User talk:Cheesedude/Archive10

Visitor stats special page
Per your request, my comment was "here's one that I've wanted for a very long time: a special page of some form that displays anonymized, aggregate visitor stats (browser, screen res, etc.)". If you or a staffer would like some elaboration, feel free to ask. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:33, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Stardust Radiance Dragon
Anyway, I've only started arguments against Project:Translation; I haven't gotten into any edit wars over it. Yes, I don't support it, but I still discussed what I was going to do. You can't block me for "repetitive" anything; control your anger, dude! And, Project:Translation is not a valid enough reason to undo my edit. I explained that if Stardust is used as an adjective, then it loses the meaning of being a name for the dragon; you haven't offered any counterarguments to that. Project:Translation is only that in name; it deals with localizations, not the trans parameter. Please explain your reason as to why the trans parameter name would be the same as the localization/unofficial English name! (I have no idea if it's confirmed.) Simply stating Project:Translation isn't going to cut it. Mad Rest 20:07, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bad news for you, Senior D, Cheesy's a member of Organize who wrote those names in DN. And I would watching my own anger if I were you. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:31, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, and I accept that as the localization, but not the translated name. Those two things are different. The Org (which have stated numerous times themselves) do localizations. And I'm not the one angry enough to risk my adminship by biasly banning other users. Or is he willing to provide the list of all the repetitive, repetitive page moves I've done because I've disagreed with their localizations? Mad Rest 20:36, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * The way you talked, it sound like you're little anger on Cheesy for banning on your account. So watch it careful and just listen each other. Talk before post. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:39, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not quite angry; I enjoy antagonism every once and a while.Mad Rest 20:45, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Then you're enjoying the longer banning if Cheesy made up his mind. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:50, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, I will be enjoying the revoking of adminship if he doesn't offer all the ways I've vandalized Project: Translation's localizations, repetitively moving the pages with The Organization's localizations, or any way I've actually disagreed with their localizations in a blockable manner. Mad Rest 20:55, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * This will be my last comment toward you here - you're actually arguing against the Admins. And you will fallen even lower than dirt if you kept it up. Good luck hold your "ground". -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:01, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, no, you're allowed to argue with admins; they don't hold any higher ground in an argument, especially if they're biased. Mad Rest 21:06, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * D, you confuse localization with translation. We don't localize. We translate shit and adapt it in a fashion that's linguistically accurate. Localization, is adapting something for a completely different culture by completely changing the name, context, and cultural background. Unless there's a precedent, we translate shit as accurately as possible according to all context, puns, and other things that exist. We only localize as a last resort. Furthermore, you fail to notice time and time again that there are a SHITLOAD of puns in this game, a lot of them deliberate. Japanese, Chinese, and Korean have a VERY long history of using characters for different purposes or using different characters to mean the same word. This is in part due to a combination of illiteracy and in part due to a unique culture of word games that stem from Han characters. If you can't understand this, frankly, you shouldn't be translating and the admins have every right to block your editing rights for the sake of quality control. If you're arguing that this should be "Flashing Carat Dragon - Stardust", then you're blatantly WRONG, because "Senkou" is a pun on "Flashing Light" or "Radiance" or whatever word you choose for it based on the context. The "Carat" part is nothing more than a fancier way of saying it or a reference to old linguistics where people used to spell things wrong. Same for Enmaryu Red Demon's. It is not Jeweled Demon. The "Enma" is a direct reference to King Enma that WAS written as such in some texts for all the reasons I've stated, and basically grants Red Demon's the title as King of the Underworld or Ogre King. Seriously, take a proper professional translation course or ask a scholar on the basics of proper translation and the flexibility you have to show at times and they'll usually say the same thing. Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 21:26, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, they're not allowed to block me for that; they can state it to me and I can refute it, but the reason given was that I repetitively went against your localizations. Yes, I did. By posting my arguments on the Forum or Talk pages. When did I actually move any of your localizations? And your card names are mostly localizations with no trace of translation (I agree Senkou is a pun on radiance, but kou (karat) is also a reference to the golden aura around the monster; you can't just pick one pun, and forget about the other). Also, the issue here is that Stardust is the monster's name; it loses its meaning when you use it as an adjective, like you did. I can go into how many of your other localizations aren't accurate translations, which you seem to insist, but this isn't the place for that. Still, there was no reason to block me; I had a valid reason for adding the translated name, and he seemed to state that I've been doing this constantly for days on end, when I can't remember any time that an edit war was started over how I disagree with your localizations. The most I did was argue on the Forum, which I am allowed to do, and it was resolved peacefully. I actually just edited this page twice, while providing my reason, but Cheesedude only gave "Translation" as a reason, which doesn't in any way refute or explain how my reason would be wrong. Mad Rest 21:32, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Master D, I explicitly warned you that we could, and would, block you if you continued raising trouble over this issue. Cheesedude's block is perfectly in line with this warning, and he will not be reprimanded for it in any way. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:35, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict) Let it go, it's a one-day ban if you stop now. The Wiki majority has decided to go with The Organization's translations. You were warned by Dinoguy that if you continued to defy that decision, that action would be taken against you. You don't really have a leg to stand on, it's literally you vs. the Wiki majority, regardless of whatever point you think you have. Accept the ban, let it expire and then get with the program and start working with The Organization's translations.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 21:37, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * They are not translations; they're localizations (I can still add the translated name if it differs from the localization). Dinoguy, you make it sound like I can't refute any of their localizations. I can do that. You can block me after I continue editing even after the discussion about the card name was resolved. I didn't do any of that. There wasn't any discussion about the name when I edited it; he just blocked me out of anger. I gave my reason for the translation; Cheesedude didn't. As I see it, he should be the one to be blocked. For the Incarnate Dragons, when they were moved, did I move the page immediately, or did I post on the Talk page to say that I don't disagree with them, and wait until it was over? And I can still raise trouble over this issue. The translated names and their localizations are not the same thing; if they don't prove how they are the same, then they are doing the same thing as a vandal; he can't just say "Translation" and expect the problem to be solved. A discussion needs to be opened on whether the localization and the translation are the same. What he did is block me for arguing about their localizations, which I can do, since their card names aren't absolute. Mad Rest 21:47, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, this is getting out of hand. D, it's been explained to you (both by administrators, and some established translators) why we do what we do. The buck stops with me, and I'm declaring this conversation over. Cheesedude will not be sanctioned in any way, as his conduct has been above reproach in this matter. When we explain something, we expect it to be followed. Decisions like this are not up for debate. If you continue this vein of conduct, your ban will be extended until you learn,--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 21:54, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's what I feared, Founder, at least I learned a hard lesson from you and Delta in the past... well, technologic, just Delta Neos. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:01, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nope, nothing has been explained. I have been unfairly blocked. If you want this to be considered finished, let the translators explain how can the "gold" pun in Stardust be ignored, and how come it's the same whether Stardust is used as an adjective or as a name, when it's not. Only I've been doing the explaining. Nobody else has. Blocking me over starting an argument is not how it works. The reason for my block was that I repetitively went against their localizations. I did, but only in arguments in Forums/Talk pages. And the case with Stardust still hasn't been resoled until my reasons are refuted (That Stardust is a name, and not an adjective; and that "karat" is essential for the pun). I'm not backing down unless any of the translators explain these points.

