Talk:Black-Winged Dragon

Deletion
THIS PAGE SHOULDN'T BE DELETED!!!!!! After all it is confirmed, any Modo assalto says it's because we know nothing about it's Level, ATK, DEF etc! WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS AND KOA'KI MEIRU MAXIMUS EXCEPT THAT THEY'RE BOTH DRAGONS, BUT KOA'KI MEIRU MAXIMUS ISN'T BEING CONSIDERED FOR DELETION!!!!!!!!!!!--AARONmeister 08:27, October 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete it.


 * Not that I disagree or agree, but you must give the reasons why you think it should be deleted. This is a discusson, not a vote.
 * AARONmeister, please don't shout. If you have an argument, we'll listen to it. Yelling at people isn't going to influence them (at least not in a positive way). "Koa'ki Meiru Maximus" being similiar to this case alone is not a reason to keep this page. It more likely means the "Koa'ki Meiru Maximus" page should be considered for deleted for the same reason. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:47, October 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well sorry but I made this page as I saw it wasn't already made, and now this? --AARONmeister 18:00, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I think that there should at least be an article of what we've learned about this card so far, such as whether it is manga-only or not. I am most curious of how, where, when, and who confirmed this card's existence. Is it the Fifth Dragon? Even if this card isn't real yet, there should be something to know about this card.--Dragonking 16:53, October 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Dragonking, it's mentioned as the cover card for a new pack called "The Shining Darkness", which we don't even have an image of. That is all we know. Dmaster (Talk • Contribs • Count) 17:00, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

If this card is confirmed as being the cover card for The Shining Darkness, it deserves an article. Remember back before Savior Demon Dragon came out, there was this same debate. If a card exists, even if the only thing confirmed about it is its name and the fact that it exists, it deserves an article. --Blackstone Dresden 23:58, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I think the page should be kept, but protected until we have all the details. That way, less crap gets added. And if any new info comes around, it can just be posted on this talk page. --Bluedog (Talk) 02:03, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

This page has not yet been created and needs the infomation first. There is no point of getting rid of it and then making it again 2 weeks later.

I say keep it. It'll be much less of a hassle to remake this with the confirmed info when it's released. Also, there are less red links. Toob 11:03, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Dont delete this page yet, there is no way of confering or dispiting the authenticity of this card or pack yet except a rumor, but isnt that how all ocg info reaches us? a rumor that gets confirmed as later days go by and more info becomes available. besides let it stay up it will provide more stuff for us all to talk about, like Absolute Powerforce theres a lot to talk about but little information to even be sure about.--Kazisaki 21:55, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not being considered for deletion because it's a rumour. This card is confirmed to be real. It's being considered for deletion, because we don't have any info on it apart form its name and the set it's released in. If it was just a rumour, it would probably be deleted on sight. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:19, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think this should be deleted b/c it's confirmed and it should stay an official page in Wikia. But it needs to be updated when the dragon shows up in the anime and/or when valid ATK/DEF is shown/revealed.

I agree-NO DELETION, if it was found then keep it and do some reaserch, someone found it's episode, for what we know we keep, I'll even check it on sunday or monday to make sure, maybe get a picture of the pack someone was talking about- get moving --User:The Black Rose Dragon 3:05, January 15, 2010.

Blackwing Dragon
Can't we assume that this card will be dubbed Blackwing Dragon, as Blackwings are called Black Feathers in OCG? B.F. Dragon/Blackwing Dragon... it just makes sense. -TehPurpleOne Talk 21:55, November 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * No, "Blackwing" monsters all have " ＢＦ(ブラックフェザー) " (Black Feather) in their Japanese names. This card spells "Black Feather" "ブラックフェザー", so it is not eligible for "Blackwing" support cards in the Japanese version. If we named it "Blackwing Dragon" that would make it eligible for "Blackwing" support cards. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:21, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Blackwinged Dragon?
What if the first guy translated it wrong and called it Blackwing Dragon and we corrected it with Blackfeather. Do we know what it looks like or know 100% it's OCG name? Of course I am just guessing, but I really want to know what this card looks like, and see the Fifth Dragon's card... --Azure Knight-Zeo 19:20, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're getting at about its name. It's officially been confirmed that its Japanese name is "ブラックフェザー・ドラゴン", which means "Black Feather Dragon" or "Blackfeather Dragon". All the "Blackwing" monsters Japanese names' have "Black Feather" in them too, but spell it " ＢＦ(ブラックフェザー) ", so this card's English name will not have "Blackwing" in it. If it did cards like "Against the Wind" would work on it in the English version, but not the Japanese version. The name that you mentioned "Blackwinged Dragon" would still make it a "Blackwing" monster.
 * If it turns out that "ブラックフェザー・ドラゴン" is not the correct Japanese name, the mistake came from official sources, so we can't be blamed and will correct it if it is proven otherwise. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:49, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

