Forum:September 2011, Banlist Prediction

SEPTERMBER 2011, BANLIST PREDICTIONS

FORBIDDEN


 * Monster Reborn

LIMITED


 * Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth
 * Crush Card Virus
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Archlord Kristya
 * Demise, King of Armageddon
 * Skill Drain
 * Spirit Reaper
 * Six Samurai United

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Dimensional Prison
 * Chaos Sorcerer
 * Mezuki
 * Gold Sarcophagus
 * Master Hyperion

UNLIMITED


 * Megamorph
 * Ojama Trio

FORBIDDEN

￭ Monster Reborn( we have enough special summon cards. we don't need monster reborn anymore.)

LIMITED

￭ Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth (This guy only really fits in 1 deck type so he's not too big of a problem.) ￭ Crush Card Virus(HAHAHAHA you're not funny) ￭ T.G. Hyper Librarian(He's still dangerous at 1 but if you solemn him you're good.) ￭ Archlord Kristya(this makes sense in the OCG meta since they run fairies a lot, but not in TCG.) ￭ Demise, King of Armageddon(nobody uses him.) ￭ Skill Drain(its never bothered me so i don't know what to say.) ￭ Spirit Reaper(meh card is meh.) ￭ Six Samurai United(its a powerful card, but requires the right cards to abuse it. it's a +1 at best so i can't see it being limited. semi maybe.)

SEMI-LIMITED

￭ Dimensional Prison(IMO it's not that good of a card. solemn outclasses this.) ￭ Chaos Sorcerer(people only run 2 anyway :/) ￭ Mezuki(semi mezuki but keep book of life at 3? are you insane?) ￭ Gold Sarcophagus(people only ever run 2.) ￭ Master Hyperion(ive never seen him played against me so i cant give any opinions on this guy.)

UNLIMITED

￭ Megamorph(morphtronic/vylon gets a little stronger) ￭ Ojama Trio(sure, why not) --DoitForTheLulZ! (talk • contribs) 01:08, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Confounded O.o
JUST MY THOUGHTS Yep ..I am the black Jet Li (talk • contribs) 03:44, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Six Samurai United - Semi limited
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian- Limited
 * Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth - Limited
 * Dandylion - Semi limited (just for the lulz :3, not really serious )
 * Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning - Limited (personally)
 * Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier - Limited/ Semi limited (for obvious reasons... trishula loop enough siad)
 * Destiny Draw - Semi limited (i just want to see this in more deck again )
 * Ultimate Offering - Limited (with exceeds coming out and combine that with gadgets u do the math)
 * Tsukuyomi - Limited (..cough.. i dont like shi-en )
 * Ojama Trio - Unlimited (does this even show play in any deck )
 * Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En - Limited / Semi limited
 * Gladiator Beast Bestiari - Semi limited (i wanna see more of them top)

crush card virus is almost never going to come of the banlist, the effect to destroy monsters with 1500 attack or more, is too powerfull to even have for only 1 turn. Also blackwings would be become far too powerfull, they already have access to deck devastation virus and don't need crush card virus as well

I perdict Hyper librarian getting limited or banned, he will probably provide allot of draw power to create an OTK/FTK, and if you have at least 2 of them you gain too much hand advantage and too fast.

matthew.lightbody@talktalk.net (talk • contribs) 18:52, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

What I highly disagree with:

I do not think that Monster Reborn will be limited-it's been great for the metagame. Coelocanth is good but has seen too little play to be Limited-perhaps Semi. Crush Card is far too powerful and easy to use-just tribute a Sangan or Plaguespreader and gain lots of advantage-it will stay banned. Hyper Librarian is good but at most it will be Semi'd. Krystia is also good but it's fine where it is. Demise is no longer used so there's no reason to limit him. Skill Drain doesn't even close to merit a Limit or Semi-Limit and Spirit Reaper does not need limiting. Dimensional Prison isn't too game changing for a Semi-Limitation. Chaos Sorcerer has seen little play and as such does not need a Semi-Limitation no matter how good it is. On the other hand, Mezuki is far too good to limit. Gold Sarcophagus is far too slow and is barely used.

