User talk:Cheesedude

Welcome to my talk page. Feel free to leave any messages below. However, do not ask me for help with your Deck. I have not actively played the TCG in a very long time, and have not kept up with current rulings. If you leave me a message, I will put your talk page on my watchlist. You may respond on my talk page or your talk page. I will check both.

Final Time
Crashsnake still doesn't seem to be following the Manual of Style or your final warning as he wrote 'ritual summon' instead of "Ritual Summon' like he had previously done. I don't think he is going to listen to either of us, so do you think we should block him or not?Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 22:50, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm keeping an eye on it. I don't see any instances of him adding "ritual summon", it was already like that before he edited those pages. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:55, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually I noticed both this and this while keeping an eye on his newer edits. I had to change those as soon as I found out about them. There a couple of other recent ones I had to change too.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 23:55, December 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * I really didn't want to do this, but I've blocked him. I'm willing to unblock him if he just responds to the warnings. I'm hoping the block might get him to come around and realize he's not being helpful. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:09, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Double Buster Sword
Even not fully knowing the Japanese language, I guess you know the abyss that exists between it and the English language, right? So, for short, the art of writing foreign languages (mainly English) in Japanese is freaking unstable and changes each day. Many things still can't be adapted well, many things have several ways to be adapted (besides the fact that English's still not Japanese people's native language). For short again, one can't say something's right or wrong about this art. Both "Buster Sword" or "Bustersword" are valid translations. I personally named it "Buster Sword" 'cause that's the one which fits English the best, but Rank 24 was already released in English, and I'll be receiving it soon, with the card's official English name. So renaming it now wouldn't be worthy, unless if it's to match the official name. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:30, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, you can ask me away if you have any doubts like that. I've been striking you with questions for a long time as well, so. xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:03, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Resemblance
It was indeed beside the three heads monsters, they resembled in the Machine-Type. But of course, because of "Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon", No. 107 is not Machine Type at all. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:50, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Help
So.... This month's chapter of 5D's introduced the "Hell" archetype, used by Sect Ijuin. But, it turned out that there was already such a series - "Chthonian" (which are named "Hell" in the Japanese version, just like Sect's cards). I created the page for Sect's archetype and now it got all messed up. :P Could you please help me here? xD The list of "Chthonian" cards has a redirect to "Hell", so now there's a list with "Chthonian" members with a list of "Hell" support cards. :/ Also, should we mix both pages? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:03, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Looks like the support list issue was fixed, so that just leaves the question of combining the pages. Personally, I'd argue against it; as "Chthonian" is a series, its members are tied together thematically, whereas the members of "Hell" are tied together by card effects. This is further borne out by the fact that "Chthonian" is a GX series and "Hell" is a 5D's archetype, and they are used by completely unrelated characters (unless there's something I don't know about Sect and Chazz, which is actually decently likely considering how much (little =D ) I actually know about GX and 5D's). This isn't just a matter of an old series getting random support all of a sudden, but of a "new" archetype being introduced that inadvertently supports an old series. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:07, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * True. I don't really think Viz'll rename Sect's "Hell" monsters to "Chthonian", so guess we should leave 'em like this for now (although the "Chthonians" still are supported by the "Hell" support cards).
 * And no, Sect and Manjoume have absolutely nothing to do with each other. xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:39, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Doesn't the fact that Manjoume's cards would be supported by Sect's support card make the whole thing nil? It's an archetype, right?
 * Also, I was never a big believer that "Chthonian" should have had a page to begin with. The cards were thematically similiar but if it wasn't for Manjoume's use of them I don't know that the connection would have been noticed. Anyway, now that's nil because archetype, so that's fine. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:13, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * So in the end, we should mix both? It's just another case of coincidence after all. This happens a lot, mainly with archetypes like "Doll" and "Knight", which besides being largely used for card names, can be easily on a card's name accidentally, like "Aqua Madoor" for example (in Japanese, "Madōru", it has "dōru", which's "doll"). And "Aqua Madoor" is a valid target for a "dōru" support card (well, not in English, but we consider just Japanese, right?). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:31, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * In the end, support = archetype = logic goes straight the hell out the window. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:33, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * In addition to what's listed at "Chthonian", there are cards that use Jigoku as romaji. Of the ones I know of, it looks like "Helpoemer" would also be a "Hell" card, while "Inferno Reckless Summon" and "Pandemonium Watchbear" would not. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 10:33, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Hell page could be like the Sphinx page; include all members to the archetype (Hell, Chthonian and any other card with a different translation, but the same Japanese Name), but with two different sections, the first for the cards used by Chazz (basically how the Chthonian is now) and the second for Sect's cards (the currently Hell page). --Missign0 (talk • contribs) 13:44, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, "Helpoemer" isn't a "Hell" card. Sect's "Hell" monsters have the Kanji "地獄" (Jigoku) with the Furigana "ヘル" (Heru). A card must have both, the Kanji and the Furigana, in order to be supported by Sect's support cards. In this case, none of the cards you linked would. Although, there's something that I'm not sure about. "Chthonian Soldier" does have the Kanji and the Furigana, but the Furigana isn't specifically "Heru" for "Jigoku", it's everything in 1, "Heru Sorujā" for "Jigoku Senshi". I'm not sure if this'd make him a valid target. I'll ask Ark to know it for sure. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:09, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, what am I talking about. Of course he is. I got momentarily confused, never mind. xD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:18, December 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, you're right, he's not. He has the whole thing only in the kanji. He has the necessary furigana - but it's not furigana, its part of the kanji. So yeah, the only two members other than Sect's cards are "Chthonian Soldier" and "Mefist the Infernal General (all the other "Chthonian" cards have no furigana). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:47, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Dealing with a jerk
So, I keep undoing a contributor's same edit on Number 72's Trivia, and he keeps doing it again. I tried to talk to him, but he ignored. Anything we can do? :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:57, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * A lot of "Number" trivia is just grasping at straws. It doesn't help that many other trivia pages for "Numbers" list calculations like that as the "origin" of the number. So I dunno. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:59, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's just an extreme example; I'll go through the other trivia pages for the "Numbers" and wipe things like that off. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 03:20, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:22, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, much appreciated Kuriboh. That all started when I added on the "Numbers" page that (don't remember who) posted on his Twitter that the Numbers' numbers have a reason to be like that, and that they are carefully chosen. Since then, lots of people with lots of free time and nothing to do started creating the most stupid reasons to explain the numbers. :/ What a pain in the ass. :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:30, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Speaking of that, could you cite the Twitter post, if able, on the Number page? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 22:12, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I read about that in this thread, don't remember in which page  though. *__* LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:07, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Replying back
I know this was a few days late, but I got your message and I am following along with most of your ideas. However even with the anime lores literally translated and/or removed, other people might get confused and think that it needs to be written in. UltimateKuriboh is doing an excellent job translating the lores in the anime, but it appears the only places to put in these parts that weren't mentioned in the anime lore would be the Duel Summary and the Card Appearances pages. I only hope a better solution than the one I suggested to UltimateKuriboh will come up soon as I think it was just a good at that moment. Reply when you can.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 16:18, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * If they get confused, we revert them and explain why. I don't necessarily think we need to mention all of it on the card pages. A lore and an effect aren't really the same thing. That being said, I think I'll bring this up at Community Discussion later to get some more opinions. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:45, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