GRRRRRRRRRR
i wish they would show the picture already!!!!Hairball420 00:25, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

calm down no sense in being impatient, right now their building hype for the new set--Blackwing-John 00:52, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Everyone is just going to have to be patient

 * Seriously the shining darkness is rumored to come out in febuary at least if anything by febuary 20th there will be information on the pack and the card everyone can wait 1 more month right--EMPSBladeKnight60 06:13, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

AT LAST
At last that "Crashtown" plot will be finished and in Episode 94 the Blackfeather Dragon will make an appearance--Skroutz26 17:38, January 9, 2010(UTC)

Picture
Is there any way to make the picture a little bit larger, or are you just gonna wait for a better picture overall? --Sky Scourge God 05:47, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmation
Given somebody's penchant for locking pages, someone else will need to update this card's "Trivia" page (or other relevant location), as this card has been confirmed as the Fifth Signer Dragon as of February 3rd, 2010 via the anime.

Gerhardified 09:36, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

What?! That is a serious retcon! Blackfather Dragon and the original Fifth Dragon have completely different designs. Why the f**k did they decide to do that instead of actually showing the original Fifth Dragon? I really hope Luka, who saw all five dragons, will debunk this. Otherwise, the show has, in my personal opinion, jumped the shark.

P.S.: I'm not that this because of disliking Crow. I simply dislike blatant retcons and obvious errors (I'm looking at you, Kiryu, for using more than one Tuner for a Synchro Summon). MezzoDragon 14:34, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kiryu didn't use more than one Tuner obviously. You watched the episode, so clearly you saw him use Reloader as the Tuner.  It's not possible to miss that.  In the anime, Reloader was the Tuner and Beetle's were not.  Real cards not always =/= anime cards has been set in stone since even DM days.  ShinobiPhoenix 22:56, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * As because of that original fifth dragon is current Power Tools Dragon, as he was reincarnating into this form. --FredCat100 14:41, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Personally, I'm glad they went with a "Shut the hell up" level of blunt answering concerning BFD. It puts it to rest outright minus needing an explanation on the lost "Golden Gaia Dragon."  Still the answer is pretty obvious when people take their heads out their behinds.  The Dragons are for the SIGNER, not set in stone and transferred around.  If Yusei wasn't a Signer, Stardust would still be HIS Dragon.  As he is a Signer, it gains God's decree on it.  Showing them in the flashback was just backdrop for the story as they were the last one to battle the Jibakushin, but who is to say it was them 10000 years ago or 20000 years ago. ShinobiPhoenix 22:15, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * However we still do not have 100% Confirmation that BFD is in FACT the Fifth Dragon (again they do not look similar).Altyrell 22:24, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes we do. Jack said it outright... BLATANTLY and blunt as you could possibly imagine in Episode 95.  Almost too blatantly, as if the writers themselves wanted people to shut up.  Well... American fans, not Japanese.  People need to stop letting their prejudice dictate what they think the show should do, they are no writing it and I for one am glad because there's a lot of bad fanfiction out there.
 * Jack:  "Arega Shiguna no 5 Taime no Ryuu" (Translation: "This is the Fifth Signer Dragon")  Not to mention, I assume your Signer Mark and your FELLOW Signers' marks all glowing the moment your Dragon card reveals itself means absolutely nothing right?  ShinobiPhoenix 22:49, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you to ShinobiPhoenix for illustrating the fact that there are indeed some people on this site who possess and utilise a functioning brain. It could not possibly be clearer, and now all of those who just wish it weren't so can fall silent. And someone can finally update with what was so clear so long ago.

