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Archetype name
According to the Japanese Kana(ナンバーズ), it should be 'Numbers'. However, 'No.' is the acronym of 'Number'. So, which one?Furuzuki (talk • contribs) 15:42, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

The archetype itself are Numbers, while each individual monster is a number, which explains why nobody uses "No." to describe them as a whole, and instead uses the full word...Or I could just be blowing smoke rings, but that's what it seems like to me. In the show, they refecence "Numbers" like it's some type of entity. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.A Wikia contirutor (talk • contribs) 15:59, May 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Try thinking "Tech Genus" in Japan, they changed into T.G. in America. Do same with this archetype. As well as poor Red-Eyes B. Dragon, the only 1 of trio had his name reduced to B. instead of full Black. (Other being Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes WHITE Dragon) Same thing with comic, they put "No. craps" at corner of the pretty picture. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:01, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

So, if we want to address a single monster from this archetype, should we call them 'Number' or 'Numbers' or 'No.'?Furuzuki (talk • contribs) 16:23, May 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Various would suit you well. I called "T.G." Tech Genus sometimes, ever through they were abbr. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:29, May 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, do the Jp say "Elemental Hero" or "E-Hero" as it's E-Hero on the cards, no?, so "It's a Number" or "It's one of the Numbers" looks to work,- Resk™ (Talk) 13:26, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

It's either way, really.--Jaden96 (talk • contribs) 15:09, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a very good point. The cards say "E-Hero" and "No.", but characters in the anime clearly pronounce the names as "Elemental Hero" and "Numbers". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:03, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Volcasaurus
What is the meaning Volcasaurus ?

Utopia or No. 39 Aspiring Emperor Hope

Do you that Volcasaurus his rio. Guide, please ?

Number appearance
As I was watching 7 and 8, I had a thought about the Numbers; what if they change appearance based on their first user? For instance, Hope can represent Yuma's aspirations and hope of becoming a great duelist one day, giving him the form of a great hero. Revise Dragon can represent Shark's evil nature (his vice of stealing peoples' decks). Tera Byte can represent Ukyo's technological aspects in his plan and how it looks sort of like a bug, working with his Bugman deck (and being the perfect compliment to Super Bugman). Galaxy Queen took on the form of Fuya's mother, its possession of him similar to how his mother controls his life. Just my thoughts, what do you guys think? --DARK 02:31, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Possible, but let's not call anything yet, since Zexal's just started and we dunno if every-single-Number will involve its user's backstory. (If it's right, it says that Kaito has two Numbers, but believes the archetype as pure evil and hunts them down) MarxMayhem (talk • contribs) 03:40, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Didn't mean just add it in, but if the pattern continues, maybe we should. But either way, Tenjou wouldn't be a good example, since he probably takes the Numbers from people who have them (can't assume though, haven't been able to read the manga, which is where he's appeared so far). --DARK 03:55, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Volcasaurus and Unknown member  Number Location  Original Owner  Rank  Attribute  Type  ATK  DEF ? by 188.236.181.196 (talk • contribs) 11:20, May 17, 2011

Original Owner
Yuma Tsukumo does not have number. announced yuma tsukumo has number  39 original owner ?

Serial
Serial yu gi zeal does not appear he has number 39 left shoulder plate

???
Astral cannot own his own number, because he's searching for them, and Yuma got Utopia, because he's connected with Astral, if he wan'nt connected to him, he for sure have got it later. (Excuse me if i wrote wrong, I'm not from US).

Kaito Tenjo won those numbers (White Knight Eliminator and Ant Soil Brili-ant) from someone else, that means he's not their original owner.


