Forum:Flip flop frog question

okay here is the question.

@Sneak Peak: Crimson Crisis

Do I get flip flop frog's effect when he is in face down defense position and is attacked and destroyed [while i control other frogs]?

the problem came when i had two Flip flop frog on the field, one in face down defense position and the other in face up defense position. my opponent summoned a monster and attacked my face down flip flop frog and destroyed it and since i had another frog in my control, i sent back his monster to his hand with flip flop frog's effect, the one that got destroyed, but he argued, "no it doesn't say FLIP: at the beginning of the effect so it's not a flip effect. you need a mandatory flip to get the effect and since i flipped it by killing it, you didn't flip it and don't get the effect."

i argued that Flip flop frog's text about the Flip has been used before by Nightmare Penguin and Nightmare Penguin has been able to "return 1 card your opponent controls to the owner's hand" when he was destroyed while face down just like a flip effect but doesn't include the FLIP: at the beginning.

the judge ruled against me that it needs a mandatory flip, so i played it how they ruled it. AND STILL WON! WOOT. The judge is usually unsure of his calls but likes to rule things in his favor until proven wrong by facts, "usually by both Konami and UDE rulings about the card." I myself am a Judge too but I can't do card ruling on my own duels, which is obvious. also, I know this judge fairly well and my opponent was known to make rulings of cards in his own favor at times too because he believed cards are ran in a certain way. it's not wrong to believe what you think is right. I personally think LADD's effect is poorly ruled by UDE but that's another topic.

Honestly as a Judge [though this doesn't matter anymore since Konami will distribute in the USA so UDE judge card means nothing], I think Yugioh is SUPER inconsistent with almost all of their card rulings. but with text that are exactly the same to be inconsistent with each other? that is just stupid.

I just want to hear other people's take on the ruling.