Forum:Yugioh Wiki tier-list?

aaron riyalgo (talk • contribs) 21:15, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

I thought it would be interesting for this site to have its own tier list. What decks do you think are competitive and what decks do you think are terrible. Stuff like Monarchs, GBs, Lightsworns and TeleDAD decks would be top. The main idea of a tier list is to help players decide which decks are competitive and which decks are not.

Discuss -RoGE

tires don exits

Joking aside, it's a little interesting, but I find it hard to actually determine the tiers. The only way we can determine this (to the best of my knowledge) is through the tournament standings, but looking at whatever's running through the tournaments there's only a few decktypes around and that's it. --Gadjiltron 12:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Tier 1:

Teleport Dark Armed Dragon Deck

Lightsworns

Gladiator Beast Deck

Zombie Deck

To some extent: Monarch Control Deck

Tier 1.5 or below:

Every other deck type (as far as I know.)

82.21.58.198 17:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

^ I think those top 4 are pretty accurate. -RoGE

ZombieDaD overrules TeleDaD now. Just thought i throw that out there.

...Now they are making Zombie DAD decks now? Dang, should have thought of that, so would ZombieDAD be top tier?

Yeah because of plaguespreader zombie. You use Armageddon knight to send him to the grave then special summon him sending a card to the top of your deck (if you have card of safe return on the field then you can draw that card back) Then synchro with him, then get him back with Burial from a Different Dimension special summon again and carry on from there. It's much more effective with 2 plaguespreaders of course.

Well now..
Can't believe people never really thought of running DAD in Zombies until now, now zombies will destroy the competition unless the banlist hits them as hard as GBs. Cloak007 21:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't understand your comment; Glads were never harmed by the ban list. Or are you saying Glads are powerful? Blue-Eyes White Boy 22:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Tiers and Stuff...
Well, this is what the tiers are like now:


 * Tier 1

1. TeleDAD and variants (i.e. ZombieDAD)

2. Lightsworns and variants (i.e. PlagueSworn)

3. Synchro-Zombies

4. Gladiator Beasts

5. Synchro Cat

6. Blackwings


 * Tier 2

1. Anti-Meta Gadgets

2. Anti-Meta Macro (popular in Japan)

3. Little City (LIGHT-Type)

4. Monarchs (used in locals mostly)


 * Tier 3

1. Plants (in my opinion)

2. Counter-Fairies

Ok, just to let you know, this is my opinion and I may have forgot to post a deck type. No offense to anyone. Blue-Eyes White Boy 22:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * DAD is DEAD, as far as I can tell. GBs are not really dying. Before the banlist the top tier was:


 * 1) Synchro Cat
 * 2) Lightsworns
 * 3) Blackwings
 * 4) Gladiator Beasts

Of course, with the new September banlist we can't be sure. Runer5h 14:54, September 5, 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

Synchro Cat got hit pretty hard. No Dark Strike Fighter, 1 Summoner Monk, 1 Cat. I was the only person at my locals who ran it, and no one else got hit nearly as bad as I did. T_T 68.54.219.226 22:56, September 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes it did, but don't think for a moment that it's not coming back. I've played against a Plant Cat deck that stomped me pretty badly, and with the X-Saber support in ANPR I think the deck will become simply more X-Saber oriented. Runer5h 23:22, September 6, 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

To my experimenting and research

Tier one 1. Lightsworn 2. Twilight [Zombie/lightsworn] 3. Ancient Forest Glad 4. Vayu Turbo 5. Anti-Meta (Gadgets/Macro Monarch)

Tier two 1. ZombieDaD 2. Synchro Cat 3. Morphtronic OTK 4. TeleDaD (With D draw engine) 5. X-saber

97.96.179.61 02:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

My tier list for cards up to The Shining Darkness
Top Five 1.Koa'ki Meiru 2.Gladiator Beasts 3.Lightsworns 4.Synchro Cat 5.Blackwings

My reason for KM at the top...well, just look at their cards!

I play Koa'ki Meirus too, but they are definitely not top tier... At least not yet --Issuxark 04:00, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

For the record...
This is the DECK HELP forum. Wrong place for a discussion such as this. Runer5h 20:10, April 23, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h


 * Fixed. --Blue (Talk) 20:17, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

My very own tier list
1. infernities 2. x-sabers 3. blackwings 4. twilight and 5. vayusworn --Bwinggale 21:59, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Tier in my view

 * 1) Assault Deck (base on Stardust Dragon)
 * 2) Lightsworn
 * 3) Burn Type
 * 4) Gravekeeper's
 * 5) Blue-Eyes Deck (with Honest and The White Stone of Legend included if playing right)

--FredCat100 22:07, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * That is your meta, not the metagame in general. This is more accurate:


