Forum:September 2011, Banlist Prediction

SEPTERMBER 2011, BANLIST PREDICTIONS

FORBIDDEN

LIMITED
 * Monster Reborn
 * Gateway of the Six
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian

SEMI-LIMITED
 * Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth
 * Crush Card Virus
 * Archlord Kristya
 * Gladiator Beast War Chariot
 * Skill Drain
 * Spirit Reaper
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
 * Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En


 * Dimensional Prison
 * Chaos Sorcerer
 * Mezuki
 * Gold Sarcophagus
 * Master Hyperion
 * Six Samurai United

UNLIMITED


 * Megamorph
 * Ojama Trio

FORBIDDEN

￭ Monster Reborn( we have enough special summon cards. we don't need monster reborn anymore.)

LIMITED

￭ Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth (This guy only really fits in 1 deck type so he's not too big of a problem.) ￭ Crush Card Virus(HAHAHAHA you're not funny) ￭ T.G. Hyper Librarian(He's still dangerous at 1 but if you solemn him you're good.) ￭ Archlord Kristya(this makes sense in the OCG meta since they run fairies a lot, but not in TCG.) ￭ Demise, King of Armageddon(nobody uses him.) ￭ Skill Drain(its never bothered me so i don't know what to say.) ￭ Spirit Reaper(meh card is meh.) ￭ Six Samurai United(its a powerful card, but requires the right cards to abuse it. it's a +1 at best so i can't see it being limited. semi maybe.)

SEMI-LIMITED

￭ Dimensional Prison(IMO it's not that good of a card. solemn outclasses this.) ￭ Chaos Sorcerer(people only run 2 anyway :/) ￭ Mezuki(semi mezuki but keep book of life at 3? are you insane?) ￭ Gold Sarcophagus(people only ever run 2.) ￭ Master Hyperion(ive never seen him played against me so i cant give any opinions on this guy.)

UNLIMITED

￭ Megamorph(morphtronic/vylon gets a little stronger) ￭ Ojama Trio(sure, why not) --DoitForTheLulZ! (talk • contribs) 01:08, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Confounded O.o
JUST MY THOUGHTS Yep ..I am the black Jet Li (talk • contribs) 03:44, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Six Samurai United - Semi limited
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian- Limited
 * Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth - Limited
 * Dandylion - Semi limited (just for the lulz :3, not really serious )
 * Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning - Limited (personally)
 * Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier - Limited/ Semi limited (for obvious reasons... trishula loop enough siad)
 * Destiny Draw - Semi limited (i just want to see this in more deck again )
 * Ultimate Offering - Limited (with exceeds coming out and combine that with gadgets u do the math)
 * Tsukuyomi - Limited (..cough.. i dont like shi-en )
 * Ojama Trio - Unlimited (does this even show play in any deck )
 * Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En - Limited / Semi limited
 * Gladiator Beast Bestiari - Semi limited (i wanna see more of them top)

crush card virus is almost never going to come of the banlist, the effect to destroy monsters with 1500 attack or more, is too powerfull to even have for only 1 turn. Also blackwings would be become far too powerfull, they already have access to deck devastation virus and don't need crush card virus as well

I predict Hyper librarian getting limited or banned, he will probably provide allot of draw power to create an OTK/FTK, and if you have at least 2 of them you gain too much hand advantage and too fast.

matthew.lightbody@talktalk.net (talk • contribs) 18:52, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

What I highly disagree with:

I do not think that Monster Reborn will be limited-it's been great for the metagame. Coelocanth is good but has seen too little play to be Limited-perhaps Semi. Crush Card is far too powerful and easy to use-just tribute a Sangan or Plaguespreader and gain lots of advantage-it will stay banned. Hyper Librarian is good but at most it will be Semi'd. Krystia is also good but it's fine where it is. Demise is no longer used so there's no reason to limit him. Skill Drain doesn't even close to merit a Limit or Semi-Limit and Spirit Reaper does not need limiting. Dimensional Prison isn't too game changing for a Semi-Limitation. Chaos Sorcerer has seen little play and as such does not need a Semi-Limitation no matter how good it is. On the other hand, Mezuki is far too good to limit. Gold Sarcophagus is far too slow and is barely used.

What I agree with as a possibility or likelyhood:

As a hater of Six Samurai, I think Six Samurai United deserves at least a Semi-Limitation. Megamorph is now totally useless and deserves to be re-Unlimited. Ojama Trio is likewise near-useless and also deserves this fate. Master Hyperion will probably stay at 3 (of all the Agents, Earth is most likely to receive a Semi-Limitation due to it's search power) but it could prove powerful enough to top the metagame.

I know that Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier will be Limited and I'll bet that eventually Grapha, Dragon God of Dark World will at least by Semi-Limited (although it may not be out for long enough before the banlist). Scrap Dragon could possibly see a Semi-Limitation and if things continue Reborn Tengu may also see one.

Scraps are NOT a reasonable threat to the meta so there is no reason for it's semi-limiting. Reborn Tengu is a TCG exclusive and will not be touched by the ban hammer because of that. I think that after World though Hyper Librarian will receive banning as one can honestly assume that nearly all the decks at Worlds will be trying to spam Librarian as much as possible. Bestiari will never be semi-limited unless the format warrants it, which it does not. This is because Gladiator Beasts are a HUGE threat or would be if enough skilled players did play them. I agree on Six Samurai stuff recieving limitation, as their role as lead deck in the format warrants it.

On another note, does anyone think that Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning will be unbanned and put to 1 just so that Konami will make money off of Gold Series 4 in America? LOL that would be funny but bad XD --MrDuelPro (talk • contribs) 10:34, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think So
Limited : T.G Hyper Librarian Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth Archlord Krystia] Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning Chaos Sorcerer

Semi Limited: Gladiator Beast Bestiari Shien's Dojo Shien's Smoke Signal Thunder King Rai-Oh

Unlimited: Nothing

If Bestiari were semi-limited Gladiator Beasts would be overpowered as they could get. Nobody uses Krystia and BLS - Envoy is so overpowered that there's no reason to Limit it. Also, if they limited it, then Chaos Sorcerer would at most be Semi'd.

Yeah, you make a point but at most Tengu would be semi ed. Otherwise it's effect is useless. I don't see why people think BLS - Envoy would be limited again, we've seen a BLS - Envoy and Sky Scourge Enrise deck, and that was destructive. Can't remember what tourney it was it though. -- Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 03:17, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

V.Resk
SEPTERMBER 2011, BANLIST PREDICTIONS

FORBIDDEN


 * Monster Reborn lots of revival, very fast card

LIMITED


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian silly draw power
 * Shien's Smoke Signal all the other search cards bar E are.

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Dimensional Prison Getting spammed at 3 alot
 * Doppelwarrior same as Librarian
 * A blackwing Card, maybe shura or Delta Crow
 * A DW card, as they are winning silly lots in the week or so they've been out
 * Reborn Tengu, it's like a better Destiny Hero - Malicious but tcg so idk

UNLIMITED


 * Megamorph no-one's running it anyway

- Resk ( ✩ ) 15:29, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier needs to be semi-limited because of a ridiculous loop with it that allows one to draw the entire deck with it due to Symbol of Heritage. A Fish deck can FTK through that combo by simply starting with Star Blast and Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth (and maybe Level Eater? I forget) through drawing enough cards to burn kill with Tempest Magician, or perform a loop that allows one to summon Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier as many times as one wishes in a single turn. This combo can be performed without T.G. Hyper Librarian but the loop takes longer to start gaining card advantage. Oh and I wish Reborn Tengu would get at least semi-limited but since it won't be printed in Extra Pack 4 it won't be touched for over a year at least.--Hozu (talk • contribs) 14:05, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

My predictions
I warn you in advance, I'm French and my English isn't maybe very good... Be indulgent please.

I think it's maybe a little too early to make real predictions. But ... Let's go.

BANNED


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Dandylion
 * Reinforcement of the Army

LIMITED


 * Six Samurai United
 * Shien's Smoke Signal
 * Solemn Warning
 * Pot of Avarice

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Pot of Duality
 * Gravekeeper's Spy

I'm not going to focus on other cards can become forbidden/limited/semi-limited or on cards that could come back, because I think what I said above is more certain in my opinion and I prefer not to predict returns (really too random).


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian: launches broken combos, very easy to summon, can fill the hand and the field, dissuades the opponent to Synchro Summon, 2400 ATK, Dark (he doesn't fear Catastor).


 * Dandylion: became really too broken with new cards: Spore, Glow-Up Bulb, Formula Synchron, the March 2011 list (with Dandy to 1 and Debris to 2) was not enough to stop the Plant deck, Dandy's ban is in my opinion the only way to stop the Plant deck.


 * Reinforcement of the Army: too powerfull in Six Samurai and Junk/Doppel decks (even it's true that Librarian's ban might be enough to bring the deck out of the running).


 * Six Samurai United: the same effect as Pot of Greed in Six Samurai decks, all is said.


 * Shien's Smoke Signal: Shi En's summon is too easy with this card.


 * Solemn Warning: the card itself isn't really broken, but in two copies per deck, it becomes too powerful, because the probability to obtain it at the beginning of the game, when this card hurts the most to the opponent, are higher, and the opponent can always fear another Warning. In only one copy per deck, it's a good, but balanced card.


 * Pot of Avarice: some decks like Plant can use this card like it was a Pot of Greed, and its default can become an advantage because it can return Synchro Monsters like Formula Synchron or Black Rose Dragon in Extra Deck.


 * Pot of Duality: a good card to stabilize a deck, but 3 copies per deck is maybe too powerful. Also, this card is almost mandatory in decks like X-Saber, Gravekeeper's] or Worm, while other like Dark World or Six Samurai do not really need because they Special Summon a lot of monsters and a turn without Special Summon can temporaly paralyze the deck, creating inequality between decks.


