User talk:Cheesedude

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Per your request, my comment was "here's one that I've wanted for a very long time: a special page of some form that displays anonymized, aggregate visitor stats (browser, screen res, etc.)". If you or a staffer would like some elaboration, feel free to ask. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:33, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Stardust Radiance Dragon
Anyway, I've only started arguments against Project:Translation; I haven't gotten into any edit wars over it. Yes, I don't support it, but I still discussed what I was going to do. You can't block me for "repetitive" anything; control your anger, dude! And, Project:Translation is not a valid enough reason to undo my edit. I explained that if Stardust is used as an adjective, then it loses the meaning of being a name for the dragon; you haven't offered any counterarguments to that. Project:Translation is only that in name; it deals with localizations, not the trans parameter. Please explain your reason as to why the trans parameter name would be the same as the localization/unofficial English name! (I have no idea if it's confirmed.) Simply stating Project:Translation isn't going to cut it. Mad Rest 20:07, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bad news for you, Senior D, Cheesy's a member of Organize who wrote those names in DN. And I would watching my own anger if I were you. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:31, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, and I accept that as the localization, but not the translated name. Those two things are different. The Org (which have stated numerous times themselves) do localizations. And I'm not the one angry enough to risk my adminship by biasly banning other users. Or is he willing to provide the list of all the repetitive, repetitive page moves I've done because I've disagreed with their localizations? Mad Rest 20:36, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * The way you talked, it sound like you're little anger on Cheesy for banning on your account. So watch it careful and just listen each other. Talk before post. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:39, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not quite angry; I enjoy antagonism every once and a while.Mad Rest 20:45, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Then you're enjoying the longer banning if Cheesy made up his mind. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:50, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, I will be enjoying the revoking of adminship if he doesn't offer all the ways I've vandalized Project: Translation's localizations, repetitively moving the pages with The Organization's localizations, or any way I've actually disagreed with their localizations in a blockable manner. Mad Rest 20:55, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * This will be my last comment toward you here - you're actually arguing against the Admins. And you will fallen even lower than dirt if you kept it up. Good luck hold your "ground". -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:01, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, no, you're allowed to argue with admins; they don't hold any higher ground in an argument, especially if they're biased. Mad Rest 21:06, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * D, you confuse localization with translation. We don't localize. We translate shit and adapt it in a fashion that's linguistically accurate. Localization, is adapting something for a completely different culture by completely changing the name, context, and cultural background. Unless there's a precedent, we translate shit as accurately as possible according to all context, puns, and other things that exist. We only localize as a last resort. Furthermore, you fail to notice time and time again that there are a SHITLOAD of puns in this game, a lot of them deliberate. Japanese, Chinese, and Korean have a VERY long history of using characters for different purposes or using different characters to mean the same word. This is in part due to a combination of illiteracy and in part due to a unique culture of word games that stem from Han characters. If you can't understand this, frankly, you shouldn't be translating and the admins have every right to block your editing rights for the sake of quality control. If you're arguing that this should be "Flashing Carat Dragon - Stardust", then you're blatantly WRONG, because "Senkou" is a pun on "Flashing Light" or "Radiance" or whatever word you choose for it based on the context. The "Carat" part is nothing more than a fancier way of saying it or a reference to old linguistics where people used to spell things wrong. Same for Enmaryu Red Demon's. It is not Jeweled Demon. The "Enma" is a direct reference to King Enma that WAS written as such in some texts for all the reasons I've stated, and basically grants Red Demon's the title as King of the Underworld or Ogre King. Seriously, take a proper professional translation course or ask a scholar on the basics of proper translation and the flexibility you have to show at times and they'll usually say the same thing. Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 21:26, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, they're not allowed to block me for that; they can state it to me and I can refute it, but the reason given was that I repetitively went against your localizations. Yes, I did. By posting my arguments on the Forum or Talk pages. When did I actually move any of your localizations? And your card names are mostly localizations with no trace of translation (I agree Senkou is a pun on radiance, but kou (karat) is also a reference to the golden aura around the monster; you can't just pick one pun, and forget about the other). Also, the issue here is that Stardust is the monster's name; it loses its meaning when you use it as an adjective, like you did. I can go into how many of your other localizations aren't accurate translations, which you seem to insist, but this isn't the place for that. Still, there was no reason to block me; I had a valid reason for adding the translated name, and he seemed to state that I've been doing this constantly for days on end, when I can't remember any time that an edit war was started over how I disagree with your localizations. The most I did was argue on the Forum, which I am allowed to do, and it was resolved peacefully. I actually just edited this page twice, while providing my reason, but Cheesedude only gave "Translation" as a reason, which doesn't in any way refute or explain how my reason would be wrong. Mad Rest 21:32, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Master D, I explicitly warned you that we could, and would, block you if you continued raising trouble over this issue. Cheesedude's block is perfectly in line with this warning, and he will not be reprimanded for it in any way. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:35, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict) Let it go, it's a one-day ban if you stop now. The Wiki majority has decided to go with The Organization's translations. You were warned by Dinoguy that if you continued to defy that decision, that action would be taken against you. You don't really have a leg to stand on, it's literally you vs. the Wiki majority, regardless of whatever point you think you have. Accept the ban, let it expire and then get with the program and start working with The Organization's translations.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 21:37, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * They are not translations; they're localizations (I can still add the translated name if it differs from the localization). Dinoguy, you make it sound like I can't refute any of their localizations. I can do that. You can block me after I continue editing even after the discussion about the card name was resolved. I didn't do any of that. There wasn't any discussion about the name when I edited it; he just blocked me out of anger. I gave my reason for the translation; Cheesedude didn't. As I see it, he should be the one to be blocked. For the Incarnate Dragons, when they were moved, did I move the page immediately, or did I post on the Talk page to say that I don't disagree with them, and wait until it was over? And I can still raise trouble over this issue. The translated names and their localizations are not the same thing; if they don't prove how they are the same, then they are doing the same thing as a vandal; he can't just say "Translation" and expect the problem to be solved. A discussion needs to be opened on whether the localization and the translation are the same. What he did is block me for arguing about their localizations, which I can do, since their card names aren't absolute. Mad Rest 21:47, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, this is getting out of hand. D, it's been explained to you (both by administrators, and some established translators) why we do what we do. The buck stops with me, and I'm declaring this conversation over. Cheesedude will not be sanctioned in any way, as his conduct has been above reproach in this matter. When we explain something, we expect it to be followed. Decisions like this are not up for debate. If you continue this vein of conduct, your ban will be extended until you learn,--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 21:54, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's what I feared, Founder, at least I learned a hard lesson from you and Delta in the past... well, technologic, just Delta Neos. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:01, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nope, nothing has been explained. I have been unfairly blocked. If you want this to be considered finished, let the translators explain how can the "gold" pun in Stardust be ignored, and how come it's the same whether Stardust is used as an adjective or as a name, when it's not. Only I've been doing the explaining. Nobody else has. Blocking me over starting an argument is not how it works. The reason for my block was that I repetitively went against their localizations. I did, but only in arguments in Forums/Talk pages. And the case with Stardust still hasn't been resoled until my reasons are refuted (That Stardust is a name, and not an adjective; and that "karat" is essential for the pun). I'm not backing down unless any of the translators explain these points.

