Forum:Is destroying a monster with an effect the same as removing them with a monster effect?

I want to know if a monster is removed from played by a monster's effect is it the same as destroying.For example, if stardust is removed from play by a monster's effect is it the same as destroying so you can use stardust effect.Because of how black luster soldier-envoy of beginning was banned by using its effect to removing sacred phoenix of nephthys, the effect of the phoenix activates even though it says that if it is destroyed by a card effect special summon it during your next stamby phase, when it is special summon destroyed all spells and traps on the field.