 * 1) (Flamvell) Cat
 * 2) Blackwings/GBs
 * 3) Machina/LS
 * 4) Monarchs/Zombies
 * The only thing that is certain is that Cat decks are the top. In the hands of a pro, it is hard to beat. 02:32, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, kiss my butt, Blue-Eyes Kids... --FredCat100 02:33, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I will have to charge you for my butt-kisses, but you could kiss mine for free. It is Blue-Eyes White Kid, by the way. 02:58, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * No flaming. FredCat, I'm sorry but Stardust/Assault isn't top-tier right now. They're good, but not quite good enough. Blue-Eyes are down so far that they can effectively be ignored... Burn decks too, as the current meta is actually quite a bit too fast. Gravekeepers often can't do the things they need to do - lockdown and beatdown - well enough - I'd know, I've used them. Runer5h 03:01, April 24, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
 * Correct! 03:04, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with bewk, the cat won't die that easily since there will be more variants or it. E.g. Flamvell Cat. --Hide Head Turtle 07:48, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Chain burn not that bad
Its not amazing but its better then most non meta decks. Can effectivally elimate you in 2-3 turns if built correctly. Can be stalled pretty easily if you can break the chain with a well played jammer or counter. Steelfallenangel 06:31, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Update from last topic
caline, you all go chier , olivier and vincent and marianne and flora and joel , and dominic et martin , and zoboumafou and all of them chier all the time , CHIER TO ALL


 * Tier 1:
 * Infernity (Infernity Gun and Barrier = Broken... x2)
 * Blackwing (New support, barely touched by banlist, even an Allure replacement)
 * Gladiator Beasts (Untouched by this banlist, everything else is slowed down in this format) (Corridor of Suffering does not stop Gyzarus. Spam Gyzarus with Gladiator Proving Ground-->Bestiari and you should be fine)


 * Tier 2 (First few in this list are bordering Tier 1):
 * Cat Synchro (Super Nimble Mega Hamster, Flamvell Cat variants)
 * X-Saber (With Saber Hole and other new support)
 * Lightlord (Despite Lumina, Charge, Foolish Burial and Necro Gardna at 1, Honest at 2. It can still work)
 * Plants (especially Gigavis and Quickdraw Plants, Dandy at 2)
 * Gadgets (with Fissure and Smash at 3 and/or with support from Machina, Anti-meta Gadgets, Machina Gadgets)
 * Monarchs (Dandy, Treeborn and/or Macro variants)
 * Zombies (Mezuki, Burial from the DD, Allure, Foolish Burial at 1)
 * Disaster Dragon or Hopeless Dragon (spamming Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon makes this deck fast in this slower format)


 * Falzar FZ 13:24, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

...........i agree mostly ive dueled some infernity decks and it wasnt that hard when they brought out trishula but eh Raiga 21:21, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

I think that you can drop Lightlords from tier 2. I understand what you mean by "it can still work" but its consistency is somewhat equivalent to the Teleport Dark Armed decks. By the way, this wiki does have a Machina Gadget page.--Hide Head Turtle 06:33, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * yea, I'll update my version of the list soon. First I'll consider whether or not to make QD Dandywarrior a seperate type and in tier 1, but then again, now that people are aware of the deck, they will side against it, and also Infernities are released. So it may be tier 2 anyway. Falzar FZ 06:47, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently now machina is teir 1.5 and blackwing are tier 2

New tier list
 Tier one (in no particular order): 
 * Infernity
 * X-Saber
 * GBs
 * Gadget and variants

 Tier two or 1.5 (in no particular order): 
 * Quickdraw
 * Frogs (FTK and Monarch variants)
 * Cat and variants

 Tier three or 2.5 (in no particular order): 
 * Blackwings
 * Lightsworn and variants
 * Zombies and variants
 * Dragons

Based partially on the recent YCS, this is my vision of the tier list. 17:57, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that seems to be pretty much it. Except maybe I'd have put Blackwings farther down - in the whole top 32, BW was only represented ONCE (not counting the fact that someone else put Gale in their deck). Runer5h 18:49, May 22, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
 * I can understand that. 20:31, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Blackwings are higher than Tier three, just look at the OCG, it seems like there's always a Blackwing deck in top 4 of their tournaments. In fact, most of the time, it's either a Blackwing or Infernity deck which comes 1st. X-Sabers and Gladiator Beasts rarely come in the top 3. My source:http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/6317744/ Hebi No David 23:22, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

really? frogs can beat blackwings? what is this metagame coming to?--Bwinggale 23:29, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yup. There was one Frog Monarch deck in the top 8 (which main-decked a copy of Arcana Force XIV - Temperance of all things - :0) and a Quickdraw Frog Monarch deck in the top 32. Runer5h 23:46, May 22, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
 * You have to admit it's kind of funny though xD Hebi No David 23:50, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Children's Card Games FTW! Don't ask why I posted it. Fallensilence 00:20, June 16, 2010 (UTC)Fallensilence

The reason why X-sabers are not popular (in Japan) because they don't have many choices and all the best card are TCG exclusives.Also, Crow may look great in their opinion.-Pacey291

X-Sabers confuses me with their strategy. Then I found out why. Fallensilence 21:03, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Glads are not tier one 1.5 or 2 and BF is definately not 3 i can see Xsabers at 1 and definately infernity.

from a guy who goes 3-0 and has the shining darkness mat
my personal opinion would be... tier 1. 1.infernity 2.X-Saber 3.Gladiator beasts (dying, but i play them anyways.) 4.Blackwing tier 2.(no order) 1.lightsworn 2.DAD(all kinds) 3.chaos decks 4.Machina gaget 5.plant 6.dandywarrior

