User talk:Dinoguy1000

Bug update
The archetype navboxes still don't seem to be working right. I thought all of that was fixed. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:47, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Guess those Admins are little lazy. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:49, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I certainly am, but I can't speak for the other admins... ;) Cheesedude, can you provide links to archetype navboxes that are still not displaying correctly, and specify how they should be displaying? Without examples and knowing exactly what's wrong, I may not be able to fix them. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:24, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * See Yokai Monster It's displaying members that appears in the TCG and support cards from the manga. Manga-only monsters are not displaying for whatever reason. Also, the navbox at Blackwing is missing massive amounts of cards in all three subsections. I don't know of any others off-hand, but I'm sure there are some. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:49, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've tried applying some fixes to ArchetypeNavbox and assorted concepts, but SMW's behavior seems to have changed in several ways in the most recent update, and I was never really familiar with it in the first place. If my changes don't fix the missing cards, you'll probably have to ask Deltaneos to have a look. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:52, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I hate to say this, but whatever you did appears to have removed the manga support cards from the Yokai Monster navbox. I'll contact Deltaneos, then. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:12, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh, I have to admit, that's awesome. =D Here's hoping Delt can fix/has fixed it. ;) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:14, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Apparently the problem is that redirects are no longer accepted for the navboxes. Since some archetype pages were moved, this mucked it up. I actually sort of forgot about moving the rest of the archetype pages, but now I'm glad I did, since there's cleanup to be done, which would be easier with a bot's help *hinthint* Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:46, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm horribly inconsistent in running my bot. ;) The problem is, I add rules for it to fix issues as I come across them, and I have the problem of trying to add rules that are beyond my capabilities at the time, so I stop with the intention to revisit them later, and it never happens. The most recent thing responsible for this is an attempt to auto-add the animanga appearances templates; I suspect there's a bug in AWB's regex handling but I'm dragging my feet about reporting/asking about it. =D
 * In any case, if you give me a list, I can make a bot run specifically to update archetypes (and the more I can do at once, the better *hinthint* ). 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:15, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Update list
The following need to be changed from their plural forms. For archetype, archsupport and archrelated, where applicable.
 * Advanced Crystal Beasts → Advanced Crystal Beast
 * Aliens → Alien
 * Allies of Justice → Ally of Justice
 * Alligators → Alligator
 * Allure Queens → Allure Queen
 * Apes → Ape
 * Archfiends → Archfiend
 * Archlords → Archlord
 * Armed Dragons → Armed Dragon
 * Armor Monsters → Armor Monster
 * Armored Ninja → Armor Ninja
 * Assault Mode → /Assault Mode
 * Assault Modes → /Assault Mode
 * /Assault Modes → /Assault Mode
 * Attribute Fields → Attribute Field
 * Attribute Spirits → Attribute Spirit
 * Baboons of the Forest → Baboon of the Forest
 * Bamboo Swords → Bamboo Sword
 * Barrier Statues → Barrier Statue
 * Batterymen → Batteryman
 * Blackwing Tamers → Blackwing Tamer
 * Blackwings → Blackwing
 * Bugman → Crashbug
 * Bugroths → Bugroth
 * Burning Skulls → Burning Skull
 * Charmers → Charmer
 * Clock Knights → Clock Knight
 * Cloudians → Cloudian


 * Cosmic Synchro Monsters → Cosmic Synchro Monster
 * Counter Fairies → Counter Fairy
 * Crystal Beasts → Crystal Beast
 * Cups → Cup
 * Cyber Girls → Cyber Girl
 * Cyberdarks → Cyberdark
 * Cybers → Cyber
 * Cyclers → Cycler
 * D-Hero → Destiny HERO
 * Dark counterparts → Dark counterpart
 * Dark Counterparts → Dark counterpart
 * Dark Mimics → Dark Mimic
 * Dark Scorpions → Dark Scorpion
 * Darklords → Darklord
 * Destiny Hero → Destiny HERO
 * Destiny Heroes → Destiny HERO
 * Djinns of Rituals → Djinn of Rituals
 * Doll Parts → Doll Part
 * Dragon Lords → Dragon Lord
 * Dragunity Arms → Dragunity Arma
 * Dragunity Knights → Dragunity Knight
 * E-Hero → Elemental HERO
 * E-Heroes → Elemental HERO
 * Earthbound Immortals → Earthbound Immortal
 * Egyptian Gods → Egyptian God
 * Elemental Hero → Elemental HERO
 * Elemental heroes → Elemental HERO
 * Elemental Heroes → Elemental HERO
 * Elemental Searchers → Elemental Searcher
 * Evil Hero → Evil HERO
 * Evil Heroes → Evil HERO
 * Field Searchers → Field Searcher
 * Flamvells → Flamvell
 * Fortune Fairies → Fortune Fairy
 * Fortune Ladies → Fortune Lady
 * Fossils → Fossil
 * Frogs → Frog
 * Gadgets → Gadget
 * Gadjiltrons → Gadjiltron
 * Gaia Knights → Gaia Knight
 * Gardnas → Gardna
 * Gem-Knights → Gem-Knight
 * Gemknight → Gem-Knight
 * Gemknights → Gem-Knight
 * Geometric Knights → Geometric Knight
 * Gladiator Beasts → Gladiator Beast
 * Goblins → Goblin
 * Guardians → Guardian
 * Gun Dragons → Gun Dragon
 * Harpies → Harpie
 * Hecates → Hecate
 * Heralds → Herald
 * Hero → HERO
 * Heroes → HERO
 * Hidden Knights → Hidden Knight
 * Infernities → Infernity
 * Infinity (archetype) → Meklord Emperor
 * Inverz → Steelswarm
 * Inzecter → Inzektor
 * Iron Chains → Iron Chain
 * Jars → Jar
 * Jesters → Jester
 * Jurac → Jurrac
 * Juracs → Jurrac
 * Jurak → Jurrac
 * Juraks → Jurrac
 * Jurracs → Jurrac
 * Kings → King
 * Landstars → Landstar
 * Lavals → Laval
 * Legendary Dragons → Legendary Dragon
 * Legendary Planets → Legendary Planet
 * Lightsworns → Lightsworn
 * LV Monsters → LV Monster
 * M-HERO → Masked HERO
 * M-Heroes → Masked HERO
 * Machine Emperor → Meklord
 * Machine Emperors → Meklord
 * Machine Imperial Soldier → Meklord Army
 * Machine Imperial Soldiers → Meklord Army
 * Magnet Warriors → Magnet Warrior
 * Mainspring → Wind-Up
 * Majestic Mechs → Majestic Mech
 * Majestics → Majestic
 * Majus → Maju
 * Masked Hero → Masked HERO
 * Masked Heroes → Masked HERO
 * Masked Knights → Masked Knight
 * Masks → Mask
 * Match Winners → Match Winner
 * Meklord Armies → Meklord Army
 * Meklords → Meklord
 * Meta Hunters → Meta Hunter
 * Metal Counterparts → Metal counterpart
 * Mokey Mokey (series) → Mokey Mokey (archetype)
 * Monarchs → Monarch
 * Morphtronics → Morphtronic
 * Moths → Moth
 * Motors → Motor
 * Mummies → Mummy
 * Mystic Swordsmen → Mystic Swordsman
 * Neo Flamvells → Neo Flamvell
 * Neo-Spacians → Neo-Spacian
 * Nordic Beasts → Nordic Beast
 * Nordics → Nordic
 * Ogre Grottos → Ogre Grotto
 * Ojamas → Ojama
 * Parshaths → Parshath
 * Penguins → Penguin
 * Phantom Beasts → Phantom Beast
 * Piece Golems → Piece Golem
 * Poker → Poker Knight
 * Poker Knights → Poker Knight
 * Princesses → Princess
 * Quiz Panels → Quiz Panel
 * Reactors → Reactor
 * Resonators → Resonator
 * Ritua → Gishki
 * Robos → Robo
 * Roid → Vehicroid
 * Roids → Vehicroid
 * Roses → Rose
 * Sabers → Saber
 * Sacred Beasts → Sacred Beast
 * Sacred Knights → Sacred Knight
 * Sad Stories → Sad Story
 * Sealed Beasts → Sealed Beast
 * Silent Magicians → Silent Magician
 * Silent Swordsmen → Silent Swordsman
 * Sky Scourges → Sky Scourge
 * Speed Spell → Speed Spell Card
 * Speed Spells → Speed Spell Card
 * Spheres → Sphere
 * Spiders → Spider
 * Spirit Messages → Spirit Message
 * Symphonic Warriors → Symphonic Warrior
 * Synchrons → Synchron
 * Synthetic Angels → Synthetic Angel
 * Tech Genus → T.G.
 * Temporal Machine God → Time Lord
 * Temporal Machine Gods → Time Lord
 * The Agent → Agent
 * The Agents → Agent
 * Toon Monsters → Toon Monster
 * Toys → Toy
 * Turbos → Turbo
 * Ultimate Insects → Ultimate Insect
 * Unicorns → Unicorn
 * V-HERO → Vision HERO
 * V-Heroes → Vision HERO
 * Vairon → Vylon
 * Valkyries → Valkyrie
 * Vampires → Vampire
 * Vehicroids → Vehicroid
 * Vision Hero → Vision HERO
 * Vision Heroes → Vision HERO
 * Volcanics → Volcanic
 * Wheels → Wheel
 * White Warriors → White Warrior
 * Wicked Gods → Wicked God
 * Worms → Worm
 * X-Sabers → X-Saber
 * XX-Sabers → XX-Saber
 * Yokai Monsters → Yokai Monster
 * Zombie counterparts → Zombie counterpart
 * Zombie Counterparts → Zombie counterpart


 * There may be some pages that are still using "Machine Emperor", "Machine Emperors", "Meklords", "Machine Imperial Soldier" and "Machine Imperial Soldiers". The first three should now be "Meklord" and the last two should be "Meklord Army".
 * There's also a possibility that there are some pages still using OCG archetype names before the TCG names were confirmed. "Inverz" should be "Steelswarm", "Tech Genus" should be "T.G.", "Rituas"/"Ritua" should be "Gishki" and "Vairon"/Vairons" should be "Vylon". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:14, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * All right, I'll try to get started on this later today; in the meantime, list any others you think of/come across/rename. ;) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:29, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * You got it. I should time to move some more pages tomorrow, assuming we do want go through with moving the rest of the pages. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:32, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's been several months now since this was started, and (as far as I know) not one person has posted a comment saying they think it shouldn't happen, much less providing any sort of argument as to why they might think that way. The people who were reverting the moves probably just didn't understand why the pages were being renamed. I'd say, start up again. ;) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:45, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * When I said "Admin", I don't referring to Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia's Admins, I am referring to one who was such to improve and flipping the wikia (general) sites. They are little lazy for not complete this part. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:03, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Aah, I see. A better term for Wikia employees would probably be "sysadmin" or "staff". ;) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:12, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yup, that's them. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:21, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Maybe it's time to take out the cheese out of his skull... He just took his name out of this article like a foolish! *shake my head in pitiful* -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:18, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ehh, maybe he just needs a bit of sleep... ;) It takes a lot of skill to be able to edit wikis when you're dead-tired and not make huge mistakes (of course, if Cheesedude *wasn't* tired, then I have no idea what caused him to slip up like that) (and yeah, I'm speaking from personal experience here). =D 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:08, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure, let's go with that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:07, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * ^@^ 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:46, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

It's Super Effective!-- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:01, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * *had some experience with Pokemon just now* Machoke, Sleep Powder!
 * Cheesedude is now sleep*


 * Heh. I hated Zubats myself... The little bastards, always using "Confusion"... =P 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:11, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * FredCat, I'm pretty damn sure Machoke can't learn Sleep Powder. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:09, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then explain this; http://www.halolz.com/2010/11/28/machoke-used-pound/ (Had to put on nowiki to prevent the click-able) -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:39, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Someone decided to redirect "Masked Hero" to "Masked Hero". Now I cannot find the actual page content in the edit history anywhere. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:18, April 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Special:Undelete/Masked_Hero is it somewhere there? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:21, April 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Got it, thanks Falzar. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:24, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Done. All pages that are still at plurals are because their singular forms have actual pages, or because I thought the plural form made more sense in that case (Six Attributes, for example]]). Hopefully I didn't miss any. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:57, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about those screw-ups and fixing the "Valkyrie" page. I did the same thing at "XX-Saber", but I think I fixed it. Not really sure what I did that caused that. Seems I somehow moved a page to the same name multiple times. <_< Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:17, April 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's possible you inadvertently double-clicked the "Rename page" button on the move page. I do that every once in a while with the "Publish"/"Save changes" button on edit screens, and thus edit-conflict myself. ;) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:22, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blank kanji parameter tracking?
Is there a way to create a tracking category for card pages that have a "kanji" parameter that is blank? There are several pages like that I created, and was unable to find the kanji anywhere. I didn't feel like sitting there and finding each individual character from another card page, so I left them blank. I'd like to be able to request that someone add the kanji in, but I'd like to do it all at once. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:08, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's easy enough to do. I've actually been thinking for a while about adding a tracking category for cards that don't have any Japanese name given at all; I think we'd be best with tracking categories for no Japanese name, blank "kanji", "kana", "jpname", and "phon" parameters, and a Japanese name but no romaji name (romaji name without Japanese name should be covered by the first one, I think). 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:03, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * In addition to the name, can we have a tracking category for "japlore" as well? Blackwings0605 (talk) 06:39, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, definitely; that's one thing I've been intending to do for quite some time. I've never liked the parameter name, and intend to replace all instances of it with "jplore" (if no one beats me to it) and then remove it from CardTable2. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:23, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes. "jplore" is definitely make more sense than the "japlore". Blackwings0605 (talk) 07:40, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * That, and I've never liked the abbreviation "jap" for "Japan[ese]", considering it was an (albeit mild) derogatory term used during WWII (AFAIK; that's how it's always seemed to me, at least). 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:45, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Another tracking parameter question
Would it be possible to create one that lists pages that use any of the anime/manga appearances templates, but that do not have an associated Card Appearances page? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:37, June 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not currently (it is possible, but would first require a modification to Card table anime and manga appearances). On the other hand, it *would* be trivial to do the same check for the anime/manga appearances parameters, though. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:34, June 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Would changing the template mean having to change it on every page again? As for the parameters themselves, that doesn't particularly help me, to be honest. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:57, June 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, it would just be adding an invisible bit to the output (some class name or something; I'll have to do a bit of thinking on what the best thing to add would be) that CardTable2 can then check for. I'll probably do this anyways, just so we can track pages with appearances parameters that don't use the templates yet. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:01, June 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Awesome. Let me know when you get around to it. No rush, though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:06, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Template:Rename and Template:Rename media
I can't remember if there was any significant reason why these were given separate templates, given they can easily be merged with an ifeq. Do you know of any reason or do you think we should merge them? -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:02, July 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not really; you were the one who created them both, so I just assumed that you had a good reason for it. ;) As for the merge itself, it could pretty easily be done as you say, but it won't be terribly elegant (unless I'm not seeing just how you're suggesting it be done ;) ); this shouldn't keep us from doing the merge, though, since I can look at doing a more graceful code merge any time. =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:46, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was thinking  or is that the messy version you were thinking of? -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:25, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's the messy version I was thinking of. ;) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:38, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Question
Can we put the "Bandai" version of any card in a archetype it belongs to like "B. Skull Dragon (Bandai)" in "Red-Eyes" archetype 23:24, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks "Fredcat" I though I put 4 of " ~ " I don't think anyone is upset.--Wasn&#39;t (talk • contribs) 23:33, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, I just said it to be casual. So just watch to your fingers' move; ok? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:40, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I'm not sure whether we should or not (but if we do, we also need to do the same for Capsule Monsters, DDM, etc. versions of cards where they exist). None of these cards are playable in the current OCG/TCG, though, so I'm thinking probably not. Delt, do you have any thoughts (since I'm pretty sure you stalk my talk page ;) )? 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:02, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh you and your petty sixth sense, Dino... -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:13, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * He doesn't have six scene; he's only guessing. How can stalk talk page? Anime-only cards are also listed in any related archetype even they aren't in OCG/TCG like "Masked Knight" series so we could do the same with other "Yu-Gi-Oh!" games like what you mentioned: "DDM" The only side ▼side to this is space like with the "HERO" series.


