Forum:Discussing Rescue Cat and its place

Hello, the following paragraphs are discussions of how I think Rescue Cat will go forbidden (and Drew-Gi-Oh!), and how Beformet thinks it'll stay Limited. Originally, this discussion came from the Forum:Sept. 2010 banlist, very near!!! page in the Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Ruling Queries Forum Page, but I thought I should show others the discussion so I could get other opinions on the situation.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 02:57, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Rescue Cat? Really?
Even if it is prominate in X-sabers because of Darksoul, that doesn't really matter, no darksoul in the OCG = no extremely broken Rescue cat, theres really no combos for rescue cat in the OCG except bringing out 2 Airbellums in X-sabers or making a deck that uses low level beast monsters, so it most likely not end up on the list since without Darksoul no one in the OCG cares much about rescue cat.--Berfomet (talk • contribs) 03:37, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Rescue Cat, really. A lot of people think he'll be on the Forbidden list, it's not like I call 'em like I see 'em.--Yugioh DED (talk • contribs)

Obviously, Berformet, you've never played againt Gladiator Beasts, Ojamas, or an X-saber Deck without Darksoul. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 06:03, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ahem I use Gladiators as a matter of fact and ojamas aren't so great anyways, and X-Saber decks are nothing in the OCG and since they make the list they decide what's one it, no darksoul = no broken rescue cat = Not on the list. Plus rescue cat is basically the reason TU03 sells, so banning it would bone their sales and judging from the tins, they're not try to make you not want to buy their stuff.--Berfomet (talk • contribs) 06:20, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, there's just one problem, this is TCG. Not to mention that JUST BECAUSE there's no Darksoul in OCG doesn't mean it's not "extremely broken". If you run Glads, then you should know that it sets up major combos/field advantage. Ojamas are VERY good actually, especially with the release of Stranger's Compensation. It's not ALL about Darksoul you know, Darksoul just adds to more reason it should get banned. Plus, about TU03; if someone NEEDS Rescue Cat, they'll get the one from FET, which goes for about $3 (including shipping), but if somebody wants to SHOW OFF that they have Rescue Cat, they'll get the one from TU03. PLUS with the new Beast-Type monsters coming out, Rescue Cat can easily get out two monsters needed to Sync out for one of the Unicorn Synchros.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 06:51, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

