Forum:Deck Guide

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Deck Guides
As you all know (hopefully), Bluedog, Blue-Eyes White Kid, and I have started a page where we help create/edit decks submitted to us on our page. While on this page, a user (Phoenixdrakenfire), suggested that, as experienced deck builders, we could create guides for those who are less skilled. These deck guides would be in depth guides, written by experienced duelists/deckbuilders, that describe how to use/build a type of deck such as Dinosaur, Yubel, Diamond Dude Turbo, and many others (hybrids would go under their strongest base. ex - Twilight would go under Lightsworn). The guides would explain how a deck works, their strengths and weaknesses, and would provide different examples and variants of the deck type. These guides would hopefully be in the forums under their own section (similar to Weekly Deck Contest or the Duel Terminal) and would have a designated area for duelists to post their own ideas to further better the guides. If you've been invited here it means that I think that your deckbuilding/knowledge is of a high enough standard that it should be used by duelists all of the globe. Would you be interested in helping? Please understand that this will be a massive undertaking. --Tantara 00:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Sign Up and Deck Selection
Please note that only those who are invited may sign up. --Tantara 03:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Tantara - Fairy Guide
 * Blue-Eyes White Kid - Gladiator Beast Guide
 * Bluedog187
 * Runer5h - Monarch Guide
 * Gadjiltron - Macro Guide
 * Trivi-AM
 * Darth Covah - Lightsworn Guide
 * Messengerofthedark

Links

 * | Decks to choose from
 * | Guide Template is at the bottom of this page. You can make small modifications to this if you'd like (such as adding an "Approximate Cost of Deck" section)

Guides

 * Forum:Deck Guide/Fairy
 * Forum:Deck Guide/Gladiator Beasts
 * Forum:Deck Guide/Lightsworn
 * Forum:Deck Guide/Macro
 * Forum:Deck Guide/Monarchs

Ideas/Suggestions

 * I've invited Runer, do you guys have anyone you've thought of to invite? --Tantara 20:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Messenger of the Dark might be a good choice. Many Weekly Deck Competition members could be good choices.


 * I've just been thinking about him, he could be a good contestant. Which of the WDC competitors do you have in mind? Please remember that this'll be a lot of work. --Tantara 20:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Count me in... if at all possible, I'd like Quick Synchro and Monarchs. Runer5h 21:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * If allowed, I could post a generic message on all the contestants talk page with a link to Tantara's talk, and - if they are interested - they could then try and register there. How does that sound?
 * Also, once we get this started, I will probably take on the tasks of writing the Gladiator Beast Guide, the Lightsworn Guide, the Zombie Guide, the and Psychic Guide in fair time. I have much knowledge with those decks, along with partial knowledge with several more decks. I am not 'calling' them, I'm just letting you know what decks I can cover.
 * Let's not split up the guides just yet, I've invited messenger. Whoo! I feel like we're the elite! --Tantara 00:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Are there any other duelists that could be good contestands? --Tantara 00:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not unlike being the elite. Other ideas for contestants... what about Chris427? He happens to have a deckmaking tutorial already (specifically, a Stone Statue OTK) and it's quite good. Runer5h 00:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * I've thought about Chris as well. I've tried to contact him but he no longer seems to be on. --Tantara 00:49, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I don't know... Gadjiltron has made a variety of decks, so I guess he might work. Runer5h 01:08, 22 August 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * I vote yes on Gadjiltron. He looks solid. --Tantara 01:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. Someone notify him. Runer5h 01:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * I'll do it. --Tantara 01:16, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * BTW, I probably won't have internet access for about a week starting tomorrow (I may be wrong about this). Runer5h 01:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * This is going to be a long term thing, so no worries. If we start, we'll just start on one guide each. --Tantara 01:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've made a page for everyone else to tell us what guides they'd like. --Tantara 03:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * How about Trivi-AM? Just look at his decks.
 * Oh yeah, will we be covering OCG decks, like Genex, Ice Barrier, etc.?


 * I'd really rather keep it to TCG (OCG is so much bigger), but that's just my vote. And I like Trivi-AM as well. BEWK, would you invite him? --Tantara 05:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey all, I've heard from you and I'd be delighted to join in. --Gadjiltron 09:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, let's all pick out one (yes, BEWK, I'm looking at you!) deck on the to create a guide on. BEWK, have you invited Trivi yet? --Tantara 18:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Trivi-AM has yet to reply. Does the deck have to be on that page? I will choose Gladiator Beasts.


