Forum:Sept. 2010 banlist, very near!!!

-Hello. I'm very nervous because the next banlist is very near. What do you think will get hit. I say this:

FORBIDDEN


 * Battle Fader(what's the sense of playing if ALL decks have this!?)
 * Sangan(just a felling, but maybe not at all.)
 * Necroface(also just a felling.)

LIMITED


 * Dandylion(DandyWarrior decks are cool, but too much is annoying. Limit this card to 1 again.)
 * Infernity Launcher(Infernity Deck is broken deck.)
 * Infernity Archfiend(same with Infernity Launcher.)
 * Infernity Necromancer(i think this can be limit only to 2 or not get hit at all.)
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier(maybe at 2.)
 * Some parts of Machina Archetype. (I don't know who, but just a felling, or can also be at 2.)

-I think I have forgotten some cards, but this are the ones always in my mind.

Jampong (talk • contribs) 03:12, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Battle fader will be Ban maybe semi limited is not the big deal, and sangan I really don't think so. Necroface is good at being in 1

I totally agreed with the limited list......I still think Blackwing blizzard should be limited, and xsabers nothing to ban from them? ..... like limit gottoms emergency call and semi limit summoner monk and BAN rescue cat. MobiusxXx (talk • contribs) 03:58, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

-That's what I forgotten. Sad, but true. Rescue Cat is still broken.

Jampong (talk • contribs) 04:29, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I hope they don't limit Dandylion, it may be repetititve, but it's one of the few cards that really help out my Vasuki Deck, as for Battle Fader I think it should stay at 3, (and I just hope they reprint it as a common, or at least a rare, what's the point of an anti-OTK card if only rich players can have it?) HouseholdCatDeity (talk • contribs) 04:42, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Dark armed dragon is broken and should be banned for ever

Sangan has been nice and cool in the Limited List for a long time, and nobody raised an alarm. Necroface Decks have been waning in popularity ever since Necroface slipped to 2. I don't think your felling here would be an accurate prediction. I doubt Battle Fader would get banned at all, since it is a very good way to avoid OTKs, which is something Konami strongly wants to evade. Machina Fortress is probably the only part of the Machina archetype to be affected, and it's still kinda unclear over whether it'll be Limited or Semi'd. Anyway, we still have a couple of months to the next list. Bear with it... --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 06:29, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * I feel the following is the most sensible List:
 * Forbidden
 * "Rescue Cat" (Too powerful of a play for any Deck that revolves around, or utilizes, this)
 * Limited
 * "Battle Fader" (Look at Gorz and Tragoedia, and you see the trend)
 * "Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier" (This really shouldn't surprise anyone, but I can see it staying where it is because of this)
 * "Infernity Launcher" (Some make the case for Archfiend, but you only need 1 Archfiend for the loop to go off right)
 * "Mass Driver" (They did it to "Magical Explosion", and Konami doesn't like FTK's, so this should be expected)
 * Surprise card "Dust Tornado" (People maining 2-3 of them sounds like it's destined to be the next MST-like limitation)
 * Now for some other thoughts:
 * "Dandylion" - It's a good card, but it is far from broken, even in Dandywarrior Decks. Besides, Dandywarrior was popular at first, but it's struggled recently, so it's not like it's a key cog in a top competitor.
 * "Machina Fortress" - Another good card that fits just one Deck. It may be consistent, but it's not overly popular, and it has the same track record of Dandywarrior: 1 top of 3 events, and dwindling numbers.
 * "Cyber Dragon" - "Cyber Dragon" hasn't done much of anything since its return from the Limited list, despite fears of it. If anything, "Chimeratech Fortress Dragon" has made it a dangerous card to use, no longer a multi-Deck staple, and more of a Side Deck counter.
 * "XX-Saber Darksoul" - It only exists in the TCG for now, and won't make its way to the OCG until next summer/fall, so this card won't be touched (Konami doesn't restrict TCG exclusives until they are imported to the OCG and can make a splash). In fact, no "X-Saber" card will be touched due to the near non-existence in the OCG. Because of this, this means that "Rescue Cat" may also stay Limited, as it hasn't had the impact on the OCG that the TCG is experiencing, due to the lack of "Darksoul".
 * DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 08:06, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * What about Allure of Darkness being Semi-Limited in the TCG before it was released in OCG, though?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 11:50, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I find the little arguments against Battle Fader slightly flawed. The thing about Gorz and Tragoedia is that they have the potential to fight back. Gorz has his pure stats along with the Token he can possibly summon. Tragoedia can do more tricks in addition to its variable stats. Battle Fader does neither once it has let the player live for that extra turn. I have doubts that Dust Tornado will also be seeing any places in the List. What separates it from MST is that it's a Trap (dodges brick) and so needs to wait that extra turn to use its effects. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 11:13, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