4KIDS Mistakes Page
I was going to start on it today, just checking if it's alright? Also what do you think a good name for the page would be? Cheers! TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 22:31, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's fine. As for the title, perhaps Card edits in the dub or something like that? We can always move it later. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:07, December 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is the page specifically going to deal with card mistakes or all kinds of mistakes? -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:13, December 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Scarecrow and I had discussed this on NAC. The idea was to have a page that could be linked to for all 4Kids card edits (i.e. a page like Arkana's Deck: Mistakes in dubbed episodes, but for all instances). We were hoping that having that would then enable us to remove the error cards from the character Decklists. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:17, December 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Card edits in the dub" sounds like the better name to me. You don't mistakenly edit multiple copies of The Winged Dragon of Ra into characters' hands; those are more Freeze Frame Bonuses. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:22, December 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think we should be careful about calling them mistakes, when they may have been intentional. Although "card edits..." sounds to me more like using the same cards, but changing them, such as censoring the artwork. Maybe "card replacements..."? -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:33, December 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * So Card replacements in the dub? I'll start designing the layout on my profile anyway, so when a name is settled on, could someone let me know please? TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 14:32, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Attack names
So today, I got a peek at some of the chapters of the English Viz Manga of Yu-Gi-Oh! R. Thing is, I am a bit hesitant about my changes to the attack name page. The English manga described a pumped-up version of Blue-Eyes White Dragon's attack as "Destruction Burst Extreme" (I didn't make that change yet). I also believe I remember seeing "Burst Stream of Destruction" being used as an attack name. This confuses me, as the English name for its attack is described as "White Lightning," yet the Japanese name is also "Burst Stream of Destruction." Do I put that as the English attack name or Japanese translated attack name? It also makes me wonder if I messed up when I put the other attack names down... --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 06:14, December 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't have enough English volumes to do much checking, but it's probably just the English manga being inconsistent. If you saw both "Destruction Burst Extreme" and "Burst Stream of Destruction, then list both. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:17, December 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * 'scuse for the intruding. Thing is, Viz messes up everything. Well, also attack and effect names use to change a lot when the monster is affected by some effect or something like that (in those cases you should add it like "[attack/effect name] [affected by/equiped with...]"). Sometimes (MANY times) Viz commits mistranslations, or translates the same thing in two different ways. That's Viz's incompetence, and I don't know how we could add those. Maybe we add them as "alternate names". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:28, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Card search categories
Oh. I'm not well conversant with those categories yet. xD Thanks for notifying me. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:35, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