 * If it's not on the page, add it. I gave the wrong link before, oops. Here's the edited | link Anyone else want to claim a guide? --Tantara 00:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll take Macro, I'm experienced in that. --Gadjiltron 05:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * There is something wrong with the link. And as far as choosing a deck, and building a deck guide, how exactly do we cover that? Isn't that exactly what the Deck Types pages do? Messengerofthedark 08:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, nevermind, I'm going to withdraw myself. I already have WDC, and am fairly busy, so I don't think that I would have the time, and don't really have the qualifications. Messengerofthedark 08:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It's your choice, but this isn't something that you have to do all at once. I, myself, am going to do my guides on the week ends. The invitation stands if you'd like to rejoin. Darth Covah and Airbellum would like to join. What do you all think of them? --Tantara 14:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Darth Covah, Airbellum, and Blackwingggys would like to join. What do you all think? --Tantara (talk) 22:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I can tell you that Darth's a really good deck builder, he'd be perfect for this sort of thing. (I don't know about Airbellum and Blackwingggys, though, never seen their decks so I can't say much about them) --Bluedog (Talk) 23:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll take your word on it and invite Darth. I'm totally neutral on Airbellum but I'm kind of shaky with Blackwingggys (a few of his card choices are TOTALLY random sometimes) --Tantara (talk) 23:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Like I said, I don't really know about them, so you and the others should decide. --Bluedog (Talk) 23:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Blackwingggys knows what he's doing to the extent of the decks that he's familiar with, which is enough. I say that we invite him. --Tantara (talk) 00:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I say no to Blackwinggys. He needs to show more deckbuilding prowess first. Messengerofthedark 00:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for the invite guys, I won't let you down. As for the other people who want to join (Blackwinggys and Airbellum), here's my opinion:
 * -Blackwinggys indeed seems to show skill in decks he's familiar with, but unless he can take the principles that made one of his deck good and apply them to a deck he's never built before, he needs more practice. I'm not saying he is not good, quite the contrary, but skill in deckbuilding comes with a lot of practice, and he does not seem to have enough of that. Sorry mate, I just don't think you are ready yet.
 * -Airbellum... seeing his page, I don't see anything bad, but I don't see anything extraordinary either. His deck is good, but it is just like all other decks of the GB archetype - it has no personal touch. Also, I see no other examples of deckbuilding from him. Now, his deck is good, and I'm sure he can build decks, but I just can't say how good. I'm afraid you'll need to show us some more stuff mate.

All those being said, I'd like some added info on the guides folks. Is anyone in charge of Lightsworn and Burn guides? Shall I write them? Where will we post them? --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 01:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Darth Covah. And will we be having a template for the deck guides like this? That is just my idea for deck guide structure. So, Tantara, could you create - or give your opinion for - a satisfactory template for the guides? I do not mean to rush anything.


 * We should get started on this immediately, I added links to the section to select Guides to make as well as the template to the guides. I'll tell Blackwingggys and Airbellum NO then. --Tantara (talk) 18:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Duelist33 would like to join, I'm not in favor of this. --Tantara (talk) 20:41, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * E-Dizzle would like to join, I am in favor of this. Duelist33 looks like he has a lot of knowledge on several decks, but I am unsure about letting him join. On the other hand, we could use all the help we can get...


 * I say no to both, we can't have mediocre guides coming out. If you have a guide, post it at the top. --Tantara (talk) 02:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * dragonty08 would like to join --Tantara (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * What do you all think? --Tantara (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Complete Guide links
/Gladiator Beasts - That was tough... Tell me what you think.


 * Get rid of the titles (moosh it into one or two paragraphs) and add some glad variants (winged glads and others), it also needs to explain the reliance on Gyzarus and Heraklinos. I'm going to give an explanation and description of every card that I may potentially use in my deck, you don't have too, but it helps the duelist to understand how the deck works. --Tantara (talk) 21:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Winged GB decks are impossible to build these days with the lack of 3 Bestiaris. I will make a section on Fissure Glads, though.
 * It doesn't matter, just put a note at the top that the limitation of bestiari ruins them. Let's get as many variants as we can handle. I'm up to my head in this fairy guide. I'm covering ALL fairy builds and giving a review of most of the competitive fairy cards. --Tantara (talk) 23:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Remove the bit about unfair ban lists, lol. We should be objective here. And the new erata states that Indominable Gladiator Beast sends Gladiator Beast CARDS back to the deck :D Gladiator Beasts are really cheap if you build it by hand using ebay, only like, $60-80. Remove that tag-out bit about Octavius as well as well.. Good job so far! --Tantara (talk) 00:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Check out how I started out, I'd like some opinions before I go on writing a OVER 9000 page long article on Lightsworn decks. And something I noticed is that we must mention stuff like consistency, draw power, recursion cards etc, but we can't expect everyone to know what we are saying, so I thought, instead of having to type it in every guide, why don't we make a basic/beginner's guide, that'll cover basics such as terminology explanation, what to look for in a card etc? Because I can't be going about explaining to everyone why a milled Judgment Dragon is more accessible than one in the deck because of the multitude of recursion cards in the deck. I just can't do that. So, please, can we do something like that too? --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 00:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That's making 2 guides out of every single deck. no thank you, haha. I'll check out your guide so far. --Tantara (talk) 00:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I dislike the amount of recommended cards idea as that lessens creativity and be bad advice in the first place (Most LS I see run 2 ryko, not 1 =P) Speed, Consistency, etc. idea is interesting as well. It may be a good idea for this guide (as good as the idea is, it doesn't fit for all decks, how would giving a 1/10000000 for speed to cloudians help people build/want to run the deck?) --Tantara (talk) 00:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. Those are the same things I thought were out of place too. I'll get to making version 2. --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 12:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoo, just finished mine. Take a look here. --Gadjiltron 11:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Left you a message in the sub-page's Talk Page. Could you also check mine out? I added some more content, and styled some points differently, but it is far from ideal. --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 19:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think Covah has the right idea. Listing all the possible tech choices and explaining why they're used is an excellent way to explain how the deck works. I still think that sample decks are needed though. --Tantara (talk) 20:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Almost finished mine. That took SO LONG. I made all the variants by hand as well! Let's post our guides under the section at the top. Post the decks like this: Forum:Deck Guide/DECK --Tantara (talk) 00:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have redone my guide, taking the advice of...many people.


