Forum:Cards that should be limited or forbidden

It's me Fallensilence again and I was wondering what card should be limited or forbidden. I think Burden of the Mighty should be one. Leave your interesting responses for what card should be limited or banned. Your response can also be a card on the forbidden or limited list and why you don't want it on the list. Hopefully you guys know what I'm talking about or I will kick you. - Fallensilence

Burden of the Mighty? Just as needed to be limited as Solidarity.. I think Pot of Greed and Monster Reborn should be brought back to limited status. Judgment Dragon should be limited though. Thorn of RosenYubel 23:17, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Burden of the Mighty is annoying, but that's about it. Trishula, obv, needs to be limited, but that's just a matter of time. They're letting Infernities have their fun until the next ban list. It's a shame the TCG won't get to use x3 Trishula. I'd like to see Pot of Greed back, as well, too.--YamiWheeler 23:21, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

And we still wonder why JD stay at 2 while LS Lumina being cut down to 1. shouldn't it be the opposite? Neos lover 09:32, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Konami hit LS too hard.... they should at least semi Lumina or Charge and Semi Necro Gardna 118.136.151.10 10:29, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

burden is just annoying, solidarty is bit more a more annoying IMO, pot will never come back, reborn maybe but highly doubt it soon, Yes, I think trishula should be limited when released, battle fader should be limited or semi, Rota should go back to 2, stardust maybe semi, d-prison maybe semi, snipe hunter shouldnt be limited IMO, put it at 3, I dont think it really matter now, exodia pieces too though i doubt anyone will run mor ethan 1, I want tsukiyomi limited, restrict infernty and x-saber cards, thats all i can think of.

You want to restrict Infernity but have Snipe Hunter at 3? isn't that counter productive...?-||||

Honest should be limited as well. trishula banned, and infernity and x-saber restricted in some way. Thorn of RosenYubel 15:42, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Do you really want Trishula to be forbidden before it even hits the TCG scene?--Hide Head Turtle 16:10, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * The unfortunate players who have been hit with it in the OCG can testify to its horrible power. Well, at least Limit it or something. Triple Trish is simply too painful! --Gadjiltron 10:32, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Amen to that. I wish that they release it in the TCG but Limited as soon as it comes out.--Hide Head Turtle 10:54, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Rescue Cat in my opinion is just too powerful especially with the new X-Saber archtype, it should be banned. --ME!!!!!!!!!! 16:40, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

You want Battle Fader limited? Really? Battle Fader helps against so many of the major archetypes that dominate the game. Restrict every single Tier 1 and 1.5 archetype and THEN you can justify restricting Battle Fader. Anyway, restricting cards just because they're annoying is stupid. And Snipe Hunter really isn't any less dangerous than it always has been. It still gets past Stardust Dragon because it's not guaranteed to destroy anything. And who runs more than 2 Stardusts anyway?--YamiWheeler 17:08, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Rescue Cat should be banned. It's almost no better then Pot of Greed really. A -1, then a +2, thinning the deck by two cards just like PoG. Actually, in many ways it's better. Easily searched through Summoner Monk, Giant Rat, or Sangan. It's basically an instant synchro summon. AND, if anyone hasn't noticed, quite a few of the top tier decks use it, 3 if I'm correct. I wouldn't be surprised to see this card on the forbidden list next format. --Envoy of Love and Justice 06:26, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ummm...Rescue Cat is already Limited in all formats so the only type of duelist that run 3 of it are cheaters.--Hide Head Turtle 07:36, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

I rather think judgement Dragon should be banned alltogether,in many cases once its out its pretty much similiar to a yatagarasu lockdown in the fact only way to kill it is with a few spell cards or monster effects,i see no problems with other lightsworn cards,i agree they should bring back pot of greed and monster reborn as anyone has access to them so its fair,i know a lot of people use blackwings but they pretty much wiped out all their tuner monsters and id have to say thats a bit unfair,tsukoyomi isn't an all powerful gamebreaking card idk why its still banned theres cheaper cards out there like neo-spacian grand mole or gorz emmisary of darkness,they should also bring back dark magician of chaos and not limit goyo guardian,though brionac should just be banned since it can win on its own.--Raventheblack 11:45, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

