Talk:Rio Kastle

What is this
Ur......what is this?
 * In episode 34, IV asks Shark how his younger sister is doing. After that, Shark brings her up in the Flashback that follows. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 04:38, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it's worth keeping the page. If the problem is you think the information is false, I think Shardsilver has cleared that up. If the problem is that you think she's too minor to have an article, I wouldn't say so... She is an official character with some kind of role in the series. Although I think we could have a better article name like "Shark's sister" without the "Younger", unless he has other older sisters. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:27, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Family name
In case she gets a name soon, what family name will we use for page name? Japanese (Kamishiro) or English (Kastle)? If her name is in Japanese, I don't think combining it with English family name would make sense. -- The Goblin   I'm feelin' the flow   11:56, June 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Brianna Stone was Tetsuko Stone until we got her dub first name. The same will occur here. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:07, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Proper name
Are we sure the spelling is Rio and not Ryo, similar to her brother's Japanese name? If that's the case, I wouldn't be surprised if her English name becomes "Regina". But I have a feeling this page should be Ryo Kastle for now. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 16:27, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, using Japanese pronunciation, that would sound like "Road" without the "d" sound. if you hear someone calling out Ryoga's name, you get the idea. 24.83.215.20 (talk) 17:42, June 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought the "Ryo" in "Ryo Bakura" pronounced "Rio". --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 16:56, June 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Rio" is not a common Japanese name, spelled like this it sounds pretty Spanish. "Ryo" is in fact a Japanese name, that is used for both genders. Dunkles Magiermädchen (talk • contribs) 17:18, June 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I think her name is really Rio, not Ryo. Because, see: her name is written in Katakana, which is, how can I say, a simple alphabet; names are usually written in Kanji, which is a more complex alphabet (and the Kanji characters have a reading, which is used to form the name, and a meaning, so many times a character's name's writing is chosen by his personality or plot). Also, Katakana is usually used for foreign words or technical terms, instead of Hiragana, which is usually used for normal Japanese words - so, I think her name is a foreign name, indeed, instead of a Japanese one. Both Shark and Bakura were cited. Compare the particle "Ryo" in each character's name:


 * Shark: 凌 (Kanji)
 * Bakura: 了 (Kanji)
 * Rio: リオ (Katakana)
 * So I'd say we should keep it "Rio".LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:09, July 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I didn't realize her name was actually shown written somewhere. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:38, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Deck
Yeah, don't know if she is a ice deck duelist but the title of 79th episode said she is the Ice Queen. -- E. G.G.  (My Contributions) 17:51, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Perhaps. We have to wait and see. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:03, October 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright, In the mean while i guess these episodes can be added, if they aren't already. -- E. G.G.  (My Contributions) 18:16, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

I believe it is an Ice deck, as all her monsters so far and most of spells and traps are ice themed. Seeing she uses a deck of water attribute wing beast Ice seems likely as usually when people use wing and water they get ice in most media I've seen.Mariya Ranevskaya (talk • contribs) 03:40, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Twin?
Was she ever said to be Shark's twin sister? As far as I know she is Shark's little sister. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:11, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm almost 100% positive it was stated somewhere, I just can't remember where. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:29, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

She is his confirmed twin it was stated in the magazine article that was released slightly before Zexal II the one that confirmed her, rei and gilga as new characters(plus the two have been shown to be in the same school grade), but yes it is confirmed.


 * Can you show us the link to that image or wall'f text article of the reason why they are twin after all please? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  11:50, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * -- The Goblin  12:19, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't waste my time registering myself in there as member, sorry. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  12:26, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * | Shark's twin younger sister. She's a strong kinda girl, with a high-class family's daughter feel to her, and she's a super high level Duelist. -- E. G.G.  (My Contributions) 12:34, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, that's right, it is written "双子の妹" ("twin sister"). By the way, Fred, if you wanna check the pic, here. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:42, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Dub Name
We know that her last name is "Kastle" because obviously Shark's twin sister but not sure about her first name (dub). We will know her first name soon when some episodes are dubbed in English.--Power32840 (talk • contribs) 18:05, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * They'd better keep the name Rio. As far as I can see, there's no reason to change it. RedDrgn (talk • contribs) 04:14, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