 * Gravekeeper's Spy: Gravekeeper's decks are played even in OCG, however Recruiter will not release before the release of Extra Pack 4 in September, so I can't imagine the success of Gravekeeper's deck with Recruiter's release in OCG. Spy is an engine of the deck, because it has 2000 DEF and can easily Summon usefull monsters. And Spy + Descendant is a terrible combo, because it gets rid of a card for free.

DGa (talk • contribs) 14:36, June 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's an awful and highly unrealistic list. Hyper Librarian will not get banned. At best (and most likely), it'll be Limited. Six Samurai haven't dominated this format since Plants came along. I doubt they'll be hit hard, if at all. One of their key cards (either United or Smoke Signal) will be hit, not both, and definitely not Reinforcement of the Army. Pot of Duality will not be hit. It's a good card, it's not limit or semi-limit worthy. I think that Lonefire Blossom has a bigger chance of getting hit than Dandylion, but Konami do have a tendency to go for the sillier choices. (see: Substitoad over Mass Driver) Solemn Warning is fine at 2. We need cards like Solemn Warning to actually stand a chance against certain types of decks. And GK Spy being hit is laughable. Pretty awful list. You missed Agents completely, too.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 14:44, June 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Librarian is a BROKEN card. It's a OTK/FTK engine, even at 1, like Dark Strike Fighter, and ban it is the best way to stop abuses with this card. For me, it needs to be banned, and I'm not the only one to think it. I admit that I may have been very severe with Samurai, and it's true, Reinforcement of the Army really don't need to be banned. But United needs really to be limited, because it has the same effect as Pot of Greed in SS decks. I will not again talk about PoD. Indeed, I had not thought of Lonefire Blossom, it is true that it might be more appropriate to touch instead of Dandylion. I agree with you, Solemn Warning is a good card to regulate this format with a lot of summon engines, but to 2, it's maybe too many. And I don't see how semi-limit Gravekeeper's Spy is laughable. DGa (talk • contribs) 17:03, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Updated predictions:

BANNED


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Lonefire Blossom

LIMITED


 * Six Samurai United
 * Solemn Warning
 * Pot of Avarice

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Pot of Duality
 * Gravekeeper's Spy


 * I fail to see how Hyper Librarian at 1 is an OTK/FTK engine, especially FTK. If you're losing to 1 Librarian, you must be an awful player. It is a broken card, but it doesn't need to be banned. It's fine at 1. Unlike Dark Strike Fighter, it doesn't automatically result in an OTK. They're not even on the same level. And Gravekeeper's Spy is the most random card in Gravekeeper's to hit. Gravekeeper's won't be hit by the next list, because one of their best cards is a TCG-exclusive, limiting the play in the OCG, which is what the banlist is always based on.--YamiWheeler (talk • Symbol of Heritagentributions/YamiWheeler|contribs]]) 17:30, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Librarian is in no way an OTK engine like DSF was. It gives advantage but it's easy to get rid of before you can gain this advantage (although not in all decks-it makes Shooting Quasar really easy to summon).

Prediction updated

FORBIDDEN


 * Monster Reborn
 * Symbol of Heritage (maybe Limited or untouched)
 * Mind Master

LIMITED


 * Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Archlord Kristya
 * Mystical Space Typhoon
 * Solemn Warning
 * Infernity Mirage
 * Six Samurai United

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Dimensional Prison
 * Chaos Sorcerer
 * Mezuki
 * Wild Tornado
 * Formula Synchron (maybe Limited)
 * Tuning
 * Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier
 * Master Hyperion

UNLIMITED


 * Megamorph
 * Ojama Trio

Anyone who thinks Blackwings need to get hit again need to die. The deck can't touch any Tier 1 deck in TCG and when it fights in tier 2 decks, it still does bad now. OCG Vayu Turbo have blaring weaknesses too, especially against Gravekeepers.

What needs to happen is:

Hyper Librarian - Limited, at most Banned. 2 Libarians can turn a 3 card combo into a 9 card hand.

Formula Synchron - Semi-Limited, at most Limited. This card already provides a lot of draw power and too many decks build around spamming it.

Reborn Tengu - Semi-Limited, at most not Limited since TCG only. If the card didn't have good stats with its effect, it would be borderline useless to have at all. But Malicious is Semi for its Synchro power, this needs to be too for that reason.

Dewloren - Semi-Limited, at most Limited. This card is the best one to Semi limited to prevent that new FTK Deck with Future Fusion. It's fair to go to 2 instead of another card to get banned.

Archlord Krystia - Limited. Not many decks can touch Krystia once it hits the field and it utterly halts the game. The fact that it comes back makes it almost hopeless to try to stop. And with Valhalla, it can come out very easily. Limiting this is for hurting its consistency in Fairy decks. Dark Armed Dragon is Limited as a Dark boss monster, Krystia is the same with an effect more attuned to lock-down than OTK destruction.

Royal Tribute - Limited. First turn Royal Tribute 90% of the time wins games. And with Necrovalley's effect to stop the dropped monsters from ever coming back and your opponent getting a peak at your hand, it's kind of dumb. Delinquent Duo, The Forced Sentry, and Confiscation are banned. This card is more powerful with a bigger cost though. Go to one for consistency.

Six Samurai United - Semi-Limited, at most Limited. I play Samurai and I can understand how dumb things can be. The deck's lockdown power is stupid.

Mind Master - Banned. Psychic decks need only 1 Librarian to lock down every player with just this one card. It's the Psychic equivalent to a Frog card that is now banned. It's still banned because it cycles through a deck, Psychics do the same thing. If Mind Master doesn't get banned than that Frog card should come back.

Black Whirlwind - Semi-Limited. As an avid Blackwing player for years, everyone knows it was Gale and Kalut that would break the deck. With Icarus Attack at 2 and Kalut at 1, the deck isn't as great as it used to be. Kalut and Icarus Attack made the deck scary if they had backfield or a hand. Now, there's no reason not to attack and get hit by the 1 Kalut. Black Whirlwind can come back to 2 because it would make the deck a bit more consistent. Besides, there are many other decks that fly circles around Blackwings today.

Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner - Semi-Limited. The deck is also ready for a comeback. I hated this deck before, but I now realize it was Necro Gardna and Honest that made the deck stupid. Charge of the Light Brigade is a search that drops cards into the grave which may provide too many benefits, so I say Lumina instead. Of course, at its best, both could go to 2 and it would be fine in today's meta.

Tribe-Infecting Virus - Limited. Type Lightning Vortex that needs field presence to reuse. It may be too broken with Librarian, but it's not broken without Librarian. When Shi-En, Beast, or Barkion hit the field, what are you supposed to do? This makes that possible. Dark Hole came back because it doesn't do much against Stardust, same thing here so it isn't too broken unless draw power is too strong.

Pot of Duality - Semi-Limited. Decks that use them use 3. It's got its limitations, but we already have too much draw power as it is and this just makes people have 37 card decks in their decks as opposed to 40. Consistency is good in non-tier 1 decks, but those decks depend too much on it. If they want consistency, create new support for them. We all know what happened to Dark Worlds, Samurai, and Fairies when just 3 or 4 (or 15 for Samurai) new cards are made for their archetypes.

Destiny Draw - Semi-Limited. Meh, it's fine.

The bane of all our existence: Pot of Avarice - Limited. If Formula, Librarian, Reborn Tengu, or a few other cards can't get limited in some way, then this card definitely needs to get hit. 95% of the decks use 2 to create infinite consistency, and 3 if they think they can get a 12 card hand with 5 Synchros on the field- because I've done it too many times with my decks.

What is this new Future Fusion FTK? Also, when has Mind Master actually seen gamebreaking use?

Ah, pretty sweet FTK-however, Effect Veiler kills it (stops Librarian or Tempest) as do Solemn Warning and Solemn Judgment. It also only works if you get Future Fusion in your first hand which is a 3/20 chance (15%). Apparently the deck goes into Miracle Gemini...but the deck probably isn't worth semi-limiting Dewloren for.

Eh...
I guess i'll make my own predictions too

Forbidden


 * Gateway of the Six (if Six Samurai United isn't hit)
 * Monster Reborn

Limited


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Ultimate Offering
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (this time for the TCG)
 * Solemn Warning
 * Royal Tribute

Semi-Limited


 * Chaos Sorcerer
 * Reborn Tengu
 * Pot of Duality
 * Six Samurai United (if Gateway of the Six isn't banned)
 * Book of Moon
 * Demise, King of Armageddon
 * Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier
 * Black Rose Dragon
 * Formula Synchron
 * Dimensional Prison
 * Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
 * Master Hyperion

Unlimited


 * Ojama Trio
 * Megamorph
 * Bottomless Trap Hole

Moja619 (talk • contribs) 01:48, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Solemn Warning really doesn't need the limit. Semi-Tengu would kill it. Semi-limiting Chaos Sorcerer is not necessary as most people use one or two. Demise is no longer used-no need for semi. Black Rose doesn't need the semi as Debris is at two (easiest BRD ever). Dimensional Prison is perfect at three. And Ultimate Offering...why the hell limit it?

Ulimate Offering + Gadgets = instant Rank 4 Xyz Summon (once they arrive to the TCG)

Moja619 (talk • contribs) 02:15, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

bottomless to 3?.. why would you say that ... highly unlikely that they would ever do that ...duality would never go semi. it isnt that broken ..you can only use 1 per turn plus you cant special that turn..royal tribute will stay to 2...for 1 simple reason ..not splashable enough and only used in gravekeepers.. without that gravekeepers will go extinct (personally).....i dont think they will ban monster reborn again, BUT, it is very likely that they might do it , but i dont think so..book of moon to 2 sounds good for the format ..so i can actually go with you on that 1...but other than that everything else seems spot on Yep ..I am the black Jet Li (talk • contribs) 06:46, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Moja-that's okay but it requires a field to set up.

