Talk:Black Luster Ritual

Chaos series
I'll post our arguments from Cheesedude's page about why I think this should not be part of the Chaos series:

To prevent an edit war, I'll talk about it with you here. So you say that CXyz is a different kind of Chaos. I agree, but on a different premise.

When Dr. Faker first summoned his Heart-EartH, he did say that it combines the power of Light and Dark. Similar to how Yuugi exclaims it when it was summoned. So that is out.

And I strongly do not think there should be a rule where being in the C (archetype) automatically disqualifies it from being in the Chaos series. So the argument of "different kind of Chaos" shouldn't be a reason.

Chaos is only a series, not (yet) an archetype. So being Chaos in name is not enough of a factor. And neither is it being referenced to Light and Dark in the manga/anime. If it had "Light" or "DARK" in its card name/lore/counterparts, it would suffice, but this card, unlike his retrained counterparts, do not.

Not to mention, Chaos Soldier is an EARTH type.

For now, I won't undo your undoing edit, unless I don't see a valid reply of any sort for the next while. --Ultimate Nova X (talk • contribs) 06:29, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

I would agree that being in "C" does not disqualify it from being in "Chaos", though I would note that I cannot think of a monster that would qualify for both off-hand. Two different forms of Chaos, both referenced in two different media. I don't see how the original manga is not valid here. Is there something I'm not getting? The EARTH Attribute part is true enough, but the manga is pretty explicit. If you reply, don't expect another reply today, I'm turning in. I'm willing to discuss this further tomorrow if need-be, though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:37, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

I argue that just because there is no monster that qualifies for both does not mean we lower the expectations for getting into either.

But in this case, I do have an example anyway: Number C92: Heart-eartH Chaos Dragon.

I'll try and elaborate again, the original manga isn't valid because it's not directly related to the real life card game itself. Not to mention, its own credibility is strained due to the fact that it used the "light and dark" reference once again in my Dr. Faker example. You might have an argument if and only if the "light and dark" reference was only used once, but it wasn't. If a general reference is overused, its credibility inversely reflects it from how we should determine if it's part of a series or not. Plus, if I were to agree with you, I would argue that Shining Abyss also deserves (if not even more so) to get into the series, due to its lore description.

Since you are turning in earlier than I am, I'm going to revert the edits for both cards now, I hope you understand (even if you still disagree). Good night. --Ultimate Nova X (talk • contribs) 06:55, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

The original manga is the ORIGIN of the real life card game. You cannot seriously be saying that that does not make it directly related. I'm more or less with this. I don't care enough to keep arguing with you, but that doesn't mean another admin or user will not. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:39, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

I've already said that (this is a rare case where) appealing to the authority of the original manga isn't enough to make it legit, as it wasn't intended to be an accurate representation of the real life card game. What if in a rare case where the manga version is totally different from the real-life version? Would we still go by the manga? I don't think so. Ultimate Nova X (talk • contribs) 19:15, March 28, 2014 (UTC) Ultimate Nova X (talk • contribs) 19:17, March 28, 2014 (UTC)