 * Pretty easily, actually; it's just a matter of watching others' talk pages and occasionally commenting on discussions that you're not otherwise a part of. ;)
 * Anime-only (as well as manga-only and video game-only) cards are listed as parts of archetypes because, other than a far looser ruleset (at least for the anime and manga), there isn't a difference between these media and the actual OCG/TCG anything like the difference between the OCG/TCG and the other card games such as Bandai; most OCG/TCG cards are, in fact, first introduced in the anime, manga, or a video game. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:55, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Indeed. At this point, this talk page and Delt's may as well be extensions of the forum. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:57, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Forum:Talk to Dinoguy1000 and Deltaneos"? =D 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:00, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * So can we put the Bandai, DDM, in the archetype their related to even if....--Wasn&#39;t (talk • contribs) 21:19, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm still leaning toward "no", but as I said above, I'm wanting to hear Delt's opinion first. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:40, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would also say no. I can't think of a compelling reason to put them in. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:56, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think Deltaneos is here or he might not reply to this.--Wasn&#39;t (talk • contribs) 20:38, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw it. I just didn't have much to add when I first read it. Are there any archetypes within other games? There's "Hecate" in Bandai if that counts. It is possible to filter out other games when making list pages, but ideally if that can be avoided it should, because lighter SMW queries are less of a strain on Wikia's servers. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:06, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * lighter SMW queries?--Wasn&#39;t (talk • contribs) 02:08, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lighter SMW queries are one which strain servers less. Generally the less filters, the lighter the query. e.g., which gets a list of all monsters with less than 3000 ATK has one item.  , which gets all monsters with less than 3000 and greater than 2000 ATK has two items and is considered to be a  heavier SMW query.
 * To the point, I've just noticed that Template:Archetype navbox has a section for Bandai cards. 'Thought I should mention it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:39, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * How many archetypes are there in the Bandai game (and are all of them documented here)? Since we've agreed not to add Bandai etc. cards to TCG/OCG archetypes, and since the Bandai game will never get new cards now, I think we might as well just use hardcoded navboxes for any Bandai archetypes, and remove that code from Archetype navbox. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:30, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you go by a really strict definition, you could say none. Possible archetypes within the Bandai game would be "Exodia", "Gate Guardian", "Harpie Lady", "Hecate" and maybe "Blue-Eyes". Archetypes from other games which have cards in Bandai include "Archfiend", "Dark Magician" and "Red-Eyes". -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:18, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Do you think any of them besides the Hecates are worth documenting? Should I go ahead and remove the Bandai support from Archetype navbox? 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:53, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Chatmod
Thanks for pointing that out, I wasn't aware of the fact that admins got already that parameter and I wanted to test it on the chat. By the way, we definitely need to open a new thread about naming chatmod. We had a few RFA specifically about that already... Wilimut Talk Mail Paris, 14:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you can see what user rights any particular user group has from Special:ListGroupRights. ;)
 * We've had some discussion about it already; the main problem, I think, is that none of the really regular contributors are on chat often enough to know which chat regulars are trustworthy with the tool (if a regular contributor who is on chat all the time is reading this, you should totally call me out on this assumption =D ), so any such requests ultimately come down to "whose word do we trust more". (this isn't meant as an argument against a request for chatmod process, of course; just an observation on one of the difficulties we may have with it) At this point, we just need someone to take the initiative and spend the time setting the process up. 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:23, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Still Don't Understand
Shonen Jump only prints official stuff. Perhaps it's not officially released by Konami but I'm pretty sure that it will be official sooner or later. Why not just say that? BF2 Talk  Deck Guides 22:38, September 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * See my comment in the forum (basically: better safe than sorry). 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:43, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Moving Questions
I am wondering why two Admins (Deus and Falzar FZ) commented on my talk page about me moving the questions from Discussion Talk page into Forum. They made it sound like it's illegal thing to do, though the Admin Cheesedude permission me to do it alright. I know that's little oddly for me to questioning you here because I am not sure which Forum that this part of discussion was going to be in... -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:32, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reading Falzar's comment, it sounds like he's primarily concerned with the anon or editor being able to find the question after it's been moved, which is indeed an important consideration.
 * Moving the comment to the editor's talk page pretty much guarantees that they'll see the answer in most cases, but isn't terribly useful for other people who may have the same question and who actually know enough to check the forum.
 * Moving the topic to the forum, on the other hand, does pretty much the opposite, if you don't do much of anything beyond that.
 * Simply replacing the question with a talkheader and a message that the forum should be used for questions doesn't help anybody; certainly not the person who asked the question, and not others with the same question.
 * So, the best method is a combination: if you're not aware of a forum discussion that asks and answers the same question, move the question to the forum (and answer it, if you want to and know the answer), change the new redirect to a "stub" talk page with a talkheader and a note to post questions in the forum, and leave a note on the talk page of the person who posted the question explaining that you moved their question, with a link to its new location, and explain that in the future, they should direct further questions of the same type to the forum, since they're far more likely to be seen by someone who knows the answer there, and can help other users out after the fact (and remember to be friendly! the person just came here with an earnest question; they probably didn't know about our policies, and are far more likely to come back for other questions and whatnot if their first experience is a friendly, positive one). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:13, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I did that last suggest twice, ever informed them that I moved them. And the one Falzar jumped on me, was not exist at that time I "removed" the question from Talk Page - I did learning some lesson from the past. So if either Admin came on me once more; I will just post up the new line in my Talk Page that could talk about my responsible. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:23, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Feel free to point them here, as well. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:39, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Done that part, so I should go and fishing Cheese with his favorite coffee cup... -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:45, September 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's about time he finally realized his mistake... -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:32, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Editing the list of Dragons
This list has both "Poke Dra" and "Poki Draco" listed, but they're the same card. Could you fix this please?

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Dragon-Type_monsters Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:13, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * How about now, did that fix it? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:19, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Quick image policy things.
I thought it was agreed at one point that anime card articles that have no real or video game equivalent should use the Japanese image, since they have actual information on them. Not sure why I'm not putting this on the talk page for the image policy, but meh. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:15, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's possible; I hardly remember every single conversation I've participated in on here, much less all that have happened. If you're sure of this, go ahead and change the image policy, and if you can find the discussion you're thinking of, link me to it. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:36, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe it was something Falzar said in an edit summary at one point or another, and I just assumed I'd missed the conversation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:16, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I remember seeing that in someone's edit summary before.
 * Then after that I mentioned it a few times in some of my own ones.
 * (The search is taking longer than I thought it would so I'll just leave a message first.)
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:46, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * ^ For some reason that took a few mins to save... and it saved twice even though I clicked once...
 * Here it is. 13:02, September 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's good enough for me, unless Delt randomly pops by and says otherwise. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:10, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Poll
Is there a way to track who voted on the categories on the Poll code, ? I ask because I help BF2 on the Weekly Deck Competition, and we kinda want to know if there's a way to block a username from voting, so people can't vote for themselves, but just for a specific forum post. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  03:31, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, unfortunately there isn't.
 * If you need it to be like that, why not do this instead of a poll? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:36, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * How would a bot help me? I know they are used to perform repetitive tasks, but I'm also not sure how to operate one as well. -- - Dark Ace SP™  ( Talk )  12:58, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am referring to how he made the poll on that page. Under the headings Support and Oppose, with users signing where they vote. Instead of using that automatically generated poll. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:29, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Negative Level
Do you know the reason why cards with Negative Level (e.g: Dark Diviner) fail to display their level correctly in the card table like other cards? Blackwings0605 (talk) 06:25, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because of some miscoding going on around the handling in CardTable2, or possibly something in Repeat (either way, he root cause is insufficient testing on my part). Remind me later and I'll look into it; it's really late here and in a few minutes I'm getting a shower and going to bed. 「 ディノ 奴  千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:58, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Bump? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:07, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * A random guess on the problem would be that repeat doesn't handle negative numbers, and that there was no absolute value function of any kind being used on it to tell it to show 5 images instead of... -5... error. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:33, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's almost definitely what the problem is. I could've sworn I specifically tested for using negative values with the template, but maybe not... I'm gonna check and fix the problem in a second anyways, so it doesn't really matter much. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:04, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * There, fixed. Easy enough. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:06, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Flags
Why only a flag? In the section in English there are more flags Set Card Galleries:Ancient Sanctuary (TCG-EN-1E) Set Card Galleries:Ancient Sanctuary (TCG-SP-1E)--Mahad mx (talk • contribs) 03:59, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * I asked Deltaneos about the flags back when I was working on my boilerplate; he said we really only want one flag per usage (this is actually how the flags had been getting used for a while, so it was more an affirmation of current practices then a reversal). Other than that, though, it comes down to a question of "what flags would be included" - for any given set with a European English release, for instance, can you give a full, correct list of the countries it was officially distributed in? Same for worldwide English sets. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:30, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Kickbanned
Dude I'm the one usually having to keep the chat calm while you admins are away. Then you kick me? dude you need to learn about a situation before you overreact. Whatever I'm done with this. All day i have to deal with the little kids fighting with each other and asking advice and saying their random ass crap, and you know i bother keeping the one or two dudes who are stuck in chat alone company during the day. but now i'm done with you guys, because on every occasion you people start crap with each other. I'm done. —This unsigned comment was made by FreelancerRaiko (talk • contribs) 01:56, September 12, 2011


 * I kickbanned you for your use of profanity, though I would've been more than justified in kickbanning you for never seeming to do anything but cause strife in chat. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:58, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Interesting question
Category:Cards that need Card Images has a problem. There are some listed cards that don't and NEVER will have card images, unless circumstances change. They have very slim chances of ever being used in the anime/manga again and even slimmer chances of actually being made. Anyway to suppress an auto-added category? The word "need" implies that a a card image exists and that we don't have it. In this case, we don't have it because it's impossible to have one. Maybe a separate category for such cards? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:53, September 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * An override would be pretty easy, I think (and, in a certain sense, one is already possible: simply specify an image); perhaps for such cards, we should be using a particular image other than a card backing (though you've got me on what such image might consist of)? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:13, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Image policy
Do we? I had thought the "hierarchy" was real card > video game > anime/manga. Which I don't agree with, since most video game images don't have the whole card. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:35, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have no idea; I simply wrote what I had the impression of. If card>VG>series is indeed how we do it, though, now would be as good a time as any to change it, since I don't agree with that either. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:44, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Well, I guess we'll wait for Delt then. XD. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:45, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

New Problem from the Feline
Hey, since you're a Temple Editor - so that could mean you could know how to managing the Deck Table, right? I have a problem in my own article - it's "Crystal Hamon's" Deck table that seemed to including each other of topics below the one it is current sitting. I put in "Nowiki" link to prevent it from happening so I could let you to check it out - This article is what you should look for. If you see the problem, just lemme know immediate. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:59, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I fixed it for you - the problem was one of the spans; instead of properly closing it with, you accidentally omitted the slash, which opened another span. From there, it was a matter of the parser choking on it, and brokenness ensued. =) 「 ディノ 奴  千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:06, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * D'oh! No wonder why I screw that one up. Thank you for cover it up :-) -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:08, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem; I've learned the hard way to pay attention to closing tags. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:10, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Translators list
You've III listed as an English and Spanish translator here. I assume this is a mistake or has he made Spanish translations? I don't know what to change it to myself. He sometimes translates Japanese to English, but I don't think he's ever translated any language to Japanese, since he only posts official Japanese material. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:37, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, so I have... I added him in March, but have no idea which edits might've led me to do so. I'll remove "Spanish", then. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:41, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * He translated the Spanish name. Blackwings0605 (talk) 00:48, September 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * The Spanish name was already there. He just moved the parameter up a few lines. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:49, October 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have seen him adding a couple of Spanish names since this was asked, unless I'm crazy/seeing things. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:09, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

<_<
>_> <_> Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:10, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Too much sugar in your coffee again? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:16, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nah, just this... =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:18, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, if it's any consolation, I'm going to be getting email-bombed for hours with notifications on pages added to the new tracking/maintenance categories (though principally Category:Card table transclusions with outdated appearances parameters). =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:21, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Meh, the code looks cleaner now. I'm still annoyed though. Also, what tracking cats did you add? And for the record, I use Equal in my coffee. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:23, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would've set it up like that from the very start, but the idea (and the implementation) didn't occur to me until just a few weeks ago (though I have had an inkling of something like it for a month or so, which is why I'd stopped updating card pages to use the appearances templates as I came across them). On the upside, it'll be almost embarrassingly easy to get my bot set up to strip the parameter input down to just the needed comma-delimited list. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:28, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * And the tracking categories (I swear, I didn't forget! =D ):
 * Category:Card table transclusions with outdated appearances parameters
 * Category:Card table parameter tracking (name)
 * Category:Card table parameter tracking (cardgame)
 * Category:Card table parameter tracking (cardgame2)
 * Category:Card table parameter tracking (anime_ddm)
 * Category:Card table parameter tracking (manga_ddm)
 * Mostly tracking use of "rare" parameters, as you can see. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:32, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then why did your eyes set up like that? (Wall-Eyes) -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:30, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I should have said something you then. I always wondered why it wasn't like that to begin with. I just assumed that it couldn't be, since I don't know nearly as much about wikicode as I should. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:33, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would say I should have thought of it then, but I didn't know enough about StringFunctions and #arraymap at the time to know it was possible (if you recall, I originally designed the appearances templates to require one episode number per parameter, and only later updated it to require one parameter containing a list of any number of episode numbers, after learning more about SF and #AM). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:36, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, I don't remember that at all. Let's never mention it again, yes? Anyway, I'll start using the new system as I edit then. If you change it again, give me some warning if you can. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:48, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah right. The only way it could be simplified at this point is if I figured out how to get templates to watch/read episodes/chapters and identify cards, and automatically list them. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:52, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know. I was still in sarcasm mode in that point. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:35, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Should be me, because I dyed his coffee with teabags. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  03:50, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Tea is fine. I like tea. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:04, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was in full-on sarcasm mode then too. Guess I should've used a http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Irony_mark_full.svg/6px-Irony_mark_full.svg.png. =D
 * Also, tea is awesome, I really should drink more of it. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:13, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Unofficial names
Do you have a list of languages for which a card name would always be unofficial? Meaning that YGO products have not been released in that language? For that matter, are there any? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:01, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not really... I should probably make a list of languages with official distribution of one or more YGO media one of these days, though. AFAIK, only those languages with official media licenses are actually shown in CardTable2, though I don't know if it displays all such languages; anything that only gets stuffed in an SMW property *should* be unofficial no matter what.
 * When tagging a name as unofficial, if it's something like Turkish, I'll usually tag whatever I come across. For stuff like Greek and Thai, I'll tag it if I notice the given name getting changed, though this isn't perfect since card names are sometimes changed even within licensed media (several examples of this can be found on the various pages in User:Montechristo95's userspace). If a given media has not yet had an official English release, I'll usually tag everything but Japanese as unofficial, since it is (should be) incredibly rare for e.g. an episode/chapter to be released in French or German or something before its English release.
 * Any other questions? =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:12, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting.
 * Yeah, if the English name is unofficial, everything else pretty much is in almost any case.
 * Who would win a fight? Mega Man or Bomberman? I mean, none for now. That's what I meant. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:42, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I dunno, I've never played much Mega Man, and I don't think I've ever played Bomberman. Yeah, Delt may be able to tell you a bit more than I could. You could also look at the lists of licensors on the anime series pages, though I have no idea how accurate those actually are. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:53, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Dumb User
Check his history of why he just being dumb. Time to pull a Ban Hammer out of crevice we never want to know and smacking him down. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:45, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've blocked him for two hours; let me know if he starts up again after the block expires. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:56, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, remind YamiWheeler too, because he joined the force with me to falcon punch him back. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:58, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh btw, that user you locked up not so long ago is possible to be dead by the blow on the head. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:26, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

