User talk:Ryusui

Japan Translation
Maybe you should discussion this with Wasn&#39;t instead of discussing on my talk page. He's a dope. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  10:03, June 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Done, done. Hopefully a few examples will make him realize just how little he knows. There are few better ways to make an ass out of yourself than to take what little knowledge you have on a subject and proclaim yourself an expert. (Believe me. I've been there. -_-;)


 * BTW, I saw the discussion, and while you're right that リバイス can't be made into "Leviath", the context calls pretty strongly for something of that nature. The extraneous "a" reinforces the proper pronunciation of the "i"; it's not strictly accurate, but it's a necessary evil. (Me, I'm amazed in retrospect that Konami made the same fudge I did.) Context can be your best friend and your worst enemy: I wouldn't have given "Revise Dragon" a second thought if it hadn't clicked that the name was meant to be a play off "Leviathan".--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 10:44, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Still, I don't want him to make an ass on each article that possible to have same symbol of Japan's words/letters, but I just want to be sure that this site is keeping it flow smooth. "Revise Dragon" was from Shriek OCG News site, it's listed there and we used the Shriek OCG News site for each background information. So just let "Revise Dragon" being alternate name for now, when official name revealed in TCG/OCG, we can change it and kick out unofficial one out. And again, my talk page is not the discussion article, if you wanna continue discussion with Wasn't, just go to Forum article and discussion there instead. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:23, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Recent Edits to Utopia and Chaos Utopia
Putting this down here to head off the inevitable backlash against my recent edits. If the point behind giving the Japanese names is having a literal translation to check any changes against, then the name "Aspiring Emperor/King/Whatever Hope" shouldn't be listed as factual.

希望, as any dictionary or online translator will tell you, means "hope." (The noun, not the verb.) Yes, Google Translate gives "aspiration" as an alternate meaning, but let me ask: would you call Uria "the Lord on Searing Fire," or Raviel "the Lord besieged by Phantasms," or Hamon "the Lord Struck by Thunder"? For that matter, would you translate Yu-Gi-Oh! as "the King who is a Game"? (Yes, different "ou," but similar meaning.) The exact meaning of 皇 is ambiguous, but the sentiment of the name is not. Utopia does not "aspire"; he rules aspirations. He is the Lord of Hope, and considering that "Hope" on its own is kind of a wussy name in English (just ask Final Fantasy XIII), I'd say the name change was well justified.

Also, about his Chaos Number version, which I'm well aware I haven't named: as I said in the edit history, there's nothing indicating his name should be interpreted as two words. I'm well aware that guarantees nothing except that it might be hyphenated (such as per ブルーアイズ・ホワイト・ドラゴン/"Blue-Eyes White Dragon"), but I do strongly believe it's meant to be a portmanteau of "Hope" and "Pray". Even if it is meant to be a play on "a ray of hope" (which, ironically, would imply something weaker than Hope itself), I do think the name looks better spelled as a single word.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 10:08, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Stop changing the name! We use Aspiration because if we don't, then it would be repetitive. It is Emperor, not King; check the Talk Page. ZW is the only card that is like that. We can't base the whole Wiki on that example. Also, maintain the order of the original title. It must be Aspiration Emperor - Hope, not Hope, Emperor of Aspiration or Hope, King of Hope. Mad Rest 15:57, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Self-Destruct Button
Consider his intestines reorganized. I'd usually issue a warning first, but I have no tolerance for page move vandals. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:40, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Thanks
Not at all. There are plenty of archetype pages that don't list the Japanese names in the lead, they only list them in the infobox. So your mistake isn't exactly a hard one to make. Need to get around to adding that to the rest one of these days. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:44, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

A few archetype translation questions
I've been editing "Six Samurai" and "Legendary Six Samurai" cards recently to conform with the consensus as to what an archetype is that was set down in an exhaustive forum discussion. "Six Samurai" seems to be inconsistently referred to as "Six Warmasters" or "Six Warmen" in the OCG, if the card pages even list a translated name at all. Which is the more proper translation? By extension, is it "True Six Warmen" or "True Six Warmasters" for "Legendary Six Samurai"?.

Secondly, most of the "Armor Ninja" and "Ninjitsu Art" pages list the translation as "Mechanical Armor Ninja". Per your edit to the "Armor Ninja" page, this is incorrect, yes? It's just "Armor Ninja" (possibly "Armored Ninja)"? Is there any credibility to "Mechanical Armor Ninja" at all?

Also, do you have any idea what the answer is to the question posed in Dinoguy's first comment in this conversation? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:24, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm honored you'd seek my opinion on this subject. :3


 * My research suggests that 武衆 is an invented term: it doesn't show up at all in JWPce's built-in dictionary or on alc.co.jp, Google translate gives it as "Moo Shu," and the first thing that comes up in a Google search happens to be, you guessed it, the Japanese Wiki's entry on the Six Samurai.


