User talk:Shardsilver

Re:
I meant to be clear that all the evidence was not from episode 152. Note other episode numbers as well. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:05, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * My being ok with that being added doesn't mean it's not going to be removed. I am an admin, but I do not unilateral power over what does and does not get listed. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:33, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

When you say to list another episode, do you mean right where I already have "It is hinted in episode 152"?Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:39, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * You would want to list it in the same sentence as when the information from that episode appears (if the info isn't already in the "Relationships" section, add it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:43, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

I put episode 77 and also put (Japanese versions only). This way they know i'm not talking about the dub(episode 77 is completely different depending on which version you watch). If someone reverts it, please revert it back.Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:52, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ideally, the articles should be about the events which took place in the Japanese version, even if we use the dub names. Dub dialog changes should be noted in parenthesis. Very few of our articles follow this format, however, since they written at so many different times, many before that policy was implemented. See Yu-Gi-Oh! GX - Episode 001 for an example as to how it should be done. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:59, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

When you say talk page do you mean the person who keeps reverting talk page or Leo's talk(I already discussed it on Leo's talk page)? If someone does revert should I first just direct them to Leo's talk page(without saying your name)and say scroll down to the bottom and I was allowed, and if they don't care and keep reverting then I respond on their talk page, that if they keep reverting(or keep being ignorant even after I try to talk it over with them on their talk page)than I will ask D-neo or Dino to lock their page for the day?Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 12:35, June 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, direct them to Leo's talk page, so they can see the discussion that took place and add to it if they wish. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:33, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Question.
I can fix that if you want. You can also do it yourself if you wish. The article is not locked. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:15, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Rua's Abilitys
It's hidden power perhaps due to Rua being "immature" up till he fought against Aporia for first time along with his sister and Jack. It become "unlocked" once he confirmed that he protected his sister. So I am not sure if "Psychic" is good word to call him, I would say "Healer" because he recovered his own Life Points, along with Jack and Ruka Life Points, to prevent their death.

I think his power unlocked for short time when he's angry at someone who dare to hurt or at least destroy his closest bond - his sister. As of relating to previous topic (above one) that we were discussing on, I am pretty sure that Rua does fall for Ruka; since Japan have no interesting of "red spring" or whatever you called it. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:04, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and copy what was on "Cheesedudes" page and put it on Leo's talk page so we can talk it over.

I agree with you about Rua, technicaly his feelings are confirmed in episode 77, he get's jealous of the affection and attention Ruka was giving Lucciano, and because Lucciano was somewhat flirting with Ruka(which caused Rua to almost blow a fuse, I still think it is soo funny how Rua is jealous and Ruka is so oblivious to it). Another thing to note is Ruka's feelings are pretty much confirmed in episode 152 to because if you look at that scene, she is actually blushing(there are other episodes where her feelings are hinted, but they're subtle, atleast until episode 143).Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 14:42, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea, at least Rua didn't have courage to plant a lip on her own. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:55, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

That's true, after all that would have freaked a lot of people out. If Rua kissed her, she would have gone stiff after the kiss, and probably start blushing uncontrollably and be really flustered(or givin at that point she is shown to like him, she would probably kiss back).Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 15:01, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * And maybe when Aki came in... see their clothes on the floor before reached for their bedroom. You will know what happen next. *flinched my eyebrows with a grin* -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:04, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Ha, I can soo picture Aki's reaction. I bet she would have blinked a few times, and ether fainted due to being disturbed by what she's seeing, or turn around and not look back because she's so disturbed by what she just saw.Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 15:09, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Or at least destroyed half of that building the Twin living in, with rage-control loss only have Yusei to coming to the rescue. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  15:10, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Ha ha that would be really funny(next comes Jack who in a rage blows up the entire house). In all seriousness though regarding Rua and Ruka, if they kissed back then they would not have took things that far (that would be overkill and unrealistic). They would have simply kissed just like anyone their age.

I think people really need to give Rua credit and stop acting like he never changed, or is stupid(immature is one thing, but stupid is a bit much). I mean he grew up after he lost to Divine (it was slow, but he started to grow up, only in the Japanese version of course). During the fight with Demak he showed a considerable growth when he fought a dark signer to protect Ruka (and after Ruka came back they won the duel together as a team). After the dark signer war he is a lot more mature then before (I think people say Rua is dumb because they watched the dub, and not the sub). He still had to grow up a little, but he was fairly mature in the 2nd season. Take both fights with Michal and Lucciano, he no longer messed around and dueled with seriousness, plus he didn't spin his arm like a pin wheel like he used to. The fight with Aporia he completely changed(Ruka even notices how much he changed in episode 154). So I think Rua deserves some respect(not to mention he is pretty smart in the area of romance while Ruka isn't, episodes 75 and 80 are a good example).