*break down the wall*
*opened the door and let you come in before back out to the article that required your helps to fixing and locking up* -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:25, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I got an email notification for it. I'll check it in a minute. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:27, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * So I am an "Email Notification"? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:30, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nah, the page is on my watchlist (along with all the other Forbidden/Limited list pages), so when it got edited a bit ago, I got an email notification. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:36, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good to know, if I had been one, then I should find the little clip and removed it from my body. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:40, September 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * To be fair, though, I do also get an email notification every time my talk page here is edited... ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:10, September 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's good that only Admin can get them - it irritated me so much. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:16, September 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, anyone can get such notifications; it depends on how you have your email preferences set. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:21, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Quick Question
Forum:Some new usergroups, is there any word if you guys are ok with people being given admin ship rights to move pages and stuff? I just want to know, so I could possibly ask for that right. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  04:20, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's not what that forum discussion is about; rather, it's asking if there's support amongst editors here to request for the creation of new user groups from Wikia staff. One of these groups (the one with the most support, and the best chance of being added) is a "mover" group, which would be able to move pages without a move throttle, move files, and suppress the creation of redirects when moving stuff. However, we haven't actually gotten around to requesting the group, so we're not yet able to grant it to anyone. You're more than welcome to request adminship anyways, but I don't think you're very likely to get it just to be able to move files and not have a move throttle, unless our request (when it's made) is explicitly turned down by Wikia staff. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:54, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, alright. Well thanks for your answers. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  02:19, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Keeping NC images
I recall a discussion where it was agreed that we shouldn't delete NC images just because we have the image of the card. Do you remember where it is? seems to want to have a word about it. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:49, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I want to say it was somewhere in the forum, but I can't remember for sure (I also want to say that I was the one who specifically said "let's keep them"... hmm). =/ I think one of us needs to start a discussion index (in the project namespace?) so we can reference these types of discussions in the future without having to look everywhere for them... 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:57, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * I actually had thoughts of suggesting to make a forum sticky which lists any major changes and any updates to how things work here. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:12, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Feel free to start it (unless you just want to punt the job back-and-forth with me until Delt/Cheesedude/Poirot/Huajun/Fredcat/whoever gets fed up and shouts at us/starts it themselves... =D ). =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:31, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * tehe. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:37, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Discussions took place here and here. I'm in favor of keeping NC images in the galleries regardless. Even if we don't do that, the NC images themselves should be retained. They work well for episode/chapter article images.
 * Thread is a good idea. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:33, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Chatmod nomination
Hello Dinoguy i am very privalaged for you to nominate me as a chat moderator. --EgyptianDuelist0000 (talk • contribs) 18:06, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Eh? Where/when did I do that? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:21, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * At Forum:Chat mods. You mentioned his name there as a possible candidate. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:25, September 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw/remembered that after posting my reply here. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:34, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Custom Chat Messages.
Hey Dino, You Know Special:AllMessages. Well I Found Out A Way To Make The Chat Even Better! Message Me, So I Can Tell Ya How Dark Paladin Attack! 22:37, September 24, 2011 (UTC).

Arch-Related or -Support?
He's changing them all to "Archsupport" instead of "Archrelated" so that's true or not? If not, then comment him and get him fixing them back to normal. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:51, September 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Spot-checking a few of their edits suggests that they have a reasonable grasp on the distinction between archmember/support/related... If you spot individual edits where they get it wrong, you should go ahead and fix it for them, and if I somehow missed the bulk of such edits, it may be worth (calmly! ;) ) explaining to them the difference here. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:47, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

How...
are random IPs banning people from chat? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:50, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * lol That was me, and yeah, IDK how it happened, but I laughed when I saw that. I was trying to find out how to work the banning/unbanning of users (a friend, YamiWheeler/Tamaru, from the Wikia's IRC channel allowed me to use him as a guinea pig), and saw that there was a change in the user's rights log. But yeah, it's funny how I was a random IP. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 03:20, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * They don't seem to be random, it's the mod who is banning them. I think it's just be a bug; so you can probably avoid it by using Special:UserRights instead of the shortcut on the chat. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:24, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've got a hold of it now. There wasn't a user manual when I was given the role, nor was there a "shortcut" to unban someone. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 03:27, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * As was pointed out above, it's a known bug (or perhaps more a shortcoming of the feature). If you look at the banning rationale, you'll note that the kickbanner is named as the person to ask for more info; if it bugs you that much, you should use Special:UserRights instead as Falzar mentioned. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:12, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, it doesn't bother me. I was just curious. I've never used that feature at all since I almost never go into chat, so I wasn't aware of the bug. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:30, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Wikia Chat
Hey! Long time no see there. Is there anything that can be done about the glitchiness of the Wikia chat function? Sometimes, whatever I type doesn't make it to the chat. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 01:40, October 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey DGA, unfortunately there's nothing we can do on our end to improve chat latency; ultimately it all comes down to Wikia themselves. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:48, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

"Fire Dragon"
Well, forgive me for being ass on my "NG" grammar. But at least be grateful that I put it up for the request on the talk page. So is the name acceptable afterall? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:41, October 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I wasn't trying to talk down to you or anything like that. ;) Unfortunately, I have no way of checking the name myself, so I can't say one way or another. =/ 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:54, October 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * The card has no name. Only shown in that one opening alongside "Water Dragon". "Fire Dragon" seems like a logical name, but it's by no means official (for the record, most people do call it "Fire Dragon"). Never appeared because the writers dropped the ball with Misawa. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:58, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

new template Template:Archetype card list
hey, just saw the new template you created, and i think it's not so bad. However, just wondering why does "support cards" and "anti-support cards" need to bracketed? also, is anti-support cards really neccessary, like how often do does an archetype have anti-supports?

another thing, can you make a 2nd template, labelling "archetype card list2", if there are other cards that are only in Anime and/or Manga? in that template, there can be two card lists: one for OCG/TCG; another one for AniManEx (Anime/Manga). then, you can change the codes of the first template to have only a single list of cards for those that are only in OCG/TCG. 70.79.73.202 (talk) 05:37, October 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I've been planning something like it for a while, and intend to create similar templates for some of the other groups of card lists (primarily Attributes and Types, but also at least some of the various card/effect property lists). =)
 * I've linked Support card and Anti-support card in the template because I feel that they should have their own articles, briefly describing what each term means and (especially in the case of support cards, which we use to decide whether a given thematic group of cards is an archetype or just a series) its significance. Thinking about it a bit more, though, we may prefer to have slightly more generic support and anti-support articles... Hmm...
 * Anti-support cards for archetypes are pretty rare, but they are out there. Both the suppor and anti-support list links are hidden behind #ifexist switches in the template, though, which means they shouldn't be added unless the lists themselves exist (under very specific titles, but that's really rather beside the point).
 * Unfortunately, because of how various properites are currently assigned in CardTable2, trying to filter lists into sublists of official-only and animanga-only cards means we end up missing other cards (for instance, neither of these will catch various tokens or video game-exclusive cards). In addition, the construct you've been using,, won't work as desired because of limitations inherent to SMW - while this does indeed prevent any cards with the value "Official" in Property:Class 1 from being listed, it also only lists cards that have "Class 1" set to something - and since, as I said before, property value assignment in CardTable2 is messy at best, it means there are plenty of cards with no value at all in "Class 1", and these aren't listed if the query uses.
 * Sorry for the length and technicality of this reply; if you need me to go back and explain anything more simply, please just ask. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:48, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Lock
Can you lock up Legendary Collection 2: The Duel Academy Years? There is so much vandalism and it is a problems. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 00:00, October 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's just been a few edits by one editor so far, not really that bad. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:02, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Random
MekHunterG5:YOU my friend LIE YOU HAVE 11,818 edits lol.--MekHunterG5 (talk • contribs) 00:18, October 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Umm... okay? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:29, October 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * HA now 11,827 edits I LIE!--MekHunterG5 (talk • contribs) 23:25, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wait, is this about the discrepancy between the number of edits I have according to the count next to my avatar versus that that I have below the banners on my userpage? Both numbers are determined automatically, but each one uses a different counting method, meaning they don't match up in some cases. There's nothing I can do about it. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:32, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Cards in other Languages
Since you seem to be checking if names are official in other languages, this might be useful for you. Click. It's a file I extracted from WC11 that contains the names and lores (and a bunch of other stuff that I haven't figured out yet) of JP, EN, DE, FR, IT, SP and KR cards that are in that game (languages listed are in order of ID when using AR codes to change the language, 22126491 000000xx, where JP = 00, EN = 01, etc; though I haven't checked if the order is the same as that text file). You may need to change your text editors encoding if you are interested in trying to extract the data (I for one, can't get KR out of it). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:31, October 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Did you just try to open the whole file in a text editor? Looking at it in a hex editor, it's quite obviously an archive file, but I'm not sure where the file sizes/offsets are stored, so I can't write an extraction script for it yet. Other than that, thanks for the file; once we can get everything extracted, it should allow us to fill in a lot of gaps, really really quickly. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:14, October 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * For the record, what I've gotten of the format is at http://wiki.xentax.com/index.php/Yu-Gi-Oh!_5D%27s_World_Championship_2011:_Over_the_Nexus_PAC . 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:01, October 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hex Workshop and Notepad++ both gave me the same overall content, ++ just didn't include the raw Hexadecimal next to it.
 * Also ++ could read JP whereas Hex Workshop did not.
 * At best, I can get squares to appear in place of Korean characters in ++.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:43, October 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've used Hex Workshop in the past, years ago, but last I knew it was shareware, and I don't have the money to pay for a license. Personally, I use XVI32, which is free and pretty good in its own right, but it's also got more than its fair share of shortcomings and, despite being freeware, is closed-source. I'm actually rather surprised no one yet seems to have had any interest in making an open-source hex editor of the same relative quality as Notepad++ (which I use as well ;) ) is for text editors...
 * While we've got the comparison going, you pointed out that Hex Workshop didn't display the kanji/kana; this is expected, since hex editors display files byte-by-byte - they make no effort whatsoever to worry about whether a given file is (likely to be) a text file, or what encoding it's probably using.
 * I didn't try opening the archive in Notepad++ until just now. Experimenting a bit and searching on Google shows most of the text files to be encoded using various ANSI/Windows code pages; the Hangul displays just fine if you set the encoding to Windows 949 (Encoding --> Character sets --> Korean --> Windows 949); Korean card effects can be found around line 6431. The oddball is the Japanese text, which is encoded in Shift-JIS, though you probably already knew as much. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:30, October 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Arial Unicode MS (and a few other) fonts on Korean --> Windows 949 is what gives me the squares I mentioned.
 * It's the only language I can't actually see characters of on editors. Copying Korean names from here, and pasting it in Notepad++ Find, brings me to lines ~64xx+, while highlighting a bunch of squares, so I know they're there and can check if that particular name is correct. Else, I could just use a code to change the in-game language and read it off there. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:43, October 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Got it, it was because I didn't tick Enable Global Font, apparently the last font I was using supported each of those including JP, but not including KR, which made me forget about the extra setting. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:03, October 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, that's cool to hear (that sounds like a setting that shouldn't really be a setting, but whatever). I may request having someone look at the archive, to see if anyone wants to write an extraction script for it, so we can work with the much-more-manageable individual files rather than having to fight the whole archive. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:09, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Chat mod request
Hello. Blackwing Armor Master and I would like to be chat mods.--ThunderCats, Ho! (talk • contribs) 01:14, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * You should ask in Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki Community Discussion instead of here. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:08, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

OCG-only
I noticed the the "Crashbug" monsters are still listed under their "Bugman" names on the OCG-Only list. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:29, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * The issue seems to be for a big chunk of cards, if their unofficial names are still listed. I'm now guessing this is a well known flaw with charts. It'd take a while to go through each individual card, probably why its been left as is for now. Sorry. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:42, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's because of SMW's caching, which is separate from the normal article cache (meaning ordinary actions, such as "action=purge" or even editing the page, may not force it to update). Basically, we have to wait until SMW decides to update its caches, which can take anywhere from minutes to months. =/ 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:54, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just edited the redirect link and saved it without any changes.
 * They are removed from the list now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:57, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've never thought of null-editing the redirects; I'll have to keep that in mind. Thanks! =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:09, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hello from Makoton
Hello im makoton and the message ya left me ディノ奴千？！i know what it means it means"one thousand fellow Dino? !"im japanese!!!!!!OK —This unsigned comment was made by Makoton (talk • contribs) 06:03, October 17, 2011

Hello dinoguy ya said "If there's anything you'd like help with, please let me know."im gettin bored of this wikia so can you give me some kinda work to do on yugioh wikia? I f there is just give me a message.:) —This unsigned comment was made by Makoton (talk • contribs) 06:19, October 17, 2011

EgyptianDuelist bot request
i want a bot. --ThunderCats, Ho! (talk • contribs) 21:11, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * What for? Do you know how to run a bot? If you have a clear idea of what you want to do with a bot and how to set up and use one, you should start a discussion in Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki Community Discussion to see if the wider community is willing to trust you with one yet. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:09, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Can you get me a bot? Thanks. --My Name Is Rikoshet, I&#39;ma Kill You! (talk • contribs) 18:58, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, I can't. There is bot software for MediaWiki freely available if you know where to look. Again, though, I ask, what do you need a bot for? Do you know how to use one? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:04, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I need ba bot because i'm gonna be doing school and homework. plus its easy. --My Name Is Rikoshet, I&#39;ma Kill You! (talk • contribs) 21:43, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * That still doesn't tell me anything. What exactly do you need the bot for? What do you intend to do with it? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:52, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I intend to have it do tedious edits for me. I also intend to get a bot so it can patrol the chat. --My Name Is Rikoshet, I&#39;ma Kill You! (talk • contribs) 21:55, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am sure that Riko meant by keep the chatroom cover with Bot as to keep it from having a spammer and violence users and so. If he didn't get what I am pointing at, then he can explain it from there. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:05, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * As I said above, any bot would need wider community approval. That being said, for now it would be better that you request a current bot op to handle tedious edits that you don't want to do; Deltaneos, Falzar FZ, and myself all operate bots. In addition, it would be far more difficult to use a bot to patrol the chat than you think; there's a good reason you don't already see chat-patrolling bots everywhere. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:18, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah. But i still need the bot to make tedious edits for me. --My Name Is Rikoshet, I&#39;ma Kill You! (talk • contribs) 23:27, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * "As I said above, any bot would need wider community approval. That being said, for now it would be better that you request a current bot op to handle tedious edits that you don't want to do; Deltaneos, Falzar FZ, and myself all operate bots." 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:34, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Not quite
Dark Synchro is now listed on every Decklist that uses the new format. See Kakeru Kunitachi and Shobee Yuatsu for examples. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:28, October 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads-up, got it fixed for you now. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:31, October 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * *headdesk* Thank you. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:37, October 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't beat yourself up too much, that same omission has bit me more times then I care to count. You should try debugging it when you have about three different parameters nested inside each other, in a few parser functions, without any whitespace (something along the lines of ). Now there's a headache. =D 「 ディノ 奴  千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:01, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Characters Template
Hi Dinoguy. I noticed that almost a year ago you were planning to work on updating the Characters template. When that's completed, will the Yu-Gi-Oh! GX anime characters, Yu-Gi-Oh! GX manga characters, and Yu-Gi-Oh! R Characters template boxes at the bottom of characters' pages all match the other template boxes? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 15:02, October 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes I was, and yes they will. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:04, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Weird question
Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - Episode 046 is using slanted quotations. I've tried copying the text and using find and replace in Word, Wordpad and Notepad. None of them work. Know of any way to get them to use regular quotations without changing each one individually? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:08, November 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Notepad's Find-and-Replace function works fine for me on Windows 7... Maybe it has issues with extended Unicode on earlier MS systems?
 * You should be able to use Notepad++ to do the replaces if nothing else works for you. If you know how to use regexes and are willing to try that route, the opening curly double-quote can be matched via, and the closing one via   (you can match the curly single quotes via   and  ). I will add all these replaces to the rules on my bot, so that whenever I run it again it'll correct that stuff. ;) 「 ディノ 奴  千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:53, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Cover up
Thank you for put my page back to it original version. I don't understand what up with that user who deleted emptied my page like that? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  09:55, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably a throwaway account created by a vandal you've interacted with (e.g. by reverting or something) in the past. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:34, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hm... if you're referring to IP codes, then maybe but for that account name; no - it's first time I met that person since that time I post the comment here. He's just assjerk. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:02, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, that account could easily have been registered by someone you interacted with before. There's nothing preventing people from editing as an IP and then registering an account, or even registering and editing with multiple accounts. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:20, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I see... Didn't you know that you can just block IP number, make it lock-up from be able to create more account from there? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:44, November 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, but that's imperfect (that is, there are ways around it), and there's no way to definitively know what IP(s) an account has been used from without Checkuser rights. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:10, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