If it isn;t Rio I wonder what craziness they'd think of, Shark's real name in the original, Ryoga sounds like his sister's, Rio. So Hopefully if she has a different name in the dub it isn't something like that, though for some reason Regina keeps popping up in my head since Shark's real dubbed name is Reginald.--Mariya Ranevskaya (talk • contribs) 03:38, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yuma Doesn't Say her Name
Yuma never called her by her name. He keeps calling her "Shark's Sister" which annoys her. Rio once call Yuma Kite which was funny. During her duel, Yuma called her other names (I forgot. One of them is Emo Shark). -Jlee1 (talk • contribs) 21:16, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Nicknames
It Seems Rio is Given a Nickname By Yuma And Shark Calls Her Ice Queen And Yuma calls Her Sharks Sister and SharkSis These Three Nicknames Are Discover in Episode 79 (14:00, November 21, 2012 (UTC))

Does Rio Possess Powers?
I Think Rio Possess Powers or Abilities in Episode 79 Her Eyes Are Red Not Evil Glowing And The Start of ZeXal II She Was Able to Sense The Barain's Coming to Heartland And Episode 81 She is Seen With a Aura Not Evil Later in a Preview Episode She Felt Another Barain I Think Rio Possess An Abilities Like  Luna I Believe Rio Has Abilities like Luna Maybe She is Able to See Astral Maybe (ZombieLionel (talk • contribs) 01:32, November 26, 2012 (UTC))


 * Be careful with double posts. But I could agree with ya, Rio may have that kind of mysterious power like Runa do. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  01:39, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe it has something to do with the card IV/Quattro used on her during their duel that put her in the hospital in the first place, Tron/Vetrix used powers from the Barian world during the World Duel Carnival and that card could have come from the Barian World like some of the cards Vector used and Rank Up Magic Barian Force and then left some trace of the Barian World's energy in Rio, which as a result lets her sense the presence of People in the Barian world when they arrive on Earth like she did when Gilag and Misael showed up.Mariya Ranevskaya (talk • contribs) 03:35, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Dat running-on sentence! -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  03:39, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Everytime he comments, i get lazy reading because the way he comments is very difficult to read. SharkTenjo 13:17, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed, sorry but bad grammar. Anyway all we know is she seems able to sense a Barian and a bit of prediction. Anything else right now is speculation. On a sidenote Luna can only talk to Duel Spirits; that hardly is the same as Rio's. Lets not discuss any farther things until we have more info (talk pages are not to be used for speculating). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 14:04, December 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * This isn't really meant for the page, just something I wanted to add to the conversation. A friend of mine has a theory that Rio and Shark are Barians, specifically Merag and Nasch. Seems kind of plausible, though still speculation. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:27, April 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * That indeed seems to be the case. The anime pretty much hints that: Durbe seems to have quickly built up respect for Shark. And who else did he respect (alot more, but that's obvious considering the situation)? Nasch. Pretty much the only questions that remains are: What happened to them (they're clearly not roleplaying)? How did they let themselves be toyed with by normal humans like IV (in Rio's case, even put in a long coma)?94.208.111.145 (talk) 23:28, May 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * If that was true, then how did Shark not displaying his Barian trait at all? Are you treated Shark like Rua (Leo) that don't see the spirit like Runa did? -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  23:31, May 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not just that, but how is it possible that they are Barians when they are both in a flashback at a carnival when they were kids that was obviously on Earth? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 23:34, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

able to see astral?
i believe rio is able to see astral after yuma's duel with alit, Tori and Rio Walk up to him she is looking where astral is did she Get The same thing like shark and tori able to see astral? (204.237.118.11 (talk) 11:56, January 17, 2013 (UTC))

Cards in the flashback
I don't think cards in the flashback of Rio in episode 91 can be added to her deck since Rio and Shark were editting the deck together so we don't know whose card is this so I suggest removing it or righting it in a flashback deck along with monster reborn and blizzard falcon in both characters' decks. Dark Soul Taker (talk • contribs) 16:48, February 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would agree. They were flashback cards from years ago. When that happens, we usually list it in a "Past Deck" section or something like that. This is different in that two of the card were actually used by here later, but I don't think that's a reason to break consistency. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:19, February 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * According to what you said that doesn't mean the card isn't hers so let's just make a past deck in both characters' pages and add those 3 cards in them. Dark Soul Taker (talk • contribs) 18:34, February 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Shark said, Rio always asked him which cards she should put in her Deck when they were younger, so they are obviously Rio's and not Shark's cards. Dunkles Magiermädchen (talk • contribs) 19:04, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Name
is there any official source on her named being spelled Rio, rather than the much more Japanese common Ryo? Especially considering Ryoga.--RexGodwin (talk • contribs) 14:13, April 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just the kana spelling, used in her name.
 * リオ / りお = Rio
 * リョ / りょ = Ryo
 * リョウ / りょう = Ryō
 * There's a similar section above. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:45, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Rio is Merag
So I guess the confirmation which many desired is here. The same goes for Shark.

