User talk:Hawk00Refferencer

Welcome
Hello Hawk00Refferencer, and welcome (again? ;) ) to the Yu-Gi-Oh! wiki. Would you mind if I list you as a Croatian translator on User:Dinoguy1000/translators? And if you need any help with anything or have any questions, please feel free to ask. Happy editing! 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:54, May 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, this is my first time having an actual account. I did countless additions to the wikia in the past, mostly doing Croatian translations or improving trivia, so finding anything for me to edit has become sort of a search work.
 * Thanks for the welcome. I would be honored to translate more card names. Does this mean I can see what cards lack a Croatian name? --Hawk00Refferencer 15:07, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * I do have a question: how do I do that "undo revision thisandthat" thing? I just saw someone vandalized Worm Noble's arabic name in favor of useleess text.--Hawk00Refferencer 15:10, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I figured it out. --Hawk00Refferencer 15:11, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all your work over the years, then. ^_^
 * Is there any official Croatian media? If so, I'll be sure to add tracking for cards that don't have a Croatian name when I do the same for other languages with official releases. (I may actually do so for all languages we support, but I haven't decided yet, and official languages will get priority regardless.) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:39, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * (-_-) What we have in Croatia can barely be called proper media. There's no mangas here, and the cards are in English. There is even a dubbed version of the anime, but it only uses English names since the GX era onwards, s there's barely and Croatian card material at all. I'm trying to promote a fully-translated approach by contributing in this way.
 * The pre-GX era did have card names translated, but those names were seriously missed, not being logical or correct at all, the translators must have been drunk when they wrote the script for that. OI! Don't you dare put those names up as official Croatian names, you hear me! Otherwise the Egyptian gods will be named after fish! --Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 14:51, May 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, if the names are official, they need to be documented as such, regardless of their objective quality. That being said, there will be room for unofficial but more accurate translations in the future, so all is not lost. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:50, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not a soul in all Croatia thinks THOSE are official names. They can't possibly be treated as such because they basically changed the names every 5 seconds and every 2 episodes. --Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 09:09, May 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Regardless, they need to be documented. If they weren't translated consistently, that's a strong argument for not using them as the primary Croatian name (I think we'll have a similar situation with official Greek names, which were also inconsistent), but we still should have them listed. We can always figure out the specifics of presentation later, though. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:25, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * So you want to store those incorrect names under the "names" section, but not under the main card article? I guess I can live with that, but I honestly can't remember them all, and I really, reeeeeeeeeeeeally don't want to go watch that dub just for that sake. I can enumerate some examples, though. "Embodiment of Apophis" was simpply called "Paklara", which means "lamprey" (maybe it was some weird pun for "pakao" which means hell, but I have no idea how they got to that idea). Next, "Slifer the Sky Dragon" was simply called "Nebeski Zmaj", which only means "Sky Dragon" or "Heavenly Dragon", although they did include "Slifer" as part of the name during the Battle City finals. Next we have "Summoned Skull" as "Skeletor" (I don't have to say what this name was based on, right?), "Celtic Guardian" as "Gorštak" (this is a phrase used to describe people living in mountains), "Red Eyes Black Dragon" was simply called "Pakleni Zmaj" (Hell Dragon), Silver Fang as "Divlja Zvijer" (Wild Beast), Rocket Warrior as "Raketar" (the rocketter), Gilfort the Lightning as "Olujni Vitez" (Storm Knight), Relinquished as "Mrtvozornik" (the mourger), Battle Steer as "Viking" (the viking), and I honestly can't remember the rest of them. I do know that because of the poor naming the show rapidly changed expressions for terms and names, as well as voice actors, and did not go further than the Battle City arc of the DM era. Every other era from GX afterwards uses english terms for names and terms (which is really, really annoying because they don't even pronounce it correctly).
 * If they really have to be documented, may I do it personally?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 10:05, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * After the card page redesign, the names should all be documented on the main article, and the Card Names pages should be disappearing (that's what the mockups do currently, and is the current plan unless someone raises an objection and provides a reasonable alternative). Basically, we're going to have separate tables for each media version of a card (OCG/TCG, anime, manga, various video games, and the other card games and whatnot), with each table documenting the official name of the card in the languages it was released in for that media (I hope that makes sense @_@ ), and then at or near the bottom of the article will be a dedicated "Names" section enumerating all the official names, and that's where unofficial names will be listed. There are still details to be worked out about the whole thing, though, and as I mentioned above, we'll probably make exceptions on "official names only" in the main card tables for stuff like Croatian (and Greek and Arabic and whatnot) where the official names were just completely half-assed and inconsistent, in which case the tables will list a "preferred" fan translation (probably with an indication that it's unofficial), and the official name(s) will only be listed in the "Names" section.
 * I definitely won't begrudge you for not wanting to rewatch the Croatian dub just to get the official names, and I also won't argue if you want to personally handle all that yourself. It would be a good opportunity to document the Croatian dub in general, though (voice actors, character names, etc.), if that interests you at all. I would suggest creating a subpage in your userspace where you can start listing all this stuff to keep it all straight, especially since that would mean if you do decide to rewatch the Croatian dub, you can go one episode at a time, list out all the info in your userspace, and then not have to suffer through the dub again. =)
 * If you want me to explain anything I mentioned better, please ask, I don't think I did a very good job of it here. XD 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:21, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Boy, the idea of having all those wrong names put under the main article sure does terrify me, I can tell you that.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 10:28, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh. =) If it's any consolation, as I said, for cases like Croatian the official names will probably be sequestered to the "Names" section at the bottom of the page, so they'll still be reasonably out-of-the-way. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:15, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Before I forget, we need to do something about this guy: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.105.228.3 I cincerely doubt he has this wikia's best iterest at heart. --Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 18:43, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

