Talk:List of Yu-Gi-Oh! BAM cards/Archive 1

About Shockwave Monsters
Are you sure that the numbers were accurate? I'm pretty sure that the actual numbers (the ones in Chapter 23.1) are much higher (The Furious Sea King having Shockwave 2000, Arma Knight, Turtle Tiger, etc. having Shockwave 1000). But if it's true, then I'm glad.Dark Pride Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 06:59, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

That's odd, I'll copy/paste a section of what was extracted from the game's code: Twin Long Rods #1 TIMIDITY 300 Loses Power if your Opponent has two or more Monsters in play. COURAGE 900 Gains Power if it is the only Monster on your side. The Furious Sea King ORDERED ASSAULT 1000 The first time your Monster gains Power, your Opponent loses Life Points. Ooguchi Waterdragon Fairy ORDERED ASSAULT 700 The first time your Monster gains Power, your Opponent loses Life Points. SPIRIT PROTECTION When your Monster is destroyed, all your other Monster are Immune. Wetha ORDERED ASSAULT 400 The first time your Monster gains Power, your Opponent loses Life Points. MIRROR 600 Every Round, the first time you lose Life Points, your Opponent loses Life Points. I'm not sure how it ended up being 2000. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:44, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * When did you get the logs? I remembered that there was a maintainance shortly after Chapter 23.1 was opened. Maybe they changed the values. Can you redo getting the game code to make sure that it's the recent ones? Okay. I'll post a screenshot here later. Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 07:59, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe when it swapped from Ordered Assault to Shockwave, it also doubled it accidentally? I'll double them for now.
 * The file is inside the game, it's not a log. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:02, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's the link. http://sadpanda.us/images/1269963-KXHNXX1.png. Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 08:08, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Along with those, and File:WaterdragonFairy-BAM-EN-VG.png, File:Wetha-BAM-EN-VG.png and File:Monsturtle-BAM-EN-VG.png. It's confirmed that they are doubled from what's written in the game file. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:17, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * But did the game file change? If it changed, then most likely it is intentional and might be fixed for the next update. If not, then there's a chance that it's only a bug (I do hope that it's just a bug and not intentional). Oh, and I forgot, Ooguchi has Shockwave 100, as far as I remember.Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 08:27, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * It hasn't changed, it's still as what I pasted above.
 * Considering how Shockwave is easier to trigger than Acid Jet (Boost All at round start).
 * The initial value seem to be fair and the doubled values seem to be overpowered. So I think it's a bug.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:40, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * As for Ooguchi, I'm not sure, it could be one of the rare odd ones which have its effect stored in a place elsewhere, similar to Millennium Golem, which does not have its effect listed under it in the game.
 * However, unlike Millennium Golem, where I can find IMMUNE ALL ROCKS followed by SHOCK 1000.
 * I cannot find ORDERED ASSAULT 50, SHOCKWAVE 50, ORDERED ASSAULT 100 nor SHOCKWAVE 100. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:12, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe the number has been doubled intentionally to make the level uber hard. When they are released the effects will be toned down. 1.55.122.111 (talk) 03:34, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * But cards like Wetha, Waterdragon Fairy and Monsturtle are part of the prizes and Catapult Turtle can be crafted.Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 11:18, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * It could be deliberate, I ran a search for all appearances "SHOCKWAVE" and found:

SHOCKWAVE 600 SHOCKWAVE 600 SHOCKWAVE 1000 SHOCKWAVE 1200 SHOCKWAVE 2000 SHOCKWAVE 1400 SHOCKWAVE 1000
 * away in another section. These match the order of "ORDERED ASSAULT"

ORDERED ASSAULT 300 ORDERED ASSAULT 300 ORDERED ASSAULT 500 ORDERED ASSAULT 600 ORDERED ASSAULT 1000 ORDERED ASSAULT 700 ORDERED ASSAULT 400
 * and are all doubled, except for the last one, which is Wetha.