潘めぐみ(HAN MEGUMI) ‏@han_meg_han

遊戯王ZEXAL. 第120話. 神代璃緒でありメラグでもあり. 一つの身体に二つの魂. その一つが、遊馬たちと対峙するバリアンのもので. 私自身も、この運命を受け止めると共に、すべては凌牙のため、ナッシュのため、璃緒は、メラグは、どこまでも彼と共に行くのだと、揺るぎない決意を胸に演じて.

This is from Han Megumi, the voice actress of Rio's twitter. You can believe her words or not. I'm pretty certain that no one will merge the Merag and Rio page anyway due to everyone wanting to see Rio in Barian form first. However, if you want a textual confirmation, here it is. She is saying that she is Rio and Merag at the same time. Two souls occupy one body (The other soul being the Rio that previously died in the car crash). Samhiuy (talk • contribs) 16:01, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Leaving name as Rio Kastle?
Shouldn't we rename this article Merag? It seems more fitting considering that she obviously no longer sees herself as Rio anymore. Also, the Seven Barian Emperors article calls her Merag.Over-HundredLegendaryChaosShiningNumbers (talk • contribs) 01:54, September 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * i agree. the seven barian emperors pages have there barian name and barian picture. (Superlmno (talk • contribs) 02:35, September 27, 2013 (UTC))


 * I don't agree to this. Rio/Reginald are the names we've been familiar with since their anime debuts. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 16:40, September 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Since pretty much the exact same debate is happening at Talk:Reginald Kastle, further comments should probably be left there. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:05, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

over 100 number
ok guys seriously we all know rio's over 100 number is number 103 it was part of the 100 numbers and barian emperors page till someone removed why is that we know merag is number 103 right ? (ZombieLionel (talk • contribs) 18:11, September 30, 2013 (UTC))


 * Sigh* I don't think anyone doubts that she will get Number 103, but is there any source that there are only 7 Over-Hundred Numbers? Additionally I know it says they are the signature cards of the Seven Barian Emperors] but that doesn't necessarily mean exclusively. Pedantic? Yes. But we don't have proof we are as close to it without having it as possible... -- slave (command) 22:55, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Xyz Series
I'm seeing a bit of a pattern in Rio's Xyz Monsters. You think it's safe to say Ice Beast Zerofyne, Ice Princess Zereort, and Number 103: Laguna Zero, the Sub-Zero Funeral Maiden are all part of a series? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:39, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not really. Other than being Ice-related, there is not much else to it. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:18, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * They all share the name Sub-Zero (Ice in English), so that kinda makes them a series, don't it? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:03, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * I guess, but I am not sure. Try to get an Admin's opinion. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 19:06, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Personally, I'd rather wait until we get the official English names for them before deciding the series name. (However, I still feel it will probably be "Sub-Zero" anyways, but the cards will be released "relatively" soon.) --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 00:40, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox pic
Should we use the pic of her human form or her Barian form as the infobox pic? ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 18:14, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * We SHOULD use her Barian form, as that is her true form, but for now we plan on using her human form. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:16, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would prefer the human form. Firstly, its her more common form. Secondly, just visiting Rio's article right now is a spoiler. No, this wiki doesn't avoid spoilers, but we don't need to wave around flags and scream "SPOILERS!". Having spoilers be that blatant can dissuade people from even using the wiki if they want to avoid them.
 * I would actually prefer to use the human forms for EVERY Barian Emperor's infobox. With the exception of Durbe, each of them has appeared far more often in their human forms. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:37, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ai, ai, ai…again with the "common" thing? I still think we should use her true form, but whatever. Perhaps we can change it to that eventually, but we should keep it human for now. BTW, we are already "waving a flag and screaming SPOILERS!" by stating upright in the beginning of the article, "she is Merag". NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:43, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, reading her article is a spoiler. But right now, clicking on her article and glancing at it is a spoiler. You don't even had to read anything to be spoiled. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:52, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thats not the point! Ahh forget it… Like I said, keep it human now, MAYBE Barian later. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:55, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikis like those for Naruto and One Piece have tabs on the infoboxs for characters to show how they looked before and after their respective timeskips. You think we could do something similar for the Barians to show off the images of their Barian selves, human selves, and past lives? It might make things easier and only allows a spoiler for if they want to look at the images. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:05, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, but having a "Barian form" button to click for Shark's/Rio's infobox picture is a spoiler no one can avoid when they first see the page. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 19:07, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * As long as we update based on the original, we have no choice by to post spoilers. Only way to avoid it would be to go by the dub, but then we'd be a season behind. This is a no-win situation. No matter what you're gonna have spoilers. Get over it, or put some kind of Spoiler alert warning at the top of the page. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:15, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * He is right, there is no way to avoid spoilers. I am all for the tab idea. It is a simple solution and besides, like I said, saying "she is Merag" right there is about as bad as the tab thing anyways. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 19:21, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Heck, as long as someone (whoever it is) keeps posting stuff from Neo Arc Cradle, they are giving out Spoilers. The page on C40 = spoiler. Summaries on future episode real or fake = spoilers. You see, unavoidable on a wiki. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:24, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, THIS wiki anyway. Do we even have a spoiler warning? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 19:26, October 6, 2013 (UTC)

