User talk:Ryusui

Japan Translation
Maybe you should discussion this with Wasn&#39;t instead of discussing on my talk page. He's a dope. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  10:03, June 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Done, done. Hopefully a few examples will make him realize just how little he knows. There are few better ways to make an ass out of yourself than to take what little knowledge you have on a subject and proclaim yourself an expert. (Believe me. I've been there. -_-;)


 * BTW, I saw the discussion, and while you're right that リバイス can't be made into "Leviath", the context calls pretty strongly for something of that nature. The extraneous "a" reinforces the proper pronunciation of the "i"; it's not strictly accurate, but it's a necessary evil. (Me, I'm amazed in retrospect that Konami made the same fudge I did.) Context can be your best friend and your worst enemy: I wouldn't have given "Revise Dragon" a second thought if it hadn't clicked that the name was meant to be a play off "Leviathan".--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 10:44, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Still, I don't want him to make an ass on each article that possible to have same symbol of Japan's words/letters, but I just want to be sure that this site is keeping it flow smooth. "Revise Dragon" was from Shriek OCG News site, it's listed there and we used the Shriek OCG News site for each background information. So just let "Revise Dragon" being alternate name for now, when official name revealed in TCG/OCG, we can change it and kick out unofficial one out. And again, my talk page is not the discussion article, if you wanna continue discussion with Wasn't, just go to Forum article and discussion there instead. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:23, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Recent Edits to Utopia and Chaos Utopia
Putting this down here to head off the inevitable backlash against my recent edits. If the point behind giving the Japanese names is having a literal translation to check any changes against, then the name "Aspiring Emperor/King/Whatever Hope" shouldn't be listed as factual.

希望, as any dictionary or online translator will tell you, means "hope." (The noun, not the verb.) Yes, Google Translate gives "aspiration" as an alternate meaning, but let me ask: would you call Uria "the Lord on Searing Fire," or Raviel "the Lord besieged by Phantasms," or Hamon "the Lord Struck by Thunder"? For that matter, would you translate Yu-Gi-Oh! as "the King who is a Game"? (Yes, different "ou," but similar meaning.) The exact meaning of 皇 is ambiguous, but the sentiment of the name is not. Utopia does not "aspire"; he rules aspirations. He is the Lord of Hope, and considering that "Hope" on its own is kind of a wussy name in English (just ask Final Fantasy XIII), I'd say the name change was well justified.

Also, about his Chaos Number version, which I'm well aware I haven't named: as I said in the edit history, there's nothing indicating his name should be interpreted as two words. I'm well aware that guarantees nothing except that it might be hyphenated (such as per ブルーアイズ・ホワイト・ドラゴン/"Blue-Eyes White Dragon"), but I do strongly believe it's meant to be a portmanteau of "Hope" and "Pray". Even if it is meant to be a play on "a ray of hope" (which, ironically, would imply something weaker than Hope itself), I do think the name looks better spelled as a single word.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 10:08, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Stop changing the name! We use Aspiration because if we don't, then it would be repetitive. It is Emperor, not King; check the Talk Page. ZW is the only card that is like that. We can't base the whole Wiki on that example. Also, maintain the order of the original title. It must be Aspiration Emperor - Hope, not Hope, Emperor of Aspiration or Hope, King of Hope. Mad Rest 15:57, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Self-Destruct Button
Consider his intestines reorganized. I'd usually issue a warning first, but I have no tolerance for page move vandals. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:40, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Thanks
Not at all. There are plenty of archetype pages that don't list the Japanese names in the lead, they only list them in the infobox. So your mistake isn't exactly a hard one to make. Need to get around to adding that to the rest one of these days. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:44, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

A few archetype translation questions
I've been editing "Six Samurai" and "Legendary Six Samurai" cards recently to conform with the consensus as to what an archetype is that was set down in an exhaustive forum discussion. "Six Samurai" seems to be inconsistently referred to as "Six Warmasters" or "Six Warmen" in the OCG, if the card pages even list a translated name at all. Which is the more proper translation? By extension, is it "True Six Warmen" or "True Six Warmasters" for "Legendary Six Samurai"?.

Secondly, most of the "Armor Ninja" and "Ninjitsu Art" pages list the translation as "Mechanical Armor Ninja". Per your edit to the "Armor Ninja" page, this is incorrect, yes? It's just "Armor Ninja" (possibly "Armored Ninja)"? Is there any credibility to "Mechanical Armor Ninja" at all?

Also, do you have any idea what the answer is to the question posed in Dinoguy's first comment in this conversation? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:24, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm honored you'd seek my opinion on this subject. :3


 * My research suggests that 武衆 is an invented term: it doesn't show up at all in JWPce's built-in dictionary or on alc.co.jp, Google translate gives it as "Moo Shu," and the first thing that comes up in a Google search happens to be, you guessed it, the Japanese Wiki's entry on the Six Samurai.