 * There is no evidence that someome possessed them before him. That's why don't remove him. --178.223.172.235 (talk) 11:09, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

There is. In spoilers for Chapter 7, he is dueling against someone, who apparently is the original owner of Ant. I suggest to change Original Owner into Owners or Known Owners, and list everyone who had said card. Kuribohfan


 * Oh, crap. Only one needs to be listed. That column should list who Yuma and Astral obtained the card from. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:19, June 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Than there is a need to change "Original Owner", since it will be misleading. Kuribohfan

That image of numbers
...Am I the only one who thinks that image looks awesome? Though I wonder what an entire font of that would look like(provided, it existed) ---Tenga 23:08, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Source for Dix?
It was added by an unregistered user who never gave a source. Golden Key (talk • contribs) 21:05, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Sealed form
Why don't we upload images for the Sealed Forms instead of attempting to describe them? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:24, July 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. It's stretching the table too much, but I do think we they need some mention in the article. Maybe a subsection detailing them and a gallery at the bottom, like the ones at Critias. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 09:11, July 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking of something like this:


 * Similar to Mark_of_the_Dragon. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:10, July 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 09:09, July 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello. I am YRPOtaku169. I am the one who originally put up the Sealed Forms category. I apologize for creating the lengthy descriptions, but I think your idea to simply use the image is so much better.

Trivia
"Xyz Monsters are said to come from an another dimension just like Astral, this probably explains why "Numbers" are Xyz Monster. Xyz Monsters are also said to be made of anti-matter, this probably hints the "Number's" future role in destroying all universes as Kaito Tenjo claims."

Is this mentioned in the anime or confirmed by some reliable source? --178.223.177.81 (talk) 14:16, July 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * According to Konami, all Xyz Monsters are made of antimatter, so this would extend to the Numbers. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:26, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Real number of Numbers
It seems there are 100 not 99, accroding to Kaito Tenjo from chapter 7 and episode 13. --Aged Goblin (talk • contribs) 21:54, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm thinking it was a misunderstanding. There are 100, but Astral says 99 because he has 1 already, Hope. That makes the remaining amount of his scattered memories becomes 99. Order (talk • contribs) 10:07, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea, "Number 39: Utopia" is what Astral still holding till he met Yuma. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  10:19, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, this may be weird, but i'm guessing that there's 101 "Numbers". After he took Number 17: Leviathan Dragon, he said he had to collect 99 "Numbers" to recover his memories, right? what if Leviathan Dragon didn't count as part of 99 since he just got it. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 01:06, August 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good catch. It may be. However, Kaito claims there 100 of them. He surely got this information from Dr. Faker and Mr. Heartland. And there is "CNo. 39", which seems to be an extra Number since Astral didn't get any new memory nor the memory of "No. 39" was extended. --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 01:13, August 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I dont think CNos are part of the 100 Nos, like Majestic, Cosmic and Asaultmodes arent part of the Signer Dragons. And i believe there are 100 Nos and Astral said 99 despite having 2, because he had Utopia at the beginning. So he had to aquire a total of 99 numbers that were scattered over the city. utopia was never scattered, thats why it isnt counted towards the 99 "Lost" Numbers. By the way, what do you think, will there be a No 100 or a No 00? I think it will be 00 because that would make all numbers two digit. we never saw a number below 10 so we dont know yet if they will be 01-09 or 1-9. If they are really one digit it might be possible that they have a special role. --SG-27 (talk • contribs) 08:47, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, for some reason, both Astral (from episode 22) and Dr. Faker (from episode 31) said that there are 99 numbers all together. 70.79.73.202 (talk) 03:39, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Mistake Corrections
"As seen in episodes 10 and 13, a person possessed by a Number easily becomes addicted to their power and desires to obtain more Numbers." is wrong, it should be "As seen in episode 11... In episode 11 Rikuo and Kaio wanted to take Yuma's Numbers, and in episode 10 no new Numbers were shown.


 * Corrected. --Aged Goblin (talk • contribs) 15:42, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Based on episode 13 and 14, Dr. Faker appears to be the one that claims that Numbers will destroy all the universes, not Kaito, Kaito appears to hunt the Numbers only to heal Haruto. Also Dr. Faker might be lying to Kaito about the Numbers being the solution to heal Haruto.