ZEXAL - Episode 80
I'm working on Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Episode 080 summary and i'm not finshed with duel part can you finish it for me. Thanks highly respet, Stark 18:36, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, very nice. I can try to finish the Duel part later if you don't get to it, but I don't know if I'll have the time myself. What's there looks pretty good. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:52, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Part of summary of duel between Alit and Yuma isn't finished, but thanks and MERRY CHRISTMAS highly respet, Stark 18:57, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * In future, do not repost two topic with same name, you're just make it look funnier. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:03, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * oh yea, sorry about that highly respet, Stark 19:05, December 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's "Respect", with C's in the between of second "E" and "T". -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:56, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Quick ask
I was wondering... Y'know the Duel Priestess? A Duel Priest is the exact same thing, with less role in the plot. Although not well explained yet, it seems the whole important stuff about the ritual and Goodwin's plans are about the Priestess, and the Priest is just "whatever". You think an article for Duel Priest is needed as well? I was thinking about merging both, name it "Duel Priest", and make a section for "Priest" and one for "Priestess". Wha'd'ya think? :P LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:31, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Who is the Duel Priest? I don't think an article would hurt, but merging them is also fine. Do what you'd like, I've not been following that manga enough to know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:53, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Apparently, the Duel Priest/Priestess are somehow special people who conduce a ritual (guess what it is? yeaaah, a duel) to combat and seal the "darkness". Although both are supposed to be important, the manga only gives emphasis to Aki, who's the Duel Priestess, while Sect's just someone Aki must duel. Also, they say that if a Duel Priestess lose, the sun will hide and blah blah blah, and that her win became a kinda "tradition" 'cause of that. The Duel Priest seems to make no difference at all, he's just important 'cause the Duel Priestess must have someone to defeat. :P
 * Well then, guess I'll merge it. The two appear to be the same thing, just with different functions after all. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 02:15, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Seeing as how this is a "quick-ask" section... Could you check User talk:WinterNightmare, and look at the "Videogame Glitches" section and provide your input? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 05:33, December 27, 2012 (UTC) Yeah... I'm also at a loss on how to "move" pages, such as to SheepToken-WC6-EN-VG.jpg. Would you mind explaining how? I would have figured I should "rename" the page, but that doesn't seem to be an option on that page... Also, I don't know how to "move" pages without leaving redirects. Mind explaining that too? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 05:52, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * You have to either be an admin or have mover rights. You can request the latter here. If you get those rights, you can move images and when you move anything, you'll have a checkbox that will suppress the creation of the redirect if you check it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:10, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Mmm, I'm going to have to ask you to move it for me. I barely have any uploads, and even though the move limit is annoying, sometimes I'm incorrect when I rename stuff, so it limits the damage I do. In short, I don't think I would qualify for privileges. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 06:20, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * You don't necessarily have to upload a lot to have the rights (some users that have them don't, actually). I would review the image policy a bit and then put your request in. Even if it doesn't go through, there's nothing stopping you from asking again another time. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:35, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pushing me to put in a mover request and helping me with the image overwrite thing on Golden Key's page. New question though: I got the picture of the "Sheep Token" only by getting my opponent to attack it. The normal way of viewing is selecting the "Detail Screen" option on the Token when it is on the field (which produces only the artwork of the Token, and not the "Token" card itself). Should I upload the "Detail Screen" picture, or should I upload both pictures? Also, I suppose I should use the resolution the GameBoy Advance uses, and not enlarge the picture, huh? --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 07:46, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Uh, I dunno. For video game images, I'd ask Falzar FZ. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 10:07, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can't say whether we'd only want one or both images (for that you should probably follow Cheesedude's advice of asking Falzar), but as far as resolution goes, you should use the original res of the image (which, if your emulator is any good, will be the native resolution of the GBC); this is what I did for the DM1 images I uploaded. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 11:32, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I upload the original resolution, but there is a reason for uploading a lower resolution one.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:24, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was thinking specifically of uploading higher-than-original resolution images; I've seen at least one DM2 image with a doubled resolution. To be honest, the thought of uploading lower-resolution VG images never occurred to me, for whatever reason. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:08, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, idk how to provide a higher resolution; I'm assuming by a lower resolution, you "enlarge" the image. I guess you "shrink" the image to get a higher resolution? Anyways, I don't think we've had any problems with the "fair use" policy yet haven't we? For now, unless anyone has any objections, I'm going to post them at their original resolutions. The only problem I foresee with the "fair use" policy is if that affiliation with Konami ever gets established in the future (maybe they'll want us to take them down?). --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 17:20, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, Falzar, if you could answer my 1st question too, I'd appreciate it. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 17:38, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The one on video game glitches? It seems to have been resolved. Using things like gx03name for those names should work.
 * I don't think scaling the image up by using a bigger screen that usual counts as higher resolution, unless the file itself is a vector graphic (e.g. File:BAM-CP.png is a vector graphic in game, so I can get any resolution I want without losing quality).
 * It just lowers the chance a little, it's not like they will definitely tell us to remove it. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:53, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, I meant the question about the "Sheep Token", regarding which image (if not both) I should upload. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 21:57, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Your 2nd question is about moving pages. That would by your 3rd question.
 * Do you mean something like File:TheSelection-GX03-EN-VG.png and File:KingTigerWanghu-WC10-EN-VG-NC.png?
 * or without the details, like File:SpeedSpellTheShallowGrave-WC10-JP-VG.jpg.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:15, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe make it consistent with all the other GX03 images (which should only be File:ShinePalace-GX03-EN-VG.png and File:TheSelection-GX03-EN-VG.png) and take it from the deck construction screen.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:31, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The closest one to the others I guess, in this case, the battle screen one. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:22, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I haven't uploaded any GX1 images, I renamed them to what they should be called, they were uploaded by Rkdew0.
 * The card border is part of the card, it shouldn't be taken off, you can upload a new version of those cards if you want. EDIT: nvm, I've uploaded new ones already. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:42, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems I got a bit confused on terminology; I was referring to an image's dimensions when I said "resolution". The specific image I mentioned was a case where the image had originally been uploaded properly-sized, and someone later doubled its size and reuploaded it. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:10, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

great idea Than?
each overlay network has a different color did you notice how it goes either on the ground or the top or behind the version so far on nelson did this with number 83 galaxy queen there colors of each overlay network is different colors when yuma summons utopia the color is yellow what stands for light types the purple is dark types red fire types and chaos xzy is darkish and green colors (107Number (talk • contribs) 05:03, December 27, 2012 (UTC))


 * I didn't. I know the "Numbers" use something different than the regular Xyzs and "Chaos Xyz" use a third, but I never noticed any more detail than that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:18, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

RE: ZEXAL 80
Giving you a heads up. ---highly respect, Stark 18:45, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Duel Monster Spirits
Template:Infobox/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Character doesn't make that parameter into a link, so it doesn't have a link. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 20:23, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Card Replacements
Hey, I looked at your sandbox, I do like the idea, but it looks a little unorganised. Is there any way to tidy it up, say in tables or something? Also, yeah please. It's hard finding good quality dub videos, and most of the GX ones are subbed, so it's hard to get raw print screens. Thanks! TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 01:13, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to make tables on here, but something imagine the example below is a table:

Header: Character's name [dub image/sub image] - row 1/2 columns [description] - row 2/1 column

Then continue it on. I just think it looks a little untidy when loosely placed. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 03:19, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that looks better. The only changed i'd make would be to make the card's names go in one line (possibly use bullet points?) and i'd convert the images to be the same size so that the table wouldn't look untidy. Also, sorry, posting like this makes me feel like i'm ordering you around X_x. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 19:16, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * That does look good. I noticed you said you're screencapping from Dailymotion. www.watchcartoononline.com has good quality episodes for dub shots that don't have CN watermarks. It's also less laggy. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:54, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I like the look of the one in your sandbox Cheese. Also, that card is Queen's Knight. The card images are often affected by the time of day (in the anime), and that duel takes place at night (where the images are darkened). I thought it was an effect monster at first too, but what I can see of its artwork, it matches Queen's Knight. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 03:02, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * We could do. Which ones lack images? I can't do anything on it in the next 2 days, but I can help out on the 2nd of January and forward. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 03:14, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can get screenshots from most of DM (I can't find an episode with Vivian's hand in which is clear as there is a logo over her hand when its revealed). TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 17:44, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Idea
I have an idea about Sphere Field page take a look,New layout. ---highly respect, Stark 23:50, December 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * That looks fine, though you'd need to keep the Sphere Field Cannon subsection as well. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:00, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok ---highly respect, Stark 00:03, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

ZEXAL wiki....Again
Hey Cheesedude, it seems like the ZEXAL wiki has started to simply copy the images we use for some of the Zexal character pages. Also they have decided to copy our Number table that we use in Number, actually they copied alot, and they still refuse to give use any kind of credit. -- Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  21:00, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