 * 武 connotes war and combat: 武器 is a weapon, 武士 is a warrior (and, of course, 武士道 is the way of the warrior), etc. 衆 is a bit harder to pin down: it denotes masses or crowds, and alc.co.jp's first three entries all suggest troops. So while I won't say this is the final word on the subject, I'm tempted to suggest 六武衆 should be translated as "The Six Armies," or perhaps more fancifully as "The Six Battle Clans": the Japanese name suggests they are not the sole members, but rather the leaders or perhaps representatives of six allied factions.


 * 機甲 means "mechanical armor" in the sense of "armor for machines": "Panzer Ninja" would have about the same connotation. So no, there's nothing wrong with "Armor Ninja." All my translation sources give that meaning.


 * Yes, by the way, there is a difference: 「X」と名のついた, "with 'X' in its name," which as far as I can tell is used consistently in effects that call for a family of cards sharing a particular identifier. Effects which call for a specific card use only the name. It's worth noting that the TCG is less consistent on this front: note that if taken literally, Number 12: Crimson Shadow Armor Ninja's effect would only affect monsters called "Ninja."--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 21:36, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's good to have users that know Japanese. One tends to get bogged down with a lot of requests to translate stuff, so I thought I'd go to you instead, knowing you've dealt with archetype name troubles before. I recall Deltaneos saying he trusts your translations, and that's good enough for me. Thanks for the quick response.


 * Interesting. Not sure what we'll do with this one. I may bring it up on the article's talk page with a link here. Oddly, if it wasn't for the other translations being here in the first place, I'd have just assumed they were always Samurai.


 * So in other words, whoever put "mechanical armor" was doing a translation that was a bit too literal, then. Alright.


 * Good. We were very much hoping there was a difference, otherwise "Amplifier" could be equipped to "Jinzo - Returner" and so on and we'd have to restructure some of the archetype/series pages again. So something that supports "Ancient Gear" would be clearly delineated from something that supports "Ancient Gear". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:06, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Glad I could help.


 * The Jinzo issue is sort of a translation glitch - the original name is 人造人間－サイコ・ショッカー, while Jinzo - Returner is 人造人間－サイコ・リターナー. That is, in the Japanese version, Returner's name doesn't include Jinzo's entire name - it's rather a variant thereof. (And for what it's worth, 人造人間 means "Artificial Human" or "Android," but in practice it seems used just as much for cyborgs as well: JWPce's dictionary even gives "cyborg" and "robot" as its two translations.) In brief, yes, Amplifier's Japanese card text refers to Jinzo in a way that can't be taken to mean another card with Jinzo in its name.


 * As for Ancient Gear, the card's own text is an example: its effect works if there is another Ancient Gear already on the field, not another Ancient Gear monster.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 01:27, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. That works then. Since it doesn't contain the whole name, "Jinzo" isn't an archetype then.


 * Oh no, I know that. Even if the TCG wording isn't the best, it does make it clear enough which is which. It was just another example I was giving. I was clarifying that that's what you actually meant. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:33, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well. If I'm reading the discussion correctly, yes, "Jinzo" isn't an archetype - that would connote a keyword used by a family of cards and their support. Though they do have a common keyword, as noted on the "Jinzo (series)" page: in the Japanese version, they all share the root 人造人間－サイコ. Going by Returner and Lord's nomenclature, the "classic" Jinzo would be "Jinzo - Shocker," although this has a problem that there's nothing in the US version differentiating the three from the old Jinzo #7 card, unlike in Japanese (where he lacks the サイコ designation). At any rate, they have no support (apart from the Shocker-specific Amplifier), so the argument is moot - I'm just clarifying what I meant earlier.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 01:43, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, perfect. Thanks again. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:53, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Language in Summary
However I have been warning by other Admin; it also approve to you - do not using any foul language anywhere, included your own talk page and any kind of summary. I actually watched that subbed; saw it to be Underworld so leave it alone please. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:44, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, what you saw was a sub that translated 冥界 as "underworld." Literally, it means "dark world"; in context, it means the realm of the dead. The Ancient Greeks would call it "Hades"; the Ancient Hebrews would call it "Sheol." In modern English, we would call it either "the underworld" or "the netherworld"; given that we have the notion of a "criminal underworld," the latter is more explicit as it can only mean "the realm of the dead." Justifications aside, the fact remains that both are legitimate translations of 冥界, but only one is official: "King of the Underworld" is not "the Japanese name," but rather the unofficial (although functionally equivalent) translation.