(reset indent) Did I ever say we should avoid all spoilers? No. I just said we should be careful. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:47, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * And the best way to do that is to have a Spoiler Warning. Do we have one of those for this wiki? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:05, October 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Why are we even regarding spoilers in this? The Barian form is the true form. I understand the uneasiness about doing this to main character pages, but since these are the true forms of these characters, can you guys give me a good reason why we shouldn't use the true form pictures OR do the tab idea (WITHOUT regarding spoilers)? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 00:46, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think giving higher priority to the true form simply because it's the true form is like focusing more on the birth name of someone, who is known to millions more people by a pseudonym or the real life job of an Internet celebrity, over their online activity, because it's what the government recognizes as their job.
 * I'd say you write articles on people, focusing on what they've done that draws attention, rather than the data they'd put in a census form. If they're famous for more than one thing, you'd focus more on the one they're more famous for, rather than the census-friendly one. As far as I can tell, fans are more familiar with their human forms and more of the series has focused on them in their human forms.
 * I'm unsure about the tab thing. I wouldn't say I'm totally opposed to it. It just seems its use would be arbitrary. On the One Piece wiki, it's solid and consistent. It's always going to be anime/manga, pre-timeskip/post-timeskip. We don't have just one or two governing uses that would cover all pages. For these few pages, it would be Barian/human. Other pages, people may want to split them by old/young, normal form/Zexal form, masked/unmasked, season 1/season 2, with spirit partner/without spirit partner, Slifer Red/Ra Yellow, school uniform/civilian clothing, one set of clothes/another set of clothes. etc. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:48, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that, Deltaneos. Your reasoning makes way more sense than the spoiling thing. But, we don't have to put THAT much into the tab thing (although you noted some good ideas). I am just trying to keep things simple here. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 01:56, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree we don't need that much tabs. My worry is that I don't see where we can draw a line between what the image tabs can and can't be used for. -- Deltaneos (talk) 02:10, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Deltaneos, the tabs for the Barians covers Human form, Barian form, AND past life. I know they once talked about creating separate pages for each past life of the Barians, and that seems senseless, with the tabs it'll help make the pages for the Barians more uniform. Plus they can use it for the three Zexal forms, and what ever other future uses appear. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:28, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, I am pretty sure they were going to make separate pages for the ZEXAL forms. But, we can make the tabs a regular thing and not JUST for ZEXAL. For example, we can use them for Bruno and also for Z-one. I would seem a little weird to just have them for the Barians…NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 03:11, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's what I mean. That's senseless, with the tabs, it's all together and it makes it easier on visitors to the site to keep things straight. They can use it for the Barians, The ZEXAL forms Bruno and Vizor, Atem and Yami, Jaden before and after merging with Yubel, the many forms of Darkness. The list is somewhat endless and can continue to grow as long as they keep making Yu-Gi-Oh! --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 03:39, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ahh, ok. I see what you mean. As for what they can't be used for, different outfits and the characters at different ages. Doing it for those seems rather pointless. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 04:16, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know about that. If there is a reasonable timeskip, and a definite change in appearance; I could see it used like that. Heck, they use it like that for One Piece and Naruto. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 04:35, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

I dont think Darkness would warrant an infobox tab.. he only has one form. and possessing someone doesn't count. And yeah, ive thought of that idea when it comes to Bruno/Dark Glass/Antinomy.--RexGodwin (talk • contribs) 04:31, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright, well we have to draw the line where it can and can't be used somewhere. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 12:09, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * That might be something to discuss in a forum. All I can think of are The Barians, Maybe the Dark Signers (minus Devack) and the Aporia trio, Jaden pre and post Yubel, and Yami/Atem. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:37, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * That sounds about good to me. But, you forgot Vizor/Bruno. Are we forgetting anyone else? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 17:41, October 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nightshourd maybe. He was in control of Atticus and the other guy before he took his final form.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:51, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

She is, But She isn't
First off, let me just say I'm not trying to rub anyone's nose in this. A long time ago, when we first suspected Shark and Rio of being Nasch and Merag; I believe I brought up the idea that they either the spirits of Nasch and Merag took over the Kastle siblings' bodies, or their parents were Nasch and Merag. Well, today's episode just revealed the former to be true. (spoiler alert) When Vector "killed" Nasch and Merag, Abyss saved them and gave them another shot at life by having them take over Shark and Rio's bodies after the car crash.

