Talk:Judgment of the Light

Jumped the gun
I may have jumped the gun in creating this; see and the following two posts. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 08:19, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * There isn't anything after I opened the link.. It says the post is not available.. Themaster1915 (talk • contribs) 12:31, January 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Seems the topic was deleted between me posting that and you replying. I'm lazy, though; I'm not gonna delete this page and remove the references until tomorrow or so (unless someone else wants to instead), and hope in the meantime that it'll get confirmed by actual info. =3 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 12:50, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

İt's Judgment of Light, source here: http://neoarkcradle.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2409 --Clock God (talk • contribs) 13:52, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Any chance you can screencap that thread for those of us without a NAC login? Shamus (talk • contribs) 12:14, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * http://i48.tinypic.com/30vdkow.png
 * -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:17, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Bah, you beat me to it. =) 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 12:22, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, I totally yoinked your skin choice - I didn't even know there were themes other than the default installed on NAC, and it never occured to me to look since I usually don't bother with that stuff. =D 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 12:27, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think that was the default one at the time I registered, I'm pretty sure I never changed it (but I still would have chosen it anyway). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:39, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Numbers
Is there any confirm on there being Number card(s) in this set because the reveal info on both Neo Arcadia and Shriek doesn't list any specifics in terms of features Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 20:24, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Number 39 Hope ray victory?? no CHAOS number 39 hope ray victory? is there a source or is my Bullshit detector rightDreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 22:50, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Check the page history. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:00, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hope Ray V is not going to be in this set. Its going to be introduced through the Starter Deck 2013 in the boosters that come packaged with each Starter Deck as shown on http://shriek.twoday.net/stories/219048028/ - Axel Shiokawa (talk • contribs) 00:46, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I second'd with what Axel say, as of original version "Number 39: Utopia" was first released in the Starter Deck, so is this one. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  00:55, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's a press release from Konami; they're the ones saying JOTL will have "Hope Ray Victory":
 * "Rounding-out the summer will be an August introduction of another booster set, Judgment of the Light, This new 100-card set brings back Synchro Monsters that are stronger than ever! This set also introduces Number 39: Utopia Ray Victory and is offered at MSRP: $3.99 per pack."
 * 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:08, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * yeah, just saw that. that just made my friggin day. i hope that synchro part isnt just "some random stuff from 5d's Manga"DreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 05:21, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I saw that announcement too, but that cant be right when Hope Ray V has been confirmed as one of the cards in the Super Starter set alongside Limited Barian's Force, and ZW - Eagle Claw. Now if they are doing like they did with Pearl, I could understand, but I dont see them sticking a Starter Deck card in a booster pack to fill space when they already have plenty of promos left for OCG slots. Right now, I'd rather wait for the official announcment and ad campaign for the set to say that over a source that I dont think many people have heard of or actually treat as reliable. Especially with said source for the announcement being a local news affiliate with people that have little to no clue what they are actually talking about. - Axel Shiokawa (talk • contribs) 08:26, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * If you saw the announcement then you'll also now that they list at the top of the page that their source is a press release from Konami, as Dinoguy says in his previous post. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 15:42, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Again: it's a press release from Konami. It was written by Konami; the "local news affiliate" did nothing more than simply publish the press release they received from Konami. This is an official statement/announcement, regardless of whether what it states makes any particular amount of sense in light of other known product details. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:18, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well excuse me for questioning a release with incorrect information. I will just shut up and be lied to the next time its demanded of me. - Axel Shiokawa (talk • contribs) 22:07, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's not about "shut[ting] up and be[ing] lied to", it's about us having no choice but to take official sources at their word, until they are obviated by newer official sources. We're not Konami, and, nice as it'd be, we don't have anyone that works in Konami and can (/always will) confirm and correct these things as soon as they appear.
 * That being said, there is "semi-official" (no, I don't really know what that's supposed to mean, either) confirmation that "No. 39: Utopia Ray Victory" and "CNo. 39: Utopia Ray V" are actually different monsters, and the Organization (principally Ark and Atem, who are the only two members to have really commented on it) is treating this as all being correct. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:21, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hope Ray V is a CNo. All of the Rank Up based Exceeds/XYZ (whatever term you prefer) have all been Chaos XYZ or Chaos Numbers. I find it incredibly hard to believe that a card that has been already announced to be in Starter Deck 2013, aka Super Starter. Especially when its part of the main selling point of the product in the first place. Considering that there is clearly conflicting information from differing sources, one that has been notably trustworthy (Shriek), I would have thought that caution would have been showed and nothing posted until it was actually verified that one of the main cards being pushed in the Starter Deck for the year was also being crammed into a set that is going to release afterwards. Then again, I'm used to ignored and overridden around here. It happens too often for me to be surprised any more. - Axel Shiokawa (talk • contribs) 22:31, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Either "Number 39: Chaos Utopia Ray Victory" or "Number C39: Utopia Ray Victory" would suit your taste, Axel. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:35, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Considering the name of the card is CNo 39: Hope Ray V and a direct from Konami announcement says its in the 2013 Starter Deck as a mandatory pull from the packs that come with the deck, I'd stick to the latter and wait for something that wasnt posted by the local CBS station to post anything in regards to JOTL on here. - Axel Shiokawa (talk • contribs) 22:41, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * What exactly is the problem? We don't know if its a separate card or not yet. When we find out, the article will be edited accordingly. If the source is official, we use it. That's all we can do. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:48, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Besides the fact there are sources that directly conflict with parts of that announcement, or outright unconfirmed things being posted? Nothing. I'm sure thats the answer that everyone wants to see. - Axel Shiokawa (talk • contribs) 22:51, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * @Cheesy, he just mad that this monster has no "Chaos" or "C-" in his name, hence it overlaying on other Xyz Monster. -- i  F  r  e  d  C  a  t  22:52, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

(arbitrary indent reset) If the sources conflict, we document the fact that they conflict. That's it. "Two conflicting sources" is not unconfirmed info. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:57, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * (e/c) The press release *is* direct from Konami. I already explained, Konami wrote the press release, and the website simply posted it as they received it. That's how press releases work, it's how press releases have always worked. Konami themselves have said that "CNo. 39: Utopia Ray V" will be in Starter Deck 2013, and they've said that "No. 39: Utopia Ray Victory" will be in JOTL. Furthermore, we have confirmation that these monsters are different from each other. No, this doesn't make any sense to anyone with half a brain, but this is all straight from Konami, so arguing that the information must be wrong is arguing that Konami has no effing idea what they're doing with their own merchandise (which itself could be true, but going down that route is just as bad as going down the "let's all second-guess official sources" path). You want to know what's really going on? Either try to wrangle more information out of a Konami rep (good luck with that one), or wait and see what future product announcements have to say, like the rest of us have to do. Until then, we have to use the information we have, and this is what the information we have says. 「 ディノ 奴 千？！ 」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:58, February 11, 2013 (UTC)