Talk:Red Nova Dragon

Deletion

 * This page shouldn't be deleted, Scarlet Nova Dragon has been officially announced in one of the upcoming episodes of Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's, so why shouldn't it have a page of its own. The type and level might not be known or anything but in this case it follows the line of Shooting Star Dragon who kept the same type and it's level can't be higher because Shooting Star Dragon is the ace monster of the main hero of the series. Masterdramon 18:29, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

No it shouldnt, because anyway its not the first time anyway that a card's page is made even weeks before it is shown on the anime and its mention on an episodes summary. For example Majestic Red Dragon, White Hole, Infernity Doom Dragon where some that follow this situation. DracoX 18:34, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Wait for confirmation. We've had fake episode previews and names before, and this batch seems extra suspicious.


 * Number 70.138.173.219 is correct, don't make up the page without have enough proof. I just don't like see it up without good picture. I know that open show has him in, but still, not enough. So please wait till that episode is air in japan, and then we can work on it. It's like premature baby that had to put back in mother's womb and wait for it to born nature. --FredCat100 01:33, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, I think you lot should leave it up, and when the real name comes up, if it's different, we can rename it. Just leave it alone for the present, and if justifiable grounds for deletion, outside of "it's too soon to make a page for it", come up, then you can delete it.

Scarred, not Scarlet
According to LeArk (DMC and Janime), it's likely is actually Scarred Nova Dragon, not Scarlet Nova (both would be appropriately fitting names though, but given the image we've seen, it is definitely scarred in the face). To quote him from his DMC post: ' "Also, It's name is Scarred, probably. Not Scarlet. :x That D on the last Katakana makes all the difference." ' Anyone agree with changing it? ShinobiPhoenix 08:18, May 14, 2010 (UTC) yes it is and scarlet is a referrence to wow scarlet crusade--Sartorias 15:20, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * So here we are, it is Scarred after all. Even though we are currently saying it as "Scar-Red" it still is Scarred in the end.  ShinobiPhoenix 11:32, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, if that is the case, we should move the page, correct? Qim1 23:36, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Except that it was moved. "Scar-red" seems to be another wordplay.  "Scarred" (for his look, face and symbol of Jack's wounded pride needing what it did) as well as emphasis on "red."  I just mean in the end, the word "Scarred" was correct, just with some wordplay added in.  ShinobiPhoenix 07:33, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * You People are forgetting something, in Japanese the R and L have the same sound, so it really wouldnt matter if it was spelled Scarred or Scarlet..it would still be pronounced as Scarred. Altho i admit Scarred sounds better.97.106.82.51 19:55, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you're trying to sound like you know what you're talking about. It's "SUKAARE DD O."  Again, referring to the double D.  "REDDO" not "RETTO" A D doesn't magically transform into a T.  Which is why it's Scarred and not Scarlet.  This has nothing to do with the R and L confusion and there is none in this case anyway.  ShinobiPhoenix 20:19, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * THe name of this card given in the Shonen Jump magazine literally translate to Scarlet Nova Dragon, but as seen in Elemental Hero Terra Firma, the name of the English card will still have the same meaning. If that is the case for this card too it should be called Scar-Red Nova Dragon.--Selutu 20:47, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. It's similiar, but the DD makes a huge difference. And it's obviously not SHONEN Jump.  It's not even V-Jump.  It's W-Jump.  ShinobiPhoenix 20:59, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Move this page to Scarred Nova Dragon, for god's sake, it's definitely not "Scar-Red." 70.138.173.219 02:39, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

atk?
how do you know his atk?--Arcanitejedi 14:28, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

i assume it will follow the same pattern as shooting star dragon much as majestic star and majestic red have an attack defense and level pattern. even though its in the intro this pic looks awesome the card art will likely be equally epic Kazisaki 00:45, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

You're probably right, however the pattern doesn't always hold. ASSAULT MODES: Stardust(+500 ATK/DEF), Red Dragon Archfiend(+500/ATK DEF) MAJESTIC: Stardust(+1300ATK/1000DEF), Red(+1000 ATK/DEF) Shooting Star gains 800 ATK/500 DEF. So it's possible that Nova Dragon might gain the same numbers, as with the Assault Modes - which would put its stats at 3800/2500. Or, if it follows the Majestics' pattern, its ATK increase could be 300 points less than Stardust's - 500/500, which would put it at 3500/3000, with 200 ATK points more than SSD.