With this in mind, do we separate the pages of Nasch and Merag and Kastles, or do we keep them together? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 15:45, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

We still keep the pages fused, after all Rio and Merag are still the same being, this similar the Bruno and Vizor page.--im gay (talk • contribs) 15:59, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Not entirely, but I suppose you are right. The Rio we know was using Merag as a soul, just as Shark was for Nasch. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:12, November 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * We don't have a full translation yet, but this does seem to be the case. This article and Shark's would more or less be untouched by it. The Shark and Rio we've always known have always been Nasch and Merag. I would argue a page to cover the lives of their bodies before the accident would be appropriate, perhaps at "Reginald Kastle (original)" or something of the sort. The originals are dead and gone if their souls left their bodies, right? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:35, November 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Shark always had memories of the accident, but not of being a Barian. The second that Nasch merged with child Reginald, he became a Barian and thats it. He doesn't seem to retain any of the "original" Nasch's memories, just his Barian form and powers. The child Reginald Kastle is the exact same as the present Reginald Kastle, with the exception of being a Barian. It would make more sense to make a Nasch (original) page. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 20:45, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Not really, it makes more since to make a either a seperate page or section for the children who died. think about it like this, the person we've known for 131 episodes is Nasch(even if he didnt know he was nasch) Not the child who died.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 20:58, November 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * So what you are trying to say is that it was always Nasch, but with the child's memories? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:16, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Basically Yes for the past 131 episode it was always Nasch, but in the body of the child originally know as Reginald kastle F8lfire (talk • contribs) 21:20, November 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * If it was always the child's body, then how can he be a Barian? The child was human. It makes more sense if Nasch and child Reginald merged bodies, or if they switched bodies, or if the child became Barian. Ugh…there are too many holes to figure this out now. Perhaps we should wait for a translation or maybe the next episode before creating pages? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:30, November 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree, maybe the translation would help. All I know is pre-car crash, Shark and Rio were humans born to human parents. Post-car crash, Abyss places Nasch and Merag into Shark and Rio's lifeless bodies, making them human with a Barian Spirit. If nothing else, we could write up two pages that are the same save for a few parts, like with Yugi and Yami Yugi/Atem. For example, Rio's and Merag's pages would each tell of their past (Rio: life before the crash. Merag: past life, reincarnation, "death") then post-crash Merag's page could link to Rio's as from the start of Zexal to the start of the current arc, that's who she was. Then with this current arc, Rio's page could link to Merag's, because that who she is now. I admit, it's not a perfect plan; but it's something to consider for this unique situation. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 22:09, November 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I am not entirely for it, but not entirely against it either. They are still the same characters but they are still kinda not the same. I still kinda feel like we should make pages for Nasch and Merag before the "human merge" (I guess I could call it?). They had their own lives before merging with kid Reginald and kid Rio. At this point, it is pretty much humans taking on the role of Barians now (or something like that, as I want to be careful about what I say about this due to lack of details). NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 22:38, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