Also some where in there i want to put herald of perfection faries, my friend played them but he doesnt like them so hes not playing them anymore, i only played them once and won(first time beating him, he is really good so when i won i was happy but i thought i was going to loose next one so we split packs) so only saw them in action once so i couldnt rate them. This is a personal opinion just based on what ive played. reasons why are infernitys are broke, too broke. X-Saber has fast summoning and easy summoning making for synchro summons faster. Gladiator beasts are self explanitory. Blackwing has swarm capability and that also makes for fast synchro and has DAD capability. the others are easy to figure out, but lightsworns got pegged down so hard and dandywarrior is hard to get over when the monster is gone on your turn, most time, chaos isnt so bad, only if your playing with banned stuff, envoy of the end and beggining. This was just a personal oppinion.

yea i agree wit ya but watch out cuz even if u say "personal oppinion" there are some Dbags here that just wanna start shit like BEWK and are gonna say all kins of shit about you even though your completely innocent in my oppinion i think blackwings are gona be a bit higher on the list since the ban list is gonna completely rape infernitys and frogs maybe xsabers but i dono konamis weird like that Raiga (talk • contribs) 01:05, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

And you say that we're the ones that want to start arguments...--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 01:58, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

No, I think Raiga's talking about that one forum page that I started, "Those Damn Glads", or maybe something before that, that him and BEWK got into a fight. DON'T START ANYTHING PEOPLE! THIS IS A YUGIOH WIKIA PLACE OF PEACE! Anyways, what do people mean by a wikia tier list? Are some people saying that all of us yugiohwikia members should have a tournament on YVD, or other resources? --Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 02:12, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

The top tier decks haven't changed for a while although, though new decks have emerged like Dandydraw, Infernity, x-sabers, machina gadget. then there decks like Lightsworn, Blackwings, Monarchs, GB that have been meta forever. I don't play tournaments, but i keep up with all the new decks that are out there. Automation44 (talk • contribs) 05:55, July 22, 2010 (UTC)Automation44


 * Lightsworn is no longer meta, as best as I can tell. It got hit hard by the banlist. Runer5h (talk • contribs) 02:44, July 23, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

Just throwing it out there but infernity is probably gonna be hit hard as well as they are easily dismissed with conc. light and seal of forbidden spell... so tier 1 they've been eleminated. the only reason why they were there to begin with was because not many people knew how to deal with them. Now that they've been abused people are realizing oh they have a weak spot, their launchers and effectsMinion332 (talk • contribs) 14:36, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Tier 1: Infernity X-Saber Blackwing (they're still going) Frognarchs and FTK (they are actually really awesome and cheap)

Tier 1.5: Quickdraw GBeasts (too much anti GB cards) Machina Gadgets Phsychic (after the release of the duelist revolution, check Ultimate Psychicker (could even be tier 1)

Tier 2: Zombies Lightsworn Disaster or Hopeless Dragon

My tiers
Tier 1: X-sabers, Infernity, From Monarch, Frog Ftk,

Tier 1.5: Lightsworn, Machina Gadgets, Blackwing, Quickdraw, Gadgets, Gladiator Beast

Tier 2: Zombie, Absolute Zero (maybe) --Airbellum (talk • contribs) 06:45, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking:

Tier 1.
 * Sabers
 * Infernity OTK
 * Frog FTK
 * Herald Decks

Tier 1.5
 * LS
 * Machina Gadgets/Machina Gears
 * Blackwings
 * Quckdraw variations
 * Anti-Meta
 * Gadget Oppression
 * GBs
 * Plants

Tier 2
 * Disaster Dragon
 * Chimeratech OTK
 * Batteryman OTK
 * Absolute Zero
 * Tele-DAD
 * Zombie/Necroface Control
 * Chaos

From my experience. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 17:35, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Drew - gi - oh

this chap here knows what he is talking about so you all pay attention.

yes tele DAD is tier 2 now as you can only run one DAD, cant believe the amount of people who think this is tier one.

people, do what drew-gi-oh has done and do some research before writing up tier lists...someone said ko'aki meiru????? seriously? you havent played x sabers then have you? trust me when mr gottoms makes you discard your hand then they special summon like 30 cards onto the field....thats when you are facing top tier. the only decent card ko'aki meiru have is core blast. and against x sabers, you would be dead before it resolved in your turn. same goes for every deck on drew-gi-oh's list, they would trash ko'aki meiru if it is a tournament build. so people, just at least do a google search before just spouting random gibberish online... some Kid may just ask his mum for the greatest YGO deck ever...his Ko'aki Meiru to then be thoroughly disappointed....

awesome list Drew-Gi-oh, spot on Volcanicstriker (talk • contribs) 04:56, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Can't wait to see what happens this time, plants and Cyber OTK will definetly move up on the list. And Infernity will probaly drop way down, maybe tier 1.5 or 2. Sabers will stay, they won't be king anymore, but they'll stay. Frog FTK will be replaced with Frog Monarch, I'm pretty sure, and Blackwings will move down. I think Scraps or Naturias will take tier 1. I'd laugh very hard if I am right.

--Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 06:07, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

I'm suprised no one has Six Sams on the list, as they have reclaimed some of the lost pace/power they suffered back in their hayday, with Hand, Gateway and general warrior support cards I would say they are tier 1.5. My Six Sams do very well against most deck people have listed, however i'm lucky in the fact i havent faced X-Sabers yet.

