Talk:Number 39: Utopia

Monster Effect
It's not "remove from play". I was confused when I saw that since the first translations all said "remove", so I checked other websites, and to "remove" an EMM means to send it to the Graveyard. A Wikia contirutor (talk • contribs) 16:57, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

negating effect?
so, this monster can negate your own monsters' attacks because that's what happened in the manga (Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Rank 004). 70.79.82.181 (talk) 03:49, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Can you chain this card with a card like Mirror Force to stop the attack ? (Meklordsa5m (talk • contribs) 15:33, March 14, 2012 (UTC))


 * No, that won't work. Check its OCG Ruling. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 15:53, March 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Shard is right - Utopia's effect is Speed Spell 1, slowest of all. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  16:02, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Effect...WHY!?
So, you can only negate your own attack, and not an opponent's? Aside from using Double Up Chance, WHAT'S THE FREAKING POINT!? QuartrGuy (talk • contribs) 05:57, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

lol no, it says "a monster", so you can negate the attack of your opponent's monster AND your own monster.118.96.11.119 (talk) 07:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Whoops...my bad. QuartrGuy (talk • contribs) 02:34, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

New Name
What? Number39: Utopia? Is that confirmed? What was wrong with Hope? Hope isn't religious or anything, in fact Utopia sounds more religious than Hope, so why change it? It was a good name! What are the guys at Konami America thinking? This doesn't affect me as much thou, since I already have the Japanese card and will probably still call it Hope since that's what's written on it, but I still think it's weird. A Wikia contirutor (talk • contribs) 20:26, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * We know that Hope is not that evil... or just related to "Bible", where the woman accidentally open the box, leave with a "hope". Either that or Konami took too much tobacco... -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  20:34, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pandora's box has nothing to do with the Bible; the former is a Greek myth. ;) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 21:10, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * You just hit the bell, but still it sound like religious to me. Like I said first time here - Either that theory or Konami just took too much tobacco up their lungs. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:12, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Y'know, I just typed "hope" into the search bar and got, like, 8 different cards that aren't the Aspiring Emperor, so I don't know why they changed it. Fred's smoked up idea is starting to sound more and more likely. And I don't think it's a religious reason either, since Number 17: Leviath Dragon is named after the Leviathan, which is all revelations and rapture and stuff. Also, I hate that name too. Revise sounds more awesome, but again, I have the JP card, so I don't care so much since I won't be looking for an English copy. A Wikia contirutor (talk • contribs) 21:31, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Just go living in Japan and be happy there then. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  21:33, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't need to be a jerk. I buy japanese cards because they come out faster than English cards do and I'm impatient. It's my choice, and if what I said annoys you, then I'm sorry, but say it nicely. A Wikia contirutor (talk • contribs) 22:09, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not your fault, some user just try to control the site in his way he want. For here, I only try to be sure that it's reference to the relate of myth story or religious. And I understand that it's hard to accept the name change, I disliked how yadda they made on E-Hero's names, from Featherman to Avian, and Burst Lady into Burstinatrixlalalala... I respect your choice of words. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:11, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, it's not nearly as bad as the alleged U.S. name for the variety of the monsters. I mean...Xyz Monsters?  They're calling them Xyz Monsters?  They had the B**** to change Exceed Monsters to XYZ MONSTERS!?!?  NO!!!  NOOOO!!!!! Does not compute!!  DOES NOT COMPUTE!!!! QuartrGuy (talk • contribs) 03:11, May 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's EKUSHIIZU in Japan. From that, I think we can safely assume Xyz is being read as "Eksyez" - ekusyiezu in Japan, which sounds VERY similar to Ekushiizu. So it is possible that since the beginning they meant "Xyz" instead of Exceed. You can say it like "Excess" (yes, that would means someone much earlier who translates it as "Excess" was actually correct) and it would make sense, since stacking the cards technically creates an excess of amount of cards on the field. Besides, isn't "Exceed" would be "Ekushiido" in Japan, not "Ekushiizu"?118.96.11.119 (talk) 09:33, May 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * When I heard "Utopia" for the first time i hoped it's just bad joke. Leviath Dragon maybe but THIS? And XYZ? What were they smoking when they invented these awesome new names?