I think your still confused on a few things, Shark and Nasch didnt merge together, The child died and his lifeless body was then inhabited by NAsch's soul, it isnt the body that's important here, its the soul, as the "soul" is what make the character who he/she is. you over complicating this, the child who died in a car crash is not the character we've know for 131 episodes. for instance, when yugi was captured by the seal of orichalcos and the pharaoh soul resided in yugi's body after yugis soul was gone, he was still counted as being the pharaoh, not yugi, this is the same cases, so like i said for the most part is only makes sense to have a separate page, for the two children who died.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 07:01, November 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * In a way, it IS still Shark. Yeah, Nasch's soul inhabited Shark's body, but he always had Shark's memories from before the crash, remembering nothing about being a Barian. Don't get me wrong, I see your point and I think I understand it now, but you can see the way I saw it. I still feel like we should still create pages for Nasch and Merag before being "reborn"(?). Pharaoh Atem and Yami Yugi are an example of why, since this is somewhat similar to that. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 13:26, November 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * You guys know that Don Thousand wouldn't allow the death of Nasch and Merag which would ruin his own agenda in obtaining his powers, which he made perfectly clear in episode 129. Some how I have feeling he has something to do with Abyss saving them. (Bring it 'em --- User:Avatarr) 16:21, November 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Meh. That is highly unlikely. DT is using them as pawns, and we all know how clever Vector is. Nasch and Merag dying could have been part of his plan the whole time. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:55, November 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Getting back on topic here, NMBRHNTR64 is right. Yugi and Atem are good examples of why we could/would create pages for Shark and Rio, and Nasch and Merag separately. Yes, Yugi and ATem were two souls in one body (unlike our current situation of different soul in different body), but still, I'm willing to bet that Atem's and Yugi stories were similar for the most part of up until the Doma arc but they operated as one. When Atem/Yami took over for Yugi in his duels, it may be Yami speaking, but it is Yugi thinking. And even when as Yami, people still called him Yugi. Similarly, Merag and Rio may share the same story during the course of the series, but they have different pasts, and as such should be separated. As the season progresses, especially with the alleged episode(s) with Nasch/Shark and Vector dueling with their true memories being revealed; I think we'll have enough to have one page for Shark and 1 for Nasch. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 07:41, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks Rocketknight, although should then Reginald Kastle link to the original or to nasch or to a disambiguous or should nash-shark still be called reginald kastle as through the on-screen series hes been called that  more where as Nasch is his 'real' name? :s - sorry to conflate the to topics... -- slave (command•works) 07:45, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * ????????? I'm just going to pretend I understood that. If you want my opinion on how to connect the pages together, I made a suggestion to that early in the discussion. Looking at this page, the current bio does not match the story shown in the episode as it leads readers to assume Merag was born as Rio when in reality she took over after Rio "died". Having two pages will make the whole situation a lot clearer to understand. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 07:58, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

in all honesty i dont see why the situation is so confusing to most people, there should be on page for Nasch/Shark/Reginald and Rio/Merag ( the people we have known for +130 episode), and one for Reginald/Rio(the dead children[we have no reason to believe these children's souls are still present within the bodies of Nasch and Merag]), and as far as people who think the page will be to small, we have pages devoted to useless filler characters that were seen once and never hear from again, so what exactly is the problem with making 2 more pages for this extremely important plot point?F8lfire (talk • contribs) 08:27, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with you entirely! but because of certain people, who say and apparently think such things as: "Rio is Rio who is Merag." - which is about the same level as saying "Because Yugi Muto is Yami Yugi is Pharaoh Atem"


 * The only reason there is any controversy is because some people are in short either terribly informed or simply stupid - of which neither areour problem as far as being editors to a wiki... IMO -- slave (command•works) 08:47, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok…so where are we in terms of making separate pages for Nasch and Merag from before they took Shark and Rio's bodies (when they were Barian Emperors and when Vector killed them) and the current Nasch and Rio (becoming Emperors again while possessing the bodies of Reginald and Rio Kastle)? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:16, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. See the relevant conversation on Reginald's talk page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:33, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I was already eyeing the page. I either missed something or you misunderstood (although I tried to be clear about that). I meant for pages to be made for Nasch and Merag. Nasch (original) would be before his soul entered dead Reginald (how he was a Barian Emperor and was killed by Vector) and Nasch would be about after he entered dead Reginald (lived as human, eventually found out about being a Barian, etc.). NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:54, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * That is to much right there. If you creating an article for those, then that will be no sense. It will be a spoiler. (Bring it 'em --- User:Avatarr) 17:05, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Technically, every character page is a spoiler, so that's not a valid argument. We never knew the Pharaoh's name until near the end of the series, yet we have the character article called Pharaoh Atem. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 17:08, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Consensus seemed to be against a split in that regard when it was brought up in the past though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:09, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * And yet that split is still there. This is a very similar case to Yami and Atem. Like Atem, Nasch and Merag had their own lives long before entering another body. If it was done then, I don't see why it wouldn't be done now. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:00, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I mean the Nasch and Merag thing, not Atem and Yami Yugi. The Atem and Yami Yugi split predates my time here, I'm not actually sure why its done that way. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:12, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ahh. But my point is still there. Atem had an entire life of his own, he died, sealed in Puzzle, brought back by Yugi. Its almost like he had an entire new life, which is probably why it was done that way, but thats just what I always thought. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:29, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * He's right. There was a Shark and Rio before Nasch and Merag became SHark and Rio, and so there should be separate pages for them. We may not have as much info on the individual characters as we do with Atem and Yugi, but Zexal isn't over yet. Who knows what new info is yet to arise. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:22, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