It is all about darksoul actually, since Other than darksoul rescue cat has no new tricks, he always made gbs better, ojamas have never done anything, ever even with the new support and they always had common charity, and he could always make synchros, many better than the unicorn cards, and all that ever did was drop him to limited, also the point of TU03 was basically so you could show off that you have a shiney version of something. if it wasn't for darksoul no one would really care much about rescue cat, hes always been there and when he got limited he was really cut down, until darksoul, rescue cat was just a fact, but when darksoul came out, people decided he was broken, because darksoul is what finally made him broken at one, sure he's always been good, but hes only "broken" in x-saber decks, other than x-sabers rescue cat can only provide a slight field advantage for 2-3 turns.--Berfomet (talk • contribs) 08:29, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yes but you're not getting the point. He gives you major field advantage just like that. And you forgot about the Airbellums. And the Synchro Cat. Not to mention the GBs, the Ojamas, the Beast monsters, OTHER X-Sabers, and Flamvell Cat. And you just proved my point; "and he could always make synchros, many better than the unicorn cards...". And Rescue Cat doesn't just provide field advantage for 2-3 turns. He scars the duel, since the Synchro monster takes care of the opponent's field advantage in one turn. Ojamas CAN be good, REALLY good in anti-meta/lockdown. There was a guy at Regionals owning with Ojamas. Call out 2 with Rescue Cat and bamf, Polymerization for Ojama Knight, then Ojama Trio FTW.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 05:33, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Now I know you have a beef with glads (and i imagine therfore you have a beef with the kitty) but I get the point rescue cat is broken, in x-sabers, other than that he really can only give a 2-3 turn boost. Lets get hypothetical with this; Rescue cat summons a level 6 synchro (you pick) now the strongest one he can bring out is, Goyo most likely, now maybe he steals a monster, but so many cards can solve that, lightning vortex, raiza, ciaus, mirror force, a higher attack synchro, easy as cake, next glads whats he do 3200 damage and summon herk? even I gotta say, herk is easy to run over a brionac, a ciaus, a raiza, a divine wrath, a war chariot, a kalut on a sirroco, and even a simple mist wurm (very simple in many decks nowadays) you gotta face the facts even thoguh rescue cat is wrecked, they ways to stop him are as simple as one, two, three, so it won't get banned--Berfomet (talk • contribs) 09:21, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I know, but think about this: EVERY card can be stopped. Person 1:"Oh, Raigeki came off the list? (Next Locals) I activate Raigeki! Person 2: Magic Jammer. Person 1: DOUBLE YOU TEE EFF." So what I mean is every forbidden card can be stopped, but they still are forbidden for a reason. Pretty much the same with Rescue Cat. And I don't have a beef against Glads. I used to. Hell, I started a whole page about how I didn't like them. Rescue Cat is just crazy!---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 09:31, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Rescue cat is far from crazy, rageki, is crazy because no matter what the deck, its a game breaker rescue cat is a game breaker in how many decks? 1 x-sabers and maybe a push in 3-4 other decks he offers very little punch compared to most banned cards (such as dsf or rageki) and so because hes only "crazy" or "broken" in 1 deck that is practically invisible in the OCG he won't be banned.--Berfomet (talk • contribs) 01:01, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Current Discussions:
I don't think you quite understand. Rescue Cat IS the reason GBs, Ojamas, X-Sabers and other Beasts ever got to the finals. Sure. Gladiators have Bestiari, Heraklinos, and Gyzarus, Sabers have Faultroll, Palomuro (for Exodia OTKs), XX-Saber Gottoms, and even thought it's exclusive, Darksoul, and Ojamas have Hurricane, Knight and King, and the Country, but none of them would be where they are without Rescue Cat. He might as well be the reason that Dark Strike Fighter was banned, because he was used in a majority of Synchro Decks. You don't understand about X-Sabers either. If you have 2 XX-Saber Faultrolls and a Rescue Cat in your hand, you've basicly won, since your opponent will be handless and you get 2-4 Synchros. Gladiator Beasts have Test Tiger, which grants you a GB for almost nothing, sometimes even Heraklinos or Gyzarus. So overall, Rescue Cat NEEDS to be banned. Getting two monsters out for the price of one, additionally opening up OTKs or game-breaking combos isn't fun to find at every single tournamnet. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 03:15, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, THAT'S what I forgot to mention. It's a 1 for 2 card. Remember the LAST 1 for 2 card? Well look what happened to that.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 03:21, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

But just to point out, you get to keep the cards with Pot of Greed. Rescue Cat destroys them at the end of the turn (which admitedly doesn't mean much since you'll probably synchro with the summoned monsters anyways.) As for my opinion, I see why the two sides think they are right. But Berfomet has a point. Darksoul isn't out in OCG yet and that is a major factor in what got Rescue Cat limited in the first place. Not to mention, Berfomet is right in saying that Rescue Cat was always there before in decks like Ojamas, GB's, etc. and it wasn't touched during those periods. So I'm going to have to side with Berfomet. Rescue Cat won't get banned until the X-Sabers become a major power in the Ocg. Hpboy111 (talk • contribs) 11:03, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Rescue Cat is the least of everyone's problem and should stay right where it is, limited.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 03:46, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Besides it can be negated by Divine Wrath or Fiendish Chains. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 17:01, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Not on the first turn, it can't. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 17:49, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Rescue Cat can get banned even if it is abused only in the TCG. Remember the irregular Forbidding of "Dimension Fusion" in May 08? Even though "Dimension Fusion" wasn't being abused in the OCG, it was banned in the OCG because of its reckless abuse in the TCG for OTK decks. Despite the fact that Rescue Cat isn't as abused as Dimension Fusion was to incur an early Forbidding, it COULD be Forbidden in the next ban list (despite it only being popular in the TCG). I believe that it should be Forbidden, because the only reason players use Rescue Cat is to bring out Synchro Material Monsters for a Synchro Summon or bringing out 2 Darksouls. Then, with those X-Sabers on the field, the player who used the Cat can bring out Faultroll, pressing even MORE advantage. Remember that if a player used the Cat to bring out the Darksouls, during the End Phase that player gets 2 X-Sabers of his/her CHOICE from their Deck, making it better than Pot of Greed (Pot of Greed gives you 2 random cards). And if they used the Darksouls for a Synchro Summon, well, that player basically regains their loss of the Darksouls during the End Phase by replacing it with 2 X-Sabers in their hand. IT WILL BE BANNED. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 18:13, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Who thinks XX-Saber Darksoul and Gladiator Beast Samnite are the problem and should be limited/banned. I do, cuz the kitty isn't your enemy, they are.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 19:05, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Samn on his own isn't a problem, he's just another target for the Cat

Well said, UltimateKuriboh.

--Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 19:08, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, let's not change the subject. Discussing MORE card's places would just turn this another list discussion, and might as well be put on the Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Lists Discussion page. Meh, Darksoul isn't exactly better than Pot Of Greed. I mean, it's not like you can get a s/t with Darksoul. Although it's probably just as good, since it's your choice. Every time a deck rules touneys, they die. That's why I can see both the Rescue Cat and Darksoul go down. And like I said before Fallensilence, ANY card can be stopped, even forbidden cards. Saying that Rescue Cat can be Divine Wrath'd or Fiendish Chain'd is like saying Raigeki can be Magic Jammer'd or Solemn'd.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 19:43, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, as mentioned above, if an X-Saber deck is going first, you can't stop it. You entire hand will be gone because of the Faultroll loop, and you will be topdecking while your opponent has a bunch of Synchros out. nothing you can draw will help you. even if 4 different Lightsworns were discarded and you draw JD, they'll probably have Stardust out. if you draw lightning Vortex, you wouldn't have a card to discard, along with the Stardust Dragon stopping it anyways. Any monster you throw out there would be returned by Brionac. Rescue Cat is now broken beyond belief and shouldn't be forbidden, should be ILLEGAL. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 21:11, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

which is why Darksoul/airbellum/faultroll are broken, not rescue cat.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 21:44, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

They are not broken without the Cat. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 21:54, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * They are not broken without Faultroll.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 22:16, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

That's true. Can't get an easier X-Saber swarm than with Rescue Cat and Faultrolls.--Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 21:57, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Faultroll is the 2nd deadliest thing to have happened to X-Sabers. I kind of wish he was errata'd so his effect would be "You can only control 1 face-up "XX-Saber Faultroll."

--Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 22:30, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Or he can just stay limited. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 00:50, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I guess Faultroll being Nomi KINDA makes up for being able to control more than one. But more Rescue Cat limited or forbidden opinions please.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 02:31, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Summoning Conditions quickly unbalance the scale. As for the Cat, I've seen him used in Ancient Sacred Wyvern/White Magician Pikeru heal Decks, Arcana Force EX the Dark Ruler OTK Decks, and even Quickdraw Decks, simply because of how versatile he is. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 03:43, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wow. Yeah. It needs to get banned. Any more opinions on the matter?---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 04:35, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

this is how the ban list works if a deck type or a card its self is becoming too powerful to make the game unfair and boring (which makes konami lose alot of money btw) the ban list comes in and fixes the problems it dosent matter in which side of the game it can be OCG or TCG or both i mean why did blackwhirlwind get semi limited? cuz blackwings were too strong with it if no blackwings cards or any card that can help blackwings then everyone would be whinings and complaining about how DAD needs to be banned ect. point is x sabers are getting way too damn strong thanks to rescue cat so the ban list is most likely gonna ban rescue cat it dosent matter if its helping only one deck type people wont mind buying an x saber deck to be the best duelistRaiga (talk • contribs) 04:43, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lots of cards are versitile, the point is rescue cat helps the combos, but in truth he only makes 1 of the combos, the x-sabers now we can all agree x-sabers are very deadly, but taking out say faultroll, rescue cat is the money maker in TU03 and i get thats if you want to "show off" but really, who in yugioh doesn't want to have the shineyest best looking deck? maybe 25%? so its expected he'll stay at least limited until the next, next list to allow money to build, konami is a company so money is a focus, you have to think like a buisness, its all about the money. (now if anyone wants to pull that "well crush was banned after it came into TU01" crap remember it went down in price not up.)--Berfomet (talk • contribs) 04:52, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Ban Hamma' isn't there if a certain Deck is dominating too much, it's there if a Deck with a card[s] that are considerably game changing are dominating. They haven't banned/limited a number of cards that are good in tournaments, because they aren't necissarily broken. Rescue Cat is broken.

Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 04:53, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

It SAVES Gladiator Beasts. If you have NO cards in your hand, and draw Rescue Cat, bam. You got 2 monsters right there, and then "tag out" for Contact Fusion and bam. You've saved yourself for a few turns until you draw more cards for hand advantage.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 05:06, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

So much "Rescue Cat" hate here... I have a X-saber deck and I know how deadly this "demon in a cat's clothing" really is. But a recent card has emerged to counter this card's effect ("Large Trap Hole"). If you read between the lines you'll know that this is a hint that "Rescue Cat" won't be banned. Heck, why would KONAMI release such a counter card and ban the one it countered? I do feel the same flame about the OTK madness and issues about the GB's and X-Saber, now why would you flame this cat if the next ban list will weaken both archetypes by banning (or limiting) their core cards? If they ban this cat then some deck like OJAMA that really rely on this card will be severely crippled. Granted, GB and X-sabers will be damaged but it WONT stop them from being a top tier deck. Flame those cards what the cat drags in, not the cat itself. --SilentHero26 (talk • contribs) 06:06, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Large Trap Hole isn't enough. It allows Cat synchro decks can just use Pot of Avarice instantly.
 * Bottomless Trap Hole is still a better solution to most of Cat's Special Summoned monsters. (e.g Samnite, Airbellum)
 * Cat can 'save' GBs, but it also forces the GB user to run 2 Samnites. Something that isn't seen in non-cat GB builds. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:14, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

But there are other cards that fall into the card, and like I said before, saying Rescue Cat can be countered by cards like Large Trap Hole makes it sound like nothing, like I can just say Raigeki can be Magic Jammer'd, yet it's still forbidden for a reason.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 06:16, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'm honestly about to just freak out if someone says that Large Trap Hole is gonna stop cat in any way whatsoever. Rescue Cat ---> x2 XX-Saber Darksoul <---Large Trap Hole means you wasted a trap card. And it doesn't even remove them...so with X-sabers you can just use Gottoms Emergency Call...overall, Large Trap Hole = FAIL. Goblinpunch787

"Large trap hole" may help if you're going up against an x-saber deck and were fortunate enough to go first, but if you're stuck waiting for the loop of doom you can thank side-deckery for holding in your hand a "Gemeni Imps" to thwart such a fiendish saber assault. also, it's a great counter to a gravekeepers deck that utilizes "Royal Tribute". i looooove "Royal Tribute". I despiiiiiise "Rescue Cat".

Yeah, not to mention nobody runs it, not even in their Side Decks. Alright, thank you everybody for your opinions, and if anybody else still DOES have an opinion then they can comment too.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 18:21, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

yes, you're correct Mr. DED. it's a near certainty that nobody side decks it, let alone main, but if ever there was a time to consider it, it's in this particular era.. which was the point of my comment. thanks for your input and gooooo X-Saber!! ;)

Why is everyone mentioning cat synchro and gb and ojama as references for this cards power, we need to quit beating around the bush and get to the truth, everyone's pissed cause x-sabers are doing really, really good, no ojamas deck made top 32, 1 gb deck made top 32, i dunno about cat synchro, but how many x-saber decks made top 32 this year? like 10? and well its true rescue cat did help those x-saber decks along, faultroll is the money maker in the deck, if faultroll was at 1, x-saber decks would be hindered far more than if kitty was banned, if kitty's banned, x-sabers will just switch to saber sworns again and span gottoms e-call, and we end up with a different, yet the same loop, which i bet everyone will whine about as well, but if faultroll gets limited, no loop can be used, because you need at least 2 of him to pull off that ultimate loop of destruction, point is that its the actual sabers that are the problem not the kitty, he's just a catalyst.--Berfomet (talk • contribs) 19:13, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

One card gets out a Synchro. End of story.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 19:49, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, after much thinking, I'm starting to think that the Cat should stay at 1. Darksoul and Faultroll are what make X-Sabers ridiculous. Rescue Cat in Glads, I'm okay with. Ojamas NEED it. Synchro Cat..... well, I've never even seen one used. So, ban/limit the real problems. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 20:04, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Skullvarnish for seeing the light! anyone else? --Helix-king (talk • contribs) 20:41, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Cat never be banned
Cat is the motor of X-Sabers ... Konami put the cat in the Turbo Pack 3 and want's to make money, they can´t ban the cat In addition the X-Sabers can be stoped by Treacherous Trap Hole, Mirror Of Oaths and Large Trap Hole and don't Forgot Karma Cut.