My 2010 Advanced Format Changes
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Nothing really, but if anything Rescue Cat

LIMITED

Battle Fader

Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier

Infernity Launcher

XX-Saber Darksoul

Infernity Archfiend

Dandylion

Judgement Dragon - (though Lightsworns are pretty much dead)

SEMI-LIMITED

Ronintoadin

UNLIMITED

Advanced Ritual Art

Neo-Spacian Grand Mole

Ceasefire Kageakumo 00:37, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Frogs can still do insane stuff with just 2 Ronintoadins. Advanced Ritual Art can still make a few Demise Ritual decks scary, I'm not sure about this. Grand Mole should never be back at 3, it's just cheap bounce. Ceasefire can still a lot of damage, no way they are going to unlimit it. Battle Fader saves lives, it puts a stop too insane OTKs, 0% chance that it will be on the banlist. Most importantly, I hate Lightsworns too but JD should never be Limited not with how crippled LS are right now.

My opinion

Forbidden

Rescue Cat (IDK, just a feeling cz this card works in too many deck. sabers, Fabled, FlamvellCat, GBs)

Limited


 * 1) Infernity Launcher (if Konami don't do this they're %#%$#@)
 * 2) Infernity Archfiend (the same)
 * 3) Trishula, Dragon Of The Ice Barrier (they should do it earlier))
 * 4) XX-Saber Darksoul (Konami can always have a different TCG Banlist. like the one with Brionac)

Semi

XX-Saber Faultroll (their handburning ability with faultroll loop must be lowered) Neos lover (talk • contribs) 04:42, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's usually no need to do the Faultroll Loop in most cases, so that's unnecessary. With Rescue Cat banned, it's already a big hit on X-Sabers, so there's not much point in hitting anything else. Same goes for Infernity Launcher - once you ban it, Archfiend getting a hit too is unnecessary.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 04:56, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

yeah launcher is the real threat. however, i disagree with yami wheeler x-sabers are a huge threat and the faultroll loop wins games--Bwinggale (talk • contribs) 17:46, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, Grand Mole is very slow and really is not used any more, the same goes for Ceasefire. As for JD, he's all forgotten about but he is still too dangerous to be at two. Yes XX-Saber Darksoul should be limited, that deck is having too much fun with that monster right now. Those Infernity cards really have to go, along with Infernity Necromancer. --Kageakumo 18:34, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

My thoughts
FORBIDDEN

None I think...