17.102.41.64 14:14, May 22, 2010 (UTC)An Aki fanboy

And, it's 3500/3000. Totally called it. By the way, that thing is WAAAAY cooler IMO than SSD.

70.123.132.50 00:28, June 11, 2010 (UTC)An Aki fanboy

Level
Wow, I never thought there would be a level 12 Synchro Monster, I thought the highest they could go would always be 10.--Dragonking 21:30, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Not an Accel Synchro, but...
You COULD still Accel Synchro it out... in real life. Since the opponent turn thing is part of the Synchro/Tuner and not the Accel Synchro now, all Synchros are "Accel Synchros" anyway as far as real life is concerned. ShinobiPhoenix 12:06, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Accel Synchro is Synchro summon using Synchro tuner monstter and can be summoned during opponent turn but normal Synchro summon can not be done in opponents turn

EXCEPT by the effects of cards that specifically allow you to do so, such as Formula Synchron(STBL-JP041) 70.123.132.50 00:30, June 11, 2010 (UTC)An Aki fanboy

Effect?
2 tuners?and not synchro tuners? this is one cripy monster!--Arcanitejedi 12:17, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

My guess on the translated reading from the image scan of the Scar-Red Nova Dragon (which i could be wrong) is: "2 Tuners + Red Dragon Archfiend This card gains ATK equal to the number of Tuners in your Graveyard x 500. This card cannot be destroyed by the effect(s) of your opponent's Magic, Trap, and Effect Monster Card(s). Once per turn, during your opponent's turn, you can remove from play this card. During the turn that this card is remove from play by this effect, you can negate 1 attack this turn from a monster your opponent controls. If this card is removed from play this way, Special Summon this remove from play card during the End Phase." as this is the the suppose japanese text from the image scan "チューナー２体＋「レッド・デーモンズ・ドラゴン」 このカードの攻撃力は、自分の墓地に存在するチューナーの数×５００ポイントアップする. このカードは相手の魔法・罠・効果モンスターの効果では破壊されない. 相手ターンに１度、このカードをゲームから除外する事ができる. この効果を使用したターン、相手モンスター１体の攻撃を無効にする事ができる. この効果で除外したこのカードは、そのターンのエンドフェィズ時に自分フィールド上に戻る. " Navinetwork 13:15, May 29, 2010 (GMT)

Your translation is completely correct.--Darkness 10:12, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

The confirmed Effects of Scar-Red Nova Dragon from the latest issue of V-Jump: スカーレッド・ノヴァ・ドラゴン 闇／ドラゴン／シンクロ / ☆１２／ＡＴＫ３５００ / ＤＥＦ３０００

チューナー２体＋レッド・デーモンズ・ドラゴン

このカードの攻撃力は自分の墓地に存在するチューナーの数×５００ポイントアップする. このカードは相手の魔法・罠・効果モンスターの効果では破壊されない. また、相手モンスターの攻撃宣言時、このカードをゲームから除外し、相手モンスター１体の攻撃を無効にする事ができる. エンドフェイズ時、この効果で除外したこのカードを特殊召喚する. Translated as:

Scar-Red Nova Dragon Dark/Dragon/Synchro/12/3500/3000 2 Tuners + [Red Dragon Archfiend] This card gains ATK equal to the number of Tuners in your Graveyard x 500. This card cannot be destroyed by the effects of your opponent's Magic, Traps, and Effect Monsters. When an opponent's monster declares an attack or targets this card, you can remove from play this card to negate the attack or target. If you negate an attack or target this way, Special Summon this removed from play card during the End Phase. --- Navinetwork 11:28, June 2, 2010 (GMT)