Gerhardified 22:57, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Look, all i am saying is that we should wait until we have even MORE Proof. Is it wrong to wait until further proof is released before jumping to conclusions?Altyrell 23:20, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

To answer Altyrell, among others, it has been clearly stated by characters, in a canon episode of the anime, that this is so. If we do not take the original as the source, then from where are we to draw what you would consider "proof"? Myself and others watched the episode and this, surely, must be considered something far beyond mere implication. It is time to appropriate the Mythbusters cattlebrand, emblazon "Confirmed" on this page, and put an end to this debate.

Thank you to those who took the time to write down the direct quotation.

Gerhardified 23:33, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

I understand, and the possibility that they could write that in but have him mistaken the Marks reacting for the 5th Dragon. I'm sorry for wanting to wait until we got further proof and reasoning as to why the 5th Dragon that was shown battling the Earthbounds in the past via Luna's vision is different in looks to the Blackfeather Dragon. That is what i am getting at, is that we would now need proof as to why the 2 Dragons look extremely DifferentAltyrell 23:37, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Unless they show that BF Dragon is the reincarnation of the real Fifth Dragon then it doesn't count as the fifth dragon! --Azure Knight-Zeo 23:39, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we should go by what Jack said. Even it turns out later that he was wrong, we would have been right to stick with what we were told. There's a difference between us following our own incorrect theories and us following a lie the writers gave us. Otherwise we should be questioing everything we're told in the series. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:42, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Insanely Broken
Okay, I dunno about you guys, but I think Blackfeather Dragon's effect is insanely broken. I mean, come on: an effect in which it can both reduce an opponent's monster's ATK and inflict damage to the opponent as well? Get real!

I'm not whining or complaining about this; I'm just trying to be reasonable, is all. --''' Yes, it's PSYCHID! He talks! He does stuff!''' 16:28, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really broken, considering how easy it is to get rid of this BFD with the cards we are able to use compared to what would cause damage. Yeah it is an Anti-Burn Deck Card but really, all that is needed to get rid of it is cards that either nuke or destroy, heck Book of Moon if it gets too many Counters.Altyrell 17:59, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Given that this card must receive a counter (and associated ATK loss), I would see it simply being run over as more of a weakness than Book of Moon, Compulsory Evacuation Device or any other Spell or Trap. After all, you need only ram a Colossal Fighter into it, which would cost you nothing. Still, I agree with Psychid45 to a degree: it does seem excessive that this card can both reduce an opponent monster's ATK and burn in the same movement.

Gerhardified 18:38, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

This is a Blackfeather monster. It has to be over-the-top and broken. Otherwise, it wouldn't fit the archetype. MezzoDragon 18:41, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's not a part of the Blackfeather BF/Blackwing archetype. DemonGodAsura 19:07, February 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was trying to make a joke. The entire Blackfeather archetype seems to be broken as can be. As such, anything with "Blackfeahter" in its name must be the same. MezzoDragon 19:09, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

This card really isn't broken at all, its a pretty situational card and other than stopping burn decks its not very useful. My friend and I were hoping it would have an effect that would support blackwings a lot like special summon them to the field or prevent them from being destroyed, then it would be broken(like Blackwing Armor Master). --DeaththeKid

True, then it would be, but, given its status as a Signer Dragon, it can't be seen to favour one series or archetype of cards over another.

Gerhardified 03:11, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with phychid because this card could potentially set up an otk in combination with bwing Zephyroz the Elite--Bwinggale 23:10, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

This card really isn't as good as people think it is, Burn Damage is something pretty rare these days in the Meta game. Most people try to just use brute force to overpower the opponent. I personally think this card is an insult to Blackwings. (Yes I know it isn't actually one.) But, as with any card, it has its usesNeo-Spacian Adanac 20:22, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Translation Correction
If the new translation correction is now more accurate (or, crazier still, entirely correct), this card just became absolutely devastating if you its user have multiple monsters available to clear away all of the opponent's monsters.

Gerhardified 15:16, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia/Anime
Stop putting the parts about the attack name and the effect difference in the trivia! They belong in the anime section! They happened in the anime, they go in the anime! No where else! So stop putting them in the trivia!--Tapper930 21:50, March 2, 2010 (UTC)