Talk:Signer Dragon

Earth Attribute on the Fifth Dragon
That's only conjecture, could whoever the person who's changing it is, please stop. Burnpsy 18:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Red Dragon quote
In Jack's quote, why "Red Dragon Archfiend" is writen and not "Red Daemon's Dragon"? It's supposed to be translated from Japanese with the Japanese ORIGINAL NAMES. Diehard Guy 14:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you mean in the sub translations or the site? Either way this wikia is for the English TCG; so of course the card names and "english" translations would equal that of the TCG/DUB.KiraxFreedom 09:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You misunderstood me. If they are translated, so they are soppuse to use Japanese names. Diehard Guy 19:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Apparently, the word "Daemon" or "Demon" is too harsh for English audiences. 76.233.103.25 03:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Every cool name is too harsh for English audiences :( Diehard Guy 05:43, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Daemon's definition in the dictionary does translate, however, to " a god or deity" Take Flight My Very Own Soul! Star Daemon Dragon! 19:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Summoning Chants
Since Summoning Chants aren't exclusive to these Dragons, seeing as Yusei has receited them for his other Synchro Monsters, should they really be noted on this page? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we should make a new page for that OR making another section in this page. Also, we can put it in it's owner's/appearance page. Diehard Guy

Last Dragon's Attribute
It can be also a WATER dragon. Those things happens, for example: Black Rose Dragon sounds like an EARTH monster but it is FIRE. Diehard Guy 12:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It does seem more likely to be EARTH than WATER. But yeah, I agree we shouldn't mention that it appears to be EARTH. It's too speculationy. And we don't know for sure that they'll all have different Attributes. (If we want to be really strict about it, we don't know that the guy in the ending is the fifth) -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Power Tool Dragon
According to Janime it looks like this is the last dragon. Thus it appears I don't know though, that there stating it due to the pic shown at the very beginning from the ending song. Thus as all recall that scene been where the Five Dragon cards are shown along with Power Tool Dragon card.


 * Look at it's type. It has "Dragon" ONLY IN IT'S NAME. It's a machine. Also, it apears in the ending because Rua is an important character and Power Tool Dragon is his ace card. Diehard Guy 08:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You never know, there's a possibility that Rua is a Signer. Till it is revealed, it's safe to assume that Power Tool Dragon is one of the Five Dragons as no other hinters have been revealed about the last Signer. If Ruka is a Signer, why can Rua not be one? Besides if it turns out he isn't, then I would guess that one of the Dark Signers turn good.KiraxFreedom 09:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I looked at the pic that I uploaded (Five Dragon's pic) and I saw that PTD is too different from the last dragon. I took the pic from the ed (It's not made-up) Diehard Guy 10:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean it's safe to print a guess as fact because it hasn't been proven wrong? If that's the case, why not make a prediction for the series end and leave that go as fact, until we know for sure? Besides it's more likely the unknown guy in this image is the last Dragon. (although "Power Tool Dragon" does look ike a mechanical version of him.) And there's still people who think Goodwin or Crow is the fifth Signer. We're not mentioning what the fifth dragon or who the fifth Signer until we're told. We get enough people calling this site unreliable as it is. -- Deltaneos (talk) 10:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No! I ment that we should not write PTD as a dragon untill it will be 100% right! Diehard Guy 11:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. My last message was directed at KiraxFreedom. I started typing it before you'd posted your pevious comment. (That's why I used the same number of colons : as yours. To show it was a sub comment of Kira's message, but not yours.) -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Rua is most certainly not a Signer, otherwise Akutsu would've gotten a reading from him during the duel with Bommer. KazilDarkeye 12:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The same goes to Rex Godwin. Diehard Guy 12:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't use that as proof, since being a Signer isn't enough to trigger the D-Sensor. They have to be in contact with their Dragon, while fighting with a great deal of determination. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Well so gonna have to wait to confirmation, however this might interesting what I saw on Yugioh Shriek website. Apparently the next booster following after Crimson Crisis will be called Raging Battle and this new Synchro Dragon will be the cover card.