Mad Rest 22:02, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nobody cares, man Neonian (talk • contribs) 22:04, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * What was explained is that you had a choice to either start working alongside the Organization - which means engaging in open dialog with them when you don't agree with some aspect of their work - instead of simply continuing to push your own translations on the wiki, or to be blocked. You continued with the exact same behavior, so you were blocked. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:05, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * And I'm saying, when?! Even right now, I'm asking for them to refute my reasons. On the Forum, I gave my reasons why I thought they were wrong. I'm not pushing my translations; it's just that when they offer an argument, it's usually, "The Organization did this, so it must be right." (You did exactly this when you inexplicably eliminated "Dragon" from the translated name.) Why don't they offer a solid counterargument against my points? How can Stardust retain the same meaning when used as an adjective in their localization and a name in the actual OCG name?! It's actually you who refuse to work with me by saying that I'm wrong without any rebuttal to my points. And it's not like I'm completely against them; I even think their usage of "Sub-Zero" for Sylphine is more accurate than "Cold". 63.141.199.214 (talk) 22:11, February 26, 2013 (UTC) <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 22:11, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Read the last paragraph. I outlined exactly what would be expected of you to avoid a block. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:16, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * And I'm saying, you have no reason to block me if I have a reason why their name isn't suitable. Also, see how you completely ignored the point I said about Stardust? This just proves that you are the ones who don't want to work as a team. You just completely ignore any of my reasons for the translations. Why don't you offer your opinion on my point? When Kahu said his point on "Radiance", I rebutted by saying that, "Yes, but there's also another pun in play here." Did I just go ahead and say, "No, you're wrong, and I won't explain why" (The same thing you're doing now). You are the ones pushing The Organization's translations; I'm just offering points on why some of them are wrong. If you reply with anything other than a rebuttal toward my Stardust points, then you're just proving that you're the ones not working together. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest  22:23, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, can you please refrain from blocking me until the conversation is over? We are in the middle of a discussion of a card's name; arguing about the name is no reason to be blocked. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 22:25, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * There is no pun in that gold aura. That's the whole point. The character for that is not Carat per se. It's "Jewel" in its most vague sense if you break it down. The same definition as tama, or orb or jade or whatever you want to call it. There's a shitload of stuff like that. And Japanese/Chinese/Korean? Certain characters mean one thing but are reserved specifically for a name. That character in particular is NOT used in modern Japanese, is NOT used in modern Chinese, and is NOT used in modern Korean in a form of standard meaningful vocabulary. It is primarily used in names and titles as far as I know, and frankly carry about as much weight as Peter as a word for Rock. Furthermore, in this case were following the official manga translation precedent with Power Tool and Ancient Fairy. And Stardust Dragon is often just called "Stardust" as if it were its name in the animu and in the OCG sphere, as if its given name was Stardust, and its family name was Dragon. In that regard, Stardust Radiance Dragon is a perfectly fine translation. Not to mention Radiance can also be used to refer to glowing auras or perfection, both of which "Jewel" or "carat" or whatever as a character is used to indirectly refer to in old texts. The only one of the Duel Dragons that your argument could actually stand for is Ancient, and that's only because it's the only one that the mangaka copped out on and didn't give a seperate name instead of going Ancient Fairy(which is possibly due to a bit of a translation derp regarding Korea's card names but I'll get into that some other day). That having been said, there are a few derps on the wiki due to miscommunication that we have to iron out, but we're getting to it and our synchronization process isn't quite perfect yet. Calm down, do some more research if you want to counter us. Also, wiki guys don't block him for now until we straighten this thing out. Block him if both me and Earl say so, maybe but don't get too gung-ho. Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 22:38, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't address your point because I generally have no business discussing the finer points of translation. I can't speak to any issues you may have been discussing on card pages, because I don't follow card pages and so haven't seen any such discussion. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:36, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I'd rather continue this on the card's Talk page, but thank you for actually having the guts to reply to my points, unlike the others. Anyway, that precedent only applies to the TCG. I agree that "karat" isn't all that important. Also there's "Enma Dragon - Red Demon" and "Beelze, King of Dark Dragons"; these cards all keep their names and aren't used as adjectives, so something like "Stardust, the Radiance Dragon" would be more true to the precedent, and it would actually be valid for the trans parameter too. But this should be on the Talk page.
 * @Dinoguy That's because there wasn't any discussion about this card; he just blocked me out of anger, and because he couldn't think of any counterargument to what I said. 22:43, February 26, 2013 (UTC) <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 22:43, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * To be blunt he was more blocking you because you were being a whining little kid and the org and wiki folks were busy with higher priorities and couldn't afford to put up with you. Choice of words has a drastic impact on how seriously and how in depth people take your word, and to be frank yours could use some work in the tone of voice. Your little episodes have been part of the reason for the lack of synchronization, broseph. <_<;; Also, Power Tool Mecha says hi. There's also the fact that Stardust Radiance Dragon could be read as Stardust=Name, Radiance Dragon = Middle + Family name similarly to the structure of the original Stardust, but you probably didn't consider that, did you. Random note, Middle and Family names actually used to denote someone's house, social background and status. It's valid. Drop it, stop being so literal, and stop screaming about differing opinions. And if you drop the org a memo on DGz or something we'll react faster. Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 22:51, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Senior D, just drop it please, and do it now. Before your warrant got tearing into million pieces and your licence become permanent revoked. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:54, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, but the whole card name isn't its name. There are a lot of cards which use the structure [title] [name] (or the inverse apposition), for example, "Grapha, Dragon Lord of Dark World". If you eliminate the comma, it doesn't retain the same meaning. Only "Radiance Dragon Stardust" can be spelled without a comma. And those are all reasons for an unfair, biased block. If I don't start swearing or insulting people in my arguments, my tone of voice (which you are hallucinating, since this is not IRL) is not a reason to be blocked. 204.93.60.71 (talk) 23:00, February 26, 2013 (UTC) <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 23:00, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's because he's the Lord of Dark World, not Dark World Dragon. "Stardust Radiance Dragon" is just whole different level of the member name. Would he be named "Stardust, the Radiance Gem Dragon"? Nope - I don't think so. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:03, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * If you look at the OCG name, then it's the same as Grapha. Also, I don't have an account on DG, and I don't want to make one because The Organization deals with localizations, not translations. And consistency should be held in translations, a consistency that refers to the OCG, not the TCG. Only Mecha Dragon is that way, by the way, so why are you basing it on that one card? It is outnumbered by the other Duel Dragons and already-existing OCG cards which use the same title-name structure. I'm just talking about the trans parameter; I don't care if you use it for the unofficial English name. 204.93.60.71 (talk) 23:08, February 26, 2013 (UTC) <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 23:07, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Right. I've tried being nice. I've tried to be diplomatic, and it stops. Now. Master D is to be banned on sight in the future, from each account you ever edit from, unless you agree to follow our rules.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 23:13, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright, that would settle on him for now. So you must be glad that I actually had some talk with Cheese in this discussion article before become more of butthead and butthurt all over the place. I respected what Cheesy said about "Stardust Radiance Dragon", as he said that both names are fanslations and that's our only choice to using is the latter, not former. But not only that, I also believed that the latter name suited that dragon better than the former due to the compare of puns. Yea, Jewel has no relates to the Dragon at all. At least I moved all images related to him into correct address as of now. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:20, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * TwoTailed, I'd honestly refrain from being aggressive here. I'd rather not make enemies. And in regards to Duel Dragons. Ancient Faerie or whatever they did it as for the manga also says hi, to my knowledge. Also note that the manga goes wonky with its translations and we've only followed the latest precedent as it seemed to be the most stable one they were using based on Ancient and Power Tool. Void Ogre would be somewhat questionable, but that also seems to imply the TCG's going to go for X Y Dragon for its naming scheme. And your insistance that we only do localizations and that we don't actually translate, honestly feels overly aggresive, feels like you're trying to just get a fame niche of your own, and is why everybody is against you. At this point everybody feels like we're running around in circles, and that you're going to find something to nitpick regardless of what we do. Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 23:23, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I get that impression because you don't discuss the translated names on DG, the Brotherhood of the Fire Fist only have their TCG names listed, and it is stated in Treasured Sword of the Seven Stars' note what its translation actually is. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest  23:27, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, you keep talking about the TCG, but I'm talking about the trans parameter. Don't get those confused! I'm okay with using your localizations, but the trans parameter follows the OCG name accurately to express the difference between the OCG and TCG. I just hope you're not getting those confused. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 23:27, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * We discussed it a LOOOOOOONG time ago then Konmai TCG slapped us in the face. And for the purposes of the actual TCG, nobody actually gives a fuck about what it'd be literally(and even "literal" is subject to context that you honestly miss 90% of the time from what I can tell). The problem with going with OCG parameters is that the only languages where it'd be relevant are the ones that won't be using literal English translations. Korean and Chinese take the Han characters and majority of sayings just fine, and SE Asia is more English-speaking or wannabe Japanese when it comes to metagame discussions. Going with a 100% literal translation for English-speaking countries in OCG territories is only going to serve to confuse people, fuck up the metagame, whine more about "WHY THIS IS THE RIGHT NAME AND THE LOCALIZATIONS OR THIS ADAPTATION IS WRONG" and shit, and that can get problematic. Especially at Worlds. That's EXACTLY why we're avoiding it. Do note that we try to be literal + punny + referency for everything that DOESN'T have precedent. As for the Seven Star Sword I honestly have no idea what note you're referring to. I mean, it's a card that's literally based on an ancient sword called the Seven Star Sword, which can also be called the Jeweled/Treasured Sword of the Seven Stars or some other variation. Both names refer to the same object and both have been used in history and mythology texts to refer to the same sword to my knowledge. Seeing as how it's the exact same sword, we decided to follow the only remotely scholarly mainstream precedent we could find, and went with Seven Star Sword since English isn't a language that handles excessively fancy titles or long-winded direct translations of an SOV language well. I mean, if it wasn't a direct reference we'd probably be more literal but that's not the case here. Where the hell do you think all those Russia jokes come from. That having been said I'm personally perfectly fine with adding a "translated" bit under the phonetics like a good number of the pages have if you could like just ask us if there are any puns or bizarre interpretations you're missing through the wiki staff or something. We have at least one dude who actually knows how to interpret Han poetry and bizarre metaphors to some extent and could probably get you something a bit more literal that doesn't sound stupid in english Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 23:46, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming you're talking about the Shichiseiken (not sure). If so, then yes, it is based on that, but it doesn't translate into that. I'm talking about the note on your Lord of the Tachyon Galaxy page on DG. It is said that the name actually translates into Treasured Sword, and that should be in the trans parameter because it includes "treasure' in the kanji. Translating literally is only an issue for cards with puns. Stardust only has "senkou" as its pun, but I don't get how Stardust being used as an adjective plays into the pun. This is not localization; this is called an improvised translation, where you ignore the kanji, and translate the intended meaning. However, Stardust should be kept the same way, as a name, not an adjective. If you use it as an adjective, then that's a localization, which we will use, and I won't be against it. But, in the trans parameter, everything else should be the same, except for what's been localized. It is used to express differences between the TCG and OCG. Why should we use localizations for it, then?! That's all I ask. All in all, I'm fine with Radiance for an improvised translation, but Stardust is the monster's name. 198.144.116.76 (talk) 23:56, February 26, 2013 (UTC) <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest


 * AAAAAAND this is where everybody else realizes we have a translated parameter in the card pages. Something that's been flying over a good chunk of our heads. Now we're getting somewhere. Excuse my current running around in circles, I've been awake for over 24 hours due to this mess and DN messes. In regards to that "translated" parameter? The last sentence. Our original gripe with the "Translated" stuff was that some of it was too literal to actually make sense by the standards of the source language. So how about we do this for a compromise. Keep the page name as whatever the Org does for improvisations so that it actually sounds like something the card would be in English. In the "Translated" parameter for the card pages, do a more literal translation that sticks to the characters, but figure out which kanji are used, how they're referencing each other and how they're used in standard linguistics, and try to figure out literal translations that are faithful to the characters, but more sensible than shit like "Fiend Roar Deity"(Because seriously, nobody in Japan understands it as that). Everybody else good with this? I'll kill you all if this ends up another shitstorm so please tell me I'm getting the gist of the problem right and have presented a proper solution. ;_; Kahunyu (talk • contribs) 00:18, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

To anyone interested, this conversation should be continued on Master D's talk page. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:14, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Anna
Hey cheesedude we are not perverts what about alexis, it has big chest and yet because anna is a little younger and she has a big chest it sounds wrong. Come on, She has a big chest and i need you to bar the person that interrupted my editing of zexal episode 91 and said yuma had all 5 exodia cards and won. That peed me off and it was seriously illegal with the context of this wiki.--David 40 (talk • contribs) 03:14, February 27, 2013 (UTC) david 40


 * Yes, they both have big chests. I do not see why we need to explicitly say that in the article space. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:34, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Gonna jet...?
So, y'know that "Kattobingu" was changed to "jet" in the English manga, right? In the summaries, I use to write "Kattobingu" linking to the page, but, I just noted on the summary of Rank 27, on the last paragraph, that it gets a bit contradictory to say "Kattobingu" in the summary with Yuma saying "Jet" in the file next to it... Should I start using "jet" instead or I keep using "Kattobingu"? :/ LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:52, February 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I would pipe it to "I'm gonna jet". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:27, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Should I replace it with "jet" in all manga articles as well (like character biographies)? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:04, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:07, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Continue Errors On Card Backings
As I been watching some Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal episodes and there are usually alot of scenes where the cards have the old card backings and I think some of the episodes should be review carefully to figure out which scenes have this mistake. 192.248.248.215 (talk) 04:19, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * But that means someone has to bear the burden of watching the dubbed episodes... in all their whiny glory... --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 04:21, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