GX manga characters section
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (manga) previously had some anime information about the characters, such as Chazz using various Decks. Does all of the remaining information pertain to the manga? More specifically, the parts about Chazz and Jaden coming to a truce of sorts and Crowler making numerous attempts to get rid of Jaden? -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:25, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * They do come to a truce just like in the anime and it becomes more of a friendly rivalry. Crowler makes all of one attempt to expeel Jaden in the manga and only even does it because Midori isn't around. After she comes back, he seems to give up the grudge. Other than that, everything there appears accurate to me. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:33, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is that the incident from Chapters 8 and 9? Although, there it was Syrus, he had on the risk of expulsion, while the worst that could happen to Jaden was having his Deck confiscated. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:53, December 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was. It's explained later that losing his Deck would have actually be far worse than expulsion for him though. If he lost his Deck, he's have no reason to be at Duel Academy, so he's probably leave anyway. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:00, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Cite error: Invalid tag; no text was provided for refs named ep_3
Just stumbled into this and saw that! -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:48, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * The note was originally on "Mind on Air", which an IP removed a few months back. Shortly thereafter, another IP re-added it without the note. Fixed. I'm shocked no one caught that sooner. Thanks, Fred.Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:10, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem, and sorry for a late respond... should had know of this sooner. I came access to that problem when I went to collecting Asuka's (Alexis, if you rather) deck for the new Volume - I would rather keep myself in the touch for coming chapter that included the one with her... You know, Memoir's Tales? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:50, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Card replacements again

 * I didn't have any of them listed (I thought Killer Needle was Pegasus' only one...). Do you think we should list category changes on that page too? Like "Prophecy (card)" being turned into a Spell Card in the dub? And yes, I can tell you're enjoying it, haha :P. I wonder if the dub will stop producing these mistakes now that Konami is in charge... TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 22:23, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, it's absolutely pointless... Especially in cases like T-Bone where his Deck is just a cluster of random cards. I'd rather them be blanked out. Well if you think of any more changes you want me to find images for, i'll gladly find them. I'm looking around character's pages currently for mistakes listed. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 23:45, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a topic would be good. When I edited the 5D's Deck lists into the new season/arc format, I ignored the dub changes... Wish I hadn't now haha (although I don't remember any on Yusei's, Ruka's, Rua's or Aki's pages. The one for Jack that is on there is the only one I know for him, and there was one of Crow where he had 2 Anti Reverse... I remembered Crump anyway. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 07:53, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

"Verz" or "lswarm"?
So, this month, Team lswarm appeared in D Team ZEXAL. Yep, their name is the exact name of the archetype (lswarm). BUT, in Japanese, both the archetype and the team are named "Verz". Should I keep the team's name in Japanese, "Verz", or make it match the archetype, "lswarm"? The team's name obviously come from the archetype, and the members also use it, I personally think it'd be better to make the team's name match the archetype's name, but I'm not sure. :P LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:39, January 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * The way it is now is fine - uses the English archetype name, but mentions the Japanese name on the page. Likewise, there's a strong argument to move "Team Fire Stars" to "Team Fire Fist". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:24, January 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, I guess not. The team's name is "ファイアー・スターズ" ("Faiā Sutāzu"), while the archetype's name is "炎星" ("Ensei"). Although the translations are very similar, the Japanese name is totally different. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:23, January 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok then. I didn't realize that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:30, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sectionalism
I'm not sure if I am correct on the section but can you go and check it out - The Door. Give me a heads up when you answered it. ---highly respect, Stark 01:35, January 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks fine to me, I made a few other fixes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:47, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

HERO
Can i add the picture to one of the side pockets? PhantomMG (talk • contribs) 23:32, January 6, 2013 (UTC) responce? ---thephantom- 23:38, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Darklord
Phantom may not have been vandalizing intentionally. I have a hunch he saved everything in an older version of Microsoft Word, and when pasted the stuff back to the page (instead of reverting), the Japanese characters had been changed to question marks. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:43, January 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * That would certainly make sense. I did find it odd he added a bunch of info and vandalized at the same time. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:15, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Block
Hi Cheesedude. Can you please block User:George0x? I just banned him from chat and now he's vandalising my user and talk pages. Thanks. --Spongebob456 (Talk) 17:27, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

I would rather block him immediate as he don't listening and just ignored anything we threw on him, not ever a dime. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:29, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

i don't realy care if you block me or anything but i got banned from the chat kinda for no reason the chat was getting stuck for quite some time i just got bored as for vandalizing i will stop now since it now concerns more than one George0x (talk • contribs) 17:35, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * You're blocked for the good reasons - If you showed a hatred feeling toward them, just bottle them up then vandalism them on the punch bag somewhere, not here or at chatroom. If it still hurt, hiring the doctor and talk them out. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:37, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * If you're going to stop, I won't block you. If you continue, I will. Simple as that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:37, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Indent!!! If you're respond to George, use 1 indent, not to me. It sound like I am causing the trouble or something. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:39, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Rei
From what Yuma says and the fact that Rei tosses his bag off when Yuma does, it's heavily implied that he joins in the battle royal. And seeing as he fell under Gilag's control, he must have lost. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 02:29, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well they're going out of their way to make him look mysterious in most aspects. And if RUM brainwashed him from being near Gilag, then surely the rest of them would have been too? I suppose we could change it to "not shown", but too many things in the episode imply he dueled. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 02:34, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sure Gilag was going to use RUM to brainwash Yuma before Alit jumped in the way? And even so about Ryoga and Rio, Kotori was there too and she was fine. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 17:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I only saw the episode once, but I am sure when Rei was holding Yuma, Gilag put RUM in his face and activated it? And yeah, it's a shame she most likely won't ever duel again. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 17:41, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Translation stuff
Hi. First, let me apologize for I seldom post around here. I mainly lurk.

As for the issues being discussed on Forum:Literalism in translations and other issues, I think it is a good idea to follow with NeoArkadia and the Organization members.