Doz Bate: Stay (sic)!! 11:59, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Tier List...
Here's my opinion of the top decks

Tier 1: Tier 1.5:
 * X-Sabers
 * Machina Gadget
 * Gladiator Beast
 * Frog Monarch
 * SalvoDAD- You can be suprised at what they can do this format
 * Plant and variants
 * Quickdraw Dandywarrior
 * Infernity
 * Blackwings
 * Watt
 * Scrap- Just until the new support comes out
 * Naturia- Same as Scrap
 * Anti-Meta Chaos Deck- 2 Chaos Sorcerer!!! OMG

It's in no particular order just so that we're on the same page. Feel free to mention anything I may have missed, that's all i could think of this morning.

Kageakumo 12:16, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Plant's above infernities and Blackwings? Glad beasts in tier one? Im curious for your reasoning. I run a really good plant deck and t juts cant compete with the destruction of blackwings and the synchro power of infernities. My friend also runs a tournament level Glad beast deck and it struggles as Bestiari is limited, he is their major trap removal system and is used in some of the fusions too, simply holding onto that bottomless for him to come out can ruin this deck completely, or a DD crow when it inevitably dies seeing as it has just 1500 attack.

I am not saying you are wrong but I'd like to know why you think like this Volcanicstriker (talk • contribs) 09:57, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well Volcanicstriker, the list is based off of the decks i see @ my local card shop. And the way I see it GBs are definently over Infernities at the moment. In the hands of a skilled player, they are insane, but even then i have my doubts as only 2 people are now playing the deck, they are just so less dangerous without Infernity Launcher. I'm not saying all plant variants are better, but the unlimiting of Black Rose Dragon really makes that deck more potent. And as for those pesky backrows, we still have Trap Stun and Cold Wave. --Kageakumo 13:25, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good GB players will bait out BTH with Cyber Dragon or Laquari or chain Trap Stun, Book of Moon, or Compulsory Evacuation Device to the activation of a Bottomless Trap Hole on a Bestiari. It is really easy to dodge BTH and Dimensional Prison when using Gladiator Beasts.
 * But the greatest flaw in most Gladiator Beasts duelists' strategies is that they over rely on Bestiari and Gyzarus. They are great weapons, but are not needed to win. 16:13, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * My tier list:

Tier 1:
 * X-Sabers
 * Gladiator Beasts
 * Herald

Tier 2:
 * Quickdraw
 * Infernity
 * Machina
 * Frog Monarch
 * Scraps (with new support)
 * Blackwings
 * Burn
 * GBs will be big because of the slow format, and because of the other decks' reliance on monster effects (War Chariot food). Their popularity will keep the usage of Dandywarrior, Infernity, and Frog Monarch down, because those three decks have terrible match ups against GBs. In a way, the presence of GBs shape the Metagame around it. X-Sabers lost Rescue Cat and it's mindless shenanigans, but the power of the deck is still intact, and can pump out OTKs just like the good old days. Herald will be great, as it can lock people more consistently than ever, and has decent-to-good match ups against the other top tier decks.
 * Machinas will be good, but with three Cyber Dragons and System Down, Game 2 and 3 will be an uphill battle for them. I know that Scraps will explode once the new support is released, but I'm hesitant to put it up there. Blackwings got hit hard by the ban list, but are still that rouge It's a trap! kind of deck that will keep it competitive. Also, the new stuff from Duelist Pack Crow may help a bunch. I wish I could put Naturia up there, but three Cyber Dragons absolutely wreck the deck. 16:40, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

you seem to be of the impression that every deck runs three cyber dragons though. they dont. and if they did, Im sure you would see an increase in the number of chimeratech fortress dragons you would see in everyones extra deck.. Naturia is a strong anti meta and should be up there at least in tier 2 minimum (although in your defence, I suppose you kinda said that anyway), and a good player wouldnt be "baited out" by crap like cyber dragon and laquari (espescially seeing as he disappears after one turn) and will try everything in their power to shut down bestiari. GB players rely on him, espescially in the new format, as he is their primary source of trap removal. I would love to see a competitive GB deck that didnt run bestiari. Glads actually dontt like the slow format as much. having a heavy storm and a giant trunade helped them no end to get those attacks to hit home...thats less likely to happen now and with bestiari at one, they dont have much choice than to utilise his abilities to shut them down...lining him up to be knocked down. they will struggle more now to kick off their effects Volcanicstriker (talk • contribs) 10:55, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * In a format where a lot of decks see play, you will want to get the most out of each card in your side deck. Every Side Deck will contain at least two Cyber Dragons because of Machina, which will also be used against Naturia.
 * You may have misunderstood what I meant. I said that Bestiari/Gyzarus wasn't the only way to win a duel with Gladiator Beasts. They help, but are not needed. Secutor beatdown or Heraklinos lockdown are both very easy ways to win. I would never suggest not using Bestiari. I would never say he was the primary source of trap removal either. In this format without Heavy Storm, games will be fought with many face-down traps. It is true that Gladiator Beasts can't handle a ton of backrows, so GB decks of the new format will main deck two Trap Stuns. I've been on many other forums, and that is what everyone is doing. It will replace their Heavy Storm and Dust Tornadoes. With it, they can attack/tag-out freely without the fear of Dimensional Prison or Bottomless Trap Hole.
 * Honestly, I think know that no Heavy Storm will help Gladiator Beasts. Without it, they can set all of the traps in their hand and not worry about a thing. Summon Laquari and set four/five traps will become a new FTK of sorts. MST can't do anything about that. 17:07, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. Many Gladiator Beast decks that didn't main deck Heavy Storm were winning major tournaments last format. One of the most remarkable was Jake Mattern, who Top 8'd Shonen Jump New Jersey. 17:10, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