Repost of the Scans (originally posted in Starstrike Discussion)

 * Original WJUMP Anime Scan


 * Cropped Scar-Red Nova Dragon shot


 * Cropped Attack Gainer and Create Resonator shot

What we CAN confirm from these are the Level and Synchro Materials (not to mention there's PURE logic in the fact Jack doesn't get this from a RIDING DUEL, which is also a requirement for something that is SPEED BASED). What you cannot confirm is whether or not Attack Gainer and Create Resonator is in the next set due to this talking about the anime and as such, not having setcodes even printed on. Doesn't say they won't, doesn't say they will. Only that Jack will use them for Scar-Red. I PERSONALLY say they won't be in set because they are clones of Flare Resonator and Synchro Magnator respectively. Extremely close clones and they are all even Tuners as well. I'm thinking they are just made to be the correct levels and work with some strategy Jack is doing. Still the scans exist and they are from WJUMP. Not something people can deny without prior drug usage or brain damage. I didn't believe it at first either, BUT I ASKED FOR PROOF AND IT WAS GIVEN QUICKLY AND CONFIRMED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WE HAVE HAD NO PROBLEM BEFORE TRUSTING BEFORE. It's like people ignore things when it makes things feel fluffy. Problem with the internet generation. ShinobiPhoenix 22:06, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Much better scan now, someone please update the image on the page. http://a.imagehost.org/0668/1_92.jpg ShinobiPhoenix 20:37, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

my thoughts
i think this card is an accel synchro for 3 reason and they are Reason 1. yusei tells jack and crow about accel synchro in ep 73 or 74 and they set out to figure out how it works meaning it not being one would be pointless to for the story to tell jack and crow about it.

Reason 2. the yiliaster guys use the infinity cards that absorb synchros meaning this card would be useless against them because as soon as he summons it the next turn they could take it from him.

Lastly Reason 3. since team 5DS is made up of yusei, jack and crow will have to duel all three yiliaster guys at the end of the WRPG meaning 3 inifinite monsters then 3 accel synchro monsters to battle them cause like that "god" told yusei boths sides to the future most be given an equal chance. This also means that crow will get an accel synchro monster since hes on the 3 man team that will duel the infinite monsters, basicly 3 vs 3 for the future. This is what i think anyway.

MIKE G THE MAZOKU

accel synchro monster?
Its not an accel synchro monster but you can synchro summon with Formula Synchron in your opponents turn.
 * I believe that this is true. If the card really states that it needs 2 tuners, it does not specify what kind of tuners they must be, in which case Formula Synchron is indeed a possibility. --Sapphire 13:29, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Effect
Effect of this card is awesome. First, it gain attack for each tuner monsters in your graveyard x500. Second, it cannot be destroyed by card effect. It will have much attack points so its be nearly indestructible. Third, it can be removed from play to negate one attack and it is returned to the field at end of the turn. The last effect is similar to Shooting Star Dragon's anime effect. Whats are your thoughts? The King 11:13, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * And how do you know this?--Sapphire 13:27, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is its anime effect. The King 15:30, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, how do you know this? The card still has yet to fully appear in the anime, the latest Episode 111 barely mentions the name of the monster. So the episode that contains the monster's effect, has yet to come out. --Sapphire 13:32, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, it is anime effect. Don't you see the page of this card. There is an Effect of this card!!! The King 15:61, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Chill, King... Sapphire was mean to ask you how you learned those effect text complete, since that was still in Japan language. --FredCat100 14:25, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't readed it. When I loged in there was effect on the page already. I just freaked how he asked me where i found it, thats all. The King 16:31, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, I just visit there and it's already there too. Guess Sapphire should check English Anime instead of "TCG English" point. --FredCat100 14:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm sorry for stressing you out, I was just curious. But could either of you post a link or something that could show me the effect of this card? Since the pic on this site is covered, and cannot be comepletely read. I'm extremely excited for when this card comes out in english, I just can't wait!--Sapphire 16:38, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