 * Maybe you should write "Synchro Machine that has Dragon in it's name" instead of "Synchro Dragon". It's a machine. Check it by yourself here. Go also to random dragon and check it's type. It's not says: ドラゴン And I know why people are getting confused. It's because it's name and it's appearance in the op/ed. Diehard Guy 16:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * K, still as a final statement lets see if this the last Dragon then. User:DracoX

idk but I beleive that PTD is special in some way: It looks similar to the 5th dragon ( it even has a mechanical sting and the real real has a real sting[btw, the 5th dragon looks very insect-like]), and the way that PTD was staring at Rua in oe of the past episodes make me think that it is alive.

Is it possible to put an edit lock on the trivia section of Power Tool Dragon, since people keep updating it as the mechanized version of the 5th Dragon, when there's no confirmation of this? Kojikatsuya 17:55, 12 January 2009 (UTC)Kojikatsuya

Seriously
Just by looking at the picture on Mark of the Dragon you can tell that Lua isn't the fifth signer because the head arm is too big for him (Yusei's arm as the right skin tone, Jack's and Akiza's you need to take on a small dose of faith and Luca's is tiny since she's just a kid and left arm with the head is normal sized) PTD may look similar and there probably is a reason for that Blackstone Dresden 04:31, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Still just because of that doesn't mean anything neither. Look at Luna even if she's just a little girl. She bears the Claw that adjusts to her arm which obsviuosly will grow into just like Akiza's. If there's the possibility that he's given the Dragon head then it will adjust to his arm and be still a small shaped dragon head. DracoX 06:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What I'm saying is that the owner of the head birthmark is currently around Yusei's height or else the arm would be the same length as Luca's Blackstone Dresden 23:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The Fifth Dragon
I was browsing and noticed no one has noticed the same thing I have.

Wouldn't you agree the fifth dragon looks insectoid in nature? If it was to be insect based, it would most likely be EARTH-Attribute.. And we do know of one insect duelist in 5D's, but I doubt he'd be the signer.

Also notice that the Dark Signer's symbol is a spider, arguably an insect. A connection there, perhaps? (User:Yestermorrow)


 * I really don't think that Uryu is a Signer,nor do I think that Goodwin is a Signer either. Nidzajojo


 * Spiders are NOT insects. By the way, BRD is FIRE althrough it sounds like and look like EARTH. So don't bet that it is EARTH - It may be WATER. Also we are not sure that all the five dragons have different attribute so it can be WIND/DARK/LIGHT or others. Diehard Guy 09:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, in Yu-Gi-Oh at least, Spiders do count as insect cards (Hunter Spider, Jurai Gumo) KazilDarkeye 19:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 0.0 It's kind of sad that the writers/Konami never learned biology. Diehard Guy 19:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

With todays episode now we got a better look at the final dragon. And also with it looks nothing like PTD. User:DracoX


 * -.- actually, it does. The head looks almost exactly the same, and it has armor-like things on its hands, like PTD. so HA! TeardropStar 09:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Could the last Signer dragon name, be "Power Absolute Dragon"? User:DracoX
 * It could be it, but I prefer "Absolute Power Dragon". And it can be "Gold Scale Dragon" Diehard Guy 15:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well the first one would be good but the second name not that original.

It does look really insecty (is this even a word ^_^). Has anyone else noticed insects getting tiny (normally around 2 - 4 cards) ammounts of support in recent sets Pinkyboy 19:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a theory: I was thinking that maybe Kiryu is the fifth Signer. He played a Fiend deck before he was arrested, and the fifth Signer Dragon looks pretty Fiendish to me. They said that Goodwin has the fifth Signer's severed arm is his possesion, so maybe Kiryu lost his arm in prison. And when he was executed, survived and became a Dark Signer, maybe his Dark Mark is blocking out the power of his Mark of the Dragon?

