Talk:Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia/Archive 3

Main Page size redux
Hullo there! You obviously know the MP is long, but still ... woah. That's long :) Perhaps it could be split into portals for the different topics? You have such an amazing amount of content on this wiki, and I worry that newbies might be turned off by having to scroll so much. You may be interested in stealing some code from the Wikia Starter wiki which is the current new wiki base design, but I realise that may not be up to the job of everything you cover. In any case, keep up the great work! Kirkburn (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I definitely like the idea of a "Portal" system, but I'd like someone who is experienced in such matters to design one for us.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 21:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Does a german version of this wiki exist?


 * Did someone shorten it? If they did, and my eyes aren't deceiving me, it's much better now :) Also, I just increased the protection of the Main Page to prevent IPs editing it, since a lot of vandalism seemed to be coming from them. Kirkburn (talk) 19:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

april fools day plans
i recomend that for april fools day we lock the main page and save a copy of some of the longest/most important pages81.108.233.59 15:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha nice. Dmaster (Contribs • Count) 21:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * keh, i'll admit, kudos to whoever 'found' that dark magician girl pic. Heartless Nocturne 11:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh-heh. Thanks. -- Deltaneos 12:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Where can I find this?
According to the Kazuki Takahashi page, the "nu" hankerchief appears in the Egypt are. Which Chapter and page can I find this?

5 dragons
We need an article (under legendary dragons, egyptian gods, sacred beasts, etc.) about the 5 dragons in yugioh 5d's, as soon as it airs on april 4. 75.37.148.224 21:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions for changes
Im no programmer but this wiki needs some policy and changes to it, heres some suggestions:

1)Stop and do not delete talk page entries, dont even matter how bad it is. Create pages as archives to move old talks there

2)There's no page to discuss changes.

3)Stop protecting pages from being edit. Create a history folder, anytime a page (other than a talk page) has been maliciously edited, go to back as it was, I mean access the history folder, go to the last time the page was edited before it was maliciously edited and revert back to that state.

4)Enforce sanctions instead of deleting talk pages anytime a rule is broking. Example, ban I.P. or user for a certain amount of time.

5)There's no page to group cards that fall in a certain category, for example, Destroy monster card page, destroy spell/trap card page, remove from play page, gemini monsters page, etc.

Maybe there's more suggestions for changes, for now I know this ones. Don't know if some suggestion are already in the wiki, either way, thanks for reading.--CyberDarkEdge 19:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You do realize half this stuff has been talked about before right? Dmaster (Contribs • Count) 19:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, here's my response:
 * 1. The less Useless pages, the less our current database size is.
 * 2. People can debate changes on Talk Pages, we don't delete that.
 * 3. This is the easiest way to do it, and it's why we have the protect feature in the first place.
 * 4. We do that for more serious offenses; IPs we ban, registered users we warn three times, then ban.
 * 5. As I have stated previously, we have plans for that, but it will take a while to implement it. Be patient.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 19:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I contacted TwoTailedFox with the e-mail of lembem59 and showed him something i am working on and it is close to the group page suggested.

Storyline Confusion of Yu-Gi-Oh!, Yu-Gi-Oh!:Duelist/Duel Monsters, and Yu-Gi-Oh!:Millennium World.
Why did Mr. Kazuki Takahashi create two interpretations of the Yu-Gi-Oh! mainstream franchise? Ex: Yugi completes Millennium Puzzle at home in the book, but in the anime of season 0 (Yu-Gi-Oh!), Yugi completes it on scholl grounds? WTF?! 207.74.196.20 15:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Anime-based mangas tend to rewrite setions. Hypothetically Yu-Gi-Oh! has three parallel universes, the manga, Toei's anime series and NAS' anime series. They have the same characters and basic storyine, but not all events from one series are said to have happened in the others. The manga univese is the original one intended by Kazuki Takahashi. The first series was edited and had sections added, removed and changed for how Toei considered it should be presented on TV. After NAS started producing the anime they also changed things to how they thought it would be better presented and added extra (filler) storylines. The English language anime, by 4Kids is based on the Japanese anime by NAS, and is close to it in overall storyline. -- Deltaneos 16:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikia Gaming IRC channel
Hullo! I am Kirkburn, your friendly local Wikia Gaming Helper!

You may be interested to know there is a Wikia gaming IRC channel, #wikia-gaming on chat.freenode.net, where you can hop on, ask for help from users of other gaming wikis, or offer your own experiences. If you are not familiar with IRC clients, you can access it from http://irc.wikia.com/gaming.