I believe that frankly, if they banned Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End, they should certainly be banning or at least Limiting Judgment Dragon, whose abilities are quite similar; only real difference is that CED - EotE deals damage via its effect(which Judgment Dragon does with direct attacks since it DOESN'T HAVE TO LEAVE THE FIELD.) and wipes out the hands, which isn't always a big deal anyway, particularly against Infernity decks. The other Lightsworns aren't really that broken though, so Lumina should be Semi'd. Brionac better get either Limited or Banned, it can basically be summoned no sweat via Rescue Cat and/or Summoner Monk, Burden of the Mighty should be Limited, and Blackwing Armor Master should be Limited or Banned. Monster Reborn shold be Limited, and personally I'd prefer it if Pot of Greed be Limited and Rescue Cat Banned. PHASE 19:03, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

I say we keep Advanced Ritual Art limited, but Demise, King of Armageddon shouldn't even be banned at all. With Advanced at limited, you'd have to fill up the deck with at least 1 other copy of End of the World making your deck +1 card bigger, and with cards like Necro Gardna, Battle Fader, and Gorz the Emissary of Darkness being able to stop the Demise OTK, why shouldn't Demise be brought off the Ban list all together, even with it currenlty semi-limited

How many times have you faced a double JD drop and groaned as they wiped out your LP and never had a chance against it? To heck with the risk factor in Lightsworns, they come equipped with ways to fish their JDs back! Gorz and Battlefader can stop it, yeah, but they'll just blow up the field again. It should get Limited or something. --Gadjiltron 10:35, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

I really don't believe you lots are all complaining about JD when their is card like Gladiator Beast Gyzarus, its like the most annoying card ever. Its summoning conditions are way to easy its silly and its effect is like a mini JD apart from no cost to use the effect. Then after they destroy two cards and attack you directly, they spilt it into two again and summon Gladiator Beast Heraklinos which kinda means you cant do anything after hes out. There just all way to overpowered its actualy silly how over powered Blackwings and G.Bs are and I don't want to make any of those deck cause there just so cheap. Do you lots get me ?

Yes, yes, Gyzarus is annoying, but at least there is usually one of him out at any one time (since Bestiari is Limited), and you can (almost) predict and permanently prevent its Summon by Bottomless'ing Bestiari, or something to that effect. JD comes in at no warning at all, and as far as the cost is concerned, 1000 LP is usually nothing unless the player has been pushed to lower than that amount (which is an unlikely case). Also, double JD drops are just really cheap, as described above. --Gadjiltron 12:38, May 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * So far into this format, this is what I think:
 * Infernity Launcher - Limited or Semi-Limited at least (Triple Mist Wurm is bad, how about Triple Trish. and then there's first Launcher to Nuke, loop, second and third to swarm and OTK)
 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - Limited (A few decks can do Triple Trish combo, if they pull it off (quite easily in Infernities) then they've basically won)
 * Judgment Dragon - Limited (As mentioned before, double JD is broken, especially with Beckoning Light)
 * Dandylion - Limited (Reusable multiple times in many decks)
 * Elemental Hero Absolute Zero - Semi-Limited (Fuse EHAZ with EHAZ, attack, repeat for game)
 * Necro Gardna - Semi-Limited (Doesn't really matter with Trish out there, and Burial is Limited)
 * Falzar FZ 10:57, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

XX-Saber Boggart Knight.
XX-Saber Boggart Knight is a bitch. Instant synchro, it should be limited.--Airbellum 22:12, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * You've obviously never heard of Marauding Captain, have you? Zeroblizzard 01:47, May 23, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

Chaos-End Master pretty much does the same thing.Raventheblack 23:56, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Cyber Eltanin
Cyber Eltanin should be BANNED. You can use Future Fusion to send all required cards to the graveyard, preparing to summon Chimeratech Overdragon at the same time. This combo is UNFAIR.