 * Well, be happy that they don't put a nasty and strange name than that names. And be sure to sign your four tildes at end of your comments once you publish. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  13:27, May 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Aspiring Emporer Hope was one of the best names they've come up with for an Xyz yet. Then they change it to Utopia. Now that really sounds religious. Kilimow (talk • contribs) 00:50, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Or new theory; or rather ancient theory as it affected the previous cards' results - That they don't want the length of card's name too long to fitting in the card's name border. Like for silly reason on "Red-Eyes Black Dragon", it "Black" word was changing into abbr.; "B.". So for this theory, since of "No." have changed into "Number", therefore made Konami think that it's better to reduced from it japan name into current English Name we have seen right now. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  14:21, May 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Going with that theory then why didn't they just made it Number 39: Hope? or Number 39: Emperor Hope? the former is even shorter then "utopia", I just feel like Konami USA just wants to ruin the great original names to some lousy dub name.LDEvolution 01:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC

Anime effect
can we be sure that its last effect about destroying itself is true? In Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Episode 008, Fuya uses D.D. Jet Iron to attack Hope who has no Xyz Materials, but doesn't destroys itself. Sure, Yuma activated D.D. Murder Method - Vector Change, but it's still selected as an attack target. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 01:54, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Translated Name
I've changed the name to "King", because "Ō" is more commonly used for kings in this wiki, and "Emperor" is usually pronounced "tei". Mad Rest 15:41, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Read the kanji. It's not 王, it's 皇, which is translated as "Lord" on the Sacred Beast cards. Same pronunciation, different meaning.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 02:00, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * On Tangorin, a very trusted translator, it translates it as Emperor. And don't trust previous translations, many of them are wrong. Actually, it translates them as Emperor on the Sacred Beasts as well; don't use the TCG name, look at the translated one. Mad Rest 11:37, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Utopia's Japanese name
Why was it changed? The past translation was accurate. 希望 means "aspiration", but can also be a verb (hence 'aspiring'), and 皇 means "emperor", despite the "Ou" reading (which is how "king" is usually pronounced). Yes, the Japanese language is confusing but in some naming, it's not so hard. I'll be changing it back now. MarxMayhem (talk • contribs) 01:56, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * The user who changed it listed his rationale in his edit summaries and at his talk page. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:03, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * 希望 is most definitely not a verb. It is a noun. You're looking for 望む, which means "to hope (for)." Yes, the Japanese language frequently leaves room for interpretation, but the clearest literal translation of 希望皇 is "Lord of Hope." He is "Hope, Lord of Hope," so yes, Konami did the right thing calling him "Utopia" in the U.S.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 02:05, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree, but why was it translated to Lord? On a very accurate translator, it says that Ou, in this case, means Emperor, Imperial. If anyone doesn't mind, I'd like to change it back to emperor and also instead of Hope use Aspiration since it seems repetitive. Mad Rest 11:34, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Similar to "Sensei" word - it also meant for Doctor, Teacher, or ever adult version. That word is not only one with multiple meanings. Let's say about "Baka" that I frequent used; but it don't mean as an idiot. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  11:38, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, but there are many translated card names on this wiki that translate 皇 as Emperor, and not Lord, so it would make sense for this card to correspond with the others. Mad Rest 11:57, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, Madrest has a point. I was withdrawing myself from replying yesterday, but what I wanted to say is that "Kibō'ō Hōpu", like many others, is a title, a name, and as such, we shouldn't translate it as is. (Japan has a form of poetry as short as 4 kanji, but translates to a full sentence).


 * Also, the aim of the translation is to translate, and for us is to make it as close to the source as possible while making it sound right to the foreign ears (Something "Hope, Aspiring Emperor" already accomplished). MarxMayhem (talk • contribs) 13:53, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll concede that "Lord" is purely for consistency with the TCG. The rest of it stands, though. Also, you're confusing translation with localization. I know I usually call bull on people who insist on literal accuracy over euphony in translation, but the point here is to get the original Japanese name right, not make it sound good; making it sound good is Konami's job, and surprisingly, they've gotten much better at it in recent years.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 15:52, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, what would fit more as a translation: Hope Emperor - Hope, Aspiration Emperor - Hope or Emperor of Aspiration - Hope? I vote for the latter. Mad Rest 16:21, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * But you tried and went for localization when you placed "Lord" over "Emperor" there, Ryusui. Regardless, since most names that are accompanied by titles were ", ", I'd pick "Hope, Emperor of Aspiration", though I still support my initial suggestion. MarxMayhem (talk • contribs) 03:47, September 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Call him Emperor, Lord, whichever you like. But to translate 希望 as anything fancy would be to misrepresent the card name entirely. People are arguing against "Utopia" not because it's not the original name for the card, but because it's not the (demonstrably wrong) fan translated name for the card. It's one of my sticking points with the fanbase. Elegant Egotist was never Thousand Prism Mirrors; Pandemonium was never Lair of the Ten Thousand Demon Lords; etc.. One (intentionally!) erroneous source was responsible for a lot of headaches when people railed against Konami "butchering" names even though the purported "originals" were in fact nonsense - and sometimes, the official card name matched the real original name better. Utopia's a name change, but considering the only indisputable noun in his original Japanese name is the katakana ホープ ("Hope"), they were well within their rights to change it to something that didn't sound like a whiny boomerang-wielding tween from Final Fantasy XIII (note: I love the game, FYI, and the kid's not so bad after he finally gets over his ragecrush). What's Utopia but a hope for a better future, hmm?--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 11:09, September 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Come to think of it, no, you can't call him "Emperor." That'd be the Monarchs; Mobius the Frost Monarch, for instance, is 氷帝メビウス, or "Ice Emperor Möbius." "Lord" is pretty much the only thing you can translate it as without redundancy with an established card or archetype.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 03:36, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Monarchs aren't an archetype though, so it wouldn't create support card confusion. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:14, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, their "Emperor" are different. Hope's Emperor is Ou, while Monarch's Emperor is Tei. Even the Kanji is different.118.96.11.119 (talk) 11:00, September 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, there's a surprise. Check out the new card "ZW - Unicorn Spear." Both parts of the name are written in katakana, so there's no debate on how they're intended to be read, but "Unicorn King Spear" is also written in kanji, and the kanji happen to be 一角獣皇槍. So yeah, apparently, they've given their blessing to translating 皇 as "king."--69.111.194.152 (talk) 18:33, September 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * To stop you there, yes, it's true that they put King there BUT that card has two names: A Japanese one written in Kanji, and an English written in Katakana. You could say that we can use that as a translation for that one card, but the case of Utopia's Japanase name is different, as it did not get the same treatment as Unicorn King Spear (it was the first, if I recall correctly), so I don't we can't simply bend to that just because one card did it, and in the fashion it did. It'll be more like localization that way. Besides, we used "Emperor" because that's what the Kanji of this (Utopia) card says, and introducing that card will only enter in more confusion when there's no need to. MarxMayhem (talk • contribs) 13:30, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