What I agree with as a possibility or likelyhood:

As a hater of Six Samurai, I think Six Samurai United deserves at least a Semi-Limitation. Megamorph is now totally useless and deserves to be re-Unlimited. Ojama Trio is likewise near-useless and also deserves this fate. Master Hyperion will probably stay at 3 (of all the Agents, Earth is most likely to receive a Semi-Limitation due to it's search power) but it could prove powerful enough to top the metagame.

I know that Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier will be Limited and I'll bet that eventually Grapha, Dragon God of Dark World will at least by Semi-Limited (although it may not be out for long enough before the banlist). Scrap Dragon could possibly see a Semi-Limitation and if things continue Reborn Tengu may also see one.

I think So
Limited : T.G Hyper Librarian Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth Archlord Krystia] Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning Chaos Sorcerer

Semi Limited: Gladiator Beast Bestiari Shien's Dojo Shien's Smoke Signal Thunder King Rai-Oh

Unlimited: Nothing

If Bestiari were semi-limited Gladiator Beasts would be overpowered as they could get. Nobody uses Krystia and BLS - Envoy is so overpowered that there's no reason to Limit it. Also, if they limited it, then Chaos Sorcerer would at most be Semi'd.

Yeah, you make a point but at most Tengu would be semi ed. Otherwise it's effect is useless. I don't see why people think BLS - Envoy would be limited again, we've seen a BLS - Envoy and Sky Scourge Enrise deck, and that was destructive. Can't remember what tourney it was it though. -- Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 03:17, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

V.Resk
SEPTERMBER 2011, BANLIST PREDICTIONS

FORBIDDEN


 * Monster Reborn lots of revival, very fast card

LIMITED


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian silly draw power
 * Shien's Smoke Signal all the other search cards bar E are.

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Dimensional Prison Getting spammed at 3 alot
 * Doppelwarrior same as Librarian
 * A blackwing Card, maybe shura or Delta Crow
 * A DW card, as they are winning silly lots in the week or so they've been out
 * Reborn Tengu, it's like a better Destiny Hero - Malicious but tcg so idk

UNLIMITED


 * Megamorph no-one's running it anyway

- Resk ( ✩ ) 15:29, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier needs to be semi-limited because of a ridiculous loop with it that allows one to draw the entire deck with it due to Symbol of Heritage. A Fish deck can FTK through that combo by simply starting with Star Blast and Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth (and maybe Level Eater? I forget) through drawing enough cards to burn kill with Tempest Magician, or perform a loop that allows one to summon Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier as many times as one wishes in a single turn. This combo can be performed without T.G. Hyper Librarian but the loop takes longer to start gaining card advantage. Oh and I wish Reborn Tengu would get at least semi-limited but since it won't be printed in Extra Pack 4 it won't be touched for over a year at least.--Hozu (talk • contribs) 14:05, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

My predictions
I warn you in advance, I'm French and my English isn't maybe very good... Be indulgent please.

I think it's maybe a little too early to make real predictions. But ... Let's go.

BANNED


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Dandylion
 * Reinforcement of the Army

LIMITED


 * Six Samurai United
 * Shien's Smoke Signal
 * Solemn Warning
 * Pot of Avarice

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Pot of Duality
 * Gravekeeper's Spy

I'm not going to focus on other cards can become forbidden/limited/semi-limited or on cards that could come back, because I think what I said above is more certain in my opinion and I prefer not to predict returns (really too random).


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian: launches broken combos, very easy to summon, can fill the hand and the field, dissuades the opponent to Synchro Summon, 2400 ATK, Dark (he doesn't fear Catastor).


 * Dandylion: became really too broken with new cards: Spore, Glow-Up Bulb, Formula Synchron, the March 2011 list (with Dandy to 1 and Debris to 2) was not enough to stop the Plant deck, Dandy's ban is in my opinion the only way to stop the Plant deck.


