User talk:Cheesedude

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Toon Roll-Back
I happened to land on Toon Roll-Back's page by chance, and I couldn't help but notice something: the effect given doesn't match the actual card text. At all.

This is what it actually says:


 * Activate when a Toon Monster's attack is negated by an opponent's Trap. This turn, you can conduct your Battle Phase again.

...Which I'll admit appears to be at least in part a "silly anime effect." I say "negate," which is 無効, but what it actually says is 終了, "end". And yes, Alister/Amelda plays it in response to Kaiba's "Negate Attack," which uses both ("Negate the attack and end the Battle Phase.")

So yeah. Wasn't sure what to do here. I take it if I see card text that's egregiously wrong like this, I have carte blanche to fix it, right? (Worse yet, there's an Italian translation based on the incorrect English effect...)--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 21:42, July 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting (I say that a lot, don't I?) Yeah, go ahead and fix it, by all means. I recall the dubbed version of that episode. Alister specifically mentioning that his monsters couldn't attack again, which was used as the rationale for why he brought out Toon DMG by Tributing Toon BEWD. I don't know what the Japanese version said. But there have been cases where all of a card's effect is simply not written on the card. And not only in the old series. It happened about a month back in ZEXAL with "Bubble Bringer". For now I'd just remove that part altogether. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:51, July 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. Thanks.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 23:00, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

GX Episode 147
In the notes section, 1exodiafani made a note about the effect of "Advanced Crystal Beast Ruby Carbuncle" and how the effect of "Crystal Beast Ruby Carbuncle" is used in the real game even though the Advanced Crystal Beasts are anime only cards. They are technically not the same, so I don't understand why there is a note there. I removed it, but FredCat100 undid that because he claimed it was like a normal Crystal Beast monster. The Advanced Ruby Carbuncle page clearly shows its lore as how it works in the anime(it isn't a real card). Can you help fix this confusion mess?Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:46, July 15, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Yeah, remove that note. You're right. The lore of the Advanced Crystal Beasts is not the same. I'll talk to Fred if it's an issue (though I think he has my talk page on his watchlist, so he'll probably see this). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:49, July 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Saw that - but you can't edit my talk page anymore, not till MediaWiki hauling their ass out. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  04:04, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Episode 140 page
"Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo" is shown with 1300 ATK in the original due to an error created in the previous episode. This creates some confusion as this should have changed the outcome of the Duel. The dub used the TCG/OCG of "Pachycephalo" since that error was fixed in that version of that episode. Should we make a error section in that page about this or no since this creates some confusion?Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 02:55, July 15, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower
 * The writer was fixing that kind of error to prevent Hadou Judai from losing the duel - till his final duel as being tyrant. Just read the note for further reasons. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  04:05, July 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it' explained well enough in the note. You could put the contents of the note in an error section and link to that from the Featured Duel if you want. I don't think it matters where it is as long as its there. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:13, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Crystal Counter
It was mentioned in episode 148 page that Crystal Counter can't put five Crystal Beasts in the Spell & Trap Zone if it is the only Spell/Trap you have out because this card hadn't fully resolved yet, but the Yubel-possessed Jesse was able to do that in episode 148(this would be impossible unless "Crystal Counter" is destroyed by a card such as "Mystical Space Typhoon" when it is activated). I think this was due to rulings that apply only to the anime. Perhaps Spells and Traps in the anime that are not Equips Cards or Continuous Cards are sent to the Graveyard immediately after their effects activate and after the costs have been met. If so, that would make more sense on how this process could be done.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:01, July 16, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Eh, I'm not sure I buy that. The hologram card usually stays face-up until the effect resolves. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:06, July 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well according to the duel featured, the Yubel-possessed Jesse placed five Crystal Beasts in his Spell & Trap Card Zone via "Crystal Counter". A note in the notes section claims only four Crystal Beasts could have been placed there when this occurs as "Crystal Counter" was still face-up and didn't fully resolve yet at the timingCardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:25, July 16, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower

Episode 157 page
Were there actually two "Rigorous Reavers" in that shot or no because I can make out one, but another card that should be "Rigorous Reaver" is hard to tell.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 01:53, July 17, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Check the second picture on talk page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:48, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Two questions
So, got two things to ask, but well, I'm gonna ask both in the same section, whatever.
 * First, a question just moved by curiosity. Do you have any acknowledge about Japanese? 'Cuz I noticed you were also editing things about ZEXAL 64 when it was just released, including adding articles for the cards with the Japanese names in.


 * Second, well, it's not exactly a question. I don't know, I think I'm needing some general help in the manga. Like, not finding information or translating, but putting everything here. :P I have some free time to get info, translate, and add here overall, but not enough to, for example, add it in every character's biography, and in other pages. I also was never much confident about my summaries... So I wonder if there is anyone who can help me, like, just reviewing the texts, taking the information I add in the chapters' articles and add them in the characters' biographies as well, things like that. There's also, for example, the D1GP page, which has its history incomplete, but everything is on the chapters' articles, one just would need to look there and add here. I recently completed the summaries of Ranks 8, 9, 10 and 11, but didn't update anything in the characters' pages, except for a small thing in Mr. Heartland's and in the Theme Park's; but there are some important additional information on those, specially Astral, who had much of his personality revealed in Rank 9 and 11. Also, before them, as I never had much time, I used to just copy from the chapters' articles and paste in the characters' biographies, but I don't think it gets good like that, so... :P Oh, this became a big paragraph xD. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:51, July 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I create the anime card articles each week based on the list NeoArkadia posts in the episode topics at Neo Ark Cradle (assuming someone else doesn't beat me too it, of course). I have what I would call cursory knowledge of phonetic Japanese, mostly just from editing here. I cannot tell one Japanese character from the next though. Any translation corrections I do are either from a translator (either Ark or Ryusui) or from Google translate (not directly, of course. But it usually spits out something passable that I can then change to be worded better and it lets me detect effects that we have documented that are just plain wrong).