 * 武 connotes war and combat: 武器 is a weapon, 武士 is a warrior (and, of course, 武士道 is the way of the warrior), etc. 衆 is a bit harder to pin down: it denotes masses or crowds, and alc.co.jp's first three entries all suggest troops. So while I won't say this is the final word on the subject, I'm tempted to suggest 六武衆 should be translated as "The Six Armies," or perhaps more fancifully as "The Six Battle Clans": the Japanese name suggests they are not the sole members, but rather the leaders or perhaps representatives of six allied factions.


 * 機甲 means "mechanical armor" in the sense of "armor for machines": "Panzer Ninja" would have about the same connotation. So no, there's nothing wrong with "Armor Ninja." All my translation sources give that meaning.


 * Yes, by the way, there is a difference: 「X」と名のついた, "with 'X' in its name," which as far as I can tell is used consistently in effects that call for a family of cards sharing a particular identifier. Effects which call for a specific card use only the name. It's worth noting that the TCG is less consistent on this front: note that if taken literally, Number 12: Crimson Shadow Armor Ninja's effect would only affect monsters called "Ninja."--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 21:36, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's good to have users that know Japanese. One tends to get bogged down with a lot of requests to translate stuff, so I thought I'd go to you instead, knowing you've dealt with archetype name troubles before. I recall Deltaneos saying he trusts your translations, and that's good enough for me. Thanks for the quick response.


 * Interesting. Not sure what we'll do with this one. I may bring it up on the article's talk page with a link here. Oddly, if it wasn't for the other translations being here in the first place, I'd have just assumed they were always Samurai.


 * So in other words, whoever put "mechanical armor" was doing a translation that was a bit too literal, then. Alright.


 * Good. We were very much hoping there was a difference, otherwise "Amplifier" could be equipped to "Jinzo - Returner" and so on and we'd have to restructure some of the archetype/series pages again. So something that supports "Ancient Gear" would be clearly delineated from something that supports "Ancient Gear". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:06, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Glad I could help.


 * The Jinzo issue is sort of a translation glitch - the original name is 人造人間－サイコ・ショッカー, while Jinzo - Returner is 人造人間－サイコ・リターナー. That is, in the Japanese version, Returner's name doesn't include Jinzo's entire name - it's rather a variant thereof. (And for what it's worth, 人造人間 means "Artificial Human" or "Android," but in practice it seems used just as much for cyborgs as well: JWPce's dictionary even gives "cyborg" and "robot" as its two translations.) In brief, yes, Amplifier's Japanese card text refers to Jinzo in a way that can't be taken to mean another card with Jinzo in its name.


 * As for Ancient Gear, the card's own text is an example: its effect works if there is another Ancient Gear already on the field, not another Ancient Gear monster.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 01:27, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. That works then. Since it doesn't contain the whole name, "Jinzo" isn't an archetype then.


 * Oh no, I know that. Even if the TCG wording isn't the best, it does make it clear enough which is which. It was just another example I was giving. I was clarifying that that's what you actually meant. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:33, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well. If I'm reading the discussion correctly, yes, "Jinzo" isn't an archetype - that would connote a keyword used by a family of cards and their support. Though they do have a common keyword, as noted on the "Jinzo (series)" page: in the Japanese version, they all share the root 人造人間－サイコ. Going by Returner and Lord's nomenclature, the "classic" Jinzo would be "Jinzo - Shocker," although this has a problem that there's nothing in the US version differentiating the three from the old Jinzo #7 card, unlike in Japanese (where he lacks the サイコ designation). At any rate, they have no support (apart from the Shocker-specific Amplifier), so the argument is moot - I'm just clarifying what I meant earlier.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 01:43, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, perfect. Thanks again. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:53, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Language in Summary
However I have been warning by other Admin; it also approve to you - do not using any foul language anywhere, included your own talk page and any kind of summary. I actually watched that subbed; saw it to be Underworld so leave it alone please. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:44, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, what you saw was a sub that translated 冥界 as "underworld." Literally, it means "dark world"; in context, it means the realm of the dead. The Ancient Greeks would call it "Hades"; the Ancient Hebrews would call it "Sheol." In modern English, we would call it either "the underworld" or "the netherworld"; given that we have the notion of a "criminal underworld," the latter is more explicit as it can only mean "the realm of the dead." Justifications aside, the fact remains that both are legitimate translations of 冥界, but only one is official: "King of the Underworld" is not "the Japanese name," but rather the unofficial (although functionally equivalent) translation.


