Talk:Number holder

Name
This term i.e. Kaito's nickname was introduced in episode 13 not episode 14. --Aged Goblin (talk • contribs) 01:29, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Jin
I removed him since the article says Numbers Hunters are immune to the Numbers. Jin is obviously not. --93.87.169.107 (talk) 18:20, August 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Jin was never Number Hunter, he's his own character, unlike Rare Hunter. So I am glad you get him out. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:55, August 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've just read the script for the latest episode. He claims being a NH working for Kaito. --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 01:40, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then why is he being possessing, if one mentioned to be immune to the Numbers' affection? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:54, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * The show never said that Numbers Hunters are immune to the effects of Numbers. It just so happens that the first two that we knew about were. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:04, August 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Jin will obviously lose and Yuma will take his Numbers, so, will he be removed, added to a new list called "Former Numbers Hunters" or just change his Numbers count to 0?


 * I think the count can stay and we can just make a new column that lists each Hunter as "active" or "inactive". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:43, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Or maybe Active/Defeated? Anyone who loses their Numbers won't want any more Numbers as seen with Shark. If the list says Inactive means that Hunter might try to hunt numbers again.


 * Shouldn't "Utopia Ray" be counted like Yuma's tenth Number? --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 19:43, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's pretty clearly not one of the 100 Numbers, since it has the same number as the regular Utopia. So I would say no. We also don't know that Yuma will continue to have access to it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:45, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then explain why the hell does Yuma holding a card that featured Alternate version of Utopia? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:59, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Astral seemed to create out from the ship-thing in the Emperor's Key. We don't know that Yuma gets to keep it. It could be similar to Majestic Dragon. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:10, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * But Yusei gets SAVIOR dragon when he needs it, so Astral will obviously give Yuma C39 whenever he needs it.


 * While "Utopia Ray" may be a "Number", I don't think that it will count towards the 100 "Number" card limit. This is because each "Number" is a memory of Astral.  He only created the "Chaos Number" because of his strong feelings of friendship (and no new memories were gained). However, this is still uncertain, until we see the next time that Astral goes and visits the Emperor's Key to unlock new memories. Plus, now with the existence of a "Chaos Number", we must not rule out the possibility of other "Chaos Numbers".


 * I also believe that Jin should count as a Number Hunter, since he said "I will hunt for your Numbers." As far as I can tell, no other "Numbers" holder has said that, except for Kaito (who declared himself as a Numbers Hunter). --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 23:40, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Exactly. Yeah, I'm sure he'll use it again. But it's not an actual "Number", since there is no connected memory or anything like that. It's just an alternate form of Hope. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:49, August 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * So if Astral keep up with "Chaos" Number, then I would be sure there will be 200 "Numbers" instead. First hundred is for Original "Number" while second is for "Chaos". -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:54, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt they will be more Chaos Numbers. Utopia was made to Chaos as a upgrade version to him which is common for the protagonists' Signature cards as we all have seen. DracoX (talk • contribs) 20:11, August 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea, yea, look at this dragon for reason, and Yuma will using more Chaos once he obtain certain Numbers. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:13, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Unless they want that probabaly, but Utopia is the only Number Yuma uses because that's his ace monster. DracoX (talk • contribs) 20:15, August 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Partially true. Although "Utopia" is his ace, it doesnt mean it's the only Number Yuma used. He also played "Leviathan Dragon" a few times. --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 20:21, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * As well as Gold Rat - It's like Yusei playing all Signer Dragons at nearly end of 5D's show (while playing against Z-one) -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:23, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hunters listing

 * The "defeated" should be changed to "Eliminated". Jin showed that even if someone loses a duel with Numbers, the winner only takes the Numbers the loser had during the duel, otherwise Yuma would also have taken the Number Jin had hidden. Also, Tetsuo could be included in a "Temporary Numbers Hunters" or something. 201.192.44.110 (talk) 22:53, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

There should be a "Temporary Numbers Hunters" section on the Numbers Hunters Page.

Shark
Both of you stop. If you continue, I'll lock the article and neither of you will be able to edit it. Discuss it here and see what others think. Stop edit warring. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:04, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'm doing my best to try and stop this. I'm sorry for anything wrong I've done but he won't listen to reason. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 02:06, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'm just saying that Ryoga should be placed on there. But why don't we just leave the page alone and let other contributers decide.


 * That's what the talk page is for. Seeing what everyone else thinks. Let me make something perfectly clear to both of you. It doesn't matter which of you right. You're edit warring. If you continue, I'll lock the article.
 * In any case, I don't think that Ryoga should be listed. Perhaps he deserves a mention in the prose, but not the chart. Mention that he sort of "hunted" Numbers. Can you both agree to that, perhaps? Or do either of you (or anyone else) have a compromise in mind? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:11, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that mentioning him is something I can agree with, but He shouldn't be put in the chart because he has no way of Taking Numbers nor does He want them. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 02:15, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Fine, I'll admit that but I still think he should be on the page.

I might have an idea. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 02:18, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

That works for me, but lets see what Firered16 has to offer first. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 02:20, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, what do you have in mind?

Well first I'm going to have to make some adjustments to the portal pages, but my idea is that why don't you let me put in a "Temporary Numbers Hunters" section on the article. I think it's not a bad idea since a few people suggested it on here.