China is not Language!
Yea, my bad - Must had a brain fart or something. But thank you for correcting my mistake. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:02, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, you used caps lock, does this mean you're mad?--Hawk00Refferencer 16:19, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, on an unrelated note, I don't know if you are but you can add your signature by typing four tildes ( ~ ) instead of writing it out manually. :) 16:33, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Better now, Hawk Gawk? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:52, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I did add a signature via button. Why, did it not connect?--Hawk00Refferencer 17:06, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, it's better to type it down rather than click the button - as it must be glitch and no longer work that way since we are often using the keyboard over that button clicking on. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:09, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * So I just write my name like usual? Sounds like a bit of a pain--Hawk00Refferencer 19:18, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * No. Just type in 4 tildes. Your sig will show up when you publish your change. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 20:51, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Using the signature button is fine. I think, it's the absence of links in your signature is causing people to think you're typing the signature, rather than using an automatic one. In Special:Preferences, you've probably ticked the box labelled "I want to use wikitext in my signature", which removes the automatic links. It's advisable that you either untick that box or manually add a link to your user page in the box above it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:54, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, done. Better now? --Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 22:15, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, looks good. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:19, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Card names
It's to maintain some semblance of order. If a user placed all the appropriate info in a page, but in random harum-scarum order, the page would still be organized correctly, but if a person edited it, it would be a mess. The names should be listed in alphabetical order as such. And yes, Japanese names always come last, regardless of alphabetical order. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 20:47, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks for clearifying that. I'll be careful from now on. --Hawk00Refferencer 21:25, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Name
Odd in this edit you changed the Croatian name. I am sure that Battle is Borba, Ship is Brod, Cherry is Trešnja and Blossom is Cvijet. Not sure why would you change this... Same goes to the other card names. E n e r g y X ∞ 18:09, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Those are all correct translations, yes, but if you put all those together it sounds quite dull. It takes more than correctivity for a translation to be good. It takes dedication, creativity and stability. Croatian is not dedicated to the TCG, we can use our transcriptional origins from the OCG if anything else fails.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 18:28, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
You're welcome, friend. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:12, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Admin
Again, I am Mover, not Admin. And yes, I am aware that we got some supports on our sides, such as this and Gallis Man. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:28, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * I hear no difference. But it might be just me. I also hear no difference between a Professor, Doctor, or Deacon. It's all some titles of authority, moreover wiser and more experienced than I am, deserving my respect. But if I insulted you by saying this, I appologize.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 22:36, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't know we can have friend-lists.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 22:36, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * No worry, you have my full trust on this. I created that friend-list long ago when I was still "immature" in that system. You can create one of your own if you like to, Hawk. Also, I am surprise that Yami was on that IP-Addressed User's side this time. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:38, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * And also, I am pretty sure they don't mind being called by their Usernames, not by title or rank. Just treat them like as if we are neighborhood and all of that. You can call me FredCat, Fred, iFredCat, or Freddy. Just as long as the name you chose that suited for your taste, I am fine with that. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:41, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reply
I don't, I just read the information the site has. E n e r g y X ∞ 19:35, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * That sounds a bit backhand. I usually wait to see the episode until I decide on a translation, in case I get any other information that might entirely explain what the card's name is based on. Now it makes it look like I'm against your every action, I'm sorry for that.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 19:44, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hm, it could be "Duševni", but that is a rough translation, so maybe "Dušrick"? Both are very odd and I cannot think what is better. E n e r g y X  ∞ 19:41, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Please don't be insulted, but that sounds dull. When you say "Duševni" or anything else based on "duh", it may as well mean "spirit", that's why I usually use the words "sablasni" or "avet" to translate "ghost". It must also be a pun for "trik". Something like "Avetrik"?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 19:44, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I like the way you think. Avetrik it is. E n e r g y X  ∞ 19:45, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, since there are 2 seperate name models (1st "Ghostrick X" and 2nd "X of Ghostrick"), how about mentioning the Croatian names as "X Avetrika"?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 19:50, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * It would sound weird something like "Avetrikska Vještica", while "Vještica Avetrika" sounds much better. E n e r g y X  ∞ 20:06, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I came up with a few more variations. Which one do you preffer? "Avetrik", "Sablastrični" (Sablast + Trik), "Sablastrik", "Straškavi" (basically, the "trick" in Ghostrick refers to "trick or treat", but since there's no evident translation for that, the closest I got to translate that is either "trik" or something Halloween based, "maškare").--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 21:26, May 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Straškavi" sounds neat, more so than the others. You should use that one, in my opinion. E n e r g y X  ∞ 21:32, May 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'll take that one under consideration. Should we wait until we hear the TCG name as well?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 16:04, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Math =/= Explanation
Basic mathematics are poor reasons for the "Numbers" number. The other fact of 5 rank 4 was false as both characters only possess two rank 4 monsters each. Jet-Black Nova (talk • contribs) 19:21, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, first off: Why is everyone so afraid of replying on their own profile?
 * and second: What other explanation is there? You dislike the complex theories, you dislike the simple theories, you guys are giving an impression like you don't give a bootstrap about what Numbers stay for. Are you saying no Number holds any kind of significance?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 19:36, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Removing Number 7 Trivia
I don't think you need to move the trivia regarding Number 7: Lucky Straight to the new forum page. On Forum:Restore Numbers trivia we agreed to keep obvious trivia like Number 7's on it's own trivia page. So there's would be no reason to move it. -- Dark Ace SP ( Talk )  17:01, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not "removing" it, I'm stating all the possible Number meanings for the Number cards on that table. Besides, if you really thought they're all so obvious, we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 20:17, May 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * What do you mean? It's still in the table. I only removed it from the official card trivia page because that's what was agreed to. -- Dark Ace SP  ( Talk )  20:38, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * What? When did we agree on that? Are you saying you want to remove ALL the Number meanings permenantely?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 20:39, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Limited Usage
I'm not sure. Maybe there's just a limit as to how many times you can click the "next" button. In any case, I hypothesized that as I skipped over "scrolling" through all that, by messing with the address bar. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Property:Croatian_name?from=Oyster+Token#SMWResults is an example, but I replaced "Oyster+Token" with "O-Oversoul". Maybe what you can do to avoid this is just input a certain card name in the address bar to avoid skimming through the early alphabetical results. Hope this helps. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 23:26, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, you can go back to my talk page where TwoTailedFox also left a message that can help you. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 23:27, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Seen it, thanks a bunch.
 * PS: out of curiosity, why is it that every time I leave a message to someone they end up replying on my wall instead? I don't mind that, I'm just curious.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 15:31, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