Of course, this is just speculation. It was just a theory. . . Rogueduelist89 00:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

still not good because it wouldnt make sense that only 4 Signers against 5 dark signers its has to be equal. And they say that soon the last signer will be revealed but who knows if thats true. Still lets see more episodes to see or more exactly episode 42 to find out. DracoX 03:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Last Dragon's Level?

 * I just noticed something....
 * BRD's and AFD's level are 7 and their owners are female.
 * PTD's level is 7 and his owner have a femanine appearance.
 * RDD's and SdD's level are 8 and their owners are male.

Sense the arm is pretty male-ish, could it be that the last Dragon's level is 8? Diehard Guy 13:19, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually since the 5th Dragon is the "Head" Dragon, wouldn't it make sense that he/it would be level 9 to "outrank" the other four? Blackstone Dresden 21:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The fifth dragon is no longer the head dragon. Yusei has the head while the (newly appointed/deus ex machina) fifth signer, Crow, received the tail.  This could mean the fifth dragon is level 6 instead of 9.  In a way, that is somewhat ironic. MezzoDragon 12:04, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

well the guy u talket about is a dark signer. you can watch it in japan and its 2 eposodes away from next seson. eny qwestions aim me at.......rainthunderovame.....

Signer Speeches
Akiza,Yusei,And Jack Have Speeches For Summoning Thier Dragon, So In Episode #36 Leo Would Have Said Somthing. Luna Only Hasn't Said Something Because She's Never Actually Summoned Ancient Fairy Dragon

Actually, Rua does have a Synchro Summon speech:
 * Romaji: Sekai no heiwa o mamoru tame, yuuki to chikara o dokkingu! Shinkuro Shoukan! Ai to seigi no shisha, Pawā Tsūru Doragon!
 * Translation: Docking strength with courage to protect world peace! Synchro Summon! Envoy of love and justice, Power Tool Dragon!

Blackwing
Since Crow became the last signer, and he uses a blackwing deck, maybe the fifth dragon is a dragon-based blackwing card.--33royward 15:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just check out those black wings and feathers it has. Clearly it is a Blackwing card. 70.138.173.160

If you consider that Blackwings tend to swarm, having the fifth dragon with Crow may not be such a bad idea. Aside from giving Crow a reason for be seen more. MezzoDragon 12:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It would probably be a stat altering dragon. Yusei's Dragon is defensive, like his deck; Jack's is destructive, like his aggressive play style; Luna's relies on field spells, like her deck; Akiza's focuses on manipulating battle position, so I would think that the 5th Dragon would have a stat changing effect. Messengerofthedark 16:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark


 * Maybe a combo of stat changing and swarming? Weaken the opponent's monster and/or strengthen itself then Special Summon a monster (maybe make a more powerful effect than that since the 66+ episode wait is gonna seem anticlimactic if the card isn't at least slightly broken) --Blackstone Dresden 07:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * i agree, since the black Feather series (i REFUSE to use the 4CRAP dub names), is swarm and stat changing based, it would make perfectly good sense that bfd when its revealed to be the fifth dragon that it enhances/aids the swarming or stat changing power that the black feathers have.--Hairball420 15:20, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

removing crow s name from the list
i say its anoying to remove crow s name from the list by Sartorias 17:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you mean you find it annoying that it keeps getting removed, rather than kepy, or it's annoying having to remove it so many times? -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * i meant by that its annoying that you have to remove it so many times Sartorias 18:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

what is wrong with having that Important Note at the bottom of the Signer section?~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 03:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think we need it. If it's only there to tell editors not to add him, it should be avoided, because we shouldn't self-reference in the main part of the article. If it's there as part of the article itself, it's just listing things we don't know. I've never been fond of people adding that something is unknown in articles. It all seems kinda redundant. Is saying "It's unknown what connection Crow will have the fifth Dragon" much different than saying "It is unknown how the series will end", "It's unknown if Yanagi will appear in this season" or putting "It's unknown what will do next" at the end of every character biography"? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * maybe we should stop talking about Crow not being the new owner of the Fifth Dragon and just accept it. -- SebastiaanZ (talk)