 * I'm not sure if it will be changed back, because the only other case that I know of which has code elsewhere is, as mentioned earlier, is Millennium Golem, which is:

Stone Dragon ANNIHILATE SPELLS Destroy your Opponent's Spells. SACRIFICE ALL SPELLS Destroy all your Spells. Millennium Golem SPECIAL All non Rock Monsters are destroyed. Destroyer Golem DRAIN 400 Gains Power when Opponent loses Life Points. COURAGE 800 Gains Power if it is the only Monster on your side.
 * with

IMMUNE ALL ROCKS Your Rock Monsters cannot lose Power or be destroyed. SHOCK 1000 Opponent loses Life Points when your Monster
 * written elsewhere. It is possible that when they decide to change an effect, they add it elsewhere and change the pointer, but then I'm not sure why they don't just change the code instead of redirecting it.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:21, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought I wrote this, but I didn't. So, since it seems to be coded in and not a conversion error, it should be deliberate, not a bug. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:20, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Number of featured cards
The list actually has 541 cards (excluding Gradius), not 528. If we're just adding each time, there's probably a time where we forgot to add a count. Unless I'm supposed to exclude other cards for some reason. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:24, December 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * When I created the list, it was a straight copy-paste from the main BAM article, and the count was taken straight from there too; I didn't count the cards myself. If you feel there are corrections to be made, don't let me stop you. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:48, December 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * 520 in shop (58 x 9 - 2), +1 (Millennium Shield), +20 (removed from the shop by Cardmageddon 1) = 541.
 * That matches too. However, what happened to the Halloween only cards which I didn't not add to the count, but they are on the list. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 20:21, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do note that the some cards removed from the shop by Cardmageddon which can be crafted still appear at the shop. Which means that some of the 20 removed cards were already counted in the initial 520. Also, maybe I miscounted somewhere. I am keeping track of the added cards starting from the Spellcasters update. I probably miscalculated since I thought that the initial cards were 309, not 336, until I checked the history for the original page. Sorry for that. Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 21:34, December 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Comparing this list with my User:Falzar FZ/Sandbox11, there are 541 cards listed in common (excluding Gradius) (with 272 unique in the sandbox (excluding Gradius)).
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:08, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

December 12 update

 * A bunch of new card data appeared, now we know what those are for.
 * I know that at least one is confirmed, which is Consecrated Light.
 * It's late for me, so I'll post the list here, someone else can add it to the list if they want to, I'll extract the costs and stats tomorrow.
 * Also, it is better to not make a huge fuss about it (including posting this) at https://www.yugioh-bam.com/forums/forum.php doing that will probably increase the chance of the devs either not releasing data early or deliberately add fake info to mess with us.


 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:41, December 13, 2012 (UTC) edited at 23:27, December 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you sure that Koitsu is a BAM Legend. It costs 400,000 coins. AFAIK, the highest rarity a Coins card can attain is Rare.Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 00:33, December 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * I checked it already before posting it, I think it's odd as well. However, remember that there is an event going on, what if that card is one of the event cards? 1 day only, super expensive, sounds like BAM Legend to me. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:09, December 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. I didn't noticed the comment you placed in the Revision History. Maybe it is subjected to changes (They might change it to DP later)? I wonder why they kinda "skipped" the Ultra Rare (the ones that are 440,000 in cost are still Rare).Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 01:11, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * To add to that, Vampire Lord was sold for 1,000+ CP and was still treated as Ultra Rare, and he is also in a similar promo, the BAM-o-Ween. Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 01:13, December 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * There are more than 13 cards there. Those rares probably aren't event only.
 * There's also how the Booster Packs were released and people bought lots of those so they're low on currency.
 * And yea, they can always change the values before releasing them.
 * There's also approximately 13 cards which can be thought of as "Christmas Themed". -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:17, December 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * If the first 4 are Consecrated Light, Snowman Eater, Driving Snow and Hoshiningen, in that order.
 * The rest is probably Gift Card, Crystal Tree, Star Light, Star Bright, The Nordic Lights, Doom Donuts, Shining Angel, Sacred Spirit of the Ice Barrier, Ceremonial Bell, Toy Magician, in that order.
 * However, 60 DP doesn't sound like a very reasonable price, the effect seems overpowered though.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 20:04, December 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Finally, the rest are confirmed in Chapter 5.1. Maybe leave the list in the unreleased section until they are available in the shop, since some of the values aren't confirmed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 19:33, January 9, 2013 (UTC) edited on -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 19:37, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * The price for Koitsu still hasn't changed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:18, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Koitsu is 470060 Coins and BAM Legend according to https://www.yugioh-bam.com/blog/introducing-the-boss-cards/
 * I was right! :)
 * It says it's sold only for a limited time only over the next 9 days. But that doesn't explain Koitsu. Maybe all of them are 9 days, except Koitsu for 1 day?
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:29, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Updating Card Costs
I think we need to do something about the card cost for those cards that were removed by Cardmaggedon since it might mislead the players into thinking that those cards are still accessible from the shop. But just removing the previous cost before being removed is not a good idea since that info is useful. I do have a proposal.