In all honesty i've never understood why yami and atem have different pages. they're the same person it's like having a page for a character when he's 10 an another for when he's 20, seems more cohesive to have all information pertaining to that person in once coherent article, but anyway this situation is different that Atem/Pharoh, because they are literally the same person, Merag and the child Rio are two different people.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 19:27, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, READ WHAT I SAID BEFORE. I think you two are thinking of kid Reginald and kid Rio. Those pages have already been made. We are talking about Nasch and Merag BEFORE their souls entering the kid's bodies. NOT Rio and Reginald, Nasch and Merag. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 19:29, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

I understand that im just wondering what logical reason is there to have atem and the Pharaoh on two separate pages.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 19:32, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Because they are two separate beings, F8l. Despite the fact that their lives coincided with each other during the first series, they were still themselves. Yugi still lived a normal life (if you could call it that) while "bonded" with Atem. And Atem had his own life before having his spirit sealed in the puzzle, and as someone stated earlier, he was the one who lived through the Doma arc, while Yugi was trapped as a sacrifice for the Great Beast. The same is true here. While Nasch and Merag as the Shark and Rio we know now, they were not like that before the car crash. And so we need to separate the two individuals to avoid confusion.


 * And this is where we differ NMBRHNTR64 we don't need another page for Nasch and Merag because they are the new Shark and Rio. They became them after the car crash. Unless by some unknown means the original Shark and Rio reinhabit their bodies when this is all said and done. Nasch and Merag are Shark and Rio, and as such (to a degree) are both the humans we knew from the start of Zexal, to now as Barians. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 19:52, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * You are only stating the facts that I already know. And Yami and Atem are technically the same beings. Same soul, different bodies. Nasch (and I also mean Merag when I say the following) had his own life before his soul entered Reginald, as a Barian Emperor. He died, and at the cost of losing his memories, his soul entered another body. Yes, he is TECHNICALLY the same Nasch as before, but when he entered Reginald's body he lived on as Reginald with his memories, not retaining any memories of when he was a Barian. Ergo, if we take a look at Yami and Atem here, Current Nasch and Past Nasch are no different from that situation. There should be a page for Nasch before becoming Reginald, and one for after he became Reginald, leading to Present ZEXAL. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 20:09, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

If they're the same person then it dosent make any sense for them to have 2 separate pages, would you have a separate page for a person who has his memories and then one for when he has amnesia(as this is the case)? hes isn't "technically" the same nasch as before, he is The same person plain and simple.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 20:13, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I gotta go with F8l on this, it's like Vector and Ray to a different degree. Sure Vector was only acting as Ray, but you don't want to make a separate page for those two, do you? It's the same principle. We've differentiated between the old Shark and Rio, and Nasch and Merag (the new Shark and Rio). We don't need to divide any further than that. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:18, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, and you're wrong NMBRHNTR64, Atem and Yugi were two souls in one body. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 20:26, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * F8l, if what you say is true, then why do Yami and Atem have separate pages? Rocket, I said Yami, not Yugi. Of course I know Atem and Yugi are not the same, Atem and Yami Yugi are the same. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 20:59, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

1) what i say is true 2) i have no idea why they have separate pages, when there's no logical reason as to why they shouldnt share the same page.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 21:25, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, Yami and Atem are the same. As are Ray and Vector. As are Merag and the current Rio. As are Nasch and the current Shark. You follow? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 21:19, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

