Forum:Veiler situation, A.k.A. what the fuck is going on here?

Ok i hate using the word "fuck" but really, is this an other BKSS situation?

Ok this is the thing. Effect Veiler has an effect the imitates skill drain, forbidden lance, and fiendish chain. that is well known for people. Veiler however doesn't imitate herald of the orange light, Divine Wrath, or Evolzar Dolkka. Veiler has an effect that can be activated at any time of any of the main phases. It targets a monster and it decides that that monsters will have it's effect(s) negated, if it doesn't leave the field, and until the end phase of the opponent is reached, at wich point the turn player will decide at what point the effect of effect veiler will stop taking effect.

Up until now, i have been explaining things that most of you, if not all, already know. The problem here is a contradiction, that, as someone who has been a judge since a long time ago, and confused so few times that can be counter with the fngers in one hand, just makes my head wanna play headbumps with the wall.

The contradiction starts here, in veiler versus effects that aren't resolved on the field. I'll name some effects, but i want you to realise that they are all bassically the same condition of activation. Let's mention veiler versus, exiled force, Stardust Dragon, rescue cat, recue rabbit and many more. Well, if you know those, you will realise that they have effects that activate on the field, but that resolve in different places.

At the start of this forum i said that veiler is, kinda, like a mini skill drain. what does skill drain say? what does veiler say? That, activate effects, you can activate all of the effects you want, but, if, at the moment of resolution, they are still on the field, then, they will resolve, but without effect. I wanna quote this


 * If the targeted monster is no longer face-up on the field when Effect Veiler's effect resolves, the targeted monster's effect(s) will not be negated.

Up until there, nothing makes no sence. I have played tournaments, and even games, such as the tag force series, in wich, these all make sence.

But here is the situation.


 * Effect Veiler: If you target Exiled Force with Effect Veiler and your opponent Tributes Exiled Force to activate its effect later in the turn, the effect of Exiled Force will be negated. A.k.A. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)

Exiled force, tributes himself as a cost, wich means, that after it activates, it is no longer on the field. If macro cosmos is on the field, it will be removed, if it isn't it'll go to grave. where it goes doesn't matter now. It matters where it isn't. It isnt on the field.

Now, to shorten up this a little, my question is bassically, what does this mean? I wanna cover as well that i'm not asking in any way what happens with priority. i am saying, for example, I veiler a stardust, and then, not in chain, i use raigeki break, to destroy something. I am asking why does the effect of stardust, doesn't resolve properly. I am asking where, in all of that wall of text, did i go wrong? And, please, if you are not sure, don't comment. I am asking for the help of either someone who is certain for sure, or someone who works in konami, and given that it is not probable that i find one, i ask for the answer, explanation, and confirmation, of someone who is 100% certain. Thanks in advance. --Yes, im Pato (talk • contribs) 01:35, April 3, 2012 (UTC)