What I mean Ultimate Kurbioh is the Japaneese Episodes not the dubbed episodes. 192.248.248.215 (talk) 04:59, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * If you do find those, by all means add them as errors. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:27, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Timelords
Dark Soul Taker keeps removing the Tag Force lores from the Timelord pages, and replacing them with an incomplete effect. Wasn't it consensus that we use the Tag Fore lores for the default lore of the card? <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 18:58, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes it was. I'll warn him. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:28, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey cheese :) is what he is doing right? I mean he adds stuff to Timelords the same as Metaion's last effect is that right? Dark Soul Taker (talk • contribs) 19:32, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Then he must give us evidence for this am I right or wrong? :D Dark Soul Taker (talk • contribs) 19:42, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Took a quick re-check of the effects in Tagforce 6, and the only incorrect thing is the "even if Face-downn" part). I'll go and remove those. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 19:50, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for cropping out the whitespace and how did you do it and i will continue to provide photos and you just clean up for me. It is a even even for us and did you bar that user i told you about. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 04:23, March 3, 2013 (UTC)david 40

Anna
Why you undo my edit about Anna. I compared their uniform cups and Anna's is bigger and when they write big chest on Alexis its fine. Go fix it man, put Anna has a big chest. No pervert or phedophile thing but trust me. I compared two girls who are the same age and body figure as Anna and one has a big chest and the other like Kotori's own so whats wrong. Think it out man and this message was to another user, it was just copied and pasted. He said something about the staff of the wiki so what is it. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 04:33, March 3, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * I am not saying your edit was wrong, I'm saying it was unneeded. Yes, Anna's chest is bigger than Kotori's. We can see that from any pictures the wiki of them. There is no need to explicitly say that in the prose. There is no way to say it without having it sound unprofessional and perverted (regardless of whether or not it is or not). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:07, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Help?
Mind taking a look at ZEXAL episode 93? David 40 said that the Xyz Materials attached to the Chaos Xyz monsters are called "Chaos Overlay Units". Should we change them back to regular "Overlay Units" or keep them as is? Also, he even said that anyone who tries to change them back to regular "Overlay Units" will be banned. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 21:08, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

To answer that question, listen to 10:12 - 10:17, 14:33 - 14:40, 18:40 - 18:47 on this link http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxxgv7_yu-gi-oh-zexal-ii-episode-93-raw_fun?search_algo=2#.UTPXa6KOSSo and i am serious about banning somebody for a while if they change it to Overlay units. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 23:11, March 3, 2013 (UTC)David 40


 * Yeah, they do call them that for Chaos Xyzs. We should be calling them that too, I've simply forgotten. No, no one is getting banned over it either. It's a simple, honest mistake. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:43, March 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool; thanks. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 23:44, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

The reason i said someone was getting banned is because last sunday, some crazy editor/user wrote yuma had all five exodia cards and won and i didn't want a repeat of what might have occurred. Thank you for finalizing this and what does it take to be an admin and how did you edit so many things so fast. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 00:04, March 4, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * Those are different cases. That case was clear vandalism, this was an honest mistake. Adminship is decided through our request for adminship page. Its recommended you have plenty of quality edits before trying. As for your other question, the simplest answer is "practice" and "far too much free time for my own good". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:11, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

I will continue adding photos and you can clean them up for me. No racist thing but i do not know how to clean up white spots or make the photo fully visible as i don't have a webcam. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 00:12, March 4, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * You must have the files saved somewhere. Right click a file's icon and select "Open with", then select whatever version of Microsoft Office you have. From there, you should be able to crop out the whitespace using the "crop" button on the right sidebar. You don't need a webcam. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:16, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

RE:Hey
That's fine. There's always another day if necessary. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 01:18, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Move
So, I tried to move Number 66: Master Key Beetle per its Talk Page but "Number 66: Master Key Beetle" already exists as a redirect, so I can't move it. :/ Could you move it please? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:56, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'll move it. But the translation should stay. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:13, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. But actually, as I (and Ark in NAC) said, the Kanji part and the Katakana part both are identically translated - "Master Key Beetle". It's not two different names, is the same case as Future Fusion and Fossil Fusion. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 17:44, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I realize that it says the same thing twice. That's the point - that's what it says, so that's what our translation should say too. There's a reason we don't want to use it for the page names, but I don't really agree that we should remove the translation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:52, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * In that case, we should leave it "Master Key Beetle - Master Key Beetle", like in "Future Fusion", instead of keeping 2 different names. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:03, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:09, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mystic Revolution
Where is the "Lore Parameter" for this card?--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 18:51, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * On the card page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:54, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * ...where on the card page?--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 18:57, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * The card's effect. The main part of the page. It mentions "Mystic Baby Knight" and "Mystic Baby Magician". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:02, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yet it doesn't mention the fact that those aren't real cards.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 19:03, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Isn't the fact that the links are not there enough of an indication that they don't exist? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:09, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * What? I just don't understand why you removed the trivia.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 19:15, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Because its redundant. That info is already on the main card page and at List of unseen cards. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:20, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * But it isn't listed on the main card page.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 19:25, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Does it need to be? Isn't it clear enough by not being linked? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:31, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it would confuse people.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 19:32, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's fair, but I don't think that confusion would result in them checking the trivia page. *shrugs*. Not really a big deal either way. Re-add it if you want. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:35, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 20:09, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blue-Eyes White Dragon
Did this card appear in episode 22 of GX? The only card that appeared in Gerard's flashback was "Skyscraper". "Blue-Eyes" was in episode 21, but that was it. The flashback that showed Gerard defeated by Kaiba in episode 22 only showed "Skyscraper" as the Duel had already ended("Skyscraper" was being held by Gerard and he blamed his loss on that card).Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 03:48, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wasn't Blue-Eyes shown as a silhouette? I know there was some implication that the Duelist Gerard lost to was Kaiba. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:49, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * In episode 21, it was the silhouette "Blue-Eyes". In episode 22, it appeared to be Kaiba's silhouette. If there was a specific flashback that showed "Blue-Eyes", then I know I missed something in the episode.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:57, March 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I probably just confused the episodes, then. Go ahead and remove it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:06, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Episode 66 briefcase
I will need an image of the cards in Kaiba's briefcase in episode 66 for Card replacements in the dub page. There was a Cyber Jar and "Dark Hole" in the briefcase in place of "Graceful Charity" and a card I couldn't see due to the image not being clear.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 03:30, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would try asking WinterNightmare, then. I could get you those images, but I'm positive he will get you better ones that will let you identify the cards more easily. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:35, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I just did now. The problem is I don't want to keep placing so many message requests on his talk page as he got very frustrated when he found me talking about almost a lot of things I couldn't find on two other occasions.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 03:42, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * If he doesn't get to it by the time I do my next "find images for the card replacements article" run, I'll try to get them (may try tomorrow, depending on how my day goes). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:43, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Eyecatchers
Just wondering. The One Piece Wikia has an article for them. Should we make one as well or you think it's not enough relevant? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:03, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's relevant. Obviously, it should be organized by episode though. If we did make one, I assume each separate series would deserve its own page, with another page providing links to them. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 00:26, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me, both of you. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:31, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think it'd need separate pages though, one page named "Eyecatchers" with sections for each series would be enough. I'll create it then. Just a doubt; in the One Piece Wikia, they say the characters who appear in each episode's eyecatcher in the episode's article. Should we do the same for GX? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:07, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. I just lack info on Toei's eyecatchers and screenshots of 5D's', DM's and GX's first set. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:27, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, just to be sure, 4kids doesn't use eyecatchers, right? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:42, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Barian mischef
The article Barian (Species) history section is not the correct history of Barians. That history is suited for Seven Barian Emperors. For that reason, I have went to write new history for that page. ---highly respect, Stark 02:34, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Help
I cropped out a photo but i don't know how to save the photo to upload it. Can you tell me how and the cropping has allowed me to update this wiki constituently if i know how to save the photo.--David 40 (talk • contribs) 02:59, March 10, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * Once you've cropped it, just close out of the window. It should ask you if you want to save it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:05, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