 * Except it is unknown IF Crow will be the owner of the 5th dragon or not~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 19:45, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Will they stop removing Crow's name even if doesnt have the last dragon right now doesnt mean he will obtain later, who knows what means or reasons. We do know that each dragon has sort of connection or use to the person who posseses it. Also we can recall that with Jack and Akiza they were Signers lomg before acquiring their respective dragons. Even though the title of fifth signer has change 3 times surely the writers will find a way to connect Crow somehow with the last one. DracoX 23:48, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It doesn't really matter if it's likely that Crow will possess the Fifth Dragon. The fact is, to date, he does not currently have it, and speculation that he will later have it is simply, well, speculation. This wikia is supposed to contain only factual information, not theories or "things that are likely". Until Crow somehow acquires the Fifth Dragon, you can't assume that that's simply going to happen, especially considering the odd scarcity of the mention of the Fifth Dragon in the anime itself (can you say plot twist?). His name can't go on that page until it's proven to be true in the anime. -ShadowDude 03:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Is there some way to stop everyone in general from editing the page?
The amount or reverts between Crow and "?" is annoying, and nobody seems to care about the notes that the people who revert leave behind.

There should be some way to make everyone stop, I know stuff like that exist on other wikis. Burnpsy 22:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes there is a way, and i think only Admin can set it~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 22:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It was protected from unregistered/new users for 2 weeks a while back. It's set for a month now. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Way the Box with the dragons/signers is laid out..the edit i made is CORRECT! and FACTUAL! if you want the constant changes to stop then change the way the box is laid out

''Currently no Signer has been shown to use the fifth Dragon, which has not yet appeared as a card in the anime. '' it says so on the page even, it hasent been seen used in anime HelioTrice 21:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * like i said before change the way the box is laid out then!Hairball420 21:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter, because it is currently unknown as to IF/WHEN Crow May or May Not get the 5th Dragon~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 23:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I have a very good theroy. lets say power tool dragon is the fifth dragon. LETS SAY HE DIED mabye e.g. goodwin or Mr fudo tryed to rebuild 'the dragon' ,with metal and traped him in a card, to fight the dark signers??

Could it be?
I don't agree with the comment before. Crow's the Fifth Signer right? The set; The Shining Darkness, contains Crow's new dragon. It's a no-brainer! This, IS the Cover Card of The Shining Darkness! --AARONmeister 15:56, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I very heavily doubt it. Look at PTD, same situation. Crow's new Dragon may just be Winged Beast-type, like PTD is Machine. Also, Crow would be the only Signer to have an entire archetype based on their Dragon. None of the Signers have that. That would also mean that the BF fought with the Signers, which is not the case. Just because Crow has a Mark, doesn't mean he has the 5th Dragon, look at Rex and Roman. *Edit: PTD was also a cover card.*DemonGodAsura 22:21, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * I am against jumping the gun and saying that's the fifth Dragon before we're told that it is. But just pointing out "Black Feather Dragon" is not a "Blackwing" ( ＢＦ(ブラックフェザー), Black Feather) monster. Its Japanese name is spelled "マシンナーズ・フォートレス", which doesn't contain " ＢＦ(ブラックフェザー) ". -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:35, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't think the fifth dragon is a Black Feather/Wing monster. All five dragons can't be part of an archatype, Red Archfiend and Black Rose are kind of but don't go beyond the names.  --Azure Knight-Zeo 02:33, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Black Rose is a Dragon that supports Plants, so it wouldn't be out of the question for a Winged-Beast supporting Dragon.

Clean-up Please
I don't know how or who but it seems that this page is messed up. Apperently the Assult Modes, Saviors/Majestics, and Archatype box are in the list of the dragons. Can someone please fix this, I don't know how to. If someone fixed it in the time it took me to post this, I'm sorry.--Azure Knight-Zeo 02:33, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Tried to fix and edit it back, but an anonymous user mess up the page. Insisting in putting Black Feather Dragon as the Fifth dragon. DracoX 02:38, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

power tool
why isn't power tool dragon included in the archtype template (the related part). power tool dragon IS related to the five dragons, not because it looks like the 5th dragon, but it is always shown with the other 4 in the anime (opening, ending, card of the day in ep 42 etc) although it is NOT the 5th dragon. -Lpoi 08:42, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

PTD is shown with the other 4 dragons in the opening and endings because it is the main or signature card of Rua/Leo. PTD is put with the other main character's Signature Cards in the openings and endings.