''2 Tuner Monsters + "Red Dragon Archfiend" This card gains ATK equal to the number of Tuners in your Graveyard x 500. This card cannot be destroyed by the effects of your opponent's Spells, Traps, and Effect Monsters. Once during each of your opponent's turns, you can remove this card from play. During the turn in which this effect is used, you can negate the attack of 1 opposing monster. This card removed from play by this effect is returned to your side of the field during the End Phase of that turn. (Effect Unconfirmed)''

That's all what it told from Article in English Anime Effect text. --FredCat100 23:31, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

I can't read Japanese, but if you look at the picture in this article it says something about 500x. So it's likely that it will retain it's first anime effect. Unless that scan was of the anime and not Starstrike...--Azure Knight-Zeo 01:16, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

It's weird that none mention that this monster has 3300 atk points, just like any other accel synchro monster. this is basically confirmed since any other accel synchoro shares the effect of removing himself from play, so we can assume that since the other 2 accel synchros have 3300, this 1 should have it to. Pato M 19:34, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * But Scar-Red Nova Dragon is not an Accel Synchro,--Sapphire 23:32, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, as we have know so little of what is going on in Episodes; Jack is doing Ground Duel when the announce dragon coming on the scene. That therefore not Accel Synchro Monster from that point. Plus this dragon's ATK is still unconfirmed since of some strange block on that page it was revealed complete. If his ATK should be 3300 ATK, then explain to me why Red Dragon Archfiend/Assault Mode and Majestic Red Dragon has different ATK points from Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode (by 500 points) and Majestic Star Dragon (by 200 points) respective? --FredCat100 23:44, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, I believe that this monster in particular would be somewhere in between the ATK points of Red Dragon Archfiend/Assault Mode and Majestic Red Dragon, just like Shooting Star Dragon's ATK points are in between Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode and Majestic Star Dragon. Which would probably put SRND at 3800 points--Sapphire 13:52, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

New Scan
http://pic.newwise.com/bbs_fj/day_100602/1006022359f543056324265ffc.jpg

Translations available on Janime's Forum: http://www.janime.eu/showthread.php/43284-Set-702-Starstrike-Blast/page6

How does one beat this thing?
According to new information it's anime effects have been confermied as real, but one has to ask ones slef, how can it be stopped? It has 4500 ATK, can't be destroyed by effects, and negates attacks. How overpowered is that? Well allow me to answer my own question: for one thing effect negaters like Skill Drain and D-Hero Plasma an open it up for effects, and also cards that remove instad of destroy will work like Dimensional Prision and Synchro Ejection. --Azure Knight-Zeo 02:24, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Assuming that the tuner monsters used are not from graveyard, its minimum attack is 5000 since Red Dragon Archfiend also requires a tuner. There should be a total of 3 tuner monsters in graveyard provided that there are no synchro summmon made earlier. Well... there's also no law against weakening it...Scizor99 20:54, June 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Assuming this and Shooting Star become widespread, which I highly doubt, there's always sidedecking a few Compulsory Evacuation Devices. Destroys the deck, pretty much.--YamiWheeler 21:00, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * As well as Discord, it can stop your opponent's Synchro Monster from being summon and destroy their purpose of try to summon that dragon, by remove all Red Dragon Archfiend from play easily. --FredCat100 21:05, June 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Use Honest when they attack. The anime effect allows it to remove itself any time, but not the real-life effect. Ascriptmaster 08:14, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

the accel synchros have a shared effect
whenever their targeted by the synchro killers they remove themselves from play and return on the end phase and i think this is jack s accel synchro When your opponent's monster declares an attack, you can remove from play this card to negate that monster's attack. During the End Phase, Special Summon this card that was removed from play by this effect.--Sartorias 13:32, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

you can say that they share a common effect but it in anime, jack summoned this monster in a normal duel. So it is not an accel synchro monster. furthermore, unlike in real life, only the accel synchro monster is capable of doing accel synchro. since SRND does not that effect, it is not an accel synchro monster
 * But still, Jack can summon him the normal way in Turbo Duel, like his former Synchro Monster; Red Dragon Archfiend and other. And btw, please sign this ~ when you post a new comment or new topic. --FredCat100 12:02, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