I think the main reason why literalism in translations is so prevalent on this site is because there are not enough users who are proficient with the Japanese Language like III. In fact, you have people like Master D who have no knowledge of the language and yet insist on messing with the translations. No matter if one uses Google Translator, Tangorin or whatever, the Japanese Language like any other sophisticated language, is full of with puns, idioms, double meanings, etc. All of which can be difficult for an online translator or a person uneducated in the language to pick up on. Example: Talk:Arcane Archer of the Forest

I agree with all the points stated by Pharoah Atem on the thread. Please let me know if you need help with anything else. HHT  - (Talk to the Turtle) 01:57, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Forum
You're welcome to give your optional to this article, whenever you're free. (Or on coffee break >_> ) -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:48, January 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't have any comment on it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:54, January 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Like I said before, you're welcome to it, and I never said you have to do it NOW. *cough to clear throat* -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:57, January 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know. I was simply letting you know why I did not and will not comment. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:04, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Backfired?
It seemed like you just got foot in a face? Just leave that name in Number 72 and we are good. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:51, January 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nope, that was not a backfire. The manga name is the same as the article name, so the manga name parameter is redundant. That's why I removed it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:54, January 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Other user disagreed, go visit that article again and see the summary. :) -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:55, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

No.
Regarding this. Why do you think we shouldn't have changed it? The Japanese name is "Numbers". We don't call "Black Feathers" "BF", "Rank-Up Magic" "RUM" or "Ally of Justice" "AOJ".
 * Also, "No." and "Number" are the exact same thing, so the manga uses both of the names a lot, according to what is more convenient (depending on the size of the bubble/card, usually). They call a same "Number" by both "No." and "Number"; it's just an abbreviation. I personally don't think we should list "No." as the manga name. Perhaps "altname", but not "manganame". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:41, January 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Given that the English manga has used "No.", I feel that's what we should go with, since its still valid. And technically, its an abbreviation for "Numbers", not "Number". that actually is important for archetype purposes. Either way, the manganame should be the name used in the manga. If the manga does so inconsistently, using "altname" should be fine (but only for the Numbers that appeared in the manga.) Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:11, January 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * To tell the truth, I personally have a grudge on Viz's inconsistency and lack of attention. Because of things like that we have to screw everything up here in the Wikia. In the Japanese version, they always use "No." with the Furigana "Numbers", the manga's using both "Number" and "No." is just a matter of adaptation and stuff, I personally wouldn't like to take it seriously. I'll add the "No." thing as "altname" though, for the Numbers who were called like that in the English manga, once what Viz uses is "official" and so we have to report. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:21, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Image Policy?
I don't see anywhere in the image policy where it mentions "OP" or "official proxy," yet IgorThunderMaster renamed the images I uploaded that, one of which can be seen here. I assume he's right, so could you update the Image Policy page with this bit of info? Thanks. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 04:09, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Added. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:54, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Misaki and Tag Force guy cameo
You might have seen this before, but Misaki and the Tag Force player make a cameo of sorts in ZEXAL. Like Cheerleader Blair and Heartland Akiza and Alexis. There's also a few colourations of generic Tag Force opponents. This person who posted the image where I found it also seems to think the girl in the glasses is Carly. Would you happen to know which episode that scene is from? -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:12, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I can say it's definitely from one of the ZEXAL episodes during the WDC finals. A lot of episodes to go through though... --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 18:06, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Off-hand, I'm not sure, but I should be able to look it up later. Chances are someone mentioned in the NAC thread for the episode it was in and if not, I'll ask over there if anyone knows. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:54, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Master guide translations
Hmm... *shoves awake* So, some guy just asked on the forums why we don't host translations of the storylines on our wikia. Well, I know NeoArkadia is aware of the storylines in the Duel Terminal (shown here). I don't wish to risk treading on his toes, so do you think you could ask him (with a pretty please) if he could translate everything word-for-word, regarding the information obtained from the Master Guides? X/ I really hope he "deigns" to accept (if he hasn't translated them word-for-word already, and has copies somewhere). --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 21:45, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I forgot about redoing that Master Guide stuff. Anyway, I'll look around later and ask him when I see him on yahoo. I've talked to him about the MG stuff a few times. He's translated everything he has access too. Also, don't be afraid to ask Ark questions. He's actually a really nice person. He had the reaction he did to Clock God because that guy has more or less been digitally stalking him for years. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:54, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I refrain from piling on stuff because idk how he reacts to taking requests (poor Ryusui, with my enormous backlog of transcription/translation requests). I have already asked him on his Wikia account regarding Talk:Plus, and he hasn't replied yet, which is also why I asked you. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 00:51, January 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * He's never reacted negatively to be requesting something for him. He likes helping. That said, he doesn't use the wiki that much, so it could be he's just not logged in since you posted that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:53, January 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * He's done a full translation of Master Guide 3. He does not have access to Master Guides 1 and 2. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:23, January 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * So, can he post them on a thread in NeoArkCradle? Or send an e-mail? Or a PM through NeoArkCradle? From what I saw, he just copy/pasted summaries of the Master Guide 3. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 05:12, January 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * I suppose I should have mentioned he already did. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:16, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Minor questions
Warning of questions bombardment! :P 1. If we have 2 files for a card - one in English and one in Japanese - is it okay to leave the Japanese one in the article if it's way better than the English one? 2. If the article for a chapter has everything but the summary, technically is it a stub? 3. If an anime/manga exclusive card's article has the Reconstructed Effect template, is there need to have the "Unofficial lore" template as well, since the lores will be reconstructions? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:21, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) This's English Wikia, not Japan Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia. But everything is absolute, with English come first.
 * 2) Yes, sir, if you lack a chapter or single sentence of that summary, it's stub!
 * 3) We can't grasp the exact lore until we strangled the writer's neck to get those full effect(s) out. Since we can't find that writer, we have to do this way. --  i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:25, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1. Tch. xD
 * 2. Roger.
 * 3. Oh, I meant, if there is need of adding both the Reconstructed Effect AND Unofficial Lore templates. 'Cause, Reconstructed Effect automatically means unofficial lore, though I'm not sure if we should add the Unofficial Lore template the same way. *__*
 * And thanks. o/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:31, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * For images, I think the English image takes precedence even if its bad, with the logic being that having it up will encourage someone to upload a better version. For stubs, I would say that's probably the case, but only because the summary takes up such a large percentage of the text no matter what. Initially, I added both unofficial lore and reconstructed effect. UltimateKuriboh started just using the latter and so did I once he did, since it's a good idea. We don't need both. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:54, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * For third one, Reconstructed Effect don't mean that it's unofficial. Being Unofficial meant that it's such to be printed on the OCG/TCG copies. Anime has nothing to do with those stuffs. Same thing for Manga effect, that don't confirmed in the way Writer wanted to explaining them in the book(s). -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:47, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * In the case of a page missing only the summary, I believe Deltaneos has commented that using the incomplete tag is more appropriate than the stub tag. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:59, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * So, in case of missing summaries, I add the "incomplete" tag instead of the "stub" one, and in anime/manga Reconstructed effects, I just add the "Reconstructed effect" tag, no need for "Unofficial lore", right? Thanks for explaining, everyone. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:10, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * *headdesk* Oh right, Stub mean short, not missing/incomplete, how silly I am. And also I just used "Stubby" in one of my writing chapters... -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:20, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * *smashed the desk down with my forehead* Dumb keyboard is dumbbbb! -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:53, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sandbox
Hey there, how do you make one? Do I just create a page titled "TheScarecrow14/Sandbox"? Or do I have to put "User:" in there too? Thanks. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 21:55, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Name the page User:TheScarecrow14/Sandbox. Helps if you make a link on your user page too. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 22:32, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Also Cheese, can you check my profile page? I've been working on a new 5D's template. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 00:41, January 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Template looks fine to me. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:36, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Page deletion
Hey Cheesedude. I don't know whether you have had a look yet, but a page could do with deleting, thanks: Set Card Lists:Hidden Arsenal 7: Knight of Stars (TCG-SP) --Spongebob456 (Talk) 20:00, January 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Got it. But you don't need to report tagged articles; they show up at Category:Candidates for Deletion, so admins who look there will find them eventually. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:05, January 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay. I just wanted it removed. --Spongebob456 (Talk) 20:07, January 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Gee, just listen to you ranting at Cheesy is just like you need to get him out of restroom and take his place in there. Gain some patience please, Bob456. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:10, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Cataclysmic Charmer Connection?
Since no one wish to stretching the article further so I moved it into official article. So now on the next problem; which part of "member" should I put them in, Archetype (since Charmer and Familiar-Possessed have their own) or Archrelated, as they are not "official" named group, however they are "related" to each other due to their young looks. If you think it's the former, then I will get them up in no time, and if the other article that connect to them by default, should I add them in Archrelated as well? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:24, January 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think they should be in their own series, though I suppose that anything all the other Charmers are technically related to all the other Charmer series. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:31, January 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * So "Member" link would not be workable if we went this way...? It will be red forever....-- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:35, January 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm saying that Cataclysmic Charmer should be its own series. In addition to that (and this part could easily be disputed by other users), I'm saying that all of the Spirit Charmers are related to the Familiar Possessed, Cataclysmic Charmers and whatever the hell the other serires is called. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:46, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Spell Reproduction
Different artworks. One has the original Japanese artwork, the other has the international edited artwork. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:44, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can't say for sure. I got the one I uploaded from episode 91, but, now that you mentioned it, the background of the two pics is the same, and the main article says it only appears in episode 91. o.O The other pic was uploaded in 2007, if I'm not mistaken the RAW episode I downloaded was ripped from DVD. My only guess is that they changed it on the DVD version. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:42, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Confirmed, it was ripped from the DVD. So it's a DVD change. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:44, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