My predictions:

Ban: Monster Reborn

Limited: T.G. Hyper Lib, Coelacanth, Kristya, Hyperion, Doppelwarrior, Six Samurai United, LSS Shi En, maybe Kizan, maybe BW Bora, Dragon Ravine (turbo!), Lonfire Blossom, Machina Gearfreame&Fortress, Karakuri-Synchros (KMP), Shooting Quasar Dragon

Semi-Limited: maybe BW Shura, D-Draw, Scrap Dragon, BW Vayu (OCG Graveyard BW), Miracle Fusion, Mezuki, LS Lumina, Chaos Sorcerer, LS Ryko

Unlimited: GB Bestiari (because you MUST destroy a trap/magic card, it's a nonsense when your oppenent plays o deck without S/T cards), Ojama Trio, BoM

Tengu cannot be semi-limited because this card isn't in OCG.

User:Asdfghjkl1234567890


 * That prediction is the worst I've ever seen. I'm so glad you aren't in charge of the banlist.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 15:29, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

--Rubynator (talk • contribs) 17:09, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's the worst i mean, Coelacanth is maybe good but have you taken a look at the tops? If there's 0 to 1 fish deck it doesn't need to be on the list. Same with BW, there only 2 or less in the top. Machina Gearframe, Fortress and karakuri synchros for only max. 3 kmp and 1 machina gadgets in the top? Shooting Quasar dragon is likely summoned once and there are max. 2 scrap decks in the top so no scrap dragon. OMG bestiari unlimited?! no-one would agree with that!

I'm having a feeling that Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning might be limited. Why? OCG has no more Priority, easy to solemn warning/judgment, and any cards that negate SSing (Raioh), and cards that prevent removing from game (GK or imperial iron wall.) Also, with it being released in GLD4, you think Konami might test it out to see if it's still as broken as it was in the beginning, no pun intended. 178.191.205.35 (talk) 20:53, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

OMG
Oh My God...... what kind of prediction was that. if u do that the game would be ruin for everybody. Doppelwarrior to 1 are you crazy ..lowest is probably 2 either way i dont see that hitting the list at all. Dragon Ravine At 1 ..What the Hell. im starting to think you pick this list out because of cards you dont like... they cant limit both Machina Fortress and Machina Gearframe come on now. Legendary Six Samurai - Kizan will never get hit, being honest , besides who is even scared of six sams this point in time. their barely topping now. their spells only need to be restricted for the next list.. NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WANTS Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner SEMI'D. Why would they hit blackwings again, isnt 1 gale 1 whirlwind and 2 icarus enough to satisfy you sir. Blackwings has been hit more times than any deck i've seen so far. What the crap dude i though i was getting gitty when i said i wanted Gladiator Beast Bestiari semi'd ...BUT UNLIMITED!!.... wow dude i think everyone can go with me that gladiators with 3 Gladiator Beast Bestiari is the most broken / dangerous / broken thing we can ever deal with ... thats enough on that ........................Yep ..I am the black Jet Li (talk • contribs) 04:08, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

fuck


 * Well, we'll have to wait and see about the prio ruling later this summer, but most likely the prio ruling will be tweaked/ changed. But the only problem with BLS- Envoy is that if you're opponent doesn't have Warning/Judgment/Bottomless(Prio ruling pending), BLS will be very hard to deal with, but hey if Konami wants to try that, let's see what'll happen. Anyone else think that Monster Reborn might be hit again? We do have a bunch of Special Summon this format. -- Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 04:11, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Just another List
LIMITED:

Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth Six Samurai United T.G. Hyper Librarian Valhalla, Hall of the Fallen Archlord Kristya

SEMI-LIMITED:

Book of Moon The Agent of Mystery - Earth Gladiator Beast Bestiari Miracle Fusion

UNLIMITED

Bottomless Trap Hole Megamorph Ojama Trio


 * Whats' up with people thinking Fish decks need to get hit? There's really no Fish decks dominating. Well, I don't really think that Bottomless will go unlimited, still pretty powerful, it RFGs. And why would Hall get Limited? Really I don't think so.They might hit Earth, but its really nothing like Stratos, and it only gets Hyper out when you have Sky. -- Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 22:46, July 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * And none of the Hyperion decks that actually win are running sancturay, though they are running 3 earth- Resk ( ✩ ) 03:34, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Personal Opinion
In all honesty, i could see fishborg or swap frog potentially hit, also hyper librarian at 1 (concidering this card will change the entire meta game completel, making cloudian synchro, and dopple synchro that much better)

sorry to interrupt, but can someone tell me this dewloren otk combo works ? i quite suprised to know this card have an otk combo. Gemini 93 (talk • contribs) 00:52, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Solemn Warning

 * I'm just wondering how you all are overlooking Solemn Warning for being Limited. Let's face it; Warning is a broken card. For those of you who don't agree, play against GK, Samurai, Tengu Synchro, Stun, Gladiator Beasts, Miracle Gemini, or Blackwings(I pick these Decks because they are all known for their control aspects). Warning is probably the most powerful Trap card that these Decks have access to. People have been comparing this card to Bottomless, and have thus, been using that comparison to justify Warning staying at 2. I think that comparison is entirely illogical. Warning does things that Bottomless could never do in a million years. The ability to stop any summon, or effect that special summons. An effect as simple, yet prolific as that has become one of the shaping forces of the current metagame. The card can seal off games, or even prevent the opponent from getting started. A card as powerful as Warning should have been Limited from the start. And in this meta, where Aggro Decks are starting to take back control of the game, Warning is too much. Decks these days can just explode, then set a Warning and a few other cards to completely seal their victory.

I'm personally not for making predictions about the banlist, since none of us, in all reality have any real say in what goes on it. All we can do is watch, wait, and deal with it. But if you insist on making predictions, then PLEASE, do not overlook or underrate Warning. It's a VERY POWERFUL card.

-E-Dizzle (talk • contribs) 04:01, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

About Warning
It won't get hit. Once priority loss takes effect, it is basically a bottomless with a little bit more versatility, for a HUGE cost. CardGamesFTW (talk • contribs) 04:05, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Warning is very good but like Duality it's a very stable, non-broken card. I'd rather have Warning then be bombarded by Hyunlei and Black Rose Dragon.

My Predictions

Banned none Giant Trunade

Limited Legendary Six Samurai - Kizan or Shien's Smoke Signal

Semi Limited Royal Oppression Book of Moon

Unresrtricted Mystical Space Typhoon (if Trunade is Banned)

more sets, more fun, so ban Trunade hehe its just either Kizan or smoke signal needs to be reduced, no need to ban RotA, samurais are not only the warrior deck existing if Royal Opp is at r2, anti meta decks will rise again same with Book of Moon coz its not negated by Royal Decree 121.1.53.6 (talk) 12:47, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

My predictions

 * Banned =
 * Monster reborn (seriously, BAN IT OR NOT)
 * Archlord Krystia(Hey look at me, im super easy to summon and almost impossible to destroy, cuz i keep coming back, and i also keep getting honest back. did i mention i shut down 99.99 percent of the game?)
 * Ultimate offering (gadgets = exceeds)
 * dandylion(too spamable)
 * TG hyper librarian (And here i thought it would be a anime only card:


 * Limited=
 * Mist wurm(Ybasically, it almost completly replaced trishula)
 * Dewloren(Too many comboes)
 * dragunity phalanx(An instant stardust if i ever saw one)
 * Cards of Consonance (just what we need, another spammable draw engine)
 * Tunning (Synchrons are very versitile already)
 * Lonefire blossom(If you comboe it with giga plant, you can summon any plant from your hand, deck or graveyard)
 * shien's smoke signal, six samuraiunited, and the big one Shi en,(they are too powerful
 * Cards for blackfeathers (people need to relise that black wings are still very devastating)
 * Miracle fusion(E-heroes fit in almost any deck)
 * Book of life(am i the only one who thinks this is more powerfull than mezuki?)


 * semi limited=
 * pot of duality(Please, i really want one!)
 * Book of moon (Is it usefull, sure. is it OMGWTFOTKOGAMEBRKINGBANBANBANBAN!!, no.)
 * Mezuki(The thing is for zombies is that this bad boy needs to get to the grave first.
 * formula synchrion (too spammable)
 * dragon valley(anyone who went against dragunitys will feel my pain)
 * Reborn tengu(WAY better tham malicious if you ask me)
 * Black rose dragon(It's still a nuke, and a pretty damn good one)
 * blue rose dragon(Esenntly plants now have 6 lord poisons)


 * Unlimite=
 * Necro gardna (It stops 1, count it, 1 attack. how amazing)
 * MST (if dust totnado is unlmited, then why is this still?)The Shadow Monarch 125 (talk • contribs) 22:29, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Really? Krystia? It's good, but it's fine at two. Too late in the game and it's unusable. Ultimate Offering...hell...it's not going to be more than Semi-Limited. Dandy is NOT too spammable...it's great. Librarian again is not super overpowered. Mist Wurm is almost never used. Phalanx works fine at one, no point in limiting-limit Vajrayana if necessary, and anyhow, Dragunity decks are NOT topping. Consonance isn't very spammable and does not need limiting. Tuning may be Semi-Limited at some point, but no more. Necro Gardna made Lightsworns amazing. That and Honest. In no way should it ever be above Semi-Limit. It's amazing.

Banlist Prediction
First thing's first, when I looked at other's prediction, I somehow agreed w/ others. So while typing this banlist prediction of mine, I kinda changed ideas because of your predictions.