FredCat's Judge Lists
If you have click my letter d in my user name (in case you knew about it already), you will see that I get them all fixing up comfortable and less repeat (same result but different cards, so grouped them up) to make them easier to understand and read. That unfortunate cost me 9 articles to save 15% of time to read them of furious and ragequit. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:25, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Cool, good work! =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:28, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you, took me whole day with a massive headache in the morning. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:33, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know what that's like; back when I was doing my massive cleanup/rewrite of CardTable2, whenever I'd finish an editing session I would literally be physically disoriented (and hungry!). =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:36, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah gee, but at this time, it's actually fastest I ever done in a while - edited more than 10 articles in single day (nearly hour) with loadcrap of information changes must be intense... I worked it on and off (had to help my parents with their conflict problems) -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:39, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * So I see! Breaks aren't necessarily bad (and indeed, it's not unusual for me to take a break when I'm working on a template and hit something I can't quite wrap my head around at the time; the break helps me clear my head and get my thoughts in order (and sometimes even lets me think of better ways to code the template!)). =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:43, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Break ain't only thing I did, I also took time to swallowing the medicine that can tough my brain back to normal and dissolving the rest of trouble. TBH, I jumped back and forth between two areas on Notepad to find where they were such to be. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:00, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Card Trivia:The Lady in Wight - "Lady-in-Waiting"?
Hello, I saw that you changed "Lady-in-Waiting" into "Ladies-in-Waiting" on the following page: Card Trivia:The Lady in Wight. Why exactly do you feel that this is not the correct spelling? The supplied link is a link to Wikipedia that has the title as such. Please do not be offended by this, I am just trying to understand. -- LordGeovanni - ( Talk To Me ) *Kupo* 02:52, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Lady-in-waiting" is a noun, which means that it needs to be pluralized when used in the specific manner it's used on the trivia page. The plural form of "lady-in-waiting" is "ladies-in-waiting", as can be seen in the Wikipedia article. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:56, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am sorry, I still do not understand your reasoning. Why does the card "The Lady in Wight" (as a singular "Lady") need to be compared to "Ladies-in-Waiting" when there is only one "Lady" in both the card name and the card's picture? -- LordGeovanni - ( Talk To Me ) *Kupo* 03:24, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because the card is being compared to the general concept of ladies-in-waiting, not to any one particular lady-in-waiting. "Lady-in-waiting" refers to an entire group of women (it was an informal title), most of whom have little else in common, as opposed to any particular person. If it helps any, imagine a line of trivia for the card "Dandylion" that reads, "This card's name is a reference to dandelions and lions." 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:45, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Patrician of Darkness
I had just checking the Talk Page of that monster... You know, the Zombie Dude that look like a vampire and has attitude to redirect the attack to other target monster. It is just fill with random shit, like they can redirect the attack to opponent's other monsters. (Which is illegal move) -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:30, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Blank it. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:35, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. They are just trolling and spamming it too much without any User Names. >_> -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:39, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hidden Arsenal 4: Trishula’s Triumph
Why did you redirect Hidden Arsenal 4: Trishula’s Triumph to itself? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:16, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I didn't; I moved it from the title with the curly/fancy apostrophe to the one with the straight apostrophe. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:21, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well will ya look at that. The pages I was on still used the fancy one. I couldn't see the difference before, but I'll correct them. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:31, November 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, MediaWiki doesn't make it easy to see little differences like that (it's a million times worse for whitespace and Unicode control characters, though =P ). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:50, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hide factbox
I know how to stop pages from borking by doing this. What I don't know is why this happens (beyond very long Japanese names). So I'm sort of curious. And other than adding the hide factbox template, how do we fix it? I've even seen it several episode articles recently (thought it was isolated to card pages). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:55, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's caused by SMW unintelligently "cutting" Ruby markup at very stupid places when it displays in the factbox - the invalid markup breaks the factbox table, and this breaks the whole page. The only way to fix it other than hiding the factbox is changing how SMW handles such long values (only two realistic choices: don't try cutting values that appear to contain HTML or wikimarkup, or simply don't output such values). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:51, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I see. Does anything else cause that? If not, I guess it was the Japanese names in the episode infoboxes too... Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:59, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, in theory, any block-level HTML element stuffed into a Type:Text property could do it; it's only limited to Ruby for us since that's the only such HTML we normally use with SMW (bold, italics, and the like don't count since they're inline elements and can't break the page). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:52, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

JUMP ain't Official TROLOLOLOL
I am thinking of to lock "Dark Magician" front page from having it change back and forth in two different images. That user who just revoke your edit think this site is for Asia. That's just wonderful counter-respond. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  03:55, November 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw his first switch, but haven't followed up yet. I'll have a look in a second. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:47, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

The "Neo Space" archetype
The most recent errata for "Elemental HERO Divine Neos" names a "Neo Space" archetype, which would consist of "Neo Space" and "Neo Space Pathfinder". It seems this is to clarify that the latter card can be used as a Fusion Material, since it had "Neos" in its OCG name. Any objections to just redirecting Neo Space (archetype) to "Neos" and adding a paragraph to that article regarding it? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:36, November 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me; the "Neo Space" cards already seem to be tagged as part of the "Neos" archetype, so there's no problem there. "List of "Neo Space" cards" and "List of "Neo Space" support cards" should be redirected to List of "Neos" cards and List of "Neos" support cards, respectively, though (and possibly "Neo Space (archetype)" should have redirects as well). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:01, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

"Wights" VS "Skull Servants"
Hello, on October 31st, you moved Skull Servant onto Wight. Today, without comments or questions, User:IgorThunderMaster changed it back. Please consider looking at the Talk:Skull Servants page so that we can discuss this. -- LordGeovanni - ( Talk To Me ) *Kupo* 01:17, November 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * The page was moved back; I'll have a look at the discussion in a minute. =)

Spammer in chat
Help. MAJOR SMAMMER IN CHAT --I&#39;m the Haitian Seto Kaiba. Deal with it. (talk • contribs) 23:34, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Come on chat please 08:24, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Would you care to offer your view of the whole "similiar cards with Japanese names" issue at Talk:Scratch Wheel? Not sure what your opinion is on the whole thing right now, but this is something that does need to be resolved. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:44, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Duel Terminal on chat
I have a thing we should do on the chat: Duel Terminal where you can duel all you want! I want to rebuild the oringinal Duel Terminal idea from TwoTailedFox. Message me for ideas. --I&#39;m the Haitian Seto Kaiba. Deal with it. (talk • contribs) 19:59, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't really have much to do with chat, I'm afraid. Deltaneos or Cheesedude might be able to help you more than I could; they're both on chat more often than me. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:06, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't people use chat to Duel anyway? Generally, someone is using chat to Duel any time I log onto it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:44, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's actually what it seems like to me too. I prefer IRC for this reason; people can duel on a separate channel and not clog up the main channel, and also not run the risk of their duel being interrupted by sudden spats of activity. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:58, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Right. I prefer neither, since I just don't talk much. I never have much to say in relation to what goes on in either place, since I don't play the TCG anyway.
 * EgyptianDuelist, can you explain what you mean in more detail? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:20, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd be on them more often, but they're productivity sinks for me - when I'm on, I have to obsessively follow all discussion to see if there's anything interesting happening (though it's worse for Wikia chat than for IRC, since the former has no way of alerting you on pings, which means if you don't constantly check back there's a chance you'll miss some question directed at you)... =P 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:38, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

5D's manga archetypes
Take a look at the lores for "Great Gallant Demonic Angel, Rosalian" and "Prayer to the Evil Spirits". It seems we have some undocumented archetypes here. I'm going to see if I can locate some cards images for them tomorrow to help clarify. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:31, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ooh, you may be right! English Shonen Jump is only up to chapter 11, so I can't really help much there... =( 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:38, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I've not been able to locate any images at all of either card. Maybe we can ask III or Blackwings if they have the jplore for them? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:46, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * It wouldn't hurt to try... =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:49, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looking through "Rosalien"'s history, I came across "The Rose Bell of Revelation", with a nice, crisp(ish) Japanese card image complete with lore; this should cover our needs for "Queen Angel" and "Fallen Angel", but we still need an image of "Prayer" for the "Angel" parent group. We've also got to worry about how to disambiguate "Fallen Angel" from "Darklord", since apparently "Darklord"'s Japanese name translates to "Fallen Angel" as well (and Fallen Angel currently redirects to it). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:08, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice. We should just be able to use "Fallen Angel" as a page name and add disambiguation text for "Darklord" at the top. It's also highly likely that the English manga will change the name altogether, in which case, we can make "Fallen Angel" a disambiguation page for both archetypes. Just to be sure, the "Rose Bell" card doesn't have the text that means "Darklord" on it, right? They are separate archetypes? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:12, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's what I was thinking; I just like making stuff complicated. =D
 * Right, "Rose Bell" has "魔天使" (plus some furigana I can't read reliably enough to transcribe), and "Darklord" is "", though the last two kanji are identical (they're also the same for "Queen Angel", interestingly enough, leading me to believe that's what "Angel" will turn out to use on "Prayer"). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:18, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I should have known.
 * Ok then. And yeah, it sounds like that it what it will use. Curious to see what else will end up being part of that archetype, intentionally or not. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:20, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * A lot, probably, "天使" seems to be the most common Japanese translation for "angel". I love unintentionally generic archetypes... =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:34, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's what I feared. This should be interesting though. I think the funniest unintentional member I've seen so far is "Thought Ruler Archfiend", which is technically in the "Sphere" archetype. Or maybe "The Legendary Fisherman" in "Shaman". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:38, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ooh, ooh, there's also "Elemental HERO Necroid Shaman" in "Roid". =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:47, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

(outdent) So, "Rose Bell" appears in chapter 12, which is, conveniently enough, the chapter that should be in the next issue of SJ. Would you have a problem with waiting until it's released and we can see what the English names are going to be before actually getting to work creating all this stuff, Cheesedude? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:08, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course not. There is no deadline, after all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:15, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Cool. So now, we play... the waiting game. *looks menacingly past steepled fingers* =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:34, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Rosalin" is being released in Premium Pack 14 (among many other cards I assumed would never see the light of the day). They'll likely change the effect, but we'll see. It may help solve our problems. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:25, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Very cool, this is certainly unexpected. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes these cards to make it to the TCG. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:39, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

So, Shonen Jump just got here (...yesterday; I've been reading Inheritance), and it seems the translators went with a cop-out: "Rose Bell"'s English lore reads "From your Deck, add either Queen Angel of Roses or Fallen Angel of Roses to your hand." Still, at least this confirms the English archetype names.

I don't really have the time to update the other cards from chapter 12; all of them look to be named correctly except for "Blessed Cards of Grass", which should be "Cards from the Blessed Grass", and "Magic Elf Burgundy", which should be "Burgundy the Magic Elf". 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:03, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, come on. Alright then. Well then, yeah, at least we have the English names.
 * I'll get to it later if I have time before you. So they didn't change the name of "Magic Elf Elite Claret" to match? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:24, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I may get to it today myself, I think I've got a good chunk of the day free.
 * Elite Claret is shown in chapter 13, not 12. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:30, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fusion Monsters count as archsupport? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:58, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Most Fusion Monsters I've bothered to look at have been tagged as support for their Fusion Materials. As I recall, there has been some dissatisfaction expressed over that, but I can't remember for sure whether we agreed not to do that any more (I'm wanting to say we didn't though). I wouldn't be against changing to not tagging that, though (in which case, Rosarian should be changed to archrelated, I think). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:03, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * We probably didn't. Truthfully though, I've been removing them on-sight. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:07, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * All right, may as well treat that as current best practice. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:09, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Removing "(disambiguation)"
Could you move Obelisk (disambiguation) as well? I don't know how to move over a redirect. v_v --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 15:41, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Got it. Non-admins can only move pages over redirects if there's a single edit in the redirect's history, which is why you couldn't do it in this case. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:46, December 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * That explains how I saw a non-administrator moved a page then; it must not have had any edits in its history. Thanks. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:52, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

One with the Shadow
Thanks for shut him up. That user is quite inappropriate to make a comment like that. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:55, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem. In cases like that, it's often best to just revert and ignore (unless they're doing a lot of it, in which case the procedure changes to "revert, block, ignore"). =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:21, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am aware of that, I learned that important lesson of "trolling" other user like that. And do you know the reference on the topic I used? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:25, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're talking about; what topic, where? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:40, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * XD "One with the Shadow" is what I am pointing to. lolwtfbbq -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:49, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, that. I thought you were perhaps referring to me being stealthy or something like that. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:51, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea, that's the achievement you will have to release in recently release game - Elder Scroll V: Skyrim. It's an Thieves base achievement. :| -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:00, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Aah, that makes sense. I didn't know that, since I don't have Skyrim and haven't played it at all (though my brother does and has). Game-wise, I prefer Minecraft most of the time anyways. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:03, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pretty much, it's actually difficult achievement to unlocked along with "Criminal Master" and 100k coin for "Golden Touch". -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:50, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Raw Victory Condition
Am I doing it right? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:45, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks pretty good; I touched it up for you. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:52, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * So that's one broken card ever release into the OCG/TCG universe? Can't be negated at ALL? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:01, December 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * According to the effect posted by Shriek. We'll see if it holds up in its actual release (and the inevitable ensuing TCG release). =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:05, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

New Article
Ah thank you for unscrew it up into correct line. I have no sense of japan word around here. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:56, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem, though I'm not much better, to be honest - at best, I can go by visually comparing characters and seeing what Google Translate has to say. ;P 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:19, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * You got some japan knowledge, where I can't reach. Though I am a Copycat - I am not much of speaker. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:48, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox issue
Is there any way to get the "manga debut" parameter in Infobox/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Character to work with non-numerical chapter names? Masumi Momono debuts in Yu-Gi-Oh! R - Duel Round SP1 and Dr. Faker debuts in Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Rank SP1. Using the template like I would for any other chapter borks the page, so I ended up hardcoding the text instead. I created both of those chapter pages with those names based on the fact that we have an episode article similiary named. No characters debuted there though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:05, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, to be honest; I need a link to a "typical" usage, so I can see how it's supposed to behave (right now, I'm really not sure what I'm looking for in the template). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:40, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * The manga debut parameter of any character. Let's go with Axel Brodie. In the code, you'd be looking for "appears manga =" Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:45, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * It seems to work just fine for me; am I still not fully grasping the issue? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:09, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh. Well, it works now. When I originally added the manga debut to Dr Faker's article, it didn't work properly. Admittedly, I haven't tried again since then, and only added the debut to Momono's article today. Oh well. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:02, December 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * How long ago was it that you tried it? The place the issue would have been would be Chapter and Episode, not the infobox, and having a timescale would let me look through more recent edits to them and see what edit might have changed the behavior (of course, now this is just to satisfy my curiosity as opposed to actually fixing anything =D ). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:49, December 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I took a look through the edit history of Dr. Faker. It was back in July. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:50, December 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, that narrows it down to pretty much all four edits made this year. =D If I had to guess (without testing anything), I'd say the most likely candidate would be my refactoring of Chapter. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:59, December 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh hell. Check the link in the infobox of Masumi Momono. It reads "Duel Round SP1" and links to Yu-Gi-Oh! R - Duel Round 001. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:02, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, fsck. That would be because Yu-Gi-Oh! R - Duel Round SP1 doesn't have anything in the "chapter number" parameter in the infobox - but putting the value "SP1" there just breaks everything horribly (and stuffs the value "1" in the relevant properties, meaning even if it didn't break everything horribly, it'd have the same exact result - to make matters worse yet, both those properties have a type of Number, meaning they won't accept the value "SP1" anyways). This is something that cannot be fixed without a significant overhaul of the system as it now stands, I think, and one more piece of evidence in the "I hate SMW more and more" case (maybe I should write a rant about that... >_> ). Given all this, it's also something I won't be looking at actually fixing until I write a new version of the infobox (Infobox archetype was only a beginning, to help me figure stuff out ;) ), if even then. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:00, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Damn. I'm not sure why we chose "SP1" to denote these articles in the first place. As I said, I did the two manga articles that way for consistency with Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's - Episode SP1 (which I assume stands for "special episode 1"). You're saying that we must use a numerical value for now, yes? What if we moved to "000" (each of these is "special" because it's not part of the main continuity of that series. Both were used for advertising purposes. They threw a special chapter into a different magazine in the hopes of getting people to read the other chapters in the other magazine). Let me go ask Delt, too. Fairly sure he created the 5D's article. If all else fails, we'll just hardcode the links and be done with it for now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:48, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, it has to be a number, no two ways around it (this is also why we need two properties for ATK, DEF, Level, and Rank).
 * I'd be fine with "000"; it's every bit as arbitrary as "SP1", but does make some limited amount of sense on its own. At any rate, though, let's see if Delt has anything to say. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:04, December 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see why we need to number special episodes and chapters when they're not ordinal. I moved the Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's special episode some time ago for that reason. Why not just manually create the link to the special episodes and chapters, like we would for a film or video game? -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:12, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