How about modifying the pages for the individual booster packs (e.g. A Newcomer in Alba Litora (BAM-BP), Dark Destruction (BAM-BP), Legend of the Dragon (BAM-BP), and future Booster Packs) such that the card list would be a table instead of a list. That table will contain the following columns: (You can add other columns, but those are the essential info since the other relevant info can be found on the Card List anyway, but you can add more columns if you think that some other relevant information should be included)
 * Card Name
 * Exclusive (either Yes or No)
 * Cost and Currency (place the cost if available on shop, if removed by Cardmaggedon or was just a one-day promo like BAM-o-Ween then place a Crafting logo)
 * Rarity

While for this page (the Card List), change the costs for the cards removed by Cardmaggedon to Booster Pack Exclusive to warn players that it cannot be bought directly from the shop anymore (I think we need a new svg for that). Then I also suggest that you add a new column:
 * Booster Pack (It seems like each card can only be found in exactly one booster pack, so there should be no complications in implementing this)

For the BAM-o-Ween and BAM X-Mas cards, I suggest that you don't remove the costs yet until they're released in Booster Packs so that we can easily see the info for the card cost when they're released in Booster Packs. Just state somewhere that they're only available as a special promo.Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 12:30, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * The problem is being addressed when the cards are added to the main pages. (see the last few comments at User talk:Falzar FZ)
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:38, December 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks!Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 13:24, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Level change
Does anyone else have different monster Levels? Level 10: Chacu Challhua, Ananta, Hyper Psychic Blaster, Millennium Golem, Level 9 : Fiend Reflection 1, Coelacanth, Waterdragon Fairy, Level 8: Crow Goblin, The Furious Sea King, etc... If yes, I think it's a bug, so maybe don't change it yet. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:38, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Seems like the Levels now generally reflect the usefulness of a card. Some cards like Armored Starfish have too low Level, but really useful. Just scanned the cards in the shop, and I can say that monsters with higher Level are more useful/powerful than monsters of lower Level.Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 23:34, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's just that there are quite a few bad cards with high Levels. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:42, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, maybe Levels are determined by a card's strength or usefulness relative to monsters with the same Type (?) as that monster. For example, Fiend Reflection #1 is Level 9 since it seems to be the strongest among the Winged Beast-Type monsters with only Harpy Lady Sisters as the other contending monster. The effects of the two are:

Maybe the game seems to think that Annihilate is stronger than Sneak, thus it has higher Level than Harpy Lady Sisters.Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 00:16, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fiend Reflection #1 ---> First Strike 1000 + Annihilate Dark
 * Harpy Lady Sisters ---> First Strike 1000 + Sneak