FORBIDDEN


 * Monster Reborn - I agree w/ you guys.
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian - It's not enough to limit this card to 1.
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - If you guys hate the Trishula Loop on Six Sams or Dewloren, they must hit the one who is the cause of the loop. And if i'm correct, Trishula is still Unlimited in TCG, right? In OCG, Trishula is Limited, but the loop can still be done.
 * Reinforcement of the Army - This one I think might happen.

LIMITED


 * Archlord Kristya - I don't know about you guys, but Kristya is so strong in OCG. In Agent Decks or Perfect Herald Decks, this card needs to be hit again. When Gachi Gachi Gantetsu comes out in TCG, there will be more GY balancing for Kristya.
 * Tribe-Infecting Virus - No more Priorities. But still have doubts.
 * Ultimate Offering - I'm sure when Exceed/Xyz comes out in TCG, you will hate this card.
 * Pot of Avarice - You now why, but have doubts on this.
 * Miracle Fusion - Darn Hero Beats, especially with the release of Elemental HERO Escuridão.
 * Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor - I have the feeling this MIGHT happen.

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Reborn Tengu - Maybe in TCG only.
 * Pot of Duality - I don't know why. But I have the feeling.
 * Book of Moon - Err.

UNLIMITED


 * Megamorph - Like any other equip cards that is Limited, to Semi-Limited, and you know what's next.
 * Ojama Trio - No comment.

Jampong (talk • contribs) 00:54, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll have to object to your opinion on Trish. If a combo is just done once but cannot be repeated, it's not a loop. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 02:39, July 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about Miracle Fusion being 1, but maybe 2. -- Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 14:11, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

I say keep tribe infecting virus forbidden. They're already making a replacement.--DoitForTheLulZ! (talk • contribs) 02:37, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

On OCG, Trishula Loops can be done even if Trishula being at one.

Jampong (talk • contribs) 03:10, July 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Trish will be/stay limited, as none of the decks that can do the trish loop are actually reliable enough to win things.- Resk ( ✩ ) 01:24, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

All cards on the ban list should be removed from it, whats the point of being a collector and player if you can't use all of the cards you aquaire.


 * So that duels aren't decided by Rock Paper Scissors, for whoever FTK's- Resk ( ✩ ) 17:04, July 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * The game loses its point if you lose on the first turn. -- Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 22:23, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

They could also make powerful counters against banned cards, like "if you your opponent has inflected 2000 or more effect damage during this turn you can banish this card from your extra deck, gain life points equal to the total damage you received and inflict the same damage to your opponent or "if your opponent adds to his hand more than 3 cards due to a card effects during this turn you can remove this card from your extra deck, your opponent returns to the deck 2 cards in his hand".

That way people would think twice before using cards that are banned now carelessly, so we could use all cards. Anyway it doesn't seem they are going to do something like that, ever.

80.103.87.191 (talk) 09:46, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

My predictions
Forbidden Mind Control - Basically a Change of Heart. You can use the monster to Synchro, Xyz, use its effect, Level Eater it, etc. Mark Mares (talk • contribs) 05:45, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

But you can't tribute or attack with it.

Name one time where you intend to attack or Tribute a monster that you will use Mind Control on. Man, you can even take control of face-down monsters and possibly use their Flip Effects if they have any! Mark Mares (talk • contribs) 01:00, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

That's the point. You can take control of it. It's better to be able to attack with it (because your opponent is less likely to respond to the attack since it's their monster/or you can steal a huge monster and hit them directly) and tributing it would have been very useful in previous meta.

September 2011 Ban List Prediction

Forbidden: Dandylion

Limited: T.G. Hyper Librarian, Ultimate Offering

Semi-Limited: Shien's Smoke Signal, Formula Syncron.

I do not think a lot of things will be touched this format. We still need to see how exceeds will effect the meta. I do not like dandylion, it is to broken. It can even be used with exceed monsters and still get its tokens. So if a good rank 3 comes out, dandy will be broken. Reborn tengu will not get hit, coelcanth will not get hit, and I do not think anything from the agents will get touched either. The agents are good, but not broken. I would like to see mind master but psychics die if he goes. Mind control is still balanced. I would leave lonefire alone since he can search out other plants in a naturia build. Dandylion is the real problem that breaks plant synchro, since tengu cannot get hit, dandy must go.

No, Dandylion will not give you a token as it will not go to your Graveyard except as a Xyz Material.

SEPTEMBER BANLIST 2011 : PREDICTION :

BANNED :

- T.G Librarian

LIMITED :

- Prefect Herald - Blue Rose Dragon

SEMI-LIMITED :

- Quilbot Hedgegog

To my mind, The Most Big sh*t actually in Yu-Gi-Oh ! Tournament and which should be banned or limited are Six Samurai cards (Like Shi En, Gateway of the Six [already limited], Six Samurai Smoke and United) and also some Karakuri cards and Dragunity !

But the most cheated card still remains Herald of Perfection ! > This card just make me crazy > 2800 DEF and Negate all what You want, it makes no sense / and also combined to Thetis, to bring hand advantage in Fairy Type monsters, it's just to cheat, to impossible to destroy !!!

WTF!!!???? Are you serious? Limit Herald of Perfection? you Sir have a serious case of butthurt because of that card, that doesn't necessarily translates into that particular card being limited, anyway, here are my predictions:

Banned:


 * Monster Reborn (maybe)
 * Dandylion
 * Brionac - Dragon of the Ice Barrier
 * Mind Master

Limited:


 * Debris Dragon
 * Lonefire Blossom
 * Solemn Warning
 * Pot of Duality
 * Goyo Guardian
 * Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning (only IF we lose priority on ignition effects)
 * Vayu - The Emblem of Honor
 * Treeborn Frog
 * Royal Tribute
 * Infernity Mirage/Infernity Archfiend
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Trishula -Dragon of the Ice Barrier

Semi-Limit:


 * Reborn Tengu (doubt it but I wish it happens)
 * Honest
 * Kalut - The Moon Shadow
 * Book of Moon
 * Destiny Draw
 * Six Samurai United
 * Karakuri Komachi MDL 224 "Ninishi"
 * Fishborg Blaster
 * Super Polymerization
 * Pot of Avarice (if it actually gets hit, this is as far as it will go)

This is just MY opinion, not trying to antagonize or troll..... Lighness (talk • contribs) 06:50, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oh god no, if you limit Treeborn Frog, the entire deck falls apart! Killing a whole deck would be just awful, Frogs arent THAT broken. Treeborn Frog usually needs to be run at three, otherwise it's big trouble. Also I don't think they will limit Goyo, it's banned because it's too good for high rank xyz most likely so unbanning it before it even gets a chance to be labled as super bannable seems like a waste of time Neon Rider (talk • contribs) 09:25, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

My Guess
bannded :Superancient Deepsea King Coelacant (you can easy bring any syncro with that and also the fact it gots 2800 on atk its very strong)

limited:black luster soldier Envoy of the Beginning(it dosent sound as powerful as it use too, and besides its getting sold for a reason)

T.G. Hyper Librarian (duh)

Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (i would say semi but if your using infernity decks limited)

heavy storm (fingers cross)

Thousand-Eyes Restrict (nah this is still to powerful ,im pretty sure not but still,fingers cross)

Shien's Smoke Signal (extremely powerful for a card that is also extremely powerful)

Tsukuyomi (book of moon but in monster)

semi-limited:reborn tengu (3 is too much)

Pot of Duality (its cool but not fair if you use alot a this)

Formula Synchron (no brainer)

Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En (abuise of negating power)

Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter (i dont know maybe)

junk synchro (this might be the most used tuner in the f**king world)

unlimited:bottomless trap hole (i dont know it doesnt sound as powerful as it use to, and we also have solem warning that is much better but still i dont know ,you might need to be a millionare to buy solem warning)

i also wanna say the first person who wrote on this list is very silly at my point of view.really ¨people only use 2¨,and why monster reborn its not that big of a deal we can only use 1,its not like ¨we have too much stuff that special summons¨

Here's My opnion

I think a lot of guys here are so scared of Kristya and Hyperion. But the thing is they are actually the heart and soul of the Lost Sanctuary. I think hitting them would burn all the structure deck of Lost Sanctuary. Kristya and Hyperion must stay where they are.

I also agree that T.G. Librarian must be hit on the coming banlist. He definitely kill duelist. Having 2 on a deck still be deathly.

Bestiari should still be limited !!!! definitely

Six Samurai?? Im not scared to this deck. They might be strong but they are easy to defeat with the side decks nowadays

My Prediction. Even tho i cant believe what you guys choose for the prediction
Limited
 * Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth
 * Steelswarm Roach
 * Scrap Dragon
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Chaos Sorcerer
 * Leviair the Sea Dragon
 * Lonefire Blossom
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
 * Black Rose Dragon
 * Ally of Justice Catastor
 * Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En

Semi-Limited
 * Tour Guide From the Underworld
 * Meklord Emperor Wisel
 * Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En
 * Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind
 * Deep Sea Diva
 * Surfacing
 * Pot of Duality
 * Ultimate Offering
 * Allure of Darkness
 * Book of Moon
 * Mezuki
 * Instant Fusion
 * Genex Ally Birdman

Are you mad?! Coelacanth is only good in Fish decks, so why ban it? Why even touch it? Steelswarm Roach only stops high level monsters. Not incredibly abusable, can stay at 3. Scrap Dragon is abusable, but not broken. Librarian would be fine at 1. Chaos Sorcerer? I can't believe you are suggesting that they ban Chaos Sorcerer. Yes, let's just kill Chaos decks when they aren't even topping or anything. Besides, it's far from broken. Leviair is good and I can see how it could be a nuisance, but it's not amazing. Lonefire would be fine at 1. Trishula? Eh, I doubt it, but I wouldn't be surprised. Black Rose banned?! Are you kidding me? Are you just getting your butt kicked by Plants all the time or something? Taking away Black Rose would hurt a lot. I know al ot of people who use (not in Plant decks) it to nuke the field when things get rough so they can turn the duel around. Why take that option from them? Catastor is one of my favorite Synchros to use, but it's actually not really a good card. There are so many ways around it it's not even funny.