(outdent)Went ahead and moved the R article. Simply having no chapter number in the "chapter number" causes it to display the "next chapter" link as being Yu-Gi-Oh! R - Duel Round 001. Removing the "chapter number" parameter from the infobox altogether terribly borks the page and causes it to spit out an unlinked list of cards in alphabetical order. On a related note, what's going on at Yu-Gi-Oh! R chapter listing? Duel Rounds 7 and 15 show up twice, with the first time being at the top of the list with no image and still linking to "chapter" instead of "Duel Round". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:55, December 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * The infobox now leaves out the previous and next sections if there is no chapter number specified.
 * It was a messy cache problem. After the pages got renamed, the old titles, which are now redirects, retained the SMW properties they had before the page got moved. Null editing the redirects fixed this. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:45, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

New Gallery is sh-*
I don't understand why new gallery is create but limited to just 1 goddamn image per box? Ain't it better off with old version? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:09, December 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's because Gallery1 (and Gallery2, Gallery3, Gallery4, Gallery5, and Gallery) are actually old, deprecated templates - {{t}GalleryHeader}} and a hardcoded &lt;gallery/> are the current, preferred method (though I've been pondering for a while now about how more of this could be templated). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:24, December 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Why have "Clay Charge" hold the over ANCIENT gallery box? *sigh* -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:35, December 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because no one has bothered taking the time to orphan those templates yet. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:37, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Weird link formatting
This week's ZEXAL episode contains a card called Negative <=> Positive Swap" (ネガ⇔ポジ反転). It will not link properly that way, and there's no way to nowiki it with nowiking the link that I can think of. You know a workaround? Or should we call the article something else like in the case of cards like "Rock Ogre Grotto #1"? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 13:42, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am sure they should handle it like the one with "Magi Magi ☆ Magician Gal"... Symbol like those can't be coded well unless there are specify line to put it in. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:53, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there any reason not to use the arrow glyph directly, e.g. "Negative ⇔ Positive Swap", as Fredcat points out? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:35, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not that I can think of. Nor would I have thought to do. Nor did I realize that's what FredCat meant. I'll just go ahead and do that now. We can always move it later if we need to. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:37, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, cool. It helps to remember that MediaWiki is built from the ground up (well, not really, but it might as well be) on Unicode, and with the exception of certain wikimarkup characters, if you can write it on a page, you can use it in a page title (and even link to it). Unfortunately, this also extends to weird whitespace characters and control characters (at least, AFAIK... that may have been fixed at some point). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:41, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Btw, apologize for bring the random comment here, Dino - I was trying to give an evidence of how other article get it. At least I helped grant you both a consider of how to get it covered. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:45, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem; you should be aware by now of my own tendency to butt in on conversations that have nothing to do with me... =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:56, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think I can chop up pair of butts to place on here... Or if you mean by Metaphor Purpose of "Butt-In"? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:06, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I meant the idiomatic meaning, though looking at that definition, it seems to be a bit "stronger" than I thought it was. =/ 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:08, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see... It's been fun to playing with the word, ain't we? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:10, December 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep yep! =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:12, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

FredCat's New Article
Hey, check it out! -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:27, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pretty interesting! I'm not so sure about "ditch" instead of "discard", but I quite like "mill" in place of "send cards from the top of the Deck to the Graveyard"! =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:46, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I will writing in the define of those new words whenever chance I can get. I am little busy on other side. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:58, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Words Define" is post in that article, And be sure to remember that it's not "real". -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:21, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re.
It is a bit dumb that there isn't an automatic system that scans (once a month) cards that interact with your/opponents Graveyard, and then lists them in the current list (It would be much better). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 21:07, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, that would require parsing card effects, which would entail largely solving the problem of natural language parsing. We do have a system in place already that allows the lists to be made automatic (SMW), but the tags have to be added to card pages manually and currently the whole thing is just too scattershot to be really useful for this (not least of all because a query that lists all cards that can interact with the Graveyard in any way is too large for SMW's query limits). I'd like to have a look at the whole thing in the future, but there's no telling when that might actually happen. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:18, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should rebuild TwoTailedFox's idea of Duel Terminal on the Chat. Do you think so too? Message me for ideas. --I&#39;m the Haitian Seto Kaiba. Deal with it. (talk • contribs) 21:20, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

archetype strategies
Hey, DinoGuy! I'm wondering if you can put more strategies on archetype pages, like you did in the new Forest archetype. Please respond back! Guardmaster (talk • contribs) 21:48, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * That wasn't me, that was Haitham Messast (and possibly Shardsilver, too, I didn't look at his edits too closely). Generally speaking, I'm not much of a Duelist, and that extends to coming up with and even just documenting strategies. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:58, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Insanity Increased
Please check out that article I sent you earlier (second latest to this, only by my name) to see any addition information. I am starting to think I felt little crazy after added all LS shit there. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:54, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Japanese kanji for card sets
I noticed that on Pot of Duality's page that another Administrator had listed the Japanese kanji for the OCG set's name, with a the redirect bypassed. It's been done seemingly randomly for other cards, I think by the same Admin. Leave it be or take it out? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:35, December 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Leave it be. Eventually (when I finally get Card table set finished and it starts getting deployed), all card pages will use the localized set name for any particular release; this will be automatic. In the meantime, there's at least one person doing so manually, as you've noticed. It's not necessary to do it now, but if someone wants to anyway, we may as well let them. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:16, December 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Roger that! Hopefully that project (and all your others) go smoothly. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:46, December 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * They usually do once I sit down to work on them; getting to that point usually ends up being the hard part for me. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:52, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Short Print
Like "Naturia Beast" and "Ally of Justice Catastor", those cards with "Short Print" are like often making their appearance than they original to be, or am I thinking wrong? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:21, December 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * You're asking if Short Print cards are visually identical to Common cards, right? If so, yes (and if not, you'll have to explain better). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:55, December 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Closer, but how can I tell that they are short-print? Such as the two I mentioned are common seen pull out of pack easily? And yea, my context on this part is tightly because I am busy writing two stories and bunch of create new cards that required for one chapter. :( -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:30, December 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * There isn't any way just by looking at the cards themselves - if you put a Common card and a Short Print card side-by-side (and ignore the differences arising from the fact that they're two different cards), you won't be able to tell which is which with a visual comparison. Short Print cards are rarer than Common cards, though (they are called "Normal Rares" in the OCG), so you would pull them less often from packs. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:52, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Article Lockdown
May you please lock up "Luna" from unregistered users? Shard is having hard time trying to keep it clear. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:27, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Semi-protected for one month. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:31, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that's all I asked. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:33, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * A lot of people have been removing those sentences. Shardsilver and his "cousin" were the main advocates for them to be added at all. Someone needs to integrate those last lines into the sections with better wording. It's supposed to read like a biography, not be a list of episode numbers. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:49, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, the only ones that have done anything, are usually one-time Ip users who's sole edit is simply removing that (also, from what I can see, no registered users have tried to remove it). If you look at Yusei and Aki's articles, they have episode Numbers to (I'm just saying). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 23:53, December 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've never removed it, but have disagreed on the talk pages. So has Golden Key. I'm not entirely sure what Cheesedude's stance was. The only ones I've seen in totally in favour have been Shardsilver, Shardsilver's IP, an account that was used by the same IP and another IP with two edits. If you're disregarding short time users/IPs, that leaves just yourself in favour. Every time you revert someone removing the line, you tell them to see the talk page, but I don't see any agreement on the talk page to include it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:59, December 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I did try to reason, by bringing up an agreement on Leo's talk page (which an IP user agreed to), and so far, nobody seemed to have any problems with what I suggested. However, I also agree with "Goldenkey", that if need be, I can re-word those sentences (give me a few days, and I'll try to word it like whats in Yusei and Aki's biograghys. And if you guys feel they still need re-wording, I'll do just that)). Does that sound reasonable? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 19:18, December 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would actually prefer if Deltaneos did the revisions; he wrote the page on character articles and has a ton of experience making them. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:00, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thats fine with me, I see no problem with that. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:32, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Would you mind taking the protect off Luna's article (I don't think it will be needed anymore, now that the speculation is pretty much gone, and replaced with facts and references). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 20:06, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've lowered it to a week; there's no harm in leaving the protection on for a few more days. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:09, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

Edit restriction for chat access
I was thinking up a rule about the chat: You must have at least 25 edits before you can go on the chat. Isn't the chat a privalage? Tell me what you think. --I&#39;m the Haitian Seto Kaiba. Deal with it. (talk • contribs) 18:02, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * No and no. Even if it were possible for us to set such a limit (and it's not), it's highly doubtful Wikia would allow us to do so. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:33, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Wikiamobile skin
In the mobile skin, level 2 headings are meant to toggle whether the content below them is shown or hidden. e.g. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/talk:Main%20Page?useskin=wikiamobile But the content on the Main Page stays hidden http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Main%20Page?useskin=wikiamobile Have you any idea what's causing this? -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:38, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * No I don't, though I didn't look very closely... I'll try to take a closer look later, if you haven't gotten it figured out. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:19, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * It works fine when the &lt;mainpage-leftcolumn-start /&gt;, &lt;mainpage-endcolumn /&gt;, &lt;mainpage-rightcolumn-start /&gt; and &lt;mainpage-endcolumn /&gt; tags are removed. So the problem is most likely to do with them. I suppose I'll report it as a bug later and let Wikia handle it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:35, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Interesting... Does the problem still happen if you duplicate the output of the tags in "raw" HTML and CSS? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:57, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the late reply. It was a while before I realised you'd responded. The problem was fixed just as I was trying your suggestion. Weird timing. I hadn't even reported it as a problem before it got fixed. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:17, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries, and cool, I like stuff getting fixed without me needing to do anything. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:20, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Deserter
Just wanna let you know about this... I just noticed something complete wrong with them. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:15, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar enough with the Gardna series to be able to say whether "Desert Protector" fits its theme... Cheesedude mentions on the talk page there that DP's effect does fit, since it's a defensive effect, but there may be more to the Gardna theme then just that. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:42, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Two questions/suggestions
First, what do you think about a template for "conjectural name"? There are things we document on this wiki that don't have canonical names, so we need to make up our own. The example the sticks out the most would be The Door. Wookieepedia has a template for that, so that's where I got the idea.

Secondly, would it be helpful at all to have a list of card images that are impossible to get? I don't mean we can't find them. I mean they don't exist. For example, I believe we now have card images of every card that appears in the GX manga - except those that don't appear in card form. "Winged Kuriboh LV10" was used several times, but it was never once shown in card form. There are a number of other examples from that manga, and a few from the various animes too. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:31, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * That would probably be a good idea... it could be accompanied by a generalization to Unofficial name allowing it to be used on articles beyond just card articles. "Template:Conjectural name" is a very clear and concise description of what the proposed template would do, but I'm a bit worried that it's too technical to be easily remembered, and I don't think the template would be used widely enough to justify including it amongst the edittools interface... That being said, I can't really suggest any other names, and Hide Factbox (which, IIRC, I named myself) certainly argues against me. ;P
 * Isn't that what List of unseen cards is? Currently, I think the list just covers those cards that are not seen in any fashion - neither card nor monster - but it would be reasonable to expand to include those cards whose monster form is the only one shown, I think. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:47, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * We could just continue using "unofficial" and leave conjectural out if that word may cause too much confusion. Unofficial means much the same thing anyway.
 * That might work. Though for the example, I gave, it wouldn't - since "Winged Kuriboh LV10" is a real card and appears in card form in the anime. It's only specifically in the manga the card isn't shown. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:53, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Works for me.
 * I don't see any reason the list has to be restricted just to cards that did not appear in any media; it seems perfectly reasonable that we could have different sections for different levels of "unseen-ness": the first could be for cards that are only mentioned, and never shown in any way, with per-medium subsections as necessary, followed by cards that are only shown in monster or effect form (again, with per-medium subsections as necessary). Thoughts? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:09, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, cool.
 * I don't have any particular objections to do it that way, though I do think we'd need to rename the page. Don't know to what. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:39, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * The name "The Door" comes from the cast list of the first episode of ZEXAL. Kazuhiko Inoue is credited as "voice of the door" (扉の声, tobira no koe). Although "the" is something that gets added in translation, since Japanese grammar doesn't require as many pronouns as English grammar. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:06, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, fair enough. Didn't realize that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:39, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

A merge and a removal
Hey Dinoguy, I need help with two things. First, I noticed Cursed Waters Level 3 appears twice in the List of "Umi" support cards. Second, these two pages are in need of a merger. Thanks. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:05, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a known issue, and one we can't really do much of anything about; even editing the page isn't enough to get the duplicate entry off the list.
 * Those aren't the only two pages tagged for merging. Decks aren't really my forté, regardless, so I'm not really the best person to ask about merging Deck-related articles. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:14, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I tried doing a null edit before asking about the duplicate issue, but when that didn't work I assumed it must be an Administrator level issue.
 * And yes, I have seen we have a lot of things to be merged, but since this seemed like a simple enough cut and paste job I thought I'd mention it. I guess every Administrator has a specialty and a weakness. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:37, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, unfortunately this issue is out of the reach of even the admins to fix... It's ultimately a bug in SMW. =(
 * Yeah, my specialty happens to be technical stuff - template and wikimarkup sorcery - and my weakness is most else. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:56, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

I need help
How can I become a administrator. I want to help out yugioh wikia. plZ leave a message on my page Mek--MekHunterG5 (talk • contribs) 16:42, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * The only way is to file a request on Project:Requests for adminship and wait for the community to decide if they want to trust you with the bit or not. That being said, what type of work are you wanting to do that you think requires admin privileges? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:49, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

how can i become an admin —This unsigned comment was made by Ceep61 (talk • contribs) 20:23, December 31, 2011


 * I wrote how to do so directly above your comment. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:32, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think these days, when people ask that, we can usually assume it's chatmoderator they're looking for. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:44, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably... Do we have anyone yet that spends enough time in chat as to be able to vouch for requesters? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:54, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Despite my claim to try to spend more time in chat, I haven't. I really consider the chat's presence to be nothing but a nuisance at this point. No one that edits really uses it and no one that uses it bothers to contribute. It really has nothing to do with this wiki. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:08, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, it really doesn't help any that most of us that know how to do so make it a point to avoid using the Wikia skin. The situation might be far better if Wikia were just willing to add some of the new features to Monobook, but they have to choose that of all things to listen far too closely to their vocal technical users minority. =P 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:54, January 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree chat has very little to do with the wiki anymore. It's nothing like I expected it to be when the idea to enable it was suggested.
 * From what I have seen, there tends to be a lot of unnecessary arguments and flame wars among users on chat. Often with each side thinking the other is behaving inappropriately. My main concern with giving someone chatmod rights, is that they'll end up taking sides in one of these arguments and banning the users they disagree with. Bans like these can cause people to resort to trolling. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:31, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Renaming Type lists
After I saw Deltaneos's counterargument, I figured my changes to the Aqua pages would get reverted (hence why I didn't do any other Types). The fact that your initial comment was made so long ago without opposition made me think it was fine to go ahead in the first place. Oh well, sorry to make you have to clean up my mess. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 22:24, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * May I still go ahead and make the initial change you proposed? ("List of anti-Warrior-Type support cards" to "List of Warrior-Type anti-support cards", etc.) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:57, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