 * Reinforcement of the Army: too powerfull in Six Samurai and Junk/Doppel decks (even it's true that Librarian's ban might be enough to bring the deck out of the running).


 * Six Samurai United: the same effect as Pot of Greed in Six Samurai decks, all is said.


 * Shien's Smoke Signal: Shi En's summon is too easy with this card.


 * Solemn Warning: the card itself isn't really broken, but in two copies per deck, it becomes too powerful, because the probability to obtain it at the beginning of the game, when this card hurts the most to the opponent, are higher, and the opponent can always fear another Warning. In only one copy per deck, it's a good, but balanced card.


 * Pot of Avarice: some decks like Plant can use this card like it was a Pot of Greed, and its default can become an advantage because it can return Synchro Monsters like Formula Synchron or Black Rose Dragon in Extra Deck.


 * Pot of Duality: a good card to stabilize a deck, but 3 copies per deck is maybe too powerful. Also, this card is almost mandatory in decks like X-Saber, Gravekeeper's] or Worm, while other like Dark World or Six Samurai do not really need because they Special Summon a lot of monsters and a turn without Special Summon can temporaly paralyze the deck, creating inequality between decks.


 * Gravekeeper's Spy: Gravekeeper's decks are played even in OCG, however Recruiter will not release before the release of Extra Pack 4 in September, so I can't imagine the success of Gravekeeper's deck with Recruiter's release in OCG. Spy is an engine of the deck, because it has 2000 DEF and can easily Summon usefull monsters. And Spy + Descendant is a terrible combo, because it gets rid of a card for free.

DGa (talk • contribs) 14:36, June 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's an awful and highly unrealistic list. Hyper Librarian will not get banned. At best (and most likely), it'll be Limited. Six Samurai haven't dominated this format since Plants came along. I doubt they'll be hit hard, if at all. One of their key cards (either United or Smoke Signal) will be hit, not both, and definitely not Reinforcement of the Army. Pot of Duality will not be hit. It's a good card, it's not limit or semi-limit worthy. I think that Lonefire Blossom has a bigger chance of getting hit than Dandylion, but Konami do have a tendency to go for the sillier choices. (see: Substitoad over Mass Driver) Solemn Warning is fine at 2. We need cards like Solemn Warning to actually stand a chance against certain types of decks. And GK Spy being hit is laughable. Pretty awful list. You missed Agents completely, too.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 14:44, June 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Librarian is a BROKEN card. It's a OTK/FTK engine, even at 1, like Dark Strike Fighter, and ban it is the best way to stop abuses with this card. For me, it needs to be banned, and I'm not the only one to think it. I admit that I may have been very severe with Samurai, and it's true, Reinforcement of the Army really don't need to be banned. But United needs really to be limited, because it has the same effect as Pot of Greed in SS decks. I will not again talk about PoD. Indeed, I had not thought of Lonefire Blossom, it is true that it might be more appropriate to touch instead of Dandylion. I agree with you, Solemn Warning is a good card to regulate this format with a lot of summon engines, but to 2, it's maybe too many. And I don't see how semi-limit Gravekeeper's Spy is laughable. DGa (talk • contribs) 17:03, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Updated predictions:

BANNED


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Lonefire Blossom

LIMITED


 * Six Samurai United
 * Solemn Warning
 * Pot of Avarice

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Pot of Duality
 * Gravekeeper's Spy


 * I fail to see how Hyper Librarian at 1 is an OTK/FTK engine, especially FTK. If you're losing to 1 Librarian, you must be an awful player. It is a broken card, but it doesn't need to be banned. It's fine at 1. Unlike Dark Strike Fighter, it doesn't automatically result in an OTK. They're not even on the same level. And Gravekeeper's Spy is the most random card in Gravekeeper's to hit. Gravekeeper's won't be hit by the next list, because one of their best cards is a TCG-exclusive, limiting the play in the OCG, which is what the banlist is always based on.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 17:30, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Librarian is in no way an OTK engine like DSF was. It gives advantage but it's easy to get rid of before you can gain this advantage (although not in all decks-it makes Shooting Quasar really easy to summon).