Tour Guide is decent, but it doesn't really need to be hit. Wisel I could see happening eventually but not yet.Shi En? Why would anyone ever even need more than 2? Put that thing to 1! Gale? You must be joking.... Deep Sea Diva? I haven't even heard a single thing about that card in forever. Tiras takes Level 5 monsters, so it's not very easy to bring out more than one. I don't see how it could be a problem. Okay, what kind of crazy ass deck are you going against that has found a way to abuse Gachi Gachi Gantetsu? That card is so weak it's not even funny. Surfacing I kinda agree with because it can lead to easier Synchro/Xyz summons and you can use multiples in one turn. However, to predict that this will be hit this September is a HUGE stretch. Duality is not as good as everyone thinks, get over it. You know what stops Duality? Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell! I can't believe more people don't side it. Pain Painter's only really use is getting out those crappy old Synchros that require Plaguespreader Zombie as a Tuner. Ultimate Offering is the least of your worries in this format, or ANY format. Allure is amazing and slightly broken. It should stay at 1 forever. Book of Moon is too amazing to be at 2. It's stops so much. Mezuki? Hahahahahahahahahah! Are you serious? Do you know how broken Zombies would be? Instant Fusion? I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that it was 2009 and poeple were still using that to get quick Synchros. Birdman is hella abusable, but only with Reborn Tengu, which the OCG does not have. It won't be hit.

Happy to be of service. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 20:13, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

@Person who made this list: You said exactly one thing that is believable. Librarian, and there's a decent chance that they'll only limit it. Everything else you said strongly implies that you lack any cognitive ability or knowledge of the meta. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 20:46, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

lol, Lappyzard said in 2 sentences what took me 2 paragraphs to say! Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 20:48, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

haha yeah you two are spot on, his list is ridiculous. It's like he wants to ban/limit every xyz out there for some reason, despite the fact they are new and wouldnt be banned so soon even if they were broken (which they arent xD ) Neon Rider (talk • contribs) 22:47, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

And not to mention he wants Chaos and Plant Decks beyond dead. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 13:38, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hey people i deleted the Limited by accident so i change the list

Second prediction
Reborn tengu (semi) (maybe)

Krystia (limited)

Lumina (unlimited (LOL you me and the whole world wish hahaha))

thunder king (semi)

Miracle Fusion (semi)

Paralel World Fusion (semi)

Absolute Zero (potentially at 1)

Note: I run the miracle heros so this is not a "i rage hate this deck opinion"

Dimensional (semi)

Machina Fortress (semi BIG maybe)

lonefire (Limited)

Would say spore and glow up but anyone who runs more than 1 is just retarded

Trish, brio (stay limited) They are good and easy to abuse but they aren't goyo or DSF broken

Librarian (limited) good but easy to shutdown

Swap Frog (semi also BIG BIG Doubtful Maybe) Its basically as good as substitoad (at least for this format)

Kizan (semi) but really no need sams have been hit enough

Dopple Warrior (Limited Also big Maybe) it is just as spamable as dandy especially with toolbox and tengu synchro

Thats just my prediction and personal potentially educated guess let me know what you think —This unsigned comment was made by 174.28.223.12 (talk • contribs) 14:30, August 3, 2011

Well, your predictions make more sense than that last guy's. I just wish you would have organized your list in a nicer way. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 20:40, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Thank You sir. And I agree that last guy was incredibly ridiculous (in the kill all plant deck kinda way)

Huguenot.Pirate (talk • contribs) 23:36, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, in order: No, Yes, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, Yes, Yes, No, No, No. You have 3 believable things, so yes, your list does make more sense than the previous guy's. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 00:25, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

NEWLY CREATED...sorry guys my last list was a list of Ranting..
 * Monster Reborn - stays Limited
 * Six Samurai Gateway - Banned
 * Legendary Six Samurai Shi En - Limited
 * Premature Burial - Limited
 * Call of the Haunted - Semi Limited - great card but easily trampled on aka destroyed
 * Dandylion - Banned
 * Book of Moon - Semi Limited
 * MST - Unlimited - hello Dust Tornado is way better and it's unlimited way better as in activate destroy spell/trap and set spell/trap hello which do you think is has more power both are SSp2(spell speed 2)
 * Mirror Force - Powerful but easily trampled on.
 * Skill Drain - Banned - Power has definitely increased on this card because more and more ppl are running effect monsters though it still has effect monsters that can over look it to run its effect: Sangan, Nimble Momonga, etc
 * Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning - Limited - Powerful yet broken.
 * Ring of Destruction - Limited - Powerful card but yet easily slain down in negation.
 * Crush Card Virus - Limited - Powerful but broken

September 2011 Format Prediction
Forbidden/Banned:
 * Monster Reborn
 * Gateway of the Six
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Leviair the Sea Dragon

Limited:
 * Steelswarm Roach
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
 * Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth (maybe even banned)
 * Pot of Duality
 * Archlord Kristya
 * Solemn Warning

Semi-Limited:
 * Reborn Tengu
 * Dimensional Prison
 * Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind

Unlimited: NA (Mystical Space Typhoon if anything)

Ahampster1 (talk • contribs) 00:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

No, Probably Not, Yes, No, No, Yes, No, No, Possibly, Possibly, No, No, No.

God, WHY do people keep saying that Coelacanth needs to be hit? '''Fish decks suck. Quit complaining.''' It's too early to hit Xyz and Tengu, D Prison is rarely run in 3s anyway, and Semi'd Gale is just stupid. Duality is not getting hit, get over it. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 19:11, August 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Believe it or not people, a bunch of cards jump out at me that kill/slow down Coelacanth, Solemn(s), Effect Veiler, Compulsory EVAC Device, Royal Oppression, Doomcaliber Knight. Pot of Duality is balanced, 1 per turn and you can't special summon, which means if you run a Synchro/Xyz Heavy deck, you have to wait a turn. Tengu is TCG only, so maybe next banlist, not September's. Archlord Kristya & Solemn Warning are fine were they are. Too late into a game and Kristya is useless, possibly so is Warning, depending on LP count. Grow up, Warning is balanced, 2000 LP to stop a single summon, and if you misplay, you're doomed. -- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  20:00, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

-- - Dark Ace SP™ ( Talk )  20:00, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Likely to happen...
Forbidden/Ban: Solemn Judgement (too powerful basically means instant negation under nearly any circumstance, wins games when opponent might still be able to pull come back and stops top decking plus is too easily available)

Future Fusion (stops the FTK dead and also too powerful with hero synchro combinations)

Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (for if Future Fusion isn't banned and causes way too many ftks only veiler can stop it and veilers are needed to stop enough already)

Mind Control (way too broke take control of opponents monster and yh can't attack etc but can be used to sync which is the big problem most decks can use this card to their advantage in nearly any situation which is why it needs to get banned)

Limited:

Black Luster Soldier Envoy of the Beginning (Chaos Sorcerer at 3 proves removal isn't as broke as it once was and with it being reprinted in gold series 4 suggests that the card is likely to come back)

T.G Hyper Librarian (yes he is broke but at 1 hes easier to stop if no solemn does get hit you have got solemns and bottomless at the end of the day plus d prison, veiler so on and so forth)

Solemn Warning (Likely to stay at 2 if they do hit Solemn Judgement however if they don't then it should be limited)

Archlord Kristya (I don't think it will get hit but it is possible plus I have recently discovered the honest loop with it, not sure if anyone else noticed or if I am just late with my observation, where u summon return honest send honest to grave for protection on an attack and once sent to top of deck by effect special again and bring honest back)

Lonefire Blossom (A likely thing to get hit since it thins out deck a lil bit by bringing out another and summoning spore, glow up and dandy plus lonefire can then be removed for spores eff and even if black rose is brought out to use his secondary eff)

Trishula Dragon of the Ice Barrier (I believe he is limited in the OCG so I presume it will follow suit here)

Pot of Avarice (too many people run 2 or even 3 for tengus so on and so forth so this pot is likely to get limited if not semi but most decks tend to run 2 anyways even the lesser tier decks that need it however for that reason could get semi-ed since tier 2 decks like dragunitys do need it)

Royal Tribute (way too broke and still easy to pull off in the first couple of turns and not effect the player who's using it which results in game most of the time)

Cold Wave (not as broke as heavy storm so a possible comeback but if this happens then Mystical Space Typhoon will go down to one if not then MST could go up to 3)

Semi-Limited:

Legendary Six Samurai Shi en (At 1 Six Sams are no longer gonna top however at 2 it is reasonable since it is likely you can solemn one or veiler him and then do somin like bottomless or mirror force etc and at 3 it is broke with double edged sword technique however not many run 3 but for that card being used despite fissure sams 2 is a reasonable compromise for lovers and haters of six sam)

Six Samurai United (at 3 it is a bit broke and likely to get hit although I don't think it will get limited as it is Six sams only draw engine if they are not running morphing jar which is never a sure thing anyways, plus its only a +1 there is more +1s we should be worried about)

Shien's Smoke Signal (seems like I am hating on six sams but I'm not but if it could search any six sam it would be broke but only lv 3 or lower so lets them add the tuner and either elder or kageki and at 2 it still allows for first turn shi en which is what the deck needs but doesn't make it so broke with the consistancy of 1st turn shi en)

Rebron Tengu (if it gets hit then of course it will be semi-ed, tcg exclusive so it won't, with xyz could become even more popular since that was it's intention for, tcg exclusive so it won't, if it ever gets to the ocg which I would give another 8 months before it happens then it will get semi-ed the following ban list but at the moment tcg exclusive so it won't get hit at all)

Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier (cause of the Future Fusion FTK if Future Fusion and Brionac doesn't get hit)

Destiny Draw (it doesn't do anything at one and won't hurt at 2)

Gravekeeper's Spy (at 3 is a little broke and will still be as effective at 2)

Necrovalley (I would love to see this card at 2 but I doubt it will happen but wishful thinking I suppose)

Pot of Duality (getting reprinted, those decks that can use 3 shouldn't be allowed to and so it should just be a staple for certain type of decks and of course not overpowered enough to get limited)

Dimensional Prison (personal opinion not needed to get hit but it is likely since its become a staple that most decks utilize at lest 2 copies so having it at 2 makes it a little bit fairer)

Skill Drain (getting more popular with specific skill drain, beast king, malefic etc decks plus people can side this in for some decks and the only card that gets around it is a synchro monster that can still make it tough to get out cause of this card so at 2 prevents this card becoming broke)

Ultimate Offering (with gadget xyz and other xyz decks this card should get hit a little bit although if those decks become as broke as some are predicting then limited it should become)

Dust Tornado (I don't think it will and it shouldn't be but for some reason I just have a feeling it will get semi-ed just like a gut feeling but no reason why it should be)

Gozen Match (a lot of decks now a days can use this from blackwings and dragunitys in the lower tiers to gravekeepers, agents or fairies and even karakuris which seem to progressively becoming higher in the tier list. Quite broke for specific decks and side decks and needs to be nipped in the bud a little bit)

Rivalry of Warlords (same reason as gozen match but these can help Six Sams as well so makes sense to cut down this a little bit)

Rescue Rabbit (out in OCG seems very broke to me especially for xyz decks so makes sense but will see about tcg in due time)

No longer limited:

Magic Cylinder (No one uses it no threat really however could become commonly used at 3)

Mystical Space Typhoon (Will only go to 3 if no cold wave or heavy storm and if they touch dust tornados however either way still possible it could go to 3 but people still may run 2, again if they don't bring back cold wave or heavy storm)

Ojama Trio (No one really uses not a potential threat and even in the odd burn deck now a days this wouldn't be a card they would use or at least I wouldn't)

Megamorph (No threat at 2, no threat at 3 but I could see some crazy OTK decks that might be designed with this and malefics for some reason)

All this is just my thoughts on my own opinions and what others are predicting not to mention what is topping at various tournaments and whatnot. I am guessing since a lot of people are thinking similar, those things will def get banned,limited etc but we could see some things not changing at all as apart from the few 5 or so cards, I don't really see the game being broken towards a specific deck especially as side decks are then built to counter whatever your decks weakness are or to just stop certain types of decks to guarantee the win.

New Predictions
FORBIDDEN
 * Reinforcement of the Army
 * Monster Reborn
 * Mind Control
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Advanced Ritual Art
 * Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier

LIMITED
 * Rescue Rabbit
 * Archlord Kristya
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier(in TCG)
 * Goyo Guardian
 * Ultimate Offering
 * Miracle Fusion

SEMI-LIMITED
 * Reborn Tengu (TCG only)
 * Pot of Duality
 * Charge of the Light Brigade
 * Book of Moon

UNLIMITED
 * Ojama Trio
 * Mystical Space Typhoon
 * Magical Stone Excavation

Jampong (talk • contribs) 05:22, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

is it likely that any sychron monsters (junk sychron, and quickdraw formula sychron in paticular) or tuningware will get hit by the banlist, Im very worried about tuningware and junk synchron getting put on the banlist, because even just semi limiting junk sychron and tuningware or even quickdraw sychron would completly kill my Quickdraw Turbo deck. This is a question im not actually saying i think they will get banned, i just want opinion on whether they are like to get hit

matthew.lightbody@talktalk.net (talk • contribs) 13:33, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hey!! I got something to ask!!
Guys we been all know that Heavy Storm is already forbidden.. So here is my question, is there any possibility for this card to be return in the game?? Thanks.. kerwin (talk • contribs) 15:15, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

If Heavy storm is unbanned again, I think it will probably swap places on the banlist with Dark Hole.Putting Heavy strom at limited and dark Hole would be banned again. Im about 99% sure that dark hole and heavy storm cannot co-exist together on the banlist while they are both limited(or semilimited). I think it either has to one or the other; dark hole or heavy storm.

matthew.lightbody@talktalk.net (talk • contribs) 17:28, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Heavy Storm is prolly not going to become unbanned. We already have enough S/T destruction cards already (2 MST, etc.) --CarelessTechnician (talk • contribs) 12:35, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Possible List?
Banned:

None

Limited:

Pot of Avarice - Very useful for recycling Tengus, Monarchs, Synchros (ie- Formula and BRD), ETC.

Black Luster Soilder - Envoy the Beginning - Not much better than Chaos Sorcerer

Solemn Warning - Hopefully, but it will not happen.

Master Hyperion - Very, very similar to DAD, and is WAY easier to summon.

Semi-Limited:

Mezuki - Probably; nobody really uses Zombies anymore; sadly.

Pot of Duality - This could go either way. Konami may not touch it; then again, PoD gives decks their win condition. So...

Reborn Tengu: Very broken; they semi-ed Destiny Hero - Malicious, and he wasn't half as good as Tengu. The fact that he gets another one when he's removed from the field very easy to abuse and very broken.

Swap Frog - Extremely useful card for Monarchs; Immediately dumps Treeborn or Fishborg, can be special summonmed from the hand, and can be bounced to do it all over again. Enough said.

Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow - Not nearly as good as Honest; which I think is who Konami compared him to. He should at least come off limited.

Formula Synchron - Provides draw power, and Formula Monarchs tend to draw into another Monarch; which they then tribute for said Monarch.

Unlimited:

Ojama Trio: Not very useful at all.

Megamorph: Why is this even still on there? —This unsigned comment was made by 68.222.171.238 (talk • contribs)  02:56, 2011 August 8  

http://www.cashforgamers.com/blog/2011/08/yugioh-ocg-ban-list-september-1st-2011/

Banned: Giant Trunade Treeborn Frog

Limited: T.G. Hyper Librarian Formula Synchron Black Luster Solider – Envoy of the Beginning

Semi-Limited: Pot of Duality Pot of Avarice Dimensional Prison

No Longer Limited: Mystical Space Typhoon Overload Fusion Icarus Attack —This unsigned comment was made by  200.116.151.188  (talk • contribs)  05:18, 2011 August 8 


 * List is fake. Move along... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:09, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that fake list is one of the possibilities ones that appears one week before the real list; remember that KONAMI JAPAN touch the cards who won tournaments (officialy top 4 decks)

My take on the predictions.
I've seen a lot of crazy lists, but one thing is sure: Tengu is not going to be hit. I've never seen a TCG exclusive on the Forb/Limited list before it's released in a Extra Pack, so it'll be about a year before Tengu is going to be on the list. Six Samurais aren't really a threat to the game, they can be stopped. Solemn Warning is indeed a very good card, and can turn the tide at times, but I doubt it'll be limited. It'll prolly stay where it is now. Fish decks aren't good enough for Coelacanth to be on the list, even with that OTK, the chances of someone having the opening hand to do it are slim.

Forbidden:

-Monster Reborn - We have too many SS cards

Limited:

-T.G. Hyper Librarian - It's broken, but not enough to get banned.

-Pot of Avarice - Doppel Junk decks abuse this.

-Master Hyperion - Alternate DAD, and very easier to bring out.

-Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - Well..because it's limited in OCG, only reason.

-Debris Dragon - Easy BRD summon.

-Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning - Won't be as broken as it was 6 years ago now that priority will be gone.

Semi Limited:

-Formula Synchron - Just a guess.

-Destiny Draw - Not that much gamebreaking anymore.

-Pot of Duality - May be a possibility, but that's just my opinion.

-Tuning - Another possibility.

Unlimited:

-Megamorph - Not that popular anymore

-Ojama Trio - Same as Megamorph

-Magical Stone Excavation - Huge cost to get back a spell card, and not widely used.

-Chain Strike - Chain Burn decks are nearly extinct.

-Wall of Revealing Light - You really don't see this card played anymore.

Again, this is just my guess. Whatever Konami decides to put on the list is very expected. Just hope they do it right.

--CarelessTechnician (talk • contribs) 13:15, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

No, maybe, no, no, yes, no, no, no, no, maybe, no, yes, yes, no, no, yes. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 13:45, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

???--CarelessTechnician (talk • contribs) 13:49, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Allow me to elaborate:

Monster Reborn isn't that broken; Librarian is maybe simply because it always takes forever for them to actually hit things that actually cause the problems (Mass Driver was allowed to stay for a LONG time); POA is not very good; Hyperion is decent but not game breaking; Trishula is a given; Debris isn't the problem, BRD is, it never should have went back to 3; BLS is still broken and always will be; Formula isn't good enough to get hit, Destiny Draw at 2 would be ridiculous; Duality might get hit but I doubt it; Tuning isn't a huge problem, Megamorph most likely will go back to 3; same with Trio; Stone Excavation is actually not that great, I change my vote to yes; Chain Strike I will also change to a yes; and yes for Wall because there's absolutely no reason for it to be at 2.

So, the only yes cards are Trish and the things you said will go to 3. Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 14:02, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Before the REAL list....