Objection! Eltanin doesn't wipe out face-down monsters or set S/Ts. If you're getting your ass kicked by it repeatedly, it's because your opponent is knowing the correct times to summon it. Additionally, Chimeratech Overdragon cleans out the rest of your field when it's Fusion Summoned, so if it were summoned via Future Fusion it would end up destroying itself. For the record, Overload Fusion is not in the question since you'd have removed all the required cards from play for Eltanin's summon, too. --Gadjiltron 01:24, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * OMG. Absolutely correct. Zeroblizzard 01:49, May 23, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

GOYO
Without a doubt Goyo Guardian must/ has to be banned, Its way too easy to summon, and with an effect that takes your opponents monsters and doesn't even negate their effects is silly. I was dueling my mate with my Dark Gaia Otk and Thought I would summon demise wipe their field and attack directly but i couldnt summon dark gaia cause i didnt have any fusions in my hand. Anyway they used armaggdeon knight to get PlagueSpreader in the grave then they syncro summoned Goyo, Destroyed my demise had it on thier field and I couldnt do anything. It should at least negate their effects. Does anyone agree ?

Making goyo guardian negate the effects of monsters it destroys is the dumbest idea i have heard in a long time if he had that addional abilty when he attacks facedown monsters like Ryko,Lightsworn Hunter or Man-eater bug unable to use their effects to destroy it,its like having in addtion to its own beastly effect also having dark ruler hades effect and that would just downright be a scary thought.--Raventheblack 14:39, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

No Raventheblack you TOTALLY miss understood what I meant. I meant when he summons them back to his side of the field they lose their effects. I was just complaining about him why would I mean give him more power, Think about it.

WHY??????????????????????
When i started to get into Yu-Gi-Oh i thought that the object was to make your deck the strongest you can, so that you can beat everyone you can. Well i guess i was F******* wrong. Why make the D**** cards if they are going to be banned. I went through my deck today and i took out a total of twenty cards. WTF! I agree with the whole limiting idea but why ban the cards. Every card has a flaw that can be used, for instance: Chaos Emperor dragon- Envoy of the End's effect can be stopped with Shadow imprisoning mirror! Just because people don't have the right cards to beat you doesn't mean they should make you take out the cards, they should change there deck so they have a better chance against you instead of complaining.

~THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED FOR THE COMPANY~


 * Wow.... You know that Shadow can stop Chaos Emperor Dragon, but Mystical Space Typhoon or Seven Tools of Bandit can murder it. Also those cards are very limited to little bit, so it's impossible to get it out at right time. But I still think CED-EotE still should be ban due to it removed effect (one dark and one light) is cheap. Unless those ban cards have become nerf (as CED-EotE's removed effect reduced to only Dragon and BLS-EotB reduced to only Warrior and do once per duel) then they can become limited again. --FredCat100 21:03, June 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, there was a time before the game had the Forbidden List. Dark Hole, Harpie's Feather Duster, Raigeki, each had their time to run free, though at one copy. They didn't have the foresight (or the playtesting) to know that some cards would break the game this badly. IOC rolled around and the CED Yata-Lock proved fatal, leading to Forbidden List we see today. --Gadjiltron 13:43, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

WHY??????????????????????
It's not just Chaos its all cards people need to quit complaining about other peoples decks are to strong and go out and get better cards (which would help the company buy making people buy more cards).


 * The only cards that should be Limited are Substitoad (Frog FTK/Monarch), Infernity Launcher, XX-Saber Darksoul, Trishula, Super Rejuvenation (Dragon Exodia FTK), Blackwing - Blizzard the Far North, and Machina Fortress. Also, Faultroll and should be Semi-Limited. If those things happen, the metagame should become balanced. 01:02, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

THIS SHOULD BE HIT!!!
FORBIDDEN


 * Battle Fader(I HATE THIS CARD!!!What's the sense of dueling anymore, if every deck I see have this card 2 at there decks!?)
 * Sangan(but if Battle Fader is forbidden, this card can remain at 1.)

LIMITED


 * Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
 * Infernity Archfiend
 * Infernity Launcher

SEMI-LIMITED


 * Infernity Necromancer(i think)
 * Machina Fortress(depends)

-only an opinion.