To the editors and theorists:
Hey, ummm, if watch the dubbed version of the anime...watch the Japanese anime before you make any theories, because I can already tell most of you that your theories have already been disproven. The following may contain spoilers for you new viewers and dubbed viewers, which, by the way is a good reason for everyone to stop making up theories and doing edits based on the dubbed version...BECAUSE THE DUBBED VERSION IS A GOOD 28 EPISODES BEHIND AT LEAST, AND THAT'S IN THE U.K., THE U.S. IS 33 EPISODES BEHIND. Also, Crow is the current "fifth signer", the others were Rex Goodwin before Crow and Roman Goodwin before Rex. That, by wikia's definition, doesn't really make Crow the fifth signer, just the current one fifth signer. Also, Crow does not carry the fifth dragon, which is why he is not listed on this article. Once he does, unless there is a debate, he probably will be listed. PTD, though usually associated with the 5D's, is not one from what we know. If it turns out he is, we'll add him. If they ever explain what happened to the real 5th D, and if it is related to PTD, then we may include him in the template. But as it stands now, Crow does not have the 5th D from what we know, the 5th D is not PTD from what we know, and most importantly, BLACK FEATHERED DRAGON IS NOT THE 5TH D FROM WHAT WE KNOW, BECAUSE WE NO NOTHING ABOUT IT AS OF NOW EXCEPT THE PACK IT'S IN. We don't even know if it's Crow's, it more than likely is but we are not sure. Thanks for your time and goodness help you all. Dmaster (Talk • Contribs • Count) 22:59, October 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire 20:29, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

well on the page for shining darkness it says bfd is crows new trump card....so that to me and everyone else says....FIFTH DRAGON AT LAST!!!! so someone change the damn box alreadyHairball420 23:41, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's what you should do: Go onto the internet and find some [i]official[/i] source that says something along the lines of Black Feather Dragon=Fifth Dragon. THEN we'll add it in there. Until then, no. --Blackstone Dresden 23:49, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Blackfeather Dragon
i mean come on the page for shining darkness calls bfd crows new trump card.....its common sense that thats the fifth dragon i dont give a crap about speculation...ill tell ya what tho....when it IS revealed that bfd IS the fifth dragon...imma go to each n every single one of u that claime speculation and say HAH I Frecking (abridged Marik) TOLD U SO...that is all--Hairball420 14:38, November 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * This is for discussing the article, not a place to post your own theories. I've cut out the entire section on AFD, PTD and the Earthbound Gods (along with other irrelevent theories people have posted). If the talk isn't relevant to changes we'll be making to the article, it shouldn't be posted. You're "Blackfeather Dragon" discussion is legitimate since you're saying we should change the page to what you're talking about their.
 * I don't see how it saying it's Crow's new trump card is an implication that it's a Signer Dragon. Since he doesn't yet have the Fifth Dragon, it's possible for him to have a trump card that's not a Signer Dragon. If it was meant to be obvious and they want us to know (not think) it's the fifth Dragon, they would have said it. You said they did a good job making people think PTD was the fifth Dragon. It's very possible they could do the same with Blackfeather Dragon. If it does turn out that Blackfeather Dragon is the fifth Dragon, I'd still stand by the decision to have not said it was without confirmation. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:07, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * How is a theory not discussing the article, since it is about one of the dragons? and i stand by what i said...when blackfeather dragon is shown to be the fith dragon, ill tell u and everyone else i told u so...and if im wrong ill gladly admit it...and i take offense to u calling my theory irrelevant when it was since its about the fith dragon!--Hairball420 15:14, November 13, 2009 (UTC)