I did but it doesn't have the correct file type to be saved. I mean it doesn't have png and others. Where do you find it. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 13:25, March 10, 2013 (UTC)david 40

I cropped with microsoft word but saving it is a problem. Can you help. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 23:49, March 10, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * Oh, ok. What's the problem with saving it? Once its saved, you need to change the file type. Use Microsoft Paint. Drag the file to paint and hit "save as". This will let you re-save the image as any file type you want. If its a card image, you'll want to select png. If its another type of image, either png or jpeg are fine. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:59, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

3d bonds Beyond Time gameplay
I had the idea of creating this page since there were some things in the movie that appear to be due to exclusive rules for the anime, but each of the following are just in my opinion, so I want your opinion on this.


 * A card that player uses will be sent to their Graveyard even if they are not the owner of that card.


 * A Fusion Monster's Fusion Material Monsters aren't lost if they are removed from the field and summoned back to the field.


 * Monsters from the Extra Deck can be summoned from the Graveyard even if they weren't summoned properly.

The strange thing was that "Malefic Paradox Dragon's" anime effect claimed it can summon a Synchro Monster from the Graveyard, ignoring the summoning conditions, suggesting Synchro Monsters need to be properly summoned before being summoned through anything else. UltimateKuriboh told me on my talk page that the effect of "Stardust Dragon" is the same in both anime and card game, but even then Yusei shouldn't have been able to revive "Stardust Dragon" as the monster was never properly summoned in the Duel.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 04:44, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's a matter of the term owner not being used to refer to game terms this time. Yusei owns "Stardust Dragon", but Paradox was its owner. The movie did ignore this. I'm not sure what you mean by the second point, can you elaborate? I think UK is right - in the anime/manga, monsters almost never adhere to the "monsters need to be properly Summoned clause". It happens often enough that I'm not sure it needs individual notations for it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:05, March 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * After "Elemental HERO Neos Knight" with "Malefic Claw Stream", Jaden brought it back via "Elemental Mirage". Later Jaden would use "De-Fusion" on "Neos Knight", but according to one of the notes in the 3D Bond Beyond Time page, that's impossible to do in the real game as the Fusion Material Monsters should have been lost after "Neos Knight" was revived via "Elemental Mirage". The Duel in the movie was also probably due to the Duel using Battle City Rules as this Duel occurred during Yugi's time era even though the Duel used cards from the first three anime series, but that's just a possibility(The thing about ownership with cards was a similar problem with "Monster Reborn" during Yami Yugi and Yami Marik's Duel as that card went to Yami Yugi's Graveyard when he used it even though that was Yami Marik's card. Later when Yami Marik used it, it correctly went to his Graveyard). Some of what have I seen in 5D's suggest that by that time, they have established that monsters from the Extra Deck can't be summoned unless they were properly summoned or through their correct summoning conditions ("Respect Synchron" was one notable example of this and "Malefic Paradox Dragon" was the other). On the other hand, the effect of "Stardust Dragon" was probably similar(slightly) to "Magical Scientist" within the anime in the sense that it could summon a Extra Deck monster without having to properly summon it.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 16:36, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Rank-Up
Actually, we do. It would be the same case as using "Rank Up" in past tense and in present participle, like we do on the Chaos Xyz anime lores. We have to abide by English rules; the Japanese just say the same thing in all of these cases. You can't use a hyphen when using a phrasal verb. First of all, it isn't even appropriate to use a card's name as a verb, but when you do, you still have to change it according to standard morphology. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 19:22, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

sorry for not adding it right
sorry cheesedude for adding the pictures the wrong way im trying my best to add pictures for characters but hey as long as you guys Edit the pictures i add its ok their canon and show what is happing forgive my mistakes at least i provide pictures for The Wikia Sign 107Number Philip P.S my Name is Philip (107Number (talk • contribs) 01:30, March 13, 2013 (UTC))


 * Don't worry about it, but do try to be conscious of the double file extensions. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:47, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia
Why is Wagnike2 removing trivia like this? It explained what the kanji on the body of the monster was. It's not speculation. Wouldn't this fall under 'useful trivia'?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 17:57, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Join the chat; I also have an issue with that. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 18:00, March 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, bit of confusion on what the criteria was on staff's part. I've told him via chat PM, he'll stop (stop by chat if you can). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:00, March 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I can't ATM, I'm about to head out, but I'll ask the gist of it tomorrow or Saturday.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 18:02, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

New Post
Yo, long time no see. Wanted to talk to you about putting up a new post on here. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 00:14, March 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, then. Go ahead. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:22, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

But I want to be sure with you. I think we should give Yuma and the group who are going inside the Emperor's Key a name or something. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 00:28, March 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I meant go ahead and tell me. Uh, what would we call them? Also, I think it would be best to wait until the next episode airs, since who knows, they may give the group an official name. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:38, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

The name could be unofficial until we're sure they'll get a name next episode, but if not then I can give them a fan name like someone did with the Martian Empire. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 00:41, March 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * What would you call them, then? I'm also not sure we need an article for it. We do definitely need an article for the airship itself though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:43, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

How about the Crew of the Airship (Forgot what it's called) or something like that? Or maybe the Anti Barian Team? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 00:47, March 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it was "Different Dimension Airship" or some such in one of the previews. I'm not sure that its ever been named in-series yet. I don't really like either of those names, but I also don't have any better suggestions. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:55, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Then it's settled. Unless they actually get a canon name, or someone else come's up with a better one, they'll be known as the Anti Barain Team. I'll start up a post soon. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 00:57, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Next ZEXAL II?
Since we're getting a new OP/ED soon, what do you think we should call the subcategory for the ZEXAL II arc we're currently in for the Decklists? I was thinking something along the lines of "Barian Invasion"? TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 23:54, March 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Barian Invasion sounds fine. Not having an official arc name is problematic, for sure. A few pages were using "Attack of the Barians" a while back and I hate how that sounds. "Invasion" works well though, I think. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:02, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

How about Barian Invasion Revealed since they had human hosts before entering the the human world. They are now invading and it is revealed so that shouldbe the name. Give a feedback. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 01:54, March 17, 2013 (UTC)David 40


 * That's really an unnecessary word, I think. Lots of things are revealed. The arc name should be quick and concise. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:57, March 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool then. I'll start changing it once the new arc begins ^^. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 10:25, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Vandaliser
This person is vandalising things.