Jampong 02:30, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, a lot of burning vengeance. BEWK, Dragon Exodia aren't really strong and Super Rejuvenation isn't really broken. Why would want that on the banlist? Jampong, Battle Fader maybe but Sangan should never be forbidden. If we don't have that, every deck will be screwed if the only type of searchers are type or archtype specific.--Hide Head Turtle 02:43, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

-Sangan can search Battle Fader, and also the upcoming Battle Fader-like effect in the STBL.

Jampong 04:38, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

What I'm saying is that Sangan can't be Forbidden just for that. What about Synchro decks searching for tuners? what about Cheap Exodia? What about Empty Jar Decks? They also need something to search.--Hide Head Turtle 04:42, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you ever seen a Dragon Exodia deck? It can win in a turn or two. FTKs with it are not unusual. You basically play solitaire with the deck and win. Just one example. Here is another. As you can see, they both win on the first turn, even though the first example is in a metaphorical duel. There are many more examples. 19:48, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Man you all need to lay off them Inferinty cards they just barely came out and if your all scared of someone with a deck that works only when their hand is empty,then you left your guts at home and your sounding like a little whiner its embarrsing.Also Trishula in case anyone forget takes at least a minimum of 3 monsters to bring out which is a lot for a one time effect that doesnt clear the field its a good effect yes but it isnt a game ender like Judgement Dragon,and speaking of Judgement Dragon Battle Fader is one of the only few cards that can stop an otk from it,its a basic effect card that helps people survive it shouldnt be limtied semi limited or banned at all,further more of all if their gonna let judgement dragon run rampant then why not bring back black luster soldier envoy of beginning(its basically the same card 3000 atk needs certain cards in the graveyard to bring out except its effect only targets one monster and it cant attack and otk like judgement dragon)Raventheblack 21:24, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go to a tournament, Raventheblack, and then tell me what you think of Infernities. Have you heard the phrase "one card OTK"? But still, Battle Fader should stay at three. Same with Archfiend. The only severely-broken card in Infernities is the Gun. 00:03, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

The people near where i live at the 3 card shops i go to arent smart enough to run inferntities ._. so yeah...infernties whether you like it or not is based on luck and early planning and i will made this clear i play this game for "Fun" not the point of some people here where they need to spazz out and hypervenilate over a loss or because things are not going there way i will also point out i only play this game online as i could no longer afford to play the game in rl idk which one you eman by the *gun*since infernity reloader originally looked like a revolver but instead made it look like a.........lightbulb,as far as i know the most 3 decks i see people run online are blackwings lightsworns and macro decks even then they been out awhile before they got hit on the limited list,all i got to say is chill out and if some cards are bugging you to a point you gotta flip out then it makes victory even sweeter when you win(plus all the trash talk that comes afterwards)i will also point out lastly i do play an infernity deck and i have wanted to use them since i seen their first cards and not because their a metagame only because their weird and interesting to use.Raventheblack 02:00, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Raventheblack, Are you Serious?!?!? Infernities are very consistent and very fast. You obviously never seen or heard of the Infernity OTK. You don't play too competitively do you? Oh, and by Gun he means Infernity Launcher. bewk, Dragon Exodia have a lot of OTK/FTK potential, I can agree with that but they aren't really consistent. Not the kind that's going to pop up all over tournaments.--Hide Head Turtle 04:48, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Raventheblack
 * You obviously don't know much about Infernities. They take a ton of skill to pull off their lengthy combos. They sacrifice hand advantage for massive field presence. But, as you should know, some decks are vastly more powerful than others, and they deserve to be hit by the ban list. That is why I am "spazzing out" and "hypervenilating" about them. By "Gun", I meant Infernity Launcher, which is obviously the source of the deck's broken-ness. If your meta consists of LS, Macro, and BWs, your lucky, because your living in the land of Oz. The real metagame is made up of far-greater decks that are much more broken.
 * Lastly, you say you play an Infernity deck when you "could no longer afford to play the game in rl"? Infernity decks are some of the most expensive decks out there, costing anywhere from $400-500. That makes no sense, as your earlier statements infer that you quit playing Yu-Gi-Oh! altogether.
 * tl;dr Incoherent post is incoherent, please use periods. Just kidding. 04:58, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Hide Head Turtle
 * Konami never lets even a semi-consistent FTK live. It is much more consistent than you think. Probably an 85% FTK rate. 05:11, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Your correct as said i dont play the game in real life,my infenrity deck is played online in yu-gi-oh world championship 2010 reverse of arcadia i also go to an online dueling site and play just for fun.--Raventheblack 05:13, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Raventheblack, no offense but please don't talk about something if you don't know it very well. BEWK, I can accept that. Cards of Consonance and the new Dragon-Type tuners do lend the build more consistency.--Hide Head Turtle 05:17, June 5, 2010 (UTC