yeah I think I did misunderstand. I think I would really need to play glads with a few top tier decks to see what I think but I do understand your reasoning. it does make sense not to run heavy storm so you could play waboku now that Im thinking about what you said. so yeah, if anything they prob have the same trap removal and have more safety with their own traps. (on another note, that was a nicely constructed arguement, I get annoyed at some of the arguements you get hit with on these forums) side decks arent my strength, this may seem like a bit of a retard question but with fifteeen cards in your side deck, wouldnt you rather side that machine circuit card...the one that field wipes machines (for machina/gadget which are both above naturia in tier I would say) than a cyber dragon? Volcanicstriker (talk • contribs) 18:10, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are very mature. Thank you for being that way. On the Cyber Dragon question, its uses are not limited to combating Naturia and Machina decks. It is extremely powerful against Gladiator Beasts, and works against Blackwings and Infernities too. GBs and Infernities can only hope to waste spells and traps when facing that 2100 beatstick, while Cyber Dragon can kill any non-synchro BW by battle (minus that hardly used secret-rare BW). 05:20, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

lol I would hope so, Im older than a lot of the people on this :p Volcanicstriker (talk • contribs) 10:23, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

September 2010 List Tiers

 * Tier 1:
 * X-Saber
 * Gladiator Beasts
 * Blackwing
 * Machines (Scrap, SalvoDAD maybe)
 * Fairies (Perfect Herald, Counter Fairies may be tier 2 or almost there):


 * Tier 2:
 * Gadgets (Anti-meta, Machina Gadgets, etc.)
 * Plants (Debris-Hime, Quickdraw, Gigavise, Naturia)
 * Monarchs (Frognarchs are NOT dead)
 * Lightsworn (Pure LS, Twilight)
 * Infernity (They spam Mirage now)
 * Gemini City
 * Dragon (Disaster/Hopeless, Dragunity)


 * Other notes:
 * Pot of Duality needs to be hit. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:25, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

This guy is a genius, this looks pretty spot on. But what about Stun and cyber dragon decks? Hebi No David (talk • contribs) 21:59, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think a lot of the wiki tiers will be more noticeable once YVD Tournament 2 is done. Yugioh DED ( (Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 22:09, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm waiting for YCS Toronto coverage.
 * I don't see pure CyDra decks working well enough to be in the top. Salvo and Scrap Variants run 2-3 CyDra along with other stuff, which make them better.
 * I could split Anti-meta away from Gadgets, then that would also cover Stun decks. Anti-meta (as the name suggests) only top because they are designed to be good against other meta decks. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:33, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Blackwings at tier two...?

--Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 02:30, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Blackwings + Delta Crow - Anti Reverse = replacement heavy storm-- bwinggale ( talk •  contribs ) 03:35, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * They are tier two. Sabers and Infernity wreck them. 03:38, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

It's just a comment on Falzar's list. BWs at 2 and Plants at 1 is what I think it should be. Plants are going to have waaaaaaaayyyy too much fun. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 04:19, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * We shall see soon enough. I still stand by that BWs are still tier 1.
 * Oh, I forgot to mention that the list is more OCG based than TCG. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:16, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why would you make the list OCG based? That's completely pointless. Who cares what they do in Japan? And if you're going by the OCG, X-Sabers aren't tier 1.Hebi No David (talk • contribs) 22:55, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Falzar-- bwinggale ( talk •  contribs ) 19:08, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Who cares what they do in Japan? They're the reason cards get discussed about being up'd in rarity in the first place. And knowing more about Yu-Gi-Oh! the better. Why limit yourself to only having TCG knowledge? Yugioh DED ( (Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 23:43, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

OCG, with minor edits. So it's kinda like the Hybrid Format. Quickdraw is bordering tier 1. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:47, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Falzar, how are you up-to-date with the tiers (both TCG and OCG)? You have to get it from a website or something, right? Yugioh DED ( (Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 00:04, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nope, they're just estimates. Just think about it. The reason for Blackwings was mentioned by bwinggale. SalvoDAD now has 3 Cydra and 3 BRD. Heralds have 3 Decree, (not sure about counter fairies, but recently there are lots of new good counter traps, so I just put fairies as 1 group). Gemini City will definitely be in the tiers when The Shining comes out for TCG. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:08, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ohh. I get it. So wait, Infernities aren't on the tiers anymore? I heard they became a control-ish deck with 3 Barriers. Yugioh DED ( (Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 00:15, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have them as tier 2. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:37, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well. Where did the Scrap decks go? or did people not want to risk using a new archetype. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:50, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * They need the STBL cards in order to be top tier. 17:43, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well that's for TCG. Now, I'd be surprised if the aren't on tiers in OCG. Yugioh DED ( (Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 19:30, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * They seem tier 2ish in the OCG. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:24, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * X-Saber, X-Saber, Machina Gadget, Lightsworn. Then in no particular order: 2 Gladiator Beast, 1 Infernity, 1 Flamvell Dog. Then 2 Gladiator Beast, 2 X-Saber, 1 Infernity, 1 QD Dandy, 1 Twilight, 1 Light Beatdown (AKA Gemini City). Then 3 Blackwings, 1 Machina Gadget, 1 Absolute Zero and 1 Frog Monarch or something like that.
 * Comments: Blackwings should have done better, if they use Pot of Duality right. Machines (Scrap) aren't fully out yet. Fairies, well, idk, no one used them. Dragon, no one used them either, I think. The rest seem to be pretty accurate.
 * (also, minor reorder of my list. e.g X-Saber to top of tier 1 list, Gadget to top of tier 2 list, etc. They're still in the same tier though.) -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:52, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