English manga terms
So, I'm right now writing the summary of ZEXAL Rank 25, and question: for the summaries (not "Featured Duels"), should I use the TCG terms (tribute, tribute summon, xyz material...) or the official English manga terms (release, advance summon, overlay unit...)? Also, Photon Thrasher is called "Photon Slasher". In cases like that, which name should I use? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:47, January 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Use "Photon Slasher" and add that under "manganame" in the card articles. For the other terms, I prefer to use Overlay Unit. I never gave much thought to the others, I usually do use the TCG terms, come to think of it. It's kind of a slippery slope. Do we stop using "Position" and use "Mode" in anime articles. So, uh, I dunno. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:53, January 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Both the TCG and anime/manga terms look fine, but I guess we leave the TCG terms then, so that we don't need to change all of them in all of the episode and chapter summaries so far. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:40, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

was that funny what i did:D (74.3.146.254 (talk) 19:30, January 18, 2013 (UTC))

Utopia Ray V Words
My apologize for a burst in that article - I just wish that he could understand what words meaning in the text. Is that true to have "you possess this card" line in that text? If it is, then that IP-Addressed User is wrong. He removed that line twice so far - If he tried to do that again, you're welcome to protect that article until it TCG release. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:43, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Sleeping Giant Thud
Shouldn't this be in Leo's WRGP Decklist with a note (he states in 121 that he has many of them, but took them out of his Deck because he couldn't use them)? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 20:53, January 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * No. He took it out, therefore its not in his Deck, therefore we don't need to list it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:31, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Just to be sure
So, sorry for bothering for minor things ^^', but could you please take a look on the note I made for this month's chapter of 5D's? I'm not sure where I was supposed to note that, nor how to. :P Also, for this month's chapter of ZEXAL; remember the guy Kaito's dueling who uses a Shogi Deck? Well, all of his card effects use Shogi terms, so would you please check as well this card's effect? (the "extend" part) I explained it on the Trivia and linked to it in the lore, but not sure if that's how I should do it too, so. :P Thanks. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:03, January 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those both look fine to me. :) Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:43, January 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's good. xD Thanks. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:39, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Grammar doubt
When, for example, someone has an important card destroyed and says "argh!" (y'know, not out of pain), how can I describe it for the summary? "Groans"? I think "mourns" isn't adequate for that situation, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:55, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