I agree
I agree with Deltaneos. Ever since, the chat has been turning into a housing unit for trolls. People who contribute don't go on the chat. And People who hardly contribute spend every day on it. I have an idea: Everyone should make at least 1 mainspace edit before they go to the chat. Tell me what you think. --I&#39;m the Haitian Seto Kaiba. Deal with it. (talk • contribs) 02:16, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just don't do that - making the topic look funny, and you should put "User:" in other user's name because it won't link to his name directly.
 * Oh, and here's a chop of pig's butts, Dino. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  03:01, January 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for trying to find a solution. Although I'm not sure a low editcount restriction would solve any of the main problems in chat. As Dinoguy said above, it's not technically feasible. The only way of implementing it would be to kickban anyone with 0 edits who joins. That would create more problems than it solves. If it was possible, I'm not sure I'd be too keen on the idea.
 * To clarify, I never said anyone who uses chat is a troll. I said, if worst comes to the worst and someone is unnecessarily banned over some argument, they may resort to trolling or causing some sort of disruption. And that's not because they are contemptible in nature, but because they'd be resentful over being punished for something they don't think was their fault. This isn't a position we should put anyone in. Most users don't use chat specifically to cause trouble. I think it should be possible to help such users in overcome their conflicts, without resorting to bans. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:50, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Merges
I have some things that I think need history merging. The Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Animation Book gives the proper arc names for GX. We currently have them at their dub names, and the dub splits it up more. We need to merge Freshman Year and Rise of the Sacred Beasts into a new article called Seven Stars (arc). Society of Light and Genex Tournament need to merged into Society of Light (arc). (I'm going to move The Society of Light to Society of Light afterwards. Finally, Survival Duels, Quest for the Rainbow Dragon and Into the Shadows need to be merged into a new article called Dimension World. I'll create an article for the actual type of Duel called "Survival Duel" afterwards. Thanks, Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:38, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm very leery of performing history merges in cases like this; it would be better to pick one of the original articles to move to the new title, merge content from the other articles in by hand, redirect the other article(s) to the first, and note on the talk page of the first that it contains content merged from the other articles, with links back to them (they should also be linked in the edit summary of the edit you merge stuff in). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:49, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, that's fine. I wasn't sure myself. I'll handle it at some point today then. Thanks, Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:56, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done, but for some reason, the "name" parameter doesn't seem to be working and linking Yu-Gi-Oh! GX in the infobox borks the episode numbers. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:13, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's because there is no "name" parameter in Infobox/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Storyline/Start, though there is a "title" parameter that does what you're expecting (though, really, we have StringFunctions; there's absolutely no excuse for the infobox not to automatically do something as simple as stripping parenthesized terms from the title displayed... =P ). As for the linking, I just changed the template to link (and italicize) the parameter input automatically. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:25, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

OCG-TCG card image Template
Hey just wanted to check on this before I start to move images again, do you want me to start adding the OCG-TCG card image template to the images as I go, or is it still a work in progress? Just checking, Thanks. ^_^ Look234 (talk • contribs) 20:33, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Technically, it's still a work in progress, but it's already deployed to dozens of card images (many of them done by myself) and should be fine to use. If you have any questions or encounter any problems with it, please let me know. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:43, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cool cool, I'll let you know if I run in to anything then. Look234 (talk • contribs) 20:48, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay one issue so far, for Japanese sets it always says that they are misnamed due to the sets not having an edition but the template requiring one. Is there anyway to make an exception for Japanese sets? Look234 (talk • contribs) 21:03, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * There already is one, just don't use the "edition" parameter for Japanese cards (it is required for non-Japanese cards, though, and the template will complain if it isn't provided for one). ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:08, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Err, that is, now it'll work. Turns out I missed some stuff when I updated OCG-TCG card image and its core templates recently. =P 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:11, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries, thanks for that. ^_^ Look234 (talk • contribs) 21:15, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just to be clear, you can omit the "edition" parameter entirely, it's not needed at all for Japanese cards. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:17, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

FredCat's ANOTHER new Article
Please check it out and let me know what on your opinion. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:54, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting... Do you plan on working through the whole banlist? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:41, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * If my fingers were endure enough to do them all from the day one. And also, I am curious why few "banlist" were absent when I visited May 2002's? It's like whole lists between Sept 2002 and Sept 2003 are red... -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:08, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's because, originally, we only had about two banlist articles for each year on here. However, in the first few years after YGO was licensed and released here (for much of the time Upper Deck Entertainment held the license for the TCG), banlists actually seemed to have been updated roughly coinciding with the release of each new Booster Pack. This meant that we were missing quite a few banlists, and the early ones that we did have were misleading, if not outright wrong. So, I started working on creating articles for every banlist from the very beginning, but ran out of steam after making it through the first four, and haven't gotten back around to working on it more. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:18, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I c... Not our fault that Konami/UDE didn't taking care of banlist change back in that day... Other question; Do I have a right to post an Icon of the card (like just card's image, only base on avatar) in that articles I am about to creating? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:35, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * If the image comes from a card, it's fair-use, and cannot be used in userspace. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:38, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I meant by ... --  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:40, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's technically still fair-use. Where the image is being stored doesn't matter, only its original source. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:43, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, anything that belong to Wikia... Alright, that's no harming - since I posted the article without icon. Thank you again. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:46, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if you're aware... I posted new card article this morning (it's 2:45 PM at my area...) -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:47, January 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cool, I never did quite understand why Cyber-Stein was banned. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:49, January 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is my article give enough explain of why "Cyber-Stein" being banned in first place? Or do you need more? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:52, January 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nah, I pretty much got it. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:54, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Underworld Tour.
Ah, thanks (I was wary at first since it just said "Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL", but no episode number where it actually appeared). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 18:56, January 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. Note, though, that I don't watch ZEXAL, so I can't personally confirm that the card does appear in the episode. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:20, January 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think the card itself is shown, but it's listed in the text of a book that V was reading. So it's sort of an appearance. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:26, January 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, I knew it was in a book, but not that it was only named. Still, if that's good enough for you, Cheesedude, it's fine with me too. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:28, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

"Face-down Summons"
Have the words like above catch your attention yet? If not, then I did already - brought a new theory in my mind and post up the article just now. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:07, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, cards can't be summoned face-down, that is always called "setting". In addition, there's at least one card effect that allows you to either place a monster in face-down Attack Position, or to change the battle position of a face-down monster (though I can't remember which it is, and I can't remember the name of the card). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:13, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's "Darkness Approaches" you were looking for - I am already aware of that. But that's just the theory; with the lore like "Eisbahn", I thought that Konami maybe pull a trick out in some pack in the future; not likely to be immediately... That article I created have explaining that "Summon it in Face-down Attack Position" is actually effect, not Summon Mechanic. Here's the article that you maybe will understand better that way. Just take your time and recover your sleep time. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:17, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Darkness Approaches" may well be the card I was thinking of, but I'm wanting to say I was thinking of a card whose effect specifically requires either placing a monster in face-down Attack Position, or changing the battle position of a face-down monster. *shrugs*
 * I'm not sure that's what they had planned with "Eisbahn" myself; personally, I'm not seeing what the point would be in introducing a face-down summoning mechanic.
 * I actually saw your article before replying. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:24, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cards can be Summoned in face-down Defense Position. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:28, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Let's not forget about "Nimble Momonga" part too... But Cheese get it right - Monster can be Summoned [sic] in face-down Defense Position; so I am pulling that theory that Konami may decide to include "Special Summon in Face-down Attack Position" one day in the future. Again, if there is an Archetype exist, then "Special Summoned in face-down Attack Position" can be as part of the effect, as I mentioned earlier, since it's not complete true to the Summon Mechanic as of now. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:31, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the pointers, Cheesedude... As it turns out, "The Shallow Grave" may well be the card I was thinking of. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:37, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cheer for Cheese as he get a free black cup of coffee. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:43, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype updates
I've deleted the Families category and moved all its members to the series category. In addition, I think we know have only archetypes in the archetype category. I have yet to check on some of the sub-archetypes like "Neo Flamvell" and "XX-Saber" yet though. There are also some interesting cases. Did we ever decide what we're doing with Polymerization (series) (which may be an archetype) and Umi (archetype)? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:05, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * We need an editor versed in Japanese (III?) to confirm that a) there is a difference in Japanese card effects between naming a specific card versus calling for all cards with a given string in their names, and b) the cards marked as "Polymerization" and "Umi" support actually pass that distinction. Ultimately, the support cards for all archetypes with a name identical to a specific card will need to be checked in this way (or are "Polymerization" and "Umi" the only two? I could swear there are more...). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:12, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * There's the whole Dark Magician (series) and Magician (series) thing, which need either be merged or deleted depending on what sort of answer we get. And Jinzo (series), I suppose. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:20, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Dark Magician" and "Jinzo" are probably valid series regardless of the answer we get, since their members have very strong thematic ties. "Magician", on the other hand... Well, it needs review, at the very least. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:08, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * True. On a related note, do we want OCG sets in the "sets" parameter for archetype pages. I've been adding them as I go, but I never actually asked if that was needed or not.
 * I also have to go through "Alchemy", which a gigantic cluster**** at this point. I'll likely be moving it to "Alchemy Beast" and removing the rest of the cards. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:16, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what's going on with the "sets" parameter, to be honest. When I bother with it at all, I usually list every set I can find, for both the TCG and OCG, but then you end up with absolutely massive lists for some series/archetypes.
 * Yeah, that doesn't look pretty at all. I wonder if any of the cards marked as support actually are, or if they all just support individual cards (I'm pretty sure the "Alchemy Beast" support cards only support their companion Alchemy Beast, but it's been too long since I looked through to be sure). Do "Homunculus" and co. form their own thematic series, or are they unrelated to each other? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:35, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fair enough.
 * I'm nearly positive it has no archsupport whatsoever and that every card listed there is a misuse. Depends on which Homonculus you mean. "Golden Homunculus" would be related to the Alchemy Beasts (it even has its own support card just like the Beasts). As far I'm concerned, "Homunculus the Alchemic Being" isn't really related in any way besides the name. And the "Helios" card could perhaps be their own series. At this point, the page really lists "card used by Daitokuji" + "Homunculus the Alchemic Being". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 10:13, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I meant "Homunculus the Alchemic Being", though I may have been *thinking* of "Helios". 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:37, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * All done. Turns out they do have one support card. Also created a page for Helios. The argument could be made that the two series are related to one another, since one "Process" card supports "Alchemy Beasts", another is related and two are related to "Helios". Not sure if that enough to put it under another series banner (no pun intended) of "Alchemy" or not. Regardless, this gave me the idea to create an article about how alchemy is depicted in YGO, as GX had a metric ****ton of references, even if you exclude all of cards we're talking about from the list. I know someone who complied a lot of that information somewhere, I believe they even cited some outside sources too.
 * To clarify, shouldn't Category:Archetypes be added to Category:Series? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:35, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I poked around the support cards and saw that myself a little bit ago. I don't think we need a single overarching series here; it looks like just individual cards from one series that are related to the other. I do think that the "Color Process" cards, though, are their own series.
 * Not really; neither of their definitions fits neatly enough within the other's for that. We could have a see also or something between them, though. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:48, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree. I'll go ahead and make a page for them, then. I guess we'd just use "Process" for the page name, then?
 * I thought that by the definition we were using, all archetypes are series, but not all series are archetypes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:30, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Probably... I want to say that sounds too generic, but there are no examples of archetypes, and precious few of series, with known official names (that I'm aware of) where said official name is not exactly represented in every member's name, which would be the case here if we went with "Color Process".
 * Well, kind of... Generally, archetypes contain series, but there is the possibility of a series containing cards that are not part of the archetype that the series forms the core of (and there are plenty of cases where an archetype includes cards that are not part of the series forming its core). Imagine a Venn diagram where the "series" circle is largely contained by the "archetype" circle, and simultaneously it covers most of the interior area of the "archetype" circle. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:13, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I need some help with checking on "Saber". Does the Japanese text for "Commander Gottoms, Swordmaster" call for "Saber" monsters or just "X-Saber" monsters (which would also include "XX-Saber"). I can't be sure the TCG just didn't use "Saber" as a catch-all for both "X-Saber" and "XX-Saber". With the current wording, "Gottoms" also supports "Sabersaurus", "Saber Beetle" and "Seraphim Saber". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:17, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Also, I went ahead and asked Ryusui about the Umi/Poly issue, since I had another question for him about another archetype issue. And I know he's edited mistranslated archetype names before. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:25, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, his Japanese lore calls for "セイバー". If he was "X-Saber" (and thus "XX-Saber") support only, he'd require "Ｘ－セイバー". So "Saber" is a valid archetype, and it contains both "X-Saber" and "XX-Saber".
 * Cool, hopefully he can help shed some light on this for us. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:57, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, great.
 * He's given his response on his talk page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:10, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Excellent, that's about the answer I was hoping for as well. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:26, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Any opinion on the Six Samurai thing?
 * Am I the only one who finds it odd that the two people actually implementing the archetype restructuring are two people who don't actually play the game? To my knowledge, we're the only active admins that don't actually play, and I doubt there are many active users at all that don't, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:36, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you see my last message. I usually wouldn't ask and just assume you have nothing to say about it, but you very rarely don't respond and usually do even when you have nothing to say. 01:32, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Aah, sorry about that, I somehow managed to miss it. ^_^;;
 * Whatever you want to do with the "Six Samurai" translation is fine by me, since Ryusui seems to be unable to do much more than provide a few possibilities and my own Japanese skills are largely limited to Google Translate. =\
 * Now that you mention it, it is pretty interesting... I hadn't thought of it before now. But then again, aside from Delt and Falzar, I think we're just about the most "general-purpose" active admins around ATM; the rest of the admins all seem to focus on particular areas. Of course, it's also not that surprising that we'd be so outnumbered; Yu-Gi-Oh! is kind of hard to be a fan of without at least a passing interest in playing the card game. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:40, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * (outdent) Fair enough. I may actually go with no translation whatsoever in the lead itself and note that it's complicated and then link to a "Naming" subsection or something. It's really odd case. I should be able to get to fixing the support for the rest of the sub-archetyes tomorrow at some point after do my weekly ZEXAL stuff for tomorrow's episode.
 * True. I did used to play, but quit due to the hole it was putting in my wallet. And the fact that "Gravity Bind" and "Level Limit - Area B" were limited to 1 sealed the deal for now (incidentally, I've had more interest recently in maybe trying to play online somewhere now, since the former card is back up to 2). And honestly, had someone told me several years ago I'd even be contributing here (let alone become an sysop), I'd not have believed it. I never considered myself that big of a YGO fan. It was actually beginning to contribute to here that got me back into it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:57, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cool, sounds like a plan.
 * I was never really big on dueling myself, but the collecting aspect of the TCG really tickles my inner (and outer =D ) OCD tendencies; the only reason I'm not collecting right now is because I have no money to do so with. As for the wiki, I think what really got me interested in contributing was the opportunities for working with templates (especially CardTable2) - there was lots done, but also lots left to do and plenty of ways to improve what we had - and being an admin just sort of goes with that type of work. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:12, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Does a group of cards having an anti-support card make it in archetype or not? I can't recall. If so, then the archetype cat needs to be added manually at this point. It categorizes it as a series since it has no support cards.