Saw the Exodia FTK deck and... wow... here we have FTK that looks nearly 90% consistent and with NO WAY TO STOP IT. I suggest to counter this problem doing the following; Semi-Limit/Limit Super Rejuvination and (although it pains me to say this) Blue Eyes. Somebody needs to send a message directly to Konami about this. Oh yes and Infernity Launcher should be Limited. No more OTKs (you can summon three bloody Mist Wurms!!) and Battle Fader Semi. Also JD either banned or limited and possibly Honest limited. Maybe even get rid of few more blackwing cards and if your so anoyed with Machina Fortress, Bottomless him. Or DD Crow him while hes in the graveyard so he cant come back --Its the EndOfTheWorld! Mwuhahahaha! 15:55, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

RED EYES DARKNESS METAL DRAGON (REDMD)
This is a card that has got to be limited. Its summoning conditions are absolutely ridiculous for a level 10 monster I mean remove from play one dragon type monster to special summon it i mean come on. Then its effect, It can special summon any Dragon from the Graveyard or from your hand without and set backs, they can even attack on the turn they used its effect and it can be any monster. I was dueling my friend the other day and he used a hopeless dragon deck. He summoned REDMD and brought back stardust Dragon. I mean come on Stardust was hard enough to destroy then he just drought it back like that.


 * Dragons need a card like that to stay competitive. 15:42, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

That's basically the card that changed them from being "Hopeless". It's not really that broken.--Hide Head Turtle 16:09, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

-I agree on Limiting REDMD.

Jampong 01:54, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since when have Hopeless Dragon decks become a problem? They are tier 2.5 at best. 01:58, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I find the REDMD hate uncalled for. I have faced the deck many times, with many of my decks, and have beat it in more than half the occasions. And I'm not talking about randomly assorted dragons + 3 REDMD, but decks built by very experienced players that take them to tourneys. The deck is good enough, not by any means OP. REDMD is the main monster for Dragons now, why hit the main monster of a low-tier deck? Might as well hit Macro Cosmos for that matter. Now, if a player lucksacks his way into an OTK or something, fueled by REDMD, blame the player's luck, not the monster. No, REDMD is fine where it is.
 * As for meaningful suggestions for the Banlist, I call upon the celestial power of the almighty BANHAMMER! Ban these cards! Ban them FOREVER! Sorry, what was I saying? *shrugs*
 * 1) Ronintoadin (3->1) . WTF. Frogs>>>>>ALL. This must break the balance of nature or something, Frogs are NOT supposed to be at the top! Joking aside, this is a seriously OP card. Frog OTK combo notwithstanding, you can use it for Tribute fodder for Monarchs, which is even more OP with...
 * 2) Treeborn Frog (2->1) at 2. Who thought 2 Treeborns was a good idea? Seriously. With Swap Frog to mill them, Frogs in the grave are a nightmare for the opponent. And what sends them there?
 * 3) Substitoad (3->0/1 OR issue an erratum). I had never even read the card, since I wasn't interested in Frogs. But seriously, there is no "once per turn", no restriction as to what to tribute and it is LV1, making it searchable. This is the card that starts the OTK for Frogs. I hope that an erratum is issued, making the effect "once per turn". That'd balance Frogs immediately, without completely shutting the non-OTK Frogs down. Should that prove impossible, the Limitation of Ronintoadin should help stop the deck's insane OTK/FTK potential, with the use of D.D. Crow. Still, Banning or correcting the effect of Substitoad seems like the best idea.
 * 4) Infernity Launcher (3->?). Now, I'd like to state that I'm building an Infernity OTK deck, and am well on the way (1 Archfiend, 1 Mirage, 2 Launcher, 1 Barrier). But even I must say I was blown away by Launcher's effect. Special Summon 2 monsters from the Grave? Searchable? Condition easy to fulfill? OMFG, it's Gladiator Beast War Chariot all over again. Although I'd like to use it, I will never deny this is a card that deserves the BANHAMMER. Seeing though that Infernities are unlikely to get any more Infernity support (meaning cards of the Infernity archetype, not stuff like Fabled Raven), I don't think Launcher will be banned, but a Semi-Limitation at the VERY least is more than warranted.
 * 5) Archlord Kristya (3->1/2). I don't know how many of you are aware of it, but there is a particularly nasty (and effective) lockdown deck out now, featuring Herald of Perfection, Kristya and lots of cards that ultimately return Fairies in the grave to the Hand, resulting in a first turn unbreakable lockdown (1/2 Herald + Kristya + at least 2 Fairies in the hand, 4+ if the player had a semi-decent hand). The card that makes this OP is Kristya, since the deck has no defensive traps, so Red Dragon Archfiend/Colossal Fighter would be the solution, but Kristya prevents that. By Limiting her, it's much better. I am aware that she is one of the few all-round good Fairy cards, but she is seriously OP, no matter how you look at it. And since Honest got hit, why not her as well?
 * 6) XX-Saber Darksoul (3->1). Rescue Cat + This = handless opponent (unless if they run Infernities, in which case they'll just be staring down a LOT of synchros). I really think this should be limited. Haven't seen it in use yet, but I'm fairly sure it's gonna be bad. REAL bad.
 * 7) Rescue Cat (1->0). That's it. I've had enough with this kitty. BAN IT. That's final. Even at 1, it keeps fueling deck after deck. Flamvell Cat being just one of the many. It's too broken to stay.