By "mourn", I think you mean "moan". Mourn is to be sad, usually over a death. "Groan" or "moan" are both appropriate, I think. Something like "growls in frustration" would also work. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:16, January 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, I did mean "mourn", I thought it was something like that as well. :P But "growls in frustration" sounds great, thanks. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:19, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Notification
I continued the conversation regarding Master Guide 3 on Deltaneos's page. Bump. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 17:41, January 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have his page on my watchlist. I'll answer when I can. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:00, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Episode vs. Turn
Y'know, the chapters of ZEXAL are called "Ranks", the chapters of 5D's are called "Rides", and we name 'em like that here. But, the episodes of GX are called "Turns", and we name 'em "episodes". Shouldn't we rename 'em to "Turns"? Like, "Yu-Gi-Oh! GX - Turn 001", for example. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:00, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've heard that before, I always assumed it was a bad Janime translation, so its interesting to learn that it wasn't. Uh, are the episodes of the other three series called something else too? (avoiding actually answering the question until I have more info). Good to see you have your account back, BTW. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:12, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I can't say for sure. Both 5D's and ZEXAL just show the name of the episode, instead of "Episode (no.): (name)", like GX. Although, in the TV Tokyo website, they say "Numbers (no. of episode) '(name of episode)'". I think it's just a play on "episode number XX" and the "Numbers", though ("Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Number 001" would be odd, wouldn't it?). For 5D's and DM, the only way we could know would be in NAS episode summaries/previews (or with a sreenshot of an episode's name in the episode for DM, which I don't have).
 * And thanks. ^^ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:09, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Right, and "turn" is just a play on the whole "ore no tan" thing. I'm not really sure if we need to move them or not, honestly. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:29, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * But "turn" is used for GX just like "Rank" and "Ride" for ZEXAL and 5D's, I still think we should rename it. I'm not sure about ZEXAL's "numbers" 'cause it isn't shown in the episodes themselves. I'll try to look for some summaries at NAS'. I'll try to find summaries of 5D's as well, though I don't think I'll be able to. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:36, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yay, contradiction. So I checked the episode listing of the 4 series at TV Tokyo's. ZEXAL's episodes really are named "numbers". I think we maybe have to rename them. However, GX, whose episodes are named "turns" in, well, themselves, are just named "episode 1", "episode 2". However, I still think we should name 'em "turn". The DVDs also use "turns", and the staff may just have decided not to use the "turn" in the site in 2004, as they do today. Both DM and 5D's are named normally "episode 1", "episode 2" (I still would like to see an episode title screenshot for DM though). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:48, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Personally, I've never really understood why we insist on using "Rank", "Ride", etc. for our chapter articles; it would be far more straightforward to just use "Chapter" and document the special names for "Chapter" in each series on that series' article, but that's just me. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:15, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Would you rather a godly hellish long URL address like Yu-Gi-Oh! - Chapter 001, Yu-Gi-Oh! GX - Chapter 001, Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - Ride 001, and Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Rank 001 ? I would rather just reduce them to Chapter 001, Turn 001, Ride 001, and Number 001 to make them more simple and unique enough to link straight to the certain volume and manga. As in order of those release, Original, GX, 5D's and ZEXAL. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:51, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree that the long addresses are a pain, but not all of the series have special names like "Rank" or "Ride". Although, we could use abbreviations, like, for example, "Episode 001 (DM)", "Episode 001 (GX)", "Chapter 001 (GX)".
 * @Dino - we use 'em 'cause that's how they're called in both the Japanese and English version, so it's 100% "official". And Wikia's rule #1 is: "Official stuff rules". So. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:11, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * No won'ered y u'r legendary. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:19, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fred: Considering those "godly hellish long URL address[es]" are basically what we currently work with, I don't see much point in arguing against such a change on the basis of the name's length. ;)
 * I've seen several systems for naming episode/chapter articles on various wikis; I think two of the most common are either the names of the episodes/chapters or some abbreviation of the series/season and episode/chapter number (e.g. "S1E14"). I kind of like the name approach, though that has potential issues with prev/next functionality when SMW is down, and we'd have to make sure we actually had the official, correctly-formatted names for those episodes/chapters that have had an official English release. I do, on the other hand, quite like your suggestion, Asari; one of my biggest (unvoiced ;P ) complaints with the current system has always been using a spaced hyphen-minus to separate the series name from the episode/chapter number, and using a parenthesized abbreviation at the end of the name instead feels much cleaner to me as well as addressing the length concern Fred mentioned (though it would require lots of new disambiguation pages). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:37, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's even better - but just to be caution with which one is pointing to the which, like ONS1E14 for Original, GXS1E14 for GX, etc. I know that it's just 2 more letter/characteristic than you original planned to do so. So what do you think of Dino's idea, Asari? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:48, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I wasn't necessarily proposing that as a possible system for us to use here, Fred, but merely pointing out that I've seen several other wikis use it. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:56, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think using "season" as a criteria would work well, since the Yu-Gi-Oh! series are pretty messed up in terms of season/arc division. But I'm glad you like the previous suggestion. Such a changing would requires hundreds of editions, but what do we have the bots for. 8D Although, if we're gonna change the nomenclature of the chapters/episodes, before doing so we should decide whether using or not "Numbers" for the ZEXAL episodes and "Turn" for the GX episodes. My vote already goes to "use". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:06, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Accel Footwork
I,ve been watching episodes this trap card was used and the way Alit says it is sounds like Accel Strike instead of Accel Footwork, I think it should be rename to that name.192.248.248.215 (talk) 05:35, January 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * In both episodes it sounded like that? I'll give it a check later today. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 10:04, January 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Are you sure about that? I just watched both the episodes to check it out and he clearly says footwork; it doesn't sound remotely like strike. Neos01 (talk • contribs) 10:28, January 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I also got "Accel Footwork" when I watched that episode. So it's not "Strike" or anything other than that name. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:43, January 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Um, we have a pic of the card clearly showing its name, and it clearly reads "Akuseru Futtowāku". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:18, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ok then.192.248.248.215 (talk) 21:52, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Shining Reborn
Unless "while/if" = "It must activate and resolve", then I'm not too sure about Summoning Hope would disturb Gilag's Death Hand. I'm just following what Rei says, and through that, it makes sense to me after everything resolves. 70.79.84.236 (talk) 01:32, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