 * Also, where exactly did I use language? Neither "bowdlerize" (to censor for perceived offensive content) nor "fudge" (to dodge or cheat) are offensive, to my knowledge.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 17:58, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Translation can permission both, so they are leaving alone.
 * Though they seemed not that much offense to you; but they still affecting the socialize - other still find it offense and maybe insult. So that is a warning. So next time I see you using either of those words; I am sending an Admin straight to you, ok? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:11, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't call either of those things offensive. And he wasn't using them as insults, he was making a general statement. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:46, January 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * As a further point, I'm not wholly sure this is our regularly scheduled FredCat speaking. Look up at the top of my talk page: FredCat has posted here before, and he didn't talk like he was running his posts through Babelfish.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 00:58, January 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sometimes he has trouble conveying things properly. English is his second language, IIRC. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:13, January 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, Cheese's right, I am having my own problem with my language; alright? But those words you used are still offense to me, sorry. So please halt using them. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:16, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

VWXYZ
Would you take a look at the Japanese lore for "Hyper Coat"? That card's page history has listed it as supporting separate "V", "W", "X", "Y" and "Z" archetypes, listed it as supporting each individual VWXYZ monster and several other things. It was equipped it to "VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon" in the anime, and I can't be sure it was a support card for it or for any VWXYZ derivative. What does it actually specify as valid targets for its effect? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:41, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can't decide if I'm hoping it specifies each of "V", "W", "X", "Y", and "Z" as separate archetypes, or am dreading the thought. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:52, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * To be fair, they were linked like X . I'm hoping there's something there that's going to specify the five base monsters and the fusions in some way or just Catapult Cannon. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:57, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * The original lore specifies "a Machine-Type Monster with either 'V,' 'W,' 'X,' 'Y,' or 'Z' in its name." So yes, the English translation given is wrong. It works with any of the VWXYZ monsters or combinations.


 * On a random note, this is the first time I've noticed that the shoulders of VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon are formed by X-Head Cannon actually holding the arms formed from Z-Metal Tank in its hands. Also, "VWXYZ" is read "V-to-Z" on the original Japanese card - using the American pronunciation of "zee" rather than the British pronunciation of "zet" (as per Z-Metal Tank and XYZ-Dragon Cannon).--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 03:48, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Alright, not so bad.
 * Dinoguy, we don't need to worry anyway. If I'm understanding correctly, the Japanese names of those cards have the actual English letters in them, so it's not asking for a monster with "X" in any part of its name. So I think that the VWXYZ series as a whole are the only valid targets. I don't see any worth and making separate archetypes pages for each, since they'll just have one monster each. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:17, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, they do actually have the letters in their names even in the original Japanese. And for what its worth, other monsters that have those same letters (such as the X-Sabers) don't apply, as the card specifically says "Machine-Type."--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 05:30, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Unless I've been operating under false assumptions, we haven't been screening archetype members according to any specific requirements featured on support cards (otherwise, most archetypes would just feature Monster Cards, since most archetype support cards specify '"X" monster(s)'). So the question instead comes down to, can the effect of "Hyper Coat" be applied to any Machine-Type monster with at least one of the letters "V", "W", "X", "Y", or "Z" in its Japanese name, or is it specific to the "VWXYZ" monsters, even beyond specifying Machine-Type targets? Based on what you've said, Ryusui, the answer seems to be "it can apply to any such Machine-Type monster", which is an argument for a new group of archetypes, which, because of my opening comment, would include all cards with one of these Latin letters in their Japanese name, regardless of whether they're a Machine-Type monster, much less a "VWXYZ" monster. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:18, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * It could in theory, though it seems pointless to split hairs and declare the individual letters to be archetypes in and of themselves, since this is the only card - an anime-only one, at that - which would "support" them. If anything, since this is the only VWXYZ support card and it applies to every monster in the VWXYZ set, I'd simply lump any hypothetical alternate valid targets under the VWXYZ archetype/series.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 06:40, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * This wouldn't be the first archetype to be defined based on a single, anime- or manga-only support card, though I do agree that, at least in this case, creating separate archetypes for everything would probably be more trouble than it's worth (though history has shown that I'm liable to change my mind on this type of stuff, and I definitely wouldn't stand in the way of someone else creating the pages and marking cards =D ). 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:13, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * As much I usually advocate consistency, this is taking it too far. I agree with just lumping them together. Going to have to reword the lore of "Hyper Coat" in some way. Doing so and specifying that they are technically archetypes should suffice, I think. Thanks, again, Ryusei. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 07:43, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Always glad to help.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 07:46, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Can you translate this?
See here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:39, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Cemetary Blade Equip Spell Card The equipped monster gains 800 ATK. You can banish this card from your Graveyard; add 1 card from your Graveyard to your hand.

You're welcome.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 02:09, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. For whatever reason, the source I usually use skipped that card entirely. All the rest of the cards from the same chapter were there, so that was odd. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:10, March 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Always glad to help.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 03:29, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Attack Cannon

 * Please take a look at this Japanese lore. Does it really specify an "Attack" archetype?
 * ...and take a look at the lore of "Aura Armor" and tell me if its a Trap Monster or if it Summons a "Player Token". I have the feeling the token article is just total BS, but can't be sure.
 * I'm going through every anime/manga only card and trying to standardize everything. I'm about to finish "A". So don't be surprised if I keep contacting you about this kind of thing. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:11, April 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Always glad to help. ;)


 * It does say "a monster with 'A (Attack)' in its name," without specifying "Wisel," "Skiel," or "Granel." However, like with the VWXYZ series, I'd simply lump this "archetype" in with Wisel, Skiel, and Granel, since the only monsters with "A (Attack)" in their names happen to be their respective Attack parts.