Well this is my prediction one week before the real list:

FORBIDDEN


 * Monster Reborn
 * Symbol of Heritage
 * Dark Armed Dragon (maybe)
 * Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (maybe)
 * Mind Master
 * Plaguespreader Zombie (I have a bad feeling)

LIMITED


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian (maybe)
 * Archlord Kristya
 * Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning (if DAD is banned)
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (TCG)
 * Infernity Mirage
 * Six Samurai United
 * Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En
 * Goyo Guardian (If Brioniac is banned)

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth
 * Chaos Sorcerer
 * Formula Synchron
 * Junk Synchron (maybe Limited)
 * Ultimate Offering (maybe Limited)
 * Tuning
 * Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier
 * Master Hyperion

UNLIMITED


 * Megamorph
 * Ojama Trio
 * Bottomless Trap Hole

Well folks, I'll wait for the real list and don´t get sad If your favorite card(s) get's touched or Banned

I would take the time to comment on each card individually, but that takes forever. So, I'll comment on your list as a whole: It has things that make sense, but at the same time it has things that are just so outrageous that I have no idea how you came to such conclusions (ban Plague, are you serious?). Skullvarnish (talk • contribs) 15:40, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Brionac is awesome at one, Orient Dragon isn't enough. Monster Reborn isn't broken. Symbol of Heritage isn't broken. Dewloren is. Dark Armed Dragon is totally unused, no reason to ban it. The Mind Master OTK isn't that consistent. Plaguespreader Zombie is fine Limited. Black Luster Soldier - Envoy is incredibly powerful-it has 3000 ATK (more than any commonly used Synchro Monster) and either double attacking or Banishing. Infernity Mirage is almost never used. Six Samurai United...maybe...but more likely Semi-Limited. Shi - En limited...no. It's the search/draw power that's the problem. Goyo Guardian is more broken than Brionac. It has huge base ATK (no commonly used Synchro Monster other than Colossal Fighter can match it) and an awesome effect. Nobody uses Fish Synchro OTK in big tournaments, so no to Coelocanth. Chaos Sorcerer is fine at three, the metagame is faster. Formula Synchron...maybe...but I doubt it. Junk Synchron...no. Ultimate Offering will probably be Limited or Banned. Tuning is not a problem either. Dewloren will probably see a Semi-Limitation. Hyperion seems valid although Earth is more of a problem.

LIST PREDICTORS.... Y U NO HAVE A CLUE WHAT U TALKING ABOUT? Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 19:49, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

My Own Predictions
Guys these are the cards that I think would be hit (very very hit) in the upcoming Sept. 2011 banlist:

FORBIDDEN


 * T.G. Hyper Librarian (this really sucks everyone in synchro)
 * Gateway of the Six (everyone in the Philippines agreed this would be hit)
 * Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth (like everyone said, because of synchros)
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (Why?? Because of its being "Terror King")
 * Monster Reborn (If this would be hit then maybe they would return Premature]]
 * Mind Control (Like Change of heart.. But still its a guess]]

LIMITED


 * Crush Card Virus (maybe or maybe not.. But I think we have already to much VIRUS!! Haha XD)
 * Archlord Kristya (70% sure!!)
 * Skill Drain (hmm.. no comment..)
 * Spirit Reaper (I think no.. But its still a guess..)
 * Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En (If the players think so.. then why not?!)
 * Legendary Six Samurai - Kizan (If Shi En is not hit, then this card would maybe hit..)
 * Chaos Sorcerer (I think so..)
 * Heavy Storm (I don't know why this card comes-up in my mind..?!)

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Dimensional Prison (too spammable?? hmm.. I guess..)
 * Mezuki (Like everyone said..)
 * Gold Sarcophagus (Yup!! I agree!!)
 * Master Hyperion (Maybe..)
 * Six Samurai United (Maybe.. Maybe Not..)
 * Shien's Smoke Signal (Yeah baby..)
 * Legendary Six Samurai - Kageki (This will surely be hit!!)
 * Legendary Six Samurai - Mizuho (yeah baby!!)

UNLIMITED


 * Megamorph (yeah no use at all)
 * Ojama Trio (hmm.. I agree)

For Book of Moon and Pot of Avarice I think this will not become SEMI cause these cards are great staples in everyone's deck..

That's all.. I hope you like my predictions.. kerwin (talk • contribs) 01:39, August 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Personally, I love predictions as much as the next guy, but Kerwin why would Crush Card Virus come back? It's evil, and with Tour Guide from the Underworld, hello Sangan Abuse. If Mezuki came back Zombies would run amok(I din't think there is a pun, but if there is, not intended). The various 6 Sam monster, probably not, but probably their Search Spells. At least the real list is coming out in like 1-2 weeks, oh the suspense. -- - Dark Ace SP™  ( Talk )  03:41, August 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * People who talk about Mezuki going to 2 really haven't got a bloody clue about anything! Have you actually read into what Leviair does for them, on top of the release of Pain Painter?! Seriously, get a freaking clue! Shamus 04:40, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Here are my (probably bad) predictions:

Banned:
 * Nothing...

Limited:
 * T.G Hyper Librarian
 * Trishula
 * Pot of Avarice
 * Debris Dragon
 * Swap Frog

Semi-Limited: OR Idk, just my guesses. MarshTronic (talk • contribs) 05:54, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Pot of Duality
 * Six Samurai United (I play Samurais, it gets a little ridiculous, it works the same as Pot of Greed practically, lol.)
 * Shien's Smoke Signal
 * Shien's Dojo.

http://duelingblog-ph.blogspot.com/2011/08/banlist-spoiler-virus.html

another fake list

Jampong (talk • contribs) 10:30, August 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * lol, 3 Judgment Dragons and 1 Cyber Jar
 * Reborn Tengu is TCG only; there's no reason for it to be on the list; which makes the 2nd list also fake. (The one who wrote the blog thought it could be real...)
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:46, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Pain Painter is very overhyped. ZombieWATERPlants works. Two Trishulas, Brionac, and Librarian in one turn. Not inconsistently.

My Banlist Prediction
My Predictions

Banned: Monster Reborn

Limited: Blackluster Soldier - Envoy Of The Beginning (Let me see if u are still broken)

T.G. Hyper Librarian (Maybe Banned)

-Shien's Smoke Signal (Abussive searching power with ROTA)

-Formula Synchron

-Debris Dragon

-Superancient deepsea king coelacanth (Must be even deck's only run 1 on it)

-Archlord Kristya (Much like DAD but almost wins the game with its lockdown effect)

-The Agent Of Mystery - Earth (Crazy searching power and a tuner)

-Pot Of Avarice (You know what i mean)

-The Six Samurai United (Pot of Greed of SS...Maybe Semi-Limited)

-Royal Tribute (Almost win the game with Necrovalley)

-Ultimate Offering (Deadly card with the release of XYZ + Gadget monsters)

Semi Limited:

-Master Hyperion

-Destiny Draw (I want destiny heroes back much like the new elemental heroes)

-Doppelwarrior

-Tuning (Very fast with 3)

-Pot Of Duality (I have a feeling that this card will be semi-limited)

-Ryko,Lightsworn Hunter

-Lumina,Lightsworn Sorcerer

-Miracle Fusion or Super Polymerization

-Reborn Tengu (Deadly with 3)

-Black Whirlwind

This is just my prediction and i did not pick up the cards which i really hate...

I am a Filipino and i am not very good at english so be Patient to my bad english...

Sept. 2011 Lists Thoughts
I have a few thoughts to counter some predictions I've seen here so far...

Gateway of the Six- Banned I can say with confidence this probably won't happen. Six Sam players already only have one copy, bringing their draw probability for it way way down. Between the amount of spell/trap negation out there, card-bouncers, Giant Trunade, a possible Limited Heavy Storm, Trishula, and two copies of MST, it probably won't move. A good player facing a Six Sam player hold onto one MST just for this card, if everybody knows how to counter it, why get rid of it?

Monster Reborn- banned Again, everyone knows how to play around it. Between thunder-king rai-oh, Solemn Warning, Bottomless Trap Hole, Trap Hole, Royal oppression, Chaos Trap Hole, Absolute Crusader, Dark Bribe, and Shi-En, why get rid of it?

Six Samurai United-banned/limited

I see Semi-limited. Great draw power, but only works with a devoted six sam deck and no other deck format, and can be negated or destroyed by A LOT of cards (See cards that can disrupt Gateway of the Six above)

Reborn Tengu- unlimited/no change

I see Reborn Tengu being TCG only as a reason to stay unlimited way too much. Trishula was limited when it was still in the OCG, why not Tengu in TCG? Plus, it will simply be released in an Extra Pack Set anyways, so it WILL end up in the OCG. And to be honest, most of the cards that have been TCG-only so far haven't really been worth limiting at all anyways. If it gets semi-limited it will set a much needed precedent for limiting version-exclusive cards.

Another Blackwing card

...REALLY? The blackwings have been mutilated. They used to be feared. 3x Black Whirlwind, 3x Gale, and 3 x Kalut was insane, and destroyed anyone who wasn't a Blackwing Duelist. Now they're all limited. The newer blackwing cards have helped a little bit, but they're still only rarely usable! And if they do get a card semi/limited, the real question is WHICH ONE? Blizzard, or Mistral? No way. Delta crow? Easily dodged with a stardust dragon/starlight road/Shi En/dark bribe etc. MAYBE an Armor Master, but there are less ways to synchro for it with Gale at 1. So Probably not. It gets compulsory evac.d or D. prison'd and it's over.

Okay, here's my predictions for ban list...all just from observations

Forbidden: Solemn Judgment (prevents everything under the sun) Mythical Beast Serket (needs Temple of the Kings to work...so why not ban them both?)