LIMITED

Infernity Launcher

XX-Saber Faultroll

Royal Oppression

SEMI-LIMITED

XX-Saber Darksoul

Infernity Barrier

Advanced Ritual Art

Ronintoadin

Machina Gearframe

Machina Fortress

Ally of Justice Catastor

Battle Fader

Test Tiger

Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner or Necro Gardna

UNLIMITED

Neo-Spacian Grand Mole

Cyber Dragon

Ceasefire

EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 18:22, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

If they did unlimit Neo-Spacian Grand Mole and Ceasefire it would be amazing. With 3 Grand moles someone could easily bounce one of there strong monsters and attack directely and if they manage to take out grand mole another one would be right there waiting. For Ceasefire, one could easily deal 2000 or more damage when you or your opponent are using synchro material and against an Infernity deck, it kills

I don't know about Ceasefire but Neo-Spacian Grand Mole won't be that usefull when used in three. EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 00:04, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

= New Thoughts on the Sept. 2010 Banlist.. =

FORBIDDEN


 * Rescue Cat
 * Necroface(I can debate w/ this one!!!)

LIMITED


 * Dandylion(To slow down DandyWarrior Deck. But if this doesn't get hit, it's either the next two cards below.)
 * Drill Warrior or
 * Quickdraw Synchron
 * Infernity Launcher
 * Infernity Archfiend
 * Infernity Necromancer
 * Ronintoadin(Damn, FroggyMonarch deck is fast because of this. But can be at Semi.)
 * Machina Gearframe(Having rumors that this will get hit instead of Machina Fortress. this will slow down the deck.)
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
 * Pot of Duality(Damn Draw Engine in any deck that don't Special Summon, or decks that doesn't Special Summon to much.)
 * Cyber Dragon(can remain untouch or back at 1.)

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Gladiator Beast Bestiari(if Rescue Cat gets hit, this card has the possibility to be at 2.)

UNLIMITED
 * United We Stand(just like Mage Power, but it depends.)

Jampong (talk • contribs) 14:15, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

How does Rescue Cat affects Gladiator Beast Bestiari???. Neos lover (talk • contribs) 14:29, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Explain the banning of Necroface, the semi-limiting of Gladiator Beast Bestiari, and the limiting of either Drill Warrior and Quickdraw Synchron --Kageakumo 18:37, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Dandylion needs to remain at Semi. It is an ESSENTIAL part to any deck that uses Quickdraw Synchron and why mess with him, maybe Semi, but why??? Rescue cat ain't going anywhere at this point, it ain't a broken card. United needs to stay where it is. The back row is easier to get rid of then the front anyway. And with so many decks that swarm, United can make some very powerful monsters--BassNettoHikari2 (talk • contribs) 19:57, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Rescue Cat could affect GB Bestiari, yes. Imagine a Gyzarus wiping out your field on the 2nd turn. Pretty much at least agree with these predictions, but for Necroface, hmm, I pretty much doubt it'll be banned. UltraSynchron (talk • contribs) 04:19, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why Pot of Duality should be limited. It is only a deck thinning card that helps you get a choice from the top three cards of your deck in stead of having to draw to it. It isn't a draw engine. Anyway if you aren't going to use the card right away your oppenent knows you have it because you have to reaveal the top cards of your deck. 101earthking101 16:23, July 5, 2010

Unlimit Lightsworn...
At least make Lumina or charge at 2.... and semi some zombies like mezuki 118.136.188.123 (talk) 12:04, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hit those decks that are too damned strong!
I would personally like to hit the top tier decks like "Saber", and "Infernity"! --SilentHero26 (talk • contribs) 13:56, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * "XX-Saber Faultroll", "XX-Saber Boggart Knight" or "X-Saber Airbellum" I like to be semi-limited. Heck they swarm the field like there is no tomorrow! Give others a fighting chance! How about "Rescue Cat" be banned for once?
 * As for Infernity, those traps that are too abuse-able! "Infernity Launcher", seriously? Semi those!

Dudes... so much Infernity hate here HAHA

Infernity Necromancer does NOT deserve to be hit... this guy has no priority... Infernity Archfiend should only be semi-limited at most

All konami needs to do is limit Infernity Launcher and then they will be run over by the top decks.

Limiting ALL of those Infernity cards listed above is just overkilling...