ehhhh
the way i see it the tier list goes like this

GKs Quickdraw (dandy warrior ect.) Bwings Sabers Infernitys

with the new saber pack its pretty obvious x sabers r gonna die out next format for bwings i dont predict much change with em especcialy since there gettin more support in storm of ragnarok and the crow duelist pack quickdraws are everywere and with shooting star,glow up bulb,formula synchron,and tuning added in the arsenal i dont see em goin away anytime soon and for GKs there amazing with the lack of heavy storm and recruiter either base it on stun,beatdown,or focus on visionary i dont see em goin away untill closed forest comes along and infernities are good with the control aspect they've been given sure the otks are harder to pull out but they werent hit badly and there still sync spammers. "infernitys wreck blackwings" lol.... Raiga (talk • contribs) 22:17, December 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * What many people don't understand is the element of surprise and how strong it is. Let me prove it to you:
 * Back in the days of Phantom Darkness, where DAD Return decks were the meta, Paul Levitin won a Shonen Jump with Gladiator Beasts. Before Gyzarus. Today's equivalent would be winning a YCS with Watts.
 * In an undefined meta immediately after the April 09 lists, Jeff Jones takes the crown with some DARK Skill Drain variant. People tried to recreate it, yet it never topped again.
 * And now, a few Gravekeeper decks have appeared as the first, second, and third place winners of YCS Atlanta. What do all of these have in common? They all have the "what is this I don't even" (a.k.a. surprise) factor.
 * When a new deck appears, people are bound to screw up when dueling against it. Although Gravekeepers have been around forever, they haven't had a chance to use all of this new support. No one sided any cards against them. No one knows how to effectively deal with their tactics. And finally, who could stand a chance when half your hand gets dumped by a Royal Tribute? Over time, as decks adapt to, and side against, Gravekeepers, their numbers will lessen. They aren't the number one deck. To support my point, see Hero Beat. Won the last YCS, zero in the top 32 now. My tier list:
 * Broken Tier (they win consistently):
 * Plants
 * X-Sabers
 * Blackwings
 * Powerful Tier (they have proven their strength, but haven't consistently won):
 * Machina
 * Gravekeepers
 * Hero Beat
 * Scraps
 * Almost there Tier (they are still good, but have many bad match ups):
 * Infernity
 * Monarchs
 * Gladiator Beasts
 * Lightsworn
 * Zombies

02:46, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

yeeaaaa no if your statement was right then blackwings (which have been on the tier list for forever) would have died out. gravekeepers are gonna stay. the only reason there rising the ranks is cuz of there new support and the banning of some powerful cards that knocked them out. gravekeepers are the bane of many decks that revolve around the graveyard. to a newbie the graveyard is a place were cards are useless but to a pro the graveyard is a vault to grab cards. anyways if your statement was true then the tier list would swap around randomly every format change. decks dont die because people are familiar with the deck they die because a new more powerful deck comes along. take six sams for example there gonna dominate the meta along with scraps and dragunitys Raiga (talk • contribs) 00:50, December 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * You've misunderstood. I never said Gravekeepers would "die out", I said that "their numbers will lessen". They may be tier 1, but the first time a deck appears in the competitive scene is always it's strongest showing. This happens because people don't know how to beat the deck and haven't sided any cards against it.
 * Also, one reason Blackwings are still very strong is that they've have gotten new support. Vayu, Cards for Black Feathers, and Pot of Duality have all increased their strength. Besides, they have a ton of good match ups, and many good duelists use them. If they were just Whirlwind Wings like the days of old, they would never be where they are.
 * It may take a YCS or two, but Gravekeepers are merely a fad that will eventually slow down. 02:37, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

...dieing out and less numbers is the same thing there not gonna "lessen" at all and wings with whirlwind is what made them top and over powered there just a shadow of what they used to be and cards for black feathers is such a horrible card its too punishing and since poDs gonna be limited next format im pretty sure whirlwinds comin back Raiga (talk • contribs) 05:55, December 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dying = none. Less = fewer. Blackwings without Vayu would be dead, they would have to rely on their one Whirlwind as their combo-maker and advantage-creator. I never said that BWs with three Whirlwinds were worse than BWs of today; it is quite the opposite.
 * Black Feathers is an amazing card, and only an experienced duelist would see that. Back in the days of Twilight, draw chains of three or more cards would occur, letting players dig for those broken limited cards. Blackwings, with two Black Feathers, two Dualities, and one Allure can do so. Using PoD the turn you use Black Feathers negates the downside, allowing a player to draw into that Whirlwind or Reborn super-fast. It's not like they must special summon every turn.
 * Whirlwind is way too powerful to have at two or three. They limited RotA, so a continuous form of it is much more limit-worthy. Also, I don't see how PoD's limitation will affect it's status on the Forbidden list. 19:09, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

