Forum:Rulings(black garden, endphase etc)

1. I had been playing for a long time before psct so I've only recently went to check up black garden's effect again. Now I'm slightly confused regarding one ruling.

"When a monster is Summoned face-up, if the monster is face-down when "Black Garden"'s effect resolves, then you neither halve the monster's ATK nor Summon a "Rose Token".[7]"

I had always been following this ruling for quite a while, applying it too if the monster leaves the field before garden resolves (eg. torrential). But looking at the new black garden's text:

"When a monster(s) is Normal or Special Summoned, except by the effect of "Black Garden": Halve its ATK, also you Special Summon 1 "Rose Token" (Plant-Type/DARK/Level 2/ATK 800/DEF 800) to its controller's opponent's side of the field, in Attack Position."

I'm not that familiar with psct but when i looked it up, I believe that this would be opposite to the original rulings cause of the word "also", that it doesn't matter what happens to the monster, the token will be summoned as long as the monster's summon was successful.

So which would be right?

2. As for forbidden dress, I'm curious about its damage step uses. Specifically the cannot be targeted part. I know that once the monster has been targeted, dress can't do anything against the targeting. When I looked up on damage step, I saw this part.

Substep 2: Flipping the Face-Down Monster Face-Up

"If the monster being attacked is face-down, it is flipped face-up at this time. If the monster has a Flip Effect or a Trigger Effect that activates when it is flipped face-up, the effect will not activate at this time unless otherwise stated by the card text."

Substep 2 & Substep 3: Before Damage Calculation

"Effects that increase, decrease, halve, or double the ATK and/or DEF of a monster can be activated at this time."

Substep 6: Resolve effects

"The Flip Effect of the monster flipped face-up by the attack activate at this time. If the flipped monster had a Trigger Effect that activates when the monster is flipped face-up (“Royal Keeper”, “Nightmare Penguin”, etc.), it will be activated at this time."

So if I battle a facedown penguin soldier/sazank/ryko/snowman eater etc, could I activate my forbidden dress during substep 2/3 when it is flipped/before damage calculation on my attacking monster to prevent it from being targeted since that effect has yet to activate?

3. During the end phase if my opponent has more than 6 cards and he discards for the handsize limit, can he still activate effects, both mandatory and optional?

Eg(mandatory). End phase discard eclipse wyvern, does it activate?

Eg(optional). There is a face up macro cosmos and I discard a Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos during the end phase for hand size limit. Can I use the optional effect to add when banished? If i do, do I discard again?

There's a similar question for super rejuvenation too cause of this ruling:

"If you have already applied the effect of "Super Rejuvenation" during this End Phase and then you discard cards for hand size limit, then you cannot draw more cards for "Super Rejuvenation", even if you discarded Dragon-Type monster. However, if you discard Dragon-Type monsters for hand size limit during the End Phase and it is possible for you to apply the effect of "Super Rejuvenation", then you can draw cards"

Meaning you can discard for hand size, then use reju's effect? Then do you have to discard again?

4. Lastly, regarding LADD. It has a mandatory negation effect which will activate as long as any chainable effect is activated(except speed 3). But what about if LADD's effect is currently negated(Eg. fiendish chain, breakthrough skill, veiler, chalice etc) or if it is unable to -500atk/def(negated 4 times)? I believe it would still activate regardless since it can still activate just that it is negated.

Eg. My opponent has a facedown solemn judgment, other irrelevant backrow and LADD(negated 4 times or effect currently negated via breakthrough skill etc). I activate heavy storm, LADD is forced to activate(but will later resolve unsuccessfully). So the chain is CL1 Heavy Storm, CL2 LADD, thus blocking my opponent from using solemn judgment on my heavy storm.

Is this situation correct?

Sorry for the wall of text, just some questions I ran into. Thanks a lot to anybody who can help! Renz0kuken (talk • contribs) 13:03, May 6, 2013 (UTC)