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Number Trivia
Now are you feeling better to have all those "trivial" things that nailed down in some articles where original articles can't keep? At least I showed you some respect when coming to Croatian names - someone disagreed strongly to your in one article, but I reverted it back to normal just for you. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:06, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate that, although if people seem to dislike the translations I make it would've been my duty to see why they dislike it and if the new name is a better idea.
 * The question remains, are YOU satisfied that I looked up all that Number detective work? Not all of those Numbers were easy to track, y'know.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 19:32, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would say the same with Joey and the Card Artworks gender conflict. And I don't think "satisfy" is right word for that line - I would say that I actually appreciated of your effort to put them all together in one page [sic], instead. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:46, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I meant. The only articles I'm not entirely sattisfied with are the meanings behind numbers 65 and 105.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 21:46, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you can't find the meanings behind those two monsters, maybe you would ask some users who know/have the source or research through them some more. Until you get them nailing down in the article. And the "satisfy" is actually spelling with 1 T's, not two. See here for more define. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:49, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Right, right, my bad. I'm trying my best to match up to the professional English. The only thing that's missing is someone to check up on my work to see if there's any typos and errors there... except "my work" is quite long.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 21:56, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am also not quite professional with the English - "Grammar". And I should not speaking right now as due to my illness. See you on Sunday, I am sure Dinoguy can help you with those issues. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:27, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Illness?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 22:39, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Common Cold - I am now under affection of that, as since of last Sunday evening when I returned home. TwoTailedFox noted my behaves as of recently and wished me to fixture it by either get ban or leaving the site (latter was by my choice) until I recover. So I chose the latter and have to recover the hard way. That's the reason why I had to cease the talk now. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:53, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Then why on earth are you talking to me now? Hurry up and recover! And don't reply on this message until you did, understood. I dont want to be the cause of your state becoming worse. Don't make me worry, I'm already scarified enough as it is. You just recover.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 22:56, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cat haz returns! And he haz recover! -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:41, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Names
We should wait. When episodes launch, we ought to give the name of the card first, then wait for TCG name to be revealed, in my opinion. E n e r g y X ∞ 21:24, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