Prediction updated

FORBIDDEN


 * Monster Reborn
 * Symbol of Heritage (maybe Limited or untouched)
 * Mind Master

LIMITED


 * Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Archlord Kristya
 * Mystical Space Typhoon
 * Solemn Warning
 * Infernity Mirage
 * Six Samurai United

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Dimensional Prison
 * Chaos Sorcerer
 * Mezuki
 * Wild Tornado
 * Formula Synchron (maybe Limited)
 * Tuning
 * Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier
 * Master Hyperion

UNLIMITED


 * Megamorph
 * Ojama Trio

Anyone who thinks Blackwings need to get hit again need to die. The deck can't touch any Tier 1 deck in TCG and when it fights in tier 2 decks, it still does bad now. OCG Vayu Turbo have blaring weaknesses too, especially against Gravekeepers.

What needs to happen is:

Hyper Librarian - Limited, at most Banned. 2 Libarians can turn a 3 card combo into a 9 card hand.

Formula Synchron - Semi-Limited, at most Limited. This card already provides a lot of draw power and too many decks build around spamming it.

Reborn Tengu - Semi-Limited, at most not Limited since TCG only. If the card didn't have good stats with its effect, it would be borderline useless to have at all. But Malicious is Semi for its Synchro power, this needs to be too for that reason.

Dewloren - Semi-Limited, at most Limited. This card is the best one to Semi limited to prevent that new FTK Deck with Future Fusion. It's fair to go to 2 instead of another card to get banned.

Archlord Krystia - Limited. Not many decks can touch Krystia once it hits the field and it utterly halts the game. The fact that it comes back makes it almost hopeless to try to stop. And with Valhalla, it can come out very easily. Limiting this is for hurting its consistency in Fairy decks. Dark Armed Dragon is Limited as a Dark boss monster, Krystia is the same with an effect more attuned to lock-down than OTK destruction.

Royal Tribute - Limited. First turn Royal Tribute 90% of the time wins games. And with Necrovalley's effect to stop the dropped monsters from ever coming back and your opponent getting a peak at your hand, it's kind of dumb. Delinquent Duo, The Forced Sentry, and Confiscation are banned. This card is more powerful with a bigger cost though. Go to one for consistency.

Six Samurai United - Semi-Limited, at most Limited. I play Samurai and I can understand how dumb things can be. The deck's lockdown power is stupid.

Mind Master - Banned. Psychic decks need only 1 Librarian to lock down every player with just this one card. It's the Psychic equivalent to a Frog card that is now banned. It's still banned because it cycles through a deck, Psychics do the same thing. If Mind Master doesn't get banned than that Frog card should come back.

Black Whirlwind - Semi-Limited. As an avid Blackwing player for years, everyone knows it was Gale and Kalut that would break the deck. With Icarus Attack at 2 and Kalut at 1, the deck isn't as great as it used to be. Kalut and Icarus Attack made the deck scary if they had backfield or a hand. Now, there's no reason not to attack and get hit by the 1 Kalut. Black Whirlwind can come back to 2 because it would make the deck a bit more consistent. Besides, there are many other decks that fly circles around Blackwings today.

Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner - Semi-Limited. The deck is also ready for a comeback. I hated this deck before, but I now realize it was Necro Gardna and Honest that made the deck stupid. Charge of the Light Brigade is a search that drops cards into the grave which may provide too many benefits, so I say Lumina instead. Of course, at its best, both could go to 2 and it would be fine in today's meta.

Tribe-Infecting Virus - Limited. Type Lightning Vortex that needs field presence to reuse. It may be too broken with Librarian, but it's not broken without Librarian. When Shi-En, Beast, or Barkion hit the field, what are you supposed to do? This makes that possible. Dark Hole came back because it doesn't do much against Stardust, same thing here so it isn't too broken unless draw power is too strong.