 * That's all I can think of for now. Please share your opinion. --Darth Covah (Talk | DeckZone | Binder) 16:39, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

REMD will never be hit. Theres currently nothing that can add it quickly and easily to add to the hand (with exceptions of Gold Sarcofigis and DD Capsule both of which have a two turn delay) And you lose whatever you tribute to SS it. Its powerful but nothing extreme.

As for things that need to be.

The infernity engine is too extreme right now. Something has to give way. What piece exactly I'm not so sure. It could end up that both a one of the inferinty pillars will go along with Mist Wurm since thats what happened with the last 3 synchro combo set of DSF.

Dimensional Prison -> 2. Its effectivness has been proven in this heavy destruction protection format but its alittle too effective due to its use. Theres several decks that now have trap recycling. Its not so bad to drop it to 1 like with mirror force but not so trivial to leave it at 3.

Dandylion -> 1. Its general purpose effect trigger is too widespread. With the ability to trigger so easily its two powerful to leave at 2.

Other ones that I would suggest have already been discussed heavily already. Steelfallenangel 06:13, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Woah, easy with the Frog hate, Darth Covah. However, I do agree with everything that you said about them. Frogs have become the No. 1 go to for tribute fodder support. It's insane. Archlord Kristya should be untouched. I know that you talked about the lockdown capabilities. They are strong but they don't grip on your opponent for too long. Hand Advantage is a serious major issue with that deck. A bit unsure about killing the Cat though. Finally, Infernities are bound to get hit this September 2010.

By the recent changes to the banlist, Konami seems to be slamming the breaks on the meta. They've released a lot of summon restrict cards, e.g. Testudo Erat Numen, Archlord Kristya, Cactus Bouncer. They've effectively crippled Lightlords, Tele-DAD and Zombies. If Infernities come out of September unscathed, that would just screw up the meta game. I predict that we would see a slower meta in the future.--HHTurtle 11:49, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

This one for sure shou be limited to one or two:

King Tiger Wanghu

This *#$@%* monster breaks my synchro deck al the time.......and it's a little hard to destroy it if your you don't have much strong level 4 or lower monsters.....


 * It is made to take apart certain decks, including yours. It'll never get limited. And it shouldn't be too hard to get rid of. 04:54, June 9, 2010 (UTC)