Different people may be on sporadically, but we organize weekly chats at a fixed time so we can get the most number of people online at the same time to ask and answer questions, or just to hang out. The admins of some of Wikia's biggest gaming wikis (e.g. WoW, Halo) often attend them. You can find the time for the next chat by following this link.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me! Kirkburn (talk) 11:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

WHAT HAPPENED TO YU-GI-OH! WIKIA?!
Whaouh, I was opening this website clamly, when it appeared, I first thought I opened the wrong website. Is it REALLY yugioh.wikia.com ?! Crystal Beast 10:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the default skin has been changed. It's been getting that reaction at lot. Do you like it though? -- Deltaneos 10:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 90.192.58.231 13:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC) says it's, quite frankly, a poorly set out skin. I much preferred the old one.
 * Agreed. I never much liked that layout, it seems rather sloppy. Could it be changed back? Rodtheanimegod4ever 13:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Second that agreement KazilDarkeye 13:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * For users with an account, you can go to Special:Preferences and untick the box next to See custom wiki skins. -- Deltaneos 13:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The Monaco Skin is actually a -lot- more functional than the Monobook Skin, and it matches our colour scheme a lot better than just plain white.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 13:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Pretty much agree with Fox. It's visually better and more suited to viewers who are here to read rather than edit. Changing skins for registered users isn't a problem, so there is no real reason to revert to monobook. -- Deltaneos 13:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It is pretty cool, I like to set those skins at times, but it takes hours to load the site, which makes much harder the navigation. --Dragon Slayer (Contribs • Count) 03:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Optimizing the usage of DPL
Hi folks, I'm PanSola, a Wikia Helper. I am dropping by to chat about DPL (Dynamic Page List) usage practices. This site is among one of the most popular Wikia wikis that use a large number of DPL calls, and as DPL queries can sometimes pose quit a load on the servers, being careful with the usage of DPL can help improve the general user experience at Wikia.

One of the most simple ways to reduce the demand of DPL on the servers is to enable caching of the results. The more often a page with DPL calls get viewed, the greater the effect caching has. And so on a popular wiki such as this one, enabling caching is likely to help reduce the server load quite a bit.

Unfortunately there is a downside: caching means the results won't immediately update when information on the wiki changes. Sometimes the information can be out of sync by several hours. If you are worried about technical accuracy, you can place a note warning the visitors "new changes may not be updated immediately". For mission-critical usages of DPL that are time-sensitive such that any delay is unacceptable, enabling caching wouldn't be a good idea.

I'll drop by again later with more tips on how to improve server performance via optimizing DPL usage. If you have any questions, concerns, or think it's a good idea but need help implementing the change, feel free to discuss here. If you need a fast response from me, please ping me on my talk page (but still keep the main discussion here, so everything is in one place). Thanks. (you can also check out more tips here). -User:PanSola(talk/history) 21:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi all, just dropping by to bump the conversation a bit, and making sure you guys are ok with me dropping suggestions here (-: -User:PanSola(talk/history) 18:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The changes to DPL should have a minimal on this Wikia, as far as I know, the only DPL queries we have are used for testing, thus caching wouldn't do very much anyway. As long as the data is updated within 24 hours, it'll be ok. As for any other users, "Speak up now or forever hold your peace".--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 21:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * For reference, here is a list of pages using DPL, compiled not too long ago (not sure if it is up-to-date):
 * :Featured_Card/Archive
 * :Featured_Card
 * :Archetype
 * :Dantman/CardTableUse
 * :Dantman/Prefix_Search
 * :Dantman/A&M_Missing_Search/query
 * :Infobox/Animanga
 * :Infobox
 * :Infobox/Character
 * :TagSynced
 * :ArchiveList
 * :Infobox/Episode
 * :IBox
 * :Transclude_section
 * :IBox/Mutation
 * :IBox/Mutation/Split-and-Merge
 * :Infobox/Chapter
 * I guess for the templates that are synced by Dantman's bot, I'd need to talk to Dantman about removing them (otherwise they'd just get "reverted" by the bot anyways).
 * On a different note, I would advocate the usage of /doc sub-pages for template documentation, and transclude the documentation inside NOINCLUDE tags. The main advantage is a clear separation of editing templates vs editing the documentation (when looking at RC or watchlist, as some ppl don't use sectional edits).  This general practice also means it is possible to protect a high-impact template while still letting the documentation be editable by the common people.
 * Anyways, if you have any questions/comments, feel free to give me a ping! -User:PanSola(talk/history) 23:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh? Infoboxes with DPL....... Oh, right... The DPL there is merely used for listing the Infobox subpages (ie: Listing the /Animanga, /Character, etc... On, and the sub boxes on the master Infobox/* pages. Those are all inside of noincludes and shouldn't be having any effect. However if you want, you can hop over to the Animepedia and edit the templates there to include the caching parameter. Next time I sync templates will be when the Negima! Wiki joins Wikia ACG... Well in the technical sense, I got the ok from the founder, I just need to talk to sannse about a few flags and config tweaks.
 * As for the ones in my Userspace, those are just lists for various purposes like tracking the use of pages incorrectly using CardTable instead of CardTable2, etc... No-one views them so the servers aren't being hit by them. Oh, though you can add caching to the ArchiveList over at Animepedia.
 * And lastly, for the use of /doc subpages. That's on my ToDo list, basically a redesign of my shared template pages. I'll be making a few templates for use of the /doc system and making that global along with some CSS.
 * ^_^ All my modern stuff uses SMW in place of DPL. DPL is only used for what it is named for, page lists... ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Jul 2, 2008 @ 17:03 (UTC)