 * On a random note, Attack Cannon and the various Attack parts use "A" with アタック as furigana, while the actual card lore for Attack Cannon ("printed" on the card itself) says "A (アタック)."


 * As for Aura Armor, it does summon a "Player Token." It's not a Trap Monster. However, the wording is slightly different from what's given. Forgive me if it's not exactly PSCT, but it's more like this:


 * Activate only when your opponent declares a direct attack while your Life Points are 2000 or less; negate the attack and Special Summon 1 "Player Token" (Warrior-Type/EARTH/Level 4/ATK ?/DEF ?) to your side of the field. When "Player Token" is Special Summoned: reduce your Life Points by half. The ATK and DEF of "Player Token" are equal to your Life Points.


 * So yeah, there's nothing about paying half your LP every Battle Phase, or losing the duel when it's destroyed.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 05:24, April 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. I'm just going to go ahead and create the archetype page for it. I'd rather document the way the card says it should be. The VWXYZ thing was an exception for the sake of brevity. This isn't quite on the same level.


 * A further look at the edit history reveals that a random IP changed the wording from "Player Token" to Trap Monster a while back. No one caught it. That said, I really did think Trap Monster was more likely. And old anime cards shouldn't use PSCT anyway, so don't worry about that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:20, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Magical Erudite Junon Translation Help

 * Hi there. I was referred to you by Deltaneos because he said that you were good at translating card lores. I have an issue with "Magical Erudite Junon" and was wondering if you could help. I'm trying to figure out whether or not this card is an Inherent Summon (like "Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World" or "Master Hyperion"), or if it's a Trigger Summon and starts a chain (like "Dark Simorgh"). The Wiki lists it as an Inherent Summon, but other sources list otherwise. I've already researched into this myself:
 * 手札の「魔導書」と名のついた魔法カード３枚を相手に見せて発動できる. このカードを手札から特殊召喚する.
 * This is "Junon"'s summoning requirement, but as you can see, the "revealing" part of the effect and the actual Special Summon are separated by a period. This seems to evidence that "Junon" starts a chain.
 * このカードは「暗黒界の龍神　グラファ」以外の自分フィールド上に表側表示で存在する「暗黒界」と名のついたモンスター１体を手札に戻し、墓地から特殊召喚する事ができる.
 * This is "Grapha"'s summoning text, and the returning of the "Dark World" monster and his Special Summon is connected by a comma, indicating that this is an Inherent Summon.
 * On top of these two differences, "Grapha" uses the term "できる" and "Junon" uses the term "する" to reference their summoning. Most Inherent Summon monsters seem to use "できる" while "Dark Simorgh", the only other example of a Trigger Summon monster I can think of ATM also uses "する", like "Junon." I take these two terms to be the OCG equivalent of "by" and "to", respectively.
 * So, basically, my question is - can you confirm or deny whether or not "Junon" is Inherent or not, or at least whether my theory on dekiru and suru are in/correct? I know this is a lot of information, so I apologize, but thanks in advance.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:06, April 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * できる is "can (do)" and する is just "(do)". That is, 特殊召喚できる is "You can Special Summon (this card)..." (i.e. the Special Summon can optionally be performed this way) while 特殊召喚する is just "Special Summon this card" (i.e. the Special Summon is mandatory as the result of an effect).


 * The key piece of language that differentiates Grapha and Simorgh is actually how the summoning condition itself is described. Grapha says このカードは[...]自分フィールド上に表側表示で存在する[...]モンスター１体を手札に戻し、墓地から特殊召喚する事ができる. It's not just saying "you can Special Summon this card by (etc.)," but something more akin to "you can return 1 monster and Special Summon this card." That is, the entire lengthy summon condition is a single thing you can do (事ができる). Simorgh, on the other hand, says 自分の墓地の闇属性モンスター１体と風属性モンスター１体をゲームから除外する事で、このカードを手札から特殊召喚する.  That is, "Do (etc.) to Special Summon this card" - one part of the effect is the condition, the other is the Special Summon, unlike Grapha, where the condition is phrased as part of the Special Summon (if that makes any sense).


 * On-topic, Junon's Special Summon effect translates literally as "You can activate this effect by revealing 3 "Book of Spell" Spell Cards in your hand. Special Summon this card from your hand." So the act of revealing 3 Books of Spell activates the Special Summon effect. I'm no rulings guru, but my interpretation agrees with your verdict: it's not an Inherent Summon.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 00:37, April 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much, you've been a great help.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 00:39, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

"Kamakiri" vs. "Mantis"
Hey Ryusui, could we get your input over at Talk:Kamakiri? Specifically, we need a better idea of what's going on in the Japanese lore of "Mantis Egg"; there's also a bit of background discussion at User talk:Deltaneos/Archive 48. Thanks in advance! 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:01, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Masked Doll
Please take a look at the Japanese lore for "Masked Doll". It was originally created with the lore that one doesn't have to pay for "Mask of Brutality", then changed that no Maintenance Costs need to be payed at all. No idea which is true, even based on the what happens in the anime. Google translate spits out gibberish in this case. It usually gives me a least a vague idea of what was said. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:58, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's another "silly manga effect." (We have got to invent a proper term for those - the funky effects that don't make any sense as gameplay mechanics.) It's something like "A doll that takes ally-affecting mask curses upon itself" - that is, it acts as a lightning rod for mask effects, or something of that nature.