 * Although they don't seem perfectly consistent, now that you mention it, they are consistent enough (+- 1 or 2 Levels) to not be a bug and was done deliberatly.
 * There's also how a Level 11 monster, but they didn't update the card filter. Maybe they forgot.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:48, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * So that means that someone have to reupload some cards again (due to changed Levels)... at least after the devs speak about this. It seems like they haven't really said anything in detail about the changes (they didn't mention changes in Levels and in the selling prices in the forum), and there seem to be lack of response from them (apparently, the revised gifting system and them removing the 1 CP when you lose a Duel with a friend seems to be not addressed yet). Dark Pride (talk • contribs) 06:16, January 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * All changes made were deliberate, except the lack of consolation prize.
 * So the table can be updated now without worrying about it possibly changing back.
 * Upload them to a separate file (different errata) or is it not worth it and upload over it?
 * Considering how we can't get images for the first two versions anyway (1 original, 2 attribute change, 3 rarity added, 4 level changed)
 * It's probably not worth it. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 20:25, January 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll do the same automated process of image capturing and uploading as I did last time.
 * Tomorrow if I have time. I'll upload over the current image if there's no one against it.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:51, January 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * Done what I had access to, missing:
 * File:CeremonialBell-BAM-EN-VG.png
 * File:DarkBat-BAM-EN-VG.png
 * File:MaliceDollofDemise-BAM-EN-VG.png
 * File:SacredSpiritoftheIceBarrier-BAM-EN-VG.png
 * File:ShiningAngel-BAM-EN-VG.png
 * File:VampireLord-BAM-EN-VG.png
 * File:WanderingMummy-BAM-EN-VG.png
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:59, January 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've moved the list of changes to List of Yu-Gi-Oh! BAM cards/Changes and also added the long list of Level updates to it.
 * There are a few cards which I don't have access to, so I've marked them with a "?", if the Level is the same, remove them, otherwise replace the "?" with the Level.
 * Once that is done, I should be able to use that list to automate the update process, so you can leave that part to me.
 * The sell price changes can be added though. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:22, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Selling Price changed
I have noticed some of the cards in my inventory have their resell changed after the update (Ex: Gazelle the King of Mythical Beasts now sold for 7400 coins instead of 9500, Giganto sold for 9900 coins instead of 21500, while many other CP cards still keep their resell price the same). Is this a bug and should we update the table? BAM Master (talk • contribs) 01:43, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Seems like someone's already asked about the Levels on the Forum
 * If there are only a few that changed, then it's probably deliberate since that has occurred before. If there are a lot, maybe someone else can ask about the sell prices.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:47, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Like above, All changes made were deliberate, except the lack of consolation prize.
 * So yea, change the table I guess... then 1 CP Buy doesn't equal 100 Coin Resell any more. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 20:25, January 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's actually correct, the buying price changed, so naturally, so did the selling price. 74.125.184.23 (talk) 14:31, January 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Right. I've gone through the buying prices in the shop and added the changes to List of Yu-Gi-Oh! BAM cards/Changes. I didn't check or add the prices of the cards which are not in the stop. Also, they seem to have forgotten to change the rarities to reflect on the price.
 * The buying price can be worked out using the following formulae for the people who already have the cards.
 * "Cost in coin divide by 2 = sell price in coins" or Cost in coin = sell price multiply by 2
 * "Cost in CP multiply by 100 = sell price in coins" or Cost in CP = sell price in coins divide by 100
 * "Cost in DP multiply by 2000 = sell price in coins" or Cost in DP = sell price in coins divide by 2000
 * If the Cost in coin is an odd number (for example 103295), divide it anyway and round it up to the nearest 5 for the sell price. There is no reverse formula for this one.
 * For the card Monster Egg which was 2375 Coins and is now 47500 Coins. I wish I'd spent 2,375,000 Coins mass buying them the other day, so if I sell them now, I would have 23,750,000 Coins.
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:57, January 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * This is a list of the cards which haven't been checked (as they are not in the shop as mentioned in my previous post).
 * Please edit the following list. If the card is the same price is what's listed here, remove it from this list. If it is different, remove it and add it to List of Yu-Gi-Oh! BAM cards/Changes, or you can simply make a note of it here and I'll go around doing that later.


 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:11, January 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Checked all the cards that I had in my main account. I've listed all changes in card prices in List of Yu-Gi-Oh! BAM cards/Changes (including cards that no longer available to purchase from shop). I'll check my other test accounts. Still missing some cards but I hope it'll reduce the burden for others to check. --BAM Master (talk • contribs) 03:13, January 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * The list here says Monster Egg was 2375 Coins. The blog says it was 23750 Coins. Does anyone remember what it really was? so which site has the typo? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:24, January 18, 2013 (UTC)