IMO, the deck that needs to be hit are X-Sabers and Infernitys... nothing else much... Akyrix (talk • contribs) 14:20, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Akyrix, but they should easen up towards Lightsworn and Zombies like Lumina and Mezuki at two. And I would really like to see the return of Crush Card Virus. Also Destiny Draw should be at two. Konami should let the better decks be good and not destroy them. EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 22:07, July 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * And I am surprise that no one remember "Mirage" of Infernity. With him stay at 3, would still make Infernity OTK at high. So here's my list;
 * Ban
 * N/A
 * Limited
 * Dandylion
 * Drill Warrior
 * Infernity Launcher
 * Infernity Archfiend
 * Infernity Mirage
 * Semi-Limited
 * Mezuki
 * Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner OR Charge of the Light B. (choice one or other)


 * --FredCat100 (talk • contribs) 22:28, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Forbidden

 * Goyo Guardian with gold series 3 and all the new Blackwings

Limited

 * XX-Saber Faultroll Sudden 2400 Atk Beater
 * Infernity Launcher
 * Black Whirlwind with gold series 3
 * Substitoad just searches for treeborn and all other frogs if not one of the other 2 bellow
 * Treeborn Frog
 * Monarchs

Semi-Limited

 * Battle Fader Not much use with Swift-Attacking Scarecrow coming out
 * Machina Fortress
 * Quickdraw Synchron Why not use the other synchrons for a change?
 * Dust Tornado

Rescue cat should stay because they can't just take out a decks main card.

Yes they can, they did so with Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End and Yata-Garasu. They had even banned the all Chaos cards once (Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning and Chaos Sorcerer). EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 22:49, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Monarchs aren't powerful enough to be Limited or even Semi-Limited. The way to stop Monarchs is to hit whatever broken Tribute fodder they have, and I don't think they have any. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 23:29, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

People somehow keep forgetting there's this card... --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 01:32, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ban Limited Semi-Limited
 * Goyo Guardian
 * Black Whirlwind
 * Witch of the Black Forest (This will be Limited specially)
 * Krebons
 * Sangan
 * DAD
 * Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind

I don't know who Ban cards but please limite Witch of the Black Forest-- Zeratul 100  Mi Discusión  23:25, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I think Enemy Controller should be semi-limited, it's way to good, taking control of an opponents monster in his turn is incredibly useful. Enemy Controller works as a gamemaker as well as a great defense.EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 11:10, July 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, controlling an opponent's monster comes with the price of Tributing one of your own. That in itself is a bit of a hefty cost, and unless you're playing with Tribute fodder, Tributing one of your own monsters for temporary control of your opponent's isn't exactly the best idea unless you plan to do something else with that. That goes double if you're trying to do that on your opponent's turn. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 01:32, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Even though, the tribute necessary for Enemy Controller can be the best part. For instance I tribute my Goblin Zombies so I can also get another Goblin Zombie, Zombie Master or even Plaguespreader Zombie. That in my opponents turn giving me his strongest creature is really usefull, I use Enemy Controller a lot and I've seen how much it can do. You're right to about the Tribute fodder, in other decks it can be a very high price, that's why I think it should be semi-limited and not limited. EvilHeroDarkGaia (talk • contribs) 01:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think imposing a limit, semi or not, would make a big change to this. I've tried running triple Controller in my Macro Monarch Deck which would be all too happy to abuse the hell out of this, but more often than not I've found myself just dropping it down to 2 for space purposes. I'm also guessing that many people who play this card would run an average of about 2, so Semi'ing this card won't have much of an impact on the game while injuring the minority who run the card in triplicate.
 * Also take note that the banlist is designed to moderate the metagame - the reason why Cold Wave got hit lately was because someone maximised its potency in a certain meta deck, and this soon spread to many other meta decks so they can deal their finishing blows. When's the last time you saw Enemy Controller in a meta deck? --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 04:42, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