 * It's very good. Gadjiltron and Covah, get your's up already! --Tantara (talk) 02:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * My Lightsworns Guide is ready. I haven't had time to put the deck variations in it too, but I'll get to it. The guide is damn large though. Maybe too large xD. Check it out. --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 11:52, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Macro Deck Guide fine-tuned and added. --Gadjiltron 14:32, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Anyone want to take a second one? --Tantara (talk) 23:07, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I could do Burn, after I'm done with Twilight, ZombieSworn and RitualSworn xD. --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 23:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I will do the Zombie guide as soon as I can spare time for it.
 * Maybe I'll do plants. A friend of mine runs them, I think I know how to make a decent deck strategy for them. --Gadjiltron 03:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Darth, you DO know that Burn would have to include EVERY type of burn besides Volcanics, right? And You have to know the deck inside out, Gadjiltron. --Tantara (talk) 16:50, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll switch to Koa'ki Meiru, then. I've played a full-on variant before, and understand how that runs. --Gadjiltron 01:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Back from Maine, had a blast. Well, not exactly; I'm still not quite home, and am stopping at a relative with internet access. I've got my Monarch guide mostly fleshed out, except for strengths and weaknesses. This might be quite a challenge, as Monarch builds can vary vastly - from builds packing Oppression to Macro Monarchs, D-Hero Monarchs and my own Fortune Lady Variant; I've even built 2 builds based around Magical Hats and Psychics packing E-Tele and Telekinetic Power Well.

Still, what matchups should I put in? I've chosen 7 that I think will be relevant come September; Zombies, GBs, Lightsworn, Vayu Turbo, basic BW, quick Synchro, and Skill Drain builds. What else should go in? (Anyone think that Synchro Cat will still be a powerhouse? Or Plants?) Runer5h 22:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * ... um, hello? Runer5h 22:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * Cat Synchro will be reincarnated in X-Sabers. They're amazing. Just put in as much stuff as you can bare. You don't have to put in every variant, just the main ones. --Tantara (talk) 22:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm in the process of making the Monarch guide; the problem is that it fits on a 12 page word document. Don't worry; the web version won't be so long, as I had a lot of blank space so as not to cut off deck lists in my word document. Still, it's taking quite a while to transcribe and format correctly. On the bright side, I'm mostly done, so you should see it soon. Runer5h 02:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * We're all warm and fuzzy inside waiting for it ;) --Tantara (talk) 03:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

And... done!

Forum:Deck Guide/Monarchs

It's slightly abridged, as I didn't have the heart to put in Destiny Monarchs or Indestructible Monarchs, but quite good nonetheless. Tell me what you think it needs. Runer5h 03:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * I'd just thought of pointing this out for the Monarch Deck guide, but if we are including all aspects of the deck there a very old version of it called 14 Monarch which is basically contains any number of Monarchs 3 Mother Grizzlies and a Treeborn Frog. It's rarely used but I thought I would just "throw it out there". On a different note I would be willing to do the Burn Deck Guide, unless someone already has "dibs" on it. --Trivi-AM 22:02, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not calling "dibs", but if you want we can co-op. Something like, you do Stall Burn Decks, I do Fast Burn Decks or something xD. How about it? --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 22:05, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure Ok. --Trivi-AM 22:10, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a good idea you guys, please cover Cylinder Burn if you cover fast burn Darth Covah! :D --Tantara (talk) 00:12, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * Lifisali would like to join the Deck Guide Project, he's interested in the Alien (he's VERY skilled here), Ojama, and Frog. He's got my vote. --Tantara (talk) 00:23, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've never seen any of his work in Ojamas and Frogs, but he does seem to have a much better understanding of Aliens than I do, at least. His explanation for the deck on his page is more thorough than mine (a rare trait), and I think he'd do a good job at explaining that deck. Runer5h 01:05, September 4, 2009 (UTC)Runer5h


 * He's apparently a bigshot on the Gaia Online Forums (not close to TCGplayer or pojo standards, but still.... I know ur reading this Lifisali :P). I told him to put up his Ojama and Frog decks as well. I could probably cover Aliens as well, but he'd cover them much more efficiently. --Tantara (talk) 01:10, September 4, 2009 (UTC)