Click here to block him now.

Some of his dirty works:


 * Pegasus's page


 * new card's page

Link to his Contributions.

Please deal with him with extreme prejudice.

02:24, March 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Blocked. I'd usually issue a warning first, but most of that seemed pretty clear-cut. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:13, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Pic
Um... I've got 2 scans of BF Dragon's card, but I'm not sure which ones is the best... ? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:39, March 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think the current one. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:21, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Dunno where to put this pic. I have quite a few others of monsters that appeared in the Monster Cafe in episode 92. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 06:16, March 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Uh, beats the hell out of me. I don't know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:14, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Droite
I uploaded an image when I edited them in, but I can't seem to find it. Maybe someone deleted it? It's when she declares an attack on Utopia with Photon Papilloperative in episode 38. I would take a screen shot, but getting a screenshot of something that happens that fast on a mac is extremely difficult to do.


 * EDIT: I managed to get a screenshot, but it's really low quality since RenRei00's videos have been removed from Dailymotion. Here it is: http://i.imgur.com/f6hFVDc.jpg TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 02:29, March 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah haha, I usually have a good eye for small detail like that. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 02:39, March 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * This was what you were looking for, Scarecrow. Can I delete it now? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:33, March 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * We should crop it out and upload pics of both cards first, I think (which I intended to do and promptly forgot about). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:47, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Lets duel on DN
Yes I send you a challenge --195.254.135.180 (talk) 18:23, March 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not on there right now. Feel free to add me on there and hit me up when I'm online (should be later today). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:27, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Unicorn Spear
Hey I'm not sure but it looks like Unicorn spear's page is broken for me. All the data is in there but when I opened the page I can't see the actual info; everything except "read more" and "facts about" is missing from the pageview. The actual data is in there, but I just can't see it. Is this a bug that only I have right now?

69.207.190.249 (talk) 16:22, March 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Its showing up for me. Not sure what the problem could be. If you see it on any other pages, let me know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:31, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ritual Technique
Well, it's important to keep consistency with generic words like "Kaiho", which means 'release.' Although they mean the same thing, I think it sounds better this way. But, I don't really care that much, though; if you change it, change the episode name, then purge the episode listing. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 00:55, March 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, it doesn't have anything to do with Tributing. 'Kaiho' means 'release', and I think it's much too important to replace with a prefix; also, this way, it gives it a more nicer touch. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 01:01, March 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * "Not something anyone would say"? That's what gives it poetic sense. We're not going to use colloquial simplifications at the expense of lingual accuracy. FYI, "to release a seal" is a commonly used phrase, at least in Japanese. "Unseal" implies a more domestic use, like unsealing a package. <font color="silver" size="2px">Mad <font color="gold" size="2px">Rest 01:13, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Translator
Yo, me again. I was hoping you could help translating a paragraph, if you can. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 05:06, March 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nope, I can't read Japanese. Try contacting Ryusui, he should be able to help you. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:09, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 05:27, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Spoilers
Small thing, but many Wikias have a warning saying that the Wikia contains spoilers and stuff. It's not a big deal, but I think we should have one as well, since we do have all the possible spoilers 'bout all series, y'know. For example, if someone who is just starting ZEXAL II searches 'bout Shingetsu here, he'll immediately learn that he's actually the Barian who controlled Faker, which is revealed just, what, 20 episodes later. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 14:30, March 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Meh. Not really sure what to say. I don't really care about spoilers, I guess. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:36, March 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * But, unfortunately most of people do care. :P That's why they're called "spoilers" - 'cause they spoil the story for the person. Sure, as I said, it's not a big deal, but I think one warning wouldn't hurt. I myself, as an active Wikia editor, got spoiled many times as I edited/checked things on some articles. Now I've learned how to avoid that, but still, there are cases in which this isn't possible (like the Shingetsu/Vector example), and most of the people who browse through the Wikia may run into unwanted spoilers easily, mainly in character biographies and Deck listings (where the character's record is shown, which's where I got spoilers the most). LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:38, April 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think that's likely to happen to any given person more than once. They'll have it happen and adapt to avoid it. That being said, I also have no objection to some sort of warning, probably on the main page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:43, April 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Clumsy Kanky-kun here got spoiled more than once. xD Thing is, there are many ways of getting spoiled here, and again, the Shingetsu example, which got me too 'cause I took some time to download episode 96. :P
 * But if you agree with the warning, I can't say exactly where we should put it. The One Piece Wikia has in on the main Page, while the Reborn Wikia has in on the articles which contain spoiler. I find Reborn Wikia's method more effective, but at the same time it's really more laborious, mainly in a Wikia which covers 5 anime and 5 manga series like us. :/ So I guess the Main Page option would be better in the end. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 02:06, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Block
This user http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User:XBrain130 needs a warning for deleting important content and replacing it with garbage. I saw pure incorrect facts which peed me off. Please take care of this. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 19:08, March 31, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * I don't see any cases of that in his edit history. Specific links to him doing this? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:35, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh!_ZEXAL_-_Episode_097?diff=prev&oldid=2399996. I had already changed it back and he put back the same incorrect facts i took out. This is why i am peed off. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 20:04, March 31, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * When a page is being edited by multiple people at the same time (very common for stuff that just aired), this sort of thing can happen. An edit conflict can cause things to disappear. I was also editing the page around the same time and lost a few things. Its doubtful it was an intentional thing and his past behavior doesn't indicate he would vandalize. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:36, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Favor
Can you add the 2500 ATK anime only thing to the Junk Berserker page (tried in the preview, but I couldn't get it right)? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 23:23, April 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Added (at least, I think this is what you meant). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:36, April 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, thanks. By the way, could you change the the listing WRGP and Ark Cradle Wise? Going by the Japanese intros, the Road to destiny Arc only goes to 65-103, WRGP 104-129, and Ark Cradle 130-154? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 23:24, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Zexal Episodes 97 and 98
The effect of Sargasso says special summon, cannot just be summon. No one can normal summon an Xyz, no one can Set an Xyz. It must be changed to special summoned and not just summoned cause if the Xyz is flipped, Sargasoo won't activate. --David 40 (talk • contribs) 02:52, April 3, 2013 (UTC)david 40


