Talk:Crystal Beast Deck

Shouldn't there be more than one copy of each crystal beast?

It is a list of suggestions, not an actual deck. I feel sorry for anybody to make a deck from any list like this on the wiki with so many singles, and no staples. Yami Michael 02:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, the article here is bad.
Seriously. Let's have a look here, line by line:


 * Crystal Beast decks are usually made up with cards that support Continuous Spell Cards.
 * No, they aren't; they're made of cards that support the Gem Beasts. Those that refer specifically to Continuous Spell Cards, such as Gem Flash Energy and Magna-Slash Dragon, invariably hurt the deck. There are good cards that support the Gem Beasts in their Continuous Spell form, though; Rare Value is an excellent example of this.


 * Cards like Gravi-Crush Dragon and Magna-Slash Dragon are necessary for beginner Crystal Beast decks because of their effects.
 * Removing Gem Beasts from the spell/trap zone directly conflicts with the proper win condition - Crystal Abundance, which already clears the field. Perhaps the key word is "beginner", but that's like saying "Larvae Moth is necessary for beginner Insect decks"; if it's only going to happen if the deck is bad, why say it? Also, note that both of these monsters are Level 6, and Gem Beast decks don't like tributing either; tributed Gem Beasts aren't "destroyed", so they can't go to the spell/trap zone.


 * An advanced Crystal Beast deck would include and revolve around getting Rainbow Dragon onto the field.
 * This statement is so wrong that it's funny. Sorry to break it to those who haven't figured it out yet, but Rainbow Dragon is a bad card. In your hand, unless you've already dumped all of the Gem Beasts, it's utterly useless, a dead draw. If you can summon it, then you get - -a 4000 ATK beatstick! Good for you! Oh, wait, the game doesn't revolve around beatsticks anymore; that's why Blue-Eyes White Dragon + Birthright hasn't caught on as a decent deck goal. The effects can't be activated during the turn it is summoned, which means you can't even OTK by pumping up its ATK with its first effect. True, your opponent probably won't be able to attack and kill it, but decks run so much removal that attacking is completely unnecessary; this card can be killed in much easier ways, since the card has no built-in protection. There's always the overrated Rainbow Dragon (second effect) + Dimension Fusion OTK, but Dimension Fusion is Limited and a dead draw under almost all conditions, and there are easier ways to remove monsters - especially ones that don't require a 9-card combo. Also, note that using Rainbow Dragon requires the use of bad Gem Beasts, such as Cobalt Eagle and Emerald Tortoise, so even if you never draw Rainbow Dragon, it's still harming your deck by forcing the use of bad cards.


 * However, in most of these decks the most common strategy among Crystal Beast duelists is the Crystal Abundance OTK strategy.
 * I have no idea if it's the most common, but it is definitely the best, so I'll accept this sentence. It's probably the best one in the paragraph.


 * Most players rely on this strategy because the Crystal Abundance card is actually simple to obtain and somewhat simple to activate.
 * The ease of obtaining Crystal Abundance has nothing to do with how useful it is as a strategy. This sentence implies that Abundance is for people who can't afford expensive decks, whereas it is actually for people who are good at the game.


 * Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder also works perfectly in this type of Deck.
 * This sentence is probably the worst one in the paragraph. Now, we have established that the deck goal is Crystal Abundance, correct? Crystal Abundance requires 4 Gem Beasts in the spell/trap zone, correct? So, will someone kindly explain to me how removing three Gem Beasts from the spell/trap zone to get out a 4000 ATK beatstick - this card is even more beatstick-y than Rainbow Dragon, by the way, as it lacks the field-clearing effect - helps you fill your spell/trap zone with Gem Beasts? Hamon is a pointless -3 that directly conflicts with the win condition and weakens the deck.


 * The 3 Wicked Gods work well in this type of deck, because of Ruby Carbuncle's ability to swarm the field easily.
 * Oh, no. Now we're going to continue to -3 ourselves, only this time we'll also be tributing our Gem Beasts - you know, tributing as opposed to destroying them, so they go to the graveyard instead of the spell/trap zone. Just because a deck can summon the Wicked Gods doesn't mean that it should summon the Wicked Gods. In fact, there are other, more noteworthy 3-tribute monsters, such as Destiny Hero - Plasma and both of the Arcana Force EX monsters; they're also bad in a Gem Beast deck, but they're still better than the Wicked Gods. There is nothing that makes the Wicked Gods good in a Gem Beast deck.


 * Crystal Beast decks are probably the only place where you'll ever see 3 different 4000 ATK monsters in the same Deck (Rainbow Dragon; Hamon, Lord of Striking Thunder; The Wicked Dreadroot).
 * Each of those cards sucks individually - one's a situational beatstick that forces you to use other bad cards, and the other two are -3 beatsticks that contradict the deck goal - and a deck containing all 3 would be the worst hideously awful deck ever created. Advising players to use even one of these cards was bad enough. Saying that they should be used together is just hideous.

The "recommended cards"" list is equally hideous, but I'm getting tired, so I'll just give two examples:


 * Rainbow Life is recommended. Now, I'm guessing that whoever wrote this list did nothing but look at the card's name, since the presence of the word "Rainbow" implies that the card relates to Rainbow Dragon (who also sucks), whereas it actually does not. In fact, this card works no better in a Gem Beast deck than it would in any other deck, and while we're on the subject, it works very badly in those decks too. Recommending it is pointless.