Influence on holders
We've seen that the Numbers' powers kind of drive their owners mad and make them do things they wouldn't normally, and have them search for more Numbers. As it drives them mad, and Jin has at least 3 Numbers expected, the most of all people who are not immune to them, could it be it drives them completely nuts? Maybe a mention in the article.


 * Jin described the Numbers as (if i remember correctly) "Wicked beast that consume their holder's hearts and take away their souls". That should be added in the abilities or story section.

Other
Utopia Ray shoud be noted in trivia or be included in different location!!! Also I suggest to not upload number monsters that aren;t yed appeared in the anime... I will wait for a reply Omojuze*


 * How Hope Ray fits in here isn't yet known. Numbers aren't an archetype, despite how we classify them. They have no support cards, so including Hope Ray won't be a problem. And any confirmed Numbers should be listed. Monsters confirmed for release in the OCG or that appear in the manga should not be excluded. This page is for all info pertaining to Numbers, not just in-universe anime info. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:38, August 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't we at least change the page to say that there are 101 Numbers now or that there are two 39s or something along those lines? --Blackstone Dresden (talk • contribs) 19:45, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

utopia ray is a chaos number, not a regular number. CNO 39 should be listed differently from regular NOs like Signer dragons and majestic/Assault/Cosmic Forms. Something like this: Numbers: No. 17 Revise Dragon No. 39 Utopia Chaos Numbers: No. 39 Utopia Ray

And the page shouldnt say, there are 101 Numbers, since Numbers and Chaosnumbers share a number and the CNO is a evolved Form of regular number. As with the signer dragons page: There are only 6 Signer dragons not 13. --SG-27 (talk • contribs) 06:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Xyz Energy
Why isn't Xyz Energy part of the Numbers? The image has Utopia on it and so does Utopian Aura. Leviathan Dragon is on Xyz Veil and that's part of the archetype. so why isn't the Spell Xyz Energy part of the archetype?


 * I don't think its picture has anything to do with "Numbers" not sure. May by "Dinoguy1000", "Fredcat100", "..." knows.-- 22:02, August 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * It appears to have "Archrelate1" with Number included, but just glitch to not show up in the navibox... D-Neos or his machine technology buddies would know what to do. As I had some discuss with him about box issues in the past. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:04, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

True, but with a one-time combo of xyz veil and xyz energy that i just thought up of (depending on the xyz material) would make a number lesser or more indestructible.

Jin's Numbers
It's noted that Jin possesses a 3rd "Unknown" number. However during his duel with Yuma only Big Eye was absorbed by Astral. Could that 2nd number (later taken by Kaito) actually be Shock Ruler? Fuel Synchron (talk • contribs) 20:53, September 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * You may say that, but we have no source that it's Shock Ruler. And you misspell third, it's 3-rd, not thind. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:00, September 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * When Astral takes the Numbers from Jin, you can see two cards fly towards him if you look closely. I initially assumed that Kaito did get Shock Ruler until someone else pointed that out to me. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:20, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * It might be acid golem too... is it confirm to be kaito's or is it the one kaito take from jin? -Lpoi (talk • contribs) 11:24, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Chaos Number 39
Organize the problem of two 39s some how? It's not right. Separate section for alternate Numbers Monsters or C39 or something?