News Centre
Is the News Centre section protected? I don't know how to edit that page. It needs to be updated. Dark Pride 11:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You can edit the news center here. Also, if you remove old news from it, put it here. -- Deltaneos 11:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Idea!
I think that it would be a really useful addition to card articles if there was a section on good strategies against the card. It could be a similar type of page to the tips and trivia pages, with a link from the actual card article. It could be called 'Tactics' or something similar. I know this could mean a bit of work, but all that would need doing would be creating the page/link, and other users could sort out the actual stuff. Well, thanks for reading my suggestion, and I hope it's useful in some way. Clockwork-Artichoke 15:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * well, I think those startegies are on the cards that are used against the other cards tips page (Tactis=tips page of opposing cards). Dmaster (Contribs • Count) 21:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

How to edit the "Appearences" table
How do I edit the table that shows what anime, games, ect that a card appears in. I looked it edit and can't find it. HammerMuffin 05:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

The show/hide features on the card template
In my opinion, hiding the card information in the template is more cumbersome than helpful. Generally people won't read the card image's text first. The text on several cards have been fixed and haven't had an updated version, as an example. I don't think the show/hide features on the template are clever enough to be added, as the card template doesn't seem to have excess information that needs to be hidden unless the viewer wants to read it. --74.194.118.203 03:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Issues with the abbreviation MST
The information in an encyclopedia isn't meant to be given in a casual form. MST is a casual abbreviation for Mystical Space Typhoon that has never been officially embraced as even a de facto term. MST should only be noted in the Trivia section, and shouldn't be used to explain card combos and so forth. I stress once more, it is just too casual to use such an abbreviation. Things like OTK is kind of ignorable, because it isn't in any way connected to an official name or term, as Mystical Space Typhoon is. Can anyone help me clean up MST? --74.194.118.203 12:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Looks like it was only used in twice in the Mainspace and main namespaces. No major issue. -- Deltaneos 14:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Any idea of what is that ?
http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/re/retro-yu-gi-oh!-gift-pack-tin-and-boosters.jpg Yamimillenium 14:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Idea : ...
A page with a list of cards and packs that have the same name... Yamimillenium 14:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey TwoTailedFox
Can you get rid of that little text that appears in the search bar, "Search Yu-Gi-Oh!..."? It didn't always use to be there and now its main purpose is just to stall me for a few seconds every time I need to search something out. I mean, this is a wiki, it's pretty obvious you can search for things with the little bar on the left.
 * Can't be done, at least, not until they make it customizable in later MediaWiki/Monaco revisions.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 11:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Catagorize by type?
When I first came to this site, there was this feature where all the monsters were catagorized by type. I thought that was really neat. However, the next day I found that someone just went and deleted those catagory pages! If someone would be willing to re-catagorize monsters by type, I would be eternally gratified.70.18.226.100 18:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