By the way Rua is not as weak as the series made him look. Do you want me to create a new topic at the bottom of my page and tell you why his losses are forced?Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 22:51, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I am referring to the hot act scene Aki just witnessed... If you discovered your daughter's cloth on the floor while she's in her teenage years? What kind of Obelisk's Sake will you doing? And yes, for Rua's arse kicking details. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:53, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Question from FredCat
First thing, be sure to not using Quotation when say the character's name. And I rarely using number in my name (100) so if you can mind just call me FredCat from this point on?

Second, you should get a spell check on your side of this site; I have catching your misspell quite often. But I cannot pin-point it for you; since it's part of your responsible to be education on spelling. (Also since I am writer, you will understand how other "writer" feeling if they were being treat like that when they were being stab by other writer's spellcheck book) - otherwise, it look good, only 1 line need to be change; After Leo gains Lifestream dragon he get's the ability to heal others wounds with his signer dragon, much like Akiza. It should have an extra line - "...much like Akiza, only during the Duel instead of at the end of duel."

And that's all I can checking. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  17:52, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sure thing. I'll be sure to get better and not make anymore spelling errors.Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 18:17, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Now you're making habit to respond on your own talk page, eh? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:22, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just now, I told him about L.S.D. being a Signer... -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:33, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's because it's not Ancient Fairy Dragon's duty to do that. She's only strong enough to kill the Field card and restore Life Points. And that's very little compared to Life Stream Dragon and Leo power. You had enough proof, as Rua can literally kick Aporia's arse twice (first as Lucciano form and second time in his full form) where Ruka cannot. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:49, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

If he takes it out again, what should we do?Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 18:53, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Go see, since he is a founder of this site and can help us much. But I am busy on other side of here... -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  18:56, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Dude, check out my Talk Page, Poirot dared you to talk to him instead of using me in your place. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  19:15, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Rua's forced losses
...You seemed to ignoring all win duels Rua did. And Rua's duel against Divine was also forcing, because of putting his sister in sake and his life is in the line if he had not fighting. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:27, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

I haven't forgot about Rua's win against Michal(I was just explaining the ones that were forced). You've got a point there, it was pretty forcing what Divine did. But here's the thing about Divine though, it's not the same as those other matches(one example is Rua could have played "Magical Mallet" before he attacked Bommer, not to mention we saw Rua's hand). First off, Rua did not know Divine had another Tuner in his hand, so he wasn't expecting Divine to summon "Psychic commander". If you think about it, Rua actually made the most logical choice in that situation if you think about it, because even if Rua destroyed "Psychic warlord" then Divine could have brought out another level 4 Psychic monster and bumped it's level by one(so both current monsters equal level 7). There is also the chance that Divine could have played "Emergency teleport" and then brought out a level 1 psychic monster(remember we didn't see what was in their hands).

Now because Divine has a level 2 tuner "Krebons" and a level 5 psychic monster, and a level 1 monster, he can then tune the level 2 "Krebons" with the level 5 normal psychic monster to likely bring out "Psychic lifetrancer". He could then tune the level 1 "Mind master"(he probably had that in his deck)with the level 7 "Psychic lifetrancer" to bring out "Mental sphere demon". Finally he would then play his trap and Rua would have still lost(the other fights he could have won, had the writers not held him back). I do like that they didn't hold Rua back when he fought Michal.Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 23:57, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Most of the time Rua were forcing into the fight was because of his sister; yes, we both knew that Rua loved and cared about her so much, that he had to tackle the battle quickly. For Divine; he has "Mind Master" as Level 1 Psychic, but indeed, it can be Special Summon via Emergency Teleport. Usually, attack the weak monster can discourage most of the defender's feel of continue the duel, which making Rua to forget how to do it right. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:02, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Very true.(Sigh)that kid needs a spin-off because he really is not the weakling most people make him out to be. Actually now that I think about it, I think they should have made a spin-off focusing on the twins and Aki. Seriously the twins got shoved aside after episode 78(and Aki shortly after). I'm sure you'll agree that we all got enough of Yusei, Jack, and Crow in the series.Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 00:10, August 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Obviously, I agreed with your word - We had enough of Action Hero already and need some moar Barbie Doll in action. *sigh* -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:14, August 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Did your buddy ordering you to remove the loadcrap of chapters up above? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:48, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Not really, but I didn't want to be spamming his stuff to everyone, and being you and I were the only ones talking about this, I decided to just go ahead and take it out(not to mention it was way too long).Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 00:52, August 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah alright, and I am glad that "Coffeedude" (AKA Cheesedude) gave out an easy argument solution. And did you find my comment about "Action Figure" and "Barbie Doll" little funny? -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:10, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