 * I can look some of that stuff over at one point or another. I really do need to catch up on the mangas, so when I do, I can go through and add some more things. If you need more help, I believe that TheScarecrow14 follows the manga, he occasionally posts in those topics at Neo Ark Cradle (he's Gimmick there). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:59, July 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. A small tip to you, which I noticed you mistook in the last cards, about phonetic. When there is a double vowel, like, for example, カー, which is Kaa (the ー in kana always doubles the previous vowel, but be careful not to mistake it with a normal -), you should write Kā instead; same goes for "ou", which you write ō. I don't remember well if there are any exceptions, but even if there are, for like 90% of the cases, you do like that.


 * Wait, Gimmick is Scarecrow? o.O I had no idea! I really find him often at NAC. Yeah, I guess I'm gonna talk to him as well. By the way, if you wanna catch up on the manga, for ZEXAL, besides Ranks 2, 3, 4 and 6, everything is already completely complete 8D. *proud* The most important things about Ranks 2, 3 and 4 I wrote down there, and for Rank 6, the only important thing besides the Duel is Tokunosuke's past, which I added in his article (manga section) with Spectertv's help. If you would like to catch up reading the articles, you could also review them at the same time. ;D Although if you rather read the chapters, at NAC currently Ranks 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 are not available in English. :P LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 02:21, July 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know that. The thing is, I don't actually know how to type those characters. When I add the romaji, I copy those characters from other card articles that have them already, if I can think of one off the top of my head that would have that.
 * I just realized it the other day. He happened to mention editing the wiki in one of the ZEXAL threads and I checked the history of that wiki article and found Scarecrow's name. I asked him, he confirmed it. And ok, that helps quite a bit. It's good to know what I should focus on. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:31, July 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see. If you take it from other card articles, then you could bookmark one which have each case to make it easier, and so that you don't need to remember them. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 02:48, July 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * You use Monobook, right, Cheesedude? There's a box underneath the Save/Preview/Show changes buttons that contains a bunch of links; clicking one of these inserts the appropriate text at the cursor's location in the edit box. Among these are various Unicode characters, including the appropriate vowels with macrons.
 * On the Wikia skin, this box can be accessed by clicking the "more +" button in the toolbar; it otherwise works identically to Monobook. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:48, July 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * *headdesk* I've noticed that box before. I have never taken a close enough look at it to notice that those characters were there. My lack of observational skills knows no bounds. Thanks (and yes, I use Monobook). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:06, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

New Number
Alright - thank you for the confirming, however the episodes he was introducing in seemed little off in the grammar part. Also of that user who created the article also trolled with "Blissfulness" summary in the other article. Comment here to respond me back. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:01, July 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Eh, the grammar in the previews isn't always wonderful. It's not always consistent who translates them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:06, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh right - those "translators" suck balls quite bad. And you should at least respect your desk, I am sure it's slowly bending down each time you headbutt it. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:36, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Its not necessarily their fault. There are several people who sometimes translate previews at NAC, and at least two of them have English as their second language. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:39, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * So I am now monkey instead of being puss, oh get out of the icebox already. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:40, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Unknown card in flashback in 5d's episode 002
On the table in the flashback there were two monsters on the table. One was "Junk Warrior" and the other was monster I could not identify. Can you please help me identify that monster. All I know about this monster is that it appears to be an Effect Monster.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 23:28, July 19, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * When in the episode was this flashback? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:40, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * It was right after the scene showing Yusei and his friends watching a Turbo Duel from Yusei's Duel Runner. It is shown on a table that had two Duel Disks and a bunch of cards. I was able to identify the white card as "Junk Warrior"Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 23:58, July 19, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * It's very blurry. What little I can make out looks like "Chiron the Mage" to me. But that would be odd, since Yusei never played that. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:07, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I rewatched the episode a bit (in both versions). The dub version showed "Montage Dragon" and the original version showed what looks vaguely like the anime version of "Montage Dragon". I could be wrong, but that is as accurate as I can be right now. I think the 5D's Decklists need to be updated since not all of them show all known featured cards in their Decklists.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 00:59, July 20, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Yeah, no one has gotten around to finishing the Featured cards for 5D's. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:02, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

About two monsters
Neither "Chainsaw Insect" and "Doom Dozer" appear to have their TCG/OCG effects somewhat in the anime. "Junk Warrior" destroyed "Chainsaw Insect" in battle, but the latter's effect didn't activate. The effect of "Doom Dozer" didn't activate after it attacked Yusei directly(which probably might have changed the whole outcome of the Duel). The effect of "Chainsaw Insect" would not matter with the outcome of the Duel.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 01:34, July 20, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower


 * Yeah, I think adding animelores to those articles is fine. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:15, July 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am against the part of "Chainsaw Insect" - it was not successful both of the times it was "attacking" - Attack has been negating at first time it tried to hit "Shield Warrior", thanks to Yusei's trap card. The second time it got attacked was at the end of the duel, which in the result of Yusei's opponent's loss - which won't happening. "Doom Dozer" can going and adding but I am not agreeing with "Chainsaw Insect" part. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:18, July 20, 2012 (UTC)