About translating
In the main page it says you are looking for finnish card names. I live in Finland, we use english TCG cards here, and english names in anime/manga. Do we just translate what the names mean? I could do that if I had the strength to edit 1000 different pages... Peitenimi 09:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, if no official Finnish names exist, we can only add translations. Can I ask a question first? Do you think people would benefit from this site including them? -- Deltaneos (talk) 09:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Flag of Singapore?
Why does the Anime Name category of the card table have the flag of Singapore? -- Melik el-Al&#39;ab 15:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ...because Yu-Gi-Oh! airs in Singapore... Dmaster (Contribs • Count) 13:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't mean why the flag is there. I mean, every category of card's names has a flag. The English name has the flag of the United Kingdom, and the Japanese name has the flag of Japan, and the French name has the flag of France, etc. But one category is called "Anime" and it has the flag of Singapore. I'm asking why the Anime name is associated with Singapore. Check out Chorus of Sanctuary for example. -- Melik el-Al&#39;ab 07:26, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There is an Official Singaporean English anime, using different voice actors that 4kid, and using the original Japanese artwork. They occasionally refer to cards by different names, so we document that.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 11:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Aha! Now I see. Thank you for clearing that up! Though I think that it should somehow be made more clear so no one would get as confused as I got. Especially since I don't follow the English Anime, so I didn't know which anime "Anime" was referring to. -- Melik el-Al&#39;ab 16:14, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Turkish Names Not Appearing
I've noticed that several cards have Turkish names listed in the coding, but do not actually appear on the page itself! Dark Magician, for example, has "Kara Büyücü" as his Turkish name in the page code, but it doesn't appear on the page. Is this an error? -- Melik el-Al&#39;ab 11:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparantly, the same goes for the Bulgarian, Czech, Danish, Latvian, Polish, and Romanian names. -- Melik el-Al&#39;ab 11:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a re-toling of how we look at names. We only use the most popular names on the table itself, else we start to get Name Bloat - We now includes ones like Turkish at the bottom, where you'll find ones like Irish as well every other name, regardless of inclusion on the table.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 11:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds reasonable. Thanks! -- Melik el-Al&#39;ab 11:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have one question about Polish names : Who write this names ? I think that person put the EN names to google translator and think that's good. The names are terrible and at least funny. Now is the question to the person who write the names : Do you really think you can Polish ? -- Draco91 14:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Approximated Tag
The tags that say "The so-and-so name given is an approximation" are becoming problematic. Some time ago, they used to be perfectly fine. But now, they go unnoticed with the addition of two more tables (one above (the appearances table) and one or two below (the archetype and Facts tables) which makes the tag crammed in the middle. I've got users adding Arabic names to cards without placing the "Approximated" tag because they don't even know it exists. I believe the tag should be placed somewhere clearer or another way of identifying approximated names should be devised. -- Melik el-Al&#39;ab 09:17, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a bug with old browsers, newer browsers like Firefox 3.0 render it correctly, below the Status Box.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 13:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying it's not there, I just think it should be placed somewhere clear instead of all the way below the Status Box. (I'm using Firefox 3.0 btw) -- Melik el-Al&#39;ab 09:19, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think right at the top would be better?--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 13:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe that would be better. I can't think of anything else, though. -- Melik el-Al&#39;ab 20:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

German Wiki
The German Wiki have following link: http://yugioh.amg.li

Please change. --84.62.146.22 13:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

man eater bug
if i destroy man eater bug wile it face down with a monster card effect like van'dalgyon the dark dragon lord dos it's effect still activate?
 * No, and next time please ask your questions on the forums. Dmaster (Contribs • Count) 03:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Archive this
Can we archive this whole discussion page & start fresh, it's getting too long. MaroonKangaroo 10:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC) was it flipped up?

Power of Kaishin
Is is my imagination, or does the card image for Power of Kaishin look like a fake. Can someone check this out Correct Spelling King 11:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Tips for beginners?
Before, tips were usually added if they were unique and used competitive thinking. However, this new thing seems to be going around where searching tips, and things to that effect are added for beginners. It has gone way too far, as the searching tips are given to cards that would make no sense to put in your hand by default. Elemental Hero Poison Rose is an example. You could put her into your hand with cards such as E - Emergency Call and Elemental Hero Stratos, but she can usually only be played by using Rose Bud, anyway. This is just one of the ways these "beginner tips" are becoming nonsense and going out of hand.

