Forum:Goblindbergh vs veiler

Hi, I'm pretty sure veiler can negate goblindbergh eff. But my opponent says it can't. He also says veiler can't negate monarchs eff. He says i'm playing with old rules. Who's right. Are there links for proofs (he wants some). thanks Labukane (talk • contribs) 13:39, December 30, 2012 (UTC)