F8l, if Yami and Atem have different pages, can you give any reason as to why Past Nasch and Present Nasch are a different case? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:29, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll give you one. Not only does Atem's page talk about his role in the entirety of the Millennium World arc, it also has his bio from the Forbidden Memories video game. That's why it's separate from Yami. That's why his case is different from Nasch and Merag's, and all the other Barian Emperors.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 21:43, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * So, in other words, length of the page is your reasoning? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:55, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * No, differing information. It was merely length of page, I'd be fighting against having the pages on the original Shark and Rio. The past events of the Seven Barians are still apart of who they are, even if they don't really remember their pasts when DT brought them back. To make a page based solely on their past lives is senseless. Atem and Yami are different because they tell different stories. Atem's talks about his life in Egypt. Yami's talks about what he's done since Yugi solved the puzzle. And they are separated because we knew Yami longer than Atem and so it made sense, at that time, to separate the different stories by their corresponding names. The Barians are different; because, as far as we know, they had the same names as Humans as they do Barians, and their past history is still relevant to their Barian lives. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 22:04, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * What do Barian past lives have to do with any of this? Whether the page "tells a story" or not is not relevant. The Barian past lives should have their own page, but that is a completely different conversation, so I am not going to get into that. As for what we are talking about now, I still do not quite understand what you are saying. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 22:19, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's not that hard to understand. During the Millennium World arc, both Atem and Yami came into play. Yami was playing an RPG with Baruka which was what awakened Yami's memories of being Atem. Since Atem was a "game character" at that time, that's why it's separate from Yami and yet tells a similar story. The Barians are different because their human histories are still a part of their stories, and affected what they became as Barians; while Atem was a piece on a game that told Yami's true story. Two completely different cases. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 22:30, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I know all that. WHAT DO BARIAN PAST LIVES HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS?! NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 23:36, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Becuase you seem to think the Barians, Nasch and Merag included, should be divided similarly to Atem and Yami; and I'm explaining to you what they are two different cases entirely. Do you understand? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 23:39, November 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * We are not talking about past lives. We are talking about the past Nasch and Merag, the Barian Emperors, not when they were humans who ruled a nation, but when they were Barian Emperors who were killed by Vector. Let me tell you what I think. Nasch and Merag should get their own separate pages from when they were Barian Emperors who were killed by Vector, long before they became the current Reginald and Rio. I think this based on the fact that Yami Yugi and Atem have almost the exact same relationship, and they have their own separate pages. Now, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 03:14, November 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * You're logic is wrong. Didn't you read anything I typed? The reason Atem and Yami were separate is because Atem was just a game piece in the RPG that told about Yami/Atem's life. Regardless of being reborn as Shark and Rio, their previous existence as Emperors before Vector killed them is still the same as it is now. Nasch and Merag aren't like Aang and Korra who are the same entity but reborn into different lives. Nasch and Merag took over Shark and Rio's lives after they died in the car crash. As such; their past human lives, their Barian lives pre-car crash, and the current lives throughout Zexal are all one story, whereas Atem and Yami were two separate stories. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 03:23, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

maybe we should just rename the shark and rio pages to nasch and merag. (Superlmno (talk • contribs) 03:18, November 28, 2013 (UTC))


 * What good would that accomplish? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 03:23, November 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * ... can't help but point out that this would mean we have soemthing like:


 * A) Human-past-life-Merag/Nasch


 * B) Barian-past-life-Merag/Nasch


 * C) Original-Rio/Reginald


 * D) Amnesiac-barian-soul-Rio/Reginald


 * E) Barian-Nasch/Merag


 * And of these 5 distinct different parts of 4 different characters lives, we would have not 4 pages for 4 characters, but ..? what someone wants B to be separate to D, but I think they want D & E to be the same page, everyone with above IQ90 wants C to be different to all the others, I think some people want A and B together because both of those memories where lost...


 * I understnad why Pharaoh Atem is a separate page to Yami Yugi although I think that is unnecessary but not incorrect as it's essentially the same as having "ZEXAL II" separate from "ZEXAL III", although in the case of YY and PA they could be in either order given the appearance of them vs chronological order...
 * to apply that to this situation seems silly because it opens up potentially ahving each of these 5 things as separate pages which I don't think anyone wants!
 * At the moment I would want A & B together and I want D and E together as those groups flow nicely, although I would prefer to see A&B&D&E together under a page called Merag/Nasch rather than Rio/Reginald as those names are their true names  - although they are more commonly known as Rio and Shark(which is easy enough to handle regardless);
 * I know we have already had a few discussions about having Rio>Merag and Reginald>Nasch but at the time it wasn't so much as real name as his past incarnations name, and I am always of the opinion that consistency across the wiki is important hence as "Keith Howard" > "Bandit Keith", then so should these characters - and in turn Rio Kastle would redirect straight to Merag, (same for Shark & Reginald Kastle -> Nasch) with both of them (Merag & Nasch) having the notifier at the top of the page about "did you mean Rio/Reginald (Original) etc.) (with the Naschs also having the whole Shark archetype see shark (archetype))
 * So what say you all given this? -- slave (command•works) 03:45, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

i mean like this. Nasch (Reginald Kastle), Merag (Rio Kastle), Reginald Kastle (Original), Rio Kastle (Original). (Superlmno (talk • contribs) 03:56, November 28, 2013 (UTC))


 * YAY +1 XD but yeah - open end to everyone, thanks Superlmno =) -- slave (command•works) 04:01, November 28, 2013 (UTC)