 * The other example that I'm going to give is Gryphon's Feather Duster. Now, this card is at least a -2 that directly contradicts the win condition, and for it to restore more Life Points than, say, Dian Keto the Cure Master (which is bad in any deck), you would need to destroy 3 of your own spell/trap Gem Beasts - a grand total of a -4 for what purpose? Restoring a few Life Points. I could activate Poison of the Old Man twice and -2 myself, and I'd still regain more Life Points than I would with Gryphon's Feather Duster even if I -5'd myself by destroying the maximum of four Gem Beasts (remember, you can't activate a Normal Spell if all five of your Spell and Trap zones are filled with Gem Beasts). Granted, I could destroy a Field Spell with it too, but Ancient City - Rainbow Ruins can't be destroyed by it if a spell/trap Gem Beast would be destroyed at the same time (check the rulings; Ancient City survives Heavy Storm, since there are still Gem Beasts in the spell/trap zone when it tries to be destroyed), so I would need to be running a Field Spell other than Ancient City, which is sheer stupidity - and even then it would be a -6 for 2500 Life Points, only 100 Life Points more than those gained by -2'ing yourself with 2 Poison of the Old Man. In short, Gryphon's Feather Duster is a terrible card that is just as terrible here as it is anywhere else.

Now, I know that Yu-Gi-Oh Wikia isn't metagame.com, but I think we can all agree that giving bad advice purely for the sake of not giving good advice is a bad idea, correct? If we know that something can be improved, it should be improved. If we're going to deliberately make it worse, we may as well delete the article. The goal of the Wikia isn't to promote its own Wikia-ness, it's to help people, and advising Gravi-Crush Dragon isn't going to help anyone at all.

In summary:

The article has the deck completely wrong, and the "recommended cards" is just as bad. Both need to be completely rewritten. I would have done so myself immediately, but I figured I might face opposition from the "this-isn't-metagame-dot-com-we-merely-list-cards-that-can-be-put-in-a-deck-even-if-they-suck" crowd and get it reverted, so I wanted to leave room for discussion and get a go-ahead first. (I do already have a go-ahead for "recommended cards" sections in general, following the Elemental Hero Deck incident, but not for completely changing the point of the actual article.) --Crab Helmet 07:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Can someone please explain to me how Rainbow Dragon is the ace of Crystal Beasts? I'm not seeing it. --Crab Helmet 02:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and the ONLY card on the Recommended Cards list that is not a Crystal Beasts support card, is not a Staple, and is not mentioned in the article is Rescue Cat. Can we just mention Rescue Cat in the article and delete the pointless list? --Crab Helmet 02:19, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Added Jinzo to the list, since using an Abundance build for 2 days showed me that having it Solemn'd/Bribed is painful and costs you the duel. Also added Summon Priest since it's mandatory, although I'm not too sure if OCG exclusives are allowed on recommended card lists. --Pizzaman 10:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Crystal Beast Deck
Hello there, i dont know who you people are but most of you dont have any right to put down some of the most important cards in a crystal beast deck. For starters, I built a Crystal Beast Deck about 5 months ago that has NOT been beaten yet. I have beaten Dark Armed Dragon Decks, Gladiator Beast Decks, OTK Decks, Plasma Control Decks, Light & Darkness Dragon Decks, and Monarch Decks. First of all idk who said that Crystal Beast Cobalt Eagle sucks. I have 2 of them in my Deck and the only use that i have for them is that they help me get out Rainbow Dragon. I just return a Crystal Beast Sapphire Pegasus to the top of my deck when its in my Spell/Trap card zone so that i can get out another Crystal Beast next turn. Crystal Beast Emerald Tortoise is also a card i have 2 of in my deck becuase he is the BEST Crystal best for playing it safe while its in DEF mode. Its effect also alows all the other Crystal Beasts to play it safe as well. I also have 2 Rainbow Dragons in my deck as well becuase of his ATK and becuse of how well he goes with the card Ancient City - Rainbow Ruins. Not many monsters can take down a moster with 4000 ATK, and with Ancient City - Rainbow Ruins effect, it can protect it from Spell & Trap cards, making the mighty beast almost imposible to beat. His 2nd effect is also VERY good for playing it safe. After he takes a big chunk out of an opponets life points if you have a Crystal Beast in your hand that can win the duel for you with a direct attack. Use Rainbow Dragons 2nd effect durring your next turn to clear the entire field so that you can get that last attack in for the big win. I only have 1 copy of the card Crystal Abundance becuase i mostly win the duel using Rainbow Dragon, however i have won many duels with the OTK Crystal Abundance Stradegy. If anyone would like my Crystal Beast Deck List, just contact me at my e-mail acount, i would be glad to help you out with your Crystal Beast Problums.--w:c:YuGiOh:User:Bloodthurster 1:06, 22 July 2008
 * There's no point to "play it safe" when you need speed in drawing out Abundance. Furthermore, there shouldn't be space left to use bad CB's in a properly built Abundance build. --Pizzaman 12:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)