I probably shouldn't end this without suggesting something for beginners. If beginners need anything, it is card rulings. Everyone knows beginners are likely to trip up if they don't have a good sense of the game's card effect mechanics. This is why, if anything should be done for beginners, it should involve the rulings pages. Don't you agree?--74.194.118.203 03:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You bring up a good point, but some beginners need the search tips because they may not know about search-effect cards. Bluedog187 04:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Even that explanation only makes a little bit of sense when you are suggesting to add nonsense cards to your hand, though. --74.194.118.203 00:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Divine Neos
For some reason, I can't edit Elemental Hero God Neos. I want to change his name to "Elemental Hero Divine Neos" because that's the name he will have when he's released in Crossroads of Chaos. Gemini69 04:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He's card 98, meaning he was added for the TCG release. - Vyse24 04:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Even so, someone will have to change his name sometime. I want to know why I can't do that RIGHT NOW. Gemini69 04:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The page was protected, so only admins can edit it. - Vyse24 04:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It got protected because people kept adding the wrong effects to the card, so to prevent that, it got protected. Bluedog 04:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Featured Card Lore Problem

 * There appears to be a problem with the "Card Lore" section of the Featured Card (Stardust Dragon), and I don't know how to change it. Can somebody please change it? Also, how did it get like that in the First Place? Was someone not paying attention, or was it vandalism? KazilDarkeye 13:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't find the old ones at all. Are we not doing the Featured Card anymore? XD Master 01:26, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

featured card
stardust dragon been there fo ages i think we should replace it with The Trikey or something like that. P.s how do you become an admin. Catface 07:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * By not asking. >_> -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
The user 81.132.54.107 edited my user page to make it say that I like ham (which i do but that's not the point) and that one of my least favorite cards is your mom (i hate that card). In fact, if you look at his contributions, editing my page is all he's done. Gemini69 14:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, someone really has to quit changing peoples' pages. People are still changing my page. Now they're saying i hate CED, but that's my favorite card. Also, they put that thing about ham up there again. It's always people that don't have accounts. These losers should be kept away from the wiki. srsly. Gemini69 09:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It's probably person who hates you and know you well. And it's a SERIOUS problem! bcz they don't have an acc, they can do it for a long time. I hope the moderators will help you somehow... Maybe the police, but I don't think they do those kinds of things. Diehard Guy 11:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I have a theory about who it might be. If he looked at my deck and my brother's deck, then he would definitely know that it's me on the wiki because I'm the only guy he knows with a gemini deck and a brother with harpie/monarch. If I'm correct, then I'll get him to stop soon. Gemini69 12:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Exscuse my intrusion, but I agree. For some reason, vandalism is becomeing more and more popular. It may seem extreme, but I think if we made it so only people with accounts can edit the site, vandalism wouldn't be a problem and we'd get more members. Tell me what you think. --DARK 19:51, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Talk pages
If anyone notices that the talk page of any wiki isn't a redlink, please check it (especially if it is a wiki on a card). Talk pages are likely to have trivia questions to answer and trivia answers to learn from.--Dragonking 00:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Update
Does this site ever get updated, the same featured card, packs that came out months ago are still said to be unreleased.


 * Take a look at the recent changes. Also, the news center on the main page is quite up to date. I don't know why you're complaining. Bluedog 02:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

#1 deck
what is the #1 best yugioh deck to use


 * Supposedly, the current best is tele-DAD. Gemini69 01:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Damage Calculation?
Me and my friend got in an arguement about it, and the damage calculation page seemed to be on his side...

When a Card says "During Damage Calculation only" does the destruction of the monster continue?I made an Alien Deck, and I placed the field Spell "Otherworld- the "A" Zone", I attacked my friend' Izanami that was in Defense mode (1800)with "Alien Skull" (1600) according to A-zone, my friends Izanami would have a DEF of 1500, killing it. however he stated that that "During Damage Calculation only" meant only damage was changed, so Izanami would not be destroyed, but I wouldn't take the 200 LP damage I usually would. I think he is wrong though

could someone clear up the meaning? cuz otherwise I can't use Alien's against him because the whole point of "A" counters is to weaken your opponent's monsters enough to be able to destroy them among other things. And according to him, this site's meaning is on his side of it. Thanks! email: drew.crimsongeneral@gmail.com

70.44.109.145 17:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * "During Damage Calculation only" is the point when players take damage and monsters get destroyed. Izanami would be destroyed in your example. The reason it specifies "Damage Calculation only" is to point out that the reduction isn't permanent. Gemini69 06:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

k loko
ustedes que opinan de las barrajas removedoras o de removicion a si tienen ideas para completar una les pido ayuda


 * Que? Ingles, por favor.