Original & Current Owners
Ok, so exactly HOW do we know that a character is NOT the Original Owner of a Number card?? Example is Illumiknight for Kaito. How do we know that Kaito is NOT the original owner of Illumiknight? Is a duel shown when Kaito was hunting for Illumiknight? I think not. Did Konami or V Jump reveal anything bout the Original owners? Cause i think those are just Speculations 33royward (talk • contribs) 12:32, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Kaito is a Numbers Hunter. He takes Numbers from other people. He did not have any Numbers of his own to begin with. He steals them and the souls of the Duelists after beating them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:34, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * How do u know that he didnot have a Number to begin with? Even other Numbers Hunter have an original Number to start like Jin for Big Eye and Yuma for Utopia. Maybe Illumiknight or Ant or maybe Acid Golem is the Original Number of Kaito. 33royward (talk • contribs) 12:41, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because it contradicts his backstory. He hates the Numbers because he believes they cause his brother's illness. He uses them as tools to help him defeat more of them. Him having one to begin with makes no logical sense at all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:26, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Even though it makes no logical sense, it was NOT revealed in the anime. Those kind of things need to be confirmed in the anime. There was no other person that shows possession of illumiknight, Ant (theres a difference in the manga) and Acid Golem therefore making the "Original Owner" of these cards is Kaito. We can change Kaito as the original owner IF there will be a backstory when Kaito is hunting for Illumiknight etc. 33royward (talk • contribs) 08:04, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * True. However, we don't know if Kaito was the original owner OR if there was another owner. Therefore, we should be using "Unknown". That accurately encompasses both possibilities. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:44, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Role of the Key and Tetsuo's shrugging off 39's influence
When fighting Black Mist, Tetsuo summons Utopia/Hope and shrugs off it's effect on him. The page says its possible to avoid it temporarily, but both he and Shark, when using Utopia and Acid Golem, had the Emperor's Key with them at the time, so shouldn't the Key get a mention as it seems to be a tool to help Astral and his current partner to collect the number without trouble?
 * The Emperor's Key might have other abilities other than immunity. We don't even know what "Zexal" mean. 5ds= 5 dragons, GX= gerneration next, etc.--Wasn't 20:44, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * And only Yuma was not being possessing - Astral did. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:47, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

owners in table
Does anyone know how to get "Owner(s)" in a single category with a "Previous" and "Current" as subcategories, side by side while underneath "Owner(s)"? i just want to do this, so it's less crowded. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 06:20, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

maybe something like this?

33royward (talk • contribs) 06:44, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * That could work, but let's separate them by putting them in different box. like top box is for previous owners and the bottom box is for the current owner(s). LastMinute (talk • contribs) 07:50, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

hmmm, i think you should ask someone who is good with these tables cause i dont really get these kind of things xD 33royward (talk • contribs) 11:07, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's the 1st suggestion.
 * The 2nd suggestion of top/bottom box for Owners on each one gets really complicated. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:06, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Proof for Number 44
Has, whoever put up the name for Number 44 Phoenix Knight, presented proof?

F.E.A.R. (talk • contribs) 22:34, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

The original Number
I've just watched the subbed episode 22. I know it may sound odd, but according to Dr. Faker, Astral is the original Number. --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 20:22, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Number 7: Lucky Stripe
Lately, there's been proof for the newest addition to the "Numbers", "Lucky Stripe". Can someone please add it to the list of "Numbers"? Thanks! --''' Yes, it's PSYCHID! He talks! He does stuff!''' 18:48, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

New Number
image from the latest manga chapter

http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111019/15/5587492820111019152025088.jpg

it's No. 50 Black Corn, but no other info known yet aside from its name.

Number 15
Should its only owner be IV since he uses a puppet deck? we should delete the unknown in "previous" section. 24.83.215.20 (talk) 03:45, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Manga Numbers

 * A new manga Number has just recently been revealed. It's Number 91. Don't know the name, though, but people assume it's a Sea-Serpent Type. It was recently shown in neoarkcradle in Zexal Rank 13.

Manga Numbers Row Background
Manga rows on the graph should be color-coded. Give Manga Number Monsters a color through their row, while the Anime Number Monsters rows remain white.