 * Looks like UltimateKuriboh fixed it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:59, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Jet!!, the revenge
So, remember that you instructed me of keeping "jet" instead of "kattobingu" in manga articles? Yu-Gi-Oh! D Team ZEXAL - Chapter 013's name is "Kattobingu da!!". It's a chapter name. Should I still adapt it to "jet"? It is probably never gonna be published in English, so I doubt we'll have an official English name, and I'm not sure if keeping "jet" as the "translated name from Japanese" is right, since it is a totally different adaptation and stuff... LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 23:58, April 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just use whatever it says, then. D-Team is Japanese only. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Question
What should we do with the episodes on the WRGP page? The way it is now is rather inconsistent. If we're going by intros, all the information with 65-103 should be put on it's own Arc page (while mentioning Crashtown as a mini-Arc within the Arc). If we treated Crash town as a full Arc, that would be contradictery given it's taking place within the same Arc in a matter of speaking. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 03:39, April 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't actually know anymore. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Image Size
Hey, is there a way to decrease image sizes on the wikia without having to use exterior means? The image of Duel Academy Sanctuary Aki I put on Aki's page is slightly large. Thanks. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 00:58, April 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by exterior means? In the case you mentioned, moving the image up a few paragraphs should let it fit without any overlap, I think. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:14, April 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Using a website to re-size the image or something. And it's not just that, I was planning on putting a few other images in her outfit section, but that one is huge and takes up a lot of space. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 01:31, April 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Other than reducing the px size, no. Another solution would be add more text so there's more room. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:40, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

JPG and PNG
How do I replace a .png image with a .jpg image? --Ultimo Hana (talk • contribs) 02:53, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * You don't. You upload a new png version and add to the jpg version. An admin can delete the duplicate from there. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:14, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Edit
I see the videos have been removed from the article. Perhaps an admin (like you) could visit the video list and see any videos that violate copyright. E n e r g y X ∞ 19:00, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Went ahead and deleted those two. Thanks for reminding me. The rest of what's there looks fine - there aren't any issues with previews, advertisements or opening/ending themes. Actual episode clips like those two are far more nebulous. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:43, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, but what about language? Should only the videos in English stay or be removed (like this one)? E n e r g y X  ∞ 23:06, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Both languages should be fine. As long as we stick to what I mentioned above, there's no copyright issues. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:07, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * And lastly, fan videos (not sure this is a fan video...)? E n e r g y X  ∞ 23:10, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks fan-made to me. Deleted. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:12, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Removed the link because it is broken. That would be all and thank you for the advice. E n e r g y X  ∞ 23:13, April 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * No problem. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:14, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

DM loop
If you don't understand well about the gameplay or isn't interested in DM, then just ignore my message. Otherwise, would you drop by here if you had time? It's not a big deal, but I imagined you'd be a good help. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:36, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've never tried to understand that scene. I just know that it looked pretty cool, XD. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:42, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * It sure did. xD Right after I watched it, the possibility of understanding it never passed through my head. xD Goddamn confusing scene with awesome visual effects. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:52, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Song Lyrics
Hey. Do you by any chance know how to translate the lyrics for the opening/ending themes on an accurate online translator? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 03:46, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Its doubtful any online translator would do that. Someone on NAC usually posts a translation of the opening/ending themes. I would look there. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 11:10, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Just one question though: what the heck is NAC? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 15:05, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry. A forum called Neo Ark Cradle. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:29, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

No worries. How can I find it on here? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 21:41, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * What? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:42, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

The forum I mean. --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 21:42, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh. There's a topic for the opening/ending themes in the ZEXAL anime section. If you mean the forum itself, here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:51, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

I think I may have messed up a little while trying to update Rio's profile picture... --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 18:53, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * The image you used isn't as good as the one that was there, in my opinion. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:12, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

How is it not as good as the current image? --Firered16 SA (talk • contribs) 19:30, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * The end point of an infobox image is show a clear view of the subject's face. The previous image does that more effectively. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:04, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Joe =/= Harpie Lady
I think you're right, because he believed that they are similar due to the wings on their arms. Nothing more than just that because it's very common in all bird peoples. Let's say that Sky Scout is similar to Elemental HERO Avian because they have a pair of wings on their shoulder blades! (Nope!) -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  11:29, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Opening and Ending themes
I don't think we had agreed on something, just that we were going to be more specific on what to put in their Decklists (the Decks in SUN are a good example of why we should list stuff). Which Decklists has he been editing? Also I thought we decided that Barian Invasion was going to be the name for the first Barian arc until we get an official name? TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 06:54, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the monsters that were listed in his Deck from the opening were from when he's seen flying with several of them. And as for the 5th arc name, i'd think including something like battle or war in it would be more appropriate since it is essentially Barian's vs. Yuma and Astral to collect them in order to revive Don Thousand? Legendary Number War? Having more than 3 words makes the arc name seem really clunky. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 13:28, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hunt doesn't really sound dramatic, especially for what will happen if Don Thousand does revive. What about "Battle"? TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 14:15, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Translation
This was the reason why I switched to it "former" name instead of it "official" current name (which was already pasting on the article). Feel free to bring your big stick to him and talk him for that reason why you denied it. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:29, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Nistro and Dextra
Nistro and Dextra will make their re-appearance in episode 103. I've taken the information from episodes 103 and 104 to write new info for their respective pages. If I add which episodes they appear in, would that be okay?

Auke1993 (talk • contribs) 15:31, April 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * No. Please don't add stuff until the episode airs. Episode previews have been wrong before. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:32, April 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * To add in an example for Cheesy; Have V even fought with Yuma when they were in that season yet? One opening showed that they did, but in episode, they didn't. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:09, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Videos
Emmanuel mex has inserted a lot of videos, which are basically the same. making him (or maybe her) spamming. So, I think it is obvious the user needs a ban and the videos deleted. E n e r g y X ∞ 10:00, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agreed with him, that user need a permanent ban. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  11:36, April 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, let's not do that. Let's contact the user and ask them why they're doing that first. Let's see what their response is, I just asked them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:52, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

He's right -
Yes, See all this discussion - at least he talked it out in the peace and we didn't fighting at each other (except at the beginning - I sounded little harsh). -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:48, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Kaito name
I read the edit history, but you only said he's known as Kite in the dub, not the original version. Was there a scene in which the dub called Kite Kaito (I don't watch dubs so I don't know? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 13:38, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