2010 Banlist
Forbidden List:

1. Rescue Cat (This card is just too broke as everyone is aware of, and since it seems like X-Sabers and Infernitys are the only decks topping now they'll probably be banning this for sure. There's been rumors of it going to 2 for the new beast support coming out, but I doubt that it'll ever go higher then 1 ever again)

Limited List:

1. Battle Fader (I see this getting getting limited for a few reasons. First of all, Tragodia is limited and Gorz is limited as I saw in someone elses post, it's a pattern. Second People that run Battle Fader in decks often run them in a play set of 3 [unless there idiots] and they most likely are running Gorz and Tragodia, now thats five cards that can stop an OTK or just a free Special Summon from your hand. Now third of all, lately the format has been real trap heavy, so it's to much of a pain to clear the field, if you can even do that this format and then get hit by a Fader, Gorz or Trag. Then have your oppenent tribute it off for a Caius next turn. It sucks to have to worry about there hand when they only have 1 or none cards on there field. It's kinda dumb in my opinion)

2. Trishula (Ok this card is just ridiculous needs to be limited end of story)

3. Swap Frog 4. Treeborn Frog 5. Rodinntodin 6. Substitoad (Ok all the frogs are just to broke, even if all of these were at 1, THEY'D STILL be good. Dupe Frog can search the needed stuff that they need to get it going. I don't feel like explaining the whole thing cuz it would take to long but anyone that knows what I'm talking about should agree with me)

7. Bottomless Trap Hole ( This card is just too good as well. It is run in EVER meta deck, you destroy then remove the monster from play. It doesn't even target and you can use it on any summon with a moneter with 1500+ Attack, and lets see that like...oh I don't know, ever deck! Not to mention I'm tired of seeing the same exact traps in ever deck it'd be nice to see some variety.

Semi-Limited List:

1. Infernity Launcher 2. Infernity Archfiend (Now these cards will either get Limited or Semi-Limited. It all depends on how hard they hit X-Sabers. People can side in like crazy against Infernitys. It's not to hard to get around them with the right side deck. And if Limit it then ONLY X-Sabers will win everything. If they end up doing something drastic with X-Sabers then they'll most likely limit Archfiend and Launcher)

3. Mezuki (I don't see why this is at 1. Plag is at 1, Goblin is at 2, Card of Safe return is banned. And it's an Earth type, not a dark. Zombies are barely tier 2 now, even with it at 2 you only heard from Zombies every now and then. It's not broke, it's just good for Zombies. This needs to be at 2. All the good cards the make it great are either banned or limited)

4. Mind Master (Psychic OTK was REALLY good in the OCG, but never got to see it in the TCG, this should be at 2 for the fact that this deck is REALLY easy to side against and One for One is limited. The only Psychics ever seen are either Krebons and sometimes Psychic Commandor)

5. Lightsworn Summoner, Lumonia (Lightsworns are pretty much dead with the limiting of Charge of the Light Brigade, is limited, and Honest is at 2. I don't see the problem with this at two since it was already hit HARD, I don't ever see Lightsworns ever even topping anytime soon so they should just put it at 2 and keep it there)

6. Chaos Sorcorror (Just for the fact that I think Twilight needs to come back a little bit)

7. X-Saber Faultroll (Just too good with X-Sabers needs to be Semi Limited, I wanna see Dark Soul go to 1 but I doubt it will since it's a TCG but they might so we don't know yet)

Unlimited List:

1. Magicain of Faith (WHY THE %&*# IS THIS CARD BANNED?! What deck would possibley run 3 of these?! Lightsworn? Blackwing? X-Sabers? Infernitys? I don't think they would. The card isn't that great anymore, exspecially with all the good spell cards banned like Monster Reborn, Card of Safe Return etc.

2. Cyber Dragon (I say this because Cyber Dragon just really isn't that good. I wanna see the Cyber Fusion decks back. I wanna see former metas play against the newer metas I think people would like that and it would keep the the format from be dominated by 2 or 3 decks)