Mad Rest 22:02, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nobody cares, man Neonian (talk • contribs) 22:04, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * What was explained is that you had a choice to either start working alongside the Organization - which means engaging in open dialog with them when you don't agree with some aspect of their work - instead of simply continuing to push your own translations on the wiki, or to be blocked. You continued with the exact same behavior, so you were blocked. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:05, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * And I'm saying, when?! Even right now, I'm asking for them to refute my reasons. On the Forum, I gave my reasons why I thought they were wrong. I'm not pushing my translations; it's just that when they offer an argument, it's usually, "The Organization did this, so it must be right." (You did exactly this when you inexplicably eliminated "Dragon" from the translated name.) Why don't they offer a solid counterargument against my points? How can Stardust retain the same meaning when used as an adjective in their localization and a name in the actual OCG name?! It's actually you who refuse to work with me by saying that I'm wrong without any rebuttal to my points. And it's not like I'm completely against them; I even think their usage of "Sub-Zero" for Sylphine is more accurate than "Cold". 63.141.199.214 (talk) 22:11, February 26, 2013 (UTC) <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 22:11, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Read the last paragraph. I outlined exactly what would be expected of you to avoid a block. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:16, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * And I'm saying, you have no reason to block me if I have a reason why their name isn't suitable. Also, see how you completely ignored the point I said about Stardust? This just proves that you are the ones who don't want to work as a team. You just completely ignore any of my reasons for the translations. Why don't you offer your opinion on my point? When Kahu said his point on "Radiance", I rebutted by saying that, "Yes, but there's also another pun in play here." Did I just go ahead and say, "No, you're wrong, and I won't explain why" (The same thing you're doing now). You are the ones pushing The Organization's translations; I'm just offering points on why some of them are wrong. If you reply with anything other than a rebuttal toward my Stardust points, then you're just proving that you're the ones not working together. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest  22:23, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, can you please refrain from blocking me until the conversation is over? We are in the middle of a discussion of a card's name; arguing about the name is no reason to be blocked. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 22:25, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no pun in that gold aura. That's the whole point. The character for that is not Carat per se. It's "Jewel" in its most vague sense if you break it down. The same definition as tama, or orb or jade or whatever you want to call it. There's a shitload of stuff like that. And Japanese/Chinese/Korean? Certain characters mean one thing but are reserved specifically for a name. That character in particular is NOT used in modern Japanese, is NOT used in modern Chinese, and is NOT used in modern Korean in a form of standard meaningful vocabulary. It is primarily used in names and titles as far as I know, and frankly carry about as much weight as Peter as a word for Rock. Furthermore, in this case were following the official manga translation precedent with Power Tool and Ancient Fairy. And Stardust Dragon is often just called "Stardust" as if it were its name in the animu and in the OCG sphere, as if its given name was Stardust, and its family name was Dragon. In that regard, Stardust Radiance Dragon is a perfectly fine translation. Not to mention Radiance can also be used to refer to glowing auras or perfection, both of which "Jewel" or "carat" or whatever as a character is used to indirectly refer to in old texts. The only one of the Duel Dragons that your argument could actually stand for is Ancient, and that's only because it's the only one that the mangaka copped out on and didn't give a seperate name instead of going Ancient Fairy(which is possibly due to a bit of a translation derp regarding Korea's card names but I'll get into that some other day). That having been said, there are a few derps on the wiki due to miscommunication that we have to iron out, but we're getting to it and our synchronization process isn't quite perfect yet. Calm down, do some more research if you want to counter us. Also, wiki guys don't block him for now until we straighten this thing out. Block him if both me and Earl say so, maybe but don't get too gung-ho. Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 22:38, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't address your point because I generally have no business discussing the finer points of translation. I can't speak to any issues you may have been discussing on card pages, because I don't follow card pages and so haven't seen any such discussion. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:36, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I'd rather continue this on the card's Talk page, but thank you for actually having the guts to reply to my points, unlike the others. Anyway, that precedent only applies to the TCG. I agree that "karat" isn't all that important. Also there's "Enma Dragon - Red Demon" and "Beelze, King of Dark Dragons"; these cards all keep their names and aren't used as adjectives, so something like "Stardust, the Radiance Dragon" would be more true to the precedent, and it would actually be valid for the trans parameter too. But this should be on the Talk page.
 * @Dinoguy That's because there wasn't any discussion about this card; he just blocked me out of anger, and because he couldn't think of any counterargument to what I said. 22:43, February 26, 2013 (UTC) <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 22:43, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * To be blunt he was more blocking you because you were being a whining little kid and the org and wiki folks were busy with higher priorities and couldn't afford to put up with you. Choice of words has a drastic impact on how seriously and how in depth people take your word, and to be frank yours could use some work in the tone of voice. Your little episodes have been part of the reason for the lack of synchronization, broseph. <_<;; Also, Power Tool Mecha says hi. There's also the fact that Stardust Radiance Dragon could be read as Stardust=Name, Radiance Dragon = Middle + Family name similarly to the structure of the original Stardust, but you probably didn't consider that, did you. Random note, Middle and Family names actually used to denote someone's house, social background and status. It's valid. Drop it, stop being so literal, and stop screaming about differing opinions. And if you drop the org a memo on DGz or something we'll react faster. Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 22:51, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Senior D, just drop it please, and do it now. Before your warrant got tearing into million pieces and your licence become permanent revoked. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:54, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, but the whole card name isn't its name. There are a lot of cards which use the structure [title] [name] (or the inverse apposition), for example, "Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World". If you eliminate the comma, it doesn't retain the same meaning. Only "Radiance Dragon Stardust" can be spelled without a comma. And those are all reasons for an unfair, biased block. If I don't start swearing or insulting people in my arguments, my tone of voice (which you are hallucinating, since this is not IRL) is not a reason to be blocked. 