Limited: Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning (Chaos cards simply aren't feared as much anymore) Coelacanth (Not strong enough to be banned, but the monsters summoned can be used for Synchro summons, and there is an OTK involving this card)

Semi-Limited: Mass Driver (honestly don't see why it's Forbidden) Chaos Sorcerer Gladiator Beast Bestiari

Unlimited:

A couple notes on other posts... If Monster Reborn is banned, then Premature Burial will become limited, and Giant Trunade will be banned as well. A combination of Premature Burial and Giant Trunade can make for continuous revivals, as the monster equipped with PB will not be destroyed if PB is returned to the hand. If Plaguespreader Zombie is banned, then all people who use Zombie Synchros will need Pain Painter in their decks. Mind Control is inferior to Change of Heart in every way.

That's about it for now.

Pretty interesting-however, I see a few things I dislike. There's no reason to ban Mystical Beast of Serket-it doesn't do anything, which is a reason for it to be unlimited. Black Luster Soldier - Envoy is so underrated...it's a scary card to fight. There are not a lot of cards to stop Shien's Smoke Signal (nobody wants to waste a Judgment on it, Mind Crush isn't mained and barely sided) and there's no way to stop a first turn Signal/Gateway. Mass Driver is insane. You don't have to play two monsters in one turn if you have it. Chaos Sorcerer isn't broken at all. Bestiari...well...seriously? Premature Burial does NOT deserve a Limitation-it combos with Dewloren and Spell Economics even if Dewloren is Semi'd or Limited (so that Symbols of Heritage won't work) and with Mass Driver at two...the OTK would become super popular again. Nobody uses Coelocanth anyway and Dewloren will probably be semi'd. Lastly...Solemn Judgment is amazing. But it's on staple level.

I know Mystical Beast Serket isn't the biggest threat out there...but it's one of many cards that is only usable with a banned card in the deck. So in essence, it's banned as well, because it cannot be on the field without Temple of the Kings. Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning is still a feared card...but not as much. I've seen many people say that it will probably be limited, and it very well could be...but you're right, it's not to be underrated. I wasn't sure of the full uses for Mass Driver, so that's why I put it at Semi-Limited...but it just seems like a Spell version of Cannon Soldier. Chaos Sorcerer is a card I use quite a bit, and it can turn certain duels around. Personally, I'd be happy if it was unlimited, and my idea of it becoming Semi-Limited was simply a suggestion. I didn't say Premature Burial did deserve one...I was just saying that it would be either Monster Reborn or Premature Burial...and most people would rather see MB than PB, especially when PB is used in certain decks. Dragonfyre92291 (talk • contribs) 00:03, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

That still doesn't justify banning it. There's no point making a list longer just to put it there. Black Luster Soldier - Envoy is AMAZING. It has Chaos Sorcerer's effect AND 3000 ATK. That means it will stay on the field for a lot longer if not stopped when summoned. Cannon Soldier is only good in certain loop decks but Mass Driver is far better-it's a Spell, which means you don't waste a summon. It would not be either Monster Reborn or Premature Burial-Premature Burial is abusable with Dewloren-you won't even need Symbols, which would make for other broken loops.

FORBIDDEN


 * Gateway of the Six
 * DandyLion
 * Glow-Up Bulb

LIMITED


 * Formula Synchron
 * T.G. Hyper Librarian
 * Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
 * Chaos Sorcerer
 * Debris Dragon
 * Royal Tribute
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
 * Pot of Duality

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Pot Of Avarice
 * Mezuki
 * Gold Sarcophagus
 * Master Hyperion
 * Six Samurai United

UNLIMITED


 * Megamorph
 * Overload Fusion

FORBIDDEN

￭ Gateway of the Six: Well, with just one of this card and one of Six Samurai united or dojo is enough to fill the field and summon 2 Shiens, and those 2 cards aren't that powerful enough to get banned. ￭ Dandylion: Is one of the main cards of the Doppel-tengu-Plant deck, and everybody is using that kind of deck, so when Konamy decides to kill a deck it makes all it can to do it. ￭ Glow-up Bulb: Same as dandylion

LIMITED

￭ Formula Synchron and T.G. Hyper Librarian: Same as dandy, but without those other cards these aren't going to be that powerful. ￭ Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the beginnig: Well this is a card I really love and want to play it again, besides its harder to summon than other cards and can be easily destroyed now ￭

The Lists go by OCG
As much as everyone will crumple in despair, I doubt ANYTHING will happen to T.G. Hyper Librarian, since Japan doesn't have Reborn Tengu, so Tengu Plants are not what's dominating the metagame in Japan (it's Vayu Turbo). So you can expect Blackwings to be hit (AGAIN), I would also expect X-Sabers and Six Sams to be damaged (but not entirely killed).

They DO have Six Samurai, Darkworlds, Agents, and Miracle Gemini-decks which are far superior to Vayu Turbo.

Also have never heard of Doppel Plants? The top deck in Japan (It won the Japan Nationals) that just abuses T.G. Hyper Librarian and Doppel Warrior? Read up man. Read before posting comments like that.

They don't have Reborn Tengu or Tour Guide. Doppel Plants is a lot weaker there than it is here. Without it, I highly suspect that Six Samurai, Agents, and Dark Worlds are superior. I'm not sure that Miracle Gemini is. Also, sign your posts with ~.

My Predictions
Banned

Hyper Librarian

Ultimate Offerings

Brionaic

Giant Trunade

Monster Reborn

Limited

Legendary Six Samurai- Shi En

Trishula

Debris Dragon

Formula Synchron

Black Luster Soldier (No joke)

Chaos Emperor Dragon (I wish)

Fishborg Blaster

Master Hyperion

Goyo Guardian

Premature Burial

Heavy Storm

Imperial Order

Semi Limited

Reborn Tengu

Tour Guide to the Underworld

Gravity Bind

My reasons:

Librarian is broken. No questions. With XYZ monsters, ultimate offerings is also broken. Because I would like a Premature Burial Format, I think Brio, Reborn and Trunade go away, and Premature comes back. Sams are powerful, but not as powerful as some of the other decks out there. If they wanted to kill sams, they'd go for Kageki, but they'll probably go for what people complain about, and that's Shi En. It would just be fun to watch the price on Trish drop. Debris is broken with more than just dandy, esp. because of that Orient Dragon card. Because they re-released BLS, I think it comes back. That would make Lightsworns broken again. I want to see CED, because it is less broken in this format. No Last Will, Witch, or Yata, and now there's more than one counter for it. Fishborg is what makes the fish OTK deck. Without it, it is weaker. Formula Synchron is broken in most decks, so it will go down. Hyperion at 3 is like JD at 3. If Brio goes away, then Goyo should come back. If Trunade goes, storm is back. And because of the volume of spells out there, I think it's time to see what imperial does again. Tengu at 2 would make it playable, but not broken. Same for tourguide. With XYZ monsters, Gravity Bind could go back up.

Here is what's wrong about your list. Ultimate Offering might be banned but I'd say it's more likely to be semi'd first to see if that drops the consistency enough. That or Limited. Brionac is overpowered but it's necessary and if Banned, decks wouldn't even try to get Level 6 Synchro Monsters. Librarian is likely to be Limited or Banned, so that's probably correct. Giant Trunade and Monster Reborn are NOT overpowered at one. Shi - En...no. It's the search/draw power that needs limitation. Debris Dragon is not an issue right now. Formula Synchron isn't much of an issue either-a semi-limit might be coming but I doubt it. BLS - Envoy is highly underrated and I doubt that it will be Limited. CED is insane. Hell no. Fishborg is not broken in itself, it just is broken by Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier. Master Hyperion may be Semi'd but I think Earth is a more likely candidate. Goyo Guardian...that's more insane than Brionac. Premature Burial is also incredibly broken with Dewloren-you'd have to ban Dewloren if you Limited it. Heavy Storm...no. Imperial Order is the best Spell Negation Card-since there are no "Counter Spell Cards" you can chain it to a Spell Card, negating it at not cost, plus getting the effect of Trap Stun but for Spell Cards. Then, you can maintain it if you have no Spell Cards or let it go if you do. No way that this will be Unbanned.

Reborn Tengu and Tour Guide are TCG Promos-no chance of limitation. Gravity Bind is too powerful with only two MST.

Another One List :P
Forbidden: T.G. Librarian (since everyone is saying it :P) Gateway of the Six (sams already have alot of searches...ehm..dojo..ehm..RoTA..ehm..Smoke Signal..ehm) RoTA (SYNCHRONS AND SIX SAMS) Archlord Kristya (HI, I AM EASY TO SUMMON, CAN EASILY COME BACK AND HAS KILLED FUSIONS, RITUAL, SYNCHROS & XYZ) Dandylion (HI, I CAN SUMMON TOKENS JUST BY BEING SENT TO THE GRAVE AND CAN BE SEARCHED EASILY)

Limited: Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning (everyone says so plus Chaos is getting back in the new booster set) Shien's Smoke Signal (3 Smoke Signal in Sams & 1 RoTA?? WTF) Master Hyperion (easy summoning requirement, big attack, great effect) XX-Saber Darksoul (easily recycled, easily searched, can search ANY X-SABER) Gravekeeper's Descendant (this card with GK's Spy, easy destroy and 2000 att with necrovalley) Cold Wave (this also affects the user so its even) Formula Synchron (ehm, plants, fish, librarian) Ultimate Offering (GADGETS=XYZ)

Semi-Limited: Dragon Ravine (Dragunity can spam Stardust/Scrap every turn with this) Necrovalley (no Reborn, spore, gottoms e-call, hyperion etc.) Miracle Fusion (miracle geminis) Gottoms' Emergency Call (duh) Reborn Tengu Pot of Avarice (plants, fish) Mezuki (i think book of life is better than this card) Book of Life (better than mezuki, remores spore, bulb & many more) Machina Fortress/MAchina Gearframe

Unlimited: Megamorph (same fate as Mage Power & United We Stand) Ojama Trio (giving free tokens for Synchro summons & 300 burn isnt worth it)

33royward (talk • contribs) 13:52, August 14, 2011 (UTC)