 * In regards to your edit summary at "Butterfly Assassin", I believe both are relevant. "Phantom Butterfly Assassin Morpho" and "Phantom Butterfly Assassin Swallowtail" use one spelling, while "Photon Butterfly Assassin" uses the other. All are used by Droite and are related thematically, so I think it counts as one series, unless a support card is introduced. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:06, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * My operating assumption has been "yes"; "Trap Hole" being categorized as a series instead of an archetype was an oversight on my part in Infobox archetype, which I just fixed.
 * There is also the possibility of any support card(s) listing both strings, which has happened at least once before. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:49, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * What's going on at Virus Card? The new infobox is in place, the archetype category isn't manually inserted but the page is listing it as an archetype, but has no listed support. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:28, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * It has anti-support. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:45, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * *squints* Oh yeah, it does. Not sure how I missed that, especially given I just got done reading R like a month ago. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:53, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Why did remove most of the stuff from the "Cat" page?


 * I think all archetype categorization is now done, except for the "Umi" and "Polymerization" pages. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:42, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Most of it was ultimately unnecessary exposition on what constituted an archetype member, from back when we were still nailing down definitions and best practices. I'd really rather remove said exposition from the one or two spots that have it then run around adding it everywhere else. ;)
 * Cool, good work! =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:20, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I suppose as long as its on the archetype page itself that should suffice.


 * Keep in mind I said "I think". I may have missed some, so it wouldn't hurt to have someone else look through the category really quick to be sure. We do still need to update a lot of pages with the new infobox. I'll probably get around to some of that (specfically anything that appeared in GX, because I'm biased) today, but I don't plan on making a concentrated effort to update a lot of pages until I enter another one of my "feel like editing but not thinking" phases. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:16, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've been thinking for a while now about getting a subpage set up in my userspace for tracking archetype/series-related cleanup; I should probably get on that. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:57, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I just now noticed Archetype navbox. Didn't even know it was there. When did you get that finished? All the pages I've updated recently still use the old one, unfortunately. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:30, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * That is the old one, actually; I renamed it a while back. ;) It really doesn't matter which is used on any particular page, but the newer name is a bit easier to read IMO, so I usually switch it when I'm making other changes and I remember/notice. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:35, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, nevermind. Just saw your redirect edit to the Cyber template. Fair enough. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:37, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * What are we doing with DecksAZ? It's not on some pages, I've removed it from others and ignored it altogether on more. Do we need this? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 07:32, January 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know, to be honest. I've seen the template around myself, but never took much notice of it until now. The whole deck list thing needs to be rethought anyways; why is a hand-maintained list (that consists mostly of archetypes and series!) even necessary when we have a category? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:34, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

History Merge
When I moved the LIGHT anti-support page, the history didn't move with it? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:47, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a difference of capitalization: you moved "List of anti-LIGHT support cards" to "List of LIGHT anti-support cards", but there was another (older) list at "List of Anti-LIGHT Support Cards"; this was the list that I history merged in. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:11, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

On a related note, every 3 or so moves my actions get "throttled" when I try to move another page, and I have to wait a few minutes. Is this intentional to prevent users from moving too many pages at once, or is it just a design flaw of the site? It's messin' with my groove. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 04:24, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Forum:Move throttle tracking thread was created for this. Or you could wait. Or, request for being an admin.
 * It's to slow down any annoying page move vandals. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:31, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Lousy vandals. They're why we can't have nice things!
 * Anyway, it's only really an issue when I've moved a card's main page, gallery and rulings, but then have to wait to move its trivia and tips. Not that these things need to be done immediately, of course, it would just be nice to be able to do them all at once, instead of having to divide it up between multiple users and/or minutes. Adminship would be nice; not sure whose support I earned yet, though. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 04:59, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, you've never given me any reason to oppose a hypothetical request... ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:40, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Bogus Alert
Not sure if you're noticing... Boris is still on his old version after his ban being lift off. If you wish to know- oh wait, you knew about this already as you went and read Falzar's Talk Page? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:23, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

you want to becume Affiliates of geisha world-- 13:21, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

unecessery username.
Hey Dinoguy1000, can you delete this (thats not a proper username)? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 23:02, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I can't; it isn't possible to delete accounts in MediaWiki. Your best course of action would be to ask the editor to request a rename to something less offensive; Help:Changing your username documents the necessary procedure. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:11, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Slight missunderstanding. I ment to say "Block", not delete. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 23:23, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * We don't block editors just on the basis of their username AFAIK. If he starts vandalizing, we'll probably block then. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:34, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Gotcha, thanks. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 23:38, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought it was: usernames that are designed to impersonate or attack users, or are offensive can be blocked indefinitely; with the "Prevent account creation" box unchecked.
 * If they have been vandalising, then that can be checked as well. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:34, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * That could be, actually; it would have been better to ask Delt instead of me. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:36, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Whether or not his username is offensive is sort of a matter of opinion though. There was user a while back whose user name was a swastika. He wasn't blocked. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:38, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think I remember that; wasn't it mentioned on Delt's talk page? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:59, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yup. Granted, if someone had the user name "fuckyou", I think they'd be blocked. But the user in question isn't insulting anyone. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:07, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * There was also "Cheesedude2", who was infinitely blocked. The small level of vandalism from them wouldn't normally warrant a block, but since the username was specifically geared at impersonating/mocking another user, they shouldn't be using that account name again even for good intentions.
 * I don't think it's worth blocking every bad language username username that shows up in the user creation log if they show no signs of ever contributing. They're not as harmful. If they do decide to contribute and people have problems with their name, we can suggest they change name or get a new account. If it's for vandalism, block them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:18, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think quite a few of the last bad language names were people who went and spammed chat, so if we see one of these, after a while, we should check if they're on the chat. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:25, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

"clear" and "-"
In the past, my understanding of the difference between clear (div clear) and - (br clear) is that you use "-" when you need to add some more space, e.g. between an infobox and a navbox so that they don't touch off each other and "clear" when you don't e.g. between an image and a header. But really, the infoboxes are lacking CSS margins at the top and bottom. So a "clear" with the right margin CSS in the infobox should stop them touching too and it wouldn't sometimes leave extra unnecessary space in the default skin or different screen resolutions of Monobook. From what I gather on Wikipedia, "-" is to be used between inline tags, while "clear" isn't. I can't think of any times where we've used "-" for that. Do you think we should add the margins to the infobox and mass replace all - with clear? -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:54, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've never understood what the difference between the two was supposed to be... If no one can show a clear example of where one should be used over the other, and a clear explanation of why, I'd be inclined to just choose one and stick with it (and, probably, redirect the other to it). As for the infoboxes, I'd be fine with adding CSS margins. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:56, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think the reason from Wikipedia I gave above was from when  used   and even at that the difference between the templates only applied to browsers that we shouldn't see outside a museum these days. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:41, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I figured as much; there's no reason any more to prefer  over   (least of all because the CSS can be used on any block-level element). 「 ディノ 奴  千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:39, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * After spending ages replacing a lot of - with clear, I think I should have been removing most of them outright. To date they've mostly been used to add a space between infoboxes and navboxes or infoboxes and Decklists as well as stop them overlapping in some browsers. The margin now adds that space and I don't think the overlapping is a problem in any in-date browsers, but we could add a  to the top of Navbox and Decklist to be safe. Do you agree? If so, I probably (← tone: slightly skeptical) won't bother going out of way to remove them all, but will remove them as I come across them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:31, January 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that sounds fine. TBH, we should probably just remove any and all occurrences without exception, and then only readd them when they're actually needed to correct an overlap or something in modern browsers... and even then, we should first check to see if it's something that can be reasonably addressed (e.g. we don't need style rules for a million little trinkets that are only used on 3 pages each) in the global CSS. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:35, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

Technical Stuff
1) Some .js stuff (namely the CustomRollbacks) seems to load after the whole page has loaded. Once it has loaded, some of the text and links shift (they happen to move to the same location as where the undo and edit buttons were, the undo and edit are shifted left a bit), causing me to misclick things. There isn't a way to get the .js to load as the page is loading is there? or another fix you may think of. 2) Do you know if there is a way for AWB to add things to blank pages through Find and Replace (So I can use regex)? Apart from adding a category on one save, then replacing the category on another save. Using Append/Prepend doesn't let me use mutliple seperate regex, and it occurs after the Find and Replace. So making it do the Find and Replace after Prepend would also be a solution to this, if it is possible. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:09, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * For once, I'm not much of any help with technical questions. =D
 * I'm not familiar with the CustomRollbacks script, since I don't use it myself, but user scripts are always the last things to be loaded on pageload (or at least, they were before the introduction of the ResourceLoader in 1.17, which Wikia doesn't use yet...), and there's no way to change that without adding the script globally.
 * I've never tried creating pages in AWB, so I don't know too much about that either. What type of page are you wanting to create? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:32, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I used appendCSS in the .js but that apparently it loads as the page is loading (unlike the rest of the js stuff on the same page), not after the whole page loaded (was trying to get it to move down after the page has loaded).
 * Like for example, blank page (not new page), adding the OCG-TCG card image template.
 * I'm pretty sure I can get it to add all the stuff in prepend, except the name parameter. That will need regex to fix the name (which I have done before, when converting the TF images links to a card names list, didn't save it so you can't find it, I copied the list in edit mode to somewhere else), and I don't feel like saving twice. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:48, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I'd have suggested replacing it with CSS in your monobook.css file, but it seems there's no &lt;body/> class that applies to Special:Contributions and all its subpages. =/
 * Aah, I see. Stupid question, perhaps, but have you tried a regular regex Find and Replace, just leaving the Find field blank? If that doesn't work, does having  in Find and   in Replace?
 * How exactly are you doing the name fixing (what are the regexes you're using)? In particular, how are you accounting for cards with omitted non-space characters in their names? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:37, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * The current appendCSS in my .js is working fine, and applies for all Contribution sub-pages, as I wanted it to. I'm actually asking about the ones shown when you click on diff (or 2 changes)... and I just thought of a fix. The problem is that it if things are aligned to the middle, then if the text changes, the text shifts outwards. I just aligned it to the left, then no shifting occurs.
 * Leaving the Find field blank doesn't do anything, same thing (nothing) occurs for ., .*, ^, $ and ^$ in the Find field as well.
 * Putting spaces in front of capital letters, then the main exceptions like T.G. and X-Saber.
 * That covered almost all of them when I used it on the TF list. The rest back then on the TF list where manually changed. If I were to do it on a large scale, I could get SMW to list all cards, then easily filter out (by using a Find all option) and create 2 lists, one contains the real names of cards containing those characters (the small "and", "to", "a", etc), the other has them removed etc. Then get jEdit to create a massive Find and Replace file (this step is already macroed, I use it for the moved page fixes I've been doing, and a similar one for the double redirects except the lists are already here for me to copy paste). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:07, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sort of technical stuff, so I'll continue. You or Deltaneos can answer this one.
 * Reckon I'll be violating any copyrights by uploading a few more images like File:ORCS-SP-Poster.jpg?
 * I've left them with high resolution because they are advertisement posters after all. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:08, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Deltaneos has answered this one already so you can ignore this. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:53, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Rank/Level on Card List
Oh, i just switched the two cause it looks much better than before. To me, it's been bugging me since the first time I modified it. Yeah... I was the guy who first designed order we sorta have now, but you guys have the Level/Rank switched. So, I just switched them back, cause it'd look much better than before. Not quite sure why it satisfy me, but I think it's because maybe we always see rank on the left-hand side of the card layout, and level on the right-hand side. Not sure about your opinion. Dude, I asked several times before. No one answered me... I think I used an IP address since my user account was slowing down and lagging when i tried editing before, but now it's okay. (I even tried creating a new user, but still...) LastMinute (talk • contribs) 06:57, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

stupid argument
Look, all I was doing was trying to make a slideshow out of images. The slideshow was a failure, and the images that were already on the wiki were uploaded at the same places as before. Okay? So I never just uploaded the same pictures in the same place for no reason. —This unsigned comment was made by Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 15:01, January 27, 2012


 * It would have helped, then, if you had told Falzar exactly why you were reuploading images after his first message to you; all of this unpleasantness could have been avoided and you probably could have even gotten help from someone (maybe even me, though I haven't done much of anything with the slideshow functionality, so I don't really know how to use it or how it works). ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:37, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Wikia skin and previously the Monaco skin have features for inserting images for users who are unfamiliar with wikitext. They give you three ways of locating images: a list of recently uploaded images, a search and an upload button. The search is based on full words making it difficult to find images when we don't space out words in their filenames. I think that people save images from this site and reupload them because it's the only way they can see to insert them with these features. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:07, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Really? It doesn't even let you search image description pages? That is utterly retarded. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:38, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * My thought exact, Dino... I mean Dino. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:49, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * So it automatically re-uploads the image even though you can use the image without re-uploading it anyways? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:58, January 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * It doesn't happen automatically. The users do it themselves when they can't see any other way of adding the image. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:12, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * So when you upload the exact same image through that feature, there's no warning saying the file already exists? (unlike what happens when you upload through Special:Upload)
 * @Dinoguy It's basically the same as the regular galleries, except you add type="slideshow" in the gallery tag.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:53, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * This behavior just gets more and more retarded, the more that I learn about it. At the very least, the tool should offer the same warnings that the standard upload tool does. Ideally, though, it would check for any images on the wiki that are identical to the images the user is uploading - if there is already an uploaded image under that name, the image the user uploaded should be ignored, and if there is an identical image under a different name, the tool should automatically (though perhaps not silently) switch to the already-uploaded image.
 * @Falzar: Yeah, I think I've seen the code one or two times elsewhere. It actually makes a lot of sense to implement it by reusing the existing gallery markup. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:09, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ignition Monster effects
I moved Ignition Effect back to Ignition Monster Effect, since all Spells and Traps link to the Ignition-like Effect page. The Card Table link for Ignition still links to Ignition Effect, and an Admin will need to adjust that. I just wanted to bring it to your attention, in case no one notices right away. Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:07, February 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * And once again I realize my move may have been premature. When I looked at your reason for moving the page, you had noted it was because Spells and Traps could have Ignition effects as well. But I suppose "monster" should stay removed, since it's redundant, right? Such is the case with Quick Effect and Trigger Effect. Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:22, February 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Back when I moved the page, there were Spell and Trap Cards included in the list (as I noted in my edit summary); I think they should all be "Ignition-like Effect" now. Nevertheless, yeah, including "Monster" would probably be unnecessary redundancy. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:35, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Cardtable styles
Is there any reason why the cardtable styles are on both MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Wikia.css? Wouldn't just the common.css suffice? I also want to add a  to just the Wikia skin to fix a problem mentioned at Forum:Wiki Pages Look Odd?. Should I add it to the Wikia.css or add a rule that only affects that skin... or not add it at all? -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:22, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Back when I developed and deployed the styles, I'm pretty sure the Wikia skin didn't load Common.css. If this is no longer true, there's really no benefit to keeping two copies of the styles, and the one in Wikia.css should be removed.
 * If the Wikia.css copy is removed, obviously that should be added in Common.css, but if not, it should probably be added in Wikia.css. If it fixes the problem and has no adverse side effects, though, why shouldn't it be added? (and also, considering the maximum width of the Wikia skin content area is 660px, why does it use min-width instead of max-width?) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:00, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're right, that's a mistake, it should have been "max-width". But as it turns out, it doesn't fix the problem. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:10, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Nowrapping problem
.navbox .hlist dd, .navbox .hlist dt, .navbox .hlist li { white-space: nowrap;     /* Nowrap list items in navboxes */ white-space: normal !ie; /* IE < 8 no-wraps entire list, so disable it */ } .navbox .hlist dd dl, .navbox .hlist dt dl, .navbox .hlist li ol, .navbox .hlist li ul { white-space: normal;     /* But allow parent list items to be wrapped */ }

This is in both our MediaWiki:Common.css and Wikipedia's. (If you have a wider screen resolution than me, you might need to add more list items to see the problem.) The first bit stops list items in navboxes from line breaking when you use hlist. The second part allows the list itself to line break.

I've previewed the following both here and Wikipedia:

It works fine on Wikipedia, but here the list doesn't line break and goes off the page. I don't see what has been done different on Wikipedia. The  rule seems to be causing the problem though, as switching it off with Chrome's "inspect element" fixes it. I don't see why that rule should even affect in this example, since the  isn't inside an   as far as I can see.