I agreed with Energy X, patience is a virtue would be a good advice for you to remember, my friend. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:26, May 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * And I have waited for quite some time. Waiting is one of the few things I'm good at. I usually wait for the episodes to be subbed in order to see the cards in action. There's plenty of synonyms and homonyms that might affect the result of the name.
 * In the meantime, any thoughts on how to name Dragoascention?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 21:45, May 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Dragon titles for Zmaj, while Ascension could be uzašašće or penjanje. Since the words are merged, maybe "Vrhovni Nebeski Zmaj Uzašašća"? E n e r g y X  ∞ 21:51, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nah, too dull, my tongue gets bitten just thinking on how to pronounce that. We need something shorter, more compact, some kind of decent nominal. If we can't find one, well, we might as well leave it at Dragonascention. Given the fact it ends with -on, we can assume it's actually a pun for other dragon names, such as Excellion for example. Maybe the manga translators or TCG edittors might come up with something in the meantime.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 21:55, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Reply
Plameni Krijesci sounds much better than the one used before. While I do not know any other translations, I think there are some shows that have the names translated. I'll tell it to you later, but not soon enough. Until then, "Plameni Krijesci" it is. Or are. E n e r g y X ∞ 22:20, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Aw man, and here I thought I came up with something original. Okay, I'll alter those myself.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 22:31, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Names
Most of them are good, though grammar should be placed first. But, what do you mean by joining? Are you going to be a full-fledged Staff member? E n e r g y X ∞ 13:04, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * ..... Okay, I'm a little confused now, am I not already a member?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 15:48, June 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * You are just a user, to be a Staff member you'd have to work for them. The difference is that as a Staff member you can delete Wikis (naturally, only those that are "vandal hubs"). E n e r g y X  ∞ 20:00, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, this is kinda awkward... Okay, I did say I never knew the difference between movers and admins. So, back to the point: what grammar errors?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 20:35, June 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * If there are any grammar errors. Just because the name is "cooler" does not mean that we should just ignore grammar. That's what I was meaning. E n e r g y X  ∞ 22:11, June 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, but when was the last time I ignorred grammar?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 22:27, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, remind me to ask about the Barian adjective later. --Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 22:27, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * While we're on the "by the way" issue, can you tell me why none of my external links appear valid when I try adding them?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 22:29, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Croatian Dub
All I'm doing is telling User:MermaidMelodyFanForever to read your argument concerning the Croatian dub and let me know if they have any problems with it. I am neither advocating nor promoting the Croatian dub as putting forth official Croatian card names. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 16:42, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * My appologies if my words sounded harsh to you. I forgot how accent isn't transferable over the chat.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 16:46, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Gasser
It is better. I thought gasser was a word that cannot be translated, like Zombiestein. E n e r g y X ∞ 18:52, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Apparently, it's the name of the guy's hat.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 21:17, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Croatian Dub
Yes, I was talking about those names. The translators are so lazy to do the work. However, I think that Elemental HERO Burstinatrix should be changed to 'Explonatrix' for the Croatian dub name as you can hear on the dub that Jaden actually calls the monster that name.

-- Be Happy! User:MermaidMelodyFanForever (talk)  15:02, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * (O_o)... Okay, I'm against that. and when exactly did Jaden call her that?--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 19:12, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

I think, i wrote it down wrong but it might of been Episode 1 or 2. -- Be Happy! User:MermaidMelodyFanForever (talk)  19:25, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case. Besides, as long as he said "Elemental Hero" instead of "Elementalni Heroj", we can assume thta was just a lapsus linguae. And if it was only one case that he called her that among the gajillion others, it can barely act as a representative translation.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 19:33, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

I see your point, now. But, what did he call her the other times then, just Burstinatrix? -- Be Happy! User:MermaidMelodyFanForever (talk)  19:58, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Is it possible you refered to the Serbian dub? In Croatian, all that's used are English names.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 20:05, June 12, 2013 (UTC)