It was pretty funny.Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:13, August 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * But Rua's a male, not some doll girly thing... I can't believe I am imaging him in cute pink long-skirt (fitted for young girl, not for woman) and shine schoolgirl shoe with his long hair holding out like girly ponytail rather than his own. *sigh* It's such disgust image I ever see, due to him suffering with girly pan-* -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:16, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Farther discussion on Rua's possible ability
Your "proof" is no more than mere speculation that could be explained in any number of ways. Stuff like powers/abilities should not be posted unless they are the ones specifically mentioned to have possessed it. How do you know that it wasn't the power of the Crimson Dragon channeled through Life Stream Dragon that restored their health or made Leo capable of inflicting damage? It is still speculation but it's still on par with your "proof". If Leo or anyone else didn't make an exact statement on the fact that he made those things, than maybe it's because he wasn't the one who made those. Take for example when Life Stream Dragon inflicted damage on Aporia. He screamed, but Jack pointed out it was because of the pain in his heart, he didn't make any mention of Leo having powers. So unless you bring me hard evidence, don't bother putting it back up.PoirotH (talk • contribs) 03:16, August 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then explained why Luna and Rua's attack affection was different when they hit Lucciano, the younger version of Aporia, himself? Rua can making Lucciano having some nausea action while Ruka/Luca cannot ever lay a slap on him. That was, indeed, way before Life Stream Dragon making his long-due awake from his hibernation. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  09:10, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

As long as it doesn't a direct reference to Leo being the one responsible of having some super human ability. You can post something like:"Their wounds were healed when Leo Summoned Life Stream Dragon", but don't put something like "Leo healed their wounds when he Summoned Life Stream Dragon."PoirotH (talk • contribs) 04:50, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

I just put it in, how does it look. Remember when it mentions Psychic duelist we're not saying he is one, rather we're simply saying the damage he inflicted both times is simaler to a psychic duelist (that doesn't mean we're saying he is one, but we're just noting that it is somewhat simaler).Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 14:27, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * That would call "Pseudo-Psychic". -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:51, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Signer's Psychic Powers
Thanks to your theory of Rua having a pseudo-psychic power; I just realized something related to not just Rua, but also to OTHER four signers. Beside Aki; Yusei was possible to put an image on two cards (Shooting Star Dragon and Shooting Quasar Dragon) with only his "Mind Clear", Jack was possible to create Burn Soul, not through supernatural, but also through his control of angry - therefore created a card; Red Nova Dragon, Crow was able to created his own card - Black-Winged Dragon from nowhere (which we normal found solution in the machine and have to pull it apart in order to find it, Crow just pulled the said dragon out of his rectum). So since Aki is a Psychic and is possible to see Spirit, much like Judai and Yugi; Ruka is also pseudo-psychic, because she attended to the Spirit World, which further powerful than just see the spirits.

So in order of details;
 * Yusei - Attitude to do "Mind Clear" and place the image on two cards, and do the Portal Travel (which showed multiple time during Tournament) as well as Space Shoot (for Shooting Quasar Dragon) in golden color.
 * Jack - Attitude to create "Burn Soul" with "Red Nova Dragon" alone and possible to have charm for girls (Carly, Mina and Stephanie) which he fell for the former.
 * Aki - Full Psychic, Attitude to destruction (Season 1/2) and heal (Season 3, second half), possible to make card's image become reality, able to see Spirit.
 * Ruka - Attitude to see the Spirit and possible to travel to Spirit World.
 * Rua - Full "Healer", which he could healing Ruka and Jack during the battle with Aporia as well as own a Tuner Synchro (SIGNER DRAGON) Monster named "Life Stream Dragon".
 * Crow - Attitude of being Bird himself (flying!) as well as got Signer Dragon out of his crevice.

-- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:04, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say Ruka is a Psychic. I mean yes she can travel to the spirit world and see duel spirits, but she cannot manifest them like Jaden/Judia could (remember he only did that after he fused with a duel spirit, Yubel, and before that he could only see and talk to them). I think something like "Spiritual" might be better fitting, and it makes sense given that she can't cause real damage, but can go to a world nobody else can (for some reason though, Rua was able to talk to her in the spirit world in episode 19). Heck there are more hints that Rua is a psychic duelist then her.Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 00:48, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I ain't say that she's full psychic - Ruka is pseudo Psychic (half power as Aki, who is only Signer with full Psychic). And Judai can see Spirit before fused with Yubel, such as Winged Kuriboh, Des Koala (belong to other duelist), Ojama Yellow (belong to Jun), Kuriboh (whom belong to Yugi!) and went to Spirit World once for Kaibaman and at least twice in Season 3 (which was before merge with Yubel). As in my explanation; only Yusei, Jack, Aki and Rua can do physical damage to their opponent, Ruka (who see spirit) and Crow (who only done was pulling card out of his rectum) are not at their full power. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  09:24, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

I remember that episode of GX where Jaden/Judia dueled Kaiba man. When I first saw the guy I was thinking "What the heck did they do to kaiba".Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 15:24, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * nothing, he's just other spirit; a confidence spirit, to fighting against Judai. Seto Kaiba is still alive and show up in couple episode (in person, though his back showing) and his name was enlisted when Mr. T attacked the city. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:59, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re:
I think what is there currently is fine. If you want to add more, just be sure to add it in the right section and do not speculate. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:41, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

I had a feeling it was in the wrong section. No, the infinity circle only appeared during Lesters duel (but the fact remains that Leo was the only one who seemed to be able to hurt him, while Lester just brushed off Luna's attack like it was nothing). The Yusei gear made the damage real, but Aporia did not feel pain (not even from his own Trap) until Leo attacked him. Where would you want that other info to be put (if at all)?Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:14, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok. In both instances, simply say that even though all players should have been dealing real damage, Luna didn't. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:24, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Cheesedude, I'm debating if I should go ahead and discuss on Luna's talk page about her feelings that were hinted, the problem though, is her hints are pretty subtle so most probably did not notice them until episodes 143, 152, and 154, so I'm not sure anyone will listen if I put this on the talk page. What do you think we can do? I was thinking that maybe we could put in Luna's article, in her relationship section of Leo something like "It is hinted in episodes 143, 152 and 154 (Japanese versions only) that she may have feelings for Leo (it is to be noted however that her hints are subtle)".

Don't get me wrong, It's not like we support incest in real life, but this stuff was hinted on the show, and should be mentioned. Another thing, if they were not giving some kind of hint on Ruka's side in both episodes 143 and 152, they would not have made her look at Rua with a look that is easily infatuation (it is to be noted she did not look at even Lucciano with such a look) in episode 143, or had her blush after Rua turned away flustered in 152 (remember blushes are always brief when it comes to the world of anime, and ussually hint at the characters liking each other). In episode 154 there is a scene in the time-skip that hints her feelings(it is very subtle though, so most could overlook it). A couple of guys blush at Ruka and stare at her, but she doesn't even so much as glance at them, and keeps her focus on Rua(which does seem to imply that she only has feelings for Rua, or they did confess, but are keeping their relationship a secret). Another hint in that episode that is overlooked is that Ruka gives Rua a lot of unusual praise, she says how much Rua changed at least 3 times in a row, and even says "You're more of a man now" she never even reffered to Lucciano as "A man", and she all of a sudden called Rua "Onii-chan" which means big brother. Here is one of the very hard to notice hints. In episode 78 when the Crimson Dragon saves Rua, Ruka says something like "What was that feeling that I felt from my heart" as she thinks this, she has her hand cluched where her heart is, which seems to hint that she is developing feelings for Rua, or she does but doesn't know it (the dub version completely changed her dialog and hint). Episode 70 is the most subtle/hard to spot hint. When she get's lost she calls Tenpie and Rua's name. Now when she is about to be attacked by the evil spirits, she calls Rua's name(note she doesn't call Tenpie this time) and then closes her eyes and begs for Rua to come save her (see what I mean, her hints are very subtle so most probably did not notice them). The dub version changed her dialog and hint, and made her say "Leo, Dexter, someone please help me".

What do you think, do I have enough hints to stick this in her biograghy relationship section of Leo? And what do you think of any of this (So we can put it on the talk page)?Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 14:08, August 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Once again, I would go ahead and add it, just be sure to reference it as well. I consider this no different than if we were mention all the Judai/Johan subtext in those articles. Also, you do not have to ask for my permission. If someone has a problem with what you add (myself included), they would revert it or leave you a message. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:08, August 19, 2011 (UTC)