204.93.60.71 (talk) 23:00, February 26, 2013 (UTC) <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 23:00, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's because he's the Lord of Dark World, not Dark World Dragon. "Stardust Radiance Dragon" is just whole different level of the member name. Would he be named "Stardust, the Radiance Gem Dragon"? Nope - I don't think so. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:03, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * If you look at the OCG name, then it's the same as Grapha. Also, I don't have an account on DG, and I don't want to make one because The Organization deals with localizations, not translations. And consistency should be held in translations, a consistency that refers to the OCG, not the TCG. Only Mecha Dragon is that way, by the way, so why are you basing it on that one card? It is outnumbered by the other Duel Dragons and already-existing OCG cards which use the same title-name structure. I'm just talking about the trans parameter; I don't care if you use it for the unofficial English name. 204.93.60.71 (talk) 23:08, February 26, 2013 (UTC) <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 23:07, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Right. I've tried being nice. I've tried to be diplomatic, and it stops. Now. Master D is to be banned on sight in the future, from each account you ever edit from, unless you agree to follow our rules.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 23:13, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright, that would settle on him for now. So you must be glad that I actually had some talk with Cheese in this discussion article before become more of butthead and butthurt all over the place. I respected what Cheesy said about "Stardust Radiance Dragon", as he said that both names are fanslations and that's our only choice to using is the latter, not former. But not only that, I also believed that the latter name suited that dragon better than the former due to the compare of puns. Yea, Jewel has no relates to the Dragon at all. At least I moved all images related to him into correct address as of now. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:20, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * TwoTailed, I'd honestly refrain from being aggressive here. I'd rather not make enemies. And in regards to Duel Dragons. Ancient Faerie or whatever they did it as for the manga also says hi, to my knowledge. Also note that the manga goes wonky with its translations and we've only followed the latest precedent as it seemed to be the most stable one they were using based on Ancient and Power Tool. Void Ogre would be somewhat questionable, but that also seems to imply the TCG's going to go for X Y Dragon for its naming scheme. And your insistance that we only do localizations and that we don't actually translate, honestly feels overly aggresive, feels like you're trying to just get a fame niche of your own, and is why everybody is against you. At this point everybody feels like we're running around in circles, and that you're going to find something to nitpick regardless of what we do. Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 23:23, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I get that impression because you don't discuss the translated names on DG, the Brotherhood of the Fire Fist only have their TCG names listed, and it is stated in Treasured Sword of the Seven Stars' note what its translation actually is. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest  23:27, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, you keep talking about the TCG, but I'm talking about the trans parameter. Don't get those confused! I'm okay with using your localizations, but the trans parameter follows the OCG name accurately to express the difference between the OCG and TCG. I just hope you're not getting those confused. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 23:27, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * We discussed it a LOOOOOOONG time ago then Konmai TCG slapped us in the face. And for the purposes of the actual TCG, nobody actually gives a fuck about what it'd be literally(and even "literal" is subject to context that you honestly miss 90% of the time from what I can tell). The problem with going with OCG parameters is that the only languages where it'd be relevant are the ones that won't be using literal English translations. Korean and Chinese take the Han characters and majority of sayings just fine, and SE Asia is more English-speaking or wannabe Japanese when it comes to metagame discussions. Going with a 100% literal translation for English-speaking countries in OCG territories is only going to serve to confuse people, fuck up the metagame, whine more about "WHY THIS IS THE RIGHT NAME AND THE LOCALIZATIONS OR THIS ADAPTATION IS WRONG" and shit, and that can get problematic. Especially at Worlds. That's EXACTLY why we're avoiding it. Do note that we try to be literal + punny + referency for everything that DOESN'T have precedent. As for the Seven Star Sword I honestly have no idea what note you're referring to. I mean, it's a card that's literally based on an ancient sword called the Seven Star Sword, which can also be called the Jeweled/Treasured Sword of the Seven Stars or some other variation. Both names refer to the same object and both have been used in history and mythology texts to refer to the same sword to my knowledge. Seeing as how it's the exact same sword, we decided to follow the only remotely scholarly mainstream precedent we could find, and went with Seven Star Sword since English isn't a language that handles excessively fancy titles or long-winded direct translations of an SOV language well. I mean, if it wasn't a direct reference we'd probably be more literal but that's not the case here. Where the hell do you think all those Russia jokes come from. That having been said I'm personally perfectly fine with adding a "translated" bit under the phonetics like a good number of the pages have if you could like just ask us if there are any puns or bizarre interpretations you're missing through the wiki staff or something. We have at least one dude who actually knows how to interpret Han poetry and bizarre metaphors to some extent and could probably get you something a bit more literal that doesn't sound stupid in english Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 23:46, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming you're talking about the Shichiseiken (not sure). If so, then yes, it is based on that, but it doesn't translate into that. I'm talking about the note on your Lord of the Tachyon Galaxy page on DG. It is said that the name actually translates into Treasured Sword, and that should be in the trans parameter because it includes "treasure' in the kanji. Translating literally is only an issue for cards with puns. Stardust only has "senkou" as its pun, but I don't get how Stardust being used as an adjective plays into the pun. This is not localization; this is called an improvised translation, where you ignore the kanji, and translate the intended meaning. However, Stardust should be kept the same way, as a name, not an adjective. If you use it as an adjective, then that's a localization, which we will use, and I won't be against it. But, in the trans parameter, everything else should be the same, except for what's been localized. It is used to express differences between the TCG and OCG. Why should we use localizations for it, then?! That's all I ask. All in all, I'm fine with Radiance for an improvised translation, but Stardust is the monster's name. 198.144.116.76 (talk) 23:56, February 26, 2013 (UTC) <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest


 * AAAAAAND this is where everybody else realizes we have a translated parameter in the card pages. Something that's been flying over a good chunk of our heads. Now we're getting somewhere. Excuse my current running around in circles, I've been awake for over 24 hours due to this mess and DN messes. In regards to that "translated" parameter? The last sentence. Our original gripe with the "Translated" stuff was that some of it was too literal to actually make sense by the standards of the source language. So how about we do this for a compromise. Keep the page name as whatever the Org does for improvisations so that it actually sounds like something the card would be in English. In the "Translated" parameter for the card pages, do a more literal translation that sticks to the characters, but figure out which kanji are used, how they're referencing each other and how they're used in standard linguistics, and try to figure out literal translations that are faithful to the characters, but more sensible than shit like "Fiend Roar Deity"(Because seriously, nobody in Japan understands it as that). Everybody else good with this? I'll kill you all if this ends up another shitstorm so please tell me I'm getting the gist of the problem right and have presented a proper solution. ;_; Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 00:18, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

To anyone interested, this conversation should be continued on Master D's talk page. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:14, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Anna
Hey cheesedude we are not perverts what about alexis, it has big chest and yet because anna is a little younger and she has a big chest it sounds wrong. Come on, She has a big chest and i need you to bar the person that interrupted my editing of zexal episode 91 and said yuma had all 5 exodia cards and won. That peed me off and it was seriously illegal with the context of this wiki.--David 40 (talk • contribs) 03:14, February 27, 2013 (UTC) david 40