Pot of Duality - Semi-Limited. Decks that use them use 3. It's got its limitations, but we already have too much draw power as it is and this just makes people have 37 card decks in their decks as opposed to 40. Consistency is good in non-tier 1 decks, but those decks depend too much on it. If they want consistency, create new support for them. We all know what happened to Dark Worlds, Samurai, and Fairies when just 3 or 4 (or 15 for Samurai) new cards are made for their archetypes.

Destiny Draw - Semi-Limited. Meh, it's fine.

The bane of all our existence: Pot of Avarice - Limited. If Formula, Librarian, Reborn Tengu, or a few other cards can't get limited in some way, then this card definitely needs to get hit. 95% of the decks use 2 to create infinite consistency, and 3 if they think they can get a 12 card hand with 5 Synchros on the field- because I've done it too many times with my decks.

What is this new Future Fusion FTK? Also, when has Mind Master actually seen gamebreaking use?

Ah, pretty sweet FTK-however, Effect Veiler kills it (stops Librarian or Tempest) as do Solemn Warning and Solemn Judgment. It also only works if you get Future Fusion in your first hand which is a 3/20 chance (15%). Apparently the deck goes into Miracle Gemini...but the deck probably isn't worth semi-limiting Dewloren for.

Eh...
I guess i'll make my own predictions too

Forbidden


 * Gateway of the Six (if Six Samurai United isn't hit)
 * Monster Reborn

Limited


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Ultimate Offering
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (this time for the TCG)
 * Solemn Warning
 * Royal Tribute

Semi-Limited


 * Chaos Sorcerer
 * Reborn Tengu
 * Pot of Duality
 * Six Samurai United (if Gateway of the Six isn't banned)
 * Book of Moon
 * Demise, King of Armageddon
 * Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier
 * Black Rose Dragon
 * Formula Synchron
 * Dimensional Prison
 * Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
 * Master Hyperion

Unlimited


 * Ojama Trio
 * Megamorph
 * Bottomless Trap Hole

Moja619 (talk • contribs) 01:48, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Solemn Warning really doesn't need the limit. Semi-Tengu would kill it. Semi-limiting Chaos Sorcerer is not necessary as most people use one or two. Demise is no longer used-no need for semi. Black Rose doesn't need the semi as Debris is at two (easiest BRD ever). Dimensional Prison is perfect at three. And Ultimate Offering...why the hell limit it?

Ulimate Offering + Gadgets = instant Rank 4 Xyz Summon (once they arrive to the TCG)

Moja619 (talk • contribs) 02:15, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

bottomless to 3?.. why would you say that ... highly unlikely that they would ever do that ...duality would never go semi. it isnt that broken ..you can only use 1 per turn plus you cant special that turn..royal tribute will stay to 2...for 1 simple reason ..not splashable enough and only used in gravekeepers.. without that gravekeepers will go extinct (personally).....i dont think they will ban monster reborn again, BUT, it is very likely that they might do it , but i dont think so..book of moon to 2 sounds good for the format ..so i can actually go with you on that 1...but other than that everything else seems spot on Yep ..I am the black Jet Li (talk • contribs) 06:46, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Moja-that's okay but it requires a field to set up.

My predictions:

Ban: Monster Reborn

Limited: T.G. Hyper Lib, Coelacanth, Kristya, Hyperion, Doppelwarrior, Six Samurai United, LSS Shi En, maybe Kizan, maybe BW Bora, Dragon Ravine (turbo!), Lonfire Blossom, Machina Gearfreame&Fortress, Karakuri-Synchros (KMP), Shooting Quasar Dragon

Semi-Limited: maybe BW Shura, D-Draw, Scrap Dragon, BW Vayu (OCG Graveyard BW), Miracle Fusion, Mezuki, LS Lumina, Chaos Sorcerer, LS Ryko

Unlimited: GB Bestiari (because you MUST destroy a trap/magic card, it's a nonsense when your oppenent plays o deck without S/T cards), Ojama Trio, BoM

Tengu cannot be semi-limited because this card isn't in OCG.

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