XYZ Summoning Monsters
Can anyone help me? I got confused of the XYZ summoning of this and other cards. My question is, can xyz materials be more than the ones written on the cards? Like this card No. 39 Utopia says that you use 2 level 4 monsters to XYZ summon this card. But by the looks of the effect. Can anyone tell me?
 * Um, it's pretty straight forward, only, and i mean only, have 2 Level 4 monster to Xyz Summon this monster. Also, what do you mean that "it seems it can be more than just 2 level 4 monsters"; once you used up all your Xyz Materials, you're done. --70.79.73.202 (talk) 02:59, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I mean like the anime they use like 4 level 4 monsters to summon him several times.--69.150.73.53 (talk) 02:26, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you're just mess that with "Number C39: Utopia Ray"? He's the one can suck up Original Utopia and other 2 remains Xyz's. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  02:28, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

No I saw it several times while watching de subtitle anime. I think that cant be possible. But a friend used 4 on a duel --70.243.167.148 (talk) 00:09, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Which episode did you saw that happened? And your buddy can't do it - it's exceed the original numbers of Material required. -- F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:14, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Idont remember on what episode. I see, so he cheat on me. Ha! As soon as I play my playable version of slyfer against him, he is gonna be sorry about that XD jajajaja. Thanks buddy.

Meaning of Number?
Has anyone managed to figure out what the significance of Utopia's Number is yet? I still cannot figure out why "39" is significant here.


 * I also don't know, but an interesting thing to note is that if you read 39 separately in Japanese you read "san kyuu". "Sankyu" is the Japanese pronunciation for "Thank you". Maybe this has something to do with Yuma's gratitude to Astral or something like that :|. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 18:36, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Question about when it destroys itself
I am wandering about one particular part of Utopia's effect. If it's attacked while it has no XYZ materials, it simply says "Destroy this card." Would battle damage still occur? Or does a replay occur? Pikidalto (talk • contribs) 03:02, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Translation, quintuple redux
This post of Kevin Tewart from Pojo indicates that a translation for the Japanese name would be "No. 39 Hope, King of Wishes". The rest of his reasoning for the name change aside, this is as official a stance on what the right translation is that we could ever get. Therefore, I propose we change it to that name on here. I was going to just change it and link, but I knew that would cause issues. So, does anyone have an reasonable arguments for why we shouldn't do this? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:42, August 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree. What I gather from online dictionaries and what-not, can mean "hope", "aspiration" and "wish" and  can mean "king" and "emperor". The occupations "aspiration emperor" and "king of wishes" sound very alike, if not the same thing. If someone created a fictional being that somehow rules people's desires, it seems more likely to me that they'd come up with a name more along the lines of "King of Wishes" than "Aspiration Emperor". Of course, Konami considering it to be the translation is a more powerful argument. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:48, August 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * We have to remember who gave us this translation, though. Keep it as it is now (this new translation), but put the old "Aspiration Emperor" as an alternate. --DARK 02:01, August 31, 2012 (UTC)