History
Hehe, yeah... it doesn't work so well on pages with a huge history. Ask Delta about that change visibility thing he's doing. That's new to me. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:33, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Eyecatcher
Regarding. Screenshots from the middle of the episode are preferred rather than from the eyecatchers, aren't 'em? Just to be sure, before starting a do-undo with RexGodwin. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:57, January 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know myself. I would say that a shot from the actual episode would be better, but to my knowledge there's been no discussion about that at all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:41, January 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I also think a shot from the episode is better. The eyecatchers just show 2 characters with a boring background. A shot which shows an important event of the episode is much better (which's what we actually add in the episode articles). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:26, January 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly sure there's been no discussion about main episode images at all, but with the majority of pages using shots from the actual show, it doesn't look so good to have eyecatcher ones. There may be exceptions, but I personally prefer to screencap before the GX watermark shows up. I've been trying to avoid unnecessary fights with Rex over that, but if you can find better images than eyecatchers, add them. Maybe take it to the forum first, to get more votes and make this an "official" site rule; that way, we can refer to it easily in the future when needed (without having to find it through Cheesedude's archives). --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:56, January 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I'll be taking it to the forum then, and list to this discussion as well. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:43, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, if you wanna check it. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 15:58, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Sparrow Family
So, I finally created the articles for the characters of the show. But, three things.
 * 1. Should Number 83: Galaxy Queen (character) be merged with the character from the show, Galaxy Queen, or should they have separate articles?
 * 2. I redirected any mention to "The Sparrow" ("Robin") to Nelson Andrews's article. Should we create an article for the character, or a section in Fuya's article, or none of them are needed?
 * 3. I've downloaded the first episodes back 'cause (blah blah blah) and Ironhammer the Giant (character) doesn't appear as a character in neither episode 7 nor 8 (at least I didn't find it skipping the episode like hell searching for it). Do you remember if he makes any appearance as a character in any episode? Even if it's in a poster or something? (to take an image) LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:59, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1. Just put it in the same article in a different section, I think.
 * 2. Is there enough information presented in the show-within-a-show to make an article with at least two paragraphs in a bio section. If so, new article. If not, I'd say just put in a separate section in Fuya's article.
 * 3. IIRC, he actually talks when he's Summoned. I have no idea if that counts or not. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:04, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1. Roger.
 * 2. Okay, section in Fuya's article then. Then, when mentioning "Robin", I redirect specifically to the "Robin" section, right?
 * 3. All of 'em talk in the duel, somehow. But they're still A.R. visions of the cards, not the characters from the show. By the way, I just noted they give lots of information on the show during the Duel, guess I'll actually watch it and improve the characters' biographies then. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:10, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * 2. Yes.
 * 3. Then we can probably delete Ironhammer's article, unless Ironhammer's dialogue indicates something about his in-show character that was not shown. Does that make sense? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:19, January 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * 3. Yes it does. They tell his story in dialogue during the Duel. They say something like that he was gonna be discarded for having some defect but Robin saves him and he now serves as his sorta guardian, or something. Anyway, I'll watch it properly and add those stuffs in the biographies. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:29, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Along with Legendary's comment on "Ironhammer", it was such to be part of the show when Yuma interrupted; which made Astral missed that one. So yes, Ironhammer was such to be part of that details. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:18, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

5D's 36
This has been on my mind, but should there be a Trivia/plot hole section? The reason is this; 1 Divine says he was thinking of making Luna a member eventually, but gives no reason why, 2 Ruka does not have Psychic Duelist powers (the movement is a place for Psychic Duelists, which she isn't), so Divine has no use for her (all he knew about was her ability to talk to Duel Spirits, and we aren't given any reason as to how that was even useful to him), 3 Divine said he needed Leo to stay so Luna would (that heavily implies he had no plans of doing something that would kill her). It's like he just kidnapped her for no reason to advance the story (the anime has serious problems when it comes to Divine wanting Ruka). What's your stance on this? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 14:57, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's what Divine believed as of "Signer" mark on Ruka's arm, similar to Aki, and he thought that all Signers are Psychic at that point. Also, of that Tournament that Aki was prepared into, he must saw the strange action between Ruka and the opponent that lost in first Round, which added up the point that Ruka was a Psychic. So if that was true, then Judai should also be a Psychic, since he could see the Spirit easily. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:17, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fred, Divine never once said that it was because of the mark or thought Ruka was a Psychic Duelist (Yanagi just speculated that they were using the Signers for something, but Divine did not once say that). Ruka and Frank were just hypnotized in everyone elses view. Too bad episode 36 can't be re-done because it really needs to be (seeing a Duel Spirit is not a Psychic Duelist. Psychic Duelists manifest their cards and cause real damage, which Ruka does not have. 78 she didn't manifest them, her monsters appeared of their own accord). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 15:29, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, that's just my guess - though it's not mentioned or showed, I just thought that would be that way. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:55, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * My stance is "I don't know" and I didn't like 5D's enough to watch most episodes more than once. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:14, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * I respect that, I am also have a distaste on ZEXAL due to allot of "rip-off" stuffs they had done to previous three shows. So we are "cut from the cloth". At least I answered Shard's question(s) for you. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:56, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think it was a mistake. The writers wouldn't just forget that the Arcadia Movement is for Psychic Duelists or that Luca/Ruka hasn't shown Psychic Duelist abilities. Divine said that her power was mysterious, meaning he didn't know the full extent or true nature of it. Just because it's not what he's used to doesn't mean it's not of interest to him. He also showed interest in Carly's Dark Signer power. He was trying to harness one group of superpowered individuals to revolutionise the world. I don't see why he wouldn't at least investigate another mysterious power after a model opportunity presented itself. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:33, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good points, at least Divine got his bum spanked for tried to kill Carly in Original show (In the Dub, Carly just became Dark Signer without any sign of her death.) -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:37, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Delt there are a few problems with your argument that I want to point out. First off Divine only took interest of Carlys power in the dub. 2nd He was trying to harness an army of Psychic Duelists and send them into war torn areas (Ruka has no Psychic Duelist abilites. Carly could at least deal real damage in a Duel). I didn't say it was a total mistake; I said there were serious flaws that were clearly not taken into consideration. Do you want to reword the way it's put in episode 36 or no (re-looked and I can't see anything that's speculatory about it)? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 18:56, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * It looks good now. Thanks. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:54, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * The damage cause was related to the Dark Signer thingy. Like Jack and Yusei had done earlier in the Tournament when they dueled, and again when Yusei made his escape and met with Jack for first time in two years after Jack's escape. That has nothing to do with Carly at all. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:13, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm well aware of the Dark Signer thing in regards to Carly (I was merely bringing up that she inflicted real damage is all). The only reason Yusei and Jack caused damage before was because they were inside the Crimson Dragon. Episode 5 they were only injured due to being knocked out of their D-wheels. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 22:28, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Inside the Crimson Dragon? More of "hanging out" with that dragon. Also, can you explaining the broke hole in the track before Yusei could finished Jack off in Episode 5? I am sure that's part of the Signer power. And if it was lightning, then the glass roof should be already broken as it struck through to strike on the location. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:45, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * In regards to the episode 5 question, we can't say for sure they caused the hole (you had the momentum overloading and Crimson Dragon going roar crazy, etc). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 23:27, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Mr. Heartland's etymology
I'm not good with too obvious etymologies. :P Could you please help me out here? xD I don't think I could explain it well for Mr. Heartland... Oh, and by the way. Is it okay to just leave a "full appearance" file in the "appearance" section? I did so to Luna's article too, 'cause I had a great image of that but didn't feel like describing everything, so. :P LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:08, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Email
Hi Cheesedude -

I just wanted to check in and see if you received the email I sent you. I sent it to the email address associated with your account at Wikia. If that email address isn't the best one to use, will you get in touch with me via Special:Contact? Thanks! Jen Burton (help forum | blog) 22:44, January 31, 2013 (UTC)