now trolls think there "experianced"? funnny shit bro. cards for black feathers is too damn punishing. the only reason its being used is cuz allures at one. when PoD hits the list whirlwinds gonna come back. konami loves blackwings and givin em another whilwind would balance there power. thats the only reason they stayed on the tier list for so long and there not leavin anytime soon Raiga (talk • contribs) 03:47, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't want to sound arrogant (like you) and start debating you about my experience and your experience. It is impossible to talk about stuff like that on the internet. And the definition of a troll fits you better than me, by far.
 * For the rest of your post: total crap. No offense, but really. Do BWs have to special summon every turn? Once they get out a Synchro, a Sirroco, or any monster backed by Kalut out, there is no reason to special summon. Special summoning is helpful, but the deck doesn't require you to every turn.
 * I'm not even going to respond to your comments on Black Whirlwind. They make me want to smash my laptop. 05:19, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

obvious troll is obvious ^^^^^ and yea they do there aggro? they need to beat the opponents face in u dont get a kalut every turn stop bein a passive aggresive loser bitchin about someones oppinion about a childs card game and listen to the point thats tryin to get across Raiga (talk • contribs) 02:27, December 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * There is no mechanism in BWs that force them to special summon. A Shura backed by Icarus, Book of Moon, and other traps is the reason they win. The special summoning reinforces their great field control and swarming abilities, but should not be the focus.
 * I never said they needed a Kalut every turn; it is just another way for BWs to win without special summoning. Ever wonder why they use Royal Oppression? Of course, some of their effects activate during the Damage Step, getting around Oppression, but it does stop all of their Synchro Summons. Why would they negate a key aspect of their deck? Maybe because it isn't essential? By the way, half of the BW users in the top 32 at the last YCS used Cards for Black Feathers.
 * I am not a "passive aggresive loser bitchin about someones oppinion about a childs card game", I just dislike how you act like a pro and how your opinion is always correct, while everyone else is a "loser" or a "nerd". 17:39, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

and im actin pro how? lol the reason i call you a lifeless loser is cuz ur too serious about a GAME its a childs card game if u dont like my oppinion stop bein a troll lookin for an arguement, walk out of your basement, and get a life will ya? you told me before your always doing edits on this page and plus the fact that ur always trolling me further supports the fact that you have no life your too serious about a card game that'll soon die out ina few years and god knows wat the hell you'll do with ur pathetic excuse for a life so might as well work on gettin a life then waste it with a card game and before u can make an idiotic rebuttle i type cuz theres no law saying i have to be formal i play the game for fun and i have an oppinion like everyone else dont be a nazi cuz i think exodias cheap and i hardly get on here and if u even pay attention i dont do any edits on this site or make pages and wat not i just simply check this page out for rulings anime things and occasionaly to talk with the people on here to give my own personalised imput of the game thank u that is all <3 Raiga (talk • contribs) 04:44, December 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're the troll, Raiga. You eat Trollios for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. See what I did there? I cannot argue with someone who doesn't know the meaning of a word he uses so often against others.
 * But who has sunken to a lower level in this argument? That will show you who is truely pathetic. 01:55, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Wow dont you have a life? I agree with Raiga 100% call me crazy but It's you whos obviously "trolling" you keep berating him every step of the way while making yourself seem childish and idiotic i even checked out your page and you clearly stated you like to argue with people so the proof is against you man just calling them as i see them 98.186.171.9 (talk) 15:16, January 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Obviously you forgot to sign in, Raiga, or you don't know how to make other accounts to agree with you. I have several reasons to support this:
 * Same writing style: no punctuation, no capitalization, peppered with insults. Adding in one word that isn't included in the fifth-grade English syllabus doesn't change this.
 * You're first and only contribution is this one. Pretty suspicious. Anons usually have Card Trivia pages as their first edit, but I have seen no anons with their first edit on the forum.
 * Almost all of the words in your post have been used by Raiga in the exact same way, but this alter ego has a less obnoxious tone.
 * Newcomers to this website are rarely as bold as you, saying I have no life, calling me a troll, childish, and idiotic.
 * You don't know what a troll is, just like Raiga.
 * Anons NEVER sign their posts. NEVER. Especially on their first post on this wikia.
 * No periods. At all. Just like Raiga. Just wanted to emphasize that.
 * There is no doubt that you, Mr. 98.186.171.9, are Raiga. You seem to "agree with Raiga 100%" on every issue; it's almost as if you are the same exact person. Prove me wrong.
 * P.S. The definition of a troll is: "to post deliberately inflammatory articles on an internet discussion board". Now tell me, who's the troll? 06:00, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

k bewky boy this is me logged out check the sig at the end if ya wanna keep bitchin and XD i love how you cant possibly believe someone is on my side lmaoooo alright dude unlike u i read wat people say and hes never said anything about being a first timer hell ever think he just dosent have an account? i dono who he is but hell thanks for the support bro ;D bewk follow your definition of the word troll btw your purposely tryin to flame me online rly ur so sad D: 99.151.43.157 (talk) 12:19, January 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am disappointed by your utter lack of maturity. We were having a simple debate over the tier list and you felt threatened and decided to insult me. Obvious trolling.
 * Here is a brief summary of our first couple posts leading up to this argument: I post my tier list, you question my tier list, I say GKs are a mere fad, you say not, I rebut, and so you call me a troll and imply that I have no dueling experience (it goes downhill from there). It is exceedingly obvious that you are a troll. You injected "inflammatory articles" into a discussion like you ALWAYS do. You cannot beat me or anyone with your underused logic abilities or experience in any sort of competitive dueling, so you mock them again and again without posting any sort of a counter-argument. TROLL.
 * Your response to this post will have something to do with me having no life or being a nerd or being too serious, only because you have lost this argument long ago and have no proper response to it except to unjustly degrade your opponents.
 * Also, you don't know what inflammatory means: to arouse anger, something you have done too many times. You also have access to your friends or a public computer and have used it's IP address as your own. There is no way that some anonymous would be browsing the forums for the first time ever and be brazen enough to insult another user on his first post. He either was you or some other user I have ticked off. 18:34, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