 * It looks like it appeared in GX as well; it'd be helpful if someone could find its other appearance and see if the effect text is any different.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 19:12, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting. Yeah, I'll have to figure out what to do with that later, have to go in a minute. I'll leave it be for now.
 * Its appearance in GX was in a flashback to DM, so it's not likely the text was reworded at all. Still wouldn't hurt to check though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:15, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Heavenly Demon Chant
Hey Ryusui, could Cheesedude and I get a transcription and translation of the Japanese lore on Heavenly Demon Chant? We stumbled across this card a while back as a potential "Angel" support card, and need to know what's going on in the Japanese lore to see if it's true. Thanks! 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:37, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * It says "Fuse Angels in your Graveyard and Hand." Really, that's all it says. Technically, it doesn't even specify whether it means "monsters with 'Angel' in their names" or "Angel (Fairy)-type monsters"; we can assume it means the former from context (since the "Angels" in question aren't Fairy-types), but there's nothing in the text itself to rule out either interpretation.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 20:14, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. Can you transcribe the Japanese lore, too, while you're at it? 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:50, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. Glad I could help.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 23:23, April 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks a million! =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:26, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

List
Would you take a look at the anime cards listed here and give us some correct lores for them. Some of them can in no way be correct, simply based on the amount of Japanese text on the card. While you're there, feel free to comment on the discussion, since it's died and any more opinions on either side of the argument would be great. Thanks Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:39, April 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cursebreaker: "Negate all Spell effects received from (i.e. inflicted by) your opponent."


 * Defense Paralysis: "Activate when an opponent's monster declares defense (i.e. is switched to Defense Position). All monsters on your opponent's side of the field are changed to Attack Position."


 * Insecticide: "Destroy target Insect-type monster."


 * Cross Sacrifice: "Both players can simultaneously tribute each other's Monsters."


 * Scratch Wheel: "An opponent's monster is bound to the Scratch Wheel. Each turn, inflict 500 damage to your opponent." (The other version of the effect is accurate, apart from switching the wording for clarity: "As long as this card remains face-up on the field, the selected opponent's monster cannot attack or change its battle position.")


 * Heavy Storm Blade: The text is too blurry and half-covered by the guy's thumb. Though on the upside, it's fun to see them using the TCG translation for 大嵐 in a card name. XD


 * Monster Replace: "Through this card's effect, your minion with the highest ATK blocks the frontline. Your opponent cannot attack any monster other than your frontline minion. Can also be played as a Trap."　This site provides an alternate, somewhat clearer effect: "Activate when your opponent declares an attack. Your opponent must target the face-up Attack Position monster on your side of the field with the highest ATK."


 * Zeus Breath: "When an opponent's monster declares an attack: negate the attacking monster's attack. If you control a face-up WATER-Attribute monster, inflict 800 damage to your opponent."


 * Glad I could help.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 17:43, April 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. All of those are fairly consistent with what happens in the anime, except for "Defense Paralysis", since it also apparently prevented the opponent from every Summoning a monster in Defense Position again for the rest of the Duel. Also, "frontline minion". Yeah, that's awesome.


 * Doh, I had forgotten that I had "Heavy Storm Blade" and "Zeus Breath" on there. Those I know we had correct lores for. But yeah, they do seem to pay attention to what the TCG does. I mean, "Monster Reincarnation" was based on the English art of "Monster Reborn". I recall they also decided that the TCG changing the crosses on "Injection Fairy Lily" to hearts was cute, so they changed it in Japan too. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:26, April 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, Zeus Breath isn't quite exact - unlike its IRL counterpart, it only hits once for 800 damage, not 800 for each monster meeting the criteria. And yes, Monster Replace's wording is weird as hell. I've never seen 最前 (literally "frontmost") or しもべ ("servant") in card text before.