Any ideas? -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:32, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm... This one has me stumped, too. I'll try running through our styles later and see if anything sticks out there that could somehow be affecting this (and take the opportunity to check for anything needing updated from Wikipedia or wherever).
 * That rule works by selecting a descendant  element of an element with the   class, which is itself a descendant of an element with the   class. It does not, however, need to be a direct descendant, so the rule selects "through" intervening layers of elements - in this case, the   containing the list. If, on the other hand, the rule used the ">" selector (making it  ), each element selected in the rule would have to be a direct child of the element listed immediately before it, and it would indeed not apply here (or anywhere else, since "naked"  s aren't allowed in HTML). 「 ディノ 奴  千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:20, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * In the last part, I meant  affects  s but not necessarily the   they are inside. From what I can see that should be all that's needed to apply nowrap to the list items, but not the list itself... unless the   is nested inside an   of another list, which is what I thought the second rule was needed for. But in this case the list doesn't seem to be nested, so while the first rule affects the , it should have no effect on the   they are inside. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:40, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Aah, now I see. Yes, it definitely should not be affecting the  itself. =/ 「 ディノ 奴  千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:44, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think I see the problem now. On Wikipedia, a column of  gets rendered neatly as:

  A B C 
 * On Wikia, it gets rendered as:

 A B </li>C </li></ul>
 * So Wikipedia has space between the s for it to line break over, but Wikia doesn't. It's probably because they're on a newer version on MediaWiki. Maybe we should drop the nowrapping CSS until we catch up? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:41, February 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't look at the raw HTML, though I really don't see how that could be the problem myself; HTML is supposed to be whitespace-agnostic (but then, there are weirder rendering bugs). I don't think it'd hurt to drop the CSS for now, no (though at the same time, it's hard to say when we might catch up; Wikia is still running 1.16.5, whereas 1.17.0 was released seven months ago). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:37, February 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * From what I hear, Wikia will be skipping 1.17 and updating to 1.18 next. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:03, February 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's good, but not my point. I was getting at the idea that Wikia has had oodles of time to test all their infrastructure and code against an updated version of MediaWiki (be it 1.17 or one more recent). At any rate, though, at this point I'd be inclined to ask, why not simply wait for 1.19's release? It's only a couple months out at most, I think. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:57, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

RfA help
You can wake up to three difficult messages now...... Sorry.

Could and those of you I think have watchlisted this page, have a look at NexusShiker's RfA and comment if you want to? As it is, I think if I close it as unsuccessful, it'd be too biased in favour of what I want and if I close it as successful, it might be biased in favour of his friends from Special:Chat. You can comment on the others too if you wish. I did try contacting TwoTailedFox a few days ago, but I don't think he still uses any of things I tried contacting him through. I might ask him if he could close them if he replies, but it's been a week now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:46, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Signature Link
Oh thanks for the warning, i already fix it, thanks once more.-- Evolution  Blast2 (Talk) 12:36, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Tag Force Image Ripping
Hey, I'd be happy to help with the direct ripping if you can take what I've done so far and give me a batch file or a program that works similarly. :)

If you need what I have so far to the point of tools and instructions, I'd be happy to write that out. —This unsigned comment was made by SXR Wahrheit (talk • contribs) 15:57, February 13, 2012


 * QuickBMS can be used to automate calls to arbitrary executables, though I've never used it myself, so I don't know how to use its scripting language (though I do have a bit of experience with its predecessor, MexScript). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:42, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

A few things

 * What are we doing for the infoboxes at Type and Attribute? We can't use the new archetype infobox, since it was categorize them as series automatically. Are you planning on making infoboxes for them or are we just going to continue using the old archetype infobox for them.
 * Is there any way to generate a list of Card Appearances pages that are using images? There are some that have images on them that should be moved to the gallery pages. As much as I love Card Appearances (to the point that I still consider it my main focus despite all the other stuff I do), I really don't want to go through every single page to find the images. I'm also not convinced we need to remove the images from the Card Appearances pages themselves, though I have seen other users do so in the past with no explanation whatsoever.
 * There was something else, but I can't bloody remember what. Some sort of tracking category question I think... Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:44, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Those'll get their own infoboxes at some point, yes. I'm not sure if the articles "Type" and "Attribute" will use the infoboxes as well, or just the individual "Dragon", "Fairy", "EARTH", "LIGHT", etc. articles (I'm leaning towards not, though).
 * Not on-wiki (since there isn't a template associated with the images, unless I'm mistaken), but it would be possible with AWB, I think (it could go through and find images on pages on its own, but the list itself would still have to be compiled manually).
 * If you remember, do come ask, my tracking category fetish is a bit underfed recently (did that sound weird? I'm pretty sure that sounded weird). =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:38, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, cool. I'll just leave them as they are for now then.
 * I may look into that, then.
 * I will. And yeah, it sounds weird. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:35, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Chart
To let you know, "Magical Stone Excavation" is not explained in that Chart you just fixed. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:44, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, I know (I was the one that added its section header). Unfortunately, I have no idea what the details requiring a note are, so I can't add it. =/ 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:54, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Dude, when did Magical Stone Excavation became limited or whichever? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:41, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * According to the chart, it was a late addition to the April 2006 list, where it went from Unlimited to Limited. However, like I said, I don't know any details about it. On the other hand, now that I look, the relevant list says that it was limited only in the OCG. So, really, I know even less of what's going on here than I did before. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:49, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * From what I am aware - it showed "LA", which is late added that is approved in TCG. If you wanted it to approve for OCG, put difference instead. So was it April 1, 2006 when it became limited? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:52, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know. I'm not the one that originally added the note to the table, and I'm not the one that added the note to the Lists article. I don't know which, if either, is correct (or if they both are); I don't know where to look to find out; I don't know who else might know. So I really can't do much of anything about it right now. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:02, February 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright, I just throw it in for now, prevent it from being listed with no reasons. So not your fault for not get enough information or time to complete it. Relax and do your normal work for now. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:05, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protect
Could you please Semi-protect this page? Unregestered users keep removing information out of it for no reason (I even backed it up with a reference after the last revert, and it still got removed. Plus it isn't speculation ether)? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 19:56, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Semi'd for two weeks. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:05, February 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It really annoys me when stuff is removed out of a page without a reason (or good reason). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 21:24, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Image
The reason why he removed it is because it look like "fan-made", just like I did with Banish Psychic. To be honestly, the one I revived was horrible compare to one you just put in - because your version is more on theme. Mine had Different Dimension Gate which Psychic had no connect with. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:06, February 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * The one I readded (or rather, reverted the removal of) was uploaded by Falzar, and he says on the file description page that it's from Tag Force 5. I'm inclined to take the word of an admin that specializes in obtaining and uploading TF images over some random anon. ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:49, February 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * That license is about when I first uploaded the image. It is the revision on 06:06, July 22, 2011. Then Killergouhl uploaded a montage over it without changing the license.
 * I'm not sure if we allow fan-made montages, so I haven't reverted it. But I didn't notice the license not being changed.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:13, February 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * That was interesting, Dino... But at least Dark World's icon is like... focus on the theme. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:17, February 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I didn't actually pay attention to the different file versions... The image looked well-made, so I just assumed it was a montage from in-game or something.
 * I don't think such montages should be allowed, really, because then we have the potential of getting into "my montage is better than his, so why do you refuse to use it" territory. In most cases, I don't really think we even need montages of the type you uploaded, Falzar; it's probably better to just use the TF image of a representative member. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:31, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Protection
Can you semi-protecting this page? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  03:06, February 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cheesedude already blocked the person responsible; there's no need for protection at this time. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:27, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Renamed cards
Ah ok! Thanks! ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 09:14, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

hello
thanks for helping me editing Shunsuke Kazama's page..oh btw, he was nicknamed 'Kazapon' by Johnny's Entertainment's artists there--Nur Fadzila (talk • contribs) 07:38, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. =)
 * Do you have a link or something for that? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:32, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

nope..but anyway,thanks :D--Nur Fadzila (talk • contribs) 22:04, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

*sighes*
Ok, here's another new archetype problem. There are certain things that are classified as archetypes in the anime and manga, but are not in the OCG and TCG. This is usually not a problem. But there are some that have their support cards released - but not as support cards. The manga version of "Spawn Alligator" is the sole support card for "Alligator", but is not archsupport in the TCG. The "Heroic" cards are now also an issue. The anime support cards that supported "Heroic Challenger" and "Heroic Champion" have all been retooled to be "Heroic" support. If we don't classify these as archsupport on the cad pages, the infobox will not recognize them as archetypes. So now what? Do we list them on the card pages anyway despite their real effects? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:59, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * We had a similar problem with Great Queen Fallen Angel, Rosarian, if you'll recall (though in that case, the archetypes were used as Fusion Materials, which we've agreed don't constitute archsupport). We could add new "anime/mangaarchsupport" parameters, but that would introduce its own set of problems and complexities, especially considering how few cards it would actually end up being needed on. Probably the simplest solution, then, is to tag them as archsupport in spite of their OCG/TCG effects; as long as we have the anime/manga lore, it should be fine. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:19, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * True, though those fit quite nicely into archrelated. Ok, I'll go ahead and do it that way then. I'll get around to creating the aforementioned "Heroic" pages tomorrow. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:04, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cool.
 * Back on the subject of Fusion Monsters with an archetype for a Fusion Material, are there any cases you know of where that is the only way an archetype is defined (the archetype has no proper support cards, that is)? Even in such a case, we should still consider it an archetype, I think... 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:42, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Not off-hand, no. I can look into later though, since that certainly piques my curiosity.. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 13:26, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Went ahead and checked. The answer appears to be no.
 * "Heroic" fixed itself. One support card for each of the sub-archetypes was retained as support for only the sub-archetype. I created the pages and listed the support cards that aren't as related. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:18, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought. It's still possible that there could be one, though; our coverage of anime/manga effects is far from perfect, so it's not a bad idea to keep the possibility in mind, at least. =)
 * Cool. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:46, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Profile Image
Since you're perhaps aware that I put up the profile box in my User Page - I am curious of how to get my image in there from other site... Just simple to the one I created to show the image of cards I found or created... However, it didn't work as it such to be... -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:09, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Adding images to Infobox/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Character when it's used in the User: namespace is disabled to discourage people from using fair-use images. I've gone ahead and changed up your userpage so the image will display. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:39, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The one I don't using from this site - I just used the one from other site, which NOT belong to this site as well... you know, hybrid of Squirrel/Spider creature, that has nothing to do with Yu-Gi-Oh... But, thank you for shoving it over. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:49, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Page Protection Code?
Is there any type of page protection template, that any normal user can use? Not counting the Archive Template. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  00:03, March 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * There shouldn't be one available. The archive one uses css to disable the edit button, it technically doesn't protect it.
 * Page protection requests can go in the admin noticeboard I suppose.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:30, March 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Right, page protection is admin-only. There are ways to fake it with CSS and JS, but ultimately nothing short of actual page protection will stop a sufficiently determined individual from editing a page (and in some cases, at least, not even that will suffice, but that's another matter altogether ;) ). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:57, March 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see thanks. Not that I had any hope there would have been something like that, but never hurts to ask I suppose. Anyway, thanks! You guys are great help as always. -- - Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  00:43, March 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:54, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Funny typo
Not just say that Delta made his own typo, but you ever misspell that very word in the summary. Just for some chuckles and funny thing, no offense if it sound like insult or something. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:59, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I don't think I've ever made that particular typo, but I've certainly made more than my fair share of them (including, I'm sure, plenty of funny ones). =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:06, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure, Funny Magician... just keep your hat tricky as always ^_^ -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:11, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I sometimes use "tyop" and "speel" on purpose. *true story*
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:10, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Rouge angles of satin. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:16, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Falzar: every time you see "tyop" in an edit summary of mine, there's a 99.9% chance it's intentional (if it's the only word in the summary, or the edit consists solely or mainly of typo corrections, it's 100%). ;)
 * Cheesedude: I always wanted to be a rouge admin, but I don't think I've ever been red enough. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:44, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

New mover group
Wikia set up the "mover" user group got added a couple of hours ago. It wasn't easy to set up, so it's not unlikely that there could be a few problems and we should test for them.

I only requested the "mover" group, but I did link to this forum. They might have tried making the other two changes that you suggested there, or they might have just made mistakes that made it look that way. Looking at Special:ListGroupRights, the differences I see are:
 * Bureaucrats can add "mover", "patroller" and "bot".
 * Bureaucrats can remove "mover" and "patroller".
 * Bureaucrats can no longer remove "admin" or "bot".
 * Admins can add "mover", "rollback, "patroller".
 * Admins can remove "mover", "rollback, "patroller".

My comments:
 * Although that mentions patroller, that group doesn't seem to exist. It doesn't have its own section on Special:ListGroupRights and I don't see it on Special:UserRights/Example. But that right wasn't actually requested.
 * Admins and bureaucrats being able to add/remove mover is fine.
 * Admins being able to add rollback, I think is a plus, but that wasn't requested.
 * Bureaucrats being able to add bots I'd say is a plus, but that wasn't requested. I didn't notice bureaucrats were able to remove bots beforehand. I suppose losing that is a minus.
 * Bureaucrats not being able to remove admins, I'd say is a minus. It's something we'd hope isn't needed, but it's good to have it just in case.

Does Special:UserRights/Example do exactly what Special:ListGroupRights says admins should be able to use it for, apart from add/remove patrollers?

I guess the next thing to do is test the movers group on a dummy account. And compile any mistakes there with the unwanted changes mentioned above. The wanted but unrequested changes, I suppose we should let Wikia know about and see if we can get an okay before keeping them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 03:18, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, everything appears to be in order insofar as admins adding/removing rights is concerned (based solely on what appears on Special:UserRights, and without actually testing).
 * Should we just test the mover group on one of the bot accounts, since those are already set up?
 * Yeah, it'd be better to get confirmation that they're intended rather than just assuming they are and having them taken from us.
 * Would there be any problem with you posting a transcript of the email conversation? It's not really that important, but I'm a bit curious as to what was said. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess one of the bots would be a better option since they're already autoconfirmed. I don't know if you can use the additional rights mover has without the basic "move", which non-autoconfirmed users don't have. (Although that would be interesting to check, in which case I have a User:Deltaneos=test left over from Forum:Chat help!.) We should maybe remove the bot flag since bot already has a few of the mover rights. VSTF can still remove bot flags. I don't think anyone would mind if I used that for testing this.
 * I don't see any problem with showing the email transcript for this particular request:

<div style="padding:1em; border:1px dashed #2F6FAB; background:#F9F9F9; line-height:1.1em; margin-left:50px;"> Could we get a custom user group called "mover", with the following rights: "movefile", "noratelimit" and "suppressredirect" on the Yu-Gi-Oh! wiki (http://yugioh.wikia.com)?

In Yu-Gi-Oh! almost everything is released in Japan first and gets renamed when released in English, rather than use a direct translation. Each card page has a few related pages and images, all of which need to be renamed whenever the card is renamed. When a new set with new cards is released in English, this can mean hundreds of page moves. A lot of non-administrator users are slowed down and unable to finish renaming something without these page move related rights.

We have a forum discussing this here: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Some_new_usergroups

Thank you.

Hello Deltaneos,

Thanks for contacting Wikia. I have set up the user group "mover" this morning. Please keep in mind that these things are honestly a bit hard to set up, so it's entirely within the realms of possibility that it will need a few more tweaks to get just right. Please test the right out and make sure it does function the way you intended.
 * -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Which one shall we try with, then, yours or mine?
 * Yeah, that would be interesting to check, though I don't think we'd ever actually make use of it even if it does turn out to work. ;)
 * Aah, interesting. Who was it that replied? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:49, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * How about you try it with Dinobot1000 and I'll try it with Deltaneos=test? It was DaNASCAT who replied. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:16, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually it turns out Deltaneos=test is autoconfirmed. We can just test with that one. If you want to test yourself, I can still remove Dinobot's bot flag temporarily if you like. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:21, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nah, I'm fine just using Deltaneos=test. We both still want to try granting and revoking the usergroup, though, to make sure everyone who should be able to do so, actually can do so, right?
 * I kinda figured that's who it was. =D
 * Have you asked yet about the stuff we got that you didn't ask for? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:28, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we should both try granting/revoking. You can go ahead and be the first if you like. No, I haven't replied to his email yet. I was waiting until we test it first. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:34, March 6, 2012 (UTC)