DM loop, part II
So, remember the discussion I opened in NAC 'bout this? We kinda are getting to a conclusion, so I just wanted to know if it'd be OK for me to re-write the loop's description and featured duel on the episode's article according to our deduction. And one more thing: if you check the thread, you'll see we concluded that the "fusion monster" Knight of Destiny is not actually a fusion monster, but just a visual representation of the powers of the 3 knights combined (just like, for example, "Lion Hope Ray" is not a new monster, but "Hope Ray" equipped with "Lion Arms"), otherwise, the combo would make no sense (and Yugi never said eh was fusing his 3 monsters with no Polymerization in the middle of the Battle Phase). Is it OK for me to re-write the Legendary Knights' lores and delete Knight of Destiny's article? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 16:56, April 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Given that they have no written lores, yeah, that's fine. I'm not sure where we'd put the info on "Knight of Destiny" though. Leave that up for now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:31, April 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Awright. I left Knight of Destiny exactly as it is, and in the featured duel, instead of saying that the knights fuse, I said that "Once the ATK reaches "infinite", "Timaeus" absorbs it, forming "Knight of Destiny"". I removed the whole explanation in the featured duel, and left all the explanation only in the notes section (which I moved to below the duel instead of above). So, in the duel, instead of making the whole explanation twice, I just left the "Uses "Legendary Knight Hermos" and "Legendary Knight Critias" to Attack Dartz's "Divine Serpent", initiating a series of steps to increase the power of his attack to infinity." part, linking the second half of the sentence to the notes section. What do you think? LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:49, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks fine to me. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:54, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Druids
How is 'manipulation' a synonym for 'maneuverability?' Not to mention an official English source has already translated it as 'maneuver.' "Manipulating a situation," really? 31.11.101.253 (talk) 21:42, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, I'd suggest something like 'stealthy,' 'sly,' 'covert,' 'undercover,' or 'furtive.' 31.11.101.253 (talk) 21:54, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, I thought everybody already knew. I mean, you can check the block log, and it's completely obvious. Anyway, that IP's block has already expired before, so it's not block evasion. 209.73.151.71 (talk) 22:24, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Dude, he already sniped him down just before you posted that. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:24, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Number Trivia meanings
There are only a few Numbers that don't have a Number meaning in the Trivia pages. I would have an idea with those, but I am trying to find a way to find significant trivia and place them in without them being deleted by other users(mostly UltimateKuriboh). These are the only Numbers that don't have a meaning: "Number 11: Big Eye", "Number 47: Nightmare Shark", and "Number 91: Thunder Spark Dragon". Is there any suggestions you can come up with for this?Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 01:31, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not really. I've stayed away from the Number trivia. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:09, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia
It just irks me to no end that this guy is just assuming we can take him seriously. Sure it may be his choice to stay nameless, but like I said, it just makes him look like he's trolling and just trying piss everyone off. And for the Trivia, how do we know what's fully intended by the card? We aren't the makers. Everything outside of actual stats, images, and appearance is speculation from anyone, even the stuff being kept. How do we really know 102 is named after an angel's halo, or that 44's number is a reference to the Levels needed to summon it. You ask me, you really want to end the editing war in trivia, you admins either delete the Trivia sections all together, or just let the public decide what references could be meant by the cards. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:45, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Look at the trivia for Number 44 and tell me that what's being fought over is not as likely to be true as what's already there? I admit there is a line, but that 50 guy is taking things just a little to far, and I think a lot of others agree with me. There are plenty of logical ideas for what a card's reference could be. I think a lot of us are smart enough to know what could be and what's speculation, but you as an admin do have a final say. If it makes sense, it should stay, but if it's repetitive, stupid, or just nonsense, it should go. Right? Well a lot of what 50 and others are deleting make as much sense to stay as what is kept. Since we may never know for sure, all we can do is make educated guesses. So like a said before, "either delete the Trivia sections all together, or just let the public decide what references could be meant by the cards" the the best and probably the only way anyone's going to come out of this. with more tempers flaring. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 18:00, April 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Technically, neither does an admin have higher authority in a discussion. And you're contradicting yourself. Neither of those were logical by any means. The card doesn't have anything to do with death because Mach is just a physical representation of this Number. Also, the bridge part has nothing reflexively in common with that card. Are you seriously trying to suggest that the creators were doing research on bridges and thought, "Let's name this card like this bridge that nobody remembers"? 50.117.80.77 (talk) 18:05, April 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Do you mind, this is a private conversation. But to answer your question, I doubt they would make cards, especially the Numbers without some kind of reference. Otherwise, the would be repetitive and redundant and the game would have ended a long time ago. I'm willing to bet when they start with an idea, they look deeper into that idea to see what they can use from it. As for Mach, if you watched the episode, you'd know Mach was a knight who rode a winged horse and they both were killed, but were than reborn as Number 44. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 18:11, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

So until then, we just fight amongst ourselves, then? If that's what you want fine, but I doubt this will end things. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 18:13, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Check out the talk page for 44. That Taylor guy's got the right idea. I know you guys want us to use the Talk page to solve things, but people, myself included, are not that smart. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 18:19, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ushio contradiction
This was discussed a while back, but where would you propose to put the contradiction? I suggested the lead paragragh, however perhaps we could note it in the 5ds section. Problem, is I'm uncertain how (not sure how to make a movie work as a reference other then a giant name link). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 18:47, April 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Noting it in the 5D's section would be fine, and there's nothing wrong with using the movie as a reference in a giant name link, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:12, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

5D's episode 100
When did "Wicked Rebirth" appear in this episode? I can't seem to find it there.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 22:58, April 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wasn't it still equipped to "Stardust"? It could be that it was, but the card wasn't actually shown anymore. That does happen in Riding Duels sometimes. Its likely it was added because it was equipped to "Stardust". If it really wasn't there, then remove it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:12, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Sphere Field
Yes, in episode 82 it was said to be that after Barian's Sphere Cube was activated a red Sphere Field deployed. The Sphere Field then expands into a giant "energy ball". You can say from this content that Vetrix and Misael used was energy ball of miniature Sphere Fields and the giant energy ball is Sphere cubes and Dr. Faker's own.


 * Or it might be that we have separate page creating "Energy ball" and listing Sphere Field as one of them. In the end, the Sphere Field is a giant stimulated space energy ball in form of sphere. I want to mention out that you should create a "Teleportation system" listing Barians teleporting ability, Vetrix and his sons teleporting, and lastly the Different Dimension Airship teleportation.

---highly respect, Stark 20:26, April 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yea, I see what you mean but might just be called "energy ball" and "Baria Teleport" ---highly respect, Stark  23:33, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Dark Storm Question.
Sorry if this is a late question. I've already sent this evidence to UltimateKuriboh, but hasnt been online to check his messages,so i decided to send this to you. Number C96: Dark Storm--I'm 100% sure it is a rank 3. If you look at the trailer for episode 102, Dark Mist (the character) uses Barian's Force on his monster form. It glows red, like all Barian Chaos Zys do, and descends towards the sky. According to the anime effect of Barian's Force on the wiki, it says, "Target 1 face-up Xyz Monster you control; Special Summon from your Extra Deck, 1 "Chaos" monster with the same Type as that monster you control but 1 Rank higher, by using it as the Xyz Material."

Sorry if this was already looked into. The video: <youtube width="300" height="200">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2Oc0uCVrtI --— Gamefreak776 (talk) 21:48, May 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * It probably is a Rank 3, but its still speculation. The episode airs in a few hours. Just hold off until then. Its also worth nothing that "Number 96" is a base number not an Over-Hundred. The two previous examples ended up the same Rank as their preceddesors. Black Mist having both the monster and Rank Up doesn't mean he'll use the Rank-Up on that card. He could use it on "Judge Buster" instead and Summon two Chaos Numbers. Not saying that will happen, but the point is that its all speculation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:58, May 5, 2013 (UTC)