 * As for Japan following the TCG, the big one would, of course, be the Series 3 "World Standard" design, which has been the basis of all subsequent format redesigns. ;) I just wish they'd figure out some way to fit flavor text and effect text onto cards...--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 01:36, April 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I meant the lores we had for those cards, not compared to their counterparts.
 * I actually have no idea what that is. But flavor text on Effect Monsters would be great, yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:40, April 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * What is it you don't know what Ryusui is on about, Cheesedude? If it's the 'Series 3 "World Standard" design', I believe he's talking about Card layout (and on that note, if you see anything to add or change on Card layout, Ryusui, please be my guest =) ). (And lastly, let me third the "flavor text on non-Normal Monster cards would be super-rare-awesome-chocolatey-fudge-coated-mega-super-sweet" sentiment. =D ) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:55, April 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Already added a few contributions, which have since been improved and expanded on by others. ;) You're welcome.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 06:59, April 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Right, I had a sneaking suspicion you had, shortly after I posted here, and the first thing I did was go and confirm it. =) If you see anything else, though, please go ahead and edit it however... I'd really appreciate anything you could do to improve it more (including if you feel like adding details on the card layout used in other games). ;) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:49, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Don't know if you've seen this
Check out Forum:Offer of affiliation from our sources. Any opinions on the matter would be appreciated, especially one from someone who does translations for us like yourself. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:11, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Mover

 * I've granted you mover rights (which really should have been done before now). You are now unaffected by the move throttle. You can also suppress redirects when you move things (which usually should not be done unless its an image you're moving). If you have any questions, let me know.
 * Also, if you correct translations for cards that have no official English names, just move the article instead of adding the "trans" parameter as you did at "Wan-chan!?". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:56, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and done. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to actually rename the page. >_>--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 03:09, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure. Oh, and sub-page redirects can be suppressed too. Forgot about that. Falzar deleted them though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:14, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Episode/chapter titles
Putting this here because I screwed up my edit summary in regards to Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Rank 018. For Japanese episode/chapter titles, we use the Japanese names. We don't use "Jaden" in Japanese episode names for GX. I'm aware that "Kite" is just as valid a translation as "Kaito", but it's worth noting that his name has been consistently romanized as "Kaito" in every on-screen Duel he has had. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:37, May 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * NP. To be honest, I follow the summaries rather than the series proper, so I guess I should keep my opinions in that regard to myself. XD--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 03:40, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a fun one for you...
I've known about this a while. Very odd one. Please read Yokai Monster. Then take a look at the text on everything the navbox is listing as support. Are there more cards that categorize Yokai is any of the three options that the article lists? Is there something we've missed than would clear up the inconsistencies that the manga seems to have? Reply at Talk:Yokai Monster, if you would. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:34, June 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * The discussion at Talk:Yokai Monster has continued and there's some more issues. Could you take a look when you have time? Thanks, Ryusui. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:39, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Chaos Maker's translations

 * Hi there, Ryusui. I noticed you reverted one of Chaos Maker's translations earlier (on the Spellbinding Circle page). I've made a thread about his strange translations here, and was hoping you could give your two cents about them, since you're one of the few fluent people on here. Thanks.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:49, June 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Rather than derail the forum discussion, I wanted to ask about your "Devil" translation comment here. My understanding is this: "Archfiends" have a romaji reading of Dēmon. There are also cards with a reading of Debiru, which are not "Archfiends". Then there's cards with a romaji of neither and could therefore be accurately translated as both "Demon" and "Devil". Do I have that right? And you are suggesting we just standardize the use of "Devil" for those last cases to avoid any and all confusion with "Archfiend"?


 * Also, since III has yet to response (very odd in and of itself), could you take a look at this conversation. We may have another Chaos Maker-esque character running around (that said, he IS accurate sometimes).