 * ...but he didn't hunt the Numbers in the first place. So he's not a Numbers Hunter of any kind, temporary or otherwise. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:26, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

That's not what I meant. I meant maybe we should put Ryoga, along with Tetsuo and Tonosuke =, and maybe even the other Numbers Holders should be mentioned on a section called... "Numbers Holders?" You know what I mean (I hope) --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 02:29, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * That sounds good to me. Go for it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:33, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Going with Firered. I've always considered there to be three types of Numbers Holders. Numbers Hunters (Yuma, Jin, and Kaito), Numbers possessed (Like Fuya, Tokunske, and Ukyo), and Standard Numbers Holders (Shark when he dueled Kaito and Tetsuo). All have Numbers, but they have different. Numbers Possessed is someone who's been controlled by Numbers, they're actions are changed due to Numbers corrupting properties, Numbers Holders are people who cannot take Numbers, but they can control them and are immune to this effect. Maybe we should rename this to "Numbers Holders" and make Numbers Hunters a subcategory. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 02:35, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Bingo! So what do you say anon? End this little "war with James? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 02:40, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

... Alright fine! I'm sorry I got a little carried away with this. Then I here by end this "wikia war!" I'll get started on the page tomorrow though, I'm getting tired. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 02:40, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

I've got some time. I'll start it right now. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 02:42, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I'll finish up where you left off tomorrow. I already renamed it "Numbers Holders."

Wow, all you did was erase everything of "Numbers Hunter" and renamed it to "Numbers Holders" then left. You know, there is a whole list of numbers and who they possessed in "Numbers". i don't think there is much stuff to talk about the holders since most of the stuff are already mentioned in that article. T_T LastMinute (talk • contribs) 02:59, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's looking better now. My only comment would be that the article is at "Numbers Holder" and it also has a subsection called that. "Numbers Holder" works well as a catch-all term for those possessed, Hunters and others. The subsection should be renamed though. Not sure to what. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:15, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Numbers Keeper? Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 03:31, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Why capitalizing "holder" in the title of the article? It's not an official term as Numbers Hunter. --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 12:51, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I may have found a clue. In episode 22, Orbital 7 refers to Yuma as a "Number Duelist". Could we consider that as an official term for the Number holders? --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 20:27, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Rename
I can't rename this Numbers Holder s since there's already 1 existing and it's redirecting to this. i could copy/paste, but i'm told not to. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 03:18, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * How about Numbers User for the name? Sound more general and is correct for all the cases EBFWR (talk • contribs) 03:35, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure, why not. but that "Number Holder" sub-article about Shark and Tetsuo is really confusing me. i was like, "What?...". that's just messed up. it needs a different name. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 03:45, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Charlie
Is Charlie really is a Numbers Hunter?? I think it's a little to exaggerated...--Omojuze (talk • contribs) 20:48, November 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Charlie was using his luck to steal cards for some reason, and he just happened to take one of Yuma/Astral's Numbers. It doesn't seem like he had a desire to take them. 24.83.215.20 (talk) 08:27, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

IV
I think (If I saw good) in Episode 33 IV used cards in his hand to throw into papers (srry for my english). Aren't those Numbers?!--Omojuze (talk • contribs) 08:34, December 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Only one card was shown to be a Xyz Monster. We don't know whether it was a Number or not. --79.101.76.249 (talk) 12:36, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Syuta Hayami
Syuta Hayami himself says that he is collecting numbers (even though he only has 1). should we add it under hunter? -Lpoi (talk • contribs) 06:30, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hunters + Abbreviation
User:LegenaryAsariUgetsu, December 31st, 2011, 10:52 (UTC)
 * What does "TBC" stand for?
 * Shouldn't the "Numbers Hunters" list be in a separated page?


 * My only guess is "to be confirmed", since we don't know what it is yet.
 * I would say that eventually we will need to split it. Right now, I think it's fine how it is. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:48, December 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Following Cheesy's comment, it can also used as "To be continued..." but that's not true. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:36, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Holder vs. Hunter
Hey, don't you think there should be two different articles for Numbers Holders and Numbers Hunters??? I mean, there is a bit of a difference between the two. If you're a Number Holder, you possess a number, but don't necessarily want to have more Numbers or are looking for Numbers.And if you're a Number Hunter, you wish to possess more Numbers and you don't actually need to possess a Number to hunt for them. --PhotonKaito (talk • contribs) 01:31, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well separating it makes no sense at all. A Number Hunter is also classified as a Number Holder but thats not how it goes for Number Holder to be classified as a Number Hunter so thats why it was in the same page but was separated in the page SharkTenjo 01:47, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I think it makes sense to separate them. It also makes sense to keep it together, I think, though. Yeah, I really don't have a preference on this one. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:16, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm in favor of split. While all Numbers holders are inclined to gather more numbers, they don't seem to be actively hunting them. We've already been able to divide the hunters into their own category on the page, might as well go with a full separation. Or not, whatever. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:41, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm in favor of not split. I am following all other user that not supporting this idea. Apologize. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  03:47, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Number Hunter being "Defeated"
Seriously how do we classify Number Hunter as being defeated? When IV and III dueled Kite and Yuma, oviously they were defeated in a duel so why wasn't IV been placed as defeated at that time when clearly they were defeated. Gauche's duel with Yuma was more on a "friendly duel" so if a friendly duel is accepted as defeat, does that mean that Yuma as well is defeated since Bronk defeated him lots of times? -- SharkTenjo
 * Regarding Droite and Ghauch, they stopped hunting Numbers when they entered WDC as regular participants. -- The Goblin   I'm feelin' the flow   14:57, July 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, Yuma was not marked as defeated Hunter - it was Number 96 that controlling the duel where Brock came in and defeated Yuma. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:04, July 2, 2012 (UTC)