lol again with that lack of logic and aggrogance of yours first off you were trolling me first if ya wanna lie like u constantly do scroll up and read EVERYTHING i havent lost the arguement cuz you wont accept the fact that your the troll so like always your pushing it on someone better then u aka me :D <3 and its pretty ballzy of u to say i suck at this game considering the fact that i always do well at regionals and get my invite everytime i go and if u wanna do set up a place and ill wreck ya like i do with every hater out there (yes people someone can be hot, social, and have a life and play yugioh its rare but not impossible) listen up bewky boy if ya wanna keep argueing like the lil kid ur acting like then go for it ill be the bigger man and ignore u cuz i deal with too many people like u already only difference is that your not here so i can grind your face in the pavement but oh well trolls will be trolls n_n99.151.43.157 (talk) 22:07, January 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I cannot put into words how hypocritical, narcissistic, and just plain wrong you are. You talk of my "arrogance", yet you by far are the most arrogant and conceited person I have even imagined meeting. You are void of logic, emptied and deprived of all things wise. I have never trolled you; the only insults I have typed are reactions to the bark of a scared child.
 * Your logic makes no sense: I'm a troll, so you win the argument?.
 * I'd be happy to duel. Do you have YVD? I'll leave a message on your Talk Page to see if we can find a time that works out, unless you're too scared.
 * * HAHAHA* You just said you'd be the "bigger man"? How mature of you. Just kidding, I know you're just dying to get out of this argument because you know you can't win; you do this every single time we debate. You cannot beat me in an argument, and you won't beat me in a duel. Download YVD if you haven't already, let's set this duel up. 22:49, January 3, 2011 (

o.o...dude i won just deal with it and stop ramblin on lika kid who wont give up and i dono wtf yvd is so either duel me on the chat thing here or work somethin else out cuz ur gonna lose either wayRaiga (talk • contribs) 03:23, January 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * You aren't even smart enough to google YVD? It's sad enough that you don't know what it is. I won't duel you on the IRC because it allows and encourages cheating. YVD is a program that let's one duel over the internet, therefore eliminating any chance of cheating, which would obviously happen, given your furious need to be the victor. Download YVD or be called a coward and a loser. Here's a link. I can't wait to here your excuse. :) 06:06, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

lol...trolling me and denying it ur so pathetic :3 and its called not givin a damn and if u think ima cheat then lol ur even more pathetic Raiga (talk • contribs) 11:12, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Where are Gravekeeper's on the tier list? I know that they've been doing a lot better now that recruiter it out. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 02:21, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Tier 1 decks and tier 2 decks for 2011 we all know konami gives existing themes more support since gravekeepers but i know at least two decks are going to be tier 1 or tier 2 or even tier 0 which means extremely consistent in the meta game which starts in first booster pack in 2011 of the new year Storm of Ragnarok this might happen though due to the support Broken Tier Decks my tier list
 * * Six Samurai
 * * karakuri
 * * Scraps
 * * X-sabers
 * * Debris-dandy

Powerful tier decks that are powerful yet needed more consistency to draw the cards they need
 * * gravekeepers
 * * Debris-Zero
 * * Frog Monarchs
 * * Quickdraw Dandy


 * * Hero beat
 * * FlamevellKeepers

The Reason why I say six samurais and karakuris are going to be the next tier decks in the broken draw power consistency section because in Storm of Raganrok Six samurai and karakuri got a lot of support that makes both of them more consistent in addition to the stable cards we have now both the decks will a lot of power to control the field in addition to the TCG exclusives they might getaaron riyalgo (talk • contribs) 21:15, December 2, 2010 (UTC)(username necronchaos33Ａ)

Top Tier decks of 2011
Tier 1

-Gravekeepers (the one that won YCS ATL, ive been playing with this at locals and online and it wrecks EVERYTHING. The graveyard is dead and they can destroy so much in a single turn with spy recruiter and descendant, very much a control deck)

-Blackwings (With their own draw engine [cards for black feathers], search engine [black whirlwind], and destruction mechanism [icarus attack], as well as brute strength its dumb to think it wouldnt be top tier)

- X- Sabers (They're x-sabers... enough said xD)

-Quickdraw Plants (They can synchro so much in 1 turn, they're faster than almost anything. The only downside is without they're graveyard theyre dead and they cant handle really trap heavy decks.)

Tier 2 -Scraps (they get rid of alot with a single synchro of Scrap Dragon and Scrap Twin Dragon and they're only going to get better with Storm of Ragnarok's support.)

-Gladiator Beasts

-Gadgets (stun and machina)

Tier 3

-Lightsworn

-Gemini City- Light Hero Beatdown (very close to tier 2)

-Machines (jinzo/salvo)


 * This is actually a pretty good list. 06:09, January 5, 2011 (UTC)