Owners
In the current page, we can see the list of owners as "Previous" and "Current". Aren't the Numbers blank cards that model themselves based on their owner's deck? In my opinion the list should as well say the Numbers' respective original owners, from who they got that form. Example, Syuta for Number 25. Sure, just listing the confirmed original owners (or if it strongly suggests they are but it's not confirmed, a note of "uncertain" or something like that could be added). Just suggesting because I think interesting to know the original Number holders. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:48, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Character Versions
For now, we have pages for a character version of 2 Numbers: Utopia and Black Mist. But if all Numbers have a personality and stuff, so shouldn't all them have a character page? Well, maybe it is unnecessary to make an article about a character version of a card that appeared half an episode, but I don't know, just to see other opinions. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) January 2nd, 2012, 13:16 (UTC)


 * In some cases, yes. I think Galaxy Queen needs an article, for example. On the other hand, something like Focus Force doesn't - it really didn't have any characterization, it was just another Number. A lot of them would be very short articles, just detailing what the did to the mind of the character they possessed - which is easily dealt with in that character's biography. So in most cases, no, I don't think they all need articles. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:59, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks like we think the same. I was thinking in creating an article to Galaxy Queen, when I decided to ask this first. So, I'm going to create articles for some Numbers who showed more characterization, like her. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) January 2nd, 2012, 23:21 (UTC)


 * Not all of them required an article at once. Just wait till they were giving more personality details then you can do so. If you think Number 83: Galaxy Queen is more suit to speaking, then please try again because it's only time she had spoken and not begged Yuma from trying to kill her in the battle. It was Yuma's choice to leaving Galaxy Queen alone and net some damage on that card's former owner without destroy her directly or at least attack on her. Only Utopia and that madness Black Mist have show more characteristic than rest of other numbers. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:49, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, but didn't it seem that Galaxy Queen had a greater degree of control of Fuya than a usual Number? Didn't she legitimately cause him to believe she was his mother? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:29, January 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * She did make him believe that (she talked to him), and he willingly obeyed her orders. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:41, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, Galaxy Queen did show a lot more sentience than others, but it didn't really give us a whole lot to go with, unlike 96. All that can be said is that she controlled Fuya, transformed when changed battle positions (which is on her trivia page last I checked), and that she gave her power to 96. I'll have to say no, there just isn't enough and most of it can be simply put in the card's trivia page. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 21:22, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

More Info on the tab.
Would adding a "number of Overlay Units/Xyz Material required to summon" make the tab too stuffy?

Cause there is no overall difference between Rank 4 Utopia that uses 2 monsters, and Rank 4 Thunder-Spark that uses 5 monsters, well except gameplay / difficulty of summoning... Is such info needed or it's useless. ^^?

Fuel Synchron (talk • contribs) 13:50, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Real Number again...
Um, I'm sorta confused that there's 100 numbers when both Astral and Dr. Faker said there are only 99 numbers, even after collecting a whole bunch of them. Kaito says 100, not sure where he got that. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 23:32, February 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Astral said there are other 99 Numbers, since he held "Number 39: Utopia" at that time. And Dr. Faker think there are physical 99 Number Cards while Astral is the 100th. Kaito think it don't matter and decided that there are 100 Numbers exist. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:22, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

well actually we can expect number 0 because even if the 0 doesn't count anything is also a number so there are 100 numbers if we count number 0--Yugx5dszexal (talk • contribs) 10:51, April 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Non-sense, only from 1 to 100, not from 0 to 99. So don't bother bring that question up again. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  11:01, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Numbers original?
what is the meaning of this word? yuma has the numbers original?Jaden232

That refers to Astral (people like Gauche have stated he was the Original Number). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 19:57, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, people like Dr Faker and those associated with him, as well as Tron Family. -- The Goblin   Talk   19:04, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Explaination, please!
I'd like to know why the cards related to the Numbers have been taken out of the box.


 * Because they're not. Multiple people agreed at Forum:Archetype definition (again) that appearing in a card's artwork does not make it related to an archetype. We've only recently gotten around to modifying pages to comply with that new consensus, since the discussion had other, more important things to fix first. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:57, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

message
Somebody is messing up with Number archtype? "188.236.5.81" did it's latest edit.--Wasn't 00:12, April 16, 2012 (UTC)