which have been used before). The reason i ask this is so that i can improve more in regards to writing the summaries. As of now, i think my summaries can be said to be of the rough draft quality.--Supratim1986 (talk • contribs) 20:00, October 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * There's nothing wrong with the summaries you write and I appreciate your doing so. I do usually look them over and fix some things when I get the chance to, but most of it stylistic stuff to conform it to the other pages. The only thing I can say is that sometimes you tend to directly copy a card effect from a card page without rewording it at all. Doing that ends up creating tense issues and such, but its still readable and and certainly much better than nothing being there at all. :) Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:01, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

"tilted > white squares in both corners"
Really? You would rather have an image whose text is difficult to read than one with white triangles in the corners? The current image has black triangles in those same corners due to being tilted (and I could easily recolor them black if you would rather that, but I'm pretty sure the color is irrelevant). The cut-off corners are there in the original image, but rotating it makes the text easier to read, since you don't have to tilt your head and the image will scale larger since the excess space has been removed. Rotated with white corners is far closer to the standard card images than tilted with corners off the edges of the image. -- Snorlax Monster  07:16, October 15, 2013 (UTC)