 * And this is why I'm eager for the Organization affiliation to really come through. There are far too many cards for a few people to "sanity-check". There was also something else I wished to ask, but now I can't remember what it is. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:41, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Mrh. I hadn't thought of デビル. Though I suppose translating 悪魔 as "Fiend" as per the TCG might help us if we want to be sure we differentiate terms that are different in the original Japanese.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 01:44, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, that's not what I meant at all and it sounds like a bad idea. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:53, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Heh. Well, anyways, you're right on all counts - there's デーモン, デビル, and 悪魔, though only the first on that list has any gameplay significance. I really do think that it would be wise to translate "akuma" as something other than "demon" as a matter of consistency, but considering デビル (which I honestly hadn't been thinking about), I'm not sure "devil" would be optimal. An alternate solution would be to render デーモン as "daemon" and 悪魔 as simply "demon," though that's probably even worse.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 02:08, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm fine as long as we don't go with that last option (that was another issue with Chaos Maker). For what its worth, the monitor on Yusei's D-Wheel often said "Red Demon's Dragon" when he Dueled Jack, which does make "Demon" officialish. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:00, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * It was "officialish" before that - namely, "Revival of Black Demon's Dragon". Stupid me. Why am I forgetting these things? >_<#--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 04:08, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've asked him to explain his reasoning at the same conversation and he has. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:44, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Magicians
The current animelore we have for "Thousand Knives" states it needs a "Magician" monster to activate. This seems likely, as I've long wondered why someone felt the "Magician" page was needed to begin with. Does this image support that? Even if it does not, its marked as "2", which means its a card that appeared both before and after the card layout change in DM. An image from the card's first appearance might have a different lore that does support the "Magician" theory. I'm going to try to locate one of those either way. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:06, June 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * The pic you have there says Dark Magician specifically. In fact, the effect I see there is completely identical to IRL - no "declare a card name" nonsense. It might have been different if it had a prior appearance, but that's what that particular card says.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 05:28, June 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting. I checked the first episode it appears in and the card lore isn't shown. Its cut off. The only other explanation for the effect (besides blatant BS) that I could think of is Pandora's dialogue when he activates it. And that isn't it either, since he doesn't even explain the card effect, he just launches the knives at "Magical Hats" and says something along the lines of "found you!". So yeah, it appears its just complete BS. I'm removing it. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:45, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Next Episode ZEXAL 62 Trap Card
There is a Trap Card called, バクー·チェンジ·バリア. In google translate, it called Change the Baku-barrier. What is the real transition? I have the image ready, but not the page. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 21:35, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I could use that picture. It's "Something Change Barrier," but that first part doesn't make sense without more context.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 21:45, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, for the late reply, . Hope to create the page by today or Sunday. If not, then Monday. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 19:03, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's パワー・チェンジ・バリア, "Power Change Barrier." Don't worry, you're not the first to mistake ク and ワ for each other. (No, I'm not talking about me - I'm talking about all those Pokémon sites back in Ye Olde Days which were calling Miltank "Mirutanwa" before the official English names came out.)--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 19:14, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I was looking for ワ, but I couldn't find it, so I choose ク as a substitute. I guess it was my mistake. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 19:51, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Dark Blade, Kozaky and other flavor text
I'm curious as what the translated Japanese flavor text actually says for certain cards. "Kozaky" implies a relationship with the "Dark World" monsters despite his being released many sets before them (though his appearance in GX does play with the concept). "Dark Blade" does the same, but his translated name reads "Soldier of the Dark Demon World" or something cumbersome, so I wonder if the "Dark World" thing wasn't added for the TCG. While you're there, some checks on what all the members of Dark Blade (series) translate too would be nice. As I said, the names are very cumbersome. Thanks in advance, Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:03, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Three different things here, unsurprisingly. Kozaky's flavor text refers to 魔界, lit. "Demon World." The various Dark Blades refer to 闇魔界, lit. "Dark Demon World" (and he probably answers to the King of Yamimakai). Dark World is 暗黒界, which actually does translate straight-up as "Dark World" (or for you White Wolf fans out there, "The World of Darkness").--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 00:32, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought that might be the case. Alright, I'll have to think a bit on how to add this stuff to the card trivia pages wording-wise and remove the archrelation categories. Incidentally, this isn't the only time that similiar terms have had issues. And it's very funny that you should bring up the World of Darkness (not a White Wolf fan, but see this conversation). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:52, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Wow
What the hell does the lore of the "Motor Shell" say? Google translate spits out complete gibberish, which seems to indicate that a "Motor Parts Token" may not actually be a thing that even exists. Also check out "Tellus the Little Angel", since that was used in the same manga. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:40, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * The translations given describe what they actually do, but the original effect text is phrased in "silly manga style." Motor Shell says "Drops parts on the field when destroyed," and Tellus says "Leaves a wing behind when it goes to the Graveyard."--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 00:26, July 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I can see how that can be changed to "summons a token". Once again, I'm not sure what I'm going to do with this one. Ugh. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:30, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Horus' Servant
Can you check Dinoguy's comment at here and respond there (the topic is months old, but don't worry about that). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:59, August 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's aging like a wine, no worry, Cheesy, I am sure it tasted good. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:01, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Japanese Name Issue
Hi there, Ryusui. I was wondering if you could help me out with this issue I'm having with Master D. We're arguing over "Urubonus, the Avatar of Malice". He is claiming that the order of the translated name makes a significant difference, translation wise, to warrant listing on the card page. The English name is "Urubonus, the Avatar of Malice", the name he wants to list under the "Translated" column on the page is "Avatar of Malice, Urubonus." Generally, on the Wiki, we don't list the translated name if it is basically the same as the English name, which is my stance, as I believe they are pretty much the same. My question to you is - does the order make enough of a difference to warrant being treated as another name, and therefore be listed?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 18:32, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not much I can add that hasn't already been said, but I think my summary helps a little.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 04:21, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for commenting anyway, it did help.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 04:34, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Half Unbreak
Can you check the anime lore of "Half Unbreak"? Does it specify that you must target your own monster or could it theoretically be used on your opponent's? It seems Yuma used it on an opponent's monster recently. I'll try to get a screencap later today of the card being used that specific episode to make sure the actual lore didn't change too. Thanks, Cheesedude (talk • contribs)


 * It says "target 1 monster on your side of the field." Also, I just checked the ep:


 * 1. The lore isn't actually visible on the card when it's used.
 * 2. Yuma actually does say "I use it on Heart-eartH Dragon!"