 * Also, where exactly did I use language? Neither "bowdlerize" (to censor for perceived offensive content) nor "fudge" (to dodge or cheat) are offensive, to my knowledge.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 17:58, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Translation can permission both, so they are leaving alone.
 * Though they seemed not that much offense to you; but they still affecting the socialize - other still find it offense and maybe insult. So that is a warning. So next time I see you using either of those words; I am sending an Admin straight to you, ok? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:11, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't call either of those things offensive. And he wasn't using them as insults, he was making a general statement. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:46, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * As a further point, I'm not wholly sure this is our regularly scheduled FredCat speaking. Look up at the top of my talk page: FredCat has posted here before, and he didn't talk like he was running his posts through Babelfish.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 00:58, January 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sometimes he has trouble conveying things properly. English is his second language, IIRC. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:13, January 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, Cheese's right, I am having my own problem with my language; alright? But those words you used are still offense to me, sorry. So please halt using them. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:16, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

VWXYZ
Would you take a look at the Japanese lore for "Hyper Coat"? That card's page history has listed it as supporting separate "V", "W", "X", "Y" and "Z" archetypes, listed it as supporting each individual VWXYZ monster and several other things. It was equipped it to "VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon" in the anime, and I can't be sure it was a support card for it or for any VWXYZ derivative. What does it actually specify as valid targets for its effect? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:41, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can't decide if I'm hoping it specifies each of "V", "W", "X", "Y", and "Z" as separate archetypes, or am dreading the thought. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:52, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * To be fair, they were linked like X . I'm hoping there's something there that's going to specify the five base monsters and the fusions in some way or just Catapult Cannon. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:57, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * The original lore specifies "a Machine-Type Monster with either 'V,' 'W,' 'X,' 'Y,' or 'Z' in its name." So yes, the English translation given is wrong. It works with any of the VWXYZ monsters or combinations.


 * On a random note, this is the first time I've noticed that the shoulders of VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon are formed by X-Head Cannon actually holding the arms formed from Z-Metal Tank in its hands. Also, "VWXYZ" is read "V-to-Z" on the original Japanese card - using the American pronunciation of "zee" rather than the British pronunciation of "zet" (as per Z-Metal Tank and XYZ-Dragon Cannon).--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 03:48, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Alright, not so bad.
 * Dinoguy, we don't need to worry anyway. If I'm understanding correctly, the Japanese names of those cards have the actual English letters in them, so it's not asking for a monster with "X" in any part of its name. So I think that the VWXYZ series as a whole are the only valid targets. I don't see any worth and making separate archetypes pages for each, since they'll just have one monster each. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:17, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, they do actually have the letters in their names even in the original Japanese. And for what its worth, other monsters that have those same letters (such as the X-Sabers) don't apply, as the card specifically says "Machine-Type."--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 05:30, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Unless I've been operating under false assumptions, we haven't been screening archetype members according to any specific requirements featured on support cards (otherwise, most archetypes would just feature Monster Cards, since most archetype support cards specify '"X" monster(s)'). So the question instead comes down to, can the effect of "Hyper Coat" be applied to any Machine-Type monster with at least one of the letters "V", "W", "X", "Y", or "Z" in its Japanese name, or is it specific to the "VWXYZ" monsters, even beyond specifying Machine-Type targets? Based on what you've said, Ryusui, the answer seems to be "it can apply to any such Machine-Type monster", which is an argument for a new group of archetypes, which, because of my opening comment, would include all cards with one of these Latin letters in their Japanese name, regardless of whether they're a Machine-Type monster, much less a "VWXYZ" monster. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:18, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * It could in theory, though it seems pointless to split hairs and declare the individual letters to be archetypes in and of themselves, since this is the only card - an anime-only one, at that - which would "support" them. If anything, since this is the only VWXYZ support card and it applies to every monster in the VWXYZ set, I'd simply lump any hypothetical alternate valid targets under the VWXYZ archetype/series.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 06:40, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * This wouldn't be the first archetype to be defined based on a single, anime- or manga-only support card, though I do agree that, at least in this case, creating separate archetypes for everything would probably be more trouble than it's worth (though history has shown that I'm liable to change my mind on this type of stuff, and I definitely wouldn't stand in the way of someone else creating the pages and marking cards =D ). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:13, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * As much I usually advocate consistency, this is taking it too far. I agree with just lumping them together. Going to have to reword the lore of "Hyper Coat" in some way. Doing so and specifying that they are technically archetypes should suffice, I think. Thanks, again, Ryusei. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 07:43, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Always glad to help.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 07:46, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Can you translate this?
See here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:39, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Cemetary Blade Equip Spell Card The equipped monster gains 800 ATK. You can banish this card from your Graveyard; add 1 card from your Graveyard to your hand.

You're welcome.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 02:09, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. For whatever reason, the source I usually use skipped that card entirely. All the rest of the cards from the same chapter were there, so that was odd. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:10, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Always glad to help.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 03:29, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Attack Cannon

 * Please take a look at this Japanese lore. Does it really specify an "Attack" archetype?
 * ...and take a look at the lore of "Aura Armor" and tell me if its a Trap Monster or if it Summons a "Player Token". I have the feeling the token article is just total BS, but can't be sure.
 * I'm going through every anime/manga only card and trying to standardize everything. I'm about to finish "A". So don't be surprised if I keep contacting you about this kind of thing. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:11, April 1, 2012 (UTC)