How to make it Invincible
I just realised, equip a Mist Body to it and it'll become invincible. --AARONmeister 12:16, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not completely true. You still have to worry about cards like Torrential Tribute and Magic Cylinder and Mirror Force. This monster has 4500 ATK right off the bat once summoned, excluding any other tuners you may have, in your graveyard, that were not used to summon him. So a Magic Cylinder could easily turn the duel around or cost you the round.--Sapphire 12:47, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not invincible, even through Mist Body. However, it cant be destroyed by card effects like Mirror Force( which some people seem to forget). So, just use cards like Compulsory Evacuation Device.Use cards that dont destroy it, like CED,or Soul Exchange,cards that get rid of it, but doesnt technically destroy it.
 * Why can it not get destroyed by Mirror Force or Torrential Tribute?--Sapphire 13:37, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because it cant be destroyed by card effects.Last time I checked, they destroy monsters, and their card effects.

Holydragoncrusher 14:57, June 5, 2010 (UTC)Synchro monsters like Dark End Dragon and also Majestic Dragons are effective against this card
 * Reading is encouraged: "2 Tuners + "Red Dragon Archfiend"
 * This card gains 500 ATK for each Tuner monster in your Graveyard. This card cannot be destroyed by your opponent's cards effects. When your opponent's declares an attack, you can remove from play this card to negate 1 monster's attack. During the End Phase, Special Summon this card that was removed from play by this effect."--YamiWheeler 15:22, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yea.....my bad....I had completely forgotten about that.--Sapphire 15:50, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

A thought
how is this monster going to be summoned to battle against the infinity monsters when its hard enough to get the monsters needed for accel synchro out onto the field as shown in yuseis duel with placido with yusei having to use all those cards to keep one or both of the key monsters needed for the summon from being absorbed. I say this because this card will be even trickier to summon given its need for 2 tuners and that its master is jack atlas, someone who isnt really know for being as cunning with his cards as yusei is with his card plays that and given jack uses a power based deck that to me makes it even harder to get the right pieces out and keep them around long enough to perform the summoning.
 * Please sign your comments with four tildes (~ ~ ~ ~). There are two cards in the works that help with that. The first is Create Resonator, which Special Summons itself if you control a Level 8+ Synchro Monster. The other is Screen of Red, which destroys itself when Red Dragon Archfiend is on the field and Special Summons a Level 1 Tuner. Combined, these two cards will provide the two tuners needed to summon Scar-Red Nova Dragon. Ascriptmaster 06:26, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * What I don't understand is why they're making the Evolutions of RDA so much better tahn the Evolutions of Stardust. I mean, yeah, they gave us Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode, but they use that as an excuse to downgrade Majestic Star and Shooting Star, not to mention, make Majestic Red and Scar-Red totally busted. This is outrageous. 98.210.19.167 05:17, June 8, 2010 (UTC) (E-Dizzle)

They are making an Upgraded RDA stronger to the upgraded of Stardust because, in their original, RDA is stronger, so if you upgrade both of them, what would be the reason of Starust Having a much stronger attack and besides, Shooting Star's effect is worthwhile and 3300 is still a beatstick. :) 33royward 13:29, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Similarities with Shooting Star Dragon
It's interesting, Scar-Red Nova Dragon isn't an accel synchro monster but it attacks in an almost identical way to Shooting Star Dragon and a specific reference was made to the fact that both were the new powers of Jack and Yusei and that they both required specific mental changes to be able to summon them.121.222.106.4 19:52, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Artwork
Don't you all agree this is one of the best looking cards ever?13:58, June 12, 2010 (UTC)