 * ...Well. Impossible move or no, the effect is the same: it halves battle damage to both players, so in context, it doesn't matter whether he targeted Number 39: Utopia or Heart-eartH Dragon. I'd chalk it up to a scriptwriting flub.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 18:06, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I realize it doesn't matter, but it's important to me that we document this sort of thing as an error as opposed to saying "lol, lore change!" Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:50, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed with Cheesy, Anime always kick in the balls when coming to the requirement of restrict. Writer really seriously need to learn some hard lessons to keep stuffs straight. I had this kind of mistake, like "Stop Defense" on owner's monster (which is also illegal) -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:56, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

King of Wishes
Can we get your opinion on this subject, please? Master D is making a fuss again, and frankly, he's too much of a headache to deal with.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 14:52, September 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Opinion provided. ("Hope, Lord of Hope," BTW. >8D)--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 18:09, September 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help. By the way, on a semi-related note, how did you get to be so knowledgeable about the Japanese language?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 22:55, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Can you please give an explanation as to why Hope's name can be translated as King? Master D is at it again and he just won't let up like the stubborn person he is. If you're tired of dealing with him, then I understand why you won't do it, because I'm tired as well, he just keeps ignoring and twisting what everyone is telling him. Neos01 (talk • contribs) 12:34, September 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * We're all tired. He's such a control freak. Everything has to be his way and adhere to his set rules for Japanese and Yu-Gi-Oh!, or it's wrong, and is coming from a person who mostly uses online translators too. It's ridiculous.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 12:46, September 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Whats even worse is that those online translators are horrible for asian languages from my experience; heck, they're bad at translating even european languages sometimes. I don't know how he expects us to listen to him over konami, who has actual translators who can understand japanese. Neos01 (talk • contribs) 12:58, September 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thick-headed one, this Master D character. I'm glad I'm not trying to get through to him in the bad old days of Edo's or I would've put a fist through my monitor by now. It's a nice flat-panel one, too.


 * The short answer is that it translates as 'king' because Konami freaking says so, just like with "Neo Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon" being written as "Super Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon" in kanji, or hell, the ZWs as a whole.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 17:36, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Strongarm Express
See this edit history. Is there any credence to the current article name? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:56, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Depends on how pedantic you want to be. According to both my dictionaries and Wikipedia, 特急 denotes a "limited express" (lit. "special express") - basically a faster category of train than regular express. As much as Master D's pedantry annoys me, his rendering of the name is still technically correct, but it loses something on the aesthetic front.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 02:12, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's what I feared. Yeah, it's a very awkward name. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:14, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Let me rephrase. Yes, it's technically right, but so was my version ("Strongarm Express Trolleyrolley") - there was never any reason to change it, except Master D being Master D.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 02:17, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, that's exactly what I got out of your first response, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

Potential image policy change
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Multiply anime effect
Can you tell me what is "Multiply's" anime card effect. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 23:57, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Giving the Japanese text here too, since it's hard to make out 分裂:


 * 攻撃力５００以下のしもべを無数に分裂させる.
 * Infinitely divides a minion with 500 or less ATK.


 * And there we have that word しもべ (lit. "servant") again. Huh.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 08:14, October 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * That mean instead of creating Tokens, it just divides any monster with 500 or less ATK. That is interesting. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 01:41, October 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's your typical "silly manga/anime effect." That said, it looks like it showed up in GX as well, and while the card image is too blurry to make out the text, the fact that it runs to three lines suggests that GX uses the IRL effect description.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 03:14, October 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Come to think of it, we've got this needlessly baroque thing purporting itself to be the "anime effect" on the page at present - would there be any serious objection to me pruning it down to just what the card says (and providing a transcript of the Japanese text as well)?--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 08:53, October 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, GX used the IRL effect.


 * It's a relic of when consensus was "make anime effects as close to real-world effects as possible, period". By all means, change it (though given that GX uses the real effect, start the anime lore with Yu-Gi-Oh! only"). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:54, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Archfiend of Gilfer
What would you translate this as? I've seen multiple translations, several of which seem to try to connect it to "Dark Magician" somehow. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:54, October 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh god. 魔族 is always such a pain in the ass. It means something akin to "demon race" or "demon clan" or something like that - i.e., all the possible literal translations are awkward as hell (especially when it's used to describe a single creature). I've seen cases where the translators just threw up their hands, said "screw it," and left it as Mazoku - which, in a Japanese cultural context (e.g. Yu Yu Hakusho), is probably the best option. Frankly, "demon" is how I'd personally render it, void of any other context, although that yields the abomination "Dark Demon Gilfer Demon" in this case.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 17:19, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Copy Token
Hi, I would like to know if Nightmare Tri-Mirror anime card effect say Copy Token. At first, Copy Token appear on the card lore without a clear Card Image. This time with a clear image, does it really said Copy Token because I create the Copy Token page without asking a translator. This been bothering me for a while. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 01:13, October 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. The text isn't clear enough for me to make out the kanji, but I do see コピートークン in there.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 01:16, October 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok then, so Copy Token is indeed in the card text, but it still not clear. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 01:32, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Dotedotengu
Does "Dotedotengu" say "your side of the field" or "your opponent's side of the field". All the translations I've seen say the former, the anime itself used the latter, so it seems to have contradicted itself. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:29, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * It says 自分フィールド上 - "your side of the field." The show done screwed up.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 19:30, November 1, 2012 (UTC)