Talk:Invoked

Not Based on Final Fantasy
The links between the Invoked archetype and Final Fantasy are tenuous at best. Especially where the article attempts to link monsters to specific final fantasy characters. It is dishonest to use phrasing here (and on the trivia pages for each monster) that outright say "The "Invoked" designs were mostly based on Final Fantasy Summons" or anything along those lines. The closest you have to a link is that Raidjin shares a name across both franchises, but to think that YGO is being inspired by FF in this case would be completely misunderstanding the actual origin of the word (Raijin being a god of lightning in japanese mythology).

The claim that 'The "Invoked" designs were mostly based on Final Fantasy Summons' is being presented as though it is true. If this fact actually has evidence then you should have no trouble producing a source. Adding the information back in with a "You must be new here"(condescending much)"Konami almost never officially confirms the inspirations of cards and themes" is admittance that the only evidence is the above-mentioned flimsy, tenuous links. Where there is a link, it is actually far more likely that both FF and YGO are referencing an inspiration common to them both, rather than YGO actually referencing FF specifically.

Furthermore, adding the information back in with a comment such as "Untrue based on what?" is frankly mind-boggling - is the suggestion that evidence is required to disprove unverified speculation? I'm asking "True based on what?" and if the answer is that nothing explicitly denies it, then that's not enough proof.

As an example: Norito the Moral Leader bears a striking resemblance to a certain character from Naruto. The name even sounds incredibly similar to the show. This is a far closer connection than any of the Invoked monsters. However that would obviously be forgetting the context - that both are based on the traditional appearance of a Shinto priest. We wouldn't put in the trivia section for that page "Possibly based on a character from Naruto" (well, actually, if this was an Invoked article right now, it would state "This card is definitely based on a character from Naruto" outright) with the reasoning being (a) Konami doesn't usually say but the REFERENCE IS THERE, and (b) you can't prove otherwise.

This is what's going on with Raidjin, and - quite frankly - none of the other monsters. FF certainly didn't come up with the idea of Leviathans, for the water fusion, for example (which of course, possibly being a dragon [hedge your bets, am I right?], must also have been inspired by Bahamut? And not just dragons in general, which Konami loves). The crazy lengths the reasoning goes to is probably best exemplified by Purgatrio supposedly being a genderbent version of the Magus Sisters - why is that? Because there's 3 of them? That would be because of the huge significance of the number 3 in the Divine Comedy, something Konami has shown they were well aware of when they designed and developed the other Purgatorio reference in their game - Burning Abyss.

Where does this stop? This is like going through the Noble Knights and adding to all the Artorigus monsters "Based on a genderbent Saber from Fate/Stay Night". Should we mention how the name for Fairy Tail possibly comes from the anime of the same name, and try drawing a tenuous link between each monster and a character from that show? Since Konami won't ever explicitly confirm or deny it for either, you're going to be hardpressed to produce an answer to "Untrue based on what?" if you disagreed and wanted to remove it. HP2004 (talk • contribs) 02:24, November 24, 2017 (UTC)