 * Yes, they both have big chests. I do not see why we need to explicitly say that in the article space. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:34, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Gonna jet...?
So, y'know that "Kattobingu" was changed to "jet" in the English manga, right? In the summaries, I use to write "Kattobingu" linking to the page, but, I just noted on the summary of Rank 27, on the last paragraph, that it gets a bit contradictory to say "Kattobingu" in the summary with Yuma saying "Jet" in the file next to it... Should I start using "jet" instead or I keep using "Kattobingu"? :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:52, February 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I would pipe it to "I'm gonna jet". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:27, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Should I replace it with "jet" in all manga articles as well (like character biographies)? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:04, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:07, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Continue Errors On Card Backings
As I been watching some Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal episodes and there are usually alot of scenes where the cards have the old card backings and I think some of the episodes should be review carefully to figure out which scenes have this mistake. 192.248.248.215 (talk) 04:19, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * But that means someone has to bear the burden of watching the dubbed episodes... in all their whiny glory... --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 04:21, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

What I mean Ultimate Kurbioh is the Japaneese Episodes not the dubbed episodes. 192.248.248.215 (talk) 04:59, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * If you do find those, by all means add them as errors. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:27, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Timelords
Dark Soul Taker keeps removing the Tag Force lores from the Timelord pages, and replacing them with an incomplete effect. Wasn't it consensus that we use the Tag Fore lores for the default lore of the card? <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 18:58, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes it was. I'll warn him. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:28, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey cheese :) is what he is doing right? I mean he adds stuff to Timelords the same as Metaion's last effect is that right? Dark Soul Taker (talk • contribs) 19:32, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Then he must give us evidence for this am I right or wrong? :D Dark Soul Taker (talk • contribs) 19:42, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Took a quick re-check of the effects in Tagforce 6, and the only incorrect thing is the "even if Face-downn" part). I'll go and remove those. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 19:50, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for cropping out the whitespace and how did you do it and i will continue to provide photos and you just clean up for me. It is a even even for us and did you bar that user i told you about. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 04:23, March 3, 2013 (UTC)david 40

Anna
Why you undo my edit about Anna. I compared their uniform cups and Anna's is bigger and when they write big chest on Alexis its fine. Go fix it man, put Anna has a big chest. No pervert or phedophile thing but trust me. I compared two girls who are the same age and body figure as Anna and one has a big chest and the other like Kotori's own so whats wrong. Think it out man and this message was to another user, it was just copied and pasted. He said something about the staff of the wiki so what is it. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 04:33, March 3, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * I am not saying your edit was wrong, I'm saying it was unneeded. Yes, Anna's chest is bigger than Kotori's. We can see that from any pictures the wiki of them. There is no need to explicitly say that in the prose. There is no way to say it without having it sound unprofessional and perverted (regardless of whether or not it is or not). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:07, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Help?
Mind taking a look at ZEXAL episode 93? David 40 said that the Xyz Materials attached to the Chaos Xyz monsters are called "Chaos Overlay Units". Should we change them back to regular "Overlay Units" or keep them as is? Also, he even said that anyone who tries to change them back to regular "Overlay Units" will be banned. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 21:08, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

To answer that question, listen to 10:12 - 10:17, 14:33 - 14:40, 18:40 - 18:47 on this link http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxxgv7_yu-gi-oh-zexal-ii-episode-93-raw_fun?search_algo=2#.UTPXa6KOSSo and i am serious about banning somebody for a while if they change it to Overlay units. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 23:11, March 3, 2013 (UTC)David 40


 * Yeah, they do call them that for Chaos Xyzs. We should be calling them that too, I've simply forgotten. No, no one is getting banned over it either. It's a simple, honest mistake. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:43, March 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool; thanks. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 23:44, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

The reason i said someone was getting banned is because last sunday, some crazy editor/user wrote yuma had all five exodia cards and won and i didn't want a repeat of what might have occurred. Thank you for finalizing this and what does it take to be an admin and how did you edit so many things so fast. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 00:04, March 4, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * Those are different cases. That case was clear vandalism, this was an honest mistake. Adminship is decided through our request for adminship page. Its recommended you have plenty of quality edits before trying. As for your other question, the simplest answer is "practice" and "far too much free time for my own good". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:11, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I will continue adding photos and you can clean them up for me. No racist thing but i do not know how to clean up white spots or make the photo fully visible as i don't have a webcam. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 00:12, March 4, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * You must have the files saved somewhere. Right click a file's icon and select "Open with", then select whatever version of Microsoft Office you have. From there, you should be able to crop out the whitespace using the "crop" button on the right sidebar. You don't need a webcam. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:16, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Hey
That's fine. There's always another day if necessary. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 01:18, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Move
So, I tried to move Number 66: Master Key Beetle per its Talk Page but "Number 66: Master Key Beetle" already exists as a redirect, so I can't move it. :/ Could you move it please? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:56, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'll move it. But the translation should stay. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:13, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. But actually, as I (and Ark in NAC) said, the Kanji part and the Katakana part both are identically translated - "Master Key Beetle". It's not two different names, is the same case as Future Fusion and Fossil Fusion. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:44, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I realize that it says the same thing twice. That's the point - that's what it says, so that's what our translation should say too. There's a reason we don't want to use it for the page names, but I don't really agree that we should remove the translation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:52, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * In that case, we should leave it "Master Key Beetle - Master Key Beetle", like in "Future Fusion", instead of keeping 2 different names. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:03, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:09, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mystic Revolution
Where is the "Lore Parameter" for this card?--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 18:51, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * On the card page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:54, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * ...where on the card page?--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 18:57, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * The card's effect. The main part of the page. It mentions "Mystic Baby Knight" and "Mystic Baby Magician". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:02, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yet it doesn't mention the fact that those aren't real cards.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 19:03, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Isn't the fact that the links are not there enough of an indication that they don't exist? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:09, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * What? I just don't understand why you removed the trivia.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 19:15, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Because its redundant. That info is already on the main card page and at List of unseen cards. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:20, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * But it isn't listed on the main card page.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 19:25, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Does it need to be? Isn't it clear enough by not being linked? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:31, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it would confuse people.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 19:32, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's fair, but I don't think that confusion would result in them checking the trivia page. *shrugs*. Not really a big deal either way. Re-add it if you want. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:35, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 20:09, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blue-Eyes White Dragon
Did this card appear in episode 22 of GX? The only card that appeared in Gerard's flashback was "Skyscraper". "Blue-Eyes" was in episode 21, but that was it. The flashback that showed Gerard defeated by Kaiba in episode 22 only showed "Skyscraper" as the Duel had already ended("Skyscraper" was being held by Gerard and he blamed his loss on that card).Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 03:48, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wasn't Blue-Eyes shown as a silhouette? I know there was some implication that the Duelist Gerard lost to was Kaiba. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:49, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * In episode 21, it was the silhouette "Blue-Eyes". In episode 22, it appeared to be Kaiba's silhouette. If there was a specific flashback that showed "Blue-Eyes", then I know I missed something in the episode.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:57, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I probably just confused the episodes, then. Go ahead and remove it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:06, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Episode 66 briefcase
I will need an image of the cards in Kaiba's briefcase in episode 66 for Card replacements in the dub page. There was a Cyber Jar and "Dark Hole" in the briefcase in place of "Graceful Charity" and a card I couldn't see due to the image not being clear.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 03:30, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would try asking WinterNightmare, then. I could get you those images, but I'm positive he will get you better ones that will let you identify the cards more easily. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:35, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I just did now. The problem is I don't want to keep placing so many message requests on his talk page as he got very frustrated when he found me talking about almost a lot of things I couldn't find on two other occasions.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 03:42, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * If he doesn't get to it by the time I do my next "find images for the card replacements article" run, I'll try to get them (may try tomorrow, depending on how my day goes). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:43, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Eyecatchers
Just wondering. The One Piece Wikia has an article for them. Should we make one as well or you think it's not enough relevant? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:03, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's relevant. Obviously, it should be organized by episode though. If we did make one, I assume each separate series would deserve its own page, with another page providing links to them. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 00:26, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me, both of you. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:31, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think it'd need separate pages though, one page named "Eyecatchers" with sections for each series would be enough. I'll create it then. Just a doubt; in the One Piece Wikia, they say the characters who appear in each episode's eyecatcher in the episode's article. Should we do the same for GX? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:07, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. I just lack info on Toei's eyecatchers and screenshots of 5D's', DM's and GX's first set. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:27, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, just to be sure, 4kids doesn't use eyecatchers, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:42, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Barian mischef
The article Barian (Species) history section is not the correct history of Barians. That history is suited for Seven Barian Emperors. For that reason, I have went to write new history for that page. ---highly respect, Stark 02:34, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Help
I cropped out a photo but i don't know how to save the photo to upload it. Can you tell me how and the cropping has allowed me to update this wiki constituently if i know how to save the photo.--David 40 (talk • contribs) 02:59, March 10, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * Once you've cropped it, just close out of the window. It should ask you if you want to save it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:05, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

I did but it doesn't have the correct file type to be saved. I mean it doesn't have png and others. Where do you find it. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 13:25, March 10, 2013 (UTC)david 40

I cropped with microsoft word but saving it is a problem. Can you help. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 23:49, March 10, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * Oh, ok. What's the problem with saving it? Once its saved, you need to change the file type. Use Microsoft Paint. Drag the file to paint and hit "save as". This will let you re-save the image as any file type you want. If its a card image, you'll want to select png. If its another type of image, either png or jpeg are fine. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:59, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

3d bonds Beyond Time gameplay
I had the idea of creating this page since there were some things in the movie that appear to be due to exclusive rules for the anime, but each of the following are just in my opinion, so I want your opinion on this.


 * A card that player uses will be sent to their Graveyard even if they are not the owner of that card.


 * A Fusion Monster's Fusion Material Monsters aren't lost if they are removed from the field and summoned back to the field.


 * Monsters from the Extra Deck can be summoned from the Graveyard even if they weren't summoned properly.

The strange thing was that "Malefic Paradox Dragon's" anime effect claimed it can summon a Synchro Monster from the Graveyard, ignoring the summoning conditions, suggesting Synchro Monsters need to be properly summoned before being summoned through anything else. UltimateKuriboh told me on my talk page that the effect of "Stardust Dragon" is the same in both anime and card game, but even then Yusei shouldn't have been able to revive "Stardust Dragon" as the monster was never properly summoned in the Duel.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:44, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's a matter of the term owner not being used to refer to game terms this time. Yusei owns "Stardust Dragon", but Paradox was its owner. The movie did ignore this. I'm not sure what you mean by the second point, can you elaborate? I think UK is right - in the anime/manga, monsters almost never adhere to the "monsters need to be properly Summoned clause". It happens often enough that I'm not sure it needs individual notations for it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:05, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * After "Elemental HERO Neos Knight" with "Malefic Claw Stream", Jaden brought it back via "Elemental Mirage". Later Jaden would use "De-Fusion" on "Neos Knight", but according to one of the notes in the 3D Bond Beyond Time page, that's impossible to do in the real game as the Fusion Material Monsters should have been lost after "Neos Knight" was revived via "Elemental Mirage". The Duel in the movie was also probably due to the Duel using Battle City Rules as this Duel occurred during Yugi's time era even though the Duel used cards from the first three anime series, but that's just a possibility(The thing about ownership with cards was a similar problem with "Monster Reborn" during Yami Yugi and Yami Marik's Duel as that card went to Yami Yugi's Graveyard when he used it even though that was Yami Marik's card. Later when Yami Marik used it, it correctly went to his Graveyard). Some of what have I seen in 5D's suggest that by that time, they have established that monsters from the Extra Deck can't be summoned unless they were properly summoned or through their correct summoning conditions ("Respect Synchron" was one notable example of this and "Malefic Paradox Dragon" was the other). On the other hand, the effect of "Stardust Dragon" was probably similar(slightly) to "Magical Scientist" within the anime in the sense that it could summon a Extra Deck monster without having to properly summon it.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 16:36, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Rank-Up
Actually, we do. It would be the same case as using "Rank Up" in past tense and in present participle, like we do on the Chaos Xyz anime lores. We have to abide by English rules; the Japanese just say the same thing in all of these cases. You can't use a hyphen when using a phrasal verb. First of all, it isn't even appropriate to use a card's name as a verb, but when you do, you still have to change it according to standard morphology. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 19:22, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

sorry for not adding it right
sorry cheesedude for adding the pictures the wrong way im trying my best to add pictures for characters but hey as long as you guys Edit the pictures i add its ok their canon and show what is happing forgive my mistakes at least i provide pictures for The Wikia Sign 107Number Philip P.S my Name is Philip (107Number (talk • contribs) 01:30, March 13, 2013 (UTC))


 * Don't worry about it, but do try to be conscious of the double file extensions. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:47, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia
Why is Wagnike2 removing trivia like this? It explained what the kanji on the body of the monster was. It's not speculation. Wouldn't this fall under 'useful trivia'?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 17:57, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Join the chat; I also have an issue with that. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 18:00, March 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, bit of confusion on what the criteria was on staff's part. I've told him via chat PM, he'll stop (stop by chat if you can). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:00, March 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I can't ATM, I'm about to head out, but I'll ask the gist of it tomorrow or Saturday.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 18:02, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

New Post
Yo, long time no see. Wanted to talk to you about putting up a new post on here. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 00:14